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The Publius Enigma is a mystery

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that has captivated people for decades.

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It all started with the release

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of the Pink Floyd album, The

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Division Bell, in 1994. The album

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was filled with cryptic messages and

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puzzles that hinted at a larger

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conspiracy. Fans soon discovered that one

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of the messages written by a

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character named Publius was a code that

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led to another hidden message. Some

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believe it's a message about

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government control, while others believe

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it's a secret message about

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the future. Whatever the answer

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may be, the Publius Enigma

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is a riddle that will

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continue to captivate and challenge

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the minds of conspiracy theorists

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for years to come. Julius' first

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message. You've heard the message Pink

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Floyd has delivered, but have you

0:48

listened. Perhaps I can be your guide,

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but I will not solve the Enigma

0:52

for you. All of you must

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open your mind to

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communicate with each other,

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as this is the only

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way the answers can

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be revealed. I may help

1:06

you, but only if

1:09

obstacles arise. Listen,

1:11

read, think, communicate. If

1:14

I don't promise you

1:17

the answers, would you

1:19

go? Publice. talking.

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Welcome everybody in wcz radio.com channel

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ones down the rabbit hole welcome

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to the Midweek Edition on Big

2:16

D This week we are going

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down a rabbit hole which is

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gonna be fun. It's gonna be

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fun. It's mysterious. It's intriguing It's

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a mystery that has yet to

2:27

be solved and it's been decades

2:30

in the making and this comes

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to us via a listener through

2:34

email and it's interesting because It's

2:36

all about Pink Floyd, which is

2:39

one of my all-time, if not

2:41

my all-time, favorite bands. I never

2:43

worked with Pink Floyd. I have

2:45

a friend who he's deceased. He

2:48

was kind of a mentor to

2:50

me. We called him Sutterman. He

2:52

did work with Pink Floyd several

2:54

different times, primarily on the Animals

2:57

album. Here in the US, he

2:59

was part of their promotions team,

3:01

record sales, setting up concerts, and

3:03

interviews and so forth for them.

3:06

He was brilliant. In fact, if

3:08

you were in New York at

3:10

the time that the album Animals

3:12

came out, if you were downtown

3:14

on a certain day, and I

3:17

can't remember which day it was,

3:19

they had two or three flatbed

3:21

semis that had huge artwork from

3:23

the album, like a rolling billboard,

3:26

coming down one of the main

3:28

streets of New York with a

3:30

bunch of zoo animals. They cleared

3:32

the streets, it was almost like

3:35

a parade. And they were playing

3:37

songs from the album. announcing it's

3:39

coming. It'll be available soon in

3:41

stores and they'll be here in

3:44

concert. That's what Sutterman, he did

3:46

a lot of stuff like that.

3:48

He was amazing. I've seen Pink

3:50

Floyd in concert. I've seen Roger

3:52

Waters probably too many times to

3:55

count. I've never seen David Gilmore

3:57

solo. I went and saw Nick

3:59

Mason. since Sauce are full of

4:01

secrets. I have not met Pink

4:04

Floyd or anybody who's

4:06

worked around them outside of

4:08

my deceased friend Sutterman.

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But I've been a huge

4:12

fan for a long, long

4:14

time. And this primarily has

4:16

to do with their 1994 album

4:19

The Division Bell. And I

4:21

did go to the Division

4:23

Bell Tour. It was June

4:25

25th in Vancouver, British Columbia.

4:27

I was there. 18th row

4:29

in the middle. It was

4:32

amazing. One of, if not, the

4:34

greatest shows I've ever seen,

4:36

and I've seen too many to

4:38

count. I can think of

4:41

a handful of shows that

4:43

were otherworldly, amazing, awesome,

4:45

however you want to

4:47

describe it. And this

4:50

was probably at the top.

4:52

I can think of a handful

4:54

of others that maybe came

4:56

close, but that tour was

4:59

Unbelievable. And Pink Floyd

5:01

is no stranger to hidden

5:03

messages, secret messages, anybody who's

5:05

paying attention, especially if you

5:07

remember in 1979 when the

5:09

Wall came out. And the

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Wall is my favorite album of

5:13

all time. If I had to put them

5:15

in any kind of order, the Wall

5:17

would be number one for me.

5:19

It's like been the soundtrack of

5:22

my life. But there's a song

5:24

on the wall called Empty Spaces

5:26

and you can hear gibberish going

5:28

on. in the back and this

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was during the time a lot

5:32

of people were back masking and

5:34

so Pink Floyd decided to jump

5:36

in and if you play this

5:38

track backwards you hear congratulations

5:40

you've just discovered the secret

5:42

message please send your answer

5:45

to old Pink care of

5:47

the funny farm Shalfont there's

5:49

a voice in the background that

5:51

says Roger Caroline is on the

5:54

phone And so a lot of

5:56

controversy around that a lot of conspiracy a

5:58

lot of what's he talking about I was

6:00

talking about Sid Barrett. Is

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there actually a secret message?

6:05

Is there more? What's going

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on here? And so Floyd's

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not immune to playing

6:12

with their audience, particularly

6:15

Roger Waters, putting out

6:17

all kind of cryptic

6:19

messages in their album

6:21

covers and in their

6:23

songs in the artwork.

6:25

So this Publius Enigma.

6:27

that happened in 1994

6:29

really took off because

6:31

it was not blatant

6:34

it was not from that

6:36

we know of a pink Floyd

6:38

member meaning a member

6:40

of the band that we

6:42

know of because as we'll

6:44

find out Publius was

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an anonymous person

6:49

using an anonymous email

6:51

on a chat platform

6:54

back in 1994. Probably the reason

6:56

I wasn't involved in this is

6:58

because if you go back to

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1994, home computers or

7:03

computers at your house that

7:05

you were sitting around on chatting

7:07

and stuff, it was still pretty

7:10

new. And I didn't spend a lot

7:12

of time chatting on computers

7:14

or in kind of any kind

7:16

of forums or any of that stuff.

7:19

It just didn't interest

7:21

me. But this going on in 1994.

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caught a lot of people's attention.

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And it is a

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mystery that has remained unsolved

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to this very day. And so

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we're gonna go through it. Find out

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what Publius said, how this

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all started, what it refers

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to. Is there any legitimacy

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to it? And is there an

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answer? Will it ever be found

7:46

out? Or was it something else?

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Because I have thoughts on that

7:50

as well. So let's look at

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the basics. of this. Some people

7:55

call it controversy or conspiracy. I'm

7:57

not sure what to call it.

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it's a puzzle. It's a

8:02

puzzle that a lot of

8:04

people have read a lot

8:06

into and maybe rightfully so

8:08

I'm not sure. It was

8:10

perhaps a lot of people

8:12

point to the fact that

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it may have been the

8:16

first internet-based kind of promotion

8:18

or sleuthing. This was way

8:20

before any of the games

8:23

and so forth that you

8:25

find online. with the murder

8:27

mystery or solve that puzzle

8:29

type things. This is one

8:31

of the first, if not

8:33

the first. And it could

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have just been a brilliant

8:37

marketing ploy or it could

8:39

have been something completely different.

8:41

But it does have a

8:43

bit of a Q type

8:46

feel to it in the

8:48

sense that there's an anonymous

8:50

poster posting cryptic messages, encouraging

8:52

people to unlock some sort

8:54

of secret or unlock the

8:56

mystery. And there's a promise

8:58

of some sort of prize

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at the end if you're

9:02

the one who figures it

9:04

out, but that's never been

9:06

given out because it hasn't

9:09

been solved. So the Publius

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Enigma, which is what this

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has been titled, was named

9:15

after this messenger on this

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message board who called himself

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Publius. He would post clues

9:21

on this pink Floyd internet.

9:23

Sort of a news group

9:25

chatroom type thing and This

9:27

was right after the launch

9:30

of the division bell world

9:32

tour Then these post claimed

9:34

that there was an enigma

9:36

hidden within the album and

9:38

That of course there was

9:40

some sort of reward awaiting

9:42

them Along the way to

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give credibility to the fact

9:46

that this person was connected

9:48

to pink Floyd or had

9:50

some sort of inside track

9:53

to them or was maybe

9:55

one of them on Monday

9:57

July 18th at East Rutherford

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New Jersey. Jersey, approximately

10:02

1030 p.m., which this Publius

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had said would happen. There

10:07

were flashing lights at the

10:09

base of the stage. Publius

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Enigma, those words appeared.

10:14

And you can watch video

10:16

of that. It's a real

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thing. It actually happened. And

10:21

then another time later,

10:23

there was a televised

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concert October. 1994

10:27

I believe it was on the 20th

10:29

of October and this was from Earls

10:32

Court in London you can also watch

10:34

this. The word Enigma was projected in

10:36

large letters on the backdrop of the

10:38

stage and the projection could be seen

10:40

on the pulse concert video during

10:42

the song another brick in the

10:45

wall part two. Then the word

10:47

Enigma was projected on stage during

10:49

another brick in the wall part

10:51

two with no embellishments. So it

10:53

just said Enigma. And there's also

10:55

other things that we'll get into

10:57

where those two words show up

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in photos on promotional material and

11:02

so forth. So again, this was

11:04

all leading and lending to

11:06

the credibility of this person

11:09

called Publius, letting people

11:11

know, hey, this is real, I'm with Pink

11:13

Floyd, or I have some sort

11:15

of inside information with Pink Floyd,

11:17

I'm part of them. This is

11:20

not just an internet hoax, this

11:22

is real and we need to

11:24

find out what this problem is

11:26

and solve it or find out

11:28

what the answer to the riddle

11:30

is. One of the interesting

11:32

things about the 1994 Division

11:34

Bell World Tour, and I

11:36

do have a lot of information

11:38

on that, because again I was

11:40

a Pink Floyd geek, they flew

11:43

this airship and it was

11:45

basically a blimp. kind of a

11:47

blimp type thing. It was 194

11:49

feet long. It was named the

11:51

Division Bell, B-E-L-L-E, and it would

11:54

go to wherever the concerts

11:56

were about to take place. I

11:58

remember driving up. to BC Place

12:00

in Vancouver and it was moored

12:03

there above the stadium. It was

12:05

huge. And the Columbia electronic

12:07

press kit released to the media,

12:10

along with promo spots consisting of

12:12

interviews with band members, footage of

12:14

the airship in action, it would

12:17

say the following. This was in

12:19

the promo kit. Quote, a spokesperson

12:21

for Pink Floyd has issued the

12:23

following statement. You have spotted

12:26

the Pink Floyd airship. Do not

12:28

be alarmed. Pink Floyd have sent

12:30

their airship to North America

12:32

to deliver a message. The

12:35

Pink Floyd airship is headed

12:37

towards a destination where all

12:39

will be explained upon

12:41

arrival. Pink Floyd will communicate

12:43

and that was in all

12:45

the press kits. You can verify

12:47

that by looking up press

12:49

kits for Pink Floyd. There's

12:52

screenshots of that. That's not

12:54

made up. That's a real thing. On

12:56

June 11th 1994. is when

12:58

Publius first began posting.

13:01

And he posted a

13:03

cryptic message to this

13:05

news group inviting fans

13:07

to scrutinize the album

13:10

artwork, lyrics, and

13:12

music on the division bell

13:14

and said that it was

13:16

a puzzle. And here is

13:19

what Publius said. This was

13:21

his very first, or their

13:23

very first, post. You have

13:25

heard the message Pink Floyd

13:28

has delivered, but have you listened?

13:30

Perhaps I can be your guide,

13:32

but I will not solve the

13:34

enigma for you. All of you

13:37

must open your minds and communicate

13:39

with each other, as this is

13:41

the only way the answer can be

13:43

revealed. I may help you, but only

13:45

if obstacles arise. Listen,

13:48

read, think, communicate. If

13:50

I don't promise you the answer,

13:52

would you go? And that was the

13:54

very first post. I can send you the link

13:56

to all of the post. There's a ton. I

13:58

can't read all of them. because it would just

14:01

take the whole show. But he would leave clues

14:03

in these posts, much like, like I said,

14:05

Q. It was kind of a Q type of

14:07

thing, where he would say things like an

14:09

integral part of solving this enigma

14:12

is willingness to imagine and speculate

14:14

creatively. While some of you still

14:16

seem resistant to engage in such

14:18

endeavors, I have no further inclination

14:20

to try and prove a claim,

14:22

you will simply never choose to

14:25

accept. Regardless of what efforts I

14:27

undertake to convince you otherwise. I'm

14:29

not willing to engage in a

14:31

futile battle with skeptics. You will

14:33

either have to contend with what

14:35

proof has been supplied or return

14:38

your regular news group dialogue and

14:40

discuss whatever matters you feel

14:42

secure or within your complete

14:44

sphere of understanding. Sadly, there will

14:46

be no part in the enigma

14:48

for you. Stand aside and let

14:51

those who have demonstrated the incentive

14:53

to embrace this challenge with an

14:55

eager and open mind, by your

14:57

flames and arrows. Best of luck to

14:59

all who have been researching the available

15:01

clues. I promise you have

15:03

embarked on what will ultimately

15:05

be an enriching and fascinating

15:08

journey. Judging from recent postings,

15:10

many of you are asking

15:12

intelligent questions and raising provocative

15:14

issues. Progress is being made.

15:16

Do not be frustrated in

15:18

your initial attempts. Recall my

15:20

earlier caution that the solution

15:22

to this enigma will not

15:24

be discovered easily. It was designed

15:27

to be unlocked only with

15:29

time and healthy perseverance.

15:31

Your newfound persistence has paid

15:34

off, and in turn, let

15:36

me provide a few more

15:38

hints to orient your research,

15:40

and then he goes through some

15:42

hints. And a lot of them

15:44

are words to lyrics or to

15:46

promo material, go look at this,

15:49

look at that, why is this

15:51

there, why is that? And here's

15:53

the last post that. Put

15:55

and this was August

15:58

2nd 1995 My friends,

16:00

with months to stand back and

16:02

observe your progress, I must congratulate

16:04

you on your persistence. My planned

16:07

and prolonged absence from the news

16:09

group has inspired the formation of

16:11

vast groups of people all over

16:13

the world to work closely and

16:15

in concert with each other. Plus,

16:17

the lack of regular clues has

16:19

encouraged not only a thorough reconsideration

16:22

of the existing pool of evidence,

16:24

but also a vigorously renewed search.

16:26

through the music, lyrics, and artwork

16:28

to discover even more information. You

16:31

are all owed a sincere round

16:33

of applause, but now as we move

16:35

forward, a most exciting turn of events

16:38

is about to take place. Thousands

16:40

have already joined the search and

16:42

a great deal more will soon

16:44

follow. And while the ultimate prize

16:46

still lies waiting to be unearthed,

16:48

let me help by pointing out

16:50

that there is another physical location

16:52

that must be visited before final

16:54

progress can be made. As I've

16:56

been monitoring your discussions, I feel

16:58

this should now be made clear

17:00

in order for you to properly

17:02

proceed. As a reward for your

17:04

diligence, I can help lead you

17:07

to this landmark through a small

17:09

series of new clues. But make

17:11

no mistake. This new information must

17:13

be considered in relation to

17:15

all previous clues that have

17:17

either been discovered by you

17:19

or provided by me. The first clue.

17:21

There is great significance in the

17:23

page numbers. While some of you

17:26

might think this statement vague, trust

17:28

me, it is not. While I have

17:30

been gone a while, trust that I

17:32

will return shortly with the second clue,

17:35

you are all closer than you think.

17:37

Publius. And that was the last...

17:39

of the public's post and again

17:41

there's a whole series of them if

17:43

you would like them I would be

17:45

glad to send them to you I

17:48

have a screenshot of them

17:50

because what happened is the forum

17:52

that Publius was posting

17:54

these on shut down the whole website

17:57

it disappeared and that was the

17:59

end of that. Now something did

18:01

happen a little later and there's

18:03

a lot of debate about this

18:06

in 1997 so there would

18:08

have been three years after

18:10

the last Publius message. Another

18:13

anonymous messenger giving himself the

18:15

name Genesis appeared claiming to

18:17

be the successor of

18:19

Publius. A lot of people debate

18:21

on this everyone says there's

18:24

very little proof of any

18:26

connection to Pink Floyd. But

18:29

according to several sites that

18:31

I read, this Genesis Messenger

18:33

had indeed brought together many

18:35

Pink Floyd fans with hopes

18:37

of solving the Enigma. It's

18:39

not certain, but a few

18:41

Publius Enigma hunters believe that

18:43

the Genesis Messenger is in

18:45

fact the Publius of earlier

18:47

times reorganized in a

18:49

newer fashion and referred to it as

18:51

a new beginning. So from 1997 to

18:54

2007... This Genesis character delivered

18:56

upwards of 60 cryptic messages

18:58

to the news group Which is

19:00

alt dot music dot pink

19:03

dash Floyd The Genesis messages

19:05

differed a great deal from those

19:07

that Publius posted The Genesis

19:09

post stated clearly that

19:11

it was necessary to combine both

19:13

the Publius post and the Genesis

19:16

post to break a rather difficult

19:18

code That would have provided the

19:20

solution to the Enigma Genesis

19:23

also stated that Pink Floyd

19:25

Music, Artwork, and Public Media,

19:27

other than that, was contained

19:30

in the Division Bell album

19:32

NCD booklet, will have also

19:34

provided the same solution.

19:36

Messages from Genesis often

19:39

contain cryptic clues, and

19:41

when unraveled, invoked wonder

19:43

and many as to the authenticity

19:45

of Genesis. So what we had

19:48

here is a mystery wrapped in

19:50

an Enigma. You have the band.

19:52

Pink Floyd, who's without

19:55

Roger Waters, you have

19:57

a brand new album.

20:00

the division bell. You have this

20:02

world tour with a lot

20:04

of cryptic messages and you

20:06

have this publicist character

20:08

who is sending out all

20:10

these messages and if you're

20:12

on one of these message

20:15

boards and somehow among the

20:17

pink Floyd fans they caught

20:19

onto this and everybody was

20:22

on the hunt and they're

20:24

tearing apart their album covers

20:26

their music press clippings watching

20:28

everything intently. they're dialed in

20:31

because apparently they're trying to

20:33

figure this out and the

20:35

promise of this really big prize

20:38

although it wasn't specifically

20:40

said what this prize was or even

20:42

if there if it was physical or

20:44

if it was just hey you

20:47

unlocked the clues and you're the

20:49

winner there was no mention of

20:51

them ever being able to meet

20:53

the band or anything like that

20:55

So the prize was probably in

20:58

the imagination of those involved. Oh,

21:00

this has got to be huge

21:02

if this guy is connected to

21:04

Pink Floyd and who doesn't want

21:06

to meet Pink Floyd or go

21:08

on tour with them or get

21:11

autographed stuff or whatever. Nobody knew.

21:13

But one of the things that

21:15

intrigued me was this appearance

21:17

of the words, Publius Enigma,

21:19

on stage, because that doesn't

21:22

just happen by accident.

21:24

and I want to go through some

21:26

stats on the tour to show

21:28

you that this is not an accident.

21:31

There's no way that that

21:33

just randomly happened. And let's

21:36

go back to when Waters and

21:38

Gilmore and all these guys split

21:40

up and it was an acrimonious

21:43

split as they say. But

21:45

Roger Waters specifically told...

21:48

Gilmore at the time you

21:50

efforts you're never going to get

21:52

it together you just can't without

21:54

me You have nothing and as most

21:56

pink Floyd fans know whether you

21:58

like waters or not He was

22:00

a bit of an egomaniac

22:02

and he was very abusive

22:04

towards the other members. I

22:06

mean, it's very famous how

22:08

he berated and talked about

22:10

each member and how they

22:12

weren't that good. They were

22:15

subpar if it wasn't for

22:17

him. They wouldn't be anywhere,

22:19

especially Richard Wright. He was

22:21

always on Richard Wright, the

22:23

keyboard player's case about how

22:25

he just wasn't up to

22:27

snuff. He was just lucky

22:29

to be there if it

22:31

wasn't for waters. When he

22:33

left, he basically told him,

22:35

you guys will never survive.

22:37

It'll never happen. Let's

22:40

look at the division belt tour.

22:42

200 crew members, 49

22:44

trucks and 33 of those

22:46

trucks were just for the stage

22:48

construction, the steel, which carted

22:50

around 700 tons of steel for

22:52

the show. Again, this is

22:55

1994. Once they got to a

22:57

location, it would take them

22:59

three days to set up the

23:01

stage and about 18 hours

23:03

to do it. If you went

23:06

to the show or you've

23:08

seen it online, you can see

23:10

it sort of looks like

23:12

the Hollywood Bowl. It's this sort

23:14

of semi -circular half -shell with

23:17

the distinct Pink Floyd big circle

23:19

in it where they projected

23:21

everything. So 187 feet wide, 55

23:23

feet high, and it took

23:25

seven hours to break it down.

23:28

They had eight tour buses

23:30

and one private plane just for

23:32

the band members. So it's

23:34

a big, huge undertaking, massive. They

23:36

had eight caterers on the

23:39

tour. They cooked dinner for 220

23:41

people. They would go through

23:43

a 400 pints of milk, 1

23:45

,000 eggs, 1 ,200 tea bags,

23:47

1 ,000 cans of soft drinks,

23:50

25 boxes of corn flakes, two

23:52

boxes of romaine lettuce, and

23:54

they had all kind of stuff

23:56

from England. Branson Pickles, Marmalade,

23:58

English Mustard, Earl Grey Tea. bags and

24:01

so forth. That was basically per show,

24:03

what I'm saying right there. That

24:05

was per show. So huge crew

24:07

traveling around. This is after Waters

24:09

said you guys are nothing. You'll

24:11

never ever ever make it. So

24:13

they were nervous. They're nervous

24:15

about this. They're not sure if

24:17

the fans are going to be

24:19

with them because they've just

24:22

released this album. And if

24:24

you remember correctly, 1994 was

24:26

sort of the crossover. Floyd

24:28

was basically put over into

24:31

classic rock radio you didn't

24:33

have any MP3s or Spotify

24:35

or anything like that so

24:37

were people gonna buy it where

24:39

they're gonna hear it did they

24:41

know that they were out on tour

24:43

they were nervous about this tour

24:46

and they were putting a lot

24:48

into it and so it was

24:50

kind of a make-or-break thing for

24:52

the surviving members of the Floyd

24:54

breakup they had just gone through

24:56

a big legal battle You know,

24:59

not too long before this to

25:01

be able to use the Pink

25:03

Floyd name. And it was big.

25:05

This was big for them. So this

25:08

publicous appearance of these

25:10

words on stage, now mind you,

25:12

you have all these crew members

25:14

and if you've ever been

25:16

backstage or you've been on

25:18

tour, everything is programmed.

25:21

Everything is set up in

25:23

a certain way and it's to go

25:25

at certain times. And so for

25:27

one night. on this tour because

25:29

this word didn't show up at

25:31

every single tour or every stop

25:33

on the tour it showed up

25:35

on the one night and then

25:38

again single words Publius

25:40

and Enigma on another

25:42

night and those were up on

25:44

the screen but in the lights

25:46

in the footlights down below for

25:48

that to happen it had

25:50

to be orchestrated there's no

25:53

other way around it Now

25:55

how was it orchestrated? I'll

25:57

get into that in a moment

25:59

because because Pink Floyd's been dogged

26:01

by this for years being asked

26:03

this question and every now and then

26:05

Gilmore or Nick Mason will make a slight

26:08

statement about it and they did

26:10

finally get to talk to somebody who

26:12

was involved with the stage and I'll

26:14

talk about that in a moment but

26:16

just think about the odds of that

26:18

just randomly happening it's not there. It

26:20

doesn't happen like that. It doesn't happen

26:23

like that. It doesn't happen like that.

26:25

It doesn't happen like that. It doesn't

26:27

happen like that. It doesn't happen like

26:29

So let's get back to the

26:32

existence and the validity of

26:34

this Enigma and Publius on

26:36

the heels of talking about the

26:38

sign showing up and there's no

26:40

way that was random. So there have

26:43

been clues to the existence

26:45

and validity of the Enigma

26:47

right up to 2005 and after that

26:49

I really can't find anything. I

26:52

don't know if people lost interest

26:54

or it just got shuffled

26:56

off into the dustbin of

26:58

the internet. people lost hope in

27:00

ever finding out the answer. I don't

27:03

know, but I couldn't find anything

27:05

like post 2005. But there were

27:07

some releases that were not connected

27:09

to EMI, which was their label

27:11

at the time that have shown

27:13

some validity to this. One of

27:16

them was the artwork for the

27:18

mini-dis release of a momentary lapse

27:20

of reason, and it contains the

27:23

word Publius and Enigma in

27:25

two different photos in this cover

27:27

art or in the... the gatefold

27:29

inside where you look at the

27:31

credits and so forth. The words

27:33

Publius Enigma can be heard spoken

27:35

just before the song one of

27:38

these days on the 2003 DVD

27:40

release of Pink Floyd's Live at

27:42

Pompeii. And if you go on

27:44

to YouTube and you look that up,

27:46

it's the 2003 DVD release of

27:48

Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii and

27:50

you can hear it just before the

27:53

song one of these days, which killer

27:55

song. Also Storm Thurginson's cover for John

27:57

Harris's book The Dark Side of the

28:00

Moon. published by Harper Collins in

28:02

2005 prominently includes the word

28:04

Enigma alongside the ellipsis which

28:07

apparently was a regular feature

28:09

of the clues from the

28:11

character Genesis. But perhaps the

28:13

most intriguing clue to surface

28:15

suggesting that the Enigma is

28:18

authentic came on June 11

28:20

2005 when the band agreed

28:22

to reunite for live eight.

28:24

Sources at... Publius Enigma.com reported

28:26

that a forum poster named

28:29

Publius Enigma had predicted this

28:31

event with posted clues involving

28:33

the number 11 11 exactly

28:35

a year earlier to the

28:38

day. So that would have

28:40

been June 11th 2004. It

28:42

was later revealed that Publius

28:44

Enigma was posting under several

28:46

monocers in the message board

28:49

which brought about doubts about

28:51

this credibility despite the accurate

28:53

prediction. Publius Enigma.com was soon

28:55

hacked after the website's owners

28:57

erased Publius' clues, citing fraud,

29:00

leaving many fans feeling disillusion.

29:02

Those sources did not report

29:04

this agreement until June 12th,

29:06

according to the press, and

29:09

actually the reconciliation happened on

29:11

June 11th. It's widely known

29:13

among the Publius Enigma community

29:15

that Publius made his debut

29:17

on the post. June 11th,

29:20

exactly 11 years to the

29:22

day earlier. Some has suggested

29:24

that this is directly related

29:26

to the clue found on

29:28

the inside of the Division

29:31

Bell booklet that reads ELLF

29:33

dash ELLF, which is German

29:35

for 11, 11. Interestingly enough,

29:37

Pink Floyd, we're scheduled to

29:40

play at Live 8 in

29:42

Hyde Park, which is in

29:44

London around 9 to 10

29:46

p. Due to the show...

29:48

running late. Their set was

29:51

delayed and they didn't take

29:53

the stage until shortly after

29:55

11 p.m. Which would have

29:57

been London time at 11.

30:00

11 p.m. So very strange very

30:02

very strange right there also

30:04

there's a movie in production

30:06

titled 1111 which features Pink

30:08

Floyd's high hopes as its title

30:10

track on March 6th 2006 Gilmore

30:12

released a solo album on an

30:15

island it has recently come to

30:17

light that the release date of

30:19

this album was precisely 11 years

30:21

and 11 months after the US

30:23

release date of the Division Bell

30:25

So there's a lot of

30:28

numerology going on there. And

30:30

I'm not really big into

30:32

numerology, although there's definitely some

30:35

coincidences there that are noteworthy,

30:37

for sure. One of the things

30:39

I found interesting is that there's

30:41

a website called Publious Enigma.

30:44

Blog. The pages are called

30:46

Publious Enigma solved, which it's

30:48

not true. They're not solved.

30:50

But this is put out by a

30:52

woman, and it's very very long.

30:54

She has 16 chapters, I believe.

30:56

In each chapter she talks about

30:59

growing up in Detroit and

31:01

how she used to go to

31:03

the Grand Day Ballroom and got

31:05

to know a lot of these

31:08

people rolling through at the time.

31:10

She talks about meeting Led Zeppelin,

31:12

Iggy in the Stooges, Emerson Lake

31:15

and Palmer, Pink Floyd, it goes

31:17

on. And one of the persons that

31:19

she hooks up with is Carl

31:21

Palmer. and she has a

31:23

little bit of a relationship

31:26

according to her with Carl

31:28

Palmer and then something goes

31:30

wrong they split up and I

31:32

didn't really get into the details

31:35

of it because I didn't really

31:37

care but the rest of it

31:39

is her claiming that everything

31:42

basically pink Floyd Emerson

31:45

Lake and Palmer and then

31:47

she includes staying in there

31:49

from the police is all

31:51

a huge fight and protection

31:53

and unveiling of the truth

31:56

about her relationship

31:58

with Carl Palm. which I

32:00

found odd because she didn't have

32:03

a kid with Carl Palmer. She

32:05

claims that she has secrets on

32:07

Carl Palmer. She claims that several

32:09

of sting songs were stolen from

32:12

things that she said and about

32:14

her relationship with Carl Palmer and

32:16

that the whole publicous enigma was

32:18

actually David Gilmore standing up in

32:21

defense of her and this... whatever

32:23

breakup breakdown whatever it was that

32:25

she had with carl pomer and

32:27

that actually pink Floyd and imerson

32:30

lake and pomer have a huge

32:32

feud going on or had a

32:34

huge feud going on and that

32:37

these are all subtle signs back

32:39

and forth to each other through

32:41

their albums through their songs through

32:43

their tours and so forth basically

32:46

cluing each other in to certain

32:48

aspects of their dislike for one

32:50

another or their distrust or so

32:52

forth. It's very wild. I do

32:55

not have time to go through

32:57

all of it. I will send

32:59

you this link if you would

33:01

like to plow through it because

33:04

some of it she has photos

33:06

she has photos of her and

33:08

Carl Palmer eating at a restaurant.

33:11

She has photos of her side

33:13

stage with some very very big

33:15

bands who were you know Just

33:17

coming to America at the times

33:20

in the 60s She has stories

33:22

that are unconfirmed, but about her

33:24

trying to get back in touch

33:26

with Carl Palmer his manager calling

33:29

her and so forth to me.

33:31

It seems a bit of Narcistic

33:33

paranoia wrapped in with some actual

33:35

events But I could be wrong,

33:38

I don't know, it's quite interesting

33:40

if you want to go through

33:42

it. So according to her, I'm

33:45

just going to read a bit

33:47

of what she calls the ending,

33:49

and you can get a grip

33:51

on what she's saying, because she

33:54

believes this is all about her.

33:56

She said, I had a story,

33:58

I wonder. to tell even before

34:00

the division bell was released.

34:02

Then when I listen, the album

34:04

shockingly told my original story with lyrics

34:07

and images in the artwork, I was

34:09

happy and relieved to have the support and

34:11

hear the truth. I was the only

34:13

fan who can interpret the clues in

34:15

the album artwork and the anonymous publicist

34:18

messages. I'm the only one who can

34:20

tell the complete story. Since 1994,

34:22

I've kept the story and the

34:24

answers to the publicist enigma in

34:26

my memory. Unfortunately, some fans lost

34:28

interest in it. So for years I gave up

34:30

trying to tell. Knowing what so many fans

34:32

were looking for was a burden. The

34:35

fans didn't believe me because they wanted

34:37

objective evidence, not just the clues or

34:39

what seems like a coincidence. Over the

34:41

years I'd occasionally review the publicist post

34:43

and try to finish the puzzle. I

34:45

finally found the piece that tied everything

34:47

together. I knew most of the story

34:50

behind the Division Bell lyrics and artwork.

34:52

When you lived the story, you know

34:54

it. Music is much more than just

34:56

lyrics and melody. It's communication for

34:58

musicians through which they express themselves.

35:00

Reading the story, it should be obvious

35:02

why no musician can come out and say

35:04

anything, at least not yet. She says, I don't

35:06

blame readers for thinking. I'm some conspiracy theorist,

35:09

even though I was wrong about a few

35:11

people's intentions. I believe in people trust them

35:13

and give them the benefit of the doubt.

35:16

I'm very thankful for the help of the

35:18

Division Bell album. It proved that the abuse

35:20

staying Carl Palmer and his friends were doing

35:22

to me was very real. What I went

35:25

through was horrible. It was a clear case

35:27

of intentional infliction of emotional

35:29

distress. When someone manipulates you

35:31

into believing their lives, making

35:33

question your own sanity feelings

35:35

and facts, that's emotional abuse.

35:37

And then she goes on to say that she's

35:39

run out of hope that Gilmore will say anything

35:42

about it. She says, I believe Genesis

35:44

who posted anonymously after Publius

35:46

left the Pink Floyd News

35:48

Group wrote, takes a sharp

35:50

eye to use the key. She says, I'm the

35:53

sharp eye he's referring to, my name is

35:55

D sharp, S-H-A-R-P-E, and the key

35:57

is the Manticore, a mythological

35:59

creature. which is the head

36:01

of a human in the body of

36:03

a lion. She goes on to talk

36:05

about the Manicor, Manicor Records, which was

36:07

Emerson -Lake and Palmer's record company for years.

36:09

She has a photo of Keith Richards

36:11

wearing a Manicor t -shirt and it

36:13

goes on. Anyway, so that's,

36:15

that's her interpretation. It's fascinating,

36:18

it's fascinating read. I don't

36:20

buy it. She does have

36:22

some very interesting things in there.

36:24

If they are true, I'm not sure.

36:27

So in 1995, in

36:30

an interview with Guitar magazine, they

36:34

asked David Gilmore about

36:36

this enigma

36:38

and Publius and

36:40

they also asked in

36:42

1996 Richard Wright and

36:44

they also asked Nick Mason.

36:47

Gilmore denied it all saying he

36:49

didn't know anything about it. Rick

36:52

Wright said he didn't know anything about

36:54

it. But in 1995, Sean

36:56

Heisler began digging for

36:58

information from the band's associates.

37:01

Mark Fisher and Storm

37:03

Thurgensen revealed nothing, but concert

37:05

director Mark Brickham did. He

37:08

said he was ordered by manager

37:10

Steve Ororic to arrange the two

37:12

signals via the lighting effects. Ororic

37:14

denied that, said that the puzzle

37:16

wasn't from him or from any

37:18

member of Pink Floyd. So

37:20

the guy who was doing the light

37:22

said, hey, the manager, Steve Ororic, told

37:25

me to arrange these signals to put that up there.

37:27

But then Steve Ororic said, no, I didn't do it. In

37:30

2005, during a book signing

37:32

of Inside Out, a personal history of

37:34

Pink Floyd, this is what Nick Mason said.

37:38

That was a ploy done by EMI, which

37:40

was their record label. They had

37:42

a man working for them who adored puzzles.

37:44

He used to work with the Reagan administration. His

37:47

job then would be to be

37:49

in meetings with the president when Reagan would

37:51

say, let's bomb these things. He would say,

37:53

that's not a good idea, sir. He was

37:55

working for EMI and suggested that a puzzle

37:57

be created that could be followed on the

37:59

web. The prize was never given

38:01

out. To this day it remains unresolved.

38:04

The prize was something like a crop

38:06

of trees planted in a clear-cut

38:08

area of forest or something to that

38:10

effect. It was not to be a

38:13

prize of some tangible thing, but rather

38:15

a touchy-feely sort of gift that was

38:17

more of a philanthropic thing than

38:19

something you could hang on the wall.

38:21

Gilmore in 2002 said it was some

38:24

silly record company thing that they thought

38:26

up to puzzle people with. And so

38:28

those were the only official statements

38:30

that I could find from the

38:32

band regarding this puzzle. I read from

38:34

one of the blog posts, and there's

38:37

a lot, there's so much chatter in

38:39

the blog post, people trying to figure

38:41

it out and so forth. It was hard

38:43

to kind of wade through all of it,

38:45

but every now and then something stuck out

38:48

that I thought was interesting, and this was

38:50

one, this was a post that said, I've

38:52

studied the Enigma for over 14 years, and

38:55

perhaps I can offer some help. This forum

38:57

has attracted my attention because a

38:59

few of you have helped me

39:01

to further verify some of my

39:03

theories regarding the Enigma. Let me first

39:06

state that I believe the Enigma is

39:08

much bigger than the Beatles and Pink

39:10

Floyd. They are merely players in the

39:13

game. Other musicians have also tried

39:15

to express the Enigma such as

39:17

Led Zeppelin, Boston, Mozart, Tool,

39:19

9-inch Nails, Alan Parsons projects,

39:22

and hundreds of others. Certain

39:24

people who have... been caught exposing

39:26

too much of the enigma have

39:28

been dealt with, which is why they

39:30

cannot just quote come forward. Furthermore,

39:33

even if they did just come out

39:35

and tell you, you probably wouldn't

39:37

believe them. It's almost something

39:40

you have to experience for

39:42

yourself. John Lennon, Stanley Kubrick,

39:44

Mozart, Douglas Adams, Steve O'Rourke,

39:47

Pink Floyd's old manager, and

39:49

possible public a suspect, are only

39:51

a few artists among the dead.

39:53

So what he is implying or what

39:55

that person is implying there is that

39:57

this is some sort of inside and

40:00

industry, information, some

40:02

sort of inside maybe

40:04

cry for help or some

40:06

information about the

40:08

industry hidden away in these

40:10

clues locked away in there and

40:12

that they are trying to subtly

40:14

get this message out that either

40:17

they're trapped or they had to

40:19

sell their soul or like we've

40:21

talked about before in the Luminati

40:23

and music that they're captive. That's

40:26

what that's implying. I'm not saying

40:28

that's what's happening but I thought it

40:30

was interesting that that's what that person

40:32

was implying there and then I found

40:34

this, this was on Reddit, this is

40:36

by somebody who has been working

40:38

on this for a long time as

40:41

well and they say the answer

40:43

is extremely simple and

40:45

has been there from the beginning. I've

40:48

only just recently heard about

40:50

this whole Publius enigma and they

40:52

say first it would help to understand more

40:54

the meaning of the division bell which is one

40:56

of my favorite Pink Floyd albums. This is

40:58

this person writing. Says

41:00

the division bell ties to the wall's

41:02

idea of an inner metaphysical conflict that

41:05

can separate you from reality. Throughout the

41:07

album is an ideal of overcoming ego

41:09

and that the answers to many of

41:11

the deepest questions about yourself lie within

41:13

and yet this is not the whole

41:15

picture. Yes we do all

41:17

hide secrets from each other and

41:20

from ourselves but the division bell asks

41:22

us to connect with others to

41:24

put aside the differences that create division

41:26

to share our secrets with one

41:28

another and to discover our truths together.

41:30

The true illusion is the division

41:32

between us as echoes puts it

41:34

best I am you and what I

41:36

see is me. We are collectively

41:39

the human race. Every single one of

41:41

us on this planet has the

41:43

capacity for introspection and thought through the

41:45

power of empathy to put aside

41:47

ego and join together and yet we

41:49

don't. That is the enigma right

41:51

there and even though your life can

41:53

only be truly experienced and known by

41:55

you as the individual that does not

41:57

mean that we must turn away from

41:59

one another. In fact, it is only through

42:01

individuals understanding one another that they

42:03

can truly understand themselves. It's a

42:05

collaboration and a companionship that humanity

42:07

was born for and has used

42:09

to not only survive but thrive.

42:11

There is only one true answer

42:14

to the Publius Enigma. I believe

42:16

it is the very idea of

42:18

collaboration, of communication, and how it

42:20

is the answer to everything, how

42:22

fitting and simple it is. there

42:24

from the very first message. According

42:26

to him, that's what he thinks

42:28

or this person thinks the answer

42:30

is. Again, a lot of theories.

42:32

A lot of people have different

42:34

theories from, hey, it's all about

42:36

me. No, it's very esoteric. No,

42:38

it's just a wild goose chase

42:40

made up moment by moment to

42:42

keep people hooked into Pink Floyd,

42:44

to bring back interest into the

42:46

band. It was a publicity stunt.

42:48

Nobody really knows. And that's what's

42:50

so intriguing about this whole thing.

42:52

It involves Pink Floyd, but does

42:54

it involve the Floyd members? They

42:56

say no. They say, wow, it

42:58

was just made up by EMI,

43:00

and it was made up by

43:02

this guy, although they never named

43:04

that guy. And he liked puzzles,

43:06

and so he thought this would

43:08

be fun. Possibly. Publius never ever

43:10

ever names themselves so we don't

43:12

know who they are a lot

43:14

of people think it was their

43:16

manager some people believe it was

43:18

Somebody on the extreme inside obviously

43:20

in the inner circle we used

43:22

to call those layers if you

43:24

were a Big artists like a

43:26

very popular artist or band you

43:28

have layers you have outer layers

43:30

Which is promo team record sales

43:32

and then it gets smaller smaller

43:34

smaller all the way up to

43:36

where you have basically the band

43:38

their manager a personal assistant and

43:40

just a few little people around

43:42

them they're kind of in a

43:44

bubble even really

43:46

know. The manager

43:48

knows but the

43:50

band and most

43:52

have no clue

43:55

what's going on

43:57

down the layers

43:59

of these circles.

44:01

We call them

44:03

the circles of

44:05

death because to

44:07

get through them

44:09

sometimes was near

44:11

impossible. Even if

44:13

you knew the artist, that happened several times.

44:15

I would know the artist and when I

44:17

finally got in touch with them, I'd say,

44:19

man, I've been trying to get in a

44:21

hold of you for a long time and

44:23

I would tell them, hey, I called this

44:25

person, that person, that person. They told me

44:27

you were too busy or you didn't have

44:29

time and it would usually not go well

44:31

for the person who had told

44:33

me those things because the artists

44:35

themselves generally don't know what's going

44:37

on down the chain because they're the

44:39

creative force, right? They're working, they're supposed

44:41

to be where they're supposed to be,

44:43

do what they're supposed to do and

44:46

they sort of in a bubble like we say. So

44:48

what do we make of this

44:50

Publius Enigma? My

44:52

honest opinion is this

44:55

was a ploy

44:57

by EMI because again,

44:59

let's go back

45:01

to the history of Pink Floyd

45:03

and what was going on at

45:05

the time. EMI, they

45:09

knew Pink Floyd was popular obviously

45:11

because you have the Juggernaut albums,

45:13

The Wall, Dark Side of the

45:15

Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals

45:18

Was Big, but the last album,

45:20

the final cut, was an absolute bomb

45:22

and a flop. Nobody

45:25

liked it. And

45:27

then there was the split, a

45:29

lot of bad blood, a lot

45:31

of bad publicity, then there was the

45:34

trial, who can get to use

45:36

the name. The Floyd fans were split, there

45:38

were those who were in the Roger Waters

45:40

camp, there were those who thought, what's Pink Floyd

45:42

going to do without Roger Waters? He's the

45:44

lyricist, he's the lead vocalist, what are they going

45:46

to do? So

45:48

EMI is like, well, we've

45:50

got to re -establish interest in

45:52

this ban. And so

45:54

I think this was a sidebar

45:56

thing that they did, the internet's new,

45:58

these chat rooms are new. Let's create some

46:01

sort of internet storm over here

46:03

while we do the usual promotions

46:05

over here. Let's think outside the

46:07

box. How can we get people

46:10

involved in this? How can we

46:12

get people to invite others into

46:14

it? Let's get the Pink Floyd

46:17

fans rallied and they dangled this

46:19

carrot of there's a prize at the

46:21

end. And that plays on people's minds.

46:23

Well, what is this prize? I don't

46:25

know what that prize is. It's got

46:28

to be big because if this thing

46:30

is that hard and this is that

46:32

difficult to solve, the end result has

46:34

to be massive. Maybe I get to

46:36

tour with them. Maybe I get to

46:38

sit in on a recording session with

46:40

them. Maybe I get the entire back

46:42

catalog signed. Maybe I get a

46:44

guitar from David Gilmore that's autographed

46:46

or he... Who knows? It's in

46:48

your head. Because it wasn't specified

46:51

so it's in your mind. You're

46:53

making it up You're thinking

46:55

grand things and in order for

46:58

the words Publious Enigma to

47:00

appear on stage in lights and

47:02

then again in graphics that are

47:05

up on a big screen that

47:07

doesn't happen by accident You have

47:09

to go through several different people

47:12

one person's not controlling all of

47:14

that You have groups, they hire

47:16

groups, they hire lighting groups,

47:18

they hire graphic designers, they

47:20

hire all kind of people

47:22

who are running these things, who do

47:25

lots of different jobs. They

47:27

work for multiple different

47:29

bands. They're not just

47:31

Pink Floyd employees. So

47:33

it's not a complete in-house thing.

47:35

In fact, a lot of times

47:38

it changes from city to city

47:40

to city. They hire locals. to set

47:42

up and break down the stage to

47:44

run you know the side soundboard to

47:46

run you know some of the power

47:49

whatever it is they definitely have

47:51

their crew that's going to run

47:53

the main things but they can't

47:55

afford for things to go wrong

47:58

obviously so but the kind of minor

48:00

things. Like I went to a

48:02

Roger Waters show where they had

48:04

a massive meltdown. He had this

48:06

big silver orb that was

48:08

supposed to float around the arena

48:11

during a song and then end

48:13

up back on stage and the

48:15

whole thing went wrong. And they

48:17

had to start the song over, they

48:19

tried it again, the thing would,

48:21

it would float like halfway and

48:23

get stuck, and it was a

48:25

disaster. I was at another water

48:28

show outside. and they had huge

48:30

screens set up everywhere because he

48:32

was going to have this big multimedia

48:34

experience for everybody and it

48:36

was so windy that it

48:38

was blowing them all down so they

48:40

had to take them down and you didn't

48:42

get any of the videos and he was

48:45

very apologetic but things happened do

48:47

you think all those people who were

48:49

up there taking down that tarp and everything

48:51

were his guys no they there were local

48:53

guys that they are hired The

48:56

guys who drive the trucks for

48:58

the bands drive the semis

49:00

they're hired guys who drive

49:03

the buses primarily are hired maybe

49:05

You know not the band, but

49:07

any of the other crew members

49:09

and so forth It's all hired out.

49:12

So You have that it was

49:14

somebody on the inside this was

49:16

not somebody outside the band

49:18

doing this The interest that

49:20

needed to take place to

49:23

recoup the money that was

49:25

put forward by flying around

49:27

a big airship, promoting the

49:29

tour, having all these trucks,

49:31

and three days to set

49:34

things up, tear it down,

49:36

move it around the country,

49:38

and so forth. There's a

49:40

ton of money involved in

49:42

this, and they were nervous.

49:45

And they were thinking any

49:47

way possible to generate

49:49

interest, to get people

49:51

there. and to make sure

49:54

this thing was a success guaranteed.

49:56

And it was, it was huge, it

49:58

was massive, it was so... out everywhere

50:00

you couldn't find tickets

50:02

even outside it's very rare that

50:05

I go to a show that

50:07

you don't find people outside of

50:09

the scalping some tickets I don't

50:11

remember any at that show because

50:13

everybody wanted to be there it

50:15

was the return to Pink Floyd

50:17

and what was going to happen

50:19

and it was glorious it

50:21

was amazing but this is an

50:23

amazing interesting experiment

50:26

I'll say And again, to this

50:28

day, it's never been solved. And I

50:30

think that was the whole point.

50:32

I believe that when this was

50:35

started, it was started

50:37

as a media marketing ploy.

50:39

They didn't realize how popular

50:41

it was going to be.

50:43

And it left them kind of scrambling.

50:45

They were making it up as

50:48

they go along. If you go

50:50

through the publicus accounts where

50:52

he starts leaving clues and...

50:54

urging people on and telling

50:56

them that they're they're right

50:59

here and they're right there

51:01

Super vague every now and

51:03

then he leaves clues, but

51:05

the clues actually lead you

51:07

away from where you already were

51:09

I look through a lot of them and

51:12

It's so vague and so

51:14

non-descript that it could be anything

51:16

and so the idea was get

51:19

people back into the Floyd

51:21

albums back into the Floyd songs.

51:23

Listen, ask your friends, hey, do

51:25

you hear this? Do you, can

51:28

you see this? You find this

51:30

and it's on the top

51:33

of everybody's mind and

51:35

it was successful. It

51:37

worked. I could be wrong. I'm

51:39

just saying from somebody

51:42

who was in the music

51:44

industry, this was a

51:46

gold mine of a promotional

51:48

exercise. And that's why

51:50

it's never been solved, because it

51:53

was unsolvable. There was no solution.

51:55

There was no prize. And I think

51:57

people have figured that out for the

51:59

most... with the exception of this

52:01

one lady, the Denise, from

52:03

her Publious Enigma blog, which

52:05

is entertaining reading. It really is.

52:08

Very entertaining, if you like, hearing

52:10

about old rock bands in the early

52:12

days of the Detroit scene and

52:14

Zeppelin rolling through for the first time.

52:17

She has some interesting stuff in there,

52:19

and then she kind of goes off

52:21

the rails, and I wonder if she

52:23

did, maybe. you know, too many drugs

52:25

back in those days, and

52:28

or you had one too

52:30

many experiences in the Socrates,

52:32

and reality and fantasy

52:34

started blurring. That's what

52:37

it appears to me. I could

52:39

be wrong, but I do not

52:41

believe that Emerson Lake and Palmer

52:43

and that Pink Floyd and

52:45

Sting were all writing about her

52:47

and going back and forth in

52:50

a musical feud relating

52:52

to her. and her relationship with

52:54

Carl Palmer. That did not

52:56

happen. I can guarantee you that.

52:58

But I'd be interested to know if

53:01

you were caught up in this. Because

53:03

again, this took place in 1994.

53:05

It went for several years, and

53:07

then it basically got shut down,

53:09

and then Genesis took it up.

53:11

And a lot of people debate

53:13

whether Genesis was legit or not,

53:16

or was just somebody who was

53:18

very bright and took the clues that

53:20

were there and ran with them. It

53:22

seems to me it was definitely a

53:25

different voice than Publius. Don't know if

53:27

they were connected or if it was,

53:29

you know, somebody on hiatus from

53:31

whatever Pink Floyd was doing. They

53:33

said, hey, let's regenerate some interest

53:35

in this and get people back

53:37

on track. I don't know. Have no idea.

53:40

But I will tell you this, it'll never

53:42

be solved because it's not supposed to

53:44

be solved. There is no prize. That's

53:46

not going to happen. And you have

53:49

to look out for these sort of

53:51

these sort of things. Not because it's

53:53

pink Floyd not because it's a brilliant

53:55

marketing ploy or whatever, but this is

53:57

an example of things that happen online

53:59

in the forums where you're promised

54:01

something or there's clues and

54:04

you're put on this. Think

54:06

about the hours and hours

54:08

and hours that people poured

54:10

into this to end up with nothing.

54:12

Some people talked about how

54:14

they would think about it 24

54:16

hours a day loose sleep. They

54:18

were constantly perusing through photos and

54:20

through music and lyrics and jewel

54:22

cases and books and everything to

54:25

come up with the clues. They

54:27

were obsessed with it, which is

54:29

not healthy. And I don't blame

54:31

Pink Floyd for that. I think they

54:33

just were victims of whoever was

54:35

on their team and thought this

54:37

was a really cool idea and

54:39

it went off into a whole

54:41

different arena. They were obviously beneficiaries

54:43

of it because it's brought a

54:45

lot of attention to them. Successful

54:47

tour. Successful tour. and it was

54:50

a great album, no doubt about

54:52

it. So that's Publius Enigma. If

54:54

you were caught up in it,

54:56

I would love to hear your

54:58

story. Maybe you think you solved

55:00

it. Or you know somebody who

55:02

solved it. Or you found somebody

55:04

who solved it that I didn't

55:07

locate because I've been digging

55:09

into this for months and

55:11

reading all kind of. long blog

55:13

post and everything that public

55:15

has put down and Genesis

55:17

and all kind of different

55:19

Avenues of the story From

55:21

everything I can find there's only

55:24

one or two people who claim they

55:26

have the answer and their answer is

55:28

very lame in my opinion They

55:30

were never deemed the winner and

55:32

they were never given anything. So

55:34

there's that But email me down

55:37

the RH of proton mill.com down

55:39

the R. H of proton mill.

55:41

Keep enjoying Pink Floyd's Music if

55:43

you listen to the division bell.

55:45

I'm sure there's some messages in

55:48

there for you me and everybody

55:50

But it's not the secret

55:52

hidden message of Publius Enigma

55:54

Those are my thoughts about it. What

55:56

are yours? I'm big D and I'm out

55:58

of here