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You don't get Hello,

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and welcome to another episode of

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No Such Thing is a Fish,

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a weekly podcast coming to you

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from the QI offices in Hoburn.

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My name is Dan Shriver. I

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am sitting here with James Harkin,

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Andrew Hunter Murray, and Anna Tashinsky.

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And once again, we have gathered

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around the microphones with our four

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favorite facts from the last seven

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days. And in no particular order,

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here we go. Starting with fact

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number one, that is Andy. After

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the first bridge from Europe to

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Asia was built, it took 33 years

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to build the second and 2,453

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years to build the third. Let's set

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the scene. Okay. Istanbul. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

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famously, a city between two

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continents. Europe and Asia. Those are

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the two. Amazing. And it is amazing.

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It's a city in two continents.

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It's the only one in the world, I think,

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right? Yes. Is it? Is it? Is it

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the only one in the world, I think, right?

1:04

Yes. a bit of trivia that says that. That's

1:06

what the Istanbul Tourists board want you to be.

1:08

Yeah, certainly, that's what I've really got all the

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Istanbul sites. Yeah, and in between is a body

1:12

of water, the Bospora Strait, which links the, what

1:14

is it, the Black Sea and the, well, it's

1:16

got the Sea of Marmara in the, bang in

1:18

the middle of Turkey, and the Black Sea

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above it, and the GNC, and then

1:23

eventually the Med, eventually the Med, eventually,

1:25

eventually the Atlantic, you know, and then

1:27

eventually the Pacific, the Pacific, if you want

1:29

to go all the Pacific, if you want to go

1:31

all the Pacific, all the Pacific, all the Pacific,

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Istanbul and the boss for a strait

1:36

across it supposedly says Herodotus was first

1:38

crossed in 513 BC because Darius who

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we talked about a while ago on

1:42

this broadcast house was great yeah we

1:44

did he was apparently pursuing the Scythians

1:46

and it was all a bit there's

1:48

a little bit anyway the bridge that

1:50

was built then was a pontoon bridge

1:53

yeah basically we tied a load of

1:55

boats together and you'd walk across the top

1:57

of the boats and you say a load of

1:59

boats it's a load a load of boats. Oh

2:01

yeah, like that's a thousand boats or something attached

2:03

because that's a very big distance. Yeah, to cover.

2:05

Yeah, it is. Seven hunch. Seven hunch. Is

2:07

probably what seven hunch mean? Seven hundred.

2:10

Is that not a standard abbreviation? Oh,

2:12

seven hundred. Oh, oh, my God. Get with it, kids.

2:14

Yeah. And then the second one was built

2:16

33 years. They presumably thought, oh, this is

2:18

a really good idea. And that was really

2:21

good idea. That was really good idea. That

2:23

was a really, that was a hell of

2:25

the hella. That was the hella. Oh, that's

2:28

the Dardanelles, so that's a different part of

2:30

Istanbul, right? It is indeed. It's just southwest

2:32

of the Bosporus, right? And then 1973, AD

2:34

was when the first permanent bridge was built

2:37

across the Bosporus. Yeah. And what did they

2:39

do in the meantime? Boats. Yeah. And what

2:41

did they do in the meantime? Boats. Yeah.

2:43

And what did that last? until someone

2:46

needed their boat back. Yeah, it's a

2:48

temporary thing. I think it's to make

2:50

an individual journey. So if you've got

2:52

an army, you want to get from

2:54

one to the other. Right. It had

2:56

one mission, basically. Exactly. And you might

2:59

just rip it up after that because

3:01

you don't want the enemy to follow

3:03

you. Yeah. But then 1973, the Turkey

3:05

got its first? Yeah. Of course, Istanbul

3:07

Bridge. Have you been across it? Yeah.

3:09

Very cool. Did you go on foot? No,

3:12

in a taxi. You're only allowed one

3:14

day a year on foot. Oh, is

3:16

it? Really? It's the marathon. That's when

3:18

they have their annual marathon. You're allowed

3:20

to run from Europe to Asia, which

3:22

is very cool. That is cool. Yeah,

3:24

it's awesome. Do you guys know what

3:26

Bosphorus means? No. Boss means like

3:29

cow. It's actually almost guessable,

3:31

sort of. Oh, okay, so like phosphorus.

3:33

was something... Oh yeah, it's like light

3:35

bringer, so is it cow bringer? Okay,

3:37

no it's not. It's similar to origin

3:40

to porous, a channel, or a ford,

3:42

a cow ford, or in fact an

3:44

ox ford, it's Oxford. Whoa. Phosphorus is

3:47

Oxford. Really? Question though, a ford

3:49

is a very very very small

3:51

river that you could just walk

3:53

across. Yes. And having been across

3:55

this part of Istanbul, there's no

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way that has ever been a

3:59

ford. It was a fraud in the

4:01

myth which caused this because it was

4:03

a myth of a woman called I.O.

4:05

who was transformed into a bull and

4:07

then she walked across the boss for

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us. She forwarded it. Because you know

4:12

in myth shit like that can happen.

4:14

cow because otherwise we'll get letters. cow

4:16

sorry cow yes she wasn't turned into

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a bull. One cool thing about the

4:20

bus for us is that the water

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flows in both directions so on the

4:24

top of the water it flows in

4:26

one way and then if you go

4:28

really low down it flows the other

4:31

way and so that means that if

4:33

you're someone on a boat you can

4:35

just float on top and you'll nicely

4:37

float across in the direction of the

4:39

water. But if you want to go

4:41

in the other direction, what you have

4:43

to do is you get a big

4:45

rock. drop it down really really deep

4:47

and then the current underneath the water

4:49

will drag your rock in the other

4:51

direction and that'll drag your boat in

4:54

that direction. Wait that's not away anyone's

4:56

travel that is. Is that work? It

4:58

generally works. I mean wouldn't work with

5:00

a cruise ship. I was going to

5:02

have one size as a fisherman. Is

5:04

it done? Well in history it has

5:06

been done. These days I don't think

5:08

you get those kind of boats around

5:10

that ever. That's very cool. That's very

5:12

cool. But it is an actual river.

5:15

discovered underground, underwater, sorry, river. And it's

5:17

so cool. So the bit underneath is

5:19

to do with the salinity, going from

5:21

a salty bit to a less salty

5:23

bit of water, the river underneath the

5:25

sea. The river's got banks and meanders

5:27

and all the features that you have

5:29

in a normal river. Pedalows. Peddlows. Yeah,

5:31

a lot of banana boats. And the

5:33

shopping trolleys at the surface. Nice. So

5:35

the bridge is one way to get

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across now, but they also have now

5:40

the underground rail. And that started being

5:42

built in 2004. They wanted to build

5:44

it quite quickly, because one bridge, having

5:46

that one bridge, was just crazy amount

5:48

of traffic. The problem was, is they

5:50

tried to pick a spot that just

5:52

wouldn't have any archaeology around it. It's

5:54

hard in Turkey. isn't it? So hard.

5:56

So hard. Particularly when you've had like,

5:58

you know, bridges that were made of

6:01

boats, you know, thousands of the 700,

6:03

sorry Anna. And so that's exactly what

6:05

happened. They started going down and they

6:07

started finding all of these shipwrecks that

6:09

had been buried into the ground and

6:11

they had to... pause and so between

6:13

2005 and 2013 they were just digging

6:15

up something like 36 ships that they

6:17

found they found all this pottery and

6:19

so after they found everything they thought

6:22

it was all done they then said

6:24

okay we just want one more quick

6:26

look just one little tiny look and

6:28

then discovered a 6,000 BC unknown Neolithic

6:30

dwelling that they had no idea existed

6:32

with everything down there and then it

6:34

just took you even more time. I

6:36

feel a bit conflicted about that. Just

6:38

don't we don't know the past this

6:40

much. I'm sorry to irritate all archaeologists

6:42

listening. We wouldn't know about these things

6:45

if it wasn't for the fact some

6:47

brilliant person had the idea of building

6:49

an underground railway which is much... cooler

6:51

than an old boat. I'm sorry. Do

6:53

you know who signed you on here?

6:55

And I think this is going to

6:57

make you happy because I know you're

6:59

a big fan. Oh no. Is Erdogan

7:01

felt exactly the same as you And

7:03

he said there's a bunch of rubbish,

7:06

pots and pans. And the more important

7:08

thing is infrastructure. And I know you

7:10

guys see eye to eye on a

7:12

lot. So I think of myself as

7:14

a. pissed off birthday party in the

7:16

unopen tunnel underneath saying this has to

7:18

be open this is enough this is

7:20

too much and and it eventually was

7:22

on the date that he suggested a

7:24

lot of traffic goes through those straits

7:26

the bus for a strait and the

7:29

dad and else doesn't it I think

7:31

it's as if 4% of the world's

7:33

oil goes through there And there's a

7:35

rule that says that everyone has to

7:37

pay, but it's a very small amount.

7:39

They did some sort of deal 50

7:41

years ago and said that. Well, like

7:43

one of those, there's a toll bridge

7:45

name where you pay two P to

7:47

go across it. It's just like kind

7:50

of like that. Yeah, it's just one

7:52

old boy who's collecting two P. Yeah.

7:54

Sorry, Emma. What's entry you living in?

7:56

What the source for a year? They

7:58

exist in lecture a fair bit. Do

8:00

you have to pay two P every

8:02

time you cross? It's like five P

8:04

the one in one. It's two P

8:06

and the property makes quite a lot

8:08

of money out of it in a

8:10

year. It's enough to sustain the property.

8:13

Wow. So do you have a role

8:15

of two P's in your car? I

8:17

actually think if you don't have the

8:19

two P's they now let you go

8:21

anyway, but you really should. It's round

8:23

upon not to let you through. You

8:25

won't be popular. Wow. Yeah. I have

8:27

been to one where it's 20p. Actually,

8:29

they're hiked at 50 and I was

8:31

really annoyed. Is that what you're about

8:33

to say, James? They hike to it.

8:36

No, I'm not. But this is about

8:38

a about turn of what is this

8:40

ridiculous thing? You'll talk about Anna too.

8:42

Yeah, I'm very familiar with those. I'm

8:44

sorry for comic conceit I wanted to

8:46

have my cake and eat it. But

8:48

anyway, so Turkey are now building a

8:50

on this route that goes through the

8:52

Dardanelles and through the bus for us

8:54

and pay your 2P or you can

8:57

pay more and go through the canal

8:59

but you know you get the through

9:01

quicker and you don't have to queue

9:03

up. It's an amazing idea. It's like

9:05

double bus for us. It's like, imagine

9:07

if you had a road where you

9:09

had to pay 2P to go or

9:11

then you had the M6 toll road

9:13

that would be the other way and

9:15

you could choose which way to go.

9:17

I think the first person who suggested

9:20

that canal was Suleman the magnificent in

9:22

1500s and it's been suggested by almost

9:24

every Turkish leaders Ottoman leaders since then

9:26

but yeah the ones caught on. Just

9:28

a quick thing on the Ottoman Empire

9:30

I don't think we've said before much

9:32

about the Ottomans so if you became

9:34

Sultan the traditional thing to do was

9:36

immediately off all your brothers plus any

9:38

uncles cousins like anyone would just murdered

9:41

immediately anyone who could possibly take over

9:43

from you apart from your son exactly

9:45

but you've got 19 sons and when

9:47

your son becomes sultan he'll kill the

9:49

other 18 also your main son is

9:51

cool but all the other sons are

9:53

like putting cages they're all putting cages

9:55

oh well I thought I thought it

9:57

was cages basically it's a suite of

9:59

rooms that but they're called cages yeah

10:01

yeah they changed their policy in about

10:04

1600 and they said we can't keep

10:06

on murdering everyone so we'll just keep

10:08

everyone in the cages and you would

10:10

be kept there with some apparently some

10:12

concubines but concubines who can't who won't

10:14

have any children so that you know

10:16

you don't present a threat because you're

10:18

not producing more airs how do you

10:20

make sure so it's all sort of

10:22

postmenopoles or concubines I believe I think

10:25

that's the drill yeah yeah and you're

10:27

only allowed a few very specific hobbies

10:29

apparently mainly macromae Well, like, making knots.

10:31

It's basically elaborate knot-not work. And then

10:33

you can tie yourself a rope ladder.

10:35

It's terrible. Like, they were one's escape

10:37

Sultan, but by a rope bridge? Yeah,

10:39

a rope bridge. That's why the multiple

10:41

attempts at bridges across the board are

10:43

all root-based. None of them survived. But

10:45

every so often the Sultan would die

10:48

and they'd have to get someone out

10:50

of the cages. And basically you'd have

10:52

this blithering idiot who only knew how

10:54

to do macramae and was not experienced

10:56

in ruling the largest empire on the

10:58

planet. Did that happen? Did you have

11:00

the cage ruler? Yeah. So imagine you're

11:02

in the 17th century. You're visiting the

11:04

Sultan. You're like a big wig, but

11:06

from another part of Turkey or the

11:09

Ottoman Empire. You turn up at the

11:11

top kapi palace in the middle of

11:13

Istanbul, that's where he lives, and he

11:15

gives you some sorbet. Okay. Normally you

11:17

get some nice white sorbet, but this

11:19

time it's red. It's strawberry flavor. What

11:21

does that mean? I'm about to be

11:23

executed. I'm afraid so. No! Yeah, yeah.

11:25

That's what would happen. That's how you

11:27

find out. You see your survey. I

11:29

just need to say, I need to

11:32

say it was Sherbert's not Sherbert. Oh,

11:34

which is a similar design. Just as

11:36

nice. Yeah, but I misread it on

11:38

my file. So, yeah, so you would

11:40

give this Sherbert, normally it be white

11:42

with your little lolly that you would

11:44

dip in it, like it. But. there

11:46

was a loophole. You could escape execution

11:48

if you could outrun the execution act.

11:50

in a 300-yard foot race. Wow. Okay,

11:52

so the executioner who's also a gardener

11:55

by the way. Yeah, so he might

11:57

be a bit limber. He is going

11:59

to be limber. Yeah, he's going to

12:01

be strong. He's going to work outside

12:03

a lot. So how do you do

12:05

it? Well, you just have to race

12:07

him. Oh, I thought that was a

12:09

question. And if you're fine, and if

12:11

you don't beat him, you're executed and

12:13

your body's held into the sea. See.

12:16

See I was thinking, pretend to eat

12:18

the shirt, pretend to eat the Sherbert,

12:20

keep it, keep it, keep it, keep

12:22

it, keep it, keep it, keep it,

12:24

keep it, keep it, keep it, keep

12:26

it. Easy Peasy. No, he's a gardener

12:28

then. What you want to do is

12:30

you want to leave an unusual flower

12:32

in his path. So he can't help

12:34

but stop and take a cutting for

12:36

later. Yes. No, what you want to

12:39

do is you want to take him

12:41

on a path where you come to

12:43

a two-p toll. and you go through

12:45

but he having left his change back

12:47

at the castle. Do you get to

12:49

eat the Sherbitt beforehand just in case

12:51

you don't live to be able to

12:53

eat at alfords? I think you do

12:55

yeah. It's a sort of last meal

12:57

isn't it? It's going to put you

13:00

off a little bit though because you

13:02

know it's your last meal I don't

13:04

know because you know it's your last

13:06

meal I don't think you know it's

13:08

going to put you off a little

13:10

bit though because you know it's your

13:12

last meal, because you know it's your

13:14

last meal. from the 17th century onwards

13:16

that we still have today. And I

13:18

found if you look at a drums

13:20

kit on most of the biggest bands

13:23

out there in the world, you'll see

13:25

on the symbols. A lot of them

13:27

will say Ziljan. There's like four major

13:29

symbol brands out there, right? This one

13:31

was created in 1623 by Evades Ziljan.

13:33

and it was a family that were

13:35

trying to bring metals together to create

13:37

gold, but instead created these amazing symbols

13:39

and they would make little symbols that

13:41

go on each finger so you could

13:44

you could make it so it's always

13:46

to create noise in war and so

13:48

on. That's not going to be a

13:50

big noise of fingers imagine 10,000 Ottomans.

13:52

Yeah, yeah. So this became a product

13:54

that they started making and it slowly

13:56

over the years morphed into becoming symbols

13:58

that were being used by drummers and

14:00

then when the Beatles' probably in the

14:02

most viewed show I think. its time,

14:04

Ziljan was on there and every drummer

14:07

started taking it up. So it has

14:09

become the biggest threat. And this is

14:11

an Ottoman, this is a Turkish Ottoman

14:13

family in the 1600s. Yeah, exactly, yeah,

14:15

in the 1600s. So that's survived into

14:17

popcote. You'll see it at the Grammys,

14:19

you'll see it everywhere in modern day.

14:21

I just like it when Dan starts

14:23

a fact watching the excitement on your

14:25

face and in your voice as you

14:27

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16:23

is time for fact number two and

16:25

that is my fact. My fact this

16:27

week is that because he talks so

16:29

fast when Martin Scorsese spoke at an

16:31

international film festival they had to provide

16:33

an additional translator to first translate his

16:35

fast words. into slower words. They're still

16:37

the same words. They're same words. You

16:39

wouldn't know. They sound completely different. Does

16:42

this mean that the event went on

16:44

way after school says you finished talking?

16:46

Because what matters to the audience is

16:48

hearing the words from the second interpreter,

16:50

right? So you've got Scorsese who's going

16:52

to be translated into, let's say it's

16:54

French, right? The French translator is listening

16:56

to Scorsese going, I have no idea

16:58

what you're saying because you're so speedy.

17:00

So they brought another English speaker in

17:02

to listen to Scorsese, speak really fast,

17:05

and then go, so what he's saying

17:07

is in English. Yeah, we'll take twice

17:09

as long, won't it? Oh yeah. Oh

17:11

yeah. You could. Unfortunately, Scorsaise and his

17:13

films are known for being a break

17:15

from size and brief. So I'm sure

17:17

his speech is the same. Yeah, this

17:19

is a very little-known nugget that I

17:21

got from Michael Palin's diaries. So I'm

17:23

reading his second volume of diaries halfway

17:26

to Hollywood. This happened on the 24th

17:28

of September 1980. He was out to

17:30

dinner in Los Angeles with Scorsaise. And

17:32

he told them this over a dinner

17:34

party. So I haven't seen that referenced

17:36

anywhere else anywhere else. interviews and yeah

17:38

he's powerhouse when he's speaking. It's funny

17:40

because I wouldn't imagine it because of

17:42

all his films they have these languish

17:44

long pauses and people who speak very

17:46

slowly before murdering people. It's weird to

17:49

think of him as just like a

17:51

chipmunk. I've never heard him speak I

17:53

don't think. No me either. He's slower

17:55

these days I would say but he's

17:57

80. But you've seen him speak I

17:59

suppose James through cinema. You know he's...

18:01

you've heard what he wants to say.

18:03

Yeah, I suppose I have. I've put

18:05

four hours at a time. I thought

18:07

I'd never seen one of his films.

18:10

I had to look through the whole,

18:12

I thought I managed it, because it

18:14

doesn't, it's not my kind of thing,

18:16

you know, like, gangsters and mafia stuff,

18:18

I don't remember, but it's no big

18:20

worms. It turns out I've seen two

18:22

of his films, you cannot get away

18:24

from Scorsaise. I've seen Cape Fear. Oh,

18:26

a bit of a bit of a

18:28

stinker, a bit of a stinker, and

18:30

a bit of a stinker, and a

18:33

bit of a stinker, and a bit

18:35

of a bit of a bit of

18:37

a stinker, and a bit of a,

18:39

and a bit of a, a, and

18:41

a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

18:43

a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

18:45

a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

18:47

a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

18:49

So good. Interesting. Kayfe here isn't a

18:51

stinker, is it? It's a classic. It's

18:54

a bit silly, isn't it? I guess

18:56

so. Yeah. A lot of our own

18:58

opinions. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't think

19:00

it's like it's not like a classic

19:02

razzy kind of movie. No, sorry. What

19:04

I mean is it's a highly garland

19:06

and commercially successful and critically acclaimed stinker.

19:08

He made... What else did you make?

19:10

Means Street is the King of Goodfellas,

19:12

the King of New York, yeah. The

19:14

Irish member was. The Irishman in recent

19:17

times. Raging Bull. Raging Bull, Wolf of

19:19

Wall Street. Oh yeah, that's a big

19:21

one. Yeah. Raging Bull does seem to

19:23

have saved his life because, well, he

19:25

was huge co-caddics, wasn't in the 70s.

19:27

Is that why he was speaking so

19:29

fast? I think it will have contributed.

19:31

Yes. He had something to do with

19:33

it actually, yeah. And he just made

19:35

a film which actually was a bit

19:38

of a flop with what she called

19:40

Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz's daughter.

19:42

Liza Manelli. Thank you. He nearly died.

19:44

He was ended up in hospital and

19:46

he was really bleeding internally everywhere. They

19:48

thought he was going to brain hemorrhage.

19:50

He said I was bleeding internally everywhere

19:52

and I didn't know it. My eyes

19:54

were... bleeding my hands everything my mouth

19:56

my nose coughing up blood anyway he's

19:58

he's sort of was surviving but he

20:01

was very depressed and he didn't really

20:03

want to make raging bull I don't

20:05

think but Robert De Niro who'd made

20:07

a few films with him was really

20:09

keen on it and De Niro rocked

20:11

up beside his hospital bed with a

20:13

script for raging bull that I think

20:15

had been sort of rewritten redraft and

20:17

said look you gotta do this mate

20:19

what are you gonna sit here and

20:21

die or are you gonna do raging

20:24

raging raging bull? And he did it, and it's

20:26

one of the best ones ever made. Another thing

20:28

he made was a film called New York,

20:30

New York. Yes. In fact, this is the

20:32

one we're talking about with Wisemanelli, in

20:34

it, maybe. I think it was, yes.

20:36

Yeah, yeah. And so she sang the song theme

20:38

from New York, New York, which is the one

20:41

that everyone knows. New York, New York, New York.

20:43

No, no, no, not that one. So I was,

20:45

I was a big, part of it. Oh, that

20:47

one, yeah, yeah. There are two songs called New

20:49

York, New York, New York, is there? Something, well,

20:52

it's sort of been Crosby film, isn't it? New

20:54

York, New York, it's a hell of a town.

20:56

Yeah, that one, something, something, something, is down. Yeah,

20:58

exactly. But no, not that one. So I was

21:00

teased, you, it, it, it's, it's a, it's a,

21:03

it's a, it's a, it, it's a, it's a,

21:05

it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

21:07

it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's

21:09

a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it, it, it, it,

21:11

it, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it in 1977 and

21:13

Lysamnelli sang the theme

21:16

from New York, New York and

21:18

then later in 1980. Frank

21:20

Sinatra sang New York, New York, which

21:22

everyone thinks like associates Frank Sinatra with

21:24

New York, but he never sang until

21:27

1980 because it wasn't written until 1977.

21:29

That's insane. I don't know, he was still

21:31

singing. I know, so all of those times when he

21:33

was in the rap park and you

21:35

know, being absolutely mega famous, he never

21:37

signed New York, New York, because it

21:39

hadn't been written yet. How interesting. Isn't

21:41

that interesting? That's really odd. Yeah. I feel like

21:44

I've got a false memory of being alive in

21:46

the 50s and 60s and hearing him saying it.

21:48

Exactly, I think that like a lot of people who

21:50

are older would know that, but for me it was

21:52

really incongruous. Yeah, it was quite internal stuff.

21:54

Annie, you say that he was massive in coke,

21:57

he loved, he loved his coke. Massive in coke

21:59

in the coke world. Well, he did it

22:01

a lot, right? I mean, he did

22:03

it to the point that there was

22:05

a film festival he went to in

22:07

Cannes in 78. He was unable to

22:09

score Coke there, so he dispatched a

22:11

private jet to go on a Coke

22:13

run to pick it up for him

22:15

and bring it back. So it was

22:17

a massive thing. And also, he made

22:19

a movie called The Last Walt. So

22:21

he's quite an amazing director. He doesn't

22:23

just do films. He does documentaries. And

22:25

quite seminal documentaries as well. And so

22:27

he's done a Beatles documentary. There we

22:29

go. Wow. And let's move on. Now

22:31

we've loved that foil for this fact.

22:33

Let's plow on, shall we? But there

22:35

was a, there was one which was

22:38

called The Last Waltz and one of

22:40

the musicians Neil Young had a bit

22:42

of coke under his nose and this

22:44

made it to the film. And so

22:46

they were sitting. in the editing room

22:48

going, what do we do about this?

22:50

And he had V effects, literally invent

22:52

a whole new method that's still used

22:54

in film today. They called it the

22:56

traveling bogey where they were able to

22:58

knock out the coke from his nose

23:00

by having a thing follow and track

23:02

the coke all along in the shop.

23:04

So when you see it, the coke's

23:06

not in the shot, but it was

23:08

in the print. And cinema was advanced

23:10

as a result of it. That's basically

23:12

a Snapchat filter, isn't isn't it, really.

23:14

and put up, make you look like

23:16

a potato or whatever. Yeah, that's a

23:19

really good call. They should have done

23:21

that, just put a potato over his

23:23

head. I think it was Neil Young,

23:25

yeah, Neil Young. None of this stuff,

23:27

I have to say, is in the

23:29

IMDB on Martin Scorsaisey, which reads, let

23:31

me just read you a couple of

23:33

things from it, right? Okay, because I

23:35

think Scorsaisey might have written this. Despite

23:37

being known for directing extremely dark and

23:39

very violent movies, he is known in

23:41

real life to be a very friendly,

23:43

polite and mild man person who gets

23:45

along very well with his cast and

23:47

crew. Because so many of his actors

23:49

win or a nominated for awards, actors

23:51

are dying to work with him. Scorsaise,

23:53

rarely uses our rated language in real

23:55

life. It's just pure hagiography. Yeah. There's

23:58

a film he made recently called The

24:00

Irishman. Yep. Which I missed. I watched

24:02

it on the flight to Lanzorati and

24:04

it was almost the exact length of

24:06

the flight. Nice. Which is about four

24:08

hours. Oh, it seems long. I mean

24:10

it is long clearly. But one thing

24:12

they did there, because James, am I

24:14

right thing people aged? Oh, I don't

24:16

fucking remember. It was just four hours

24:18

of tedious thanks to stuff. Well, okay.

24:20

Basically people get older and then younger.

24:22

It's the same characters and you're going

24:24

back in life and then forward in

24:26

life. Yeah. Anyway, they had to have

24:28

to have a posture coach. A posture

24:30

coach. telling people no stop it you're

24:32

getting up from the chair like an

24:34

80 year old you're 30 in this

24:36

scene and vice versa just saying no

24:39

look for this scene you are at

24:41

healthy you fit young man so can

24:43

you jump out of it so confused

24:45

that's very funny another one he did

24:47

was Hugo Oh yeah, probably my favorite

24:49

school saithy film, embarrassing. The Victor Hugo

24:51

biopic. No, no, it's like a family

24:53

film about the early days of cinema

24:55

and stuff. Lumiere? Lumiere? Is that a

24:57

movie? Yeah, it's a gorgeous, gorgeous film.

24:59

It's a really good film. And it

25:01

was in 3D. It was one of

25:03

the early 3D films. And one interesting

25:05

thing about it is there was a

25:07

guy called Bruce Bridgman. Okay, he was

25:09

a neuroscientist, but he had this weird

25:11

thing where he couldn't perceived depth. So

25:13

whenever he went to like let's say

25:15

he went to a big church in

25:17

Europe and he wanted to admire it

25:20

He couldn't really tell what was here

25:22

and what was there it was all

25:24

flat to him So he used to

25:26

walk up and down the church so

25:28

that the things closer to him would

25:30

move quicker than things further away from

25:32

him You know like it when you

25:34

run a train and like anything that's

25:36

really close to the train flies past

25:38

and then the mountains of the background

25:40

go really slowly he would use that

25:42

parallax effect to understand depth Anyway, he

25:44

went to watch Hugo and he put

25:46

on these 3D glasses and suddenly he

25:48

could see the 3D and when he

25:50

left the movie he could see 3D.

25:52

It had fixed his problem. Isn't that

25:54

amazing? That's incredible! That is good. So

25:56

he didn't have to keep the glasses

25:59

on? No. No, he just fixed his

26:01

3D, it like kind of triggered something

26:03

in his brain that said, oh, this

26:05

is how it works. How weird! Was

26:07

that in the IMDB? No. What is

26:09

going on? Just on interpreters. Oh yeah.

26:11

as this fact was about, it does

26:13

sound insanely stressful. They do have the

26:15

European Parliament, they have to switch every

26:17

half an hour, because otherwise they just

26:19

can't, they get very very stressed. And

26:21

they can't have mistakes as well, right?

26:23

Exactly. And you're in a booth with

26:25

one other interpreter, so you seamlessly switch

26:27

over every half an hour, and if

26:29

you're not on shift, you should not

26:31

eat an apple, you can eat a

26:33

banana. Why? Because it's too noisy. It

26:35

will distract your fellow interpreter who's trying

26:37

desperately to listen to... Okay, James is

26:40

doing some foley now and the audience

26:42

is just listening to this disgusting sound.

26:44

Yeah, that's cruel. And if James, you'd

26:46

had anana there, it would have been

26:48

fine. I've actually been eating a banana

26:50

this whole time. Exactly, exactly. It was

26:52

some of the gestures Dan's been doing,

26:54

I've been actually more distracting. No, but

26:56

half an hour, half an hour, it's

26:58

about the, apparently the, apparently the safe

27:00

limit, apparently the safe limit, and apparently

27:02

the safe limit. And in the safe

27:04

limit, and in the safe limit, and

27:06

in the safe limit, and in, and

27:08

in, and in, and in, and in,

27:10

and in, and in, and in, and

27:12

in, and in, in, in, in, in,

27:14

and his interpreter allegedly collapsed after 75

27:16

minutes of mental stuff from Gaddafi. He

27:19

just interpreted his brain just went into

27:21

spasm and he helped him. Didn't he?

27:23

He cried out something like, I can't

27:25

do this anymore. I think that is

27:27

a problem isn't it? So some interpreters

27:29

talk about this with translating Donald Trump,

27:31

which is you have certain phrases that

27:33

he uses that just kind of doesn't

27:35

make sense, but in English we all

27:37

kind of let it slip. But as

27:39

a translator, you've got to... you've got

27:41

to do. You don't translate the words,

27:43

do you translate the meaning of the

27:45

words? I think they just suffer from

27:47

what he actually means. The sentence lasts

27:49

20 minutes and it just goes, yeah.

27:51

And I think I can see how

27:53

it's a pressurizing thing, like a different

27:55

kind of interpretation is to do sign

27:57

language, right? And we have seen meltdowns

28:00

publicly where they are often accused of

28:02

not knowing sign language. And I wonder

28:04

if that's the case. Do you remember

28:06

there was the Obama speech after Mandela

28:08

had died? And the guy just clearly

28:10

didn't know. He still maintains that he

28:12

does know it, but he was hallucinating.

28:14

And in America, Hurricane Irma, there was

28:16

a moment where on TV they were

28:18

saying, you've got to be safe, there's

28:20

flood zones, you've got to get to,

28:22

you got to consider saying in shelters.

28:24

And the guy who apparently knew sign

28:26

language was just making words like bare

28:28

monster and pizza. And he says, well,

28:30

my brother's deaf and I do know.

28:32

My cousin is actually a professional translator,

28:34

Russian translator, and he was saying the

28:36

stress of it like you're fluent, you've

28:38

been fluent for years, and then suddenly

28:41

you'll have a blank. He said he

28:43

was translating Russian and at one point

28:45

someone was talking about baking. and said

28:47

the word kex and he knew that's

28:49

a loan word from british so that's

28:51

fine so kex means cake in russian

28:53

that's that's what the loan word they

28:55

were using because i know it's a

28:57

loan word from british what are associated

28:59

with kex kex as and get your

29:01

kex on his trousers and just translated

29:03

cake as trousers and you panic in

29:05

the moment one thing interpreters all do

29:07

apparently is they interrupt people okay they're

29:09

nearest I knew it would be you

29:11

James. If you'd notice I haven't spoken

29:13

for a while it's because I've literally

29:15

been eating the apple the whole time.

29:17

Unfortunately swallowed it just in time to

29:20

interrupt I'd do that. Go back to

29:22

it. No, that basically they, the whole

29:24

thing of being an interpreter is you

29:26

learn what people around you are going

29:28

to say and you slightly are anticipating

29:30

the end of a sentence. So when

29:32

they clock off after a long day

29:34

of interpreting, they go home and their

29:36

partner says to them. I'm making, and

29:38

they say chicken nuggets. I know, I

29:40

know. And there's spouses and children are

29:42

furious with them all the time because

29:44

they just will not let them finish

29:46

the sentence. Certainly relatedly, I saw ahead

29:48

of a interpreting service who highest people

29:50

out for like the UN and stuff,

29:52

talking about how you do it. And

29:54

he was saying in this video, you

29:56

have to be really careful about what

29:58

distance you keep from the person who

30:01

you're interpreting. At first, I thought... Well

30:03

sure you just keep the distance where

30:05

you can hear them right, but he

30:07

meant in terms of the time you

30:09

leave between when they speak and when

30:11

you start interpreting, so... You can't get

30:13

too close to them as if Andy

30:15

starts speaking and I'm interpreting him. If

30:17

I literally interpret after every single word

30:19

he says, I'll mess up the grammar,

30:21

I won't be able to predict the

30:23

end of the sentence, I won't get

30:25

the syntax. Because Andy might be starting

30:27

a sentence and then go on one

30:29

of his whimsical endings of a sentence.

30:31

Exactly. You don't have to do that

30:33

shit. Okay,

30:38

it is time for fact number

30:40

three, and that is Anna. My

30:42

fact this week is that indigenous

30:44

Arctic peoples were absolutely banned from

30:47

eating surf and turf. Now we

30:49

said before we went on air

30:51

before the mites came on that

30:53

neither one's going to know what

30:55

surf and surf is. Yes I

30:57

thought this was universally accepted cuisine

30:59

but Dan maybe because of his

31:01

unique upbringing and others don't. So

31:04

surf and type is basically where

31:06

you get dumped like a massive

31:08

lobster next one like a massive

31:10

steak or you know meat and

31:12

fish. Land and sea. Land and

31:14

sea. Is that technically soft? Where

31:16

I come from it's usually scampy

31:18

and very very cheap steak. Oh,

31:21

okay, okay, okay. Fish fingers in

31:23

a Scotch egg would technically counter

31:25

surf and turf, right? Oh yeah,

31:27

there you go. So there are

31:29

a lot of things that count.

31:31

You can all think of meats

31:33

from land and meats from the

31:35

sea. Do it yourself at home?

31:38

Yes. How it's eventless fun. It

31:40

was fun. I don't know what

31:42

it's standing that's debatable. Anyway, I

31:44

don't know if this is still

31:46

true. Obviously there are a lot

31:48

of innuets left across Alaska and

31:50

Canada Greenland and the Yupik people

31:52

and the elute people all from

31:55

that kind of region of the

31:57

world all used to do it,

31:59

but they... you've obviously integrated

32:01

more into the outside world in the

32:03

last hundred years, so I don't know

32:05

if they still do, but anyway, it

32:07

was the idea that land and sea

32:09

absolutely could not be mixed, mostly because

32:11

you'd really upset the mistress of the

32:14

sea. And they went to such lengths,

32:16

so essentially the only foods they had,

32:18

90% of the time, were seal and

32:20

caribou. And fish. And fish, and fish,

32:22

yes. And they could never be eaten

32:24

together, they could never be cooked or

32:26

stored together in the dark months of

32:28

the year, so like half the year,

32:30

they'd go and live out on the

32:32

sea ice. And because they're on sea

32:35

there, the women who did all the

32:37

sewing were absolutely forbidden from sewing clothes

32:39

because they're made of caribou skins.

32:41

So they'd have to do all their

32:43

sewing in summer, because you can't take

32:45

the caribou skins out onto the sea,

32:47

because that's surf and deaf. Turf and turf.

32:49

You're allowed to wear the caribou skin. Weirdly,

32:51

you're allowed to wear, yeah, you don't have

32:53

to go naked out to the sea. You're

32:55

allowed to wear them weirdly, but does not

32:58

make them. This taboo was so strict. So

33:00

there was as well as the thread thing,

33:02

and you had to process all your caribou

33:04

in the autumn before you then started hunting

33:06

seal. But there was another taboo. So fish

33:08

that were caught in rivers and lakes, so

33:10

trout and salmon. must not be cooked

33:12

over a driftwood fire because driftwood comes

33:14

from the sea. Oh wow! So that

33:17

is a land sea taboo where it's

33:19

kind of fish from the land, if

33:21

you like, and wood from the sea.

33:23

What if you caught your fish in

33:25

some brackish water? I think it's a strong...

33:27

Is it a freshwater fish? Well a

33:30

salmon would go in between wouldn't it?

33:32

Yeah but as soon as they'd entered it

33:34

was like even if the salmon were just

33:36

20 yards upstream having come from the sea

33:38

it's like no the sea's out now. They're

33:40

now river fish. The river is bizarre. It

33:42

wasn't easy was it living the life

33:45

of an Arctic person a hundred years

33:47

ago you wouldn't have thought you'd be

33:49

introduced or imagine you were practically starving to

33:51

death to go get caribou on. Well fuck

33:53

I guess we're gonna die! So interesting. Is

33:55

it one of those things where there's a

33:57

there's a great reason behind it and actually

34:00

the religious thing or the mistress of

34:02

the sea thing is just a tax

34:04

on. Interesting. I don't know. There's a

34:06

thing where people who don't eat pig

34:08

products perhaps is because if you didn't

34:10

cook them properly you'd get. terrible parasites

34:12

and stuff. Right. And the meat spoils

34:14

faster in the middle of the sun,

34:16

so that's why there's a pork taboo,

34:18

I don't know. Could have been, could

34:21

have been, like, if you take the

34:23

Caribbean meat out to sea, it might

34:25

spoil by the time you're out at

34:27

sea or something, but it's lost in

34:29

the most of time, and now it's

34:31

all about pissing off the sea goddess.

34:33

I was reading a bit about about

34:35

their diets and the stuff they ate,

34:37

and this is about the turn of

34:39

the 20thory, Inuit, so it off the

34:42

island off the north of Canada, said

34:44

that the only non-meat he ever saw

34:46

them eat is the half-digested moss from

34:48

the first stomach of a caribou, a

34:50

rainedia. Marsundi? Sounds good to me. Yeah,

34:52

you have a lot of it, actually.

34:54

I think that's unnecessarily picky, by then.

34:56

Yeah, it's a thing called rock tripe,

34:58

is what they eat, which is this,

35:00

it's kind of, I think it's more

35:03

liken the moss and the moss and

35:05

you would eat it's, and you would

35:07

eat it's, and you would eat it's,

35:09

and you would eat it's, but you

35:11

had to soak it for long periods

35:13

and change the water a lot because

35:15

if you didn't it would basically give

35:17

you the constant shits. Oh no. So

35:19

you had to, yeah. So has it

35:21

been, if it's in an animal's stomach,

35:24

because it kind of been pretty soaked?

35:26

That would help it, I guess. Maybe

35:28

it foments a little bit in there.

35:30

Yeah, maybe that's why they did it.

35:32

It's like having oats pre-milked, yeah. And

35:34

you could, you came in like, like,

35:36

um... I've sort of imagined like a

35:38

meat loaf because often it would be

35:40

in the caribou's stomach and they'd take

35:42

the stomach out wholesale and it would

35:45

freeze obviously because it's freezing and then

35:47

you just hack off bits so what

35:49

you get is a nice mixture of,

35:51

you know, like if you have a

35:53

sort of sausage meat loaf with like

35:55

herbs through it, it's like you get

35:57

a mixture of caribou's stomach and moss.

35:59

Yeah, love it. Yeah, very nice. Another

36:01

exploration type who witnessed the way that

36:03

they ate their food and then transposedosed

36:06

it. I don't know how I do

36:08

about this. What's this? Captain Birds are...

36:10

basically was out in Labrador for quite

36:12

a while and he noticed all the

36:14

indigenous Inuit freezing their food and then

36:16

being able to heat it later and

36:18

it tastes really good. Frozen food was

36:20

happening already around the world but the

36:22

thawing process was really bad. If you

36:24

if you unfrozen your food it suddenly

36:27

lost its taste it was really oddly

36:29

in the texture of it and so

36:31

on. And he applied the method that

36:33

he saw the Inuit do to his

36:35

frozen food company and that's what sparked

36:37

frozen food. as a massive industry. And

36:39

of course birdside today never sell sausages

36:41

because land and turf. The early caribou

36:43

intestine and moss. was not popular with

36:46

kids at daytime. Oh, you better that

36:48

anyone's eating it. Yeah, he noticed that

36:50

when they hot some fish and froze

36:52

it in the middle of winter, it

36:54

tastes way better than when they caught

36:56

it in like the spring and froze

36:58

it because it was so much quicker

37:00

that the freezing process happened. Right. And

37:02

it just made things taste better and

37:04

then that made him, you know, do

37:07

his own version. So basically his trick

37:09

is free stuff really quickly. It's

37:11

wise words. Yeah, wise. Another taboo? Even

37:13

if you're allowed to make reindeer-based clothing,

37:15

right? Some groups of people, you would

37:18

match your clothes to the sex of

37:20

the caribou that the skin came from.

37:22

Cool. So men, human men, would wear

37:24

male caribou-based skin clothing. Okay. Do you

37:27

think you'd be able to tell the

37:29

difference? I think if I was an

37:31

Inuit, I would. Yeah, you probably could.

37:33

Because apparently the skin is a bit

37:36

tougher and therefore supposedly better for hunting

37:38

in. And the women would use the

37:40

thinner skin from the female caribou for

37:42

their own clothes. Really? Because presumably they're,

37:45

you know, doing the macrami. Again, if

37:47

you've only got the male caribou and

37:49

you're freezing, you know, Franklin went on

37:52

an exception of the North and he

37:54

got trapped and they had no... food

37:56

and stuff. He had some innuet people

37:58

with him there and he said that

38:01

when they got really desperate they would

38:03

eat their clothes. Oh, okay, so that's

38:05

quite useful. Yeah, some of the sleds,

38:07

right, as well. Yeah, the sleds were

38:10

sort of very frozen, they weren't frozen

38:12

fish. I think I've remember they were

38:14

frozen fish, some of them, really, really

38:16

frozen, consistently frozen fish. And some of

38:19

the alleew people, speaking of edible clothes,

38:21

they had gutt parkers. So, any large

38:23

sea mammal, their guts are very good

38:25

for making a weatherproof, waterproof, windproof, parker

38:28

out of, and some aloe people made

38:30

robes from sea otter intestine. Wow! You

38:32

know that did your parents have a

38:35

say to you if you did something

38:37

bad, they say, I'll have your guts

38:39

for gatas. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They

38:41

were probably aloeats. Sorry, come to run.

38:44

That's it. But because they really sort

38:46

of had like three ingredients, like three

38:48

ingredients. They used all of it. A

38:50

real delicacy was caribou head and fermented

38:53

contents of caribou stomach and lots of

38:55

caribou droppings made into a soup. Could

38:57

we eat it with our... If it

38:59

was on a plate right now would

39:02

I get sick if I ate it?

39:04

You might not be used to it.

39:06

You might not be used to it.

39:09

It might well do. It's poo, like

39:11

we're talking poo. I think you'd struggle

39:13

to keep it down in the first

39:15

instance. Yeah. I don't think we're recommending

39:18

eating any poo, sorry Emma. It's a

39:20

good job Captain Bertai saw the fish

39:22

freezing thing, not the poo eating thing.

39:24

Caribou head poo soup has not taken

39:27

off. How different would the world be

39:29

right now? Waitrow's freezer section would be

39:31

an exciting place. There are things about

39:33

whether Inuit people would specially adapted and

39:36

were, because you know the stuff about

39:38

the Mediterranean diet. you know, lots of

39:40

vegetables, lots of olive oil and so

39:43

on. People wonder for a long time

39:45

why Inuit people were able to live

39:47

on a diet that's basically... just fat

39:49

and protein. There's no carbidex. Where's the

39:52

vitamins coming from? Where's the vitamin? It's

39:54

confusing. Almost no vegetation apart from a

39:56

little bit in summer. And they do

39:58

have a few genetic adaptations, it's believed

40:01

now, which make it easier for them

40:03

to eat a lot more fat than

40:05

everyone else and survive. They have slightly

40:07

bigger livers. because they need to make

40:10

more glucose from protein. They wee a

40:12

lot more to get rid of all

40:14

the extra urea that they're taking in

40:17

in their diet. But also... God so

40:19

annoying to be weying so much when

40:21

you're in such a cold place. I

40:23

know, I know, it's bad. Yeah. They

40:26

must have a system where you don't

40:28

need to take things out. There's an

40:30

utter gut tuning system that's... You've got

40:32

to be like astronauts at that point,

40:35

right? Yeah. But also there are lots

40:37

of... they're... they were genuinely less healthy

40:39

in other ways in other ways, as

40:41

in other ways, as in other ways,

40:44

as in other ways, as in... you

40:46

know like they had lots of hardening

40:48

of the arteries dating back hundreds of

40:50

years just because you're eating mostly fat

40:53

and protein so yeah yeah yeah make

40:55

sense sometimes they just find a tiny

40:57

bird an Arctic bird and they swallow

41:00

it whole skin it and swallow it

41:02

whole which I'm impressing and swallow a

41:04

bird whole this is just what the...

41:06

How big is this bird? Wait a

41:09

minute was there a spider that wriggled

41:11

and jiggled and tickled inside them? Yeah

41:13

eventually it's only the whole rain deer.

41:15

Kiviak is one thing that they do

41:18

you that they do? and then they

41:20

fill it with loads of tiny little

41:22

orchs, little birds. A-U-K. No, yeah, not

41:24

A-W-K. Orchs. You mean a bit of

41:27

ox? So you have about 300 little

41:29

orch birds and you put them in

41:31

a seal skin and then you bury

41:34

it under some rocks and ferment it

41:36

and then eventually you eat it. but

41:38

you have to use orchs. In 2013

41:40

there was a load of people from

41:43

the town of Sierra Palak and they

41:45

made kiviak out of Ida ducks and

41:47

Ida ducks don't ferment as well as

41:49

orchs and a few people died. Because

41:52

they need to ferment in the proper

41:54

way that makes them edible. Silly billies.

41:56

That's why there are these taboos is

41:58

because it's actually really sound. food guidance

42:01

that people have learned through trial and

42:03

error over centuries. I mean that would

42:05

make sense for that to be a

42:08

taboo against eating eye deducts fermented inside

42:10

the seal, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you

42:12

know what the Scandinavian Sami used raindeous

42:14

bleam for? That's like a question for

42:17

the news quiz. So this week, one

42:19

of the Sami people of the Arctic

42:21

being doing with rainiest clean Santa Sachs.

42:23

Oh, very nice. It is to eat,

42:26

but it's for a particular group of

42:28

people in your civilization. Well, babies. Got

42:30

in one? Oh, nice. They're easy to

42:32

suck on. They're slightly, sort of training

42:35

food. Okay. Spleen. That makes sense because

42:37

a lot of the food that people

42:39

were eating was just solid frozen, even

42:41

though you were saying they sometimes stored

42:44

it. Very often they just didn't have

42:46

the equipment to make a fire a

42:48

big enough to thaw it. So, and

42:51

it's so hard for a newborn baby

42:53

to show down a massive frozen chunk

42:55

of raw meat. So frozen jerky. Yeah,

42:57

not as a reason why very little

43:00

baby food is frozen jerky. Yeah, yeah.

43:02

But yeah, Rainedo Spline is apparently good

43:04

for your tot. Well, there you go.

43:06

If you run out of those little

43:09

Ella pouches, that's something to consider. Okay,

43:15

it is time for our final

43:17

fact of the show, and that

43:19

is James. Okay, my fact this

43:21

week is that men can have

43:23

three penises without knowing it. So

43:25

I checked. And yeah, no surprise.

43:27

Yeah, surprise. You only have the

43:29

normal four. The normal five. Yeah,

43:31

it's a, this is very interesting,

43:33

isn't it? Because they're not obvious.

43:36

No, they're not. They're hidden inside

43:38

your body. This was a thing

43:40

called trifalia, and it was only

43:42

seen in a human for the

43:44

first time in 2020 in a

43:46

newborn baby. but then in 2024

43:48

I think on 2023 there was

43:50

a recent study from the University

43:52

of Birmingham Medical School where they

43:54

dissected a 78 year old man

43:56

who donated his body to science

43:58

and found that he had an

44:00

extra two penises hidden up there.

44:02

Yeah. It's hidden. It's like they

44:04

were inside his scrotum. Yeah. So

44:06

they were small. They were really

44:08

really small. Well, let's not judge

44:10

any. Okay. Yeah, they were really

44:12

small and they kind of they

44:14

attached to his normal penis like

44:16

the urethra kind of went through.

44:18

They said that there was no

44:20

dead end. So if you imagine,

44:22

like, if the urine had not

44:25

had a real, just a straight

44:27

place to go, then he might

44:29

have got a lot of urine

44:31

infections and stuff like that. But

44:33

actually it seemed like mostly everything

44:35

was kind of fine there. He

44:37

might have experienced some pain during

44:39

sex if he got some internal

44:41

erections and wondering what that was.

44:43

That's you know, you think it

44:45

would have the opposite of it?

44:47

It's like 10,000 spoons when all

44:49

you need is a knife, isn't

44:51

it? Right, three penises when all

44:53

you need is a good chag.

44:55

Okay. They were called two small

44:57

supernumerary penises stacked in a sagittal

44:59

orientation posterior inferiorly to the primary

45:01

penis. Lovely stuff. Yeah. And then

45:03

he had two big guy. Big

45:05

guy. That's the old collet. Be

45:07

good enough? Guy. I didn't actually

45:09

really know the layout, the structure

45:11

of the penis very well until

45:14

this. So you've got these two

45:16

bodies of tissue, one on top

45:18

and one underneath. The corpus cavernosa

45:20

and the corpus spongyosum, the urethra

45:22

runs through the middle. And so

45:24

in his mini penis, he had

45:26

those spongy bits as well. And

45:28

in the secondary penis, the second

45:30

main one. the standing, the urethra

45:32

actually did still run through the

45:34

middle of that. But in the

45:36

third one, the urethra didn't even

45:38

bother. But it was so small

45:40

that it didn't really matter. Yeah.

45:42

But the corporate cabinet is the

45:44

bit that fills up with the

45:46

blood. that's the, I think I

45:48

might have mentioned it before, that's

45:50

the bit that fills the blood

45:52

which allows you to have an

45:54

right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. This guy,

45:56

this is quite recent news, you

45:58

know, he's lived a long life,

46:00

78 years, he's probably had chats

46:02

with his family as he's going,

46:05

what do you think I'll be

46:07

remembered for? What do you think

46:09

they'll talk about me? One of

46:11

his kids is sat there. Yeah,

46:13

I mean who knows what, everyone

46:15

listening to this podcast will have,

46:17

people might have extra fingers or

46:19

extra, you can get extra nipples

46:21

can't you, but really subtle ones

46:23

that you can barely tell that

46:25

they're there. Yeah, yeah, so you

46:27

know there's all sorts you can

46:29

have. Well these things are quite

46:31

rare and I was thinking about

46:33

it would be good if we

46:35

were more likely to have some

46:37

of these interesting extra body parts,

46:39

so I was looking at the

46:41

more likely ones. And did you

46:43

know that 20% of people, maybe

46:45

up to 30% of people, estimates,

46:47

estimates, estimates theory, have an extra

46:49

spleen? Oh that'd be useful when

46:51

we're feeding our kids. Yeah, yeah,

46:54

yeah, the splenunculi, an extra spleen.

46:56

Yeah, and it's a little accessory

46:58

spleen. They tend to be very

47:00

small and quite near your main

47:02

spleen. And yeah, I think we

47:04

don't really know why. I think

47:06

they think it's often you'll get

47:08

a little injured or bumped when

47:10

you're younger and it'll split off

47:12

from the main scene. So this

47:14

isn't done in the womb. It's

47:16

not the fetus. I don't think

47:18

so. No, it's not. So there

47:20

was a guy who was playing

47:22

Ultimate Frisbee on day. He was

47:24

slightly injured. He ruptured his spleen.

47:26

He ruptured his. And so the

47:28

spleen that sort of filters out

47:30

damaged red blood cells and it's

47:32

very very useful Although it's not

47:34

it's not crucial a lot of

47:36

people have a spleen off and

47:38

it's fine Yes, that's true, but

47:40

it has a role in the

47:42

immune system and things like that

47:45

But it's as you say it's

47:47

not essential But if it's hurt

47:49

bits of it splinter off through

47:51

the body and it depends where

47:53

they land so if they land

47:55

someone with a good blood supply

47:57

they will grow into another micro

47:59

spleen just drop it up and

48:01

hope a new one grows somewhere

48:03

in you. Like dropping up a

48:05

worm basically. Oh, does that actually,

48:07

I thought they didn't know if that works

48:10

yet. I said they hope, I

48:12

didn't say they're guaranteed yet. Because

48:14

something else that I also read

48:17

weirdly conversely is if you're having

48:19

a splenexomy, which is like if

48:21

you've got blood disorder or something,

48:24

you have to have a spleen

48:26

out, but you know, the malfunction

48:29

will stay. So you've got to search the

48:31

whole, but you've got to open up someone's

48:33

entire body and search. Yeah. There's another thing

48:35

which is called the LRP5 gene, which when

48:37

it has a mutation, bones have a higher

48:39

density about them. So they've noticed that there

48:41

are people who just can't break their bones.

48:44

Probably if you really, really went for it,

48:46

ultimately it could break, but in a situation

48:48

where most people would break their bones. they

48:50

would just not have a crack.

48:52

And it seems to happen a

48:54

lot in America in Connecticut, who

48:56

people have been identified. So something's

48:58

going on, the mutation is passing

49:00

through genetically. But one of the

49:02

symptoms where you could know that

49:04

you have this is difficulty staying

49:06

afloat while swimming. Anna. Anna, done,

49:08

done. The only person we know

49:10

to sink in the dead sea.

49:12

Oh my God. And my mom

49:14

was so weirdly close to that

49:17

guy from Connecticut, who used to

49:19

visit all the time when I

49:21

was a kid. That's amazing. Have

49:23

you ever broken a bone? No. Oh

49:25

no, I've broken loads of bones.

49:28

Only small ones though. Like wrist

49:30

bones and my jaw. Does it still

49:32

count down in it? I'm only the

49:34

minor ones. You were with me when

49:36

I broke my jaw. In fact, weren't

49:39

you? Don't get any more facts wrong

49:41

on QI. Wow. Yeah, it's a top

49:43

shipping run, guys. There was an interesting

49:45

thing in 2020, which is the first

49:47

medical case, I think, of someone who

49:49

was shot in the chest, but survived

49:52

because his heart was on the

49:54

opposite side of his body to

49:56

most people. Brilliant. Cool. Isn't that

49:58

cool? It actually happened. So this is

50:00

a thing called Citis in verses where all

50:03

of your organs are on the wrong side.

50:05

There's about one in six thousands, 12,000 people

50:07

have it, but most people would never know

50:09

they had it. But what's kind of interesting

50:12

is Dr. Know had it in the novel,

50:14

in the Jay's Bond novel. Did he? And

50:16

he was shot. in the wrong side of

50:18

his body, just like this guy in the

50:21

medical literature a few years ago, he survived

50:23

and he got a God complex because he

50:25

thought this makes me special and that's why

50:28

he became such a bad guy. Oh, sorry,

50:30

Dr. No did, not the other, this guy,

50:32

I don't know about the other guy. Did

50:34

Dr. No, did, this guy, I don't know

50:37

about the other guy. Did Dr. No, I

50:39

don't know about the doctor told him and

50:41

he was like, like, like the doctor, like

50:43

the doctor, I remember my... My dad watching

50:46

a movie and him explaining to me, because

50:48

a lady shoots a man in the chest

50:50

and leads him to die, but she shot

50:52

him, she knows. And it's a love. Your

50:55

heart is quite near the middle, isn't it?

50:57

As in... It's nearer the middle than we

50:59

all think, which is just out of the

51:02

left nipple. Yeah, it's got to be a

51:04

very good shot, hasn't it? And you're still

51:06

going to scrape probably a bit of it.

51:08

Because what does it really affect? This cetus

51:11

in versus thing where you're the other way

51:13

around? Because your lungs, unaffected. Oh liver, because

51:15

you've only got one liver, one spleen, gallbladder.

51:17

Also your spleen as we've heard could be

51:20

literally anywhere. Yes, but your liver is a

51:22

big one I think. Yeah, because that's massive

51:24

isn't it. I mean you probably will die

51:26

if you've been shot in the chest anyway,

51:29

right? We should say. Again, don't hope. Don't

51:31

eat poo and don't get a shot in

51:33

the chest. You're going to take any message

51:35

from this podcast. All these things about unusual

51:38

body parts that we're talking about. I think

51:40

in my interest a guy called Etienne de

51:42

Beaumont, who was someone living in Paris in

51:45

the early 20th century. And he was a

51:47

big old pot show and he liked to

51:49

do lots of parties and stuff. He was

51:51

a friend of Coco Chanel. And one of

51:54

his parties in 19, the theme of it

51:56

was that every guest had to arrive. with

51:58

the most interesting body part exposed. Cool. So

52:00

whatever you think your most interesting body part

52:03

is, if it's your head, look at you.

52:05

If you shall spleen, tough. Very hard. What

52:07

would you go for Andy? Sorry to put

52:09

you on the spot. That is fine. Well

52:12

that weird gross down there is. I would

52:14

go with that. That'll be it. I've got

52:16

a weird shape finger. The finger which got

52:19

shut in the door when I was tiny

52:21

and it's permanently disfigured as a result. Oh

52:23

yeah, do you think that would break the

52:25

ice at this party? I think I'm not

52:28

getting invited to this party and that's if

52:30

I filled in the form and put that

52:32

on my RFVP, this is the thing that

52:34

I'm going to come with exposed. I think

52:37

it's going to be a dull dull light

52:39

for a little bit. That's weird because I

52:41

was going to pick my finger look like

52:43

an elephant. I think we'd be put on

52:46

the same table. I think you'll be put

52:48

on the table with other people who could

52:50

do elephant impressions. Do we know what any

52:52

if anyone beat Dan and Andy suggestions? No

52:55

I don't have like I really tried to

52:57

find out and really every source just tells

52:59

you that this existed. I got it from

53:02

a biography of Coco Chanel initially. Because we

53:04

were either going for... Oh my genitals are

53:06

the most interesting part, here they are. Or

53:08

what is it? I mean can you expose,

53:11

what can you expose? Yeah, ankle, elbow. It's

53:13

joints and genitals. It's going to be this

53:15

party. You don't want interesting genitals, do you?

53:17

I think you want standard genitals. But they

53:20

might be the most interesting thing about you.

53:22

Okay, yeah, if you had three. On things

53:24

you don't know or inside your body, I

53:26

mean this is silly, I was just reading

53:29

a doctor talking on read it about experiences

53:31

of patients with weird stuff inside the body

53:33

and saying a young man came in complaining

53:36

of a headache and sorry this was someone

53:38

who worked in radiology and said, and so

53:40

they wanted to find out the cause of

53:42

the headache and so they asked for a

53:45

history, anything that could be relevant to this

53:47

headache, the man said nothing to report. If

53:49

we scan his head, CT shows a bullet

53:51

rattling loose between his... nasal cavity in his

53:54

brain. So I asked the guy, have you

53:56

ever been shot in the face? And he

53:58

said, oh yeah, I guess I forgot to

54:00

mention that. You've got to run back through

54:03

your full history sometimes. That's amazing. I read

54:05

something about a guy in 1911 called Alexander

54:07

Grail who fought two duels near New Orleans.

54:09

and the first one someone that sort of

54:12

stabbed him with a sword and it went

54:14

right through his lungs and then he went

54:16

to hospital managed to come out but he's

54:19

really sick he walks they said in the

54:21

newspapers he was bowed like an oxygenarian he

54:23

had a bit of surgery but doctors are

54:25

like this is not going to work mate

54:28

you've got a huge abscess there you're going

54:30

to die And he thought well I'm gonna

54:32

die now, so I might as well do

54:34

more duels. I might as well Say fuck

54:37

you to the people who upset me in

54:39

the past so he got into another duel

54:41

And the person shot him. Yeah in the

54:43

exact place where the sword had gone in

54:46

and it drained the abscess and he got

54:48

cured Yes Wow. And sorry, is this one

54:50

of the things we are recommending? Yes, absolutely.

54:53

If you've been in a jewel and got

54:55

an abscess on your lungs, get in another

54:57

jewel immediately. Okay, that's it. That is all

54:59

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