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diet and exercise. Welcome

2:04

to 40s and free agents where

2:06

we marry up the draft and

2:08

free agency and it's been quite

2:10

a week. I'm Greg Rosenthal. My

2:13

friend Daniel Jeremiah has been celebrating

2:15

his anniversary. I'm glad you got

2:17

that out of the way. DJ

2:19

because I don't want to hear

2:21

about Eisen or Bucki Brooks. This

2:23

is the only partnership that matters

2:25

to you now. Well, I'm I'm committed to

2:27

this partnership not committed enough to make that

2:29

two-hour drive after a vacation But I am

2:32

committed to it at least be a you

2:34

know this online video communication setup that we

2:36

have Yeah a lot has been going down

2:38

this week And we'll get into some of

2:41

the big free agency moves you you were

2:43

all over it last week with Gino leave

2:45

in Seattle, but before we kind of go

2:47

with with what we like the most I

2:50

thought we'd look at how the top of

2:52

the draft has been affected by free agency

2:54

and we could just go through the first

2:56

pick starting with Tennessee and I wonder

2:58

if you agree with me or not

3:00

the way they built up this offensive

3:02

line and then the quarterback that they sign

3:05

in free agency is Brandon Allen who's who's

3:07

a backup at best or a number three

3:09

type of pick does that make you think

3:12

they're looking a little more at Cam Ward

3:14

than maybe people thought a few weeks ago?

3:16

I think you can logically get to

3:18

that point when you look at what they've

3:20

done and they've, you know, brought in some

3:23

veteran offensive women now in terms of, you

3:25

know, how much better they're going to

3:27

be and where there's some overpays in

3:29

there. That's another conversation, you know, Greg,

3:31

with what they added, but. You know,

3:33

Kevin Zitler, I don't know that

3:35

that's, you know, a three-year move.

3:37

That's something for the next year

3:40

or two to help, you know,

3:42

you would think a young quarterback

3:44

to kind of get assimilate into

3:46

the league. Man, Dan Moore got

3:48

way more money than I ever

3:51

anticipated. He was going to get

3:53

coming out of Pittsburgh to be

3:55

their left tackle. So, they fortify,

3:57

you know, in their way of doing

3:59

it. around the league, there still is

4:02

an expectation that Tennessee's playing a

4:04

little more the long game here.

4:06

Don't rule out a quarterback there

4:08

at one, but also, I still think

4:10

they would be intrigued to at least listen

4:12

to what offers are out there with them

4:14

not sliding out of the top three. So

4:17

that would, I wouldn't rule that out just

4:19

yet. So that makes sense to me, but

4:21

how long of a game can you play

4:23

if you're Brian Callahan? They didn't win a

4:25

lot of games last year. You don't want

4:27

to go through. another year like that it

4:29

was really the quarterback signing when they could

4:31

have there's a lot of good backup real

4:33

bridge type quarterbacks available and they signed Brandon

4:35

Allen as their guy. I'm like, okay. Well,

4:37

I don't know that that was a destination

4:39

for a lot of folks. I mean, if

4:41

you look at the the free agents that

4:43

had a chance to be a starter and

4:45

to be a starter for several years or

4:48

even via the trade options that were available,

4:50

I don't know that that Sam Donald was

4:52

interested in going to Tennessee is what I'm

4:54

getting at. Okay, you pushed me off that

4:56

that take but I'm still gonna stay there.

4:58

All right, so the Browns and for ages

5:00

haven't really done a lot They got

5:03

that Miles Garrett deal done at just

5:05

huge money and otherwise they're Picking

5:07

around the edges they they can he pick it

5:09

baby. I mean I the worst take I saw

5:12

all week was that Kenny pick it

5:14

somehow says something about this draft class

5:16

and I'm thinking there's no they're out

5:18

on a quarterback now because they got

5:20

Kenny in the in the in the

5:23

fold they're good deal Come on. I

5:25

mean if Kenny Pickett is competing and

5:27

he believes he competes, he's competing, I

5:29

gotta think it's for a backup job

5:31

and Kirk Cousins could still shake loose

5:33

there as a potential quarterback. Do you

5:35

think they'll be looking quarterback early? Let's,

5:37

you know, who knows? They could trade

5:39

up from two to one. Yeah, well they also

5:41

just... you know, had Russell Wilson in their

5:43

building who they're at least intrigued by and

5:45

Kirk Cousins is still out there potentially down

5:48

the line for them to get. So there

5:50

are some other options there and I think

5:52

we talked about this on the last episode,

5:54

but I do know that the Browns have

5:56

done their homework not just on the top

5:58

of the quarterback class, but the entirety of

6:00

the quarterback class. So if they're not

6:02

in love. you know, with what's going

6:04

to be there for them, you know,

6:06

between the quarterbacks. Then, you know, maybe

6:08

they're sitting there saying, well, we'll take

6:10

we'll take some of these veteran options.

6:12

We have Kenny Pickett, maybe it's a

6:14

Russell Wilson, we'll get it, you know,

6:16

it gets you through the year guy.

6:18

We're going to kind of push that

6:20

long term need to next year, but

6:22

then we'll use this top pick to

6:24

get a big time impact player. the

6:26

second and say the fourth quarterbacks in

6:28

this draft class, then they just take

6:31

the premier player there at two or,

6:33

you know, sit and wait for that

6:35

quarterback option. It would be there on

6:37

day number two. Yeah, I go back

6:39

to what you said on your warm-up

6:41

podcast, move the sticks. I feel like

6:43

that was that was you in the

6:45

minor leagues and just getting ready for

6:47

this one. And you made the point

6:49

when Miles Garrett asked for that trade

6:51

that he might have been doing them

6:53

a favor because then the trade wouldn't

6:55

have been as unpopular. Yeah, there's no

6:57

blood on their hands. I thought it

6:59

was a reset moment. And this is

7:01

a, and again. We could go a

7:03

thousand different directions. This is what I

7:05

love about this show. And I heard

7:07

you talking about this the other day,

7:09

because I had a long flight home

7:11

and I did listen to you and

7:13

Meena kind of banny about a lot

7:15

of the free agency stuff, which is

7:17

a good pod, good episode. But there's

7:19

like some organizations who are, you know,

7:21

quote unquote, running it back versus maybe

7:23

taking an opportunity to reset and let's

7:25

just kind of maybe not tear it

7:27

down, but let's make some tweaks and

7:29

let's look a little bit more long

7:31

term. giving them a get out of

7:33

jail free card, you know, by requesting

7:35

a trade that they could have had

7:37

a hall and try and collect picks

7:39

for next year. But they decided to,

7:41

you know, not only to not do

7:43

that, they decided to extend them and

7:45

put them right at the very tippy

7:47

top of the market. So I don't

7:49

know. That makes Cleveland a little bit

7:51

tricky to figure out with the way

7:53

they're doing business right now and bringing

7:55

in these veteran quarterbacks is I think

7:57

they believe they're much closer than maybe

7:59

the team that's picking number two overall

8:01

should be. thinking? Well it also might

8:03

be something where what's best for the

8:05

organization doesn't match up with the needs

8:07

of who's trying to keep their jobs.

8:09

Andrew Barry and Kevin Stavancy coming off

8:11

that kind of year, they want to

8:13

win now so maybe thinking about the

8:15

deep future without Michael Miles Garrett, that's

8:17

not helping out your team at all

8:19

but... Man, they don't have those. Let's

8:21

get to the most interesting team. Let's

8:23

move on. Okay. I know. I'm just

8:25

saying like the most exciting thing you

8:28

did was Molly Collins. By the way,

8:30

I noticed that was me in a

8:32

Times podcast that you listened to. It

8:34

was not mine. NFL Daily. So that

8:36

that's sticking in my craw a little

8:38

bit. The Giants are the most interesting.

8:40

In free agency, they attack the secondary.

8:42

with Paulsen, a debo, and they, you

8:44

know, go at the safety. Right. It's

8:46

wrongs from the safety decision of not

8:48

too long ago. I thought Joe Shane

8:50

doesn't, he only spends on premium draft

8:52

positions. That's why they left Xavier McKinney

8:54

go. Now they're looking at Aaron Rogers.

8:56

They're looking at Russell Wilson. Are they

8:58

the team maybe most likely to trade

9:00

up for that quarterback? Yeah. To me,

9:02

that makes the most sense. But who

9:04

has the most urgency? And of those

9:06

teams up there in the top three,

9:08

who has the most urgency to go

9:10

get the top quarterback in the draft?

9:12

I think without question, it's the New

9:14

York Giants. So I was looking it

9:16

up, Greg, and historically to go up

9:18

to number one for a quarterback, there's

9:20

a premium and for the most part,

9:22

most of those trades require a 20%

9:24

overpay. I don't think you're going to

9:26

have to do that this year. I

9:28

don't. And so if we were to

9:30

just look at a 5 to 10%

9:32

overpay, which is still, you know, what

9:34

the price would be of doing business,

9:36

this is what a trade would look

9:38

like if the Giants were to try

9:40

and get all the way up to

9:42

number one. It would cost them a

9:44

third pick, obviously. It would cost them

9:46

there two this year, which is pick

9:48

number 34, and it would cost them

9:50

there two next year. So when you

9:52

look at those resources, I mean that's

9:54

not it's not cheap by any stretch,

9:56

but if if you're a giant and

9:58

you have a regime that needs to

10:00

win right now? Are you going to

10:02

really worry about a two this year

10:04

and a two next year? I just,

10:06

I think you'd be the most aggressive

10:08

of those teams wanting to get up

10:10

to number one. Yeah, it makes a

10:12

lot of sense to me and yeah,

10:14

I don't know if they're, they're just

10:16

hoping that Aaron Rogers sends out the

10:18

bat signal and he arrives there, adding

10:20

him and a rookie quarterback does not

10:23

make a lot of sense to me.

10:25

The Patriots don't have to worry about

10:27

that. quarterback in the entire league in

10:29

Drake May, I'd still take him over

10:31

Jade and Daniels. I don't care. And

10:33

I thought they would add some protection

10:35

for him and they signed Morgan Moses,

10:37

which if you listen to 40s and

10:39

free agents, that was one of the

10:41

names I threw out there, just a

10:43

guy to at least take one tackle

10:45

spot. But otherwise, they really didn't address

10:47

offense. It's all about the defense. I

10:49

think they tried, man. I think they

10:51

tried. I think they tried on Ronnie

10:53

Stanley and just came up short. They

10:55

tried on God when they threw him

10:57

literally gobs of money, much more than

10:59

he ended up getting where he stayed.

11:01

So they swung and they weren't able

11:03

to land. But I actually like what

11:05

they did from the standpoint of you've

11:07

got all this space, you know, you've

11:09

got tons of room. So if there's

11:11

not... You know, we're not going to

11:13

reach for the fourth, fifth tackle that

11:15

we're going to be looking to replace

11:17

a year from now. What's the point

11:19

of doing that? You're better off just

11:21

plugging some holes on the defensive side

11:23

of the ball with really good players,

11:25

which, you know, Harold Landry was a

11:27

little more expensive. That was really good

11:29

players, which, you know, Harold Landry was,

11:31

that was a little more expensive than

11:33

I thought, but, but you know, that

11:35

was a little more expensive than the

11:37

top. offensive lineman where they're picking if

11:39

Travis Hunter were to somehow be there

11:41

you take him and now you've give

11:43

Drake May a big-time weapon so I

11:45

think they're freed up I think in

11:47

free agency I give you credit because

11:49

the the Patriots had good job of

11:51

freeing themselves up for the offense. I

11:53

love what you said there that you

11:55

just are almost assuming if they take

11:57

Travis Hunter he would be a wide

11:59

receiver at least for that. You have

12:01

Carlton Davis and Kristen Gandales, that is

12:03

an identity on defense. I love the

12:05

Carlton Davis signing. It ended up being

12:07

basically the same that a demo got

12:09

and DJ Reed, they were all in

12:11

the same area. There was actually five

12:13

quarterbacks and maybe they're just picking off

12:15

my top 101, five of my top

12:17

six. They've all basically got the same

12:20

contract. Byron Murphy, Charverious Ward, a depot,

12:22

Carlton Davis, and he fits what they

12:24

want to do. I'm with you. I

12:26

liked Milton Williams. If you're going to

12:28

spend a lot of money. in free

12:30

agency, do it for a young defensive

12:32

lineman that can get better and better

12:34

and it frees them up. The jaguars,

12:36

they didn't go quite as aggressive as

12:38

they expected in free agency. They said

12:40

they have slots on their team that

12:42

they want to fill with draft picks.

12:44

And then finally, you look at the

12:46

raiders who end up getting Geno Smith

12:48

feels like that takes him out of

12:50

any cheddar Sanders market if he's available

12:52

there. Otherwise, they've been relatively... Quiet. Do

12:54

you think they're an Aston Gente team?

12:56

They could use another wide receiver. Who

12:58

knows? What do you think about the

13:00

Raiders, where they're at right now? Yeah,

13:02

I do agree with you. It sounds

13:04

weird to say you got a 34-year-old

13:06

quarterback in the building, so you're for

13:08

sure out of trying to find your

13:10

future quarterback. But when you just look

13:12

at Pete's age where he is, the

13:14

fact that they chose him as their

13:16

coach to go. It feels like they

13:18

want to try and get better right

13:20

now. So you've got Gino in place,

13:22

you've got a steady veteran quarterback. So

13:24

now you're freed up a little bit

13:26

in the draft. You look at some

13:28

of the other needs that they would

13:30

have, you know, just getting another weapon,

13:32

whether that's at running back or at

13:34

wide receiver, they need an explosive playmaker

13:36

to pair up with Bowers. And so

13:38

yeah, I think Ash and Gente comes

13:40

into play there. You look at the

13:42

wide receivers, that's a little and potentially

13:44

be a trade-down team. But yeah, I

13:46

think that does, you know, I think

13:48

that does pull them out of the

13:50

of the Shador Sanders market, which is

13:52

gonna make him one of the more

13:54

fascinating players because I think the, you

13:56

know, the Jets signing. and you know,

13:58

look at what they did with Fields,

14:00

I don't see, I think they're gonna

14:02

give him a little runway there. I

14:04

don't think they're gonna bring him to

14:06

the young quarterback. So it's interesting to

14:08

see where Shidor could go. I think

14:10

the Giants, if the Tennessee sticks and

14:12

picks, I could see the Giants being

14:14

in play for Shidor, but if he

14:17

gets past the Giants at three, then

14:19

it becomes really interesting. to the desert

14:21

with my son. We were going to

14:23

watch some tennis when the Geno Smith

14:25

thing happens. And my immediate reaction was

14:27

like, DJ's coming for these insiders. If

14:29

you listen to 40s and free agents,

14:31

you kind of, you had Geno on

14:33

the move. You have so much more

14:35

info than you let out there. DJ,

14:37

I want to bring that out of

14:39

you and I want rap sheet to

14:41

be mad at you by the end

14:43

of this podcast in nine weeks. You

14:45

know, it's my favorite though, is it's

14:47

not Ian, just like insiders as an

14:49

entire community. When somebody from outside the

14:51

club tries to like come in and,

14:53

oh man, if you're wrong, they will,

14:55

they will rally and they will, they

14:57

will punish you in a big, big

14:59

way. They get a little territory. They

15:01

dismiss you even if you're right. They

15:03

don't even want it if you're right.

15:05

Oh no, he doesn't, he doesn't know

15:07

anything. How could anyone else know anything?

15:09

No anything. As the president of the

15:11

Geno Smith fan club and as someone

15:13

who's a member of the Sam Arnold

15:15

fan club, I don't know that I'm

15:17

the president, but I'm probably on the

15:19

board of directors. This is what I

15:21

don't understand because I've heard a lot

15:23

of people, I've heard you say it,

15:25

I've heard a lot of people say

15:27

it, oh it's a step down, you

15:29

know Geno to Sam, I mean Geno's

15:31

first good year came as a 31

15:33

year old. That was the first time

15:35

he got an opportunity. What happened? He

15:37

bounced around. We always knew he had

15:39

ability. He was a first round talent.

15:41

You know, coming out first second round

15:43

talent who had all these tools, but

15:45

just needed to get in the right

15:47

situation. Now he's got the knowledge to

15:49

go. He still has. the ability there

15:51

and then at 31 he gets the

15:53

opportunity and goes with it and then

15:55

all of a sudden it's like Sam

15:57

does the same thing at what 2627

15:59

gets his you know first real supporting

16:01

cast and he takes off and it's

16:03

like well no that was a one-off

16:05

that'll never ever happen again I just

16:07

I think you're talking about Gino Smith

16:09

seven years younger that's what the that's

16:11

what the Seattle Seahawks did they're like

16:14

we can go with Gino at 34

16:16

and pay him this money or we

16:18

can take the same contract and give

16:20

it to Gino Jr who's seven years

16:22

younger Well, Gino didn't, you know, melt

16:24

under the brightest of lights and maybe

16:26

he's not as scheme dependent. I do

16:28

think he's shown more as like an

16:30

upper tier processor. He just throws such

16:32

a pretty ball. But I know Darnle

16:34

is very talented too. Since you're bringing

16:36

it up, that's a fair point. Darnle's

16:38

year as Gino's had. That's absolutely true.

16:40

He was in the perfect situation. Since

16:42

you're bringing up Seattle here. I just

16:44

didn't love how. By the way, by

16:46

the way, I love how the Vikings

16:48

supporting cast gets all the credit. But

16:50

then when they can't block anybody in

16:52

the game against the Rams, it's all

16:54

Sam's fault. But nonetheless, go ahead. Yeah,

16:56

and they attack the interior line. We'll

16:58

get to what the Vikings did. Which

17:00

is weird because they had a perfect

17:02

team. I don't know why they felt

17:04

the need to redo the offensive line,

17:06

because it was an all-star team. But

17:08

just when you watch the Vikings, when

17:10

you watch those geno- It's pretty. And

17:12

you're right, Donald could keep developing, and

17:14

maybe he's the better fit for that

17:16

system. But I just felt like John

17:18

Schneider's trying to have his cake and

17:20

eat it too. They didn't really want

17:22

Geno Smith back. And when he spoke

17:24

to the media to defend saying, hey,

17:26

we tried. We made an offer to

17:28

him, and we never heard back from

17:30

him. It's like... We know what you're

17:32

doing here and he kind of blamed

17:34

it on D.K. Mecca, hey, he didn't

17:36

want to be here. We want the

17:38

guys that were here. They wanted to

17:40

do a reset. I give him credit

17:42

because I think it was a bold

17:44

move and they're standing behind it. They

17:46

got to be absolutely right about it

17:48

while we're talking Seahawks. Let's talk about

17:50

another guy they brought in to Marcus

17:52

Lauren. So instead of spending on the

17:54

interior offensive line, another thing I didn't.

17:56

love from Schneider was he said, hey

17:58

we wanted to bring in Will Fry's

18:00

but we wanted him to take a

18:02

physical and another team just blew us

18:04

out of the water money wise so

18:06

that that's what happens in free agency

18:08

you can't get irresponsible and so they

18:11

didn't end up getting the interior alignment

18:13

that ends up going to Minnesota. In

18:15

the end they spend that money on

18:17

De Marcus Lawrence. Let's listen to Lawrence

18:19

in his first day in Seattle. You

18:21

know, Dallas is my home. I made

18:23

my home there. You know, my family

18:25

lives there. You know, I'm forever going

18:27

to be there, but, you know, I

18:29

know for sure I'm not going to

18:31

win a Super Bowl there. So, yeah.

18:33

Oh, man. And so, Lawrence throws that

18:35

out there. It didn't seem like he

18:37

had planned to say that. He just

18:39

said it because that was how he

18:41

was feeling. He's like, oh man, I

18:43

just said that. And then Michael Parsons

18:45

responds on Twitter. He says that this

18:47

is what rejection in envy looks like.

18:49

This is some clown stuff. And what

18:51

I liked even better is he left

18:53

this tweet up. And eventually, Lawrence responds

18:55

calling me a clown won't change the

18:57

fact that I told the truth. He's

18:59

standing ten toes on toes on this.

19:01

Maybe if you spent less time tweeting

19:03

tweeting winning. I wouldn't have left. I'm

19:05

actually taking some real takeaways from this

19:07

that all's not right there in the

19:09

in the Cowboys locker room like did

19:11

you take something from this DJ? It's

19:13

not great. Yeah, I mean even though

19:15

it's a former player. Yeah, and I

19:17

think there's been a lot of speculation

19:19

out there. I know from going out

19:21

there to training camp, there was a

19:23

lot of talk around mica Parsons, which

19:25

was, okay, hey, the deck deal's gonna

19:27

get done, the CD lamb deal will

19:29

get done. I don't know about mica.

19:31

I'm curious to see if they'll, you

19:33

know, if they'll, you know, make that.

19:35

long-term commitment there. So I think there's,

19:37

you know, there's always a little kernel

19:39

of truth in some of this stuff.

19:41

So I'm sure there was some frustration

19:43

and it's not just to Marcus Lawrence

19:45

on, hey, you know, was Michael, you

19:47

know, focus on all the right stuff

19:49

all the time? I mean, I think

19:51

that you could take that from that

19:53

by Michael Parce as a heck of

19:55

a player and there's not many people

19:57

on the planet. they can do all

19:59

the stuff he can do. So you

20:01

got to factor that in too. I've

20:03

said he's the best, just pure past

20:05

rush or that's coming to the league

20:08

I think since I've covered the league,

20:10

which is about. He reminded me. I

20:12

got a lot of flack because when

20:14

he was just starting to get to

20:16

play more on the edge and I

20:18

was like, man, if they committed to

20:20

let him play on the edge full

20:22

time, like he gives me Derek Thomas

20:24

vibes, like just watching him, Well, they're

20:26

going to have to pay them, and

20:28

they're now going to have to pay

20:30

them more than Miles Garrett. Maybe they

20:32

won't have to, and they'll just welcome

20:34

the drama. What do you think about

20:36

what the Seahawks did in free agency?

20:38

So I mentioned, you know, they take

20:40

the risk in terms of Sam Arnold.

20:42

It's a $55 million guaranteed contract. Actually,

20:44

the deal is very similar to what

20:46

Baker first signed in Tampa for, what

20:48

Geno first signed in Seattle. This is

20:50

a... Bridge quarterback money. They're not really

20:52

invested past this year if they didn't

20:54

have to. A very similar to the

20:56

Derek car contract that he first signed

20:58

with the Raiders where he only ended

21:00

up staying one more year. But they

21:02

spend that money on De Marcus Lawrence.

21:04

They spend a lot of money on

21:06

John Reed who had a good year

21:08

for them last year. They bring back

21:10

Ernest Jones, one of the many offball

21:12

linebackers that gets paid. They don't really

21:14

spend on the offensive line. They bring

21:16

in MVS. Marcus Valdez Valdez Valdez Valdez

21:18

Valdas. They're going more towards the draft

21:20

here. And is this a case where

21:22

sometimes a defensive coach ends up just

21:24

like worrying about his side of the

21:26

ball a little more than the other

21:28

side of the ball? What do you

21:30

think? Well, a couple things. You know,

21:32

this is dangerous when you're doing this

21:34

one. News could break in any moment,

21:36

but as we're recording this, nothing's happened

21:38

here. But a couple moves that make

21:40

sense to me. I thought Cooper Cup

21:42

made a lot of sense for them

21:44

to give them. MVS, Marcus Valdez Scantling

21:46

on the on the offensive side. Does

21:48

that make you think they're they're going

21:50

more towards the draft here? And is

21:52

this a case where sometimes a defensive...

21:54

coach ends up just like worrying about

21:56

his side of the ball a little

21:58

more than the other side of the

22:00

ball? What do you think? Well, a

22:03

couple things, you know, this is dangerous

22:05

when you're doing this one. News could

22:07

break it any moment, but as we're

22:09

recording this, nothing's happened here. But a

22:11

couple moves that make sense to me.

22:13

I thought Cooper Cup made a lot

22:15

of sense for them to give them

22:17

just a reliable, dependable past catcher, always

22:19

going to be where he's supposed to

22:21

be, going to catch everything. I thought

22:23

he could complement, you know, you can

22:25

move him around a little bit with

22:27

him and JSM. Bradbury struggles a little

22:29

bit with power but in the run

22:31

game he's really good can get up

22:33

and climb to second level cut guys

22:35

off all that stuff so just having

22:37

the relationship there with Sam I thought

22:39

that one would make some sense but

22:41

you know the interior of the offensive

22:43

line is You know, that would be

22:45

my greatest concern right now. And that's

22:47

not just going to be solved with

22:49

a move like that. They're going to

22:51

have to draft and they're going to

22:53

have to hit. And I think some

22:55

part of what we saw with the

22:57

De Marcus Lawrence thing is not just

22:59

to help the defense. Again, Greg, I

23:01

think it all marries together with the

23:03

draft and they're thinking, man, there's going

23:05

to be a run on these defensive

23:07

lineman. in the first round. There's a

23:09

ton of them. And so they can

23:11

sit out the, you know, they don't

23:13

want to be on the middle to

23:15

tail into the D-Lineman run when they

23:17

might be able to get near the

23:19

top of the interior offensive line run

23:21

with where they're picking. So that made

23:23

some sense to me. And you saw

23:25

the vision, the Mike McDonald defense. late

23:27

in the season was outstanding. And if

23:29

you look at their fun, Ernest Jones,

23:31

a big part of that, man, I'm

23:33

glad that that was a great signing.

23:35

And we said it last week. He's

23:37

one of those players like, what the

23:39

heck? Why is he getting bounced around

23:41

the league like this? This guy plays

23:43

well everywhere he goes. Yeah, I love,

23:45

I love the fit. I have a

23:47

hard time finding a weakness on that

23:49

defense. So if they had snuck into

23:51

the playoffs, they wound up with 10

23:53

wins last year. type of team and

23:55

they're hoping Clint Kubiak can help fix

23:57

the offensive line in terms of the

24:00

town and I did know Schneider also

24:02

said, hey, our coaches, he likes some

24:04

of the talent that's there. They've drafted

24:06

guys in the middle rounds, Christian Haynes

24:08

and Anthony Bradford. And so it's one

24:10

another case where I think they're betting

24:12

on John Schneider, and he's done a

24:14

great job there overall over the years.

24:16

They're really trusting him his vision at

24:18

quarterback, developing some of his players, and

24:20

he's working in concert with Mike McDonald.

24:22

But he's got the juice in that

24:24

building, kind of like DJ's got the

24:26

juice. on this show. Let's take a

24:28

quick break. Hold on, hold on, real

24:30

quick, before you get to the break,

24:32

real quick, real quick, real quick. This

24:34

team's 28th in the league and in

24:36

Russian yards. Seattle, their backs are so

24:38

much better than that. That tells you

24:40

again, they've got to get offensive line.

24:42

Gray Zabel, go get him, just go

24:44

do it. And the first one, do

24:46

it. Okay. I like that pick and,

24:48

you know, I've watched some of the

24:50

mocks, including. You talking out there, he

24:52

might not even make it all the

24:54

way to Seattle, but if he does,

24:56

he would be a fantastic pick there.

24:58

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25:00

break, we're gonna come back, we're gonna

25:02

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25:04

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25:06

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25:08

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29:15

right, we talked before the break about

29:17

the Seahawks and what they did in

29:19

terms of bringing in people. Let's talk

29:21

about one of the guys that they

29:23

sent out. D.K. Metcalfe goes to the

29:26

Steelers, very unstealer like move. Not only

29:28

that they gave up the draft pick,

29:30

you know, second round pick, that that's

29:32

good business for D.K. Metcalfe, but they

29:35

gave him a four-year 132 million dollar

29:37

extension. When you look at him and

29:39

Pickens, on the same team, do you

29:41

think... They're at all duplicative. The Redundancy

29:44

Department of Redundancy? Is that what you're.

29:46

They kind of win in similar ways,

29:48

right? I mean, they're different. I don't,

29:50

I don't see how, I don't see

29:53

George Pickens there. I mean, well, look,

29:55

we've got a long time before. we

29:57

get to the to the start of

29:59

the season and maybe they decide to

30:02

let these guys partner up and pair

30:04

up but to me it does feel

30:06

like there's they're very similar they're gonna

30:08

ask to do similar things I to

30:11

me it makes sense and I don't

30:13

know maybe it's maybe it's your Patriots

30:15

Greg but you know I would think there

30:17

would be somebody that would be willing to

30:19

cough up a third round pick for for

30:22

George Pickens but I just to me I feel

30:24

like decay Metcalf was brought in with the

30:26

hope that he could kind of do what

30:28

you know AJ Brown did when he went

30:30

from the Titans to the Eagles which was

30:33

you know immediately infused some much needed playmaking

30:35

into that offense and he's still in his

30:37

prime he's still young for as long as

30:39

he's been in the league he came in

30:42

the league really young so I understand that

30:44

how he fits individually in there I don't

30:46

understand how he and George worked together. I

30:48

just don't see that as a great pairing

30:51

and a great fit. Wow. Maybe I'll be

30:53

maybe I'll be proved wrong when it's all

30:55

said and done, but that to me felt

30:58

more like a replacement than a compliment. Right,

31:00

because he still got two years left George

31:02

Pickens on his rookie deal, but they haven't

31:04

had to declare whether they give him the

31:06

fifth year option. So maybe that is

31:09

something I hadn't really thought about it

31:11

that happens during the draft before the

31:13

draft. That could be a situation to

31:15

watch and isn't it a little weird team

31:17

building wise that you're investing all

31:19

this in your wide receiver and you

31:21

don't have a quarterback at some point

31:23

aren't they going to take a little

31:25

bit of heat for not having any

31:28

post-bend plan that that works? I know I

31:30

mean I think this is the challenge. I think

31:32

that they took their swing. I think

31:34

they took their swing on Sam Donald.

31:36

They tried to get it to make

31:38

it work and he chose to go

31:40

to Seattle. So, you know, you can't,

31:42

it's like what we were saying with

31:44

the Patriots and some of the, you

31:46

know, issues and holes that remain for

31:48

them on offense. You don't get everybody

31:50

you want, you don't snap your fingers

31:52

and they all decide they want to

31:54

come play for you. But they have a

31:56

major, major, major, major quarterback issue right

31:59

now, you know. but eventually they're going to

32:01

have to hit on one and they're going

32:03

to have to hit on one in the

32:05

draft and this year there's some intriguing guys

32:07

those day two quarterbacks they could be a

32:09

team I wouldn't I wouldn't put it past

32:11

them maybe they are a team that slides

32:13

down a little bit trades down get some

32:15

extra picks to fill some other holes and

32:17

then maybe they take a swing on that

32:19

second group of quarterbacks a little earlier than

32:21

people think but they have to keep swinging

32:23

and and find that because you're in a

32:25

division with when you've got borough and Lamar

32:27

like it's hard you're literally bringing knife to

32:29

a gunfight you know you've got to find

32:31

a way to hit on a well they

32:33

keep trying to swing in the wrong years

32:35

for it pick it was a little bit

32:37

of a reach that year certainly in hindsight

32:39

but even at the time it wasn't a

32:41

great quarterback class and now they're in another

32:43

quarterback class that maybe second round it makes

32:45

sense but you don't get Some comps with

32:47

I think fields get in the contract that

32:49

he got they'll get it I wouldn't get

32:51

it probably get a third round pick on

32:54

that So they'll have some they'll have some

32:56

extra picks going Dan Morphe shoot he got

32:58

50 million guaranteed over two years. I'm sure

33:00

that's a third or a fourth round pick

33:02

next year. I'm sure that's a third or

33:04

a fourth round pick next round pick next

33:06

year if they'll have a third or a

33:08

fourth round round pick next year if they'll

33:10

have a third or a fourth round round

33:12

round pick next year if you got 50

33:14

million guaranteed over two over two years over

33:16

two years over two years over two years

33:18

I'm sure that's a third or a third

33:20

or a third or a third or a

33:22

third or a third or a fourth or

33:24

a fourth round or a fourth round fourth

33:26

round round round round round round round round

33:28

round round round round round round round round

33:30

round round round round rival, you're with the

33:32

charges, gets a bitter rivalry. Yeah, gets a

33:34

great deal done, because to me, this Devante

33:36

Adams contract could have as much of an

33:38

impact in who is winning playoff games as

33:40

any of these free agent deals. And they

33:42

ultimately chose them over Cooper Cup, not at

33:44

that much more money than Cooper Cup was

33:46

on the books for. What did you think

33:48

about this move? That

33:51

was interesting. I mean, because there are some

33:53

similarities as players. I think Devante's got a

33:55

little bit more quickness at this point as

33:57

they're both are getting a little bit older.

34:00

But I think it's someone that's gonna be

34:02

able to win outside, that's gonna be able

34:04

to win in the red zone. And I

34:06

think him paired up with Matthew Stafford is

34:09

a, you know, I don't see how he's

34:11

not ultra-productive. Look at the numbers that he

34:13

put up last year. I think he's gonna

34:16

be an easy. 90 catches in this offense

34:18

with him and puka Nakua. Yeah, I think

34:20

it's a I think it's a great fit.

34:22

I don't know that you would have got

34:25

your value out of Devante Adams if he

34:27

goes somewhere with mediocre quarterback play. I'd be

34:29

like, ah, that didn't really make a lot

34:32

of sense. But when you're trying to push

34:34

and you've got all this young talent on

34:36

defense and you just want a little bit

34:38

more on offense, um, yeah, I like that

34:41

movie. And it's a team that at this

34:43

point that at this point. last year so

34:45

they're missing one pick but they have just

34:48

hit pick after pick the last couple of

34:50

years less neat on a hot streak we

34:52

mentioned the Vikings I like Puno Ford too

34:54

man yeah Puna Ford was a good signing

34:57

I obviously saw his games last year he

34:59

played great for the chart yeah and he's

35:01

exactly what they need because they have those

35:04

those great edge rushers but need a little

35:06

beef inside the Rams will be one of

35:08

the NFC favorites next year Will the Vikings

35:10

be if J.J. McCarthy is their week one

35:13

starting quarterback? I would argue yes, because I

35:15

think the rest of the roster is outstanding

35:17

and the weaknesses you mentioned, the interior offensive

35:19

line for Darnle, they bring in the Colts

35:22

interior offensive line in Ryan Kelly and Will

35:24

Fry's and there's some risk there. Kelly's a

35:26

little bit older, but good players. And then

35:29

on the defensive side, you spend a lot

35:31

of money in terms of Hargrave and Jonathan

35:33

Allen. this team like 300 million dollars in

35:35

contract do you like this as as a

35:38

build around a young quarterback like Jay Jay

35:40

yeah and I think you know people look

35:42

at and go okay the reason they want

35:45

aggressive and free agency is because they you

35:47

know you're not having to pay the quarterback

35:49

now with Jay Jay the other reason they

35:51

want aggressive and free agency they don't have

35:54

any draft picks. So they needed to go

35:56

out and solve their issues and solve their

35:58

problems during free agency. So I thought that

36:01

made a lot of sense, how aggressive they

36:03

were along the line of scrimmage. And we'll

36:05

see, maybe they can slide down, trade out

36:07

in the first round, try and recoup some

36:10

of the picks that they've lost over the

36:12

last few years. But that to me is

36:14

another reason why that team was ultra aggressive

36:16

in doing what they did. And we'll see

36:19

if what happens with Aaron Rogers, but I

36:21

am convinced that he's just hoping that he

36:23

can get them. interested and that's why he's

36:26

stretching this thing out because he knows that

36:28

would be the best situation for him just

36:30

just go down to Minnesota like what is

36:32

there a is there a team you you

36:35

would want Rogers to go to by the

36:37

way well I mean I gosh I just

36:39

can't the Minnesota thing I can see it

36:42

I could see him trying to talk Kevin

36:44

O'Connell into it being like look Jay-J maybe

36:46

he gets there but I'm there right now

36:48

I can see Aaron's sales pitch to him

36:51

I just don't see how this benefits Jay,

36:53

in any way, shape or form. Like, I

36:55

don't think it makes any sense from that

36:58

standpoint. So, you know, I would be surprised

37:00

if that's what ultimately ended up happening. And

37:02

for me, you know, who's desperate for them

37:04

that the two teams, the, the, the Giants

37:07

and the Steelers, man, I, if I was

37:09

Aaron Rogers, I think the Giants have a

37:11

little more firepower with the league neighbors. You

37:13

know, that would be kind of fun. But,

37:16

you know, hey, Pittsburgh. That's uh, you know,

37:18

that's a team that's, that's done a lot

37:20

of winning over the years and still has

37:23

some, uh, some start. Yeah, that's fight, that's

37:25

fighting words that you say the dieter about

37:27

in spot. Who I've said, yeah, decay and

37:29

George, just, you know. paired up together, perfect

37:32

match. I would like Rogers and Pittsburgh just

37:34

for the content. And that's, I'm just selfish.

37:36

I just feel like it'd be good podcast

37:39

fodder, Tomlin, Rogers, with that organization, give it

37:41

to me. I have been skeptical about much

37:43

of the Ryan Polls era, and that skepticism

37:45

has been borne out because every off-season bears

37:48

fans who are just the most optimistic and

37:50

zealous fans. I love them. They always think

37:52

the bears are gonna be awesome year after

37:55

year. This is the first year where I'm

37:57

a match. I'm kind of in on it.

37:59

They spent... in free agency. They signed Drew

38:01

Dahlman as the center. We talked about the

38:04

trades that they had made at the guard

38:06

position. Let's listen to Ryan Polls, their general

38:08

manager, and how he looks at the free

38:11

agency spending. Yeah, this really opens the whole

38:13

board for us. So we're going to be

38:15

able to sit back and kind of look

38:17

and say, what's the best thing to do

38:20

for the Chicago Bears? And who's the best

38:22

player that can impact? So we got some

38:24

tough decisions in the watch between now and

38:26

the draft. I don't think that was GM

38:29

speak. That makes a lot of sense to

38:31

me. When I look at their depth chart

38:33

now, I don't see huge screaming needs. I

38:36

feel like they can attack like whoever they

38:38

want. Where would you go? DJ. Yeah,

38:41

I've mentioned a couple options there. I think

38:43

Ashton Gente comes into play big time when

38:45

you've kind of fixed a lot of the

38:48

offensive line You could make a case they

38:50

could still go out and get an upgrade

38:52

at left tackle But Ashton Gente to you

38:55

know play behind this front that can create

38:57

some front that can create should be able

38:59

to create some push And I would be

39:01

a lot of fun to watch him with

39:04

Caleb Williams and Roma that kind of little

39:06

triplets grow up together so I love more

39:08

and Tyler Warren to me, just live in

39:10

12 personnel and you've got a creative play

39:13

caller, you could have a lot of fun

39:15

with him now that you've addressed that interior

39:17

of the offensive line. And that just goes

39:19

to. you know what they were saying there

39:22

is that they're freed up so literally just

39:24

take the best available player somebody that's going

39:26

to come in and and make an impact

39:28

for your team so yeah I'm excited about

39:31

the bears I'm excited to watch that team

39:33

next year maybe more so than any other

39:35

to see you know what type of step

39:37

Caleb makes and and really to see what

39:40

kind of offense Ben Johnson's going to run

39:42

because it's not going to be the same

39:44

thing you had in Detroit. I feel differently

39:46

about Ben Johnson just from watching him. Handle

39:49

the public duties of being a coach and

39:51

some of those videos in the building. He

39:53

just he's convinced me like he just he

39:55

just seems like a dude and now I

39:58

think he's the key guy in the organization

40:00

But Ryan Puls has done a good job.

40:02

I think building up that their players this

40:04

off season. And Drew Dahlman was a good

40:07

example. Do you think like just looking at

40:09

the offensive lineman and free agency and thinking

40:11

about, you just mentioned the Dan Moore contract.

40:13

Aaron Banks was a guy who got just

40:16

an exceptional amount of money and there was

40:18

only a couple guys out there. It's just

40:20

a reminder that these offensive lineman now that

40:22

you almost have to draft them. early, even

40:25

more than I think any time that I've

40:27

seen at the NFL level, it really feels

40:29

like it's quarterback and then offensive line. And

40:31

that includes the interior offensive line. If Drew

40:34

Dauman and Aaron Banks are making defensive tackle,

40:36

defensive end type of money, like to me,

40:38

there is an even bigger premium to get

40:41

those guys in the draft and maybe those

40:43

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creative. All right let's wrap the

50:01

show and I truly have no

50:04

clue how long we've gone I'm

50:06

just having such a good time

50:08

talking to my new my new

50:10

best friend DJ that the one

50:12

partnership that matters in his life

50:14

now. Let's let's talk about who's

50:16

still out there. Of my top

50:18

101 free agents I should have

50:20

listened to you. I don't know

50:22

if you told me to rank

50:24

Asante Samuel Jr. lower, but he

50:26

was the one cornerback I hadn't

50:29

ranked high that hasn't gotten his

50:31

money yet. Amari Cooper is up

50:33

there. Aaron Rogers is the best

50:35

quarterback option. Kim Robinson is a

50:37

plug-in-play type of tackle even if

50:39

he's not, you know, way above

50:41

average. Stefan dig some other names,

50:43

Aziz, Ojulari, Kalais Campbell. Tevin Jenkins

50:45

is visiting the Seahawks, visiting the

50:47

Seahawks, so they might sign him

50:49

to help them out at... the

50:51

interior offensive line. Is there anyone

50:54

out there for free agency that

50:56

stands out to you? Well,

50:59

I mean I think looking at this

51:01

list, you know, and I won't name

51:03

the guys But like the medical is

51:05

a big part of that too for

51:07

for why some of these guys are

51:09

still sitting out there and the concerns

51:12

that exist there So that's that's the

51:14

hard thing when you're putting one of

51:16

those lists together Greg And I see

51:18

it on the draft side of things

51:20

with a few guys as well as

51:22

that there's gonna be metal in for

51:24

medical information that we're not privy to

51:26

that can impact that look to me

51:28

I think you're talking about a lot

51:30

of a of cheap deals, incentives, or

51:32

that's the buzzword at this point in

51:34

free agency, short term, incentive heavy deals,

51:36

but I don't see anything on that

51:38

list that gets me super, super fired

51:41

up. Dang, that's rude, bro. Cooper Cup,

51:43

not on that list, a little bit

51:45

below, just because he's a helpful player

51:47

right now. What do you think he's

51:49

gonna get, Greg? 10 million dollars a

51:51

year, maybe 12, like two. He's gonna

51:53

get more than that, he's gonna get

51:55

more than that. He wants more than

51:57

that is the reporting out there. Maybe

51:59

it's 15 million a year that he

52:01

wants, so. Maybe it's some fake money.

52:03

I think he'll get I think he'll

52:05

get 15. I think he'll get 15

52:07

Okay, if that happens, I bet it's

52:09

Mostly guaranteed just for one year and

52:12

the guarantees are closer to 12 13

52:14

million dollars in that first year But

52:16

we'll see you you've you've shown you

52:18

are an insider. I'm gonna throw out

52:20

some teams. I think we have a

52:22

little work to do some teams. You

52:24

know, we mentioned the Patriots haven't done

52:26

a lot on offense. So maybe they

52:28

have work to do in the draft

52:30

Didn't you expect the Bengals to rebuild

52:32

that defense a little bit? And all

52:34

they've done is bring back some of

52:36

their rotational guys like a Joseph Asai

52:38

and a B.J. Hill, not a lot

52:41

coming out of Cincinnati other than they're

52:43

not trading Trey Hendrickson. Do you do

52:45

allowances with your kids, Greg? I know,

52:47

I really don't. I should. I should.

52:49

So it's this generation, we don't do

52:51

it with ours either, but I had

52:53

an allowance growing up, did you have

52:55

an allowance? Yes, and I laugh about

52:57

it because I've said many times, okay,

52:59

we're gonna start an alliance, you're gonna

53:01

start doing chores, you're gonna do this

53:03

or that, and then it never ends

53:05

up happening, that's why I'm laughing. So

53:07

here's the analogy. So you were kids

53:10

and mom I want a new bike,

53:12

you know, because our generation we actually

53:14

wrote bikes and say, okay, we got

53:16

to save up for it. Then okay,

53:18

then we would go, you know, go

53:20

to the toy store and be like,

53:22

oh, I think I want to buy

53:24

that video game. But I thought, you

53:26

know, go to the toy store and

53:28

be like, oh, I think I want

53:30

to buy that video game. You can

53:32

buy the video game, you don't get

53:34

the bike. And I get that. But

53:36

this was a team whose defense completely

53:38

collapsed. They had a good defensive coordinator

53:41

in Luanarumo, so you can't tell me

53:43

that you're going to get better just

53:45

by getting rid of a defensive corps.

53:47

And maybe they needed new blood there.

53:49

That's fine, that decision was made. But

53:51

if their big plan to get better

53:53

is just bring back the guys that

53:55

we had, but that way more money,

53:57

that doesn't seem like a recipe to

53:59

take advantage. plan as we hired Al

54:01

Golden. who should know the college game

54:03

really really well haven't just come out

54:05

of there as a defensive coordinator. We've

54:07

already talked about two teams, we've already

54:10

spent half this podcast praising the Rams

54:12

and the Eagles for how well they've

54:14

drafted on the defensive side of the

54:16

ball and how they flip that roster

54:18

over a couple years of good drafting.

54:20

That's the blueprint. The bingles are going

54:22

to pay their offensive stars and they're

54:24

gonna rely on the draft and their

54:26

coaching to identify and develop cheap young

54:28

draft draft picks on the defensive side

54:30

of the ball. would be a little

54:32

more aggressive and free agency. And I

54:34

think they're one of those teams you

54:36

kind of mentioned with the Patriots and

54:39

the Steelers that maybe just lost some

54:41

of the bidding. They did spend some

54:43

money on Josh Sweat, they brought in

54:45

Dauvin Tomlinson, but I thought they'd add

54:47

a little more juice. Jaguar is the

54:49

same, but I heard their GM speaking

54:51

that they are really planning on these

54:53

draft picks coming in and playing right

54:55

away. And then, you know, I look

54:57

at a team. Like who out there

54:59

is there anyone that stands out to

55:01

you that just hasn't necessarily done enough?

55:03

Because I look at a team like

55:05

the Texans and they've been aggressive in

55:07

taking that offensive line apart. There's a

55:10

lot of risk there in what they're

55:12

doing around CJ Stroud and then building

55:14

up their defense instead. Yeah, I mean,

55:16

look, I don't I don't know how

55:18

the offensive line comes together there. I

55:20

mean. They have a lot of holes

55:22

in the boat there. Titus Howard, I

55:24

believe, they said he'll play left, right,

55:26

so he'll kick over and play left

55:28

tackle. You know, I could get excited

55:30

about him. I think he's got a

55:32

chance to be a solid left tackle.

55:34

He's very talented. It doesn't always come

55:36

together for him, but there is talent

55:39

there. But man, they got a lot

55:41

of work to do on the rest

55:43

of that front. Man that's I don't

55:45

know if you look at the draft

55:47

you never want to have a you

55:49

know you never want to have that

55:51

pressure and and be locked in and

55:53

loaded on one specific knee that you

55:55

must fix but man they have got

55:57

to go heavy on the offensive line.

55:59

And they've got a hit. That was

56:01

interesting. To tonsil to me, they must

56:03

have just been really tired and wanted

56:05

to change kind of the culture of

56:08

that offensive line, almost the penalties. There

56:10

was something that maybe it was work

56:12

ethic related. I don't want to speculate,

56:14

but that was. bizarre for where they

56:16

are as a team to make that

56:18

move unless they just felt it was

56:20

addition by subtraction because that one they

56:22

got a lot they got a lot

56:24

of work to do. And they did

56:26

get a couple picks and they could

56:28

be thinking like Seattle that Nick Haley

56:30

comes in as the offensive coordinator and

56:32

the scheme improves the offensive line but

56:34

that was a bold bold move by

56:36

Nick Osario and Dymico Ryan's. By the

56:39

way we talked about Cup. If you're

56:41

watching on NFL network, who knows by

56:43

the time you see this. Maybe they're

56:45

looking at my top 101. The GM's

56:47

out there. He could be a saint.

56:49

He could be on one of the

56:51

teams. All these players are just up

56:53

for grabs and it's slowed down the

56:55

free agency frenzy, but it's still happening

56:57

DJ. We got a while before the

56:59

draft. I'm looking forward to this journey

57:01

with you. It's gonna be Thursdays moving

57:03

forward, but you know, we had to

57:05

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