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Hello,

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and welcome to another episode

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of No such thing is a fish, a weekly

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podcast this week coming to you live

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from up the creaking, Greenwich London.

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My name is Dan Streiber. I am

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sitting here with Anna Tashinsky, Andrew

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Hunter Murray, and James Harkin. And once

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again, we have gathered around the microphones with

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our four fake favorite facts from the last seven

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days. And in no particular

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order, here we go. Starting

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with fact number one and that is

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Andy. My fact is that some

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shows at the Roman colosseum featured

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sausage dogs. People

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fighting sausage stocks. It's so

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unclear. It's so unclear what the actual

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thing is

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maybe. I mean --

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Yeah. -- the thing is they would be quite far away you

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can get great visibility on a sausage dog from that

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distance. If you're in the back, you'd have

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no idea what was going on. Yeah. That's true. He's

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all. But maybe it was a swarm of sausage dogs

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against one

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Christian. You know, that

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is possible. Would you rather fight a thousand

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Christian sides as well? A

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thousand Christian sides. Sophageal?

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Or what? Or

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not? Often

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didn't get a choice. Fun fact, every policy.

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So we should say there's a study. There's there's

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been an archaeological study done recently, and

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these sons, Venus dogs, whatever you wanna call

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them, and they oh, they were the kind of precursor

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of the prototypes of these dogs because

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the modern predown your most about the eighteenth and nineteenth

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century.

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But they were basically this kind of

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thing. When you can time when you saw one, you would

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think it was a sausage. Exactly. Thing

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is we we genuinely don't know what they thought. The archaeologists

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have been crawling in the sewers under the colosseum.

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For a year, they spent a year crawling

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in the mud on their stomachs. And they

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found lots of stuff. They found seven coins,

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which does not feel like a good return

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on invested. So a good

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way And

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they found some bones. They found some leopard bones. They found

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some lions and ostrich bones, but they also found these

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dogs. And we don't know, were they part

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of stage

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battles, which is great fun, or were they acrobats,

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which is also fun. Which is amazing. There isn't

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no doubt that this is a slightly more boring

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explanation, which is that they

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might have been used to kind of hunt rats.

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Okay? Because when you're at the museum,

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loads of people there, you're eating lots of snacks,

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it could be that they try to stop the

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Romans. Oh. I mean, I'd rather think of

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them as acrobats. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's

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all speculation. Right? Did we not write stuff

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down? Back then. Because I'm pretty

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sure we did. How is it that sausage dogs

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have escaped history? Yet, we are That's

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a great idea. There was

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a lot going on on the holiday, and it was

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some mad shit for about five hundred

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years.

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You couldn't

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write every single thing down that I did. Sorry. If

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I walked out of the end of an evening at the coliseum

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and I saw Gladiator fighting, I'm not saying that. I'm

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going, they don't see the fucking sausage.

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But no, but there was so much weird stuff

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in that. Like, the real acrobat did amazing

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things. And one of the frustrating things is

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we don't have that much information because people

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write about it in fragments. Sometimes

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we've only got little bits of writing. There

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was the pateauras, which

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the sources we have suggest was a giant

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seasaw. Yeah. And we think it was used at

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kind of half time in the colosseum. So there's

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huge seesaw and you'd have two

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opponents competing on either side.

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And one would jump onto it

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and it would fling the other one up in the

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air. I think -- Oh. -- thirty feet in the air. No.

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They go off it. Stop

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it.

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Apparently --

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Okay. -- they'd go through they'd

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go through hoops of flame. I think one of the sources

3:40

said and then come back down, then the other one

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gets flung in the air. There is

3:44

an account of them falling to their death sometimes

3:47

as will happen. Wasn't there an

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account of them putting criminals

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on there? Yeah. And the idea is

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their lions come in. Right? And they're gonna

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attack the guy who's the bottom of the seesaw.

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Yeah. So you're always trying to get to the

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top of your seesaw --

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Yeah. -- so that he's at the

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bottom. I think that sums is speculated

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that that might be what they were used for. In essence, that's

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the suggestion. The problem is, as soon as the

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other guy gets eaten, your fuck, aren't

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you basically? Yeah.

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The the weird thing is this is all the halftime

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shows though. Lots of the lots of what we talk about

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now is the halftime shows in between

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what? Carrier races? And then maybe

4:20

other fires were gradual damage. But a lot of the

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a lot of the damn nacho ad

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bestie also being killed by wild animals,

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basically, organized by a group of people

4:28

called the best Diyari, there are lots of

4:30

sources claiming that the best Yari were incredible

4:33

trainers of animals, and they would train

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animals to kill people in incredibly

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elaborate ways that referenced myths

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for people. So they would recreate

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death ins. You you guys remember

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the story of Prometheus. He stole fire

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from the gods and then he was punished. He was

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chained to a rock. And liver

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would a liver would fly out every

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day and pack out

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his eagle.

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So Eagle Ford, but

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they

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recreated it the opposite way. Exactly.

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Yeah. Supposedly, one best

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deal earlier spent months to months training

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a single eagle to remove a man's organs.

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Wow. I just really I don't think I can't

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believe that's true. Wow. Like -- Yeah. --

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the halftime show sounded amazing. They just

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kinda sound like a modern halftime show

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of, let's say, a basketball, if

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you watch Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Like,

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it's really show stuffy kind

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of stuff, so they would do things where snacks

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would fall from the sky. And including

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from I mean, they're not from the clouds, obviously.

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But they they were sort of launched, kind

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of like how the people that would stand in the middle and

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shoot up t shirts, how to rock They had a toga

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cannon. Exactly. Something like this. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, what

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they actually had though, which is amazing is you've got

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this wooden ball where on the inside, you

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would win something like a t shirt

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or as as Yeah.

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But I know they didn't have t shirt, so it's very progressive.

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No. No. But it would be food or would be money, it

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would even deeds to a house, you

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know, or an apartment? Yeah. So a lot of

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people really fall over it. But was there bad things? Was

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there bad things in the bulls as well?

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No. Don't No. It's a happy

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So, like, if you open the bowl, you might get a t

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shirt or it might be. You have to go on the c

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shirt. Yeah.

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Exactly. Yeah. That did

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sound pretty cool, though. Didn't it? They

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had Possibly, we think.

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Like, the spectators would have water sprinkled

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on them. Oh, yeah. Because they have toilets that

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would running water. So they would

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kind of get the water from the river and kind of get

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it to go through the stadium and go

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through where all the toilets are. But they also

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had huge We think because they had this

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in Pool, we haven't seen it in the Colosseum,

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but it's very, very similar. They had huge,

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huge towers with loads of water in. And

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that water would kind of sprinkle over everyone's

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keep them

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cool. And they also had a retractable

6:38

roof. And then they were two

6:40

thousand years ahead of Wimbledon.

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It's so amazing. Isn't it? There we go. Yeah. You're a

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kind of the proof

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that they could bring over whenever it got to

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-- Wow. --

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the valarium, I think,

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and it was operated by about a thousand

6:54

sailors who would pull on the ropes because they used

6:56

to pulling a rope sailors. But

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yeah. And you'd have advertising up

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and we've got the, I

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wanna say, etchings in the stones, but we've

7:05

got the evidence that you'd advertise there

7:07

will be shade Vela

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Eren, you know. There will be shade for you.

7:11

Incredible. Although Coligula like to wind

7:13

it back so he could watch people just boil

7:15

boil up. Oh, yeah. That's perfect. Absolutely

7:17

classical again. Yeah. Yeah. It

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sounded hectic working though, though, because

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basically you could be a part of the

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show. If anything went wrong, if the

7:26

emperor decided to Claudius in particular.

7:28

There was a there was a biographer called

7:30

pseudonius who wrote about the fact that Claudius,

7:32

if he was watching a show, and something

7:34

went slightly wrong. And everything

7:36

was operated underneath in terms of the

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if the gladiators were fighting, all the

7:41

animals that came up into the stadium, they

7:43

were all in the Hypergene and which was underneath,

7:45

which is this extraordinary kind of like

7:47

the backstage of a of a

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theater where they have just a crazy

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amount of stuff that you wouldn't realize to make shows

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happen. Was happening underneath.

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And so if something went wrong where

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something came up at the wrong time and it pissed

7:59

off the emperor, he would just say whoever

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the staff is down there, they're now in the show. Get

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them up there to fight the lion's ass shit.

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Anything that went wrong. If the catering went

8:07

wrong, get the caterers in there. So he

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just kept adding people to be killed in the

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-- Right. Right. Right. -- I

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heard that sometimes hecklers would be thrown

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to wild animals -- Really? -- fair enough.

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We should start that. I

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like the Hypergium because it's

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like it's like whack a

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mole, isn't it? Because that's like a lion

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would pop up somewhere. Yeah. And

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then he

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had to go and fight it and then some monkeys

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and then Sausage dogs. Sausage dogs. Sausage

8:32

dogs. Thank you. But the whole

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point was is that it it there wasn't spots

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you knew that they would pop up. There were

8:38

so many spots that like the whack a mole you could

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be facing this way that expecting

8:42

a lion. Yeah. And then it comes behind you. Apparently,

8:45

the system to bring them up sometimes was

8:47

so supercharged that the lion would be loved

8:49

into the other stuff. Come

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on. And count I heard bad. Oh my god.

8:53

There's so much speculation about

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this stuff. It's amazing. And

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the the first the best seats

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were reserved for the emperor and the vestal

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virgins. Alright. They got the best seats.

9:03

And then if you went a little bit higher

9:05

up, you would get the senators and then get the

9:07

night and the nobles and then the

9:09

very very further strata was for commoners

9:12

and then they built one more

9:15

even right at the very very back strata.

9:17

Do you know who that was for? Communist.

9:20

All sorts.

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Women is exactly right. Oh,

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really? I'm afraid so. Because

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they gave us the best you. Yes.

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Exactly. You won't be able to see the sausage

9:30

dog unless it was flung really

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high. It's

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seated a lot. It's seated fifty thousand

9:37

people. The colosseum. Roughly.

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And I went I went to Wembley

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to see a

9:41

show. And that gives you like,

9:43

if you were watching sausage dog, Dan, as you

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said, like because I I

9:47

went to see I went to see Billy Joel

9:50

when I and my wife booked me this

9:52

ticket as a part of a Christmas present.

9:54

And said, what what are the seats like? She said, I

9:56

didn't really check. I'm sure they're good. You

9:58

couldn't be further away from Billy Jones

10:00

as possible. It was so far

10:02

away that when the gig was playing, we could

10:04

hear the song and the screens allowed us to

10:06

see him which, generally, he's sausage dog's

10:08

eyes at that distance. It was

10:10

out of sync with the visual and I was like, oh

10:12

my god, Billy's gonna be so angry because, you

10:14

know, there's so much money is, but that's how far away we

10:16

work. Sound and vision we're traveling

10:18

at a different rate. That

10:20

they were

10:20

not in sync.

10:21

So if you counted the number of seconds between

10:23

the time you opened his mouth and the time you

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saw it, you could tell how far away

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Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You could tell when you're gonna went by

10:29

lightning. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Nice.

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Well, you say if fifty thousand sounds big,

10:33

but I just don't think we ever make a big

10:35

enough deal of the fact that this call is in

10:37

basically replace a match MAXIMUS, which was

10:39

its predecessor, sat two

10:41

hundred and fifty thousand people still

10:43

the biggest ever

10:44

stadium. It's just oh, that's

10:47

funny. It was amazing. That was Rome as well,

10:49

but it was

10:49

you know, they got bored of it. That was where they

10:52

had lots of chariot races and then chalk

10:54

the colosseum in, which they never called the

10:56

colosseum. They called it a

10:58

flavian amphitheater, and we

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think the reason they changed the name is

11:03

quite funny. So it started being called the

11:05

colosseum in sort of early

11:07

medieval times. And we believe it's

11:09

because the colossus at the time was

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the colossus of gigantic hundred foot tall,

11:13

classic Nero Statue of Him,

11:15

which had its as Nero

11:17

went out of fashion, its head kept changing.

11:19

So whatever emperor was in power at the time,

11:21

they'd shove his head on the statue. And

11:25

eventually, someone wrote a poem about

11:27

the colossus saying so long as the colossus

11:29

stands, Rome shall stand. When

11:31

the colossus falls, Rome two

11:33

shall fall. And when Rome falls,

11:35

so fools the world. And then almost immediately

11:37

after that was written and published, the

11:39

colossus fell. And

11:41

we think they went, well, shit. This everyone's

11:43

gonna think the world's gonna end. We better change

11:45

what the colossus is. And so then we

11:47

think they named the colosseum. The colosseum.

11:50

Wow. Because it was right nearby. And

11:52

they

11:52

said, let's just pretend for

11:54

us. Oh,

11:54

that's really cool. I've

11:57

got some stuff on sausage dogs. Oh, quite

11:59

amazing. Sorry.

12:01

Very nice. We've actually got to move on. No.

12:03

No. Absolutely. Absolutely not.

12:05

Don't go near it. I thought

12:08

this fact we've got a very different direction. I

12:10

basically only got sausage stock stuff now.

12:12

Do you guys know where the sausage

12:14

stock capital of the world

12:15

is? Oh,

12:16

in Germany? No. It's out of this year. It's in

12:18

the UK. Oh.

12:19

It's almost ungatable. It's almost totally

12:22

ungatable. Is

12:23

it is it madeston?

12:25

It's on the

12:26

coast. Not like Mace

12:28

does it. So

12:31

it's not it's I I

12:33

even know why I say it. It's it was in Southwold

12:35

this year in Suffolk. Oh, yeah. They

12:37

had a lot

12:37

of, you know, poor people

12:39

in the audience.

12:42

This year, South Wall hosted the

12:45

world's largest ever single breed

12:47

dog walk when

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two thousand two hundred and thirty

12:51

eight sausage dogs turned up for a

12:52

walk. Whoa.

12:52

At the same time. That's the last size of

12:55

one gladiator Christian. You

12:59

said turned up. Like like,

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hey, there was clothes up around town and the

13:03

dogs just chopped it up on

13:04

their own. I know. And they have

13:06

one person to walk. All of them was at

13:08

night and Do you wanna hear a fact that it's

13:10

not about Daxos? Yeah. And then we need to move on. Okay. Okay.

13:12

This is so I've read I was reading an article in

13:14

researching this about it. Daxos, which was caught

13:16

on CCTV in Germany. And it was

13:18

the only police lead for a a case, a

13:20

crime case because it had an unusual lead, and they

13:22

couldn't see the face of the criminal, and they could

13:24

only see the lead on the

13:25

DAXMT. That was the the such a confusing case. Do

13:27

we have any leads? Yes. You've got it. I wanna

13:29

lead. Thank you.

13:34

I I only mention this because I I because of the

13:36

final paragraph, which I loved, but it's not accent

13:38

related, but it wasn't this story. So here

13:40

I'm just gonna read it verbatim. It may

13:42

not be the first time a pet has provided

13:44

key evidence. In twenty

13:46

seventeen, a woman in Michigan was

13:48

convicted of killing her husband partly on the

13:50

testimony from their parent which

13:52

kept repeating, don't trud in

13:54

the dead man's voice. Oh

13:57

my god.

13:58

Spooky.

13:58

In his nice. And

13:59

it's supposed to be in his voice. I've never had a

14:02

parrot that can do voices, but this

14:04

will go. Amazing. But he

14:05

didn't say, don't shoot Mabel.

14:08

Did he? Oh, yeah. So we don't know who he was

14:10

talking

14:10

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15:39

is time for fact number two and that

15:41

is Anna. My fact this week is

15:43

that in the nineteen twenties, spiritualists

15:45

started complaining that tutankhamun

15:47

was appearing at their seances too

15:49

often.

15:53

So spamming them. Was

15:55

he disruptive? Or was it just there's

15:57

two Sometimes yeah.

15:59

He seemed to have have quite had mood swings, which I guess

16:01

he was a teenager.

16:03

So This

16:05

was Go to your pyramid. No.

16:09

Fuck. Go

16:11

to your tomb. Sorry. There we

16:13

go. This

16:18

was in student commons had a

16:21

second hay day, which was the nineteen twenties, I

16:23

guess. So he was his

16:25

too much discovered in nineteen twenty two. It

16:27

was this huge deal and he became this

16:29

massive celebrity. Obviously, no one had ever heard

16:31

of him before this. And

16:33

at the same time, seances were very

16:35

popular. Purchasers were very popular. And

16:37

so he kept on popping up. And there was

16:39

an addition of a journal called Like

16:41

a journal of spiritual progress and

16:43

physical research. And a

16:45

letter in it said, we are

16:47

getting a little tired of tutankhamun.

16:51

Messages reporting to be from him, which

16:53

consist of vague generalities, are quite

16:55

worthless, anyone could compose

16:57

them. And saying basically, you

16:59

know, either give us good evidence of your

17:00

identity. I don't know how to write some hieroglyphics or

17:03

something, but hard to do on a

17:05

Weijer board. You need the expansion

17:07

pack for that. Yeah.

17:09

You need

17:12

the

17:12

right fun done. Yeah. Some

17:14

wing dings on

17:15

yeah. They said

17:18

we don't want and want just random celebrities

17:20

claiming to turn up. Either we want the good

17:22

evidence or we want their message to be

17:24

of such high quality that their identity

17:26

becomes unimportant. Some

17:28

very fine teaching comes from these visitors

17:30

and it's being spoiled by Putin come in. And the

17:32

the thought was wasn't it that the reason

17:35

he started coming up because of this heyday thing

17:37

is because of the tension was so great on him that

17:39

his

17:39

was, like, invoked back into his That was the

17:41

excuse for Yeah. Rather than why is Toonoon coming

17:43

not been, like, breaking into everyone's seance

17:45

prior to that? It's because, well, he was he

17:47

didn't know he was needed --

17:48

Yeah. -- prior to I think he was, like, an they were

17:51

telling me he was a bit of an egotistical attention seeker,

17:53

and so he was up there, like, well, no one cares

17:55

about me. And then they started caring. So

17:57

he decided, final come and visit him. What

17:59

was he saying? What was what were the messages he

18:01

was ringing? So sometimes he was angry as tumor

18:03

had been violated. And he would smash

18:05

everything up. He injured a medium.

18:07

He broke lots of Egyptian sculptures that

18:09

were in the room. And then

18:11

sometimes he wasn't a nice

18:13

guy. I redepended.

18:16

I wonder who modern equivalent of

18:18

that would be. So it's always very

18:20

very famous and What they did in two

18:22

and three, there was a pay per view,

18:25

princess Diana Sayers. I don't

18:27

remember that. Yeah. Two thousand and three.

18:28

God. Yeah. But pay per view, it was like

18:30

Why do you sound to pull that pay per view? Because

18:33

it's event television.

18:34

It was sort of it was a No. It would

18:36

be a huge event that you would have pay per view

18:38

because, you know Got it.

18:40

Yeah. Right. But

18:41

you're saying it should've been BBC done. License

18:44

fee. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

18:47

Okay. But she got to the BBC. They

18:49

just can't afford it. Oh. But check out. This

18:51

is a this is a seyons that I'd never heard

18:53

of before. This was a medium who

18:55

was quite famous called Lillian Bailey.

18:57

And she claimed that she had spirit guide,

18:59

who was called William Hadley Wooten,

19:01

and he was a captain during World War

19:03

one. He died in World War one. And

19:05

she would use him in order to

19:07

bring other people to talk and

19:10

she received a request one

19:12

day to go and do a sales, but they said it's a

19:14

bit high profile the person. So what we're

19:16

gonna do is we're gonna pick you up from

19:18

your place We're gonna blindfold you and we're gonna take

19:20

you to the place. So she was sat around

19:22

the table and then she wasn't allowed to take

19:24

the blindfold off. So she did

19:26

it. And at the end of it, having contacted someone, she took

19:28

the blindfold off and sitting in front of her

19:31

was Queen Elizabeth II, Prince

19:33

Philip, the Queen Mother, and

19:35

a few other of the royals. And what it was is it

19:37

was not long after the king had died.

19:39

And the queen mother was obsessed with the

19:41

idea of contact So the queen

19:43

was at a

19:44

sale. Wow. Can you imagine taking that

19:46

blindfold off? Hello,

19:50

Yale. She slowly

19:52

put it back on. Take

19:58

me home. But she kind of

20:00

used that in the future as a kind of she's

20:02

the queen's official media. Yeah.

20:04

Yeah. Yeah. My old appointment. That's who

20:06

she said she was. the queen mother

20:09

often would book sessions with

20:11

her afterwards to try and do it. And the

20:13

person who set it up, which was

20:15

not in the movie, with a man called lionel

20:17

loeg who was the therapist who

20:19

treated the king for his stammer in the king's

20:20

speech. Right. He's the one who set up the

20:23

seyons. Wow. They should have put

20:25

that in. Yeah. Deathwood has

20:27

seen. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Do you speak in the sense

20:29

when you're one of the guests? Or do you only speak when you're the

20:31

media? You're not really supposed to. Yeah. Okay. I

20:33

just thought because that would have given it away as

20:35

a not not enough people speak like the Queen and

20:37

Prince Philip or and and the Queen mom

20:38

to, you know, to conceal your

20:41

identity. Maybe they'd put an accent on.

20:43

Oh, completely accidental.

20:46

Yeah. I wish it was a

20:48

thing. Yeah. Gentle.

20:55

Whatever they're best at. Oh,

20:57

actually speaking of Germans, there was a big thing in the war, wasn't

20:59

there where there was a medium

21:02

called Helen Duncan. Mhmm. And

21:04

she was a Scottish twenty

21:06

five stone working class mother of

21:08

six who swore, smokes, and

21:10

drank whiskey. She sounds great.

21:12

Right? Mhmm. But at the time she was, like,

21:14

in the upper classes in London. They thought she was an absolute

21:17

genius. They thought that she could speak to the

21:19

dead. She was really, really important

21:21

in the high society. And

21:23

then in nineteen forty one, she was in the

21:25

sales in Portsmouth as she claimed the spirit

21:27

of a sailor told her that a certain ship

21:29

had been sunk and it's

21:31

heard out that had been sunk, but it hadn't been reported

21:34

yet. And so

21:36

obviously, she became they were really worried

21:38

about her. First of all, maybe, you

21:40

know, she is somehow getting

21:42

messages from the dead or maybe she's getting

21:44

messages from the Germans or

21:46

Yeah. I thought she might be a spy

21:48

who was seeding the other part. She

21:49

got done for witchcraft. Yeah.

21:52

She was the last person or the second

21:54

last person, the last person to be imprisoned under

21:56

the witchcraft act, but she got imprisoned

21:58

under the witchcraft act of

22:00

seventeen thirty

22:01

five. What was being for? Being a

22:04

witch. It's

22:04

absolutely incorrect. Not being

22:06

a witch. That's absolutely right. Oh.

22:09

So the witch craft act of seventeen

22:11

thirty five was not about

22:13

prosecuting witches. It was the first

22:15

act that acknowledged witches are not

22:17

real, and so people pretending to

22:19

be witch are the ones who need

22:21

to be punished now for faking

22:22

it. And so she was punished for pretending

22:24

to be a witch. Brilliant. God, it's real

22:26

catch twenty two situation as well. Yeah. Yeah.

22:28

Yeah. This isn't it. Have you guys

22:30

heard of Colin Evans? No? No. Colin

22:32

Evans was a well spiritualist in,

22:34

I think, the nineteen twenties. And his

22:36

big thing was claiming that he

22:39

could levitate So he would get an audience, probably an audience around

22:41

this size, a few hundred people. He

22:43

would request the room went completely

22:45

dark the audience would sit

22:47

around him and pitch pitch blackness.

22:49

And they would chant. They would

22:51

all chant the same thing, an incredible atmosphere, something

22:53

like that. Take Leather, tight.

22:56

Leather, tight. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate. Leather, mate.

22:58

Leather, mate. No. No. It was

23:00

completely dark. And then he he provided

23:02

proof of it. He

23:04

would take photos of himself at the very moment where he was levitating.

23:07

But the thing is, he

23:09

was just jumping. He

23:14

would

23:14

just jump, take the boat home, and

23:17

then land. That's going

23:20

impressive. That's all like. When was his

23:22

son? Twenty photos

23:24

took a long time to expose back then to capture

23:26

something. No. No. No. No. He had a flash he had a flash photo in

23:28

the twenties or it might have been thirties. Exposure times

23:30

will write down. Was he smiling in the photo? Or was

23:32

he

23:32

serious? He was very serious. Yeah. But his feet were

23:34

slightly blurred. That's what I was saying.

23:36

I suppose Dan is

23:37

right that the technology must have been new enough

23:39

that people didn't like, catch on.

23:41

Right? Didn't assume. I guess.

23:42

Yeah. And it was it was also if even if you were

23:44

in the room, you'd see a tiny flash of

23:46

light and Tim So that

23:48

would provide the light. I mean, do you have a

23:50

idea? Yes. I always think that

23:53

back

23:53

in these olden days, the seance days

23:55

in the nineteen twenties.

23:57

Yeah.

23:57

It must have been so much darker than it

24:00

is today. I just think there was

24:02

less natural light around and we didn't have a

24:04

moon back then because

24:05

Basically, all the tricks they did were based on it being

24:08

pitch black. So Did you have one

24:10

candle?

24:10

You know? Just a bit of atmosphere, one candle.

24:12

No. Do you wanna make the candles?

24:14

Because because you had things like sales trumpets,

24:17

which were these trumpets through which the

24:19

spirit spoke, they magnified their voices,

24:21

and they used to float around. In the middle

24:23

of the room and they'd have glowing rings on

24:25

their back end and front end. And

24:27

the way they floated was that a medium's

24:29

assistant would just be holding it up, but

24:31

he'd be wearing black. So

24:33

no one would see it. And it's like how

24:35

dark does it have to be that you

24:37

can't

24:37

see?

24:37

Yeah. This is what they all and the

24:40

ectoplasm probably the best thing about all

24:42

seances, the weird

24:44

like physical manifestation of spirits,

24:46

which was kind of white

24:49

stuff. Gooey. Gooey stuff that have

24:51

come out of orifices of the

24:53

medium. I mean, it's gotta be pretty

24:55

dark for you to think that's anything spooky

24:57

because usually it was Hanker achieves

24:59

that they would stick up their

25:01

nose as far as they could and then kind

25:03

of pull out. There was one amazing

25:06

medium, Mary m, who produced

25:09

exoplasm with photos of Arthur Conan

25:11

Doyle on it. So she said Arthur Conan Doyle's

25:13

coming out of my nose. This

25:15

is after he died, look at this, and then

25:17

pull this tissue out of her nose with a

25:19

photo of him on it, which someone pointed

25:21

out later was the same photo

25:23

a pin of newspaper about a week

25:26

earlier. Because obviously even stuck on --

25:28

Oh my god. -- these people. North Dakota

25:30

Doyle solved an incredible case.

25:32

Where someone was claiming that they'd contacted a celebrity

25:35

from the other side,

25:37

which was there was a book that

25:39

was released called the Mystery of Edwin

25:41

Drood. We've spoken about it before on the podcast. I

25:43

actually

25:43

read about this in my book as well. I I

25:45

got obsessed with -- Thank you. -- culture. About the theory

25:47

of everything else out now. Anyone

25:49

needs It's it's only available

25:52

selected stars. It's actually in most shots. So yeah.

25:54

And they have lots of copies. So if someone could

25:56

find one. But, no, I I

25:58

gotta assist with, there was a period where there

26:01

were people claiming because

26:03

seances were so massive that celebrities

26:05

who were dead Mark Twain, Charles

26:07

Dickens, All those were they were dictating

26:09

from the other side, new novels, new

26:11

works, and they would go on sale by real

26:13

publishers, and people would buy them. They'd be reviewed in the

26:15

New York Times. Even if skeptically, they got they got sort

26:17

of space. And there was one book

26:20

which was the mystery of Edwin Drood. It was the

26:22

final Charles Dickens book that he

26:24

never finished. And didn't leave any

26:26

notes of what had happened to the

26:28

character and who had killed Edwin

26:30

Drood. So a guy called TP James

26:32

actually finished the book by

26:34

contacting Dickens from the other

26:36

side. And he said, this is the final

26:38

book. They published it. There was a new forward

26:40

written by Dickens as well to

26:43

explain the process. They had a new book that

26:45

they were working on together called the Life and

26:47

Avengers of Bockley Whipple Heap.

26:49

It was a very exciting thing. And

26:51

it was it was Arthur Conan Doyle

26:53

who said he didn't contact Charles

26:55

Dickens. The reason Arthur Conan Doyle knew that

26:57

is because he himself did a seance in which

26:59

he contacted Charles Dickens and asked

27:02

him, did you finish this book? And he said, nope.

27:04

Wasn't me? I'm

27:06

Just on the the Weijer board.

27:08

I'm saying it right. Weijer. Weijer.

27:11

Weijer. Weijer. Weijer. Yeah.

27:13

So whenever I use it myself, there's two, there's

27:15

there's also just squeegee board, which is the

27:17

whole thing. Anyway, so it

27:19

was invented by someone called Helen Peters. She

27:21

was a medium And then there was an entrepreneur

27:24

called William Ford, who took over the business.

27:26

And so, you know, it was so

27:28

popular again around the time of the twenties

27:30

and thirties, At one point, he had several factories all

27:32

just churning out Wegibauds. Like,

27:34

they sold thousands and thousands and thousands

27:37

of them. And he only set up in such a big way because the

27:39

board had told him that they have

27:41

a big business. So Right.

27:43

Yeah. And then he but this is the really

27:45

spooky thing. He went up on the roof of one of

27:47

the factories to see a flagpole being

27:49

replaced. Right? And then

27:51

he fell off a dime. Oh

27:53

my god. He just fell

27:54

off. Yeah. Yeah.

27:56

Oh, okay. And then

27:56

did he he came back and said something? No. No.

27:59

No.

27:59

No. No. No.

28:01

No. No. No. No.

28:02

No. Oh, yeah. The reason I

28:04

think that

28:05

it's pronounced as Luigi is there's a Youtuber called

28:07

Sex Kick who went on

28:09

to Yahoo! Answers. And searched

28:11

for various different spellings of Luigi

28:14

Bard and found how do you make

28:16

a Luigi Bard? Have you

28:18

played the Luigi Bard and

28:20

can you burn on the Ouija board.

28:22

And it seems and quite a lot

28:23

more, and it seems like there's a lot of people in America who

28:25

think that it's not a Ouija board by the

28:27

Ouija board. Look at it. That's

28:30

coming through. Who are you?

28:32

It's somebody. Okay.

28:40

It is time for fact number

28:42

three and that is my fact.

28:44

My fact this week is that according

28:46

to his various biographers, Pythagoras

28:48

could talk with animals, be

28:50

in two places at once, had

28:53

a shiny golden leg,

28:55

and was able to tell fishermen the

28:58

exact number of fish they'd caught in their

29:00

net just by looking at

29:01

it. So this was a sign. I can do the

29:04

last

29:04

one, I reckon. Well,

29:05

it depends

29:05

how many there are. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm

29:08

Maybe not a tralemon. Yeah.

29:12

Two. It's

29:14

scary for that group. I'm

29:18

genuinely really shocked that we've done four

29:20

hundred plus episodes, and we've never

29:22

ever mentioned pythagoras. And I'm doubly

29:24

shocked that after all the years of us

29:26

doing this stuff. I didn't realize what

29:28

a mad life He

29:31

supposedly had according to the stories

29:33

of his life. We all know him for his

29:35

theorem very famously. He was a

29:37

mathematician, he was a philosopher, but I didn't realize

29:39

there was a cult around him that

29:41

sort of put him into a sort of

29:43

paranormal territory where he was able

29:45

to

29:45

reincarnate. And he he wasn't

29:48

really a mathematician either. That's the way III

29:50

thought he was a mathematician. He wasn't really he was kind of a mystic and then

29:52

-- Mhmm. -- cold leader and political

29:54

figure. And he I mean But that cold

29:56

were very into numbers weren't they? So without

29:58

you Yeah. Exactly. But when you look at it

30:00

maths related. So

30:03

they're master Jason. Now what are you doing

30:06

algebra? Great point.

30:06

Yeah. Oh, didn't you

30:09

get a

30:09

long way? Because Look

30:11

at the GCSE. But

30:14

no. He was but he wasn't really a

30:17

mathematicians' theorem. I've been come up with about a thousand

30:19

years before him. Yeah. You know?

30:21

Oh, actually, related to the first ever episode, we did

30:23

a fish. There's a pythagoras fact. Yeah. One

30:25

of the people who proved

30:27

pythagoras' theorem in a new way that

30:29

had never been demonstrated before was

30:33

President Gafil. President Gafil. Yes.

30:35

Really? Yeah.

30:36

Lying in that hospital bed being fed

30:38

through his ass. You gotta do something to

30:39

distract yourselves. Yep. That's a confusing

30:42

sentence if you haven't heard the first episode, the

30:44

first thing is official. You'll

30:46

just

30:46

have to go back and listen. You're going to talk to

30:49

her. Yeah. They were obsessed with numbers, as you say.

30:51

And numbers, every number had a different

30:53

personality. Now I don't know because I

30:55

couldn't find out anywhere how high up

30:57

this went. Because

30:59

it can't go forever. But

31:01

masculine numbers are odd numbers

31:03

and feminine numbers are even. Even

31:05

I consider the only perfect numbers.

31:08

Although odd ones are equated with

31:10

divinity. So all the genders are doing well out

31:12

of this. Oh,

31:14

yeah. Of course, we need the the feminine number is

31:16

two and the masculine number is three, and

31:18

then five is the marriage

31:19

number. But, yeah, all these numbers meant

31:22

specific things to them. Yeah. It

31:23

went about as think it went as far

31:25

as ten because they had to stay

31:27

far as it.

31:28

They had this special thing

31:30

where it's like can imagine like a

31:32

snooker ball triangle where you have one then

31:34

two, then three, then four, and that added

31:36

up to ten. This was very special to

31:38

them. Right. And they had a poem or

31:40

a hymn really blesses divine

31:43

number that who generated gods and men, the mother

31:45

of all, the all comprising, the all

31:47

bounding, the first born, the never

31:49

swerving, the never tiring holy

31:51

ten. Right. Yeah. They love ten.

31:53

Yeah. Yeah. And they love triangles.

31:56

Blake snooker must've been hell actually.

31:59

Nice. I are in. I get it the

32:01

right angle thing. What

32:02

do you what do you guys think he was like? Like,

32:04

let's imagine we're living in the time.

32:07

Okay. Well, I I can say so, like,

32:09

a lot of the things that you've said there

32:11

about the golden thigh and the lion's

32:13

animals, they were written much much like Exactly.

32:15

But some of the things that were written

32:17

at the time when he was alive, they said

32:19

that he did believe that the souls

32:21

of humans could return his animals.

32:23

Yes. So he did believe in reincarnation.

32:25

We know that because people said at the

32:27

time, and also that he, you know, he

32:29

had his own kind of

32:30

wisdom, he had his own kind of learning. So

32:32

we know all that of stuff happened.

32:35

Golden

32:35

Leg, maybe

32:36

that would. You know, okay. So what about is the

32:38

because it's a story about a dog. And it's a

32:40

so he he was passing someone in the street

32:42

he he believed that, you know, people could come back in

32:45

the form of animals and all this, as you just

32:47

said. So he once stopped someone who was beating

32:49

a small dog in the street because

32:51

he recognized in the bark who

32:53

should be in the colosseum. No.

32:55

He recognized in the bark of the boy voice of a

32:57

friend of his who died. They've then been reborn

32:59

as a puppy. Yeah. Which does kind

33:01

the whole story does kind of imply that if he hadn't recognized

33:03

-- Yeah. -- marking as a friend of

33:05

his, he wouldn't have Leave it. What I don't think was a mess. Must

33:07

have been a bad dog? Yeah. Just leave it. But

33:09

what does what

33:10

does he then do with the dog?

33:12

It's

33:12

if we don't you're trying to do a very different

33:14

kind of talk show type of pod

33:16

car, Jerry Springer style. We don't know what he was

33:18

doing. No. I didn't know that. What's the

33:21

dilemma? Sorry at this. My friend

33:23

is a dog. My friend's a

33:24

dog. Stop eating the dog. Okay. I'll stop beating it.

33:26

Wouldn't you be like, Greg? What's

33:29

up? Come hang out. Have dinner at

33:31

all? Are you just gonna be like, see

33:33

you buddy. Enjoy your new life. Great time.

33:36

Yeah. Fox, you're a dog. I

33:38

catch a ladder. Stop harming

33:40

my leg. You never did that before. Sure.

33:44

He he did love numbers, but

33:47

he hated irrational numbers

33:49

or at least he didn't believe they

33:51

existed. So is that why they're called

33:53

irrational because he was so irrational about He

33:55

had an irrational

33:56

loading of them. Sorry. They're the ones that go

33:58

on forever. So

33:59

they're they're numbers that you can't be

34:01

expressed as a fraction or a ratio, which

34:03

I only realized when I was doing this

34:05

research, haven't gotten into this. Ir, rational,

34:08

I ratio. They're numbers that you can't express

34:10

as a

34:11

ratio. So It's six

34:14

over two.

34:14

Yeah. You if you can't believe we can't believe we're

34:17

all thinking about that. Twenty if you

34:19

take twenty two divided by

34:21

seven, it gets to quite close to three point one four something,

34:23

but it doesn't get to pay which is three point 141

34:26

blah blah blah blah

34:27

blah, which goes on forever.

34:29

And that would be irrational number. And he didn't

34:32

believe in them because he loved finite

34:34

numbers. And they were on a boat

34:36

one day on a cruise or

34:38

something. And One of his

34:40

followers called hippasus proved

34:42

the existence of irrational numbers by saying

34:44

the square root of two is one

34:46

which not is

34:47

one. Is one is one. This is why I got no

34:50

further GCSE.

34:54

And he, according to

34:56

reports, was tossed overboard.

34:58

Yeah.

34:59

Really. They

35:00

gotta be careful for distract

35:02

teachers. Wasn't they killed him? Yeah. They killed

35:04

him. Killed him for proving that

35:05

the the square root of two, is it a rational number?

35:07

Yeah. Supposedly. Yeah. But

35:08

he had anymore at the bank. But

35:10

he leaved in reincarnation. So he probably thought

35:13

he'd bump into the horseback. Yeah. As

35:15

a cat Sorry. Yeah. Dude, I

35:17

don't know what happened with my temper that day,

35:19

but he was like, wow. It was a

35:21

fun cruise

35:21

though, wasn't it one that was it? he joined his cult, you had to say

35:24

nothing for five years. And that was how

35:26

you got to the next level of

35:28

the cult. Okay.

35:30

And also he has

35:31

done

35:31

four years in eleven months.

35:34

That's a tough one, isn't it? And you bag your

35:36

butt. Yeah.

35:38

But he's he had a system for

35:40

his followers. Right? So there were the mathematicoi who

35:43

were the senior followers. Right?

35:45

And would meet them in person and he would discuss

35:48

proper maths with them at hard maths and, you know, they

35:50

would they would think a lot and they'd do a lot of, you

35:52

know, they'd do the

35:54

big stuff. And they they had to make sacrifices. They had to give up

35:56

meat, women, they're all

35:58

men, and private possessions. Okay? So that's the

36:00

senior tier. And they never touched

36:02

white roosters. Is

36:04

that true? Yep. Wow. Okay.

36:06

I'm

36:07

out. Look. You'll have to give

36:09

up meat, women, and private possessions. It's fine.

36:11

It's fine. Anything else?

36:13

There's one thing. Come out. A

36:16

couple

36:16

more rules. Okay. Don't eat your

36:20

brain. Don't

36:21

eat your brain.

36:21

That's gonna find out really anything else, but I suppose that's all you need

36:23

to know. Don't break

36:26

bread. Don't poke fire with

36:28

a sword. Never

36:30

urinate into the sun. I

36:34

I've heard dope urinate into the wind.

36:37

And into the sun, you might put it

36:40

out. And we say

36:42

that they couldn't eat honey meats, which

36:44

was most True. Right. But they did still sacrifice whenever

36:46

they proved a mathematical formula.

36:52

I'm

36:52

sorry. What am I being sacrificed for again?

36:54

Morning. It's to a peace of

36:56

God or something. This this doesn't sound important.

37:00

You're being put

37:01

into a pie. Oh my

37:03

god. Thank you, man. That's so

37:06

fucking

37:07

nice to know.

37:08

That's the best joke you'll have

37:09

for months. But then he

37:11

also had these junior tier followers who

37:13

like people who

37:16

basically hadn't scribed, and he they were called the Acousticali. Is this

37:18

like a Patreon? It was a Patreon. It

37:20

was, like, genuinely, he had a subscription service, like, so

37:22

the Mathematicsicali were

37:24

were in.

37:25

And then the Akhuzmaticoy, he would

37:27

only speak to them from behind

37:29

the

37:29

curtain. Wow. And they weren't

37:31

allowed to see his face and they couldn't learn

37:33

any proper maths, like any detailed maths. But was that that

37:35

was really because he wasn't the real, was it divorce?

37:37

Was he? He was just an old man.

37:40

Yeah. Yeah. But this this thing of him

37:42

hiding behind the curtain so that you

37:44

couldn't see him as he was talking. There's there

37:46

is one of the stories of his death is

37:48

directly associated with that. So

37:51

someone on the lower Patreon level was part

37:53

of that who couldn't see his

37:55

face, got so angry that he couldn't

37:57

see him. He was furious

37:59

that he burnt down his house and then

38:01

put pythagoras's house down and then he chased him

38:04

into a field. So pythagoras

38:06

was in

38:08

the lead he's going good. He gets to the field. He's escaping this

38:10

man. This is how the story goes. And then

38:12

he notices that the field

38:14

is full

38:16

of beans. And pythagris refuses to step on beans

38:18

because he believes that beans, who much

38:20

like dogs, are the

38:22

reincarnation rare I

38:25

thought what you're gonna say is that the guy's

38:28

chasing him went around two sides of the

38:30

field. He was diagonally

38:32

across it.

38:32

So so he gets to

38:34

the field of beans and he stops

38:36

and he thinks, I can't step on these beans.

38:39

I'll kill the beans with my

38:41

finger, man. So the man catches up. And

38:43

rather than going fuck it, I'll just stamp

38:45

on some, you

38:46

know, beans. He just stands there

38:48

while the man cuts his throat and kills him, and a

38:50

death of Pizagris according to one of any I think there's another version of

38:52

the story where loads of his followers gave their own

38:54

lives so that Patagro go that

38:57

goes, go go. You must go. We'll give up our lives.

38:59

Well, we're killed. Ron, this is still gets to the

39:01

head to the beach field. This is I can't

39:04

do it. I can sacrifice

39:06

them. I can't sacrifice you, my

39:08

beauty friends. He

39:12

supposedly had the

39:13

power to write words on the face

39:15

of the moon. Oh,

39:18

yeah. And

39:21

I forgot to write anything more about

39:23

that. I said, did he ever

39:25

do that or

39:28

was it would love to tell you how that's right. That's just that's a

39:30

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39:32

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39:34

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I need to move us on to

41:31

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41:33

our final fact and that is

41:36

James.

41:36

Okay. My this week is when

41:39

the website health dot com

41:41

listed the fattiest foods in every

41:43

state in the US entrance

41:46

included North Carolina's livermush,

41:49

New York's garbage

41:51

plate, and Indiana's

41:53

fried brain sandwich

41:54

See,

41:55

they never read Piecyte person Indiana. So, yeah,

41:57

this

41:58

is a

41:59

fact just about costing

42:02

things you can eat in America. Yeah. The fried brain

42:03

sandwich sounds. Yeah.

42:06

Weirdly, like, the others are slightly you've

42:08

missed it. Well, not even that you've missed it

42:11

fried brain sandwiches are literally exactly what

42:13

they sound like. Oh, okay.

42:15

They're brain. Well, it used

42:17

to be cow brains, but after my cow

42:19

disease came in, they're now pig

42:22

brains. One little tip, if

42:24

you when you bread the brains,

42:26

as in you put the breadcrumbs on there, make

42:28

sure you have cold

42:30

hands otherwise. They can fall apart. So that's a little bit of a tip.

42:32

And the best place to get them is

42:34

hilltop inn in

42:36

Evansville

42:37

and that has been dubbed recently. In twenty actually,

42:40

the manliest restaurants

42:42

in America. Know

42:45

I'm a man, but I actually want my restaurant to be manly.

42:48

No. It's never it's not even in my top

42:50

five criteria for a restaurant. Shall

42:52

we

42:52

go? Chinese on Mandarin.

42:55

Exactly. This list is incredible though. It's got I

42:58

mean, is it so you're at some of the, you

43:00

know, the most amazing sounding ones. But even the even the other things on it, the

43:02

Colorado, the Jack and Grill's seven

43:04

pound breakfast burrito is the least

43:06

healthy food

43:08

in Colorado. Connecticut, the two foot long hotdog, which and these aren't just

43:10

in one place. Lots of them are available in lots of

43:12

different places. Yeah. Does the

43:14

Quadruple bypass

43:16

burger? Eight thousand

43:18

calories. I've had

43:20

some of one of them. Happy view. Yeah. In

43:22

Vegas. Right? It's not impressive to have had

43:24

some of one of them. Yeah. Let

43:26

me put your photo

43:28

on the wall for that, mate.

43:30

I'll put some of

43:32

your photo on the wall.

43:35

Did you hear about the Lutha Burger? It's

43:37

Georgia in the south. This isn't right. It's a

43:39

normal burger. The Lutha Burger is a normal

43:41

burger. It's got egg, it's got bacon, and it's got

43:44

cheese as well as the burger. So far,

43:46

so meh. But it's not

43:48

served between

43:48

a bun. Can you guess? Luther,

43:51

between two church

43:53

doors. That's right. Yeah.

43:57

It's

43:57

between the

43:58

door. It fills the gap between the north

44:00

and south doors of the transe. It's

44:03

amazing. No. It's someone at some of the audience mummered

44:05

actually. It's it's between two Crispy

44:07

Cream Glazed donuts. Oh. Oh,

44:09

yeah. Where's that part

44:12

of his protestant theology. Do

44:13

not think. It was the ninety

44:15

six year old. Yeah.

44:18

Yeah. Yeah.

44:20

Yeah. Shall I just quickly say the other two very quickly? Yeah. Yeah.

44:23

Yeah. Sorry. Livermush is

44:25

a savory sliced loaf made

44:27

from pork liver scrap meat

44:30

often from a pig's head, spices and cornmeal.

44:32

Nice. Okay. And they have

44:34

a livermush eating contest. In

44:38

wherever it was in North Carolina every

44:40

year. They also have a

44:42

livermuch

44:42

pagent, but in last year's Yeah.

44:45

Yeah. Yeah. Because there's to go, what? I mean, are

44:47

the floats are there? It's it's really

44:49

feels like putting

44:49

lipstick on a pig. Really

44:52

trying to

44:54

make that attractive.

44:55

It's basically a festival and they have lots of things, but they have

44:57

basically the local children

45:00

or young

45:01

women that kind of dresses

45:03

livermush. They

45:04

just dresses. Is it like a

45:05

livermush queen? They'll have to do that. Exactly. That's the

45:08

kind of thing.

45:08

Yeah. And they live much eating contest where

45:11

last year the winner managed to

45:13

eat sun.

45:15

And garbage plates in is from Rochester,

45:18

New York, and it's basically This actually

45:20

sounds really good. It's a choice of

45:22

any meats, so even though I

45:24

am vegetarian, but let's pretend

45:26

I'm not It's like hamburgers, hot dogs, sausages, or any kind of

45:28

stuff. You shove a lot of french fries on

45:30

it, shove a lot of beans on it,

45:32

macaroni cheese, and then cover it in a

45:34

special

45:35

sauce. That actually sounds quite

45:37

good to me. Really depends on the special

45:38

sauce. It does well. I think

45:40

it's hot sauce. Okay. Yeah.

45:43

I love we've mentioned it before, James. You've

45:46

been there, but I just love read about

45:48

it every single time, which is the disgusting

45:50

food museum in

45:52

Malmo, Sweden. And it just collects food that is

45:54

utterly 462. And James, you tried a few

45:56

things there, which -- Yeah. -- tasted

45:58

horrible. I was reading an article by a guy who

46:00

went there

46:02

in twenty nineteen called Arthur De Mayer. And he described

46:04

sort of he gave a bit more of

46:06

a sort of explanation about these particular foods.

46:08

So you can have an Icelandic shark dish there.

46:11

Called hackarle. Mhmm. And he said it was

46:14

eating it was like knowing on three

46:16

week old cheese from the

46:18

garbage that had also been

46:20

pissed on by every dog in the

46:21

neighborhood. That was one thing he had here. I had

46:23

that there by the way. Yeah. I did. Did

46:25

you vomit? No. I didn't vomit at all

46:27

for many of them, actually. Although,

46:30

I retched quite a

46:30

lot. Does that count know? But the

46:33

Hakan was funny because the guy told

46:35

me that it was seeped

46:38

in urine. And I get it

46:40

and you could really believe it, taste it. It

46:42

did taste like piss. Right. And

46:44

then I actually put it in a QA

46:46

script and it turned out to be completely

46:48

true untrue. It was just it was

46:50

a natural yeariny taste that it

46:52

had. It didn't they didn't add any

46:54

urine until we cut it. Yeah. There

46:56

were there's another one, the South

46:58

Korean wine, you drink that? Actually, I think that's behind a sort

47:00

of glass because it's more Part of

47:01

feces. You have fresh herds

47:04

of children specifically.

47:06

And the owner of the museum, one of the founders

47:08

of the museum, he actually went about

47:11

scooping up his eight year old

47:13

daughter's poo in

47:15

order to make this concrete. That doesn't count. It's like if

47:17

you're buying it from South Korea is a special thing, that's

47:20

one thing. If you're actually making

47:22

it from your own home

47:24

brew, different But it says it

47:25

to be fresh. A no turd is gonna

47:28

be fresh by the time it's gone from South Korea

47:30

to Sweden. I don't think I don't think that's

47:32

ever fresh.

47:34

That's not They they absolutely

47:36

knew. That's

47:38

true. I

47:41

see what

47:41

you're saying. Like, if they like, if you're at a

47:44

fresh deli, you wouldn't expect to see it

47:45

with you. Yeah. They're safe. At least

47:47

five days after their best before

47:49

date. telling Okay. Okay. Gosh. And so

47:52

I I got slight got slight distracted from

47:54

this because someone wrote in

47:56

actually to the podcast

47:58

email account. Pokastokyo

48:00

dot com. And it was this

48:02

is from Evelyn

48:03

Kelly. And it's the Oklahoma has

48:05

a state

48:06

state you know,

48:07

these official state things they have. There's lots of absolutely

48:08

mad stuff. So Oklahoma's state

48:10

state is the rib eye steak.

48:13

The state drink is

48:16

milk. They've this is a complete

48:18

brackets, but they've got a state astronomical

48:20

object, which is the

48:22

rosette Nebula five thousand light years away. I've no idea

48:24

why. Feels like

48:26

what's such an unreciprocated relation?

48:30

Back. Twin Disc.

48:32

And they've but they've also got it right. This

48:34

is this is what sort of brought me back to the actual

48:36

fact, which is the state meal. Okay?

48:39

And the steak meal is this, is

48:41

some chicken fried steak followed by

48:43

barbecued pork, followed by fried

48:45

okra, squash, cornbread,

48:48

grits, corn, sausage with biscuits and

48:49

gravy, black eyed peas,

48:52

strawberries, and pecan pie.

48:54

That's the state meal. Cool.

48:58

Hey. Yeah. That's a lot of that sounds

49:00

good. Just not in the course of one meal.

49:02

Actually, I'm just speaking of, like, many

49:04

courses with meals. There is

49:06

a footballer called Robert Levandowski who

49:08

plays for

49:09

Poland. And whenever he eats a three cost meal,

49:12

he always eats his

49:14

dessert

49:14

first. Isn't that cool? Does

49:15

he have a reason for it?

49:16

Yes. His Benjamin Button, isn't

49:17

he? This is

49:20

a newish kind

49:24

of diet. And the idea is you eat a very fatty

49:26

dessert and then you eat your main

49:28

cost and then you eat your starter. And

49:30

the idea

49:32

is What happens is if you eat a normal meal, you have your starch in your

49:34

main course and then the dessert will come and it

49:36

looks really good and you're like, oh, go on then

49:39

I'll have it. And you find extra space for it, but people

49:41

are less inclined to do that for

49:43

their starter. And they tend to

49:45

choose better main courses

49:48

as well. And so there was a study done with people who

49:50

were either told to eat in the

49:52

normal order or they could have

49:54

a cheesecake and then choose their main

49:56

and choose

49:58

their stata or they could have some fruits and then

50:00

choose their main and then their starter. And they

50:02

found that the people who ate the cheesecake

50:04

first have thirty percent

50:06

fewer calories than anyone else in the meal,

50:08

and that includes a really fatty dessert that

50:10

they

50:10

had. That's brilliant.

50:11

That's amazing. Yeah. It's like a trick.

50:13

It's like you're tricking your mind.

50:15

Yeah.

50:15

We we just cracked it, haven't we? That's you

50:18

just cracked the whole

50:19

food thing. That's

50:22

amazing. The whole food thing. Wow.

50:23

If that works, retire. You think I've had a

50:26

sticky toffee pudding, so I think

50:26

I'll just have a salad for the main thing. You want

50:29

to

50:29

finish your

50:29

meal with

50:32

a nice bowl of soup. Paul, would you rather finish with the chocolate cake? I'd rather finish

50:34

with the starter. A starter

50:34

is everyone's favorite course, isn't it? Oh,

50:37

okay. Nope. See? Yeah.

50:39

Yeah. Okay. Way fewer

50:40

than a third of the people in the room said, yes.

50:42

Sorry. You're

50:43

not proof. You'll always get

50:45

at least one year.

50:46

So you're you are one of those people who goes

50:48

to restaurants, who goes, oh, I think I might have twelve stars. A

50:50

quiz question. Oh. Alright.

50:53

Great. Can you guys name?

50:56

A processed food product that the Earl of Sandwich

50:58

was responsible for inventing.

51:02

Okay. We're not gonna Oh, I'm

51:04

sorry. Process products, a pro

51:06

a 462 or drink

51:07

product. Oh, fuck. I'll give it

51:09

away. Yeah.

51:11

Or drinks did you

51:13

say? Yeah. worries. It's been

51:14

a liquid ice sandwich. It's

51:17

the M and S new

51:20

liquid sandwich. It's

51:22

fizzy drinks. What?

51:23

Yeah. Uh-huh.

51:24

So he commissioned Joseph previously, the

51:27

chemist, to to work on ways of making

51:29

stale water more palatable keep

51:32

water lasting longer because of ships. Ships would have stale

51:34

water. It would go horrible. It's a problem.

51:36

People don't wanna drink their water aboard so they,

51:38

you know, they might be dehydrated.

51:40

So he hired Joseph Bristy and Joseph Bristy created carbonated

51:43

water. And it, as a

51:45

result, is slightly acidic carbonated water. So

51:47

it's that means it's slightly

51:50

antimicrobial and it means it lasts

51:52

longer. So that is

51:54

actually the product that he

51:56

kind of responsible for And the sandwich

51:58

was way, way earlier, and he just

52:00

popularized it. Yeah. You got my remembers. I

52:02

got married in the room where he

52:04

invented the sandwich. Did

52:05

you? No. No. It's

52:07

such a

52:07

cheap meal

52:08

as well. No. Interesting

52:12

fact, everyone, while you're eating your

52:14

ham sandwich. It's

52:15

a homage. Enjoy your glass of Coke. Can I

52:18

just say, Andy,

52:20

you guys

52:21

are available for purchase? Which

52:24

will be a meal deal which you can pay

52:26

for when you leave. It's not a free wedding, I

52:28

should have mentioned. Andy said to us

52:31

before the show

52:31

started, guys. I'm gonna tell a

52:34

personal anecdote

52:35

tonight. Was

52:36

that your personal anecdote? It

52:39

was

52:39

my personal anecdote. Pretty

52:40

good game, sir. I said, boy.

52:43

He never tells anything. That

52:45

was huge insight. It

52:47

was very brave. Wow. Well done. Well, the guy

52:50

from the council made such heavy weather of it in the

52:52

room on the

52:52

day. It was privately more of a sandwich

52:55

talk than a wedding. It wasn't it wasn't most

52:57

of the ceremony. Yeah. I

52:58

think we're home.

53:00

And do you wish to be sandwiched

53:02

between the holy laws of Matrimony. Can

53:06

I just mention one other

53:08

food 462 American state food

53:10

that I didn't know about. Again, we'll be very

53:12

familiar with people from these places. But in

53:14

places like Oregon and Washington

53:16

state, there's now

53:18

it's spelled

53:18

GE0DUCKGE0DUCK.

53:21

Goo duk. Goo duk.

53:24

Weird to

53:24

start with is goo duk. Spell

53:27

completely the wrong way. And I've never seen

53:29

one. They're the biggest borrowing clams

53:32

in the

53:32

world. And they look they've got kind

53:34

of a normal ish size clamshell about size

53:36

of your palm. And then it looks like Looks like a

53:38

slugs coming out of

53:39

it. Right? Cool. Yeah. But it looks like a

53:41

slug who's tried on

53:44

a dress twelve sizes too small for it. It's

53:46

coming out of it. You've gotta slug the

53:48

length of most of your arm coming

53:50

out of this bulging out of this

53:52

tiny shell.

53:54

I mean, it looks so phallic there. It's very hard to get around the fact

53:56

that it is. And this

53:58

is a delicacy. They live up

54:00

to a hundred and fifty years.

54:02

So and the entire lives are, they're born, they burrow really

54:05

deep with their shell into the sand. And the reason

54:07

they've got this huge phthalates on them is so that

54:09

it can stick up and

54:12

just pop out of the sand on the bottom of the seabed. Wow. So it

54:14

can collect

54:14

up what it needs. The film wait, the phthalates

54:17

is collected.

54:17

Oh, no. No. It's not

54:19

a phthalates. It looks like a

54:20

fella. Oh, sorry. I haven't got

54:22

a fella. Sorry. Yes. Yes. It's his mouth. Limey. And it's

54:25

it's a side fit.

54:28

And he's gonna be doing

54:30

some

54:31

googling for that. It's

54:35

already creepy sloken. It's not a fellas. It's a mouth. I don't

54:37

know why. Who's sloken

54:40

is that? It's

54:43

the slogan of the gooey

54:46

duck. Yeah.

54:48

It's a so it's actually a

54:49

siphon. So it sheds salty liquids, actually, that it doesn't need

54:52

anymore, in fact, indoors. I

54:54

know it looks like a fan is shedding

54:56

salty liquids. But I assure

54:58

you, ladies and gentlemen, it is a

55:00

mouth.

55:01

If it gooey to looks like a

55:04

palace, it

55:05

acts like a palace. Look, we've

55:08

run over ID to wrap us up. Okay. That

55:10

is it. That is all of our facts.

55:12

Thank you so much for listening.

55:15

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55:47

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55:52

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55:54

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55:58

Goodbye.