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to do a little programming note

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before we get in the show

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here. Again, it is March. It

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is the best time of the

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year. We got selection. We got

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selection. We got selection Sunday coming

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up. We got selection Sunday coming

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up. So I'm going to the

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best time of the year. We

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got selection Sunday coming up. So

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I'm going to give you. the

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show to explain why Cooper Flag

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reminds himself. of himself, which will

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be fun. And I think he's

2:38

saying that earnestly, and he's not

2:40

trying to pat himself on the

2:42

back. So I'm excited to hear

2:44

that conversation. Sunday, we're going to

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do a selection Sunday reaction show,

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myself, Jay Kowman, and Stephen Ruiz.

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We'll be doing that together on

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Monday. We'll be doing that together

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on Monday. We're going to do

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like a bracket deep dive about

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matchups and sort of, you know,

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what to look forward to, what

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to watch out, Those are going

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every day of games Thursday, Friday,

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Saturday, Sunday, and then we'll be

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back on Tuesday, following Tuesday, every

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single week. So it's going to

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be a fun month. We're going

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to be reacting to everything that's

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happening every single week. So it's

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going to be a fun month.

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We're going to be reacting to

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everything that's happening in the tournament.

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We're going to be reacting to

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everything that's happening. We're going to

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help. insurance though. Listen up for

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everything you need to know but

3:43

first. What do you do? you've

3:45

heard from us, it was Friday,

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there was hope, there was optimism,

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I was flying back to the

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North Carolina Duke game, I was

3:53

talking myself into maybe some magic

3:56

happening, and it was gone. We'll

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talk about that a little bit

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later in the show, but first

4:02

and foremost, let's talk about tournament

4:04

tickets that have been punched. Let's

4:06

talk about tournament tickets that have

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been punched. Now, this is the

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kind of the start of this,

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I mean, this is the verbiage

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that we've always used, right. automatically

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qualified to be in the 2025

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NCAA basketball tournament, something that we're

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very excited about. Selection Sunday is

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five and a half, six days

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away, depending on when you're listening

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to this, which is insane. Very

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excited. We got a lot of

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stuff. We got a lot of

4:35

this, which is insane. Very excited.

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We got a lot of stuff

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coming up on one-shotting podcast while

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we talk about all these things.

4:43

but nothing is official until it's

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official, but these are official because

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these teams have won their conference

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tournaments. So I'm gonna say that

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they've added their tournament tickets to

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their Apple wallet, you know what

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I mean? They have not punched

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the tickets, they will scan these

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tickets once they get to the

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NCAA tournament in a little over

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a week. Let's start with SIU

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Edwards field that is the OVC

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team that has won the Ohio

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Valley Conference and has secured a

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bid to March Madness. The Cougars

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have never made the NCAA tournament

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at the D1 level. It's official

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now, OVC player the year, Ray

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Sean Taylor was the real story.

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And the head coach Brian Barone,

5:27

he had put a pair of

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scissors in a like breaking case

5:31

of emergency glass. He had had

5:33

the scissors in there for about

5:35

six years. So six years they

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have been waiting for this moment

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and right after they got the

5:42

win over CMO Southeast Missouri. They

5:44

have the interview with Barone. Barone

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brings out the scissors. He breaks

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out the scissors. He breaks out.

5:50

He breaks out the glass. They

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cut down the net. in the

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NCAA tournament again for the first

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time in their. There's been a

5:59

lot of conversation about the bridge

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period, like the Tommy St. Thomas

6:03

had to wait. Omaha was already

6:06

like kind of granted in because

6:08

of the grace period, the four-year

6:10

grace period, but that's the conversation

6:12

for another time. Shout to Evansville,

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shout out to the OVC, they

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are going to be in the

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NCAA tournament. Speaking of Omaha, let's

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talk about the Summit League, the Mavericks

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for the Summit League tournament champions and...

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There is a lot of footage that

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is coming out after the game. If

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you did not see this, Omaha, they

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are known for tearing up and beating

6:34

up and messing up trash cans to

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celebrate. So shout out to all the

6:38

trash games that were harmed after this

6:40

game. You know, Adrian Dow to be

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its athletic director, he came in and

6:45

basically just changed this whole program. So

6:47

Omaha basketball is, you know, they reached

6:49

D1 back in 2016 and they have

6:51

been trying to make this journey. They

6:53

were picked eighth in the preseason poll.

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Crutfield, you know, said after the game,

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the rest is history now. So this

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is the team that nobody believed in

7:02

their best player transferred to Michigan State,

7:04

Frankie Fiddler. And this group, again, picked

7:06

eighth in the preseason poll when they

7:09

were able to fight and get a

7:11

win and get a win and get

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a win and get themselves into the

7:15

NCAA tournament. Great for the city of

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Omaha, you got Omaha and both those

7:19

teams will be playing in the NCAA

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tournaments. So shout out to Nebraska. Also,

7:24

the high. point of the season is

7:26

the regular season. They win the regular

7:28

season. Everybody's excited. They have more resources

7:31

than pretty much anybody in the Big

7:33

South every single season. They have won

7:35

the regular season six different times and

7:37

every time they got to the tournament,

7:39

the Big South tournament, they would end

7:42

up losing and not making the NCAA

7:44

tournament until this year. They were down

7:46

15 points in the championship game to

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Winthrop but they fought back in this

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one. They end up getting the win and

7:53

that is right high point. meme, Trey Binham

7:55

in this game, had one of the best

7:57

mean mug memes we've ever seen where he's

7:59

like rolling. and his shoulders over and

8:01

just given the ultimate stank face. So

8:03

shout out to traipin him for going

8:05

viral there. It looks like high point

8:07

will probably be a projected 13 seed.

8:10

So a lot of people buying into

8:12

the hype of this team, especially after

8:14

watching them come back again down 15.

8:16

It was like 48 33 with about

8:18

15 minutes ago in this game. Alan

8:20

Hus head coach. He's a star coach.

8:22

29 wins. That is the most in

8:25

program history. He is 56 and 14

8:27

overall. play stylistically of high point. I

8:29

love their secondary break. They do a

8:31

really good job with early read, pick

8:33

and roll options. So just, you know,

8:35

a really fun team to watch. I'm

8:37

very happy for high point. I was

8:40

worried about this team as I was

8:42

watching this game and they got down

8:44

big. And they have some experience as

8:46

well in the NCAA tournament. They have

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2022 national champion Bobby Pettiford. Shout out

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to Bobby P. He, you know, obviously

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was at Kansas in 2022. Transferred to

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ECU. Cog and the machine of high

8:57

point. And that's the team to watch

8:59

out for in a 13-4 game. Things

9:01

get a little wonky. This team is

9:03

a lot better than maybe, you know,

9:05

a four seed would assume they would

9:07

be and high point can maybe shock

9:10

the role and get a win in

9:12

the NCAA tournament. It doesn't hurt when

9:14

it doesn't hurt when you have a

9:16

guy who's one of the national championship

9:18

on your roster. and their opponents over

9:20

that stretch. They were an elite shooting

9:22

team. This is their second tournament appearance

9:25

in program history. first since 2018 and

9:27

you know they're projected to be a

9:29

13 seed and you know it's going

9:31

to be a conversation about some people

9:33

looking at this team as well as

9:35

a potential upset nod and Sal had

9:37

him had some money on lips gum

9:40

so he's very happy about the bison

9:42

winning the A Sun tournament it was

9:44

a little bit dicey but they got

9:46

it done shout out the D2 Drake

9:48

they are you know as far as

9:50

the mid major storylines it feels like

9:52

American knows about Drake at this point.

9:55

The three pet is complete, the Bulldogs

9:57

have done it in arch madness and

9:59

they do it obviously with a new

10:01

head coach, bid McCollum, bumps up from

10:03

Northwest Missouri, we know his story, dominated

10:05

in D-su, and now he's dominating in

10:07

D-3. The Bulldog mascot, Griff too. He

10:10

was wearing the tie like Ben McCollum.

10:12

I mean, they just had good vibes,

10:14

good energies. They had 30 wins this

10:16

season. That's most in the nation. And

10:18

of course, they just earned the automatic

10:20

bid. Some are saying this is the

10:23

most impressive regular season in Drake history.

10:25

Now, I don't want to do disservice

10:27

to Darian, De Derese. Now, I don't

10:29

want to do disservice to Darian DeVoe.

10:31

with 8.2 win shares. So as everybody's

10:33

trying to figure out Cooper flags, you

10:35

know, I broom, maybe Bennett Sterts could

10:38

be in that conversation, especially if you

10:40

look at Kim Palm too. I mean,

10:42

the guy, he's top five, Kim Palm

10:44

player of the year, and he also

10:46

I think is number three, Kim Palm

10:48

game MVPs on the season. So Bennett

10:50

Sterts named to know Drake, a really

10:53

good team, and shout out to Arch

10:55

Madness for making things happen. nine seed

10:57

eight seed I mean a Drake versus

10:59

a one seed in the second round

11:01

no one seed wants to see Drake

11:03

and Venice turrets in the second round

11:05

I can promise you that shout out

11:08

to Waufer these are the two games

11:10

that happened last night on Monday night

11:12

this is the Soakon championship an amazing

11:14

atmosphere in Nashville if you do not

11:16

watch the Soakon championship. If you do

11:18

not watch the Soakon championship if you

11:20

do not watch the Soakon championship some

11:23

people are saying this is the best

11:25

game of the season it was incredible.

11:27

It was fascinating. We had everything happen

11:29

in this game. And if you didn't,

11:31

you didn't watch it. You missed Kyler

11:33

Philowice, who was Woffords, Big Man. He

11:35

had Rick Barry come in and train

11:38

him out to shoot underhand free throws.

11:40

He shoots 31% from the free throw

11:42

line, but he has been improving over

11:44

the past 10 games or so doing

11:46

the Rick Barry. hand free throw shooting

11:48

which is just very like small time

11:50

college basketball it was beautiful stuff there.

11:53

Waufer returning to the NCAA tournament for

11:55

the first time since 2019 all five

11:57

starters were in double figures in the

11:59

so-con championship game so this is gonna

12:01

be a tough out for anybody so-con

12:03

championship game so this is gonna be

12:05

a tough out for anybody last time

12:08

they were in the tough out for

12:10

anybody last time they were in the

12:12

tournament they got their first win in

12:14

the NCAA tournament back then and they

12:16

got a nice whenever seen hall like

12:18

I said there are projected 15 and

12:20

it just feels like Wofford is like

12:23

the type of 15 seed that has

12:25

a lead early on a two seed

12:27

and everyone's like oh my god what's

12:29

happening Woffords up on Alabama and of

12:31

course they probably don't win the game

12:33

but it's still fun for the time

12:35

being last team that has punched their

12:38

ticket scanned their ticket added their ticket

12:40

to the Apple wallet whatever you want

12:42

to say Troy they win the Sun

12:44

Belt Troy wins three games and three

12:46

game three days all by double digits

12:48

to go to the program's third NCAA

12:50

tournament. It's their first since 2017. Scott

12:53

Cross, he has won 20 games each

12:55

of the last four seasons. And if

12:57

you don't know the name, you will

12:59

know it very soon. Tain Conaway is

13:01

terrific. He was the sum belt player

13:03

of the year. Again, Scott Cross gets

13:05

a one year contract extension for winning

13:08

this tournament and also $50,000 bonus. So

13:10

there you have it. Troy is in

13:12

the sum ballot is in Arkansas State.

13:14

That was the sexy pick. a very

13:16

fun team and a team that's very

13:18

excited about punching their ticket. We still

13:20

have a lot of conference tournaments left

13:23

coming up. The Big Boys. We had

13:25

the first wave last week in and

13:27

into the early odds this week. We

13:29

got some more championship games tonight, but

13:31

we got the Big Boys. We got

13:33

the Power Five Second Wave games coming

13:35

up, and I'm just looking at Fandoor

13:38

right now. I'm looking at our Friends

13:40

of Fandool sports book, and I'm looking

13:42

at the odds of these tournaments. I'm

13:44

looking at the AAC. I really think

13:46

Memphis if you get Memphis at plus

13:48

money in the AAC I almost feel

13:50

like Memphis is underrated this season so

13:53

if you're going to be locked in

13:55

on the AAC tournament American athletic conference

13:57

if you don't know what the AAC

13:59

is and you're not up to speed

14:01

Memphis at plus 105 to when that's

14:03

tournament. I feel like that's pretty much

14:05

a lock. to me. So I'm going

14:08

to go with the Tigers there at

14:10

plus 105. Looking at the ACC, Duke

14:12

is the heavy favorite minus 330. Obviously

14:14

Duke wins the regular season outright. They,

14:16

you know, win by 13, not even

14:18

playing their best game. Cooper Flags and

14:20

foul trouble at North Carolina, give a

14:23

great effort. But again, Duke just completely

14:25

outclass North Carolina in that game. They've

14:27

outclass the ACC throughout this entire season.

14:29

They're also crashing crashing. and 13, all

14:31

this sort of stuff. And Duke

14:33

did not have John Shire win

14:35

coach of the year. And Duke's

14:37

official account right now is crashing

14:39

out. I mean, they are just

14:41

posting like why John Shire should

14:43

have been the coach of the

14:46

year, how he's been aggrieved. I've

14:48

never seen an official account crash

14:50

out like this. So I just

14:52

want to say, Duke might have

14:54

their hair on fire and they

14:56

might just absolutely obliterate everybody, especially

14:58

if they play Louisville in this

15:00

tournament. I do feel like Duke's

15:02

going to win the ACC. If

15:04

you don't think Duke's going to

15:06

win, Clemson is a good bet

15:08

there at plus 650. They're a

15:10

really good team. So I wouldn't

15:13

go against Duke. Like I said,

15:15

they're crashing out right now. They're

15:17

very upset that Cooper flag did

15:19

not win. Defensive player of the

15:21

year. And that, Cooper flag did

15:23

not win. Defensive player of the

15:25

year. And that Pat Kelsey won

15:28

coach of the year. Big East

15:30

tournament obviously we're gonna be locked in on this

15:32

Kyle will be all the way locked in on

15:34

the favorite St. John's plus 140 I like the

15:36

Johnny's to win this tournament I think that Rick

15:38

Patino I have talked to some people you know

15:40

some coaches try to jockey for position for the

15:42

actual tournament right there like I don't want to

15:44

you know it kind of do too much in

15:46

the conference tournament and kind of like blow our

15:48

load and we get to the real tournament and

15:50

we lose in the second round right but Rick

15:52

Patino wants to prove to this group that they

15:54

can win a tournament he wants to prove to

15:56

this team that they can actually because they didn't

15:58

do it in the Bahamas he wants to prove

16:00

to them that they can actually go

16:02

to a tournament at a neutral site

16:04

and go win the thing. So I

16:07

think they need to visualize and like

16:09

in reality, see themselves be the champion

16:11

so that they can prove to themselves

16:13

that could go win a regional and

16:16

potentially go win a national championship. So

16:18

this is the first to go win

16:20

a national and potentially go win a

16:22

national championship. So this is the first

16:25

step. I think Rick Patino is selling

16:27

his team that they need to win

16:29

this. Plus 340, but really my pick

16:31

would be Iowa State. Iowa State loves

16:33

the Big 12 tournament. They love going

16:36

down there. Their fans travel. I feel

16:38

like this team, people have got off

16:40

the scent a little bit, but they're

16:42

healthy. They're playing the basketball, they were

16:45

playing earlier in the season. So plus

16:47

550, I like Iowa, I like Iowa

16:49

State there, last one, I like Iowa

16:51

State there, last one, I like Iowa

16:54

State there, last one, I like Iowa

16:56

State there, last one, I like Iowa

16:58

State. When will he get tossed in

17:00

a game? And we were hoping it

17:02

would not be in the Instability tournament.

17:05

I think it's good that he got

17:07

tossed in the Alabama game. So maybe

17:09

he avoided the one like last year

17:11

against Yale when he got tossed. Auburn

17:14

is the favorite in the SEC tournament

17:16

plus 160. Florida plus one. Auburn is

17:18

the favorite in the SEC tournament plus

17:20

160. Florida right behind him at plus.

17:23

So those are the picks I kind

17:25

of like, you know, just generally speaking,

17:27

but the Mountain West tournament will be

17:29

happening, Conference USA, Big Sky, Mac, Meek,

17:31

Big Ten, Big West, you know, A-10,

17:34

America, I mean, A-10, America-East, you know,

17:36

A-10, America-East, I mean, A-10, America-East, I

17:38

mean, A-10, America-East, I mean, A-10, for

17:40

behind DJ Burns, but we still have

17:43

a lot of chaos ahead. a lot

17:45

of mayhem, a lot of madness, whatever

17:47

you want to call it. I do

17:49

think that this week is very underrated

17:52

in the conversation of college basketball and

17:54

March Madness and Cinderella stories. Like if

17:56

you start watching during conference tournaments, you're

17:58

going to learn a lot about the

18:01

Cinderellaas to come and you're going to

18:03

kind of see their journey like a

18:05

Delaware. Delaware is in the CAA championship

18:07

game. This is a 12 seat in

18:09

their own conference tournament. They are, you

18:12

know, they've been playing uninspiredinspired basketball basically

18:14

throughout the entire the entire season. But

18:16

all of a sudden they've gotten hot

18:18

and now they can win the CAA

18:21

and end up in the NCAA tournament.

18:23

And if you didn't watch the run

18:25

for Delaware, you just see the team

18:27

sheet and you're like, how's the team

18:30

under 500 in the NCAA tournament? Well,

18:32

you wouldn't know the magic that happened

18:34

to get them there. So you should

18:36

be tuning in, you should be locking

18:38

in conference tournaments. They're the best. the

18:41

second wave of conference tournaments a lot

18:43

of big a lot of big tournaments

18:45

to watch obviously this is the power

18:47

five week and a lot of good

18:50

matchups but again you know there's probably

18:52

gonna be some chalkiness that happens with

18:54

this as always but let's talk about

18:56

the weekend that was in college basketball

18:59

obviously that is what is ahead in

19:01

college basketball we got a fun weekend

19:03

and it ends all with selection Sunday

19:05

as we know but let's talk about

19:07

the weekend before the weekend that was

19:10

in college basketball the final weekend of

19:12

the regular season and I do feel

19:14

like it can be defined in some

19:16

categories and some certain pockets and let's

19:19

start with the first pocket because these

19:21

two games were the best two games

19:23

of the weekend in my opinion and

19:25

they started because of two words. fatal

19:28

floaters and it started with St. John's

19:30

Marquette. Now if you did not watch

19:32

St. John's Marquette, I had said on

19:34

the program, Kyle and I talked about

19:36

this, I said the Johnny's probably needed

19:39

to lose this game just to kind

19:41

of get a little reset, maybe humble

19:43

them a little bit as we get

19:45

a little reset, maybe humble them a

19:48

little bit as we get into tournament

19:50

play, but the Johnny's did not want

19:52

to hear that. They refused to lose,

19:54

they refused to accept a few boneheaded

19:57

moments. this one laid as well, but

19:59

you know, Stevie Mitchell also a senior

20:01

putting his heart on the line out

20:03

there, Joplin, David Joplin. as well. So

20:05

I mean, these are like faces of

20:08

the Marquette program in their last game

20:10

in Pfizer Forum. And you know, for

20:12

the most part, Marquette was on their

20:14

way to what looked like a win.

20:17

But of course, we go to overtime

20:19

in this game. R. J. Lewis has

20:21

a big bucket late to force. dive

20:23

it on the floor, both these teams

20:26

fighting each other. And again, it ends

20:28

with a fatal floater. In overtime, you

20:30

know, St. John's has the basketball game

20:32

is tied 84, 84. They're looking for

20:34

the last shot and the last shot

20:37

they get is not really a good

20:39

shot. RJ Lewis, who had a great

20:41

game as he typically does, got a,

20:43

you know, not the best look. So

20:46

a deep three, you know, kind of

20:48

cracks off the back iron. It looks

20:50

like an easy rebound for I believe.

20:52

so fast. Kedari Richmond from behind, you

20:55

know, Chase Ross doesn't see him. He

20:57

just kind of pokes the ball out,

20:59

you know, without him seeing it. It

21:01

goes right into the hands of Simmian

21:03

Wilcher who had a great game. Simi

21:06

and Wilcher, one of his, I think

21:08

this is his best game of the

21:10

season. He is playing his best basketball

21:12

right now, but the ball gets poked

21:15

out by Richmond. probably bad shot that

21:17

probably you know either clanks off the

21:19

back iron or clanks out the backboard

21:21

or short or whatever it is just

21:24

kind of that awkward range instead he

21:26

makes a heads-up play a very very

21:28

heads-up play to say the least and

21:30

passes it over to Zuby Edgyfor a

21:32

little pop shot and it goes in

21:35

for the win and Zuby Edgyfor went

21:37

to the the classic Steph Curry night

21:39

night celebration celebration St. John's is going

21:41

crazy. Yeah, Kyle, I know you were

21:44

fired up for that one. That was

21:46

great. I saw I saw a great.

21:48

It's been really nice to like find

21:50

St. John's people on Twitter and I

21:53

know you guys have been here the

21:55

whole time and I'm new so don't

21:57

like jump down my throat. Don't get

21:59

mad. I just thought it was cool

22:01

when a guy was just like that's

22:04

the most St. John's play of the

22:06

season, a bad three, you know, great

22:08

defensive, you know, steel and then you

22:10

know, have Zubi fix it. So that's

22:13

that's basically what that St. John's season

22:15

in a nutshell. Yeah, but it just

22:17

keeps happening which is cool. they refuse

22:19

to lose and that just is what the Johnny's

22:21

are and I call him the Johnny's on the

22:24

spot they beat everybody to the basketball if it's

22:26

on the floor I mean whether it's RJ Lewis

22:28

Richmond Wilter whoever's on the court pray whoever it

22:30

is they're gonna get on the floor they're gonna

22:32

make it happen and again a poke a pass

22:34

and a plop shot and and and there you

22:36

have it Zuby Adj afore he makes Marquette's nightmares

22:39

come true and again St. Rick Patino after the

22:41

game I mean even he was like this is

22:43

like this is like this is just beyond you

22:45

know what i mean like he even he could

22:47

even you know like that south park where mr.

22:49

garrisons Donald Trump and he's just

22:51

like what the heck yeah he's

22:54

like i can't believe how good

22:56

this is like believe it Yeah,

22:58

I can't believe this is my

23:00

life. And that is Rick Catino's

23:02

feeling. That was all of us

23:04

as we watch it. So fatal

23:06

floaters. The first one was Zuby

23:08

Edgifor, knocking that down, 8684 St.

23:10

John's wins on the road at

23:12

Marquette in overtime. And if you

23:14

thought that was going to be

23:17

the last, 884 St. John's wins

23:19

on the road at Marquette

23:21

in overtime. And if you

23:23

thought that was gonna be

23:25

the only. That's maybe under

23:27

the radar. Auburn's coming off

23:29

a loss at Texas A&M.

23:31

So you would think that

23:34

this would be a game

23:36

for them, quote unquote, a

23:38

get right game. But Alabama

23:40

just would not go away

23:42

in this one. And at

23:44

the end, Mark Sears, the

23:46

same sort of deal. Just

23:49

a beautiful little floater. And he

23:51

gets the win, 93, 91. Chad

23:53

Baker. Mazar quoted NATO's press conference

23:55

and said rent-free. So this is

23:58

a great rivalry game. as Duke

24:00

in North Carolina, which we'll talk about

24:02

here in a second, you know, it

24:04

was great to see Auburn, Alabama have

24:06

that chippiness. It was an incredible shot

24:08

by Mark Sears. It was a good

24:10

momentum game for Alabama. This is a

24:12

team that last season, they kind of

24:14

lent into the NCAA tournament, then made

24:16

a final four run. So they were

24:18

trending in that same direction, but again,

24:20

a nice win over arrival and Mark

24:23

Sears, you know, to be able to

24:25

hit that shot, hit that shot in

24:27

that moment in that moment with his

24:29

story and what Mark Sears has meant

24:31

to this. Alabama program turning them and

24:33

moving them in the direction that they

24:35

are headed right now, which is potentially

24:37

on a way on a path to

24:39

winning the national championship or at least

24:41

getting back to the final four. You

24:43

know, that was a great moment, a

24:45

great shot. I know Auburn fans would

24:47

say the opposite of that, but they

24:49

will be okay. And I do think

24:51

that Auburn. It's much better for this

24:53

to be happening now as opposed to

24:55

Chad Baker Mazar getting ejected like I

24:57

said in the second round game in

25:00

an 8-9 game where there's a hot

25:02

8-9 team that you're playing against and

25:04

Baker Mazar gets tossed he's your second

25:06

best player and things go bad so

25:08

if you're Auburn just count your blessings

25:10

that this happened now and you pray

25:12

it doesn't happen in the incident of

25:14

a tournament and if it doesn't then

25:16

they should be also on their way

25:18

to making a run to the big

25:20

highlights from the weekend. Now let's talk

25:22

about the rivalry. I was at this

25:24

game to quote Michael Wilbonne. I was

25:26

there. I was in person. And big

25:28

picture thoughts here. I mean, Duke, North

25:30

Carolina, it is always a game that

25:32

will deliver. I don't care what anybody

25:34

says. Jay Billis just went on Cousin

25:36

Sau show and Sau kind of gave

25:39

him the, what is the next rivalry

25:41

now that Carolina Duke is dead and

25:43

Jay Billis got real serious. And he

25:45

said, I don't buy. of stars in

25:47

the building, a lot of North Carolina

25:49

stars in the building. Drake May in

25:51

the building, good to see him out

25:53

there. We saw Michael Lombardi, ran into

25:55

Michael Lombardi, so shout out to former

25:57

co-host, former ringer star here, Michael Lombardi,

25:59

now the GM of North Carolina football.

26:01

This game was. fun for a little

26:03

bit, you know what I mean? And

26:05

it was a highly competitive game, highly

26:07

intense game, great atmosphere in the Smith

26:09

Center, so shout out to all the

26:11

Carolina fans that came out. Also shout

26:13

out to the Duke fans, if you

26:15

didn't see this Kelly Flag, which is

26:18

Cooper Flags mom. First, you know, when

26:20

Cooper Flag had his big mom, so

26:22

when Cooper Flag had his big dunk

26:24

in this game, they cut to Kelly

26:26

Flag. I did not see the broadcast,

26:28

I rewatched the game after the fact.

26:30

celebration as all the Duke, you know,

26:32

and this is what the Duke parents

26:34

and, you know, people that are supporting

26:36

their team. I mean, they do all

26:38

these celebrations. Every time someone hits at

26:40

three, they do the three eyes, you

26:42

know, and I mean, this is what

26:44

they do. You know, this is what

26:46

they do. You know, this is what

26:48

they do. So Kelly Flag is doing

26:50

what the Duke students do and Duke

26:52

parents do. But after the game, she

26:54

put out. doing hatred in our direction,

26:57

yelling at you and all this sort

26:59

of stuff. I could see the Duke

27:01

section that it's over there. I mean,

27:03

you're pretty much surrounded by all Duke

27:05

people. It seems like a little bit

27:07

of a gross exaggeration in my opinion,

27:09

but at the same time, this is

27:11

what the rivalry is about. And it

27:13

does feel like we're at a rivalry

27:15

reversal. I remember Grantland wrote a piece

27:17

like in 2014, I was still in

27:19

college. And it was like a rivalry

27:21

reversed and it was just how North

27:23

Carolina and Duke had basically swap spots

27:25

where now Duke has signed up to

27:27

be the program that has the NBA

27:29

town and Carolina was more of the

27:31

the prototypical college basketball stars who were

27:33

going to help you win championships and

27:36

that has kind of been the prototypical

27:38

college basketball stars who are going to

27:40

help you win championships and that has

27:42

kind of been the case for about

27:44

13 years. This game pretty much epitomized

27:46

the reality where North Carolina played a

27:48

really really really good good game assist

27:50

but. only six turnovers of the team.

27:52

They played pretty much connected throughout. R.J.

27:54

Davis was incredible in the first half.

27:56

He had a. and a big time

27:58

shot of retirees Proctor when they made

28:00

their run. They got down 15 in

28:02

the first, made a big run to

28:04

get it down to one point before

28:06

halftime, and RJ Davis was a big

28:08

part of that. The plays that really

28:10

changed the game, and this is why

28:13

I want to get, I know I

28:15

was making fun of all the Duke

28:17

fans talking about a. John Shire not

28:19

being coach of the year, but the

28:21

reason that John Shire does have an

28:23

argument for coach of the year, I

28:25

mean, obviously besides the fact that they're

28:27

the best team in the country. The

28:29

other part in this game, I mean,

28:31

this was coaching and the things that

28:33

he did, the subtle things that he

28:36

did, the subtle things that he did,

28:38

the subtle things that he did, that

28:40

he did to tweak and alter and

28:43

pivot in alter and pivot, with Malick

28:45

Brown and he's just like, I don't

28:47

care if you make it, just take

28:49

it. And if you take it with

28:52

confidence, we're okay with that. I don't

28:54

care if you airballed, but just keep

28:56

the defense honest. In this game, he

28:59

did what Shire told him and he

29:01

happened to make two threes that were

29:03

huge, that were huge. Basically game changing

29:05

three. And he did what Shire told

29:08

him and he happened to make two

29:10

threes that were huge. Basically, two threes

29:12

proctor was not. coaching wise, I thought

29:14

they were really important, I thought they

29:17

were really crucial and you got to

29:19

give John Shire, tip of the cat

29:21

for making those decisions. The play of

29:23

the game that really changed the game

29:26

or, you know, affected the game at

29:28

some level. The con caniple play of

29:30

the game is what I'm calling it.

29:32

It was basically a fast break situation

29:34

for set tremble. North Carolina had the

29:36

lead at this point and caniple just

29:38

kind of pushes set tremble out of

29:40

the way. stop a fast break. You

29:43

know, most people would say that, I

29:45

think, if they're objectively watching the game.

29:47

It is not, it was not deemed

29:49

that. It ends up being a four-point

29:51

swing. Carolina does not get a fast-break

29:53

layup. Duke keeps possession. They get the

29:55

ball back and they score. Get two

29:57

points again, a four-point swing. And Caniple

29:59

doing that. he's a heads-up player. After

30:01

watching Kalkinipo and Cooper Flag, like Cooper

30:03

Flag has gone full Duke, you know,

30:05

in Tropic Thunder, they're like, you never

30:07

go full, you know, like, you never

30:09

go full Duke, and uh, Cooper Flag

30:12

has gone full Duke, I was right

30:14

there, two rows up, the mouth of

30:16

that kid and what he's saying to

30:18

the crowd and flexing the crowd, he's

30:20

tough, and he's pretty much unaffected. So

30:22

again, Conkeneb will play the game. That

30:24

was a heads up play. It was

30:26

a very crisp all play. It's like

30:28

gaming the game in real time. It's

30:30

like if Carolina gets that momentum fast

30:32

break and they get that and they

30:35

stay up six points, everything's okay or

30:37

four points I believe at that point.

30:39

But again, Conkeneb will do in that

30:41

was a great call. And it really

30:43

changed kind of, you know, the ethos

30:45

and the emotion of the game, the

30:47

momentum of the game. And then from

30:49

there, I mean, Duke just kind of

30:51

choked Caroline out the rest of the

30:53

way. They're a better team. We kind

30:56

of ran the game and it's like.

30:58

their managers are better, their assistant coaches

31:00

are better, their support staff is better,

31:02

their SID is better, everything that Duke

31:04

has over there is better than North

31:06

Carolina right now, and North Carolina had

31:08

played probably the best game that they've

31:10

played all season, in my opinion, and

31:12

they still lost by 13 points, and

31:14

Duke still covered, and Cooper Flag had

31:16

3,000 the first half. So, you know,

31:19

there's also an argument about Cooper Flag

31:21

getting his fourth foul, there was a

31:23

set-trimble charge, Leaked his shoulder out a

31:25

little bit, which is why I think

31:27

it wasn't going to constitute a charge

31:29

It would have been a block, but

31:31

again Drake Powell did the best he

31:33

could do in this game I thought

31:35

he was the real star for North

31:37

Carolina outside of our Jay Davis, especially

31:40

on the defensive end But it was

31:42

Carolina Duke. It was great to see

31:44

the fallout after the game with the

31:46

you know the flag family and their

31:48

commentary on the whole thing and it

31:50

is nice to see that the hatred

31:52

the court. That was a really cool

31:54

moment. So if you were there and

31:56

you were saying yourself, what is to

31:58

Carolina basketball, at least there was the

32:00

ability to think about something else with

32:03

the football program. You got Bill Bellichick

32:05

in the building with all the recruits,

32:07

the future recruits, you had LT and

32:09

Julius Pepper. So you got a little

32:11

bit of a distraction if Carolina basketball

32:13

wasn't doing the job for you. But

32:15

again, if you're Carolina, you have a

32:17

six point lead in the second half.

32:19

you would have taken that 100 times

32:21

out of 100 and the fact that

32:24

they weren't able to do anything down

32:26

the stretch kind of goes to the

32:28

larger issue with this program since about

32:30

2021 which is in the last five

32:32

minutes of the game why can't they

32:34

figure out a hundred twenty one which

32:36

is in the last five minutes of

32:38

the game why can't they figure out

32:40

a way to win and has not

32:42

been able to finish games and they

32:44

were in another position in this one

32:47

where, you know, they could have gone

32:49

and won this game and now you

32:51

don't have to worry about the bubble

32:53

or any sort of these conversations, but

32:55

now they are probably on the wrong

32:57

side of the bubble, they are probably

32:59

on the wrong side of the bubble,

33:01

they also are the six seed in

33:03

the ACC tournament, which means they're going

33:05

to have to put face Duke, if

33:08

they are able to get past Wake

33:10

Forest, would not be a Q1. Duke

33:12

fans are having a field day knowing

33:14

that North Carolina could potentially miss the

33:16

tournament in two of the last three

33:18

seasons. Now I must remind people in

33:20

the other two seasons where they did

33:22

not miss the tournament. They were a

33:24

one seed last year and they went

33:26

to the national championship game and had

33:29

a 16 point lead at halftime the

33:31

year before that. So you know there

33:33

is an every other aspect of what's

33:35

going on here but again that's not

33:37

good enough for North Carolina basketball and

33:39

you know shout to Cooper flag. I

33:41

think he is a I mean you

33:43

can. deny the talent but he has

33:45

gone full Duke and if you don't

33:47

know this and you haven't picked up

33:49

on it I saw it in person

33:52

I heard it he's gone full Duke

33:54

and shout out to Christian Leiter his

33:56

favorite player because he is looking a

33:58

whole lot like him right now. Let's

34:00

talk about another team of the triangle,

34:02

pour one out for our guy, the

34:04

seven year rule, the golden rule of

34:06

coaching as we learn, seven years. Seven

34:08

years is enough time for a coach

34:10

to fall in love with the program

34:13

and it's also enough time for the

34:15

program to fall out of love with

34:17

the coach. Kevin Keats experienced this better

34:19

than anyone. Last year was year seven

34:21

for Kevin Keats. He was probably going

34:23

to get fired at the end of

34:25

last season. And unfortunately for the powers

34:27

that be at NC State, he made

34:29

a final four run. And you know,

34:31

he was basically the Cinderella man last

34:33

season. But so he gets the seven

34:36

year rule in year rule in year

34:38

eight. He got like a grace period,

34:40

you know, fund run last year in

34:42

the final four. But now NC State

34:44

has moved on. Kevin Keats put out

34:46

a very hilarious post where he said.

34:48

FBI on campus investigating the program. So

34:50

he's like, I like to think I

34:52

left the program in a better spot

34:54

than where I found it. I think

34:57

that's a very fair point from Kevin

34:59

Keats. So I do want to give

35:01

him a tip of the cap there.

35:03

But that final four run did feel

35:05

like final four run did feel like

35:07

five years. So I do want to

35:09

give him a tip of the cap

35:11

there. But that final final four run

35:13

did feel like five years. he has

35:15

been called already based on my sources.

35:17

So Will Wade is definitely in the

35:20

mix for the NC State job. Richard

35:22

Patino is another name that is in

35:24

the mix for the NC State job.

35:26

Ryan Odom is another name that they

35:28

will throw into the mix for the

35:30

NC State job. Ryan Odom is another

35:32

name that they will throw into the

35:34

mix for the NC State job. Ryan

35:36

Odom is another name that they will

35:38

throw into the mix for the NC

35:41

State job. I don't have a lot

35:43

of people want to go after, but.

35:45

We'll see what happens. I think Will

35:47

Wade right now, I would say, as

35:49

the leader in the clubhouse, and if

35:51

Will Wade is coming to the ACC

35:53

and coming to the triangle and coming

35:55

into tobacco road, that is a field

35:57

day and a win for everybody involved,

35:59

especially us on. this program. Last thing,

36:01

before we get to Jeremy Shapp, this

36:04

was the other big storyline as far

36:06

as rivalries this weekend. We got Michigan,

36:08

Michigan State. We're calling this the dust

36:10

up. If you did not see this,

36:12

you don't know the tradition. So Michigan

36:14

State since about 1995, it looks like,

36:16

so about 30 years. Michigan State when

36:18

their seniors check out of the game.

36:20

They go to mid-court, they kiss the

36:22

the center Spartan logo, and then they

36:25

check out and Tom iso gives them

36:27

a hug and a nooky and you

36:29

know They go sit down and it's

36:31

a beautiful moment, right? So during the

36:33

Michigan Michigan State game, which Michigan State's

36:35

absolutely destroying Michigan and embarrassing them and

36:37

embarrassing them throughout the entire game Michigan's

36:39

state had found them to check out

36:41

their seniors and they had just gotten

36:43

Frankie Fiddler out so he had just

36:45

done the kiss the floor checkout moment

36:48

and everything and now they're waiting for

36:50

the next guy up to do this

36:52

and they're at the foul on but

36:54

then two michigan players go to center

36:56

court and basically start doing security guard

36:58

like start cosplaying as security guards at

37:00

center court and they're blocking the logo

37:02

and uh... and and so what happens

37:04

of course is uh... tray holloman who

37:06

is basically the avatar of Tomizzo on

37:09

the floor and also the avatar of

37:11

Michigan State fans on the floor. He

37:13

sees the two Michigan players at half

37:15

court. He walks up to them to

37:17

confront them and they basically say we're

37:19

not going to move based on reading

37:21

lips on the video and then Trey

37:23

Hoffman's reaction is, okay, if you're not

37:25

going to move, I'm going to make

37:27

you move. He decides to do that.

37:29

We have a little bit of a

37:32

dust up, a scuffle, a scuffle, a

37:34

kerfuffle, whatever you want. We clear it

37:36

all up. Dusty May goes over to

37:38

Thomas, though, basically it's like, you know,

37:40

I'm sorry, I didn't know what was

37:42

happening there. After the game, Dusty May

37:44

has asked about this. He kind of

37:46

gets combative and maybe a little bit

37:48

confrontational back with the media, just being

37:50

like, where are we supposed to stand

37:53

during a free throw, plays dumb, acts

37:55

like he doesn't know about the tradition.

37:57

Again, there's some people pointing out. that's

37:59

been happening for 30 years, especially Michigan

38:01

State fans. Tom Issoe's asked about it.

38:03

He has some words about it. There's

38:05

a lot of finger pointing about who's

38:07

classy, who's trashy. You know, as we

38:09

saw in the Duke Carolina, everybody's saying

38:11

the other one's trashy, the other one's

38:13

not class. You know, I mean, it's

38:16

the classic robbery finger pointing here, but

38:18

this was the Dusty May kind of

38:20

heel turn. It does feel like Dusty

38:22

May has obviously been a face. He's

38:24

been someone that everyone loves. He kind

38:26

of became Brad Stevens 2.0 after the

38:28

FAU run. But this was the first

38:30

time where like Michigan State fans now

38:32

have a reason to hate Dusty May

38:34

and to think that he's like, you

38:37

know, not someone they want to talk

38:39

about or be a fan of or

38:41

pull forward any level. Obviously they weren't

38:43

going to do that anyway, but Dusty

38:45

May now is officially on the Michigan

38:47

State shit list and Tom. We don't

38:49

need to be pushing anybody. But after

38:51

he saw the tape and got the

38:53

context, I think he has now sited

38:55

and he has satered up even harder

38:57

with what Trey Holloman did and Michigan

39:00

State fans are obviously very happy about

39:02

him standing up for their traditions and

39:04

Tom Mizo said on the microphone after

39:06

the game, nobody. And I repeat, nobody

39:08

will change our traditions. And that is

39:10

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39:12

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39:14

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39:16

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39:18

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39:21

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39:23

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39:31

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40:54

The great Jeremy. Good to

40:56

be here. It's great to talk

40:58

about the Hurleys. I always enjoy it.

41:00

It's the best. And this season going

41:03

into the season, we obviously were locked

41:05

in on Dan Hurley, back-to-back national champion.

41:07

We called him the main character of

41:09

college basketball. We remember the Dragon underwear.

41:11

We remember the interviews with Andrea Hurley

41:13

during the run last year and obviously

41:15

the year prior. Just your kind of

41:17

introduction into the character of Danny Hurley.

41:19

When did you kind of formulate your

41:21

opinions on him and how fun is

41:24

it to see the journey of Danny

41:26

to Dan? No, that's really it. I

41:28

mean, it really is about this

41:30

incredible journey. And I first, you know,

41:33

knew of Dan Hurley before I

41:35

met him, like everybody else

41:37

thought of him, you know,

41:39

his Bob's second son and

41:41

Bobby's little brother. And my

41:43

first memories of Bobby go back

41:45

to when he was in high

41:47

school at St. Anthony's from like

41:49

85 to 89. And I remember my

41:52

dad Dick Shapp. you know, who was

41:54

close to that whole night

41:56

coaching tree and to Shoshevsky

41:58

even, you know. before really the

42:00

night you're Shefsky break. But I remember

42:03

I was in college and he's, we're

42:05

having a conversation and he says, I

42:07

just talked to Mike about this kid

42:09

from Jersey City. He says he's the

42:12

toughest son of a bitch he's ever

42:14

seen. He's totally in love with him.

42:16

And from there, and I didn't know

42:18

much about Bob Senior at that point,

42:21

you know, I wouldn't hear the lot

42:23

about the early in the last 37,

42:25

38 years or whatever it is. But

42:27

the first time I met Danny met

42:30

Danny. was when he was coming back

42:32

to Seton Hall to the team in

42:34

1994, after he left the team in

42:36

the fall of 93, when he was

42:38

in the middle of a mental health

42:41

crisis. And, you know, all of that,

42:43

and we address, you know, that the

42:45

crisis and what was going on for

42:47

the family as a whole at that

42:50

time in 93, because, you know, Danny

42:52

is struggling. He's a juniored Seton Hall.

42:54

He's really struggling with all the pressures.

42:56

And there's a double header at Madison

42:59

Square Garden, and the Kings are playing

43:01

the Knicks in the first game. And

43:03

it's Seton Hall in St. John's in

43:05

the second game. And Danny has a

43:08

bad game. And Bobby, of course, was

43:10

at that point with the Kings. He

43:12

was playing. He was just a few

43:14

weeks into his NBA career. Then they

43:16

went out for dinner afterwards. And Danny

43:19

basically told Bobby that he was broken.

43:21

and he needed to get away from

43:23

the game, but he couldn't tell anybody

43:25

but Bobby. He couldn't tell his mom,

43:28

he couldn't tell his dad, couldn't tell

43:30

his coaches, so he was really looking

43:32

for Bobby's blessing to do what he

43:34

needed to do to preserve his mental

43:37

health. Anyway, a few days later, Bobby's

43:39

in the car crash that almost ends

43:41

his life. That's just eight days later.

43:43

And you can imagine the trauma for

43:46

the family so much going on, Danny's

43:48

mental health crisis. Bobby's, it's a miracle

43:50

that he survived that he survived that

43:52

he survived that car crash. And then

43:55

over the course of the next year

43:57

he started. Danny started working with Bob

43:59

at St. Anthony's and then he went

44:01

back to school in, I think it

44:03

was the fall of 94, I was

44:06

a producer at ESPN at that time,

44:08

I guess I was 24, 25, and

44:10

I produced a piece about Danny returning

44:12

to the team and what he had

44:15

gone through. And elements of it, Steve,

44:17

he's the reporter, and elements of that

44:19

piece are in the documentary. But then

44:21

over the years, I did a full-scale

44:24

documentary about Bobby. eight years ago. You

44:26

know, I've certainly always been interested in

44:28

the exploits in the heroics of the

44:30

early family. Absolutely, and if you could

44:33

go back to that moment, like you

44:35

said, that dinner that they had with

44:37

the two brothers, and if you could

44:39

show them like a flash forward of

44:41

where we are today, where Danny is

44:44

the best F and coach in basketball,

44:46

right? I mean, and he gets offered

44:48

the Lakers, but not proclaimed, right? Yeah,

44:50

when you're the champion, you can say

44:53

these things in my opinion. So I'm

44:55

happy for Danny to say that. So

44:57

to see, you know, someone living in

44:59

the shadow of his shadow of his

45:02

brother, to have your dad is one

45:04

of the most decorated coaches and to

45:06

live in that shadow and to then

45:08

grow into this and what he is

45:11

today where maybe he's the first hurley

45:13

that you think of it would have

45:15

seemed improbable 30 years ago and now

45:17

it just seems regular. Right. I mean

45:19

that that's you know the arc of

45:22

our story right you know and you

45:24

know I was thinking about this the

45:26

other day talking with some of the

45:28

producers on the project but you know

45:31

You know, it's one thing, right, following

45:33

in the footsteps of a legend, right?

45:35

That's hard enough to do. You know,

45:37

Bob is, Bob was only the third

45:40

high school coach ever enshrined in the

45:42

Hall of Fame when he went in

45:44

in 2010. I think there are five

45:46

now high school coaches in the Hall

45:49

of Fame. So, so his, his father

45:51

is, you know, and it's more than

45:53

being in the Hall of Fame. commitment

45:55

to his players, fact that his full-time

45:57

job was a probation officer in Jersey

46:00

City, one of the toughest towns in

46:02

America, especially back in that era. All

46:04

of these elements, and then to follow

46:06

another legend, your brother, right, into the

46:09

big East of the 1980s, where obviously

46:11

Bobby had been in the ACC, but

46:13

doing the same job, playing point guard,

46:15

joining that team just... a few months

46:18

after they played in the national title

46:20

game, losing a Michigan. So the pressures

46:22

that were on him, as I said,

46:24

it's one thing to be the son

46:27

of legend and having to deal with

46:29

all of that, but to be the

46:31

little brother and the son and to

46:33

follow both of them into their respective

46:36

lines of work, coaching and playing point

46:38

guard in major college basketball and suffering

46:40

this devastating. crisis of confidence mental health

46:42

to where he is now is what

46:44

I think really makes the story so

46:47

rich and so fascinating. And Dan obviously

46:49

when he you know decided to play

46:51

in state in New Jersey that was

46:53

a big deal and that made a

46:56

lot of people happy in New Jersey

46:58

and to have you know Bob Hurley

47:00

was so recognizable in that state as

47:02

far as a basketball figure to have

47:05

that connective tissue there was great so

47:07

he did the right thing quote-on-quote but

47:09

then you know it did not play

47:11

out as expected and obviously it hurt

47:14

him a lot. and you can see

47:16

that that drives who he is and

47:18

the journey of Danny from you know

47:20

high school assistant coach to the Wagner

47:22

coach like the climb that we saw

47:25

and to see him kind of sitting

47:27

now in the throne it has been

47:29

very remarkable and there's been very remarkable

47:31

and there's been a lot of people

47:34

that have watched it Jay Willis Roy

47:36

Williams you have a lot of people

47:38

that you interviewed for this piece that

47:40

are new interviews what was it like

47:43

because they know both Danny's right they

47:45

know Danny and they know Dan and

47:47

what was it like to get their

47:49

perspective their perspective on both guys Well,

47:52

I think it's really fascinating. I didn't

47:54

sit down. I think those might have

47:56

been the only ones I didn't do,

47:58

actually, personally, with Jay. and Roy, but

48:00

they're well represented in the show.

48:03

And, you know, again, people whose

48:05

history with the family goes back

48:07

all these decades and people forget,

48:10

right, that, you know, it seemed

48:12

at one point that Bobby might

48:14

go to North Carolina, wanted to

48:16

go to North Carolina and there

48:18

was a connection with North Carolina,

48:20

but it seemed that Kenny Anderson

48:22

was going to go to North

48:25

Carolina. That was the word. Right.

48:27

So that there was no place

48:29

then for Bobby there. So then,

48:31

you know, Kenny ends up obviously

48:33

going to Georgia Tech and all

48:35

that great New York area Metro

48:37

area. Bobby Cremens jumps in there

48:40

late and gets him to come

48:42

down to Georgia Tech. Right. Exactly.

48:44

Bobby Cremens from from all hallows.

48:46

And, you know, it all comes

48:48

to New York. But, you know,

48:50

it was great to talk to people, you

48:52

know, known for a long time like Luke

48:55

Murray. Obviously his brother

48:57

and his father, you know,

48:59

the family as Jay says

49:02

in the show is basketball

49:04

royalty and that goes without

49:07

saying, but it's deeper than

49:09

that, right? There is such

49:11

profound respect for the

49:14

basketball instincts and knowledge and

49:16

history with all three of

49:18

these guys. So it is

49:21

that. you know, double-edged sword,

49:23

right? Because, yeah, there are

49:25

the pressures, right, of being

49:27

Bob Hurley's son in New Jersey, going

49:29

to play for scene hall, of being

49:31

Bobby Hurley's little brother, arguably the greatest

49:34

college point guard of all time. But

49:36

then, there are all the benefits, right?

49:38

Right. And Danny talks about that, right?

49:40

It's not just entree, right? But by,

49:43

you know, he talks about, in the

49:45

show, you know, it's hard to

49:47

remember what makes the final cut,

49:49

And he's playing for, you know,

49:51

these great coaches, etc. It's not

49:54

a slight, but he's like, I knew everything,

49:56

right? I knew it by the time I

49:58

was in sixth grade. what everybody was

50:01

telling you know his entire life

50:03

he was in training to be

50:05

a basketball coach well you could

50:07

say that about a lot of

50:09

coaches kids right but I think

50:11

it's even more amplified when the

50:13

dad is Bob Hurley senior right

50:15

in that community in Jersey City

50:17

and you're growing up with a

50:19

brother's 18 months older and your

50:21

life totally revolves around the sport.

50:23

And you know, the double-edged sword

50:25

of that is you have the

50:27

ability to commit and to go

50:29

all in and earn a PhD

50:31

before you're in high school on

50:33

basketball. But what else is there

50:35

then in your life? If basketball

50:37

isn't working out. And that's what

50:39

happened in Seton Hall for Dan.

50:42

And then like now, the successful

50:44

version of Dan Hurley, two-time national

50:46

champion, my favorite Billy Donovan quote

50:48

was when he won his second

50:50

national championship. He was like, I

50:52

thought I was going to walk

50:54

around and everyone was going to

50:56

go, hey, there's two-time national champion

50:58

Billy Donovan. And he's like, it

51:00

didn't really happen that way. Like

51:02

that wasn't what my life was

51:04

like. And for Danny, Dan now,

51:06

Coach Hurley, like his experience, like

51:08

having the success, like having the

51:10

success, like, Is it worth it?

51:12

Like does he feel like gratification

51:14

that he got there? Does he

51:16

still have that same kind of

51:18

hunger in his belly? Because from

51:20

the outside looking in it, it

51:22

seems like maybe the hunger has

51:25

even grown more since he has

51:27

won these two championships. And we

51:29

talked about exactly that. I think

51:31

he said, you know, he didn't

51:33

know what it was going to

51:35

be like. But he really needed

51:37

that first one. Because, you know,

51:39

he's on a different timeline than

51:41

a lot of these guys. Billy

51:43

Donovan for instance, Bob Knight for

51:45

instance, Mike Shuske for now, he's

51:47

he's older when he got there.

51:49

He was 50 when he won

51:51

that national title two years ago.

51:53

Okay, he'd been a coach for

51:55

almost 30 years waiting for that

51:57

defining moment, right? Not an old

51:59

guy. you know, 50, but a

52:01

lot of the all-time rates, they

52:03

got there earlier. I think Wooden

52:05

was even later, but I have

52:08

to go back and check. And

52:10

obviously Jay Wright was even older

52:12

when he got that national title.

52:14

Yes. But he was chasing it

52:16

for a very long time, and

52:18

he needed that achievement, he says,

52:20

to feel like he had a

52:22

seat at the Hurley table. He

52:24

still thinks in those terms. And

52:26

talking to, you know, Kamani about

52:28

it. I said, you know, it's

52:30

just amazing for a guy with

52:32

all of his achievements, who's heading

52:34

in all likelihood to the Hall

52:36

of Fame and all of that.

52:38

Even now, you know, for so

52:40

we have third consecutive, there's that

52:42

chip on his shoulder. It's a

52:44

bold, it's a bold, and it's

52:46

about, it's about living up to

52:48

the family name, it's about the

52:50

failures that he thinks. I mean,

52:53

he's very tough on himself, obviously,

52:55

about the seat and hall career.

52:57

And you know, you go back

52:59

and you look at the numbers.

53:01

I mean, we're talking about like.

53:03

Look at the players he was

53:05

competing against in the Big East.

53:07

Right. I mean, it's, it's, I

53:09

mean, I don't know how many

53:11

of them are in the Hall

53:13

of Fame now, but how many

53:15

became NBA All-Stars? But, you know,

53:17

he more than held his own,

53:19

you know, he was among the

53:21

league leaders and assists. There were

53:23

times at which he was among

53:25

the league leaders in scoring. And

53:27

it wasn't as if he says

53:29

he was comparing himself to a

53:31

degree of greatness, other guys. And

53:33

he's still really tough on himself.

53:36

So it's, it's again, there's no

53:38

black or white. It's gray. There's

53:40

a sense of achievement. I've got

53:42

this seat at the table now,

53:44

but he said, is my belly

53:46

full? No. And one of the other

53:48

characters that I feel like you know in his world obviously the coaches

53:50

you mentioned Luke Murray come on a young they're very important but his

53:52

wife Andrea when the clips came out for the other hurley right I

53:54

mean she became the main talking point everyone talking about

53:56

Andrea Hurley. And when the Lakers job

53:59

came up this summer, there were

54:01

rumblings in Los Angeles, Jeremy, that she

54:03

was going to be on the

54:05

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills if he

54:07

was going to take the job.

54:09

I mean, she's a character, right? So

54:11

how much is that relationship kind

54:13

of important to the Dan Hurley success

54:16

story? Oh, I think

54:18

it's absolutely fundamental. You know,

54:20

they met at Seaton Hall, you

54:23

know, I kid Andrea, she was a child

54:25

bride. She got married. She was 20. She

54:27

got drunk at her wedding. I guess he

54:29

was like 23, you know. He

54:32

was a senior. I think she was a freshman

54:34

when they met. And you can

54:36

see, you know, in the clips,

54:38

but especially if you talk to her

54:41

at length, how she would be

54:43

the perfect balance for him. You know,

54:45

it's not like one is, you

54:47

know, high energy and the other's low

54:49

energy. It's not that you know,

54:51

they're both big personalities with a lot

54:53

of interesting things to say, but

54:55

she's been there for this whole ride.

54:57

And it's also fascinating too, because

55:00

it's not just a question of him.

55:02

And he talks about this finding

55:04

success later in life, although 50 doesn't seem

55:06

that late in life to me. But

55:09

it's about what their expectations were for

55:11

a long time. I mean, he was

55:13

an assistant at Rutgers for four years,

55:15

right? And then he's at St. Benedict's

55:17

for nine years. So I don't know

55:19

the exact numbers. I don't know if

55:21

he was made, you know, but he

55:23

was not making a lot of money.

55:25

Obviously, even though he's very successful there

55:27

at St. Benedict's. And, you know, it

55:29

seemed like, why would this be the

55:31

rest of his life at St. Benedict's?

55:34

St. Anthony was his father's whole life.

55:36

Why couldn't St. Benedict's be his whole

55:38

life? And I think, I mean, Andrea told me

55:40

she thought that was going to be their life,

55:42

you know, and there were great

55:44

things about it. They loved it. They loved the

55:46

program, what they did there. They loved being

55:48

around the kids and their families. And I think

55:50

Dan was just as committed to those kids

55:53

as Bob had been to the kids at St.

55:55

Anthony's. But, you know, she also talked about,

55:57

you know, not being able to make ends meet.

56:00

not being able to pay the

56:02

bills at the end of the month,

56:04

all of that kind of stuff.

56:06

And, you know, there were times

56:08

when I don't think Bob drew

56:10

any salary in St. Anthony's, and

56:12

there were times when it

56:14

was very, very small. So,

56:16

you know, to go from there when

56:19

he's 36, right, to now, you

56:21

know, 14 years later, right, turning

56:23

down the Lakers and turning 70

56:25

million dollars, that's... You know, think

56:28

about, you know, that, um, that change

56:30

of circumstance. And yet I

56:32

think there's still the same people.

56:34

Yeah, and it does seem like Dan is definitely the same

56:36

guy. Even in Maui this year, there was a lot of

56:38

media people that were going after him. I mean, it was

56:40

a lot of heat, and if you've ever been in the

56:42

Lahana Civic Center, it's very small, you can hear everything. I

56:44

was, I was angling for a trip, and I didn't get

56:46

it. I was angling for a trip, and I guess, and

56:48

I guess it's probably better, you know, you can hear everything.

56:50

I was angling for, I mean, I mean, I mean, I

56:52

mean, I mean, I mean, I was, I was, I was,

56:54

I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I

56:57

was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was,

56:59

I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I

57:01

was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was,

57:03

I was, I was, I was, I was, Maui. They're very,

57:05

you know, animated guys who have, you know, dads

57:07

who are coaches who are very tough on them,

57:09

very similar kind of background there. So when Dan

57:11

had that moment and the media kind of flipped

57:13

on him and I saw his reaction to it

57:15

and he's like, wait a second, these are the

57:17

same people that were calling me a genius six

57:20

months ago and, you know, saying I need to

57:22

be the Lakers head coach. Now they're saying I'm

57:24

an idiot, I'm bad for the game. It did

57:26

feel like the Danny came back out back out

57:28

in back out in Maui. and like that chip,

57:30

you mentioned a bolder, it felt like it grew

57:32

even more. So like the fact, and Rick Matino

57:34

this year, obviously like winning the big yeast,

57:37

like it feels like Dan Early, like,

57:39

he's got a whole other like charting

57:41

and a task ahead of him now

57:43

that maybe going into the season we

57:45

didn't see, but it's a new challenge and

57:48

I feel like it's perfect for

57:50

him. There's no doubt, and look, you know,

57:52

I mean, you talked about, you know, you

57:54

know, people, Ripping him this, you're kind

57:56

of, not kind of, you know, totally ripping

57:58

him. He's a lunatic. you know he's

58:00

bad for the game I think it's

58:03

hard to argue that Dan Hurley is

58:05

bad for the game I was shocked

58:07

I mean it's someone who covers it

58:10

and talks about it like even I

58:12

said in Maui I was like I

58:14

think this is being a little bit

58:17

blown out of proportion especially coming off

58:19

back-to-back national championships but you know it

58:21

is the world that we live in

58:24

and there is an element too right

58:26

well you know having a figure that

58:28

everybody can have an opinion about Coach

58:31

Kay, right? That's valuable too, right? And

58:33

so he's, he is, um, you know,

58:35

you hate to say it, love him,

58:37

hate him, whatever, you know, but that

58:40

is the figure that he is now.

58:42

And of course, that's all been enhanced

58:44

this season with those moments. But, but

58:47

my point is, he's not any different

58:49

than the guy at Wagner. Like, you

58:51

know, Bobby are there together and they're

58:54

both going crazy on the sidelines, like

58:56

yell at the officials. was playing, Luke

58:58

told me, now I can't remember, but

59:01

that clip, that clip, John Minton, our

59:03

producer, he found that when we did

59:05

the Bob Hurley documentary like eight years

59:07

ago, and then it became kind of

59:10

like the definitive explanation of who these

59:12

guys are together, right? Yes. And so

59:14

we had to bring it back out.

59:17

But again, he was going that crazy

59:19

15 years ago. Wag. But people weren't

59:21

paying attention. And he was also at

59:24

the same time as he talks about

59:26

with us having panic attacks, you know,

59:28

90 minutes before games. And that's another

59:31

element of the story. You know, it's

59:33

not as if what happened in 1993

59:35

and 94 and he, you know, got

59:38

some therapy and there was a nun

59:40

and seat in the hall who really

59:42

helped him was instrumental in the process

59:44

of healing. It's not like it just

59:47

goes away, you know, for 30 years.

59:49

And the way that he talks openly.

59:51

And I think candidly about his struggles

59:54

with mental health and preserving them in

59:56

the way that he has grown, it's...

59:58

It's really rare. I think I tweeted

1:00:01

something the other day, but nobody pays

1:00:03

attention where I tweet, just saying, like,

1:00:05

I've been doing this a long update,

1:00:08

right? Like, I've talked to a lot

1:00:10

of the biggest coaches in the world

1:00:12

and all different sports, like, who talks

1:00:14

about themselves, that kind of honesty and

1:00:17

openness and vulnerability the way that Dan

1:00:19

Hurley does. 100% right? Who? I can't

1:00:21

you know and it used to be

1:00:24

taboo like you said like he would

1:00:26

only tell Bobby how he actually felt

1:00:28

he wouldn't even share that with his

1:00:31

dad or share it with his parents

1:00:33

because like it was such a taboo

1:00:35

thing to do and I do think

1:00:38

he did open the lane for people

1:00:40

to have that conversation and I do

1:00:42

think he did open the lane for

1:00:45

people to have that conversation and I

1:00:47

was there in 2022. They went to

1:00:49

the final four obviously that year, but

1:00:51

standing in the tunnel Jim Calhoun was

1:00:54

talking to a couple people I was

1:00:56

there like kind of in the scrum

1:00:58

as he was talking. He was like

1:01:01

that guy out there, he's gonna figure

1:01:03

it out. you know and he's talking

1:01:05

about Danny and you know and Danny's

1:01:08

out there running to shoot around it

1:01:10

looks like a hard practice you know

1:01:12

how these guys just go around doing

1:01:15

shootarounds and it's just different with him

1:01:17

and I do think the fact that

1:01:19

he has that kind of maniacal approach

1:01:21

but also the mental you know health

1:01:24

aspect of it as well it is

1:01:26

nice to have someone that's such a

1:01:28

maniacic also acknowledged the fact that two

1:01:31

things can exist and they can coexist

1:01:33

and you can be the best version

1:01:35

of yourself if you're just takeaway from

1:01:38

Dan Hillary that I think is a

1:01:40

very positive thing as much as people

1:01:42

want to talk about the the ref

1:01:45

treatment and all sort of stuff. It's

1:01:47

like there are two sides of the

1:01:49

coin there. No, no doubt about it.

1:01:52

And look, you know, I don't condone

1:01:54

the antics, but I'll be honest, they

1:01:56

just don't get me that upset. You

1:01:58

can't hate to keep saying I'm this

1:02:01

old guy, but I've been around a

1:02:03

long time. I saw what it was

1:02:05

like, you know. in the environment of

1:02:08

college basketball, especially, you know, in the

1:02:10

80s and the 90s, when, you know,

1:02:12

everybody, you know, comported those assaults like

1:02:15

that, right? You just didn't have 17

1:02:17

cameras at every game. You didn't have

1:02:19

social media. You didn't have an internet.

1:02:22

But if they had the same kind

1:02:24

of access to every single person in

1:02:26

the arena to cameras that they have

1:02:28

now, when it was... Bayheim and Titino

1:02:31

and it was Massimido and Carnisecca. Right.

1:02:33

I mean, all those guys. Elisimo and

1:02:35

Thompson. We're just talking about one conference,

1:02:38

right? I mean, imagine Pete Carrillo with

1:02:40

the camera on him all the time.

1:02:42

I mean, my gosh. He said, he

1:02:45

Carrillo. Yeah, I was around Pete Carrillo

1:02:47

a lot. Lovely, lovely, lovely guy. But

1:02:49

yes, exactly. And I've also. you know,

1:02:52

doing my job for a long time

1:02:54

covering, you know, for lack of a

1:02:56

better way of putting it the serious

1:02:59

side of sports for a long time,

1:03:01

I've seen the scandals. I've seen, you

1:03:03

know, the stuff, you know, that is

1:03:05

really appalling. If you want to use

1:03:08

a strong word, creating college sports. And

1:03:10

so, you know, again, is it a...

1:03:12

you know this is this is this

1:03:15

is um and he says it in

1:03:17

the piece you know we ask you

1:03:19

about we talk to about but you

1:03:22

know he says you know if the

1:03:24

worst thing you could say about me

1:03:26

is that i lose my mind on

1:03:29

the rest once in a while i

1:03:31

can deal with And I think that's

1:03:33

a very fair approach. The other Hurley

1:03:35

debut Saturday, March 15th, 11 a.m. and

1:03:38

it will be on ESPM Plus afterwards.

1:03:40

Jeremy, I had a couple just personal

1:03:42

questions before we let you go that

1:03:45

are outside of the documentary. I just

1:03:47

wanted to ask you, just journalism-wise. You

1:03:49

know, obviously your dad, Dick Shamp, is,

1:03:52

well, you know, revered journalists. I was

1:03:54

telling you before we got him. I

1:03:56

did the five-star project and one of

1:03:59

his pieces from 1957 basketballs underground railroad

1:04:01

when he was a student at Cornell

1:04:03

He wrote that piece about Howard Garfinkel

1:04:05

It was like it's one of those

1:04:08

pieces I have like you know There's

1:04:10

like a curry Kirk Patrick piece of

1:04:12

Frank to Ford piece like your dad's

1:04:15

piece where I just kind of have

1:04:17

like these are the guiding lights of

1:04:19

like what a journalistic piece looks like

1:04:22

and how to story tell for you

1:04:24

to learn the art of storytelling and

1:04:26

you've done such a good job in

1:04:29

your tissue with your dad and to

1:04:31

learn the art of the craft. I

1:04:33

mean that's what it's all about right

1:04:35

I mean I grew up you know I

1:04:37

feel like I feel like the Hurley boys

1:04:39

you know with Bob that I got

1:04:41

to watch somebody who I thought was

1:04:44

the best in the world at what

1:04:46

he did doing it and you know I

1:04:48

happened to also be interested

1:04:50

in it. Sports and

1:04:52

interested in storytelling which

1:04:55

you know, you're not necessarily

1:04:57

going to be. You could

1:04:59

you could have other interests.

1:05:01

I was more limited. And

1:05:04

so, you know, when I think

1:05:06

about, you know, my childhood

1:05:08

and, you know, he's he's writing

1:05:10

stories about Ali and

1:05:12

he's writing books with Seaver

1:05:15

and Nameth and Jerry Kramer

1:05:17

and he's doing these, you

1:05:19

know, masterful stories for

1:05:21

ABC and for 2020 and

1:05:24

for the Olympics. And I,

1:05:26

you know, I spent a lot of

1:05:28

my time with him at the office,

1:05:30

you know, watching him do his work

1:05:32

out in the field. So it was

1:05:34

really like an internship for

1:05:37

my whole childhood. And, you

1:05:39

know, I'm just fortunate that I've

1:05:41

been able to, you know, be

1:05:43

in this business for a long

1:05:45

time. At least... you know, trying

1:05:47

to work in the same idiom,

1:05:49

not doing it as well, but

1:05:51

trying to tell stories and

1:05:54

to be fair about it

1:05:56

and to be entertaining and

1:05:58

to have some respect. language.

1:06:00

Yeah, there was always like, you know,

1:06:02

outside of the lines, it was like,

1:06:04

you know, they're gonna send you to

1:06:07

like the hardest, most difficult, you know,

1:06:09

story to go tell. And I always

1:06:11

appreciated that you would always get into

1:06:13

the weeds, get into the mud and

1:06:15

try to come back with something where

1:06:18

we could understand comprehend. And I always

1:06:20

felt bad for you too that they

1:06:22

would send you to like, you know,

1:06:24

the World Cup and, you know, all

1:06:27

this crazy. I really feel like, so

1:06:29

I'm 55, I started working at ESBana

1:06:31

1993, I'd been out of school for

1:06:33

two years. And if I had had

1:06:36

a crystal ball, right, to pick one

1:06:38

place over the next 30 plus years

1:06:40

where I could do the work that

1:06:42

I would be proud of, that I

1:06:45

was interested in, where I would have

1:06:47

the resources to go around the world

1:06:49

and do those kinds of stories, there

1:06:51

would have been only one place, right?

1:06:54

And I've worked with. great producers and

1:06:56

great crews and great executives and and

1:06:58

I just you know I I've been

1:07:00

very fortunate and obviously I'm a Nepo

1:07:02

baby and I've had a lot of

1:07:05

onshore and a lot of privilege you

1:07:07

know I just hope that you know

1:07:09

in all seriousness that that I I

1:07:11

didn't squander those opportunities. No, you didn't.

1:07:14

I still remember and I mean, obviously

1:07:16

you won the I believe in in

1:07:18

me for it, but the Bobby Fisher

1:07:20

story when you went out there and

1:07:23

you know, that was another thing where

1:07:25

it was like the the connection with

1:07:27

your dad where he had known him

1:07:29

and covered him and like that was

1:07:32

a great example of like a and

1:07:34

yeah the Bobby Fisher story and that

1:07:36

was that was 20 years ago that

1:07:38

might have been around 20 years ago

1:07:40

today wow that was it that was

1:07:43

a special one and it's interesting too

1:07:45

right because you know this tape we're

1:07:47

taught you know it's not about you

1:07:49

you know try to use the first

1:07:52

person as little as possible and and

1:07:54

look you know some of the ground

1:07:56

underneath my feet in this business over

1:07:58

the last 30 years has shifted away

1:08:01

from that and and I think maybe

1:08:03

to my own detriment I've I've you

1:08:05

know I've stuck to it. No, you're

1:08:07

right though, like it's completely flipped now,

1:08:10

where it's like, it's I, me, my,

1:08:12

you know, I mean, that's, those are

1:08:14

the three words you use. It's still,

1:08:16

it's still hard for me, but at

1:08:18

the same time, much of the most

1:08:21

memorable stuff I've ever done, you know,

1:08:23

goes back to those personal connections. And

1:08:25

so there's, you know, there's, there's some

1:08:27

wisdom there too, because that story was

1:08:30

about my father and his connection to

1:08:32

this kid, Bobby, U.S. chess champion, right?

1:08:34

When he's 12, right? Or a grandmaster

1:08:36

when he's 12, whatever it was. And

1:08:39

then to see what happened. And again,

1:08:41

I'm standing there, you know, for your

1:08:43

listeners, yours who don't know, you know,

1:08:45

this press conference in Iceland. And I'm

1:08:48

just trying to do a story about

1:08:50

Bobby Fisher, the guy who disappeared, the

1:08:52

greatest chess player ever. And he keeps

1:08:54

bringing it back to this personal element

1:08:57

of our story, or his story with

1:08:59

my father. That's what people remember. So

1:09:01

maybe I was wrong all these years.

1:09:03

Maybe my doubt is or maybe it

1:09:05

really is about you know And that's

1:09:08

what people want. Yeah, and sometimes like

1:09:10

It did feel like you know, it

1:09:12

was just one of those things where

1:09:14

you're trying to tell a true story

1:09:17

a real story and it is I

1:09:19

mean Bobby Fisher is one of the

1:09:21

most fascinating stories in American sports history

1:09:23

just because of you know, like you

1:09:26

said 12 year old grandmaster and then

1:09:28

like has this huge match and then

1:09:30

never plays again for 20 years and

1:09:32

basically disappears and turns into a bigot

1:09:35

right before our very eyes right I

1:09:37

mean it's a it's a interesting weird

1:09:39

strange thing and you went and faced

1:09:41

it head-on so just You know, I,

1:09:43

at the risk of sounding like a

1:09:46

ridiculous company man, but I was thinking

1:09:48

about, you know, I've thought about this,

1:09:50

right? So that all happens though, because,

1:09:52

you know, I was working at a

1:09:55

place that had the resources at the

1:09:57

drop of a hat to send five

1:09:59

people, four people, actually. It was a

1:10:01

two-man crew, John Melshewski, Aaron Fruitman, and

1:10:04

the producer, John Fish and me, to

1:10:06

Iceland, in 2005, before everybody went to

1:10:08

a day from the United States from

1:10:10

the United States. Literally, we call one

1:10:13

of our bosses to say Bobby Fisher's

1:10:15

been released from prison in Japan. He's

1:10:17

going to get to Iceland. He might

1:10:19

hold a press conference. That's probably going

1:10:22

to be our last shot ever to

1:10:24

talk to this guy. Wow. They just

1:10:26

said, go. I don't know if that

1:10:28

happens anywhere in the world anymore in

1:10:30

journalism. And back 20 years ago, ESPN

1:10:33

might have been the only place that

1:10:35

did. Yeah, and that's a that's kind

1:10:37

of like how quickly all this has

1:10:39

shifted in the media and you've been

1:10:42

there like you said throughout the entire

1:10:44

journey of it all but I'm very

1:10:46

excited to watch this documentary I'm excited

1:10:48

to see Dan Hurley and you mentioned

1:10:51

the personal side of it I mean

1:10:53

Dan is very similar to you where

1:10:55

it's like you had a father who

1:10:57

was doing the craft and you learned

1:11:00

the craft and like your goals you

1:11:02

know what I mean so even if

1:11:04

it wasn't personal it's a personal connective

1:11:06

tissue there so I do. you know

1:11:08

do appreciate that March Madness last thing

1:11:11

before we let you go do you

1:11:13

have a team this year in March

1:11:15

Madness that you really like are you

1:11:17

do are you just one of those

1:11:20

guys where you're just like look I

1:11:22

hope both teams play hard Rashid Wallace

1:11:24

status and they have a good game

1:11:26

no that's not really it really is

1:11:29

that I just haven't been as invested

1:11:31

in the college game as a fan

1:11:33

as I was you know back when

1:11:35

I was covering this we need Cornell

1:11:38

back But they're on the upswing, right?

1:11:40

I think they're playing better. Right? Yep.

1:11:42

Yeah, you know, but that Donahue team

1:11:44

with Whitman, I mean, that was great.

1:11:47

I guess, you know, who knows what

1:11:49

happens. I guess, you know, it's all

1:11:51

about, and my father was this way,

1:11:53

he never had teams, but he had

1:11:55

the people he liked. Yeah. I like

1:11:58

Dan. And I like that story too

1:12:00

right now. That would be great. I

1:12:02

would love to see Dan. I know

1:12:04

he doesn't want to be an eight

1:12:07

or a nine seat, but I would

1:12:09

love the idea of Dan being an

1:12:11

eight or a nine, winning that game,

1:12:13

getting a second round match up with

1:12:16

an all-burn or with a Duke, or

1:12:18

you know, one of these one-seats, and

1:12:20

just let Dan Hurley show, hey, I'm

1:12:22

still here. You know, I think that

1:12:25

would be fun in on that fact.

1:12:27

We need Dan. We need Dan. There

1:12:29

you have it. Jeremy Schaaf, we appreciate

1:12:31

you coming on the show. You're welcome

1:12:33

any time. You're officially stamped now as

1:12:36

a friend of the program and we

1:12:38

will be watching the other hurley on

1:12:40

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1:12:42

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1:13:41

There you have it Jeremy Shapp appreciate

1:13:43

Shapp coming on the show and again

1:13:45

I told him told him this off

1:13:47

the air But I mean his dad

1:13:50

that piece that he wrote the basketball's

1:13:52

underground railroad back in 1957 That was

1:13:54

very important to the five-star project that

1:13:56

we did. So I appreciate Richard Shab

1:13:58

Dick Shapp for making that happen and

1:14:01

telling that story all the way back

1:14:03

in the day. And Jeremy Schaaf, we

1:14:05

appreciate him trying to break down and

1:14:07

make sense of who Dan Hurley is.

1:14:10

Jeremy Schaaf, he's locked in, he's a

1:14:12

friend of the program. So I'm sure

1:14:14

we'll have him back as he does

1:14:16

more stories focusing in on the human

1:14:19

interest aspects of what's happening in. He's

1:14:21

a friend of the program. So I'm

1:14:23

sure we'll have him back as he

1:14:25

does more stories focusing in on the

1:14:28

human-bias and objective. of the Blue Devils.

1:14:30

Congratulations. Me personally, John

1:14:32

Shire. He should be national coach of

1:14:34

the year, right? That's what you should

1:14:36

say now, he's the best coach in

1:14:39

the country. So we'll put that out,

1:14:41

maybe they can quote that, and the

1:14:43

Duke account can put that out and

1:14:45

say, hey, someone else is defending us.

1:14:48

But Duke again, AP number one, kind

1:14:50

of shocking for Auburn to not finish,

1:14:52

but Duke again, AP number one, kind

1:14:55

of shocking for Auburn to not finish

1:14:57

the season, it's the AP number one,

1:14:59

kind of shocking for Auburn to not

1:15:01

finish, Billself has finished a season unranked

1:15:04

since he coached at Tulsa. So crazy

1:15:06

that Kansas is unranked for the first

1:15:08

time since 2000, but it goes back

1:15:10

to whenever Kansas is preseason number one,

1:15:12

things go bad. We said that at

1:15:14

the start of the season. I think

1:15:17

we have to highlight that again for

1:15:19

the future. Anytime that Kansas is the

1:15:21

preseason number one, things are going to

1:15:23

go bad. I still like them as

1:15:25

like a six seed, seven seed. That's

1:15:27

a tough seven seed to face. You

1:15:29

know, Kansas is a really good team

1:15:32

and 100 Dickens that had his

1:15:34

best game of the season on

1:15:36

the way out on Saturday. So

1:15:38

that's encouraging news for the Jayhawks.

1:15:40

Maybe they can get, you know,

1:15:43

a nice little, you know, run

1:15:45

there as a Cinderella. We'll see

1:15:47

what happens. Shout out to Stephen

1:15:49

Curry. has accepted a role with

1:15:52

his alma mater Davidson as assistant

1:15:54

general manager for the basketball program.

1:15:56

This is both for the men's

1:15:58

and the women. So Stephen Curry.

1:16:00

is officially the assistant G.M. So we

1:16:02

got Woe just St. Bonavichers, we got

1:16:05

Stephen Curry as the assistant GM at

1:16:07

Davidson. So these are the biggest stars

1:16:09

in the NBA, and they are basically

1:16:11

like second fiddle characters in college basketball.

1:16:13

So if you want to wonder which

1:16:15

one is better, which one is better,

1:16:17

which one is better, there you have

1:16:19

at college basketball, we're top dogs right

1:16:21

now. And I love to see Stephen

1:16:24

Curry coming back to Davidson. It's real,

1:16:26

it's happening, and again, shout out to

1:16:28

Stephen Curry. Shout out to David Warlock,

1:16:30

who handles all the NCAA media requests,

1:16:32

he is in charge of basically all

1:16:34

of the media that happened. Got me

1:16:36

late this year, thank you. Yeah, got

1:16:38

you, and shout out to David, man,

1:16:41

and shout out to David Warlock, and

1:16:43

as well. He got you, and shout

1:16:45

out to David Warlock, and as well,

1:16:47

he got you, and shout out to

1:16:49

David Warlock, and he got you. And

1:16:51

shout out to David, and shout out

1:16:53

to David Warlock, he, he, he, he

1:16:55

got you, he got you, he got

1:16:57

you, and shout out, he got you,

1:17:00

he got you, he got you, and

1:17:02

shout out, and shout out, and shout

1:17:04

out, and shout out, and shout out

1:17:06

to David Warlock, and shout out, he

1:17:08

got, and shout out, and shout out,

1:17:10

and shout out, and shout out, and

1:17:12

shout out, and shout out, and shout

1:17:14

out, and shout out, this sport is

1:17:16

so good and I do think we

1:17:19

have to remind people of this because

1:17:21

March madness is so good that people

1:17:23

have fallen into the trap of like

1:17:25

I don't have to worry about anything

1:17:27

else but there's such good basketball happening

1:17:29

all the time and speaking of such

1:17:31

good basketball happening all the time Friday

1:17:33

night if you didn't watch this game

1:17:36

dating all the time Friday night if

1:17:38

you didn't watch this game Dayton VCU

1:17:40

was a back and forth affair high

1:17:42

level coaching Anthony Grant versus Ryan Odom

1:17:44

and just a great 8-in showdown. I

1:17:46

love the 8-in. I just got a

1:17:48

soft spot for him in this game.

1:17:50

Checked every single box between between Dayton,

1:17:52

VCU, and Furman, Wofford like I mean

1:17:55

obviously Alabama, Auburn, Duke, Carolina, whatever you

1:17:57

could throw those into but like Dayton

1:17:59

VCU, Furman, Wofford were great games this

1:18:01

weekend and if you just watch those

1:18:03

you're a true college basketball. Shout out

1:18:05

to the guy that tweeted us who

1:18:07

was there I think he was early

1:18:09

and he was just like it was

1:18:11

like almost an empty gym and he

1:18:14

was like thanks for adding it because

1:18:16

I'm here so shout for that guy.

1:18:18

He's locked in shout out we appreciate

1:18:20

that shout out to Rutgers this is

1:18:22

just a Chris Corso who's friend of

1:18:24

the program he's their assistant athletic director

1:18:26

he tweeted this I just thought this

1:18:28

was a great note it just feels

1:18:30

like a very big 10 set of

1:18:33

the day 15 Rutgers home games at

1:18:35

Jersey Mike's arena welcomed 300 total credentialed

1:18:37

NBA scouts an average of 20 scouts

1:18:39

per game most in the country this

1:18:41

season so it's great shout out shout

1:18:43

out to Rutgers they led the country

1:18:45

and scout attendance so that's always a

1:18:47

good thing we love to see that

1:18:50

Shout out to the Summit Showstopper. He's

1:18:52

not going to be in the Insublay

1:18:54

tournament, but he is the highest scorer

1:18:56

in college basketball this season. If you

1:18:58

don't know the name, maybe you'll know

1:19:00

it soon, like in the G League

1:19:02

or something, I don't know. Tracing Eagle

1:19:04

staff, 51 points for rebounds for assists.

1:19:06

He plays for rebounds for assists. He

1:19:09

plays for North Dakota, incredible performance. That

1:19:11

happened randomly. in the Summit League tournament

1:19:13

with a team that's not even going

1:19:15

to make the NCAA tournament, but Tracy

1:19:17

Eagle staff, you deserve some love, you

1:19:19

deserve a shout out. Shout out to

1:19:21

the Botino's, this is my favorite graphic

1:19:23

of the weekend, like father, like son,

1:19:25

Rick Botino, 2024, Big East, Regular Season

1:19:28

Champion, Richard Botino, 2024, Mountain West, Regular

1:19:30

Season Champions, and you know, excited to

1:19:32

see what both those teams. do in

1:19:34

their respective tournaments. We talked about the

1:19:36

St. John's shot, obviously, but I wanted

1:19:38

to give Cadari Richmond some love as

1:19:40

well. First St. John's player with a

1:19:42

triple double since Ron Art Test in

1:19:45

1999. Richmond at 10 points, 12 rebounds,

1:19:47

11 assists, 12 rebounds, 11 assists. He

1:19:49

kind of just does it all. And

1:19:51

again, he had that huge steel late

1:19:53

to get the ball to Wilter who

1:19:55

then makes the pass the Zubi. So

1:19:57

he starts the domino effect that I

1:19:59

ultimately wins the game for St. John.

1:20:01

at St. John's in 1999 and how

1:20:04

he ended up at St. John's and

1:20:06

how he got recruited there and everything

1:20:08

and like he was a special player.

1:20:10

A lot of people, I mean obviously

1:20:12

Elton Brand was the no-brainer, number one

1:20:14

pick in 1999, but Ron Artes went

1:20:16

15. needs in that draft and like

1:20:18

there's a lot of people that would

1:20:20

argue that Ronald test should have been

1:20:23

the second pick or potentially in competition

1:20:25

for the first pick. That's how talented

1:20:27

he was. So. just saying that I

1:20:29

do feel like this St. John's team

1:20:31

with the R. J. Lewis and a

1:20:33

Cadari Richmond. I think there's some NBA

1:20:35

players that are on this team that

1:20:37

are kind of hiding and playing sight,

1:20:40

especially R. J. Lewis. I think he's

1:20:42

an NBA player. So I don't know.

1:20:44

I'm just like when I saw that

1:20:46

call back to 1999, I was like

1:20:48

that St. John's team, people almost underrated

1:20:50

some of the talent on that team

1:20:52

and might be happening again with this.

1:20:54

I don't know, maybe I do need

1:20:56

another year. You know what I mean?

1:20:59

He's like maybe, maybe I'm not done

1:21:01

coaching and it was the first, I

1:21:03

could just feel Eman Brennan like watching

1:21:05

that like with a chill going down

1:21:07

his spine. But there was also a

1:21:09

funny meme that came out of that

1:21:11

game. It's like Mike Woodson looking shocked

1:21:13

like at a call, but right behind

1:21:15

him there's a man with like a

1:21:18

VR. Have you seen this meme? What

1:21:20

is that? Yeah, what is going on?

1:21:22

I don't know, just like the Mike

1:21:24

Woods in shadow is really him saying

1:21:26

like he doesn't know if he wants

1:21:28

to be done coaching, but the meme

1:21:30

itself was also just another ridiculous moment.

1:21:32

In the world of college basketball, there

1:21:34

was a lot that was happening. I

1:21:37

mentioned Bennet Stearts before, but I just

1:21:39

wanted to say this again. In 31

1:21:41

games in D1 this year, Bennet Stearts

1:21:43

is averaging over 40 minutes a game

1:21:45

because Drake has played five overtime games

1:21:47

and he played all five minutes. So

1:21:49

he is averaging more minutes per game

1:21:51

than actual minutes in a game. So

1:21:54

Bennet starts, I mean, just an absolute

1:21:56

stud. So I wanted to give him

1:21:58

some love and make sure that everybody

1:22:00

knows that he is really that guy.

1:22:02

Also, a couple more shout-out, shout to

1:22:04

Jay Lucas, he is going to the

1:22:06

U. He's officially there at Miami. That

1:22:08

was also a big part of Dukes.

1:22:10

win on Saturday. It did feel like

1:22:13

that was their send off to Jay

1:22:15

Lucas, especially with the way they played

1:22:17

defense. He's their defensive coordinator. So Duke,

1:22:19

their defense stepped up late in that

1:22:21

game. They did it in honor. Jay

1:22:23

Lucas and Jay Lucas. Now, the head

1:22:25

coach in Miami, the other head coach

1:22:27

in Miami, the other head coach down

1:22:29

there in the ACC, the other head

1:22:32

coach in Miami. The other head coach

1:22:34

down there in the ACC, the other

1:22:36

head coach down to the figured it

1:22:38

out and the last shout out college

1:22:40

basketball related Dan Hurley said this on

1:22:42

60 minutes again you're gonna watch the

1:22:44

other Hurley on Saturday and watch Jamie

1:22:46

Shabb but Dan Hurley went on 60

1:22:49

minutes on Sunday and he said that

1:22:51

he believes 50% of his roster is

1:22:53

considering the portal so Dan Hurley is

1:22:55

just trying to put an emphasis on

1:22:57

what's going on here in college basketball

1:22:59

because he's like right now It's insane

1:23:01

that I have a team that's going

1:23:03

to play for me in two tournaments

1:23:05

and 50% of them are already looking

1:23:08

at playing for different schools are already

1:23:10

looking at playing for different schools next

1:23:12

season That's the world looking at different

1:23:14

schools next season. That's the world we

1:23:16

live in today's college basketball, but again.

1:23:18

I appreciate Dan Hurley highlighting the fact

1:23:20

that's the perfect place for shout-out This

1:23:22

was an S-I article and you don't

1:23:24

see too many of those worth clicking

1:23:27

on nowadays, but this is titled College

1:23:29

Basketball's Overlook Gym Turns 100. It's Fordham's

1:23:31

Rose Hill Gym. It is the oldest

1:23:33

on-campus arena division one basketball. It was

1:23:35

an army barracks. Lou Alsinders for you

1:23:37

know a final high school game before

1:23:39

Karima Abdul Jabbar is an army barracks

1:23:41

in 1943. It was the set for

1:23:44

the music video What's Love for Fat

1:23:46

Joe and Ashanti. The Beach Boys Simon

1:23:48

and Garfunkel... I get their voice I

1:23:50

can't even do it. Yeah shout out

1:23:52

to Ashanti though what a banger song.

1:23:54

The Ramones in 1984 Paul Simon returned

1:23:56

at 75 to the S&L sketch which

1:23:58

I haven't seen but apparently it's famous

1:24:00

where he played 101 to... against Connie

1:24:03

Hawkins. Oh yeah, yeah. Denzel Washington played

1:24:05

there, obviously. Mike Green was calling shots.

1:24:07

That's where he started his bang when

1:24:09

he was a student there. So, uh,

1:24:11

shot the Fordham, the Rams, man. They're

1:24:13

like, they renovated it. They renovated

1:24:15

it in 2022, I believe. So

1:24:18

they are planning on keeping it.

1:24:20

Brad Stevens loved it from when

1:24:22

he was coaching Butler, I believe.

1:24:24

And he just said, I love Rose Hill

1:24:26

Gymnasium. I think it's one of the neatest

1:24:28

places I've ever coached. I played in a

1:24:30

3,000 seat gym in Zionsville, Indiana that was

1:24:32

later torn down. That was straight out of

1:24:34

the movie Hoosiers. And that's kind of what

1:24:36

I was reminded of when I walked in

1:24:38

there. I'm a huge fan. And their AD

1:24:40

says he's planning on it being there another

1:24:42

50 years. So they're going to keep it

1:24:44

out of you. I'm going to say that's

1:24:46

the idea. I like the quote, but maybe

1:24:48

just say 100. You know what I mean?

1:24:50

Like saying 50 feels like you got some

1:24:52

other plans. You know what I mean?

1:24:55

Just say we'll be here another

1:24:57

100 years. I don't know. The

1:24:59

place built in 1925, you wonder

1:25:01

about the structural integrity of everything. Maybe

1:25:03

50 is the right number. Maybe 50 is

1:25:05

the right number. Maybe 50 is the right.

1:25:07

Maybe 50 is the right. Those are all

1:25:09

you got, Kyle? Those are all the shadows.

1:25:12

I got one. Micron wants to

1:25:14

burn the net, but what else?

1:25:16

I know. Micron wants to burn

1:25:18

down everything in his wake. So

1:25:20

shout out to Micron. I got

1:25:22

one like pop culture, you know,

1:25:25

just free game, fun shout-out. Someone

1:25:27

tweeted us about Sarah Bach, you

1:25:29

know, just free game, fun shout-out.

1:25:31

Someone tweeted us about Sarah Bach,

1:25:33

who is Miss Wong on the

1:25:35

show, and how she's from Raleigh,

1:25:37

North Carolina, and you know, and

1:25:40

Carolina, and you know. I'm flying

1:25:42

back to Raleigh North Carolina, RDU, shout out

1:25:44

to the great airport in North Carolina. As

1:25:46

I'm sitting there at the terminal, I'm just

1:25:48

on my iPad and I'm just like, you

1:25:50

know, doing notes, I'm doing my team sheets

1:25:53

for the Instantly tournament, just having some fun,

1:25:55

but there's a dad next to me. Nice

1:25:57

guy, he's talking to an acting coach, right?

1:25:59

And he's. talking about his daughter who was

1:26:01

just on Jimmy Kimmel last night and like

1:26:03

how it was such a great thing and

1:26:05

all sort of stuff and I'm just sitting

1:26:07

there I'm trying not to eavesdrop it so

1:26:09

much but I'm like who like and they're

1:26:12

talking about the show and how like the

1:26:14

show has so many like you know people

1:26:16

online on read it trying to figure out

1:26:18

what's going to happen there's so many conspiracy

1:26:20

theories and now I'm sitting there and I'm

1:26:22

saying to myself there's only one show that

1:26:24

would have that kind of you know general

1:26:26

conversation right I mean maybe paradise on Hulu

1:26:28

but generally speaking I'm like this has to

1:26:30

be severance I look up Jimmy came alive

1:26:32

from last night guess who's on it Sarah

1:26:34

Bach who is Miss Wong. So sitting right

1:26:36

next to me, all my flight to already

1:26:38

you is Sarah Boxedad. And anyway, so I

1:26:41

got to meet Miss Wong's dad and you

1:26:43

know, basically. You broke in? You broke into

1:26:45

the conversation. What did you do? They were

1:26:47

like having like a general thing and then

1:26:49

they were like getting up and you know,

1:26:51

I was just kind of sitting there and

1:26:53

I was just like, hey, you know, just

1:26:55

want to say like big fan, you know,

1:26:57

like big fan, you know. right so he's

1:26:59

not like oh this guy now it's no

1:27:01

no they were like he was like very

1:27:03

like and you know I was trying to

1:27:05

I wasn't gonna say anything but like they

1:27:07

were they had another person like go up

1:27:10

and say you know what I mean like

1:27:12

the the bridge had already kind of been

1:27:14

broken but anyways I just wanted to be

1:27:16

like Sarah Bach miss Wong two years now

1:27:18

that guy's gonna be like once you mind

1:27:20

your own business but you caught him at

1:27:22

the right time and I call him at

1:27:24

the right time and I tell him that

1:27:26

I do a tell him that I do

1:27:28

a show him that I do a show

1:27:30

him that I do a show him that

1:27:32

I do a show him that I do

1:27:34

a show him that I do a show

1:27:36

him that I do a show him that

1:27:39

I do a show him that I do

1:27:41

a show him that I do a show

1:27:43

him that I do a show him that

1:27:45

I do a show him that I do

1:27:47

a show him that I do a show

1:27:49

him that I do a show him that

1:27:51

I do a show him that I do

1:27:53

a show him that I do a show

1:27:55

him That's gonna be too far. But yeah,

1:27:57

so shout out to Severance. It's connected to

1:27:59

North Carolina. I love to see that. And

1:28:01

right now, if you're a fan of television,

1:28:03

the three programs that you should be locked

1:28:06

in on, in my opinion, Severance, Thursday nights,

1:28:08

Friday nights, depending on when you watch. Severance,

1:28:10

Thursday nights, Friday nights, depending on when you

1:28:12

watch them. White Lotus finally had a good

1:28:14

episode on Sunday, like, finally an episode that

1:28:16

like, like, I'm watching. Jimstones, that pilot of

1:28:18

the final season. that doesn't win an Emmy

1:28:20

or at least get nominated and Danny McBride

1:28:22

directed it then I don't know what we're

1:28:24

doing and I'm so happy that the watch

1:28:26

at Danny McBride on you and I where

1:28:28

we saw your first time out in Los

1:28:30

Angeles we went to the vice principals premiere

1:28:32

and saw Danny McBride and Walton Goggins and

1:28:35

to see kind of where they are now

1:28:37

is incredible but but I thought my life

1:28:39

was going to be so different when that

1:28:41

was the first day of my existence I

1:28:43

was like this is what it's like? We

1:28:45

went out you like went to go like

1:28:47

smoking cigarette out back and like Danny McBride

1:28:49

and Walton Goggins were also smoking cigarettes and

1:28:51

you and I were just standing there were

1:28:53

like this is our life look at us

1:28:55

future A-listers everybody's gonna know us future stars

1:28:57

had no idea how things would change but

1:28:59

you know shout out to those guys I

1:29:01

also shout to Andy Greenwold and Chris Ryan

1:29:04

for like promoting Danny McBride and roughhouse pictures

1:29:06

like that's my favorite production crew production crew

1:29:08

I think the college basketball of HBO shows

1:29:10

I mean it is true, like it is

1:29:12

like so disrespect, like even Bradley Cooper, like

1:29:14

I saw McBride was telling the story about

1:29:16

Bradley Cooper when they sent him the script

1:29:18

and he's like, to be honest, I've never

1:29:20

watched the Rice of Shimstones and dude, but

1:29:22

I was like, cool, I've never seen Mystro,

1:29:24

you know what I mean? Like. that that

1:29:26

that does feel like righteous himself like all

1:29:28

Danny McBride properties are kind of treated as

1:29:30

like the little brother of HIV like you

1:29:33

know HBO's prestige TV but yeah if you

1:29:35

really look at it and you see kind

1:29:37

of what the storytelling that he's done whether

1:29:39

it's vice-bound whether it's vice principles whether it's

1:29:41

righteous Jimstones I mean it's all very special

1:29:43

in its own way and you know obviously

1:29:45

I'm from the South so like I appreciate

1:29:47

the Danny McBride can like make like make

1:29:49

fun in a you know These are the

1:29:51

things that Dana McBride has been able to

1:29:53

do. So I'm just happy to see like

1:29:55

the people that do the awards and the

1:29:57

people that are into like the Art House

1:30:00

vantage point are now buying in on the

1:30:02

righteous gemstones. And I think that first episode

1:30:04

was special. And I really am excited to

1:30:06

see what this season does and I can't

1:30:08

wait to see. Uncle Baby Billy back on

1:30:10

the screen, but those three shows, that would

1:30:12

be my big advice as far as entertainment

1:30:14

on the way out. I mean, obviously, college

1:30:16

basketball, watch all the games, but when the

1:30:18

games are done, put on either Severance White

1:30:20

Lotus or the righteous Jimstones, and you're gonna

1:30:22

be in a good spot. So that would

1:30:24

be my big three pitch of the day

1:30:26

to everybody out there. And Kyle, I know

1:30:29

you're locked in as well. And so everybody,

1:30:31

you know, stay tuned in, we appreciate tuned

1:30:33

in. We appreciate you. for locking in on

1:30:35

all things college basketball. This is one shot

1:30:37

in podcast. We've got a lot of shows

1:30:39

playing for March. We got Friday's show, a

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very fun one, we got Kevin Connors coming

1:30:43

on the show to get us up to

1:30:45

speed on the, he'll be live from the

1:30:47

Big 12 tournament, we'll also talk about the

1:30:49

mid-major teams that he really likes. We're gonna

1:30:51

have Gordon Hayward come on the show, one

1:30:53

of March's ultimate Cinderella men, and he is

1:30:55

going to explain to us why he thinks.

1:30:58

on Sunday, we got the selection Sunday show,

1:31:00

reaction show, myself, Stephen Ruiz and Jay Cowman

1:31:02

will be doing that. On Monday, we're gonna

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have Eman Brennan come on the show and

1:31:06

do a deep dive on the tournament. On

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Tuesday, we're gonna do a betting guide to

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the tournament with Anthony Dubundo and the great.

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And then we're gonna be doing reaction shows

1:31:14

every day after the tournament games Thursday, Friday,

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Saturday, Sunday, and then we'll have a show

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on Tuesday. So like. If you're a fan

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of college basketball, we're going to be ultimately

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locked in. We're going to be reacting live

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to everything. And we're going to be, like

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I said, just running through guest throughout this

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entire month of March. So we appreciate everybody

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locked in and tuning in to One Shining

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Podcast, and we will see you later in

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the week. Thanks

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