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2:01

Hey everybody, welcome to Off The Vine. I'm

2:03

your host, Caitlin Bristow, and today we have

2:05

one of the secret lives of Mormon -Wive stars,

2:07

Jesse Nadiqara. She's a salon owner. She's an

2:09

ex. Mormon. So I had a lot of

2:11

questions about that transition. She's a Mama 3,

2:13

a breakout star from the Secret Lives of

2:15

Mormon wives on Hulu. Obviously, we all know

2:17

about that show. So from her real thoughts

2:19

on the other wives to spilling the tea

2:22

about all of her plastic surgery that she's

2:24

had done, including some of the things that

2:26

you might not expect, Jesse is giving us

2:28

a little more than what we see on

2:30

season one. Okay, so we're recording now, but

2:32

we were just talking about how much reality

2:34

TV can just give you so much anxiety.

2:36

Yes. And this is all so new for

2:38

you. So when, like, how long have you

2:40

been in The Bills now? What, like, a

2:42

year a half? Yeah, a year and a

2:44

half. I auditioned for the show in 2023.

2:47

Yeah. But we didn't get, like, the official

2:49

green light for another, like, nine months. So

2:51

I knew I was gonna be a part

2:53

of it, but I lived my life normally.

2:56

So we started filming season one in January of

2:58

last year, so a year and a half.

3:00

Oh, my gosh. And, like, how are you doing?

3:03

I'm good, but hectic and crazy

3:05

and especially right now because we're

3:07

like promoting season two and there's

3:09

so much press and it's wild,

3:11

but good. Okay, it's up and

3:13

down. It's any roller coaster that is

3:15

like when you jump into the world of

3:17

reality TV. It's like the internet of

3:19

course has so much to say. like ask

3:21

me in three weeks when like the

3:23

show's out. And you go from like hanging

3:25

out with people that you love and

3:28

that love you. to, well, maybe

3:30

not all of them, but to the world being

3:32

open to loving or hating you. Yes. Yeah,

3:34

it's a lot. It's a lot. And you know

3:36

that you're going to have some people that

3:38

love you and some that hate you, but they

3:40

don't see the full pictures with so hard

3:42

because you want to fight back and be like,

3:44

no, you don't understand, but it's pointless because

3:46

there's always going to be those people. It is

3:48

pointless. It's still 10

3:50

years later. I'm still like Caitlin. It's pointless.

3:52

Why are you trying to like be petty and

3:54

clout back? Well, it is and

3:56

I'm like such a believer in standing up for

3:58

yourself plus as part of my humor for like

4:00

when and how I do clout back I'm like

4:02

sometimes I do find it funny. So I'm like,

4:04

just let me have that, you know, let me

4:06

be a little petty. Let me don't get to

4:08

determine how you handle hate. Like, yeah, there do

4:10

you have enough frigging? It's so crazy because I

4:12

always say if you walked into a room full

4:14

of your haters, you would not want to be

4:16

friends with them. Anyways, you wouldn't be like, I'm

4:18

so disappointed these people don't like me. You'd be

4:20

like, oh yeah, I don't like you either. Yeah,

4:22

we wouldn't vibe in the real world. not vibe

4:24

in the real world. But also something I've noticed

4:26

is I will get hate comments from people and

4:28

then see them in real life and they're like,

4:30

can I get a picture? And I'm like, behind

4:33

a keyboard, everyone's brave, you know? It

4:35

is a little fear of mine that I'm gonna

4:37

be nice to a hater. Yeah, you're

4:39

like, I don't want that. Yeah, there was, I'll

4:41

never forget, poor Claire Crawley from Bachelor World. Yes.

4:43

Somebody hated her and then they asked to take

4:45

a picture with her and in the picture they

4:47

went, You're kidding. Oh,

4:50

that's awful. was like, that is like next

4:52

level bullying. I didn't think people were like that

4:54

in real life. I thought it was all

4:56

the internet. That's sad. Sometimes I'm like, are these

4:58

people real? Yeah. I would

5:00

love to see their living situation. I don't

5:02

mean like what kind of house they have,

5:04

what kind of car drive, who they are

5:06

as a person. just like what their day

5:08

looks like. Yeah, it would be miserable, I'm

5:10

pretty sure. Oh my gosh. OK, well, let's

5:12

rewind to go backwards to before reality TV.

5:15

OK. I just want to note, because you

5:17

wear many hats. You wear many hairs. Yeah,

5:19

there you go. You're like a salon owner.

5:21

You have a hair extension line? Yeah, hair

5:23

extension company and a hair school and a

5:25

product line. So that's cool. Yeah. So obviously

5:27

this can help that. Oh, it's been amazing.

5:29

Because it builds up your audience and that's

5:31

really cool. My producer told me the other

5:33

day he was like, Jay -Z, which is

5:36

my salon, feels like the central perk of

5:38

Secret Life. Cool. like, OK, amazing. That's

5:40

OK. watch Friends? You know what? I'm like, do

5:43

you know that reference? I you could name

5:45

it you could I could tell you what season

5:47

what episode the will come from play friends

5:49

at my shampoo bowl like we have a TV

5:51

and it's on a constant loop I love

5:53

that compliment. Oh, that is a good comment I

5:55

have friends trivia that I always play with

5:57

my girlfriends when they come over for a night

5:59

Yeah, I'm obsessed with it. how you know

6:02

we're millennials, right? I know I'm like with my

6:04

skinny jeans give it away that does Exactly

6:06

wait. What kind of hair extensions? I tell me

6:08

everything cuz I am like yeah Hair extensions,

6:10

for me, I'm like a love -hate relationship with

6:12

them. Yeah, I get that. Tell me about yours.

6:14

So we have a few different methods. We

6:16

have clip ins, which are semi -permanent. Love clip

6:18

ins. I'm wearing them right now. Oh, do you

6:20

have them in? Like two little pieces. Oh,

6:23

okay. To fill in. Yeah. See, this is the

6:25

thing. Even with short hair, you need extensions.

6:27

Yeah. Like everyone does. Yeah. They just add so

6:29

much volume and texture. And it holds the

6:31

curl better. Yeah. But we have wefts, two different

6:33

types for sewing in. Yeah. And then we

6:35

have tape ins. Oh, okay. So those are the

6:37

options we're working on. but I have 30

6:39

different colors and four different lengths. So

6:41

anyone can order our hair. We have a

6:43

store for Anna website. We're worldwide and it's

6:46

for hair stylists and clients. Cool, good for

6:48

you. Thanks, yeah, it's super fun. Wait, and

6:50

why did Jay -Z? Oh my gosh, okay.

6:52

So my ex -husband's name's Zach and my name's

6:54

Jay -Z. So when I made my hair

6:56

account before my business, I was like Jay -Z

6:58

and then I was obsessed with Harry Styles,

7:00

so Styles. Oh my God. Wait, that's kind

7:02

of cool. I know, because now it doesn't

7:04

have to, it's not like his name is

7:07

attached to it. No, I mean, it's just

7:09

an initial. But then we got

7:11

divorced and was like, that kind of sucks. But

7:13

then I named my son Jagger Zane. So now

7:15

I have a Jay -Z him. Whoa, wait, that is

7:17

a sick name. Yeah, isn't it cute? Jagger

7:20

Zane. Yeah. So

7:22

I'm like kind of badass. And now I

7:24

can say Jay -Z stands for my son's

7:26

name. So I kind of like repurposed. Dude,

7:28

I just did this because I Have my

7:30

ex's initials on my foot? No, you don't.

7:32

Run like when I was 24? Oh? And

7:34

then I was like, well, if we break

7:36

up, it'll be for my best friend, Jess

7:38

Knudsen. But then she got married. So her

7:40

last change. Wait, what are the initials? JK,

7:43

which LOL. That is actually really funny. But

7:45

then. JK, not within forever. JK, JK. And

7:47

then when I was with my last relationship,

7:49

I was like, oh, perfect. It stands for

7:51

Jason and Caitlin. Oh. And then we broke

7:53

up. And now like, do I

7:55

just get the thing removed? Honestly, I'm in the process

7:57

of getting tattoos removed. Are you done it? No.

7:59

It is like, OK, this one, you can see it's

8:01

kind of faded. What is, what was it? Well,

8:03

it was. my son's name. It said Jag, but it

8:05

looked like it said jog. It was just done

8:07

badly, so I was like, no. So I'm getting it

8:10

removed. It is so hurtful. I mean, it's literally

8:12

boiling your skin off. Yes. So like

8:14

they can numb you with lidocaine, which helps, but

8:16

it still sucks getting numbed. But yeah, but

8:18

honestly, at that point, maybe do it like. It's

8:20

cursed, it sounds like. It's

8:22

so funny, because that ex, I actually still

8:24

get along with him, but I'm really close

8:27

with his parents. Oh, that's funny. So they're

8:29

like, well, you're still like us. Yeah, so

8:31

keep it, you know? But it was funny,

8:33

because I was like, I still like him

8:35

too. Wait, did he get your initials? No.

8:37

Oh, okay. Was it just you? It was

8:39

just drunk, Caitlin being 23 years old, thinking

8:41

this is a great idea. I've done it,

8:43

yeah. And then having a backup plan, like

8:45

it'll be my friend's initials. Yeah, you're like,

8:47

it works, it's great. So,

8:49

okay, so wait, where can people buy all

8:51

your hair products? So it's JZStyles.com. So they're perfect.

8:53

Were you kind of already posting on social

8:56

media, like active and doing all that before you

8:58

went on TV? Yeah, like I built my

9:00

business on social media. Cool. So I teach hair

9:02

classes across the country. I have a hair

9:04

school. Amazing. And I built it all on YouTube

9:06

and Instagram. Oh, wow. And TikTok now. Good

9:08

for you. Yeah, so I felt like I was

9:10

already in the influencer space and that's what

9:12

they were looking for on the show is moms

9:14

who are also influencers and business owners. So

9:17

like me and Mace, you're the business owners of

9:19

the group. So I think that we bring

9:21

a little bit of like level headness to the

9:23

group because I'm used, I have 50 employees.

9:25

So like I'm used to like hurting people. Managing

9:27

people. Exactly. That's a tough job. It is.

9:29

So mom talks nothing. I'm like, I say girls,

9:31

it's fine. Like, wait, for people who don't

9:33

know, explain what mom talk is. Okay. So mom

9:36

talk is the girls on the cast and

9:38

mom talk has been around for a while. It's

9:40

moms on TikTok. Taylor started it. Taylor,

9:42

Frankie, Paul, and it was just moms who

9:44

would get together and make content. And it

9:46

was kind of like an exclusive group. Then

9:48

it blew up because of a swinging scandals

9:50

if you watch season one you'll see that

9:52

and now it's the girls on the cast

9:54

we are mom talk so okay yeah influencers

9:56

who are moms so even if you don't

9:58

get along do you still do the tiktoks

10:00

yes which is hard oh yeah like Whitney

10:02

for example yeah season one she was kind

10:04

of on the outs with us yeah yeah

10:06

and you'll see season two she like maybe

10:09

reappears, but when there are real dramatic things that

10:11

happen in the friend group, you still have to

10:13

do your job. Like the mom talk is still

10:15

a business. So like, you just have to like,

10:17

they're a co -worker, put a smile on it, it's

10:19

hard. Yeah. How long is filming? Okay, so season

10:21

one, we filmed, I think it was eight weeks.

10:23

So basically they give you like a week per

10:25

episode. Okay. And it was eight episodes last time.

10:27

Season two is 10 episodes that are being released.

10:29

Oh my was 10 weeks. Yeah. It's

10:32

a lot. I always just think about

10:34

it because you obviously in life want

10:36

to surround yourself with people who inspire

10:38

you and make you happy and fill

10:40

your cup. eight

10:43

to 10 weeks of your life, and

10:45

then doing press with them. Yes, you have

10:47

to get along, but sometimes you don't. So

10:49

who's like, Whitney, that whole situation,

10:52

do you guys get along? I feel

10:54

like you'll see in season two

10:56

that there's an evolution, and like

10:58

it gets better, but season one, season

11:00

two could be crazier than season one.

11:03

Yeah, like. Season one felt

11:05

like a test run. Really? Now,

11:08

season two is crazy. Season two is, no

11:10

matter what show, I feel like they just get

11:12

better and better. Like, look at White Lotus.

11:14

Oh, yeah. Season two is actually my favorite. But

11:16

season three, I was like this. You

11:18

find your bearings. Yes. Oh my god. I

11:21

get like depressed when it's over. Yeah. No me

11:23

too because it becomes such a part of your routine

11:25

like Sunday night. Yeah, watch my load. Oh gosh. And

11:28

even when the episodes are slow, like you're

11:30

drawn in. Yes. It's so good. All right. Cause

11:32

you get so invested in the characters, which

11:34

people obviously get invested in your guys' lives. Yes.

11:36

Yeah. And that's, I mean, do you know

11:38

what the ratings were on? No. Oh. I have

11:40

no, on my show? Yeah. No. I have

11:42

no clue. I don't even know if I do,

11:44

like, I know it was number one on

11:46

Hulu for a while. Yeah. Yeah. So it was

11:48

like, it beat out the Kardashians premiere I

11:50

heard. So we did not think people were going

11:52

to like it. How did that show even

11:54

come to be? So Taylor had a

11:56

big swinging scandal and I think that producers

11:59

and managers got wind of that and they

12:01

were like, this could make a great TV

12:03

show. And then it's actually funny, they filmed

12:05

a pilot and if you watch the first

12:07

episode, can you kind of tell it

12:09

was two different time periods because of hair changes

12:11

and stuff? But I also knew that. Oh, you

12:13

knew that. So you know. So they filmed and

12:15

then Taylor got arrested. So they had to stop,

12:17

but that's when I got. So I'm grateful. I

12:20

always tell Taylor, I'm like, thanks for going to

12:22

jail. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. That was a

12:24

wild time. Yeah, well, so they brought on me

12:26

and three other girls that were kind of like

12:28

in that universe of mom talk. Yeah. And then

12:30

we started filming. So it was cool because I

12:32

think that her scandals just like drew in a

12:34

natural storyline. And then I always say like they

12:36

struck gold with our cast because there is always

12:39

something going on. Like our friendship is so dramatic,

12:41

but also amazing. Why is it so dramatic? I

12:43

don't know because people online will be like, you

12:45

guys are doing all this drama for just the

12:47

show and promotion. And I'm like, truly no, like

12:49

we have enough promotion live with like marketing and

12:51

podcasts. And yeah, you could do. We don't need

12:53

to do that. It's actually our real lives. And

12:55

it happens when we're not even promoting the show,

12:58

like in the middle of the seasons, it happens.

13:00

So I don't know what's wrong with us, but

13:02

you're, but you're happy to be a part of

13:04

it. I am. Yeah. I've met some of my

13:06

best friends, like I love it. Yeah. are you

13:08

closest with? Macy, Mikaela, Taylor, I

13:10

feel like Layla, we're all really close, but

13:12

Taylor and Mace, you're like my best friends. Oh,

13:14

really? Okay. I love them. Taylor, I feel

13:16

like I've always wanted to talk to her

13:18

too because I feel like she goes through so

13:21

many ups and downs and she's also so

13:23

vulnerable and real as you are, like with social

13:25

media and certain things that go on in

13:27

her life. Yeah, she's an open book. Oh,

13:29

I just great for reality. Like it gives us

13:31

what we have. So yeah, but it's like

13:33

so polarizing to people and you know, it

13:35

again opens the doors for love and hate. But

13:37

I do feel like, don't you feel like

13:40

people flip on people at the like. Yes. Like

13:42

that. Like I always say, like, if you're

13:44

the villain one season, you'll be like the

13:46

favorite next season. Or vice versa. It happens on

13:48

Bachelor all the time. The villains always get

13:50

the redemptions on Bachelor in Paradise. Oh, that's so

13:52

true. time. Every single time. And it's

13:54

so interesting because I'm like that. is probably

13:56

a lot of reality television. Yeah. Well, I feel

13:58

like it's like the closer you fly to

14:00

the sun, you're going to get burned. So like

14:02

when people love you so much, like

14:05

I always worry about like Alex Earl, for

14:07

example, because she's so loved and so popular.

14:09

I'm like, when are people going to turn

14:11

on her? Because it's just bound to happen

14:13

and she won't even do anything. It'll just

14:15

happen. You know, I do think about that

14:17

often with a lot of people because she

14:19

seems like such a real and she's very

14:21

sweet. She does. I've heard she's lovely. I

14:23

have heard that she's just genuine. Yes. And.

14:25

I don't know why genuine people intimidate others

14:27

so much. Like, they love to build people

14:29

up and then jealousy. Yeah, and then they

14:31

- Oh, you're being your authentic self and

14:33

people love you, that's not fair, you know?

14:35

Which, this is why people love her, but

14:37

it'll also be the reason for the downfall.

14:39

Or people will try. I don't think she'll

14:41

ever get canceled, but like, it's the same

14:43

with Taylor Swift. People love her so much

14:45

right now in the Ares tour, but like,

14:47

are people gonna turn on her again? Like,

14:49

it's actually scary that like, the more success

14:51

you have, you're opening yourself up to like

14:53

a bigger downfall, and especially in reality. Well,

14:55

especially - you are at the hands of editors

14:57

and producers and all of that stuff. My

14:59

goal in life is just to be always

15:01

a host. Always a host. You're so smart.

15:04

I've done the contestant thing. It worked out

15:06

well for me. And I feel

15:08

like I got, I always say

15:10

this, that people are one dimensional on TV

15:12

shows. You always see this one side of

15:14

them. Especially a dating show. You're not seeing

15:16

their real lives as much. Yes. If you're

15:18

considering people's edits, what do you think about

15:20

your edit? Is it fair, true to yourself?

15:22

Yeah, I actually tell everyone that season one,

15:24

I feel like it was to every single

15:26

person. Like I know Whitney got it bad

15:28

at it, that was our experience with Whitney.

15:30

So like, actually no, she didn't. So when

15:33

you listened to like her on these interviews

15:35

and explaining herself, are you like... Yeah, I

15:37

was like listening to yours too and I'm

15:39

like, oh, interesting. Was she lying? No, no.

15:41

Whitney has her own narrative and everyone is...

15:43

valid in their opinions, their thoughts, their experience,

15:45

right? But I think that she was just

15:47

like really confused why we had an issue. But

15:49

then when we would explain it, she still like didn't

15:51

get it and wouldn't take accountability. Got it. So

15:53

it was a little bit of like victim for me.

15:55

Yeah. But we do hash that out. You guys

15:57

will see it. Okay. But no, I actually feel like

15:59

season one, it was very accurate. And I think I

16:01

got a good at it. Maybe that means next

16:03

season I'll get a bad one. But I was just,

16:05

I'm like a fun, lighthearted, like I'm the one that's

16:07

like Ex -mormant Mormon in the group. And so I'm

16:09

just like, I'll drink, I'll have a good time.

16:11

I got plastic surgery on season one. Like I'm just

16:13

an open book. Okay, I have so

16:15

much to say about that because I love

16:17

that you're an open book. I think as

16:20

much as, you know, people will shit on

16:22

you for talking about plastic surgery, people are

16:24

also, it's very refreshing when people are just

16:26

open and honest about Because everyone does it.

16:28

And I hate when people gatekeep because I'm

16:30

like, that's worse. That's

16:32

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19:00

my front You

19:18

did say that you're the only one

19:20

on the show who openly identifies an

19:23

ex -mormon. Yeah. So when did you

19:25

become an ex -mormon? Oh gosh, so I

19:27

grew up in the church. My dad

19:29

wasn't active, my mom was, so I

19:31

always say I was like a mutt,

19:33

like I'm half in, half out. But

19:35

I got married in the temple, the

19:38

first marriage, and that's like the Mormon...

19:40

And he was Mormon? Uh -huh. His

19:42

family was super Mormon. When you get

19:44

married in the temple, you're sealed for

19:46

like time and all eternity. You

19:48

have to get a temple like cancellation to your

19:50

ceiling if you get divorced, like it's a big deal.

19:52

So I did that, but when I was in

19:55

my first marriage, we both kind of started falling away

19:57

from the church. And then when I met Jordan,

19:59

my current husband, he had family that was Mormon, so

20:01

did I, but we both like weren't really going. So

20:03

I was still kind of dabbling in it, but

20:05

I would say I like officially left probably like

20:08

three or four years ago. So it's been a

20:10

minute, but I was kind of living like half

20:12

it. out anyway. Yeah, because it was probably confusing

20:14

because you felt like you were supposed to be

20:16

living a certain way, but you being you wanting

20:18

to live an authentic true -to -yourself life, you're probably

20:20

like, what do I do? It's so hard. When

20:22

you grew up in a certain culture and it's

20:24

expected of you to do X, Y, and Z,

20:26

when you leave, you feel like you're a bad

20:29

person when you're just being normal. Like, oh, I

20:31

just want to have a glass of wine at

20:33

dinner and that's like... like you're

20:35

bad. And why is that? Because it's temptations

20:37

or what? Yeah, like anything that's bad

20:39

for your body that can put you in

20:41

bad situations, like no sex before marriage,

20:43

no alcohol, no drugs, no tattoos, even, like

20:45

it's crazy. Wow. They've kind of loosened

20:47

up on the tattoo thing, I think they're

20:49

Who says these rules? The prophet. Oh,

20:51

okay. He gets like revelation from Jesus. Oh,

20:53

yeah. So the prophet is who? Oh

20:56

my God, that's so bad, I don't even know who

20:58

the current prophet is. Is it Dallin H. Oaks? I

21:00

could be totally wrong about that. I think that's an

21:02

apostle. It's an old man, a

21:04

white old man. So it is a

21:06

specific person. It's not like the God that

21:08

we don't see. No, it's like a

21:10

prophet who was ordained. He's a person and

21:12

he makes the rules and whatever. But

21:14

the rules have been around forever. Mormons

21:16

have had these rules forever. So that's why

21:18

now... I feel like it needs to change with

21:20

the time. Well, because doesn't it cause people

21:22

to want to rebel even more? Yes, that's what

21:24

happens. You see on the show like

21:27

Zach and Jen go through a little thing

21:29

and they're the most Mormon, most devout. Yeah. And

21:31

it's because I think they're so like tightly

21:33

wound and so strict in their religion that like

21:35

her going to a Chip and Dale show

21:37

was like the end of the world and like

21:39

we have to get divorced. Oh my gosh.

21:41

So that just shows a little bit of the

21:43

Mormon culture that like you can't veer outside

21:45

of like. the lane because if you do, you're

21:47

so criticized. Oh gosh, do you think there's

21:49

anyone on the show that wants to be an

21:51

ex -Mormon that pretends that they're not? Ooh, that's

21:53

a good question. I would say Taylor only

21:55

because she has the sketchiest past. She's done things

21:58

that wouldn't be Mormon -like, but she's very open

22:00

that she believes and she'll go because it

22:02

makes her feel better, but she doesn't really live

22:04

perfectly. So I wouldn't say I think she

22:06

wants to be one, but she would probably be

22:08

the one I would guess is the most

22:10

me. That makes sense. That makes sense. How do

22:12

you think that shaped being like you're having

22:14

your experience on and off camera to be an

22:16

ex -Mormon part of the Mormon wives? Um, it

22:19

was interesting. I loved it because I feel

22:21

like a show needs to have all different dynamics

22:23

within a religion or else it can feel

22:25

like we're trying to convert everyone. Like, you know,

22:27

I'm an ex -Mormon and we have some people

22:29

who like weren't really active their whole lives

22:31

and then became active. Some that were from birth,

22:33

Macy's from California and we always say like

22:35

California Mormons are so much chiller than Utah Mormons.

22:38

So I loved that I could represent. someone

22:40

who grew up in the church, got married in

22:42

the temple, my whole life and culture was

22:44

in the church, and then I chose to leave.

22:46

And I think a lot of people will

22:48

resonate with that, even with other religions. Do

22:51

people ever tell you you sound like Gabby Wendy?

22:53

No, but that's a compliment. Well, she's you sound

22:55

like a toned down version like the same tone

22:57

of voice as her. Yes, I could see that.

22:59

Yeah, you have like the same tone of voice.

23:01

I just like close my eyes and was like,

23:03

yeah, I talk so fast and

23:05

she's like really good at being like slow. So

23:07

hopefully that means I can get there because I

23:09

know I'm like, oh, I talk so fast as

23:11

well. OK, good. Do you think on camera like

23:14

it's hard to open up about your first marriage

23:16

and divorce and being an ex Mormon when you're

23:18

in this Mormon community, were you scared of the

23:20

judgment from that? Yeah, because. is even getting divorced

23:22

in the church is like frowned upon. Totally. Yeah.

23:24

So yes, like opening up about that and also

23:26

knowing like my ex -husband could see that and

23:28

like his family and would they be upset about

23:30

what I share? But no, like I've always been

23:32

an open book. So even when I go through

23:34

hard things and trials, I share it all. My

23:37

life can be messy. And so I'm like, you know

23:39

what? Someone can learn from this. Someone can relate. So

23:41

I know I'll get hate or criticism or maybe backlash from

23:43

the people in the church, but like I just have to

23:45

be me. Like I don't know how not to share. It's

23:48

a great quality. Yeah. But it's

23:50

hard. It's hard, which you

23:52

would think it would be easy, but

23:54

it's actually so hard to be, because

23:56

you know you're going to ruffle feathers

23:58

and knowing that your intention versus your

24:00

impact, like it might really hurt somebody's

24:02

feelings or make them judge you, but

24:04

your intention is to just be who

24:06

you are and live a life that's

24:08

true to you that makes you happy.

24:11

And you know you are helping other

24:13

people too. I think if I could

24:15

just, if I could just live

24:17

my life on camera, share the good and the bad and then

24:19

not have social media, 20 years

24:21

ago when people did reality TV, it

24:23

was probably so much easier because you don't

24:25

hear the noise. But that's harder now.

24:27

But then it's on, then the gossip magazines

24:29

are ruthless on that. I feel like

24:31

the tabloids have lightened up a bit with

24:34

like body shaming and, which is so

24:36

much worse, but I didn't experience that back

24:38

then. But what is your. X and

24:40

family say about you doing the show and

24:42

it being? I don't talk to my

24:44

ex anymore. So like I don't know what his

24:46

opinion is. I'm sure he's seen that I'm doing it.

24:48

Yeah, my family has always been so supportive. So

24:50

my dad's my business partner. My mom and sisters work

24:52

for me full time. So we're together 24 seven.

24:54

So they're fully supportive. they knew and they were like,

24:56

you were made for reality TV. We would always

24:58

joke. I would get a show one day. So they're

25:00

like, not surprised. Like they're like, of course. So

25:02

that's how my family was. Really? Of course you went

25:05

on The Bachelor. Yeah, like it's so expected. It

25:07

is true when you like see something in someone. that

25:09

you're like, you're good TV. Totally.

25:11

Some people just have it. Yeah. Yeah.

25:13

That's interesting. So you don't talk to

25:15

your ex, but you share kids? No. Yeah.

25:17

Luckily. Yeah. No. So I don't even have

25:19

kids with him. Oh, you don't. Luckily. Yeah.

25:22

I got divorced and then I married like

25:24

Jordan immediately and had kids. So does he

25:26

have kids from the past? Yes. You guys

25:28

have a blended family. Yes. So he has

25:30

a daughter who's almost 13. Okay. He got

25:32

his girlfriend pregnant in high school. So

25:34

like 17 years old had her and he's

25:36

not Mormon, obviously. No. I mean, his family is

25:38

he went. to church growing up, he's kind

25:41

of fallen away. And in the Mormon religion,

25:43

boys go on a mission at like 18, 19 years

25:45

old and he couldn't cause he had a kid. So he

25:47

kind of felt exiled. But yeah, he

25:49

has a daughter and then we had two

25:51

kids together. Okay. And then has being on

25:53

reality TV changed your parenting style at all?

25:55

Oh, that's a good question. No, I don't

25:57

think so. Yeah. I mean, my kids weren't

25:59

really on the first season. I think as

26:01

the seasons go on and maybe like, I

26:03

filmed with them in the second season, so

26:05

maybe they'll be on, I don't know. But

26:07

maybe as people start to recognize them, I

26:10

do worry about school. If people know

26:12

where they go to school and stuff, the older they get, I

26:14

don't know. That scares the shit out of me

26:16

for my unborn children. Yes. Does that scare you?

26:18

Yes. Yeah, being so known. Yeah, because Kristen Cavallari

26:20

is one of my best friends in Nashville, and

26:22

she protected her kids at all costs. She would

26:24

not put their face on social media until they

26:26

were old enough to be like, okay, and now

26:29

they're all on social media, and she's finally sharing

26:31

them. Oh, she is? As of like... a week

26:33

ago, because they have been old enough now to

26:35

be, but I see the other side of it

26:37

where you're like, this is my family and like,

26:40

you're proud of it. You're proud of it. But

26:42

when they're young, you don't think about it as

26:44

much, but when they start going to school and

26:46

having opinions of their own, you're like, oh, I

26:48

feel like I might just phase out of it

26:50

the older they get. Well, and that's your call

26:52

and your decision. You're their mother, so you get

26:54

to that. But my daughter's already a ham. Really?

26:56

She gets Hannah Montana energy. She's going to want

26:58

to be in the spot I already obsessed. Well,

27:00

I mean, see, and that could be OK. because

27:02

whatever they want. You enjoy it. Yeah. Could

27:05

be genetic. How long are your days like

27:07

when you're filming? It could be from sun up

27:09

to sun down some days, or it could

27:11

be like, oh, you only have one scene today.

27:13

You really don't know until like the day

27:15

before, which is crazy. So for 10 weeks, you

27:17

kind of have to put your life on

27:19

hold. I actually don't mind that because I like,

27:21

I don't even know what time my flight

27:23

is tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, you didn't, you thought you

27:25

flew out today. I thought flew out today.

27:27

I like. being like a last minute. Yeah, like

27:29

I read my schedule the day of and

27:31

yeah. So are you a type B person? No,

27:33

I'm type A. Really? But I think

27:36

my business has made me that way. Yeah, that

27:38

makes sense. am organized, efficient on time. I always

27:40

say I'm like the mom of the group, like,

27:42

okay guys, let's get going. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that

27:44

makes sense. Yeah. I wish I had a little

27:46

more type A in me because I am chaotic.

27:48

But we need be people too, you know? Oh

27:50

yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, and then you

27:52

hire A people to help people. Yes,

27:54

exactly. And I have a lot of B employees.

27:57

Which is hard to manage it is yeah, but

28:00

as long as you know how to work with

28:02

someone and like work with their personality type

28:04

It's easier speaking of work Let's talk about plastic

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28:08

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28:10

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28:12

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28:14

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28:16

wait, really? I'm a generator. Is it out

28:18

yet? Mm -hmm. Okay, just came out. It just came

28:20

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28:23

my life's purpose is to learn how

28:25

to let go, which I can't. Yeah,

28:27

you're like, no, sorry, not gonna happen.

28:29

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28:31

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28:33

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28:35

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30:52

we're really vain. So it's perfection in

30:54

the home and the outer appearance. You have

30:57

to look perfect and put together. That

30:59

feels Southern, like a Southern belt too. is,

31:01

it is, yeah. Oh, but it is

31:03

crazy because I do feel like... I mean

31:05

this in a nice way. People from

31:07

Utah and Mormons are freaks of nature. They're

31:09

talented. They're beautiful. A lot

31:11

of people on reality come from it.

31:13

The dancing and a lot of entrepreneurs, Utah

31:16

breeds it. And that's another Mormon thing. We're

31:18

just focusing on crafts and gaining skills at such

31:20

a young age that you become really creative, which

31:22

is great. But I think it breeds that. I

31:25

mean, a lot of religions can feel a little

31:27

brainwashing. For sure. Yeah. So I guess it just

31:29

depends. It is a little culty. I'm not going

31:31

to lie. Well, yeah. It's

31:34

so interesting, because I grew up so

31:36

differently where my parents just allowed me to

31:38

be completely who I was. I love

31:40

that. Honestly, I love them so much for

31:42

religion? Were you religious? We went to

31:44

church on Sundays. Like Christian? Yes. I got

31:46

baptized, but I never got my first

31:48

communion. But I went to Catholic school growing

31:50

up. OK. But it was very just

31:52

like, I don't know if it was a

31:54

Canadian thing, but everyone just kind of

31:57

was who they were. I love that. And

31:59

celebrated them. Yeah, that's not Utah. I'm

32:01

sure there's people that weren't like that. But

32:03

for me growing up, I always felt

32:05

celebrated for just me being me. So then

32:07

when you started getting hate, you're like,

32:09

wait, what? I was so. Yes. You're like,

32:11

I'm amazing. I literally remember getting so

32:13

much hate after my season of Bachelorette and

32:15

I was so confused because I'm like,

32:17

but I'm just being myself. Yeah. The world

32:19

wasn't ready at that time. That's the

32:21

problem. my goodness. It was especially, I don't

32:23

think the world, the world is still

32:25

not ready for certain things. Like even talking

32:28

about plastic surgery is so interesting because

32:30

it feels taboo, but like it shouldn't. And

32:32

we all celebrated Lindsay Lohan's glow -up. But

32:34

then if other people do it, they're

32:36

like, shame on you. And I'm like, what?

32:39

It'll never make sense. I know, it sucks.

32:41

But I'm still gonna share it. But

32:43

I love that. What gives you the confidence

32:45

to share that? I think just knowing

32:47

that I am an open book and I

32:49

just love like... word vomiting and like

32:51

sharing my life. And again, that like someone

32:53

else may be interested in this and

32:55

I'm helping share it and show the process.

32:57

That's what I wanted. Like I got

32:59

a CO2 laser recently. I looked like a

33:01

raisin for like 10 days. But

33:03

I felt like I didn't have a ton

33:05

of like videos of it to reference. Like there

33:07

were a few creators who had made like

33:09

their like Recovery videos, but I was like I

33:11

want to share every single day. Yeah, the

33:13

process that break down So if someone gets it

33:15

they can reference my videos Yeah, and so

33:17

they can because I would like if I saw

33:19

somebody's bluff journey I would have followed actually

33:22

Shannon Ford I followed along a whole bleff journey

33:24

because I was like I want to know

33:26

what to expect Yes normal and like feel less

33:28

alone. Yes, and all that so yeah if

33:30

somebody was gonna like get a Well, what is

33:32

it? What is the worst surgery you've got?

33:34

And I mean pain wise. Pain wise? Yeah. Okay.

33:36

So the labiaplasty that I got on season

33:38

one. Yes. I can't wait to talk about this.

33:40

Yes. So, yeah, like cut my vagina open

33:42

for the cameras. They filmed the whole surgery. Like

33:44

for camera guy. The camera crew? Yes. They

33:46

were in the whole surgery. I after I was

33:48

like, I guess so sorry. Oh my God.

33:50

You've seen a lot of me. But that one,

33:53

I would say coming out of like anesthesia

33:55

was so painful because I didn't get my painkillers.

33:57

I thought I was going to get them

33:59

and like there was a mix up at the

34:01

pharmacy. So for like an hour or two,

34:03

I was painkiller free. I felt like there was

34:05

a blow torch up there. It was so

34:07

painful. Like my whole vagina just clenched for you.

34:09

Oh my God, how Like worse than childbirth,

34:11

like awful. Oh my God. So then I got

34:13

my painkillers and I was fine, but if

34:15

I tried to do that without painkillers, that would

34:17

have been the worst one by far. Oh,

34:19

so what did they do? They just like, like...

34:22

it open and put it back. They cut

34:24

the meat off. You know, you have little things

34:26

inside the flats. They just cut it off.

34:28

And then just make it look like a little

34:30

paper cut. Yeah, I'm like, I look like

34:32

my daughter. I'm like, brand new again. Oh my

34:34

gosh. That is so crazy. Yeah,

34:36

it's because Was it expensive? Yeah,

34:38

well, no, it was only, no, it wasn't. It

34:40

was like $6 ,000. Oh, Not too bad. No, it's

34:42

not bad. But after pregnancy, your lips just get

34:44

looser. Everything hangs. Yeah. You just look. weird and

34:47

so I'm like okay and like in yoga pants

34:49

I could tell so like it was really affecting

34:51

me like just day to day so it was

34:53

the best decision but that was definitely the most

34:55

painful and I was on painkillers for like a

34:57

week because I was like there's no way I

34:59

had to go to Vegas for the show three

35:01

days later so yeah it's like yeah it's so

35:03

sad good All the ginas should be celebrated. Thank

35:05

you. Yes. No matter what, if, you

35:07

know, they look like that in yoga pants, and if

35:09

you want to tighten it up. Yeah, exactly. Either way,

35:11

it's your preference, you know? But it was also to

35:13

the point where, like, I could feel it on my

35:15

thighs. wow. So I was like, I'm uncomfortable. My

35:19

damn children did this to me. Yes. And so

35:21

I was like, it's time. Oh my gosh. Wait, have

35:23

you got a tummy tuck? No. OK. I don't

35:25

know if I need one. Maybe you're

35:27

going to convince me. No. No, just kidding.

35:29

You're like, happy? No, I was thinking because

35:31

you're so tiny. No, I haven't. Luckily, I

35:33

feel like since I'm so small, I didn't

35:35

get stretched. Like I got stretched out, but

35:38

like it wasn't like. crazy, but Layla

35:40

on our cast just got one, cause she's

35:42

had two kids. And did she openly talk about

35:44

it? Yeah, yeah, she shared it online too.

35:46

So yeah, we're all just open books. Do people,

35:48

do you find that people tend more to

35:50

like thank you for sharing or they do? They

35:52

do, but like my CO2 laser video, it

35:54

got like 25 million views. So it started bringing

35:56

in the trolls. Like when a video goes

35:58

viral, it's all the hate. I can't

36:00

believe the hate when things go viral. It's insane.

36:02

Like it's not even worth it. I'm like, I'd

36:04

rather not have it go viral. I know. I

36:06

think about that all the time. I

36:08

just posted something that got like 12 comments and

36:10

I'm like, humbling, but also a lot of love in

36:12

there. Yeah. No, it's true. Like

36:14

my audience, it was great comments, but then

36:16

when it got viral, it was like, who

36:18

is this bitch? She like looks insane. And

36:20

so yeah, but I feel like overall my

36:22

audience that chooses to follow me, they're always

36:24

pretty supportive. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's nice. Yeah.

36:27

Do you find that your audience is mostly

36:29

Mormon people or no, no, no. It's

36:31

weird because before the show, my audience

36:33

was hairdressers. Like I care to like teaching

36:35

hair classes and now it's like, not

36:37

hairdressers anymore, but it's just the average person

36:39

watching the show. I would say there's

36:41

probably Mormons in there, but I feel like

36:43

it's a lot of people who are

36:45

either ex -Mormon, for me specifically, or different

36:47

religions. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. That makes

36:49

sense. It is crazy to have that

36:51

big of a platform and audience. And

36:53

overnight. And overnight. I think

36:55

on TikTok, I gained 700 ,000 in a

36:57

week. It was crazy. Whoa! Yeah,

36:59

I'm not expecting that at all. We

37:01

were like, what? What's happening? Oh

37:03

my gosh. Yeah. That is crazy. So

37:05

crazy. What is something that you

37:07

do for yourself if you need to

37:09

ground yourself or feel normal again?

37:11

I'm kind of a hippie. I do

37:13

energy healing. I have an energy

37:15

worker therapy, things like that. And so

37:18

I do sessions with her. She's

37:20

amazing. Once every two weeks, I'm

37:22

doing NLP right now with her. It's brain

37:24

trauma therapy. But she also channels, so it's

37:26

energy as well. And she has really helped

37:28

me navigate this world. And that's something I've

37:30

made sure to take time. to do because

37:32

it's helped me. Yeah, I'm all into that.

37:34

Are you okay? I sound like kind of

37:36

weird when I say I'm like, it sounds

37:38

like witchcraft, but it works. No, well, I

37:40

believe in witchcraft. Yeah, I'm just

37:42

I'm all about energy and good and everything

37:44

like that. Like I have this girl that

37:46

does energy work with me all the time

37:48

who we do it over zoom because she's

37:50

in Canada. Oh, I love that. And she

37:53

is she literally will take me from like

37:55

a crazy 10, like level 10 anxiety to

37:57

a one in like 30 minutes. Yeah. It's

37:59

so crazy. It can do wonders. Cause your

38:01

energy is what creates anxiety and depression and

38:03

like all those thoughts. Yes. It's crazy. I

38:05

love that you believe in that too. I'm

38:07

like, I sound weird, but no, no, no,

38:09

no. I actually love it and believe in

38:11

it so much. And sometimes I do get

38:13

some people in the dams that'll be like,

38:15

um, it's not the moon, honey. It's Jesus

38:18

working his, and I'm like, it's whatever you

38:20

want to believe. Exactly. why there are different

38:22

religions. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know.

38:24

That was actually no, that's the crazy thing.

38:26

us, no. Yeah. And like whatever brings you

38:28

joy, like if me praying to a moon

38:30

bothers you. I'm worried about you.

38:32

Yeah, you've got bigger problems. I'm worried about

38:34

you. Same. Well, that's the problem

38:36

I have with Mormon religion is they're always like,

38:38

we're the one true religion. And they kind of

38:40

bring you into thinking we are the only true

38:42

church. And then you get away from it, and

38:45

you're like, oh, that's kind of damaging to say,

38:47

because we actually don't know. Are there any other

38:49

shows out there that expose the Mormon life? That's

38:51

a good question. Or documentaries or something? I think

38:53

there's a few documentaries that have gone into it,

38:55

but I don't know if there's any other reality

38:57

shows. Definitely no reality shows. Yeah, we're the first

38:59

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find a place. I'm

41:44

like, I'm so happy with where everything's

41:46

at right now. you look great. Thanks to

41:48

you. Thank you. All the surgeries did

41:50

as well. Yeah, we're happy

41:52

about that. Yeah, and you don't have matters. Yeah,

41:55

you don't have to be. We are. Is there

41:57

any like next thing, like next plastic surgery that

41:59

you want? Ooh, good question. You

42:01

know what's so funny? So I've gotten my boobs

42:03

done like three times. What? Yeah, because I got

42:05

a reduction when I was 18, because my boobs

42:07

were like 32 triple these and I'm five too.

42:09

gosh, yeah. So naturally I had big ones, so

42:11

I got a reduction, but then after kids they

42:13

like deflated, so I got implants. But my implants

42:15

were way too big. I got 440cc. So I

42:17

basically backed what I had. So

42:19

dumb. So then after that, I got smaller ones.

42:21

And I did that the same time as my

42:23

labiaplasty. So those are good. But

42:25

so I feel like, but I just found out one

42:28

of my implants is out of the pocket. I think

42:30

it slid out. And so I think I need to

42:32

get that fixed. So I think that's my next one,

42:34

but that's not my choice. How does that happen? I

42:36

don't know. But he's like, you need to come in.

42:38

I thought it ruptured because it's kind of moved. So

42:40

I need to figure that out, but yeah. Is that

42:42

from not proper? after care or it just happens. I

42:44

think it, you know what? It could be my fault.

42:46

Like maybe I was like laying on him weird cause

42:48

I sleep on my stomach. Oh. So I feel like

42:50

that was probably what it was. Probably my fault, honestly.

42:52

This is my glam from last night. What?

42:54

I swear to you on everything. How? I

42:56

sleep like this. No. Yeah. And you stay?

42:58

I don't move. I don't like maybe once

43:00

I have a really bad lower back and

43:03

once in a while I'll like kind of

43:05

turn I'll turn my body a little bit

43:07

in my sleep to like curl it almost

43:09

like round my back out, but others I

43:11

honestly last night I went I

43:13

don't do that very often because I'm such a freak

43:15

about my skincare routine. And last night,

43:17

I was like, you know what? I wonder if

43:19

I can save this for my day tomorrow and have

43:21

a little sleep in. Oh my gosh. I woke

43:23

up and I looked in the mirror. I was like,

43:25

my lip liner is even still good. That's insane.

43:27

Good makeup artist. Oh, Emma Willis is

43:29

the best of the best. I love her. I

43:31

follow her. Oh, yes, she is just. A

43:34

gem, and she's just so good. Yeah, she's -

43:36

That's how you know that's good from the pudding.

43:38

Yes. That's insane. Did you have to touch

43:40

up at all? All I did was put some

43:42

powder under my eyes. And lip gloss. So

43:44

this is your makeup from the event last night?

43:46

Yes. Oh my gosh, I should have done

43:48

that, dang. Well, not if you sleep on your

43:50

stomach. No, I would have been all over

43:52

my pillows. I'm a mess. Yeah. Oh no, I

43:54

just, I don't move. I don't move. What

43:56

do you think something is about plastic surgery that

43:58

women don't know that they're judging about? I

44:00

think that the most, like - comment I get

44:02

is that like you must really hate yourself. Like

44:04

you must like not love yourself. I feel

44:06

sad for you. And I'm like, I can have

44:08

insecurities and still like be confident and still

44:10

love myself. But I think people are like, this

44:12

is just really sad. And I'm like, no,

44:14

it's actually not. Yeah, plastic surgery is

44:16

like a billion dollar business. Like there is a

44:18

reason for it. And if it makes you feel

44:20

better, great. And I'm way more confident with the

44:22

things I've done. Well, and as if you would

44:24

judge somebody Imagine going on their

44:27

page and being like, whoa, you should get a

44:29

nose job. You wouldn't do that because that's mean, but

44:31

then they're doing that being like, it's sad. And

44:33

like probably the same people who said that to me

44:35

that then criticized me for getting it, you know?

44:37

It's so contradicting. It's sad. Yeah, it's really sad. It

44:39

really is messed up. I just think do what

44:41

makes you feel better. Yeah. Obviously, don't go overboard. We

44:43

could all get there. But like, just if it

44:45

makes you happy, go ahead. Like, why not? I'm more

44:47

confident. I don't get it. I'm right there with

44:50

you. Yeah. Last night, Hulu event, what was your favorite

44:52

part? Oh my God, meeting. Chloe Kardashian and Scott

44:54

Disick. Did you meet them? I like, cause they talked

44:56

about your show. I know he was like the

44:58

Mormon wives and I was like, what? But our producers

45:00

did their show on E. So like we've always

45:02

had like a tie to them. So like they introduced

45:04

us and stuff. But I was walking by them

45:06

and I was just like, Hey, I heard you love

45:08

our show. And we like took a selfie. And

45:10

then later on we also like filmed with them a

45:13

little bit. So was great. That's so,

45:15

I wanted to go up and say

45:17

something so bad because I know they've

45:19

watched the bachelor franchise. Like I know

45:21

who you are. Everyone at the event,

45:23

they knew. And I want, But I

45:25

can't do it. It's scary. It's so

45:27

scary because I'm like I've been the

45:29

only I got really bummed once because

45:31

I try to not be like, can

45:33

I take a photo with you? Yeah,

45:35

if the moment feels right. Yeah, but

45:37

anyways, I am obsessed with Paul Rudd.

45:39

Oh, yes, I love him. And he

45:41

walked into the breakfast buffet at my

45:43

hotel once when I was at Super

45:45

Bowl and I know and I was

45:47

like, oh God, did you? Yeah, I

45:49

had to. I was like, this is

45:51

the one guy I would I would

45:53

go up and take a picture with.

45:55

And he was like, I get it.

45:57

I made it so weird. I

45:59

literally told him he's my hall

46:01

pass. So I made

46:03

it weird, and he was literally had on

46:06

just trying to get some breakfast. So I

46:08

do get it. sometimes it opens up more

46:10

people recognizing him, so it's probably like, oh,

46:12

shit. Totally. And it's hard when you meet

46:14

your heroes, and it's not what you want.

46:16

Well, because I just wanted, he

46:18

just was like this. So

46:21

he didn't even talk? No, I

46:23

just said a bunch of embarrassing shit and

46:25

he literally just smiled and nodded. At least you

46:27

were true to yourself. That would have been

46:29

so not Caitlyn if you were just like, hey.

46:31

Yeah, like yeah, I just I geeked out.

46:34

I totally geeked out and he was gracious enough

46:36

to take a photo with me. you got

46:38

the photo. Yeah, he didn't say no, which was

46:40

nice. Yeah, get that to like Hot

46:42

Imposter Syndrome where like I'm at this event with these

46:44

people. I'm on TV too, but like I feel weird.

46:46

I know. Like, do you know who Jake Shane is?

46:48

Yes. Okay, I saw him at the airport. person, whatever,

46:50

yes. Yes, he's the only person I've ever been like,

46:52

starstruck. I've had so many celebrities and he was the

46:54

one where I was like, I can't, I can't, like,

46:56

I can't talk to him. I don't know why, but

46:58

I was just like, I love him. Yeah. And so

47:00

like, I didn't go up to him, but he was

47:03

on my flight like two feet away from me the

47:05

whole time. Oh my God. And I regret it to

47:07

this day. So when I saw Chloe and Scott before

47:09

I actually like was formally introduced, I was like, I'm

47:11

going to regret it if I don't do this. Yeah,

47:13

I regret not talking to Chloe because I love her

47:15

so much. Oh, I feel like you and Chloe are

47:17

like the same vibe. Well, she is also very just

47:19

true to herself and in a world of that level

47:21

of fame. To still be genuine is crazy. That's

47:24

impressive. Her whole family is, but she's just

47:26

specifically as like - She always has been a

47:28

little more, you know? Her calling out Scott, like

47:30

Scott didn't want to be there. She's like,

47:32

he's a little out of it. I

47:34

was like, what is that guy on? But it was

47:36

their dynamic that you see on the show. So it

47:38

was like, that's real. It was perfect, but I was

47:41

like, I was uncomfortable. Exactly. But like

47:43

they were, it was so them, but I was

47:45

like, oh my God, Scott, like he was just

47:47

fighting like siblings. Yeah, he was a little out

47:49

of it. And he was really like playing into

47:51

the, like he's obsessed with her role. Yes. Which

47:53

like is a stick and it works. Yeah. Yeah,

47:55

it was actually so funny with that. I had

47:57

so much. When did you leave? I stayed till

47:59

like 7 30, maybe but we have three pregnant

48:01

girls on our cast and they were like in

48:03

the car like let's go Oh, like I was

48:05

still kind of mingling and like I was in

48:07

the Kardashian gifting suite and they were like let's

48:09

go so was like, okay I didn't even go

48:11

into the Kardashian gifting suite. Did you get the

48:13

bag? No, it was amazing. I wonder if they

48:15

could get one for me. It was beautiful. They

48:17

probably could. There was like Tila and there was

48:19

all of their yeah, probably. Oh, that's cool. was

48:21

amazing. Like you got all of their products. It

48:23

was great. Oh, yeah. Honestly, I was outside working

48:25

on my golf swing with Alfonso the whole. People,

48:27

that's amazing. It was hilarious. And I was, he

48:29

felt so, he came up to me, he's like,

48:31

go stand by a heater. I was like, it

48:34

was so cold. It was so cold. That's why

48:36

we went in because it was like freezing out

48:38

there. Eventually I made it inside. And then at

48:40

that point I was like five glasses of wine

48:42

in and I was like, I need to go.

48:44

You're like, where am I? What? the

48:46

lights came on. Oh, they're like, get out. Yeah, they were

48:48

like, guys, we got to wrap it up. I was like, I'm

48:50

having so much fun. You're like, I'm gonna stay forever. It

48:52

was a fun event. It was at the beginning. I was like,

48:55

as always, events are it starts off slow

48:57

and a little awkward and then people get

48:59

comfortable. And then it just it got so

49:01

I had so much fun. It was the

49:03

best. It was a good group of people,

49:05

too. It was a really good group of

49:07

people has the best people. Yeah, I was

49:09

actually surprised at how many like there's not

49:11

really anyone in the bachelor world I don't

49:13

get along with. Yeah, I would assume the

49:16

people that were there. I'm like, I love

49:18

you guys. Yeah. You probably know everyone right

49:20

like pretty much. I didn't watch surprisingly I

49:22

did not watch Joey season what and that

49:24

was the most iconic one recently I know

49:26

I watched like the first five episodes Okay,

49:28

and I kept meaning to go back and

49:30

watch and then I like feel like I

49:32

became friends with Joey and then I just

49:34

didn't Like what's the point like yeah, and

49:36

then I just and I just adore them

49:38

him and Kelsey like I love Kelsey Honestly

49:40

another just open book funny. Oh, yeah. I

49:42

sat across her at a dinner party like

49:44

a month ago Yeah, and she was just

49:46

so real so at the lot nurse. Yeah.

49:48

Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. It was amazing

49:50

to meet her She was just great. She's

49:53

she's one of the coolest. Yeah. Yeah, she's

49:55

just such a genuine funny quirky. Yeah, I

49:57

love them together. Yeah, I do too I

49:59

want to talk a little bit about behind

50:01

the show like real -life dynamics. What is something

50:03

about filming the show? that would surprise people

50:05

like anything that like um behind the scenes

50:07

that filming people would be like holy shit

50:09

that happened oh like like a real story

50:11

or yeah okay let me try to think

50:13

I don't know anything that people yeah it

50:15

would be different from what aired where you're

50:17

like oh yeah um I would say just

50:19

how much gets cut out Especially

50:21

when you have a show that has eight

50:24

episodes, we film constantly, but they can't put

50:26

everything in. So I was surprised because I

50:28

hosted this huge party for my business, and

50:30

I got wasted and fell on my ass

50:32

on stage. And I'm like, that was great

50:34

reality television. I didn't make it. Yeah. So

50:36

it's so funny. Things like that that I

50:38

thought would be funny or good for reality

50:40

TV. Don't make it. I think that's something

50:42

you wouldn't expect is even a moment like

50:44

that, which you're like, this is gold. Totally.

50:46

Like, nope, it's cut. Who do you think

50:48

has the strongest personality in the group? Because

50:50

there's a lot of strong a lot strong

50:52

ones, probably to me. Whose side are you

50:54

on regarding the swinging scandal? Oh, I'm always

50:56

team Taylor. She's been one of my

50:58

good friends for a long time. And she's an

51:00

open book. She hasn't lied about anything in the beginning.

51:03

What is the vibe like? Like last night at

51:05

Hulu, you all have to be up there

51:07

on stage and doing these things. What is the

51:09

vibe like at promo events and stuff like

51:11

that? I would say it's usually like high energy.

51:13

It's fun to be at these things and

51:15

we're talking about the show and everyone's excited. So

51:17

I would say we usually try... the drama

51:19

to the side and enjoy it. Especially at an

51:21

event like last night, no one's gonna throw

51:23

a drink or fight. This is

51:25

a professional event. Could you imagine? They're

51:27

like, get these crazy Mormons out of

51:30

here. That would be wild if that actually

51:32

happened. You never know. Well, I

51:34

feel like people... It's kind of the same

51:36

thing as seeing Paul Rudd. Like I expect him

51:38

to be like this hilarious, like a character

51:40

from the show. Yes. So I feel like people,

51:42

when they see you, like so many people

51:44

asked me last night, oh, you were in the,

51:46

were the Mormon wives like all like, yeah,

51:48

they were wondering like what the dynamic was and

51:50

like Gleb in the same room as Brooke. Yes.

51:53

I forgot about that. Yeah. Like when she

51:55

went up to announce the show, I'm like looking

51:57

like I went to the bathroom. Because

52:00

everything was recent. I was wondering that too,

52:02

but nothing really happened. I'm very curious about

52:04

what Cause I've heard it's not true that

52:06

he did not cheat on her. I have

52:08

too. But then like there's other narratives that

52:10

are happening. I'm like, I need, then I'm

52:12

going to need some receipts. Or

52:14

maybe her reality show that she announced. knows.

52:16

But then I'm like, is she just doing that

52:18

for the buzz for the reality show? Okay,

52:20

I will say. Cause I don't ever want to

52:22

gaslight a woman. I'm gonna be like, no,

52:24

he didn't. But you never know. But you never

52:26

know. I will say so many people accuse

52:28

us of that. Like you're just doing this for

52:30

the show. Literally for us. No, I hate

52:32

to accuse her of that totally, but also it

52:34

is good marketing. So who knows well, I'm

52:37

Either way, I'm like, I see everybody's point here.

52:39

No, I'm the same way. I'm always like,

52:41

I see both. I just want to know the

52:43

truth. Yes. That's all we care about. That's

52:45

my main thing. Yes. So we had Whitney on

52:47

the show a couple months ago, and we've

52:49

seen her and Demi budding up. Yeah. Are you

52:51

still cool with Demi then? You'll have to

52:53

see season two and find out. Oh my god,

52:55

because I feel like something probably shifts. Yeah.

52:57

I think that it's so natural in reality TV

52:59

to see friendships come and go because you're

53:01

in such a weird environment. So I think you're

53:03

going to see a lot of that season

53:05

two. So every podcast that I do, I have

53:07

somebody share a confession with me, something embarrassing.

53:09

I'm going to share one with you because last

53:11

night, I don't know what happened, but I

53:13

immediately had to run to the bathroom. Okay. At

53:15

the event. Yeah. Okay. I was like, oh,

53:18

oh God. And I was with my girlfriend and

53:20

she was like, what? I'm like, I'm going

53:22

to. throw up out of that end and I

53:24

gotta go to the bathroom now. And

53:26

I had to like, model. And the wine

53:28

shits are the worst. Were you drunk already?

53:30

Yes. Or did you have wine? Yes. And

53:32

I run to the bathroom. And there were

53:34

like no bathrooms in that house. No, there

53:36

were like single bathrooms spread out. was one

53:38

single bathroom. Yes. And I was behind the

53:40

door, crouched down like. like squeezing me like,

53:42

don't, Katelyn, don't, not here, not here. The

53:44

cramping, oh. The cramping was cramping. And

53:47

so then the girl comes out and I go in the bathroom and

53:49

I, everything happened that needed to happen.

53:51

Were you okay after? Totally fine. Oh my

53:53

God, we're fine. Oh, I felt like a new

53:55

person. I was like, okay, I'm, she's back,

53:57

she's back. Oh my gosh. But when I came

53:59

out of the bathroom, a girl was like,

54:01

Katelyn, you're such a big fan. And

54:03

it's one bathroom and I looked at her and

54:05

I went. Look, you do not want to go

54:07

in there. Yeah, I want to stay a fan.

54:09

Yeah, I went I just blew that up I

54:11

had to be yeah, she would have known and

54:13

and she was like This is why I love

54:15

you. You're just so honest. And I was like,

54:17

I could have easily blamed that on someone else.

54:19

And she goes, oh, hold my breath. And I

54:21

went, no, no, you cannot go in there. And

54:23

my girlfriend Bailey went and sprayed it with perfume.

54:25

And we gave it a couple of seconds. And

54:27

then she went in and she's like, it's fine.

54:29

like, wait, I love that. The fact that you're

54:31

so open about that is incredible. That is amazing.

54:33

What else can you do? I walked out and

54:36

she was, no matter who she was, if she

54:38

was a fan or didn't know who I was

54:40

at all, I was going to tell that person.

54:42

For sure. Like, be careful. I hope

54:44

I get a DM from her being like. Especially

54:46

after they was like, that was me. Oh,

54:48

I love that so much. And I was

54:50

like, I'm so sorry. So

54:52

now it's your turn. Mine's poop related as well. So

54:54

I'll be on the same page. So last season,

54:56

season one when we were filming, we were supposed to

54:58

go get pedicures. And on the way I'm driving,

55:00

I shit my pants, not even getting all through my

55:02

jeans. I got the flu and I didn't know.

55:04

I had like felt weird, but it came out that

55:06

end. And so I texted my producers and I

55:08

was like, my car got a flat tire and I

55:10

can't make it. And they were like, okay. And

55:12

then like later on, I confessed. I'm like, no, I

55:14

shit. I had to pull over to a gas

55:16

station, find a sweatshirt in my car to wrap around,

55:18

and I couldn't put my pants back on. So

55:20

I had to just have the sweatshirt and run back

55:22

out to my car. It was a nightmare. OK,

55:24

then I'm sharing one more thing. OK, good. Because

55:27

that just I need to find

55:29

this video. Oh, no, it's a

55:31

video. Well, the video is look at my

55:33

shit. The video is of me coming

55:35

out of my car and waddling to my

55:37

house. No, because this last night this

55:40

is actually so I'll have to bring my

55:42

best friend Kat on to tell the

55:44

full story of why I got sick to

55:46

my stomach. My girlfriend called it the

55:48

short walk of shame. Oh my gosh, that's

55:50

amazing. was

55:56

like, ah! That was me out of the gas

55:58

station, so there. But I had never shit my

56:00

pants. No, I know, same. Like, it just happened.

56:02

I've always - Were you driving when it happened?

56:04

I was getting into my car after lunch, and

56:06

she had told me something that made me sick

56:09

to my stomach. Okay. And my body was was

56:11

anxiety. It like, yes. It was anxiety. Yeah. And

56:13

I got in, and that happened, and I went,

56:15

Kat, I blame you for this. And I was

56:17

just mortified. Luckily, I didn't have anywhere to be,

56:19

and it wasn't in a public situation. But

56:22

oh gosh. But could you imagine if it was? Also,

56:24

like my poor G -wagon. Yeah, no. That's what I

56:26

was thinking about, actually. Are your seats OK? What color

56:28

is your leather? It happened all my way into the

56:30

car, so I sat on that sweater. Oh, OK, good.

56:32

And then did the shirt walk fame. Did it go

56:34

through the jeans? Oh, yeah. Yeah, way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

56:36

was bad. It was really bad. Anyone else? sisters. Anyone

56:38

else want to share with the class there? Story

56:40

is like, come on. We need it. No,

56:42

this is her. But we're both open. So

56:44

this is like works. Well, and my favorite

56:47

is after all the confessions like people always

56:49

online are like me too. No way. Okay,

56:51

so opens up a community. It's fine. So

56:53

yeah, it really does. It's T's and P's

56:55

thoughts and pairs to this Shitting Your Pants

56:57

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56:59

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57:01

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