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into this week's episode. It is our

2:12

Valentine's Day special. Enjoy our sexy sexy

2:14

facts on with the show. Hello

2:29

and welcome to another episode of

2:31

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2:33

a weekly podcast coming to you

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from the QI offices in Hoburn.

2:37

My name is Dan Schreiber. I'm

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sitting here with James Harkin, Anna

2:41

Tshinsky, and Andrew Hunter Murray. And

2:43

once again, we have gathered around

2:45

the microphones with our four favorite

2:47

Valentine's Day facts. And in no

2:49

particular order, here we go. Starting

2:51

with fact number one, and that

2:53

is Andy. Before flirting with females,

2:55

young male dolphins practice on their

2:57

male friends. Happy Valentine's Day everyone.

2:59

Yeah, this is an erotic special.

3:01

Roses are red, this fact is

3:03

very blue. It is quite blue

3:05

actually. What do they practice? How

3:07

blue is it? Because dolphins are

3:09

blue. Yeah, they're rude. Are they?

3:11

Well they're sort of blueish, aren't

3:13

they? They're gray? Gray, blue, blue,

3:15

gray. This is a place that

3:17

actually is a friend of the

3:19

podcast. It's Shark Bay in Australia

3:21

where some research was done. We

3:23

said it was renamed Safety Beach.

3:26

Yeah, we did. Yeah, I think

3:28

that was fake. I think that's

3:30

a retraction we need to make.

3:32

Oh great, okay. Are we all

3:34

making that as a group? No,

3:36

just me. Leave it to me.

3:38

You guys, you guys stay unblemished.

3:40

So there's a group of dolphins

3:42

who've been living there and they've

3:44

been studying for about 40 years.

3:46

They're really, really, well, the best

3:48

studied group of dolphins in the

3:50

world. They have very complicated social

3:52

relationships with each other. particular females

3:54

and that this is where it

3:56

gets a bit Flirting is a

3:58

very nice way of describing it,

4:00

because male dolphins sort of coerce

4:02

and harass individual females and try

4:04

and separate them from whichever males

4:06

they're hanging out with. But then

4:08

they do some displays of acrobatics

4:10

and somersaults. It sounds like a

4:12

sort of sea world thing. You

4:14

know, they do tricks. They do

4:16

also bite her sometimes. Anyway. They're

4:18

really getting some mixed signals here.

4:20

I don't want to get all

4:23

rubbing thickie on your ass. Yeah,

4:25

so, but they do practice with

4:27

each other and the ones who

4:29

practice with each other have better

4:31

success later in life, romantically, you

4:33

know, they farther more offspring than

4:35

the ones that don't. Do they

4:37

ever fall in love with each

4:39

other accidentally? Oh my God. Good

4:41

question. Flipper three. Reminds me a

4:43

bit of a friend's episode where

4:45

Joey helps trigger the janitor to

4:47

dance. He's his dance partner and

4:49

he sort of starts to wish

4:51

that he was his real dance

4:53

partner. I wonder if there are

4:55

dolphins out there who just like,

4:57

let's one more practice. I think

4:59

so. I mean there's lots of,

5:01

you occasionally see, I found a

5:03

lot of headlines in the mail,

5:05

the daily mail saying things like,

5:07

more gay dolphins spotted off Canada,

5:09

like it's very frank concern for

5:11

them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But

5:13

it is sort of their male

5:15

bonds are sort of nice. It

5:17

does seem like this study I

5:20

think was the first to reveal

5:22

that they have a buddy system

5:24

and they'll pick a best friend.

5:26

Some of the males, not all

5:28

of the males, they'll pick a

5:30

best friend. They'll pick a best

5:32

friend and they'll pick a best

5:34

friend and that'll be someone that

5:36

they hang out with for their

5:38

whole life. And sometimes you'll have

5:40

the two male buddies who hang

5:42

out together. Once there's quite a

5:44

few ways that dolphins can mate,

5:46

there's a sort of T-section shape

5:48

that they do, so the male

5:50

dolphin goes sort of horizontal against

5:52

the vertical of the female dolphin

5:54

in order to have sex, there's

5:56

a few other methods. One method

5:58

that gets described for one of

6:00

the dolphins is having this buddy,

6:02

the wingman, come and at surface

6:04

level sort of hold for buoyancy

6:06

reasons. So they're sort of there

6:08

just to prop them up to

6:10

make sure that sex can happen,

6:12

which a lot of NASA scientists

6:15

are saying that might be the

6:17

best way that humans will have

6:19

sex. We're not taking dolphins up

6:21

to Mars. We're not taking dolphins.

6:23

We're just screwing like them. If

6:25

sex is happening, there needs to

6:27

be a third astronaut to come

6:29

in and just hold everything. Surely

6:31

not. There was a recent report

6:33

by someone who's trying to work

6:35

on the problem of population and

6:37

space. I think dolphins are perverts

6:39

really. I think by any. Why?

6:41

Well, they have sex often with

6:43

their mothers, male dolphins. Oh, yeah.

6:45

Bottom those dolphins, like to gather

6:47

around gray whales when they're mating.

6:49

And no one really knows why,

6:51

but they seems just enjoy watching.

6:53

Right. You can't get porn underwater.

6:55

So their mum's nipples are up

6:57

their butt, so when they breastfeed.

6:59

It is. It is. So when

7:01

they breastfeed, they literally burrow their

7:03

dolphin noses into the anus of

7:05

their mum. No, that can't be

7:07

true. Is it really? I didn't

7:09

just come up with that. I

7:12

mean, it's possible I did just

7:14

come up with that, but... Okay,

7:16

can we bust one myth? Yeah,

7:18

sure. This is exciting stuff not

7:20

to blow wide open, but to

7:22

close down. And it's a thing

7:24

we have propagated actually in the

7:26

past. So, you know, it's left

7:28

for the rest for us. It's

7:30

the, the, the, the, the, the

7:32

blowhole, the blowhole sex myth. What's

7:34

the myth that they have sex

7:36

with their blowholes? Yeah. And we've

7:38

claimed that. I think so. I

7:40

mean, a long time ago, a

7:42

lot, like nine years ago. I

7:44

think, you know, we're different people.

7:46

person who had authored that 1994

7:48

article who said, and I'm quoting

7:50

here, with regard to the blowhole,

7:52

they never inserted the penis entirely.

7:54

I don't know whether that stands

7:56

up in court and the young

7:58

gonna say. What percentage of the

8:00

penis? Only 25. That's fine. But

8:02

they breathe through it. Turns out

8:04

they can breathe through their mouth

8:06

as well, which we didn't know

8:09

until 2016. It's assumed that they

8:11

can't breathe because we've never seen

8:13

them breathing through their mouth, but

8:15

they found one dolphin with a

8:17

damaged blowhole. Wonder what? Are you

8:19

being seriously out of damage by?

8:21

No word. Or what did the

8:23

damage? And they found that it

8:25

was breathing through its mouth as

8:27

a result. So possibly even dolphins

8:29

don't know they can breathe through

8:31

their mouth. Wow. Yeah. And we

8:33

call them clever. I feel like

8:35

everything I've said is a lie.

8:37

So far. Where did you get

8:39

all this stuff from then? It's

8:41

just stuff I know. We've talked

8:43

a lot in the past about

8:45

dolphins having military connections. They've worked

8:47

with the military. Yeah. A lot.

8:49

I didn't know this. There's like

8:51

the biggest hoard of nuclear weapons.

8:53

is in a submarine base in

8:55

America. and it's protected by military

8:57

dolphins. So anyone trying to get

8:59

access to it has to face

9:01

a dolphin. Is that amazing? And

9:03

what happens to- Sometimes I think

9:06

you have your own different Google

9:08

for the rest of us. Well,

9:10

the interesting thing is, so they

9:12

can't- It's very hard to monitor

9:14

an underwater base with nuclear weapons,

9:16

so they need an animal that

9:18

can just be there all the

9:20

time to do it. Where is

9:22

this? Where? It's near Boston. Yeah,

9:24

you can't. give away the exact

9:26

location I'm sure damn. Yeah, it's

9:28

Seattle, it's 20 miles. Oh, Seattle,

9:30

it's 5,000 miles from Boston, world.

9:32

It's the world's largest single location

9:34

of Arsenal of nuclear weapons. Wow,

9:36

it's under water. It's under water,

9:38

right? And so they have these

9:40

military dolphins and they have this

9:42

amazing thing where if someone's swimming

9:44

to try and get access to

9:46

this submarine base, to steal a

9:48

nuke, one man just swimming to

9:50

get to it. The dolphins have

9:52

a metal plate in their plate

9:54

in their mouth. the swimmer, they

9:56

can attach like a like a

9:58

subtle handcuff going to your leg.

10:01

Honestly, this is what happens. It

10:03

goes around the leg or the

10:05

arm of the person. and then

10:07

it deploys a boy and floats

10:09

them like just goes whoop and

10:11

they just disappear up to the

10:13

surface. Were they arrested by a

10:15

police dolphin at the top? The

10:17

dolphins are purely underwater base so

10:19

that becomes a human problem when

10:21

we arrive at the top. That's

10:23

either extraordinary or what are you

10:25

talking about? That's incredible, unbelievable. This

10:27

was in 2010 so it's possible

10:29

the dolphins. Oh yeah, maybe not

10:31

to par places now. Well they

10:33

get seals as well, navy seals

10:35

but like actual seals. Oh yeah,

10:37

I feel like we have, I've

10:39

actually mentioned that before, we can't

10:41

just laugh at everything down. From

10:43

now on now, it's true. You've

10:45

got to start with something more

10:47

believable down and then build up

10:49

to this. Well we know that

10:51

they do this kind of stuff.

10:53

It's only Cold War super powers,

10:55

isn't it? It's only America and

10:58

Russia that we know of. That

11:00

we know of. That have trained

11:02

dolphins. I thought Israel did. Oh

11:04

yeah, they did. I'm sure of

11:06

the military powers of experiment with

11:08

all that experiment with all that

11:10

stuff. You know poor poises that

11:12

you mentioned, you know they're the

11:14

reason that we call tortoises, tortoises.

11:16

Which I don't think we've mentioned

11:18

before, but because poor poise, which

11:20

is basically a dolphin. This whole

11:22

show, it does feel a bit

11:24

like it, doesn't it? No, this

11:26

is absolutely correct. Poor poise, etymologically,

11:28

it means pigfish, so the poor

11:30

is like, has the same root

11:32

as pork, pork, and... Pois, it's

11:34

like Poisson, Poise, fish. Tortises were

11:36

always tortoise. They ended just in

11:38

US, probably coming from a word

11:40

meaning twisted. But once we started

11:42

having poor poises, people went, well,

11:44

since we spell that like that,

11:46

should we make it tortoises? Should

11:48

we make it tortoises as well?

11:50

Because it sounds similar. And we

11:52

think that's the only theory we

11:55

have for why suddenly about 500

11:57

years ago was. the sonnet unfortunately

11:59

and so it was really important

12:01

yeah can we talk about dolphin

12:03

Vaginas? Of course, quickly. They have

12:05

clitresses and the clitresses are so

12:07

accessible when they're having sex that

12:09

we think they're probably used for

12:11

pleasure. Okay. But the vagina is

12:13

really, it's like, unlike most mammals

12:15

where it's really just like a

12:17

straight tube. With them it goes

12:19

in all sorts of different directions

12:21

and stuff like that. And you

12:23

can tell what species a dolphin

12:25

is by looking at its vagina.

12:27

to be impregnated. Sorry, do you

12:29

mean it's like a maze? Because

12:31

of course a labyrinth only has

12:33

one root, doesn't it? So that

12:35

wouldn't fall anyone. Labyrinth is like

12:37

a spiral. There's no dead ends

12:39

in a labyrinth. Yes, no, it's

12:41

a maze. Because we'd get a

12:43

lot of emails. You're right. You're

12:45

right, you're right. Can I just

12:47

very quickly mention the basketball player

12:50

who had a great altercation with

12:52

the dolphin Clifford Ray? He became

12:54

super famous for this in 1978

12:56

for a short while There was

12:58

a dolphin called mr. Spock they

13:00

realized that there was a bolt

13:02

and a really sharp screw stuck

13:04

stuck in its stomach and second

13:06

stomach down so quite far in

13:08

the vet says I can't operate

13:10

to remove it my arm won't

13:12

reach down his throat enough And

13:14

then they were like who's got

13:16

really long arms this basketball player

13:18

Clifford Clifford Ray famously has arms

13:20

three foot nine inches long, which

13:22

is long. So they got in

13:24

touch with Clifford. who was at

13:26

a premiering for some reason and

13:28

he rocked, he was taking a

13:30

premiering waiting to go to a,

13:32

you know, to a game and

13:34

he rocked up and he was

13:36

guided by a speakerphone by an

13:38

expert in retrieving stuff from the

13:40

insides of dolphins while he inserted

13:42

his three foot nine inch long

13:44

arm into the dolphin and he's

13:47

like a labyrinth in here. Why

13:49

am I holding a nipple? Wait,

13:51

sorry, why was he on speakerphone?

13:53

Because he wasn't there. No, no,

13:55

he... Sorry, the basketball player was

13:57

there. The vet. The vet. Who

13:59

needed to... guide them. The expert

14:01

vet who knew all of that.

14:03

You're not going to turn up

14:05

to the most interesting dolphin based

14:07

of end of your life. He

14:09

was staying in the holiday in

14:11

in the next town. It was

14:13

too good to me. They didn't

14:15

have much time. And they said

14:17

as soon as once his arm

14:19

was in it was three minutes

14:21

and after that the dolphin would

14:23

suffocate and he had to get

14:25

all the way down. It's four

14:27

dolphins. It turns out there's just

14:29

one dolphin in the world. This

14:31

guy. Can I ask a question?

14:33

If they're short on time, the

14:35

dolphin is obviously in one place,

14:37

they immediately go who's got long

14:39

arms in the immediate vicinity. Yeah.

14:41

And he happens to be in

14:44

town? Well, he's from California, so

14:46

it's the same state. Okay, right.

14:48

And they needed really long arms.

14:50

Right. Like not just like you're

14:52

a bit tall. Mr. And what

14:54

he did it, he did it,

14:56

he did it with only, and

14:58

when there were 15 seconds to

15:00

spare he says he just remembers

15:02

the vet on the other, on

15:04

the other, on the other, on

15:06

the... What if he didn't, he

15:08

would die? Would it suffocate him?

15:10

And did Mr. Spock live long

15:12

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number two and that is Anna.

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fact this week is that the

18:10

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18:12

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18:14

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18:40

and it's just the most amazing

18:42

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18:44

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18:46

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18:48

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18:50

layer of ice and she's stuck

18:52

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18:54

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18:57

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18:59

she's dead. She's completely dead and

19:01

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19:03

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19:14

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19:18

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19:20

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19:22

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19:24

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19:26

Oh, Jesus Christ. James is poised

19:29

to use that. That is possible,

19:31

but have you got that out

19:33

of your system? Yeah? No more

19:35

famous lyrics in that. I don't

19:37

know any of this. I think

19:39

that's a relief for everyone. Anyway,

19:41

it's thought the CPR probably saved

19:44

her life along with a bunch

19:46

of other incredible doctors when she

19:48

got to hospital There were over

19:50

a hundred doctors in the room

19:52

or medical medical staff in the

19:54

room with her and She did

19:56

live and then a few years

19:58

later. She got together with this

20:01

chap and I believe as of

20:03

2022. They were still together But

20:05

really this was a way of

20:07

crowbarring this amazing story. Yeah, it

20:09

is an amazing story and they

20:11

thought no way she's coming back

20:13

for all the doctors. She was

20:15

literally this was medicine into the

20:18

unknown right it was that's a

20:20

frozen two song, just for you

20:22

all that. Oh, into the unknown,

20:24

sorry, into the unknown. Frozen two,

20:26

she becomes a GP, she, yeah.

20:28

There's a polar bear who's swallowed

20:30

a plastic bag and we need

20:33

the world's best curling team to

20:35

go and get it out. This

20:37

was a phenomenal thing. They thought

20:39

no way is she going to

20:41

survive, except they seem to have

20:43

a phrase there, the doctors, which

20:45

is something like, you're not dead

20:47

until we warm you up first.

20:50

So no one who's cold can

20:52

be declared dead. You've got to

20:54

bring them back to war. I

20:56

think that's true around the world,

20:58

and it's a really crucial thing

21:00

about being that cold, because, again,

21:02

it's what a lot of hypothermia

21:04

site to say. They're like a

21:07

goal. fish isn't it? If your

21:09

goldfish is floating upside down it

21:11

might not be dead it might

21:13

just have a swim bladder problem.

21:15

Is that so? Yeah so don't

21:17

flush it down the toilet. That's

21:19

really good advice. And the same

21:22

way with these people. Yeah don't

21:24

flush them down as they do.

21:26

Normally. When they're done. So this

21:28

accident she had, she was skiing,

21:30

she had a fall, she went

21:32

through a hole in the eyes.

21:34

Eight inches of ice? thick ice

21:36

and she was trapped under the

21:39

water like her clothes are immediately

21:41

soaked so therefore they're they're very

21:43

heavy she the shock paralyzes your

21:45

muscles so you can't move right

21:47

so her friends catch up with

21:49

her they and they can only

21:51

see her feet they cannot pull

21:53

her out because just the position

21:56

she's in and also just this

21:58

is because she's in the water

22:00

she's submerged it's a random air

22:02

pocket that her face happens to

22:04

be Nothing. Nothing is happening. It's

22:06

just extraordinary. It's amazing. Well, she's

22:08

dead. She's dead. She's dead. She's

22:11

dead. Well, I mean, it's not

22:13

what the definition of death. Exactly.

22:15

Is she warm? I don't think

22:17

so, guys. Good point. Good point.

22:19

She had no heartbeat for four

22:21

hours between when her head went

22:23

through the ice and when her

22:25

heart rate came back. And they

22:28

did it. And when they did,

22:30

she was paralyzed to begin with

22:32

and pissed off. So why did

22:34

you bring me back? Why did

22:36

you make me become alive again?

22:38

I now have to live a

22:40

life where I'm not going to

22:42

be the person that I wanted

22:45

to be. And she eventually calmed

22:47

down. She eventually calmed down. Well,

22:49

after she realized she wasn't paralyzed.

22:51

Well, after she realized she wasn't

22:53

paralyzed. Well, after she realized she

22:55

wasn't paralyzed. It's Valentine's Day. I

22:57

love it. The thing I find

23:00

nuts is she skied again. Absolutely.

23:02

She's really into downhill skiing. Six

23:04

years later she skied again. Did

23:06

she stay on peace from now

23:08

on? I don't know. She just

23:10

went to the cafe bit. I

23:12

believe she's really into extreme skiing

23:14

still. Because people are insane. Can

23:17

we say what she got down

23:19

too? So normally your core temperature

23:21

is 37 degrees, right? If your

23:23

core goes down below 35, you're

23:25

officially in hypothermia. Her temperature, her

23:27

core temperature went down to 13.7

23:29

degrees Celsius. And then a bit

23:31

later, there was a kid who

23:34

went to 13, who's the coldest

23:36

anyone has ever been. Yeah. And

23:38

apparently this is more common to

23:40

work in children. This idea of

23:42

sort of freezing yourself and then

23:44

coming back to life and it's

23:46

because you have a greater surface

23:49

area compared to your volume, which

23:51

means that you cool down a

23:53

lot quicker. And that's why... And

23:55

you want to do that quick

23:57

freezing at the start? That's kind

23:59

of how it works. So that's

24:01

why you need to keep babies

24:03

warm at night because they cool

24:06

no faster. So the thing is

24:08

when you get really really cold,

24:10

the oxygen demand of your brain

24:12

lowers drastically. And if you're cold

24:14

enough before your heart stops, that's

24:16

the key. That's why doing the

24:19

CPR is so important. Then the

24:21

cell death, which normally happens when

24:23

you don't have any circulation, it

24:26

doesn't happen. So her brain needed

24:28

no oxygen. I think it was

24:30

like, it had 10% of the

24:32

oxygen requirements of your brain normally.

24:34

Sorry, go on. Well, just to

24:36

say that because this happened, they're

24:38

now using the idea of freezing

24:41

people really... really really cold and

24:43

they might survive. Yes and in

24:45

fact even though it's quite standard now

24:47

or it's done a lot but we

24:49

actually don't know why it works and

24:51

they think that actually it's not about

24:53

the effects of your heart stopping which

24:55

deprives your brain of oxygen it's actually

24:57

about when your heart starts again and

25:00

I didn't know this but if you

25:02

have a heart attack or if your

25:04

heart stops one of the really common

25:06

ways that you die is when your

25:08

heart starts starts again and it's this

25:10

thing called repurfusion And it means that

25:12

if your heart's been stopped for long

25:14

enough, then all the chemistry in your

25:16

brain has changed so much in ways that

25:18

don't quite understand. If blood suddenly floods back

25:20

in there, it completely messes it up and

25:22

you die. Wow. And so in this way,

25:24

I think it allows that to happen much

25:27

more gradually, or it like slows the brain

25:29

down, allows it to be, you know, a

25:31

bit more controlled. Is the word reper a

25:33

deliberate use there of the danger? Reper fusion.

25:35

Uh, no. It's not a dreamer. I think

25:37

it's probably just a fusion with a ray

25:40

on the front. Yeah, the standard prefix, re.

25:42

Interesting. It should be. They shouldn't put the

25:44

A in though. Did you guys read about

25:46

the two things that happen when you have

25:48

hypothermia that are most bizarre? Oh yeah, yes.

25:51

If someone has died of hypothermia, you

25:53

shouldn't just look on the floor, look

25:55

in all the crevices and look in

25:57

all the like the shelving units because

25:59

they might... curled up in there because

26:01

it's a it's a reaction terminal borrowing

26:03

yeah yeah yeah that was that was

26:06

interesting the other one is taking a

26:08

clothes off isn't it yes and it

26:10

seems to happen a lot there was

26:13

one study that was done that looked

26:15

I think about 70 people who died

26:17

of hypothermia and they found almost all

26:19

of them did this thing called terminal

26:22

borrowing, which as you say is where

26:24

you sort of crawl under a bed

26:26

or behind a cupboard or onto a

26:28

shelf. And it just feels like, you

26:31

know, when you have a cat who's

26:33

dying, it crawls to the very corner

26:35

under a bed. It's like the last

26:38

protective hibernation thing. Like a really deep

26:40

instinct, basically. Yes, deep. And the other

26:42

thing that a quarter of the people

26:44

did was this thing called paradoxical undressing

26:47

undressing, which again people who had hypothermia

26:49

hypersermiothermia often found completely naked. and that's

26:51

because at first you know you have

26:53

vasodilation where all your veins in your

26:56

extremities constricts to try and flood blood

26:58

to your internal organs to keep you

27:00

warm when you've got hypothermia but then

27:03

that takes loads and loads of effort

27:05

for your muscles and your body just

27:07

gives up all the blood floods back

27:09

to your extremities and so suddenly you're

27:12

like god bizarrely I'm really hot and

27:14

you take off all your clothes so

27:16

hot. So maybe the song it's getting

27:19

hot in here is getting hot in

27:21

here is from Scott's diary, is it?

27:23

Okay, it is time for fact number

27:25

three, and that is James. Okay, my

27:28

fact this week is that if ancient

27:30

Mesopotamia had Valentine's cards, they would probably

27:32

contain pictures of knees. So we've had

27:34

the flirting, we've now got together with

27:37

Torvind, and now we're sending each other

27:39

Valentine's cards. Now we're on our knees.

27:41

Shouldn't we? You don't send a Valentine's

27:44

God once you've got together with someone.

27:46

Anna, this is exactly what I said

27:48

to these guys before we came on

27:50

air. And I disagree Anna. I think

27:53

it's much more common. I think most

27:55

Valentine's cards are bought by people joylessly

27:57

on the 13th of February in a

27:59

train station. You're right. I thought you

28:02

always put like from anonymous on your

28:04

Valentine's cards. That's the whole point of

28:06

them. I put none of us on

28:09

all the ones I send apart from

28:11

the one to my wife. Should I

28:13

explain the fact? Yeah. So this is

28:15

a new study about they looked at

28:18

a load of cuneiform texts. This is

28:20

some scientists at the University of Finland

28:22

and they looked at loads of phrases

28:25

that are about emotions and they looked

28:27

at what parts of the body were

28:29

used in those phrases. and they found

28:31

that happiness is mostly felt in the

28:34

liver, for instance. Shard and Freud are

28:36

mostly in the lip. Amazing that Chardon

28:38

Freud was on the list of what

28:40

was really basic and it was like

28:43

happy sad anger Chardon Freud on the

28:45

lip on the lip. Yeah, you kind

28:47

of curd your lip and they found

28:50

that love was in in order in

28:52

the knee liver heart back and male

28:54

genitalia Sounds about right that's like that

28:56

song my neck my back. It's like

28:59

head my knee my liver like head

29:01

shoulders knees and toes knee-hearted back genitalia

29:03

i do i would struggle to pinpoint

29:05

where my liver was. As in if

29:08

I wouldn't know where to say if

29:10

I was feeling something in my liver.

29:12

The reason that that is a thing

29:15

is that when you open up a

29:17

body after someone's died the liver is

29:19

so big compared to everything else you

29:21

would naturally think that was a really

29:24

important part of the body. You would

29:26

naturally think that was a really important

29:28

part of the body. I'm impressed. I'm

29:31

impressed that knowledge was widespread that that

29:33

was a phrase. Well they didn't know

29:35

where it was I suppose I suppose

29:37

necessarily if it was necessarily if it

29:40

was necessarily if it was necessarily if

29:42

it was necessary if it was necessary

29:44

if it was necessary if you might.

29:46

You might. But it is true the

29:49

liver seems to have been the heart

29:51

for hundreds and hundreds of years in

29:53

loads of civilizations and they had it

29:56

was so important that they thought that

29:58

gods imprinted their desires on livers so

30:00

this is an ancient Mesopotamia but when

30:02

you sacrifice a sheep let's say its

30:05

liver would then be taken out and

30:07

they used to make clay liver models

30:09

of the exact shape of the liver

30:11

that that sheep had had inside it

30:14

and then they would analyze the model

30:16

is the model, like you'd read a

30:18

palm, and that would tell them the

30:21

future. Because they thought the God will

30:23

have put their desire and the future

30:25

onto the liver shape of this sheep.

30:27

But how do you know you've got

30:30

the right sheep? It just feels like

30:32

a very inefficient system. I think God

30:34

knows, I think maybe God changes the

30:37

shape as it's being sacrificed. So God

30:39

sees that you're sacrificing that sheep and

30:41

then quickly molds the liver into that

30:43

shape. I'm not sure exactly that was

30:46

it. No, we shouldn't. We shouldn't try.

30:48

Where is Mesopotamia again? Is it Turkey?

30:50

Iraq. Iraq. Okay. Yeah. And we're talking

30:52

2,500 BC-ish. Yeah. Long time ago. Yeah.

30:55

Oh, it's a very long time ago.

30:57

But this is... Start a civilization. It

30:59

sort of is. It's our oldest writing,

31:02

these cuneiform tablets. And so we keep

31:04

finding out more and more about it

31:06

because more found. They've survived the test

31:08

of time, these amazing clay tablets that

31:11

are found in their hundreds and thousands

31:13

in hordes whenever they take it. It's

31:15

because they're made of clay, right? Exactly,

31:17

yeah. It was like Valentine's cards. No.

31:20

found a couple locked in. No, the

31:22

oldest depiction of it. But actually we

31:24

now have records via Qneiform that show

31:27

us that back then they were very

31:29

romantic and they were kissing and not

31:31

just within marriage, they were also kissing

31:33

as dates and socially and so on.

31:36

And there's only one other major contestant

31:38

to say that it's older. which is

31:40

a kiss that may have happened between

31:43

a Neanderthal and a human over a

31:45

hundred thousand years ago and they know

31:47

this because they found a microbe inside

31:49

on the on the skull of a

31:52

human but you would only get it

31:54

from a Neanderthal so they know that

31:56

a bit of tonsil hockey was going

31:58

on. Or they were playing that game

32:01

where you pass an egg, pass an

32:03

egg, an egg. Well you pass on,

32:05

is it not an egg for one

32:08

mouth of the next? What did you

32:10

think it was? Let's have a big

32:12

mouth. It works like scrambled or poached

32:14

or kind of egg or whatever. I'm

32:17

thinking it in shell. I'm sure we

32:19

did it with eggs. I mean you

32:21

can fit an egg in your mouth

32:23

but it is a choking hazard I

32:26

would say. Oh yeah. It's not sexy,

32:28

I think. I could log behind my

32:30

teeth. I've misunderstood the rules. That's very

32:33

funny. We say I go week at

32:35

the niece. Yes, exactly. I was thinking

32:37

that. Yeah, I think knees would be

32:39

in our list of things. The weird

32:42

thing I found was under sexual attraction,

32:44

which was one of the simple emotions

32:46

they had. The six body parts, was

32:49

it five, five body parts associated with

32:51

that. Well, what would you guess was

32:53

in there? Ice, you would think, right?

32:55

I would have thought firstly genitals. I

32:58

mean genitals features so much in so

33:00

many other emotions, like kind of distress

33:02

or contempt. Sexual attraction, genitals and penis

33:04

aren't in there. It's head, knee, neck,

33:07

hand and ankle. Head, knee, neck, and

33:09

ankle is a bit of an hard

33:11

one, isn't it? Well, like Victorians. Yeah,

33:14

if you've got restrictive sort of social

33:16

practices. What period are we talking about?

33:18

This is the same study. This is

33:20

ancient Mesopotamian. Oh, right. There's a whole

33:23

subcategory now of celebrity spotting on celebrity's

33:25

knees. Not that period. We're not talking

33:27

that period. There's like wiki knees or

33:29

something. No, it's like how, if you

33:32

look at sort of a photo of

33:34

Megan Markle, you'll see cast with a

33:36

friendly ghost's face on her knee. Oh,

33:39

there was a thing where... Oh no,

33:41

I'm getting it wrong. I thought Sandy

33:43

Tuxwick might have been on someone's knee.

33:45

She was, exactly. Yeah, yeah. There's a

33:48

lot of faces that are appearing on

33:50

knees recently. I would presume it's normally,

33:52

I mean, no disrespect to the glorious

33:55

Sandy. It's normally people with quite wrinkly

33:57

faces who are being spotted in other

33:59

people's knees. No. Surely it's very rarely,

34:01

because knees are nobly, you know, wrinkly.

34:04

my knees are perfectly smooth. Oh, that's

34:06

for the friendly ghost, doesn't it? I

34:08

mean, you've been having routine knee boat

34:10

oxen knees, they have a lot of

34:13

nerve endings, so they are known as

34:15

an erogenous zone, and that's because you

34:17

have nerves that go through your knee

34:20

that do everything that in your feet

34:22

and up at the top of your

34:24

thighs as well. Basically all the nerves

34:26

that are in your leg have to

34:29

go through your knees, so they have

34:31

lots of nerve. Oh, that's good. attraction

34:33

to these, the paraphilia of that is

34:35

called genophilia. Oh, like genophilia. Exactly, yeah.

34:38

Do you want some more of those

34:40

by the way? Yes, please. Alvin O'Lagnia

34:42

is the attraction to Alvin, a Czech

34:45

monk, I can't you? It's the midriff.

34:47

Okay, the belly button and the tummy

34:49

and stuff. Bro-midophilia. Bro. Yeah, it's like,

34:51

podcasters. It's the attraction to body odour.

34:54

Oh, wow. And, uh, Matia-philia. This is

34:56

tough. It's the attraction to non-normal looking

34:58

eyes. And it comes from the Greek

35:01

term for the evil eye. Like those

35:03

dogs that have one I have different

35:05

colors. Like David Bowie I guess. Quite

35:07

a few of those. I would think

35:10

it's not sort of unnatural attractions like

35:12

midriffs you know are traditionally... a slightly

35:14

sexy thing. Yeah, it's interesting because a

35:16

paraphernia by definition should be attraction to

35:19

something atypical. But then when you look

35:21

at the list, there was one which

35:23

is normophilia, which is the attraction to

35:26

normal things. Right. So it's not normal

35:28

things to be attracted to or normal

35:30

things like a table? That is unusual.

35:32

Then yeah, I read one earlier today,

35:35

weirdly nothing to do with this about

35:37

being sexually attracted to people falling downstairs.

35:39

I'm sorry, here's a little micro quiz.

35:42

Which of these phrases is the oldest.

35:44

If you've got any videos of yourself

35:46

falling down the stairs, then send it

35:48

to dad and you'll give you 250

35:51

pounds. All right, here's a little micro

35:53

quiz. Which of these phrases is the

35:55

oldest? I'm going to give you three.

35:57

To have someone over your knee. I

36:00

like to spank them kind of thing.

36:02

That's the implication. Yeah, a knee slapper.

36:04

That's a joke. That's a joke. And

36:07

upon the knees of the gods. I

36:09

don't know what that one means so

36:11

that's why I would say that would

36:13

be the oldest because I've never heard

36:16

of it. Do you mean thigh slapper?

36:18

I've never heard of a knee slapper,

36:20

is the phrase? Is it? I think

36:22

thigh slapper too. Depends on how funny

36:25

the joke is. Or how long your

36:27

legs are. And what you're wearing. For

36:29

that basketball player it was an ankle

36:32

slapper. Okay, change of saying upon the

36:34

knees of the gods is oldest. Probably

36:36

a knee slapper, I reckon. Yeah, I'm

36:38

going to say knee slapper as well,

36:41

because, oh no, I'll do the third

36:43

one, just for the sake of having

36:45

a full house. To have someone like

36:48

over your knee. Yeah. Upon the knees

36:50

of the gods. It's ancient Greek. What

36:52

does it mean? Well that's what one

36:54

would have guessed. Yeah that was the

36:57

obvious one Andy. Yeah well James got

36:59

there first so maybe you should buck

37:01

up your ideas a bit next time.

37:03

You'd be great in a quiz Dan.

37:06

What is the capital of France? Paris.

37:08

Well that was the obvious actually. We

37:10

knew that as well actually. It did

37:13

feel like Annie would be putting some

37:15

sort of rock up run for our

37:17

feet rather than just going. No I'm

37:19

a nice guy I leave the rock

37:22

under your feet. I leave the rock

37:24

under your feet. It's your feet. It's

37:26

your feet. It's the rock under your

37:28

feet. Right, right, right, right, right, right,

37:31

right, right, right, right, right, right, right,

37:33

right, right, right, right, right, right, right,

37:35

right, right, right, right, right, right. It's,

37:38

right. It's, right. It's an ancient Greek

37:40

phrase, theon engunasi, which means it's beyond

37:42

human control. It's like it's in the

37:44

lap of the gods, actually, but it's

37:47

on these of the gods. Okay, a

37:49

knee slapper is from 1955, and to

37:51

have someone over your knee, dates to

37:54

1866, which is quite something, because someone

37:56

used that phrase on me recently. Say

37:58

the phrase again? To have someone over

38:00

your knee. And someone used that on

38:03

you. Yeah. It was a removles guy,

38:05

the last time I was moving in

38:07

the last time I was moving house.

38:09

I'd left something at the bottom of

38:12

a staircase, right? Because I was moving

38:14

down the stairs. So they'd fall down

38:16

the stairs. You haven't sent me that

38:19

video yet, by the way. I paid

38:21

good money for that. I'd put like

38:23

a glass picture frame at the bottom

38:25

of the stairs and I hadn't moved

38:28

it out to the van or whatever.

38:30

And he said, I'd have you over

38:32

my knee if you were one of

38:34

my boys. Hold on the usual thing.

38:37

It was really, it was much nicer

38:39

than the way he made than the

38:41

way he made it. Yeah, how could

38:44

you think? When the anecdote was so

38:46

bad? Unless there's one extra bit you're

38:48

not telling us. Nope. Okay. That's the

38:50

subtitle of the quiz. That's all there

38:53

is do it. Here's a song from

38:55

Chicago. which I won't sing but I'll

38:57

read you the lyrics. The band, Chicago.

39:00

Or the musical, Chicago. Musical. No, the

39:02

tap, the city. That's in Boston, isn't

39:04

it? The pizza company. Okay, so it's

39:06

from the musical. Why don't we paint

39:09

the town and all that jazz? I'm

39:11

gonna rouge my knees and roll my

39:13

stockings down. Yeah. That's weird, isn't it?

39:15

Yes, why do they? I have a

39:18

question that before. I'm gonna rouge my

39:20

knees. Hmm. Carpet burn. It's not carpet

39:22

burn done. Why would you, why would

39:25

you, what, you'd be deliberately faking a

39:27

carpet burn on your knees, would you?

39:29

Well that's pretty sexy, isn't it? Yeah,

39:31

you want to know how I got

39:34

these knees? I'll never tell. So yeah,

39:36

rouge as in makeup on your knees.

39:38

Like a little face. In actual fact,

39:40

sometimes they part. There are some images

39:43

of young women with quite short skirts

39:45

and with little faces on their knees.

39:47

Is that how people are sick? It's

39:50

just soundly toxic on both knees. So

39:52

that's good flirting. I think that's really

39:54

good flirting if you're opposite someone on

39:56

a train, for example. You just, you

39:59

woke up your skirt a little bit.

40:01

There's your winkingking face on your knee.

40:03

And then you, you know, you see

40:06

if they notice. Yeah. Okay, isn't that

40:08

good? I'm sorry, that's creative flirting. If

40:10

you're pulling up your kil to say

40:12

it's winking at you. That's no sporing.

40:15

But yeah, this was a thing. It

40:17

was women had started to be able

40:19

to show their knees and they decided

40:21

well we're going to make the most

40:24

of it and so they started putting

40:26

makeup on. So I've poor men were

40:28

suddenly going around saying, did you know

40:31

women's knees have smiley faces on? That's

40:33

amazing. Only animal with four knees. Dogs,

40:35

cats, elephants. any quadruped no no that

40:37

they don't they don't have countless knees

40:40

on the back no animals have four

40:42

knees zero one animal has four knee

40:44

caps yeah and it only has two

40:46

legs I know the answer. Are we

40:49

still playing Andy's quiz? Because I can

40:51

get it if yes. This is a

40:53

horrible riddle in a cave in ancient

40:56

Greece. It's ridiculous. Sorry. What you're saying

40:58

is that all animals, all quadrupeds, they

41:00

have arms and legs, rather. They may

41:02

walk around on all fours. Exactly. So

41:05

there's one bipedal one that has four

41:07

knees. We should just let down answer.

41:09

Well two knees are hidden under a

41:12

coat of feathers. Oh well, they're all

41:14

hidden. Are we talking about the same

41:16

animal here? Yeah we are I think

41:18

you've just haven't looked at the diagrams

41:21

closely enough. Okay if it's two-legged and

41:23

feathered and ostrich. Yes! James that's very

41:25

good actually. Well it was either that

41:27

or a meme you are a cassowary.

41:30

Whose quiz is better like mine where

41:32

it's to get me into a dull

41:34

anecdote or Anna's where it's a mental

41:37

shit show. It works out of the

41:39

format, but I think the kernel of

41:41

an idea is there. This is really

41:43

interesting. We only found out recently that

41:46

ostriches have four kneecaps. Everything else has

41:48

two, and they is, and sort of

41:50

four knees. So if you look at

41:52

birds like ostriches, the thing that you

41:55

might think is a knee if you're

41:57

an idiot, is actually the middle toe.

41:59

Precisely. it's like that but up though

42:02

under their feathers they've seemed to have

42:04

two sets of knees we really don't

42:06

know why two sets of knees two

42:08

sets of kneecaps and who knows why

42:11

but cassowaries and emus don't have any

42:13

the end down back me up on

42:15

this it's true yeah it's great quiz

42:18

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42:51

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42:53

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42:55

My fact this week is that once

42:58

married, some Australian aboriginals spend the rest

43:00

of their lives actively avoiding their mother-in-law.

43:02

Hey, didn't know I was an Australian

43:04

aboriginal. Hey! I actually think my mother-in-law

43:07

is brilliant. So this is a thing

43:09

that's called avoidance speech. And a lot

43:11

of Native Australians have this as part

43:13

of their culture, where once they're married,

43:15

the idea of talking to their in-laws

43:18

is suddenly something that's seen as taboo.

43:20

And you never do. And there's quite

43:22

a few examples of modern day marriages

43:24

where this is still adhered to. So

43:27

I was reading a blog by a

43:29

guy who was saying that with his

43:31

parents and laws, he can't hand food

43:33

directly to them either, as well as

43:35

not talking to them. You can't look

43:38

at them directly if he has something

43:40

that he needs to ask them. He

43:42

needs to ask them through the wife.

43:44

So she goes and gets their permission

43:47

or finds out something for them. And

43:49

it's seen as something that's a marker

43:51

respect in these families. And the same

43:53

person who was writing this blog who

43:55

did that with his wife. now has

43:58

that with his relationship with his daughter's

44:00

husband and then your language gets changed

44:02

as well so they won't say the

44:04

name of they'll say my mother-in-law and

44:07

father-in-law they won't use their actual name

44:09

and if they're in a room with

44:11

them and they're watching TV let's say

44:13

the son-in-laws in the room he'll face

44:16

the wall away you know so he's

44:18

not acknowledging them why they're watching TV

44:20

that's a very antisocial thing to do

44:22

So annoying. What's happening now? I'm what's

44:24

happening now? No, no, no, please. I

44:27

want my wife to tell me what's

44:29

happening now, not you. Why do these

44:31

taboos exist? That's what I'm really baffled

44:33

by. Well, they are around the world,

44:36

aren't they? It's extraordinary. Like, Native America,

44:38

across Africa, Australian, and I haven't read

44:40

an explanation, which satisfiesifies me. It's potentially

44:42

a respect thing. It might be a

44:44

way of preventing... Any hanky-panky? I think

44:47

it's not. I think it's got to

44:49

be shagging. There was a big article

44:51

I read called The Mother-in-law Taboo by

44:53

A-E-M-J-J-Pans, which is one of the main

44:56

papers on this subject, and he records

44:58

that basically is to indicate publicly that

45:00

the son-in-law and the mother-in-law are not

45:02

having sex with each other. But it

45:05

makes me think they are. completely pretending

45:07

they don't know each other exists to

45:09

turn out or be having a torrid

45:11

affair is it? Yeah. Exactly what I

45:13

thought and also it will make you

45:16

fancy them. The more you're told you're

45:18

not allowed to speak with someone or

45:20

stick your tongue down their throat. The

45:22

more you want to, don't you? Yes.

45:25

Mm. Why was that bad? Why is

45:27

it bad? So the reason is that

45:29

it happens more in matrilineal... cultures. So

45:31

it's like this to do it does

45:33

happen and that's true. And it tends

45:36

to be that the women have very

45:38

particular roles that they have. And the

45:40

idea is that your mother-in-law is not

45:42

taking over the job of what your

45:45

wife is supposed to do. So there

45:47

might be lots of different things that

45:49

a wife is supposed to do in

45:51

this culture, one of which is sleeping

45:54

with the husband, but they're trying to

45:56

show that this definitely isn't happening and

45:58

that the generation has moved on to

46:00

the next generation. the woman, other woman

46:02

that you would see most often, so

46:05

if you were going to shag anyone

46:07

else, it would probably be your wife's

46:09

mom. And I think sometimes mother-in-law's taboos

46:11

also apply to like your mother-in-law's mate,

46:14

sometimes mother-in-law can be a bit of

46:16

a broader term, so it can be

46:18

a few women who are also really

46:20

close to you. Yeah, we should say

46:22

these taboos, they vary a lot between

46:25

different groups. So in some cases, it's...

46:27

completely avoiding them physically. In sum, it's

46:29

using a particular, like a different language

46:31

to address them, and in sum, it's

46:34

using a subset of language. So there's

46:36

a group called Diyobel, is a language,

46:38

and the main language is called Guoel,

46:40

and the language for your mother-in-law is

46:43

Diangi. I'm trying to pronounce it wrong.

46:45

But it's like, it's... It's missing particular

46:47

words that might be erotic flashpoints. Like,

46:49

oh loads, erotic flashpoints. Like ankle? pubic

46:51

hair, sweaty smell, you know, you don't

46:54

want to mention that in case things

46:56

just pop off suddenly. So yeah, yeah.

46:58

So you're saying you don't say that

47:00

those words in front of your mother-in-law

47:03

either. I'd have to have a really

47:05

good reason to talk about pubic hair

47:07

in front of my mother-in-in-law. one thing

47:09

this is by a US historian called

47:11

Hampton Sides and that the reason I'm

47:14

saying it's by him is because I

47:16

don't believe it but he wrote that

47:18

in the Navajo people husbands are not

47:20

allowed to look at their mother-in-laws and

47:23

it's so important that the mother-in-laws would

47:25

wear little bells on their clothes so

47:27

that he could hear them coming I

47:29

just can't believe it's true but it

47:32

was he's a proper historian I think

47:34

there was a first-hand account and it's

47:36

similar to the korawai people in West

47:38

Papua who shout when they're going around

47:40

corners for exactly the same reason the

47:43

mother-in-law son-in-law taboo they'll shout to make

47:45

clear if a son law's there go

47:47

away and also if the son-in-law's friends

47:49

see them on coming they'll run and

47:52

find the son and say she's coming

47:54

she's coming that's interesting that's like working

47:56

in a restaurant whenever you go around

47:58

the corner you go So

48:00

that people coming in the other direction

48:03

don't hit you and you drop all

48:05

the food. Is that when you're going

48:07

in and out of the kitchen is

48:09

where you shut something like that? At

48:12

any time when you're going in a

48:14

blind corner. Well, and like, did your

48:16

grandparents always used to hunk the horn

48:18

going around any corner driving? No. Didn't

48:20

it so embarrassing? Oh my God, that

48:23

time we went to that labyrinth, it

48:25

was a nightmare. He's there, he did

48:27

so much. Every corner, Gama honked her

48:29

horn, it was just awful. Yeah, it

48:32

was pretty much mortifying. Sometimes I think

48:34

you have to concentrate really hard to

48:36

keep these taboos going. So there's one

48:38

in a similar mother and not, some

48:41

in or taboo. in Southwestern Ethiopia and

48:43

it's a practice called Balisha and it's

48:45

basically that married women can't speak the

48:47

name of their husband's mother or father

48:50

but they also can't speak any word

48:52

beginning with the same syllable as their

48:54

husband or father's name so if my

48:56

mother-in-law was called Pat I couldn't say

48:59

What's the word we're getting with? Pat

49:01

the dog? You can see? Right. I'd

49:03

have to say, can you stroke the

49:05

dog? What was the name of that

49:07

World War II General from America? Eisenhower.

49:10

What's the name of that postman? That's

49:12

interesting. You don't have to concentrate so

49:14

much. Yeah, but apparently in those cultures

49:16

where that's the case, you're taught another

49:19

language so that if you're in that

49:21

situation, not only will you be able

49:23

to know what to do, but you

49:25

will say words everyone else will know

49:28

as well. And some of them you

49:30

do have another language, yeah, and then

49:32

in some they just like come with

49:34

another word, say stroke, which isn't the

49:37

same as passing. So, you know, mostmen

49:39

stroke. Incessed taboos from around the world

49:41

including Anglo-Saxon I wanted to see if

49:43

it existed in this country and according

49:46

to the penitential of Theodore which is

49:48

from the 7th century if a brother

49:50

commits for an occasion with his brother

49:52

he has to do penance for 15

49:54

years so that's 15 years without eating

49:57

meat or drinking wine if you have

49:59

sex with your brother? Limy. That's a

50:01

lot. That's a lot. That's a lot.

50:03

Not worth? It's not worth it, did

50:06

you say? Well there was a thing

50:08

in Old England, the suaist or sunu,

50:10

which is where that's your sister's son,

50:12

right? So it's a nephew. Yeah, exactly,

50:15

but it's specifically with your sister, your

50:17

sister's son, your nephew, is definitely related

50:19

to you by blood. Because you and

50:21

your sister have both come from the

50:24

same mother So you are definitely ready

50:26

to buy blood and she has given

50:28

birth to her son Yeah, so even

50:30

if there was hanky-panky going on in

50:33

any of these situations are still related

50:35

Right even like if if my wife

50:37

has cheated on me my son might

50:39

not be my own, but my sister's

50:41

son is definitely related to my blood.

50:44

So that is a sort of rock-solid

50:46

relationship to four. Yeah, that should be

50:48

where inheritance goes. I'm surprised that's not

50:50

where inheritance works, nor often. Yeah, because

50:53

it's the one you can trust, as

50:55

you say. Yeah, yeah. We should change

50:57

the rules. Mothers-in-law? Yeah. I just found

50:59

some famous mothers-in-law. Okay. Would you remember

51:02

last time we talked about El Frank

51:04

Balm's mother-in-law? We did. Yeah. The Mother-in-law

51:06

of the Marquis-de-Sard was really annoyed with

51:08

him. Oh, is she? Yeah. Well, a

51:11

lot of people were. Yeah, he ran

51:13

off to Italy with his wife's younger

51:15

sister. Yeah. So she was furious about

51:17

that. Also, she's still her mother-in-law. You

51:20

don't need to explain that to me.

51:22

I think that's... Why does it? You'd

51:24

be flattered. It's like you don't fancy

51:26

one of my daughters. You fancy both

51:28

of them. Yeah. Well, she got him

51:31

arrested. She helped the authorities hunt him

51:33

down. And he spent most of the

51:35

rest of his life in prison or

51:37

in asylum. But yeah, he doesn't be

51:40

committing horrible crimes. Yeah. Jumping back to

51:42

the elf ramp bound very quickly. The

51:44

Tin Man in the movie, he had

51:46

a son. Do you know who his

51:49

mother-in-law was? The Tin Man's wife. The

51:51

actor who plays the Tin Man. Has

51:53

a son. Who's his mother-in-law in real

51:55

life. Well, will it be his... his

51:58

wife's mother. So he got married to

52:00

someone who had a notable mother? This

52:02

doesn't, the dance quiz feels like the

52:04

least good of all. This is not

52:07

guessable. It's got the best reveal. It

52:09

was Judy Garland. Because Dorothy had a

52:11

daughter, Liza Manelli, married the Tinman's son.

52:13

Did not know that, that's cool. Yeah,

52:15

that is cool. There you go. That

52:18

is quite a good quiz where the

52:20

questions are completely stupid all over the

52:22

place but the answers are absolutely amazing.

52:24

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