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Hello,

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and welcome to another episode of no

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such thing as a fish a weekly podcast

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coming to you from the QI offices in Coverant

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Garden. My name is Dan Schreiber. I'm sitting

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here with Anna Tysinski, Andrew Hunter

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Murray and James Harkin. And once again,

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we have gathered ground the microphones with our

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four favorite facts from the last seven

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days. And in a particular order.

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Here we go. Starting

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with fact number one and that is my

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fact. My fact this week is that to

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combat people sleep during church,

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priests used to employ a sluggered

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waker who would walk around the congregation

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poking people awake with a very

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long

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stick. Brilliant. Yeah.

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This is an amazing thing. I

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was

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We did that job, Andy. I think it sounds quite

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fun. Yeah. It does. We wouldn't make

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many friends. But you're not in the business to

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make friends. So

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you're not in the business. Keep people awake, listening

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to the sermon. Exactly. I reckon you'd be

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great at it. Yeah. Why you've just got

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authority about you and we all respect you so much.

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I already put it like that. I suppose, yeah, I will

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be a prettiest look. You think I

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like correcting people from minor minor

1:16

errors they've made. Yeah.

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And you really piss people off. So so it's

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not You're

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not losing anything. You know, people I've

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already got a zero status in this society.

1:25

Yeah. That's okay to

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the right anyway. I'm disliked enough that it

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doesn't matter if I'm Yeah. How do you

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always walk around with a massive stick? Proud

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people with it. Actually, that's an even better

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reason. Yeah. How long was the stick? Do

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we know? Well, in some cases, they'd be ten feet

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long because you've got long pewds don't

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you? Very long pews. So if you got someone

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at the end of the pew and you need reach them, you've

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got your stick needing to That's just like a wake

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of saying. Isn't it? I would touch him with a ten foot

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pole. I

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read about this in a book that I was checking

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out called Old Church Life by a guy called William

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Andrews. And it's a it's a

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very old book and it's full of really odd

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quirky little nuggets about the church

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back in the day and and so these people

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would be

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paid. Good money to go around. Well,

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it's money.

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Well but money.

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Yeah. Yeah. They're paid. I think I think they're

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the

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wealthiest as high as people were in society,

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but Yeah. They weren't. Although some of them were

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given a small amount of land to live on

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near the church. Nice. And

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in one case, there's a place called Yule

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Grove in the Midlands, and they had one

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who was entitled to a hat -- Mhmm.

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-- as well as the small wage.

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And in one in Wake field who also got

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hats,

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shoes, and hoses.

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Well,

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it's part

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of the shoes. They turned sleep field

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into wake field. Brilliant. That's what they

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had on their backs.

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It is a part time job. You wouldn't expect it to

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pay a full salary. It's only when there's

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terminal isn't it? Absolutely. Yeah. But

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often they did other things, other jobs as well, and

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that was just a bit of it. But sometimes

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women got separate treatment, not nicer

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treatment. So sometimes that they'd

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have a stick with a knob on one end

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and a little brush on the

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other. And as a woman, you got a little tickle.

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Whereas a man, you got knobs around face.

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Yeah. Everyday sexism. There's a guy called

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Obadiah Turner wrote

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a journal. He was from Massachusetts living

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around sixteen forties. And

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he in particular had a foxes

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tail on one side of his stick.

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And on the other one, he had a long thorn

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which she used to prick people. Oh,

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it is. There wasn't just a little whack around

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the head. He actually stabbed you with it.

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And he said there was someone called mister Tomkins

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who fell asleep, and he pricked

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him with his long prick. Mhmm. And the

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guy woke up and said, fuck's the woodchuck?

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And apparently, he'd been dreaming about

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a woodchuck biting his hand when

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actually, you know when you're asleep and you kind

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of integrate the alarm into your

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dream. Yes. But

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that's what he'd done. Was it it's

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his it's his same

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bastard woodchuck. Bus the woodchuck.

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That's a good

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It's a good church appropriate sweater.

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Yeah. Yeah. You haven't It's a mid south,

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isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Do you think it was more or less annoying for the priest

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giving the sermon that rather than have people

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falling asleep quite It was just a constant

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cacophony of

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Oh, fuck. That's

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a good point.

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That's a good point. I'm not it was about being

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denied so much as the people in

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the church are supposed to be listening to the word of God.

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Exactly. Yeah. So who's

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got ultimate authority over the system? Is it the

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slugger waker has autonomy and is allowed

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to basically stand at the front and see

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people falling asleep? Or does the priests have to

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say there? PU

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three seat four. No. The

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the priest is doing his gig. Yeah. You've got Okay.

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-- sluggards there to make sure it all goes

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smoothly. That was a skill of the job

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short is the only skill of the job is

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spotting the sleeping people. If this priest doesn't keep

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telling

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you, then you're being fired. Here's an person who

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needed a bit of skill, a betty finch, who

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was a sluggled waker in Warrington.

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She was known locally as the Bobber

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because the way that she woke people up is she had

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a fishing rod she had a little

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bob like a little weight on the end of her fishing

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rod as she used to swing it around

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and wake people up and was very deaf with

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the

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rod. And

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if you did it repeatedly, she got a hook into

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your week and just reel you up.

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She was the only I found a

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few names of the actual people going that up. She was the

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only woman with the job I

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found. There's only

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a very sort of male dominated industry.

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Yeah.

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And as I said, they did often have other roles

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in the church, and they want them to seem to be dog

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whipping -- Yeah. -- which is an important thing to

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do because in church services, in

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times of your and we're we're talking about a long period of

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times long of wake has existed. I think Yeah. Yeah.

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Sixty five years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

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So farmers would often, if they're going to church,

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they'd be like, well, I'm gonna use this chance to bring on

5:34

my sheep, sell them at market. So

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they go, sell the sheep at market. Go

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to church and they've got their sheep dogs in

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church. So you've just got a bunch of sheep dogs running

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around. So yeah, the slugger

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waker also whips the dogs out of the church.

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During services. Well, can

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we give the the proper name of this

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position? The NOK Nobler? The

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NOK Nobler.

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The person who has to chase the dogs out of church.

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Distracting

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I would have thought. That's like

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the Benny Hill show down there. Yeah.

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Yeah. No. No. That's the NOx novel. Or the dog

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noper. That was another one. It

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just has to get it there and whip the dogs, and they

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have special tools as well. So the dog

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the dog whipper, who might also

6:11

be the slugger waker, was sometimes

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issued with a special set of tongs for

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those hard to reach dogs. Mhmm. If the dog

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is hidden in a a crevasse or something

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in the church. You'd have to use the tongs.

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Yeah. I assume that. We have been this

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is really exciting. We've been somewhere

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which has a dog whippers flat.

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Okay? A flat. A flat like an

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apartment. Oh, right. So we've

6:32

been somewhere. Was it the Sydney

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opera house That's right. Yeah.

6:37

Very late with you when it was being

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built. They thought that's just okay. No. It's Exeter.

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We went to Baxter on tour last year. Yeah.

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And just got a cathedral, a

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lovely cathedral, which I visited. Didn't

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see any of you guys

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there? No,

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praying. Well,

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we had confidence in our research.

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We didn't really feel like we had to go

6:57

get help from the almighty. It was all my Please

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go. Please, obviously. Be

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one good fact about lasagna. Well,

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it's not an actual apartment. It's a it's a room,

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but it is a room it's really

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nicely placed rooms. So as you go into the

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cathedral, it's just above you there. And it

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looks out onto the nave. It's a viewing spot

7:15

basically. So you can you know, be

7:17

on twenty four hour shift looking for dogs in the

7:19

cathedral. Well, and

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then you have to just send quickly as soon as you

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see a dog. Yeah. There's a poll. You

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slide down it. Yeah.

7:26

Swing on the zipline.

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Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. You think

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that's where whippets come from. They

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maybe were the worst behaved --

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Yeah. -- whippets. And you needed to whippet. Yeah.

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Of them. Oh, really. Definitely

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the origin. I think it did

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really use to piss priests off

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by the way. I know we're saying would they go through

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the the it it really did and

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there was in in American Boston

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in the sixteen hundreds, there

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was such fury from a priest

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over there that he suggested that

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a cage be made so that you

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would drag the sleeping person into it

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and cage them up like a bird and

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just let them have to wake up and deal with that.

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And that was off the back of someone being woken

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up and in a rage attacking

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the slugger waker or Tithing

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man is a They're often

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tied. Tithing. Tithing and Is it often called

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in America? I think all that. Interesting.

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Why? Because

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the time is the bit of your income you give to

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the church. Yeah.

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The tenth is growing. Probably as well as doing

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this. They collected the money.

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Yeah. They're actually very busy people,

8:24

the slugger whales. Yeah. They also rang the

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curfew bell. So we

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had in this country tree,

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a curfew bell against early

8:33

medieval times -- Okay. -- which was I

8:35

think the original name

8:37

of it was to keep people

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from having, like, rebellious, seditious

8:41

meetings. Mhmm. But anyway, it was quite useful

8:43

because it stopped fires because curfew literally

8:45

coming from the French, I think, to cover the

8:47

fire, cover for is

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like time to cover your fires now. And

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it tended to be eight

8:53

o'clock. And so at eight PM

8:55

every evening, then you'd have the curfew bell wrong.

8:57

Because, like, have your lights and go to bed

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early. Even for Andy, who's like

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-- Yes. -- famously not a Nightail. You

9:03

wouldn't want to have to be in the eight o'clock

9:05

everyday. Even I normally make it to the

9:07

watershed at night PM. What half

9:09

an hour routine be. Thank

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you bet. Praying for

9:14

your sins of watching in after this.

9:16

Have

9:16

you guys heard of the role of the

9:18

bagger bagger?

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Bagger Banger. Banger. It's a Banger.

9:22

Yeah. No. What's up? It's not as

9:24

exciting as it sounds. Is

9:26

someone who was responsible for controlling the length

9:28

of stay of any unwanted strangers in

9:30

the

9:30

parish. Okay. I would known as the

9:33

beggar banger. Was that employed by the church?

9:35

Because I not a very church. Churchy, welcoming

9:37

thing to do. As a church, you are supposed

9:39

to embrace particularly beggars

9:41

and pulpers on

9:41

you. Oh,

9:42

charity has his limits at As Jesus

9:46

said, do you guys

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are you guys aware of acts of the apostles

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chapter twenty first seven to twelve?

9:53

Can you just They are not gonna stop

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me off at all. Okay. So Paul

9:58

was preaching. Oh, yeah. Okay. And he was

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preaching. He's doing the speech. There's a very

10:02

long speech. There's

10:04

a guy called Yutikis. And

10:07

Yutikis was listening, but it was really, really

10:09

boring speech. So he fell asleep in

10:11

the middle of St. Paul's preaching.

10:14

And as he fell

10:15

asleep, he fell out of a third floor

10:17

window and died. Oh.

10:19

So

10:20

this is

10:21

what the bible says will happen to you if you

10:23

fall asleep while someone's preaching. And that's

10:25

why churches are always on the ground floor.

10:26

Yeah. You bet get very the top

10:29

of skyscraper. Yeah. Just thinking

10:30

a third floor window is pretty is a risky

10:32

place to risk falling asleep.

10:34

Well, quite. Yeah. Probably

10:37

don't sit there if St. Paul's doing this

10:39

thing. Anyway, luckily,

10:41

Paul went down, picked him

10:43

up, brought him upstairs and said,

10:45

oh, don't worry, he's fine.

10:47

Even though everyone could see he was

10:49

dead. But then a bit later, he

10:51

did come back alive. Oh. But

10:53

any planation

10:54

on that. You just It's the bible,

10:56

Dan. That's the kind of thing that happens in

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the bible. Is very common. I've

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read this book. Have

11:00

you guys heard of Pew Openers? As

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a job. No. No. A pew opener

11:05

was someone who basically was an usher. He would

11:07

collect you at the front. He would walk you to your

11:09

pew, and they used to have little doors. And he

11:11

would open up the door. And he would

11:13

allow you to not have to do that on your

11:15

own and he got paid a very minimal amount

11:17

for doing that and you could

11:19

also pure

11:19

rent. So you could rent the actual row

11:21

that you wanted. You know, it was con he was

11:23

a concierge kind of character. Quite

11:24

interesting because if you go to church,

11:27

you'll find that the same people every

11:29

week go to the same church. Right? And they

11:31

all tend to sit in the same places.

11:33

And if a new person

11:35

comes into the church and sits in one of those

11:37

places, there are productions. Do you think the

11:39

few open I would say excuse me. I

11:41

think that's actually where madam because

11:44

you certainly in I imagine

11:46

he did this mostly for the wealthy families. They

11:48

would have their own views where they would

11:50

sit. Yeah. And he would be the one guiding them.

11:52

Well, keep

11:52

them. Have you guys ever been to a church with

11:54

a a box pew system. No.

11:57

What's that? So it's, you know, pews are

11:59

in rows normally. Yeah. In some church some

12:02

Georgian and earlier churches would have

12:04

box pews So it's kind of a little

12:06

pen that you saw

12:07

in. The Murray's

12:07

don't have to sit with the riffraff. Mhmm.

12:09

Wow. Mhmm. You know? Or any any

12:11

surname? Any family. Yeah. Yeah.

12:14

Any family of good standing. No. No. That was

12:16

it.

12:17

We won't sit in ostentatious boat show in the

12:20

church, which those. That's very very interesting.

12:22

That's what they were made for. Just

12:25

someone else whose job it was to guide you

12:27

to your seat could be, would be

12:29

the Deaconess. And the

12:31

Deaconess was seems to be one of the only

12:33

official church church jobs that you could get as

12:35

a woman. And from, like, really early

12:37

church time. And basically so one of

12:39

our jobs would be to guide you to your

12:41

to your pew. Another job

12:43

would be, like, you'd help distribute you

12:45

could take communion to people in the community,

12:47

who couldn't make it to church, and

12:50

they were basically ordained. And

12:52

the the reason they came into

12:54

being really was to stop mail church

12:57

officials from seeing naked women.

12:59

So their initial

13:01

job was baptism. A

13:03

gods. Yeah. Because

13:06

baptism was almost always adults. Thoughts

13:08

then. Right. And

13:10

it was Always get

13:10

your kit off.

13:11

You got your kit off. You went into a river,

13:14

and it was a very improper a

13:16

male priest to be seeing accompanying

13:18

women into the

13:18

water. Sure. So that'd be her job. She'd

13:20

undressed the woman, hold the veil up,

13:22

so none of the you could see, go into the

13:24

water with her, wrap ties her,

13:26

pop out again. That's awesome. Do you guys

13:28

know what a Peeto baptism is? Here

13:30

we go.

13:32

That's someone who baptized his children. Yeah.

13:35

Yeah. It's you're very

13:37

close. It's someone who believes in

13:39

factizing children. Yeah.

13:41

That's a big

13:42

device. In the church from Quito Baptiste and

13:44

Quito Baptiste. Did

13:45

they have John the Baptiste and John the Peter Baptiste?

13:48

Yes. Only one

13:49

of those made it to the big time.

13:52

What was he? Crido back? Crido

13:54

back to us. And there are people who believe that you should only

13:56

be baptized once you have been able to come to

13:58

an adult understanding because Frito

14:00

is Latin fur, I believe. Right? And

14:02

so the idea is that you can say

14:04

yourself that you believe that as opposed to a child who

14:06

doesn't really understand what

14:07

it all means. What have they done to deserve? Well, I

14:10

always

14:10

thought I always thought it was just about protecting

14:12

them to get into heaven. So And

14:14

it's interesting because it seems like Hannah and I

14:17

accretive. Yeah. With that in terms with

14:19

what y'all say. Big O Peetas. Interesting.

14:25

I've

14:25

never heard those.

14:27

There's times. No. I didn't even get bandied around this

14:29

season. I don't know why. I

14:32

said I'm a accretive file. Okay.

14:40

It is time for fact number two and that

14:42

is Anna. My

14:44

fact this week is that the queen of France

14:46

once pranked a girl at court by

14:49

secretly taking in her clothes to make her

14:51

think she was pregnant. This

14:55

is his gosh. Great. Yeah. Pretty

14:57

mean. This is this

14:59

great great story

15:01

from the memoir of

15:03

Hortense Manchini and was

15:05

one of the manchiini sisters

15:07

who were so fun, but

15:09

her uncle was a guy called Cardinal

15:12

Maserin who was the closest

15:14

person to the royal family in

15:16

France, really. And cardinal

15:18

Mazaren decided that he would start

15:20

teasing his six year old

15:22

knees. That's the thing. That's the thing. You you hear

15:24

this fact and you think, oh, it's a clever prank

15:26

to play on someone who's probably what?

15:28

Twenty. I mean, it's he's a

15:29

six year old. That's what

15:32

makes it so funny. So

15:34

this is girl, Marianne,

15:36

who's six year old, and she's the person who's writing the

15:38

account holder tense. It's her little sister.

15:40

And cardinal Maserin says, you've gotten

15:42

a mirror, and he's got you pregnant,

15:44

has any, and then they would

15:46

take her clothes away and

15:48

secretly take them so they got tighter and tighter,

15:50

so she thought that she was pregnant. And the

15:52

whole court got in on

15:54

this gag. You know, it was just hilarious

15:56

for

15:56

everyone. Only

15:56

a whole snack. Really? Yeah. Oh,

15:59

look. It's a fine line. Isn't it

16:01

between a few laughing with her

16:02

or laughing at? It's a

16:03

fine line. And I think they crossed it.

16:06

Anyway, the queen is Anne of

16:08

Austria and she was the queen

16:10

mother at that time. She had been

16:12

married a king Louie and then she'd been the queen regent.

16:14

So she's a friend with the queen. She

16:16

turned up by the six year old bedside consoled

16:19

her, said, gosh, yes, you are at

16:21

pregnant, aren't you? And then they planted

16:23

a live infant in her bed -- Yeah. -- because we

16:25

think was a baby of one of the

16:26

services. This is next level. I think.

16:28

Yeah. This is Jeremy Beadell. This is

16:30

amazing. Yeah.

16:31

This is amazing. And then what happened next?

16:34

Well, the queen offered to be the

16:36

godmother said, well done you. And then

16:38

I think they probably, at some point, came clean at it,

16:40

and they made her raise the child. The person

16:42

whose child it was would've objected.

16:44

Well, they asked her who the father was. Yeah.

16:46

Didn't they? Yeah. And she said it could only either

16:48

be the king or the cat, the

16:50

gish --

16:51

Yes. -- because they were the only ones who

16:53

should kiss. Yeah. And she was like, that's

16:55

quite sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the the accent of

16:57

English was a known absolute

16:59

playboy. So Mhmm.

17:01

Right. She wouldn't have known that. She's

17:03

sick. She's sick. He just gave a little kiss on

17:05

the cheek. I quote like this in the memoirs

17:08

from Hall Tence who was three years older than

17:10

her at the time, so she would have been

17:12

nine. And she said she was very proud

17:14

to know the truth of the matter and I never

17:16

tired of laughing about it just to

17:18

show knew it, which is such

17:20

a relatable thing when you're a slightly older

17:23

sibling doing that over the top laughing to

17:25

be

17:25

like, yeah,

17:25

I I go there. Yeah. Yeah.

17:29

Yeah.

17:29

Kissed. He

17:30

said it was guiding to me. I feel like

17:32

an idiot.

17:33

I was looking up a pregnancy

17:35

pranks. Yeah. There aren't there aren't many good

17:36

ones. No.

17:37

It's mostly pranks that you if

17:39

you're pregnant can pull on people around you.

17:41

Oh, right. It's not like because you could sort of

17:43

throw a wall to balloon at someone in the night, and then they think

17:45

their waters are broken.

17:46

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's

17:49

one. That's one. If you if you're a

17:51

friend that you could walk around with like

17:53

a hanging between your

17:54

legs. So it looks as if --

17:57

Right. -- people

17:57

give birth without

17:58

noticing. Yeah. Yeah. These are

17:59

all about the level of ones I

18:01

found. The only one I found that was any good potentially

18:04

was using your pregnancy to help someone else with

18:06

their pregnancy prank, where you

18:08

can pee on their pregnancy

18:10

test. Oh, yeah. They'll

18:11

come up as a yes. Yes. Right. And then she'll

18:13

be able to say to whoever,

18:14

you know. Oh, look

18:15

up. Yeah.

18:16

Here's the thing that men don't really know

18:19

much about pregnancy tests. So you

18:21

could literally probably just take a

18:23

vape and draw a line on

18:24

it. Yes, sir. Look how pregnant. You

18:26

can take a take a COVID test.

18:30

I'm not pregnant, but you do have

18:32

COVID. This

18:36

book is It was published in sixteen

18:38

seventy

18:38

five, and I guess at the time,

18:40

it's sort of quite sort of timely.

18:42

We're talking about sort of the prince Harry memoir

18:45

of its day to an extent because

18:47

it was very much a What an

18:49

amazing attempt to make this book

18:51

relevant to

18:51

Totally up. Maybe it just totally

18:53

is. It just totally is. It's this

18:55

hot hot ten. Yeah. Four ten --

18:57

Yeah. -- and she got a frost bits and penis.

18:59

She well, she

19:01

No. This was this was the first time that,

19:03

you know, this is someone who was amongst the royals.

19:05

She was almost basically a queen

19:07

at one point. And

19:10

a book that was published when women weren't really

19:12

writing books either about their personal

19:14

life. And so when it came

19:15

out, it was it was a huge

19:17

bit of news. It was it was It was scandalous.

19:20

Yeah. And she filled it with

19:22

gossip. It was it would have been like with Prince

19:24

Harry's book going out. Everyone going, oh, wow. You've

19:26

actually said that. God. Cool.

19:28

Wow. I've I've never heard of

19:30

her prior to reading up on this, but

19:32

she wrote her autobiography and then a couple years

19:34

later her sister wrote

19:36

her a biography as well. Mhmm. And as

19:38

you say, they led just an incredibly,

19:41

interestingly bizarre fun, but also

19:43

quite tragic light. They were in

19:45

marriages, which were very unloved and

19:47

which fell apart. They had to flee the

19:49

country from time to time because

19:51

of being exiled as a result of

19:53

their dubious affairs and so

19:55

on and their husbands being

19:56

furious. It's it's a real roll looking adventure.

19:58

Well, let's quickly mention this husband

20:00

that she had Yes. Mhmm. Who appears to have

20:02

been slightly unhinged. Yeah.

20:05

Yeah. He believed that Milt made

20:07

shouldn't touch cow's uders in

20:09

case they became aroused by

20:11

them. Yeah. There are a couple of accounts of

20:14

this. This is this just let's give his

20:16

name as well. I'm on Charles Della,

20:18

Port Della. A mayor. Right? That was

20:20

his name. And he was incredibly

20:21

rich, wasn't he? He was

20:22

he was, like, the richest man in Europe pretty much.

20:25

Yeah. And he I

20:27

I read that account that he was worried about milkmaids

20:29

for milking sexy, but then I read

20:31

another account saying he worried that men might

20:33

get aroused by a site of milk made to do

20:35

in the milk

20:36

case. Yes. Even what we think

20:39

hotheads didn't rise about any of these things,

20:42

actually. Mhmm. These all came from

20:44

a guy called Abe de Schwazie who

20:46

was he wrote his memoirs and

20:48

they came out after he died and they're all

20:50

about the story of how he went

20:52

live in the countryside in

20:55

France, pretended to be a woman and seduced

20:57

a lot of young girls. And who

20:59

apparently is friends with Paris row who wrote a

21:01

lot of fairy tales, so we think actually a lot of

21:03

it might not have been true. Oh, okay. He was the one

21:05

who wrote all this stuff about this crazy

21:07

guy. And he was basically the idea with

21:09

Arnold Charles was that he was incredibly

21:11

pious, wasn't he? And very religious -- Yeah.

21:13

-- and I imposed really strict rules like that.

21:15

So I thought everyone's gonna be aroused all

21:17

the time. things like he

21:20

had a collection of prices, works of art

21:22

he'd inherited, and in

21:24

fact, from cardinal Maserin. Mhmm.

21:27

And he went around knocking all the genitals

21:29

off because he thought the genitals were

21:31

improper. You know, he slashed tapestries.

21:33

He's k painted black bits of penis

21:35

and balls and nickel on various

21:38

paintings. And there there are so many different

21:40

accounts. So one of the things I read is that

21:42

he did that specifically because he was

21:44

worried that she, Hortense,

21:46

gonna get aroused by them. To be first, you did have

21:48

quite a few of first. She did. She did.

21:51

She did

21:51

a time. She was even around. And she

21:53

almost married Charles the second

21:56

I mentioned before that she almost became queen. So

21:58

cardinal Maserin, who was sort of

22:00

he's he was their uncle and he was

22:03

very much taking them

22:05

around town and trying to set them up and

22:07

arrange marriages. Charles a second met

22:09

Ortans fell in love with her and thought, I've got to

22:11

marry her, made the offer. And he

22:13

said

22:13

no, because Charles second was an exile. He said, no, you've got, you know, you

22:15

got your name, but you've got no money, you've got no

22:18

title, I don't know your prospects, and so

22:20

he denied it. And then only months

22:22

later, even weeks, Charles the second,

22:24

suddenly he's restored back as king.

22:26

Mhmm. And so Maserin comes

22:28

running back saying, actually, hold tight

22:30

with love to take care of

22:30

her, and he says, not afraid that's not gonna happen.

22:33

It's

22:33

such a shame. Yeah. This could have been a

22:35

queen of England. Yeah. They did hang

22:37

out in England. Who and

22:39

Stephanie fled England and spent a lot of time at court and she was super fun,

22:41

alive in the whole place up. And they were the the thing is they

22:43

were this Italian family and we should

22:46

say they called the Masarendez, and there were seven of

22:48

them all together, and they were the seven pieces

22:50

of the cardinal. And

22:52

they all looked quite

22:54

front, they were dark skin when everyone was very pale skin.

22:56

It looks similar to

22:56

each other, but different to normal

22:59

to other needs. To normal, noble

23:01

women. Yes. Who were all very

23:03

pale. They all seemed to have the same name. There

23:05

were two Laura's, two Anne Marie's and

23:07

one Mary Anne, which

23:09

quite quite confusing. Mhmm. But, yeah,

23:11

they were fun and hotels especially. So at

23:13

one point when she ran away from Aman Shell,

23:15

she ended up in a

23:17

convent or I think she was put in a convent to try and make her behave.

23:20

But she became best friends with

23:22

this woman called Mammoz elder

23:24

cell who maybe she was in a relationship with

23:26

or had a little fling with. Maybe they were just

23:28

really close friends and they

23:30

sort of played practical jokes on

23:32

the nuns quite a

23:33

lot. All

23:34

thought they were pregnant. They I

23:38

promised I haven't had sex. All the

23:40

nuns. Yeah. She did

23:42

things like filled two chest with

23:44

water and apparently the water leaked through

23:46

onto the nuns beds. But she had

23:48

this really cool adventure in the confident

23:50

where her husband came to try and kidnap her away when

23:52

he found she was misbehaving. And her

23:54

a man was ill called self found,

23:56

slightly suffer fantasies.

23:59

They found hole in a grate in the parlor,

24:01

which they could just squeeze through to

24:03

escape. Mhmm. And so they squeeze

24:05

through this grate and they climb

24:07

aimed out the

24:07

outside. And then they actually realized it was a false

24:10

alarm and their friends were visiting, not her

24:12

husband. The story is the sound of music.

24:14

This is They're

24:16

badly the CONVENT. He squeezes through

24:18

a gate. Yep. Come on.

24:20

Yep. Well then they squeezed back in because they

24:23

were like, oh, we're gonna look stupid. It's just our

24:25

mates. And she got stuck in this grate

24:27

between two iron bars for about

24:29

twenty minutes. And ma'am was our cool

24:31

cell. That's like tug her out, and then they

24:33

end up coming on the

24:35

parlor floor for

24:36

snogging. No. I've I've I've embellished some of

24:38

the ending. Oh, yeah. Sounds fun. After she

24:40

died, her husband took caught

24:42

up with her and

24:45

had wanted actually to to

24:47

repatriate her for

24:47

ages. But It's so much

24:48

easier to catch up with someone after they died. Well,

24:50

exactly. That's really Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

24:52

Well, he caught up with her. He got

24:55

he caught up with her

24:55

body. Yeah. He put it in a sealed

24:58

coffin. Great. Fair play. You know, it's what you

25:00

meant to do. Yeah. And then he just like,

25:03

carried it around Europe on a sort of

25:05

weird, posthumous honeymoon -- Yeah. -- to all

25:07

the places they had been together in life

25:09

-- Yeah. -- for four

25:11

months. Yeah. And then eventually,

25:14

he left her in a country churchyard and

25:16

then and then eventually when he died

25:17

later, they were buried next to other. I

25:19

didn't know how she would about that. And then during the revolution,

25:22

they got choked in the senate. Yeah. Yeah.

25:24

So it it has a an

25:26

unhappy ending.

25:27

Not a few other people.

25:28

No. I mean, obviously, I'm

25:30

the I'm a big fan of the

25:32

aerosol, Chrissy. I read

25:35

an article that she introduced champagne

25:37

to Britain. Because I read

25:38

that. Yeah. I think popularized. Popularized.

25:42

Yeah. Alrighty. Actually she was fun. Oh my god.

25:44

Then this is the most fun thing about her. I did all

25:46

this reading and then finally, at the end,

25:48

find this one article which talks about this

25:50

extraordinary saloon that she

25:52

opened up in the

25:52

seventeenth. I think Saloon. I think a Saloon is a world

25:55

west -- Yeah. -- in the past. Is another

25:57

Saloon? Is a Saloon? All the ladies in

25:58

London used they had to leave their guns

26:01

at the dark house and had those

26:02

swinging doors. Yeah. Yeah. That player, they would stop

26:04

when when Hortense walked in. That's

26:07

it. Yeah. So

26:09

we're calling it salon, so really. Let's

26:11

let's let's go with salon for that. Yeah.

26:13

Because it was kind of French. So let's say

26:15

saloon, but with French angled like

26:18

Charlemagne. So let's land on

26:20

Charlemagne. I mean, that's that's

26:22

definitely that's what they're called. It's like

26:24

Charlemagne. Very popular in those

26:26

days. Yeah. So she she ran this. Let

26:28

me get to the fucking facts. She

26:30

Seventeenth Century London, she had basically

26:32

this extraordinary, like, book club she

26:34

ran next to James' Palace and all the ladies who

26:37

were encouraged not to do this to have

26:39

intellectual conversation to read books and

26:41

discuss them with each other to share

26:43

their ideas philosophies would go,

26:45

they would drink champagne, and they would do

26:47

all this stuff together. And

26:49

she was she was just such a the

26:51

the article described as an influencer of

26:53

the

26:53

time. Definitely. The interesting thing was these salons

26:55

were massive in France, weren't they? They're

26:57

like a huge thing in France at the time

26:59

and all the middle class and upper class women would go

27:01

to these salons and kind of learn

27:03

things, but she was the one who brought it to London

27:05

-- Yeah. -- because it didn't exist here at

27:07

the time. Yeah.

27:08

You could you could say that really podcasts are

27:11

the the saddles of the

27:13

present day. It wasn't.

27:15

Well,

27:15

we're discussing things.

27:17

We allow we allow one woman on our book.

27:19

Yes. It's a traditionally a

27:21

male environment. Okay.

27:25

Yeah. It's loose. If it's a

27:27

discussion, isn't it? It's a we've all got a

27:30

campaign. Yeah. Oh, god.

27:30

Yeah. We haven't come to this about

27:33

the promise. We

27:35

I mean, influence was, particularly with

27:37

quite obscure texts. If

27:39

she introduced a text to be read, it would

27:41

get round town that this was like

27:44

something was amazing, and it would boost up a big run of it with

27:46

translations because people suddenly were

27:47

going, what are they reading there? And we we have to

27:50

be part of that. And it was very much the

27:52

Richard

27:52

and Judy's book club day. Mhmm. Yes.

27:54

Yeah. Exactly. That's what it was Under that word

27:56

was salon. Yeah. Yeah.

27:59

Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting

28:00

about Hotets. If you Google her, the

28:02

first image painting that

28:04

comes up of her is of her

28:06

looking very beautiful and then

28:08

just a little nipple hanging out from

28:10

on the road. Yeah.

28:11

Yeah. And it's there's only

28:12

a few paintings of her that

28:15

are around, but that's one of the signs that might

28:17

be

28:17

just your history. It's decided.

28:20

Pictures you get. Yeah. That's possible.

28:22

It's interesting

28:23

you'd have that painted in to an official portrait

28:25

of an official, but a portrait of you ends up

28:27

with a bit of nipollin. Yeah. It's just

28:30

a a general portrait that you get done to show

28:32

that you're a sexy

28:32

person, like Janet Jackson.

28:35

Yeah. That was

28:36

why she did that one. So the thing is with Janet

28:38

Jackson. It was a malfunction, right, where

28:40

she quickly covered up. Mhmm. But with a painting, you'd

28:42

have to sit there for about three days.

28:47

Maybe the the

28:50

artist was just too impasse. You know when like someone

28:52

has green in their teeth and they're

28:54

just you'd wanna say, but you don't say it. It's like, I'll just gotta

28:56

paint it in there. Yes.

29:04

Okay. It

29:04

is time for fact number three that

29:07

is James. Okay. My fact this

29:09

week is that according to their

29:11

origin story, the

29:13

minions serve the most

29:15

evil person on Earth. But

29:17

they were conveniently frozen in a cave

29:19

and unable to serve anyone between

29:21

nineteen thirty three and nineteen forty

29:24

five. Wow. Is

29:26

this official millions canon?

29:28

I believe it

29:29

is. It's It's in the movie. It's in the movie.

29:32

It's

29:32

in the second

29:32

movie. Yeah. Oh, so So the

29:35

dates

29:35

you've altered the dates there, but that's that is

29:37

part of the period when they were I gave

29:39

the dates for Hitler -- Yeah. -- half of them the dates for the

29:41

minions. Exactly. But basically, there's

29:43

this thing on the internet that people

29:46

keep doing this meme where they say

29:48

the minions they serve the most evil

29:50

person, but what were they doing during world

29:52

war two? And it's like a big joke

29:55

that they haven't thought this, but of course, they have thought of it, and

29:57

it is in the movie, which I haven't seen.

29:59

Yeah.

29:59

So we did we did say who the minions are with

30:01

these little yellow creatures who are in the film

30:04

to speak me.

30:04

Yeah. Then all the other And then the film minions. Yeah. They

30:06

were they were henchmen that got their own spin

30:08

off series, and minions was twenty fifteen. And

30:10

in the opening

30:12

sequence, It tells you the history. So it says that they serve various evil

30:15

masters from the t rex

30:17

all the way through to When did they get out

30:19

of the cave? Sorry to interrupt

30:21

you done. So they go into the cave in eighteen twelve. That's when

30:23

they first go in and they emerge

30:25

in nineteen sixty eight. I think

30:28

to avoid being so obviously

30:30

avoiding the Nazis. So eighteen twelve would have been

30:32

just

30:32

after Napoleon's retreat from Moscow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's

30:34

because

30:34

Well, it's very cold. And

30:37

-- Yeah. -- they were treating. Exactly.

30:38

There we go. Alright. I'm involved with the

30:40

with the lore. I love it. I wonder

30:42

who they're serving who who's the

30:44

most evil person on a Few candidates

30:45

out there? None of this room. Sorry.

30:48

I'm a few of the

30:50

director. One of the one of the code directors

30:52

of the films is Pierre Caffin.

30:55

Peter Caffin. Peter Caffin. Peter Caffin. Yeah. But his name

30:57

doesn't actually Caffin in French doesn't mean coughing.

30:59

What does it mean? I don't think

31:01

it means

31:02

anything, but the word buffer means basket.

31:04

Hey.

31:05

That's

31:05

just very close. I really thought it was called

31:08

Peter Coffey. And then I thought it was called Peter Baskett. And actually, he

31:10

isn't called either. But

31:12

he does the voices of lots of

31:14

minions. Right? Lots of minions. Yeah. And

31:16

see. All of them apart a baby

31:18

one. Yeah. Well, this Germane Clement

31:20

replied to the concourse does one.

31:22

No. No. One. Litch one. One. Opinion.

31:24

And then this guy and some someone else,

31:26

but this guy does eight hundred and ninety

31:28

nine minions.

31:29

Wow. I think so there's another director. There's a co director

31:31

at the first. I think that's He also does some mini invoices.

31:33

As a

31:33

language sounds so different to do because

31:36

every word is, I think, a real word from one language

31:38

or another. I think that's some gibberish. It's

31:40

gibberish as well. It's mixed in with loads

31:42

of other language like, it's

31:43

they sound so funny to listen to that. I just I love

31:45

the sound of the minions language. Like, it's

31:47

really, really funny. Have you seen them all? No. I haven't

31:49

I haven't seen any of them. I haven't seen them all. Yeah.

31:52

I've seen minions in

31:54

bits. You know, you walk in and out while the kids

31:56

watching a movie. Sure.

31:56

And then you're asked to leave the cinemakers. Where's your

31:59

kids? You know? And so alright. I'm out

32:01

of

32:01

here. Geez. Yeah. He's cool, Kaffa. And I think that one

32:04

of the reasons that the minions speak this

32:06

combination of languages is that he is very multi

32:08

lingual, I think. So like half

32:10

Indonesian half French grew up in

32:12

Cambodia and Japan. Mhmm. And,

32:14

yeah, invented this language.

32:16

And interestingly, when it's dubbed into other

32:18

languages, it gets changed because

32:20

you noticed that they say English words

32:22

enough. You're like, oh, they must be talking about

32:24

toast now or bananas famously. But

32:27

in other

32:27

languages, they'll sub those words from --

32:30

Interesting. -- that language. So they'll still

32:31

use the Indonesian and the different places.

32:33

But then whenever there was an English word, they

32:35

use whatever country

32:37

Yeah. Yeah. Or just drop

32:39

in more local words where that's cool.

32:41

Yeah. His mom was a famous novelist,

32:44

wasn't she? She? NH Denis

32:46

coffer this

32:46

month. It was Karl that I've never heard of her inside of

32:48

this, but she is an Indonesian novelist

32:50

and feminist. Very

32:53

nice. two of the minions films have

32:55

been banned or altered by sensors

32:57

in China who

33:00

dislike various aspects of the

33:02

plot. There's and I just I really like this. The so the film The Rise

33:04

of Groove, which I think is one of the most recent ones.

33:06

The Chinese Census added

33:08

an an entirely different bit

33:10

of the film it clarifying

33:13

that one of the characters who previously had been

33:15

involved in a heist in the

33:16

film, you know, fictional film, fictional heist,

33:19

everything, was caught and so twenty years

33:21

in prison for the high season. I mean,

33:23

that's so good. They

33:26

also say that Drew returned to

33:28

his family and his biggest accomplishment was his

33:30

three children. Gosh. And

33:33

apparently, the reason that they've done

33:35

this most people think --

33:36

Yeah. -- is to promote China's three

33:39

child policy. Yes. They've

33:40

been trying to do to increase the birth rate

33:42

over the last few years.

33:43

Wow. God. I'm just reading about

33:46

other animated villains, very

33:48

us. Okay. And so

33:51

scar the lion king.

33:53

Yeah. No

33:53

spoilers, please. I haven't I think

33:55

I can avoid spoilers. Great. Who is sexier,

33:58

Skar, or Mufasa? According

34:00

to just us or According to you, are

34:02

they both lions? Yep.

34:04

Ecosa. Okay. It says Ecosa.

34:07

I've had them both equally attractive. That lines

34:09

could be more

34:09

or less of each other. It's apparently

34:12

completely impossible

34:12

for James to compete. It was a subjective question.

34:14

Do you find all You must

34:17

think there are animals which are

34:19

sexier than other animals in the same species. Have that buff

34:21

kangaroo. I'm not sure

34:24

that that is true. Do you think all

34:27

humans is being really sexy. Absolutely. My

34:29

overseas. Apart from my wife, of course, she's slightly

34:32

less sexy than ever.

34:34

Wait.

34:34

Doesn't you can't have a modeling contract

34:38

though?

34:38

No. She doesn't. She's

34:39

she has she has she has appeared. She has appeared in some adverts. So

34:41

you must think she's sexy. You don't

34:43

have to be sexy to be in an advert. That's not

34:45

what they are always cast. But

34:48

they are a difference to you

34:49

is having a birds eye kick. That's terrible The sexiest man. It's

34:51

so

34:51

long. Yeah. Could I just

34:54

say I don't find my cat sexy?

34:56

Yeah. say

34:58

this. It can be a model. It's

35:00

it's the person it's the human personality

35:02

which is adding to the

35:05

sexiness of characters as well. Oh, they've got they've got voices.

35:07

Haven't they? Yeah. Human voices. And then speaking

35:09

in English. Yeah. Yeah. For me,

35:10

I would say that physically, Mufasa definitely

35:13

sexier, but in terms of

35:15

person naughty and voice. Scott, of

35:17

course, is small sexy. Hey.

35:19

Well, Scott's, like, old and manky. No. But

35:21

I know that's why I said No. I

35:23

know. No. No. Any personality wise is evil. Okay.

35:26

Well, can I say one of you is right and wrong?

35:28

Mhmm. The

35:30

fasser is less sexier than

35:32

Scarce. Scarce is the sexier one, I'm sure,

35:34

physically and would be in the real

35:36

world as well. In

35:37

fact, specifically in the real world. So this is a study

35:39

about what makes a lion say you're unsexy. Mhmm. And for years, they've

35:41

been thinking about

35:41

Come on.

35:42

You're talking from a lion's perspective. That was

35:44

the whole point. This is about what

35:46

main darkness. Right. Yeah.

35:49

Because some some lines have really, really light veins and some

35:51

have really, really dark ones. As you know, sometimes

35:53

I've been trying to work out for years, what

35:56

what does this have any effect at all? And

35:58

they just introduced these fake lines --

36:00

Yeah. -- and they could sort the mains around. And then

36:02

you could attach them with Velcro, so you could whip off

36:04

a mains and then it. And the

36:07

dark shades were very much preferred by the

36:09

Lady Lions --

36:09

Mhmm. -- Lions' as

36:11

they're also

36:11

known. But

36:14

interest dark main lines have more abnormal sperm.

36:16

Because they have

36:17

heat stress because their light remains so

36:19

dark. They keep absorbing some life.

36:21

Interesting. And they have to eat smaller meals as well because

36:23

they get more heat stress. And if they eat a massive

36:25

great meal, you know, it warms you up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you

36:28

sometimes you have a huge

36:30

meal.

36:30

Yeah. Now might spare

36:31

me the phone. Would you like

36:33

it to say now that

36:35

you found

36:38

enough already?

36:40

That's why I make my husband before every

36:43

meal. I gotta watch

36:45

out. I'm sure

36:48

that peroxide excites. That's great. Alex

36:50

Luther, do you know what

36:52

made him evil? He's the villain and the Superman

36:54

universe. I don't. I

36:56

don't.

36:57

No. I don't a handle on what he really came from. What is he?

36:59

He's just like a rich guy. He's a rich guy, but he was

37:01

a

37:01

scientist. And he was basically Superman made

37:04

him bold. And that

37:06

is why. Bold. Yeah. As in no hair.

37:08

So he used to have a huge amount

37:10

of ginger hair on his head

37:12

and there was an incident between super

37:14

and Alex

37:15

Luther, where they were in a science lab. Alex Luther was trying

37:17

to make something really good.

37:19

Superman had to blow it

37:21

out because something went a bit wrong. And in the

37:24

big Superman blow that he did, it

37:26

just pushed these chemicals onto Lex

37:28

Luther's

37:28

head, made him bold. He was so furious.

37:30

He became a supervillain. And

37:33

Does an overreaction. It's an overreaction. It's an overreaction. Temper

37:35

issues. It does. What what's amazing

37:37

is this is a retroactive story

37:39

to explain why he suddenly goes

37:42

bold because you know part of like comic

37:44

book artistry, they would hand it to sort of as

37:46

it was ghost art us to come in

37:48

and do the sort of comic strips and help

37:50

them. One of the guys who was in

37:52

charge of it one week, mistaken Lex

37:54

Luther for one of the bold henchmen and

37:56

accidentally drew Lex Luther as a bold headed man. And

37:58

so it was a total mistake and it ran for a

38:00

couple of weeks. It went out and then another one

38:02

went out and that

38:04

just had to be it, so he had no hair. So the only reason he's bold is an

38:06

artistic mistake. Who that has proofreading

38:08

this?

38:08

It sounds like releasing a few scenes from the Lion King

38:10

where a hyena plays scar and

38:13

no one knows

38:13

it. And then what? Black

38:16

Luther would buck the trend of my

38:18

supervillains because villains

38:20

in fiction and particularly depictions

38:22

of villains are generally more

38:24

pointy. Mhmm. And

38:26

heroes Yeah. Yeah. There's

38:28

this city that You

38:29

know, you can draw Mickey Mouse with three circles.

38:31

But but if he was bad, it would be

38:33

triangles. Well, yeah. That's so I was reading an explanation about this

38:35

about the graphology of films as well. So, you know, Darth Vader literally has

38:37

a triangle on the front of his

38:39

face. Yes. More

38:42

scary. Yeah. But more sexy,

38:44

very often. I mean, they genuinely aren't

38:46

made to be a bit attractive. I think Sorry,

38:48

Dan. Child. Daphone.

38:50

He's got a dark mane daphone.

38:52

Definitely. So he's more attractive to

38:54

female vadors. Yeah. Yeah. He

38:56

was king of the prize. Oh, like

39:00

All the women actually

39:02

Is he not

39:03

sexy? Does he not sexy? Daphne?

39:05

Daphne. He's got a sexy voice suddenly. Have you seen under

39:07

the helmet? I haven't seen any of the

39:09

Okay. No. Look under the helmet. Don't look under the

39:11

helmet. He

39:11

got helmet only. Yeah. If you're making witharth

39:13

Vader. Just keep that helmet on. Yeah.

39:15

Yeah. But I think in Disney films,

39:17

the female villains are acknowledged

39:20

as sexy. In fact, there's there's

39:22

a book called the enchanted screen, the unknown history of fairy

39:24

tale films. Who are you thinking 463? Which says That

39:26

woman in the little

39:27

mermaid, the

39:27

Big O octopus. Oh, she

39:30

loves. Yeah. Pick one

39:32

example. Although

39:34

she's got some nice lipstick on. There's arguments

39:36

about whether

39:36

or not she's an octopus because only

39:39

got six arms. Ugh.

39:41

But

39:41

then, human arms or or octopus

39:44

Or human beings? Tentacles hasn't she. Right. I

39:46

think.

39:46

She has tentacles. The human is, she does

39:49

have two human arms, which makes it eight, which Yeah. But hang on. Isn't

39:51

there a QI

39:51

fact that octopuses have six

39:54

legs and two arms? Two like

39:56

pedipal. Yeah. Because they

39:58

use their legs to walk

40:00

and they use their arms to grab things.

40:01

So she's a she's a perfect octopus.

40:03

Six legs to arm. Yeah. I guess so,

40:06

except that she's a Ma

40:08

something. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you I don't

40:10

know. Do you count the human part in

40:12

with the octopus part? Don't

40:14

know. I don't know. That's

40:15

I know. And I think you were saying something about time

40:17

on some weird forums then.

40:20

Wow. I was just saying that

40:22

in Snow White, that Queen

40:24

and Snow White is acknowledged according

40:26

to this book. It says

40:28

as is well known, animators

40:30

all preferred drawing her when they were making Snow White because she was very complex a

40:32

woman and much more erotic -- Mhmm. -- than

40:34

Snow

40:34

White. Oh.

40:34

And she isn't anything Corrado DeVille

40:37

she is and and

40:40

it's sort of They're kind of

40:41

glamorous. You know? They glamorous.

40:42

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's glamorous.

40:44

I think it's glamorous.

40:46

They're powerful. They're independent. They know

40:48

what they want. They want to skin dogs to make a

40:51

coach. I

40:51

like a woman

40:51

with ambitions. How are you

40:54

sold? Yeah.

40:54

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

40:57

One thing that they do often

40:59

have villains, I think this is more men than

41:01

women actually, but they often have terrible

41:04

skin. And dermatologists

41:06

are not happy about this because they

41:08

say it may foster a tendency towards

41:11

prejudice in society -- Mhmm. --

41:13

because all the bad guys in

41:15

movies have bad skin. If you see someone with bad

41:17

skin, you're gonna think they're bad. And really,

41:19

there's quite a lot of people are saying that really

41:21

you shouldn't do this We should stop having scars. We should

41:23

stop having Yes. Well, I'm trying to think it's

41:25

so bad skin. Well,

41:25

for example, almost all James Bond

41:28

villains even if Christophe Watts

41:29

in any in that he's in. Yeah.

41:32

That's like exact stars, doesn't he? But the the the

41:34

most recent bond movie has two villains,

41:36

both of whom have facial disfigurements. Have you ever

41:38

bought them? Has one of the previous films. And it's

41:40

alright.

41:40

It's about Roger rabbit. There is a

41:42

like, there

41:42

is a lot of it when you start looking at it. I

41:44

thought it was an acne. Because I think I mean,

41:46

scars are kind of cool, but being covered

41:49

in acne. I can see that that

41:50

would, like, be in like, oh, it's consulting. No. No. No.

41:53

But it's, like, it's lots of people who

41:55

suffered facial scarring for whatever, like,

41:57

for whatever reason. And then you see, like, film after film after

41:59

film, the baddie hit, you know, is a baddie because

42:01

they suffered some facial tears. To the

42:04

Joker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess some

42:05

of it as well. When you

42:08

start you do realize, yeah, this is this is mad. Yeah. That's true.

42:10

Just another backstory and another World

42:12

War two related backstory. Oh,

42:15

yeah. Donald Duck. A theory about him

42:17

that I quite like. So basically Is there anything to do with his cock's

42:20

crew

42:20

shaped penis? Like the

42:23

whole ducts? I think you

42:25

can make probably make it to do with that, I believe

42:27

in you. But before world war two,

42:30

Dardoc existed obviously as part of the

42:32

Disney

42:32

franchise. Lots of shorts with him,

42:34

but he was quite a lighthearted, fun loving

42:36

duck. Can I just quickly say

42:38

lots

42:38

of shorts, but no trousers? Can

42:41

very good. you. Thank you for

42:44

that. So as we know now, Donald

42:46

Duck, bad temper. Right? So he's

42:48

famous for he's always shouting at his He's

42:50

baby. That's uncanny,

42:52

James. That's a

42:55

good impression. Really good. Yeah. I

42:58

didn't know you could do that. Not a good tempered

42:59

noise. It's not a happy noise.

43:02

So he changed. And the

43:04

theory is that he it was the

43:06

war changed him because he is the

43:08

only character in the Disney

43:10

franchise who actually saw active

43:11

service. So, you know,

43:12

it was on the is

43:15

that nobody he only wanted a piece

43:17

of bread. What do you really saw

43:19

actor, sir? He sends

43:20

all those cartoons. You know all the propaganda cartoons that

43:22

Disney released during the war loads and

43:25

a propaganda cartoon. So all the characters featured in these, but they didn't

43:27

go actually into battle except

43:29

Donald

43:29

Duck. Who did In

43:32

movie theater.

43:34

What do

43:34

you mean?

43:35

And which theater of the wall did he fight? He

43:36

The Pacific. Sorry. I didn't. I I actually

43:38

think it

43:39

might have been the Pacific. Well, he is a

43:41

duck. He

43:41

would be make

43:44

sense for to be in water. Yeah. Yeah. He should be navy. If

43:46

he's in any

43:46

if he's in any of the services. Yeah. Yeah. But

43:48

I can't remember, to be fair, but

43:52

he's he's serving it's shown serving in the US military and one of the propaganda

43:54

films and fighting an air battle against the

43:55

Nazis. Oh, a air battle.

43:57

My ears are

43:58

duck after all. Makes

44:02

sense should be at the airport. This is the

44:03

perfect weapon. Doesn't even need

44:04

a plane? Nope.

44:05

Yeah. Wow. And you're saying that he's got

44:08

PTSD effectively. Straight

44:10

after the World War two. His temper got worse. He became very sensitive to loud

44:12

noises. You know, if mister Matthews,

44:14

make a racket, he gets upset, and --

44:16

True. -- that's the idea. And actually, in

44:18

a recent tails. He had to anger

44:20

management

44:21

courses. Wow. So that's the theory. He's

44:23

got PTSD from the war, and all the evidence

44:25

is there, I think. Whenever would

44:28

go

44:35

Okay. It's time for our

44:37

final fact of the show and that

44:39

is Andy. My fact is that every

44:42

barge firm on the River Thames used

44:44

to have tone signature

44:45

whistle. Oh my god.

44:47

That's very cool. Yeah.

44:50

This fact

44:52

and the I reckon if you put all of your facts into an AI.

44:54

Yeah. That's why they

44:56

might come up with London

44:58

whittling and and means of

45:01

transports. This is not very popular anymore.

45:03

Yeah. Yeah. It's just seemingly dull.

45:06

But really interesting when you get into it.

45:08

Well,

45:08

let's find out.

45:09

Yeah. Exactly. You'd be judge it. Yeah. So anyway,

45:11

this was on a British library blog post about the decline of Whistling,

45:13

which is absolutely meat and drink to me,

45:15

obviously. And it's

45:18

about lighter black men were the men

45:20

almost exclusively who's steered barges to

45:22

their destinations and barges, basically flat bottom

45:24

boats that we use to transport lots

45:28

of cargo. So you might dock your ship in the river as because there isn't a

45:30

proper dock. You just drop it in the middle of the

45:32

river and then you have to unload it and the

45:34

bulge is

45:35

things that go back and forth --

45:36

Right. -- emptying them out or loading them up. And

45:38

there were different barge frames and every barge

45:40

frame had its own whistle. And it was so

45:42

you identify yourself at night. There we go. Who's was

45:44

that? Yeah. That's the the sections of all

45:46

the budget firms. James obviously doesn't see any difference

45:50

between sections. Barges are all the

45:52

same. Yeah. So barges,

45:54

barges are great. The the

45:56

apprenticeship used to be five years long just for

45:58

the the

46:00

tenants. Yeah. Anna's been on a birch. She looked after a birch, haven't

46:02

you? Yeah. Well, a canal boat. So not

46:04

one of the big Tim's barges barges, but she had to

46:06

sail. I must be able to sail. No.

46:10

Change change please. We're gonna get deeply into the

46:12

difference between the narrowboat, a barge, all of

46:14

it. But the apprenticeships

46:17

lasted for long didn't they? So they were

46:20

introduced, I think, in fifteen fifty

46:22

five. And that was

46:24

when parliament established the company of waterman

46:26

and you

46:28

know, they need to regulate the industry. And and

46:30

I think it only stopped

46:32

maybe five hundred years later. And

46:35

was two thousand and seven, the government suggested maybe we don't

46:37

need to spend five years learning. More

46:39

than five hundred years. Yeah.

46:41

Exactly. I mean, it is tough, but come on.

46:43

Also, there are no working budges on

46:45

the thames anymore, so it does seem

46:47

quite

46:47

weird. We do think it's

46:49

a good thing, but we stop people learning

46:51

how to barge and, like, getting to

46:53

do maths instead these

46:55

days? Well, just

46:58

You can build it. It takes just two years of training

47:00

now and six months of local knowledge training, which

47:02

then

47:02

are people just trashing barges into each other and -- Yeah. -- it's

47:04

roughly another

47:05

clip. It's ridiculous. Do you see the

47:07

terms here? So you're saying there's no

47:09

barges these days but they're

47:11

clearly Well, they there are barges for other

47:14

purposes, so it's not really for freight.

47:16

No. It's for tourism,

47:18

overtaking, like,

47:20

restaurant barges, I don't think

47:22

there are any that are having iron

47:24

deposited from Europe and carrying them Well,

47:26

there were two. There were two. Right? You had you had

47:28

the Leiterman, which is carrying all

47:30

those goods. Back and forth, but then

47:32

you had the waterman who were the people that carried people across, which was

47:34

massively important thing back in the day

47:36

because getting across from the

47:39

south side of London to the north was an incredibly hard thing

47:42

sometimes. Or the other way? Or the other way,

47:44

even if you why would you go

47:46

south? Come play. I

47:48

I live

47:50

south. The yeah. So people like Peeps

47:52

right about it saying, you know, it was the quickest

47:54

way to get across because often the

47:56

the clogging on the bridges

47:58

would be so great.

47:59

It was You say bridges. It was so rich. London Bridge was the

48:02

only one east of Kingston, which is

48:04

a lot of river with bridge

48:06

across it. So they're they're massively important. And

48:08

get this. I love this. So loads of

48:10

their trade came from transporting

48:12

people to the theater. So that was why you would

48:15

go to the South banks because it was where all the theaters

48:17

were. Yeah. So that that was a huge bit of trade

48:19

for the waterman. And then when Covent

48:21

Garden up where we're

48:22

recording this podcast. Yeah. Their

48:24

trade suffered massively -- Yeah. -- because

48:26

there were

48:27

suddenly theaters north of the river. No one had to cross the

48:29

river anymore to go and see a show.

48:31

But you could still get carried down down the river,

48:33

couldn't you have you lived in Chelsea and you had to

48:35

get a common garden? Oh,

48:36

yeah. That's true. Although there were other

48:38

means of getting from Chelsea to come

48:40

a gun. So they were so angry about

48:43

the loss of their trade, and they

48:45

campaigned so much to Charles the

48:47

first when he was king. Then in sixteen thirty

48:49

five, he banned taxi cabs in the city, unless

48:51

they were traveling three

48:54

miles out of the

48:55

city. No way. Yeah. Keep the barge in Keep the barge as happy. I try to

48:57

find any notable lighter men.

49:00

So I the closest

49:02

I found Well, Danny

49:04

Dyer, who's a quite

49:06

famous character, his family, he came

49:08

from a long line of lighter men. No. I mean, is

49:10

that right? It's interesting. That

49:12

seems classic. But one that I thought was

49:14

a bit relevant to us was I found that a comedian came from

49:16

a long line of Leiterman, and it was a comedian

49:18

who was called Malcolm Hardy.

49:22

And during the boom of alternative comedy

49:24

in the in London particularly, he was

49:26

a great voice and he was he's open clubs

49:28

and they were known as dangerous clubs

49:31

because he would you would have heckles from the audience. He would heckle

49:33

the act coming. You know, I don't know about this act next

49:35

act. They might be a bit

49:36

shit. I think they are. Please welcome to

49:39

the stage. You know, and then bring it with him.

49:42

She is my welcome. Thank you. So

49:44

he was he was an amazing character, and

49:46

he wasn't a lightsman himself, but he did

49:48

live on the he had a boat that he

49:50

lived on. And sadly, quite a few years

49:53

ago, he fell into the thames and died.

49:55

But what is interesting about Malcolm

49:57

Hardy is he's very relevant to

49:59

us and even the listeners of this show because

50:01

he opened up a club in Greenwich called

50:03

Up The Creek, which is where we do

50:05

all of our live shows

50:07

often in London. And that is

50:09

the Malcolm Hardy

50:10

club. Have you heard of the Trojan Barge?

50:11

No. No? No. So

50:14

this

50:15

was during the eighty years war

50:18

and the Anglo Spanish war because they

50:20

kind of coincided with each other.

50:22

And it was the city

50:24

of Breeder and the

50:26

Dutch and the English were trying to

50:28

capture it, and the way they did

50:30

it was with a Trojan badge.

50:32

There was a canal or a small like a a shallow

50:34

river that went into the city, and they

50:37

had a barge with a load of peat

50:39

in it, a load of moss, nice

50:42

one for you. Yeah. And they all hid

50:44

underneath the pate and they got into

50:46

the city and then jumped out and

50:48

then took

50:48

city. That's brilliant. And

50:49

it was kind of like one of the

50:50

turning pikes of that wall. Really? Yeah.

50:52

So when did that when you say that bars were

50:55

to Pete. They didn't put Pete on top of the bars because

50:57

guys. They did. They just got hit on the leaf that

51:00

no. No. The barge. Everyone knew it was a

51:02

barge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone knew it was a barge

51:04

full of Pete. But what they didn't

51:06

know is that there were soldiers

51:08

in between the barge of the pit.

51:10

That's incredible. And the soldiers

51:12

used the pit to kind of hide themselves

51:14

even once they got off the

51:15

barge. So the people of grade will be an attacked by

51:18

mossman. This is like moving forest and

51:19

macbeth basically. Yes.

51:22

You're being that.

51:23

That's unbelievable. That's very cool.

51:24

Yeah. But as in did they have

51:25

to snorkel through the Pete? Because Pete, I think,

51:28

has been

51:30

very heavy be very dark. If you're lying with

51:31

Pete, basically buried under Pete, that's not good for you. Probably

51:33

the amount of Pete above

51:34

them wasn't so much that they

51:38

all suffocated. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

51:38

Yeah. Yeah. I threw that. Yeah. I'm just imagining, like,

51:40

a little flat hat. You're kind of Yeah.

51:42

I mean, you can't, like, kind of, too

51:43

little Pete because otherwise, the sea.

51:46

Wait. There's something under that

51:47

peak. Probably a fairly locks amount of peak that they used.

51:49

And that was the amount that they used there.

51:51

Brilliant. Well, that's

51:52

military happening for you.

51:53

They actually did do a a previous

51:56

run with another Pete

51:58

Barge. So,

51:59

yeah, they did it was just like 1R2

52:01

soldiers to see if it was gonna work and it did work and then the next time they did it properly. That's

52:04

funny. What did those soldiers then do was they're

52:05

in the city but

52:07

they're tired. Pain.

52:09

Pain. Pain and I want

52:11

some pain. Fellow brainer

52:14

people. I don't have any

52:16

frame of reference the eighty years

52:17

war. No. And no idea why

52:20

it is

52:20

a short paragraph that I've written. But,

52:22

yeah, it was basically the I

52:25

think it was just I'm gonna be

52:27

wrong, but I think it was just before the glorious revolution. So I think it's

52:29

whenever that was. It's sixteen eighty eight? Yeah. Yeah. It's one

52:31

of those it's one of those

52:32

mid European mid century wars.

52:35

Yeah. Yeah. They were much. The

52:35

eighty years wore, the hundred years

52:36

wore, the twenty seven years wore. Oh, they're out.

52:38

They weren't very creative with the names. So are

52:40

they? I've got one more biologic

52:43

you. This is this is actually sent in by a listener. This is

52:46

sent in by Hannah Watson a while ago.

52:48

In two thousand and four, there was a sightseeing

52:50

bar strip happening

52:52

in Texas right on a lake called Lake Travis. There was six people on

52:54

board. Unfortunately, the virus then

52:56

passed a place called hippie Hollow, which

52:58

contains what was

53:00

certainly then the only

53:02

public nude beach in

53:04

Texas. Every single person on the

53:06

barge moved to one side of the boat. And then if we're

53:08

seeing somebody naked and it upside. And it the

53:10

ball in the water. Yeah.

53:18

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