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I'm I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome

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to to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I

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believe that one of the most

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Deepak Chopra says he's

1:27

meditated every day the the

1:29

past He years. He

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began this spiritual practice while a

1:34

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1:36

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what's going to happen to me, you,

14:02

all of us, joining in this force

14:04

of a 21-day abundance meditation challenge? You

14:07

will create a consciousness that will change

14:09

the way you think, the way you

14:11

feel, the way you behave, the way

14:14

you socially interact, your personal relationships, all

14:16

in the direction. of abundance consciousness. That

14:18

is what is going to happen to

14:21

us at the end of this 21

14:23

days. And you're actually doing it by

14:25

your brain. Okay, one of our Facebook

14:28

friends, Liz Kay, wants to know, is

14:30

there a better time of the day

14:32

to do it? Ideally speaking, in the

14:35

morning, because you had a restful night,

14:37

hopefully, and when you do meditation, then

14:39

it actually energizes you. If you're tired,

14:42

then it'll put you to sleep. Okay,

14:44

because that's what you need. So, early

14:46

in the morning, and then late in

14:49

the afternoon, about four, five o'clock, but

14:51

definitely before your evening meal. Yeah, we

14:53

have a little tone that goes around

14:55

the building here. Nine o'clock, we do

14:58

it? Five o'clock. There you are. That's

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perfect. How much time do you do

15:02

it? Do you set aside? Well, again,

15:05

this is for me. It's not for

15:07

the world, because... I have a different

15:09

life. I meditate two hours in the

15:12

morning. Good God! Really? Two hours from

15:14

four to six. Well that is not

15:16

happening here. You meditate from four to

15:19

six? Yeah, I do it. I'm not

15:21

saying everybody should. Well we're not. You

15:23

can meditate 15 to 20 minutes twice

15:26

a day and that's enough. And that's

15:28

enough. Yeah. Okay, does it matter what

15:30

space you're in to do it? No,

15:33

you can be in an airplane, you

15:35

can be in a taxi cab as

15:37

long as you're not driving. You can

15:40

be anywhere. Just like you can think

15:42

or thought anywhere. Yeah. You can meditate.

15:44

You can meditate anywhere. Sharon M. on

15:46

Facebook has a list of quick questions

15:49

and I know many of other people

15:51

have too. She wants to know. Sitting

15:53

versus lying down. Preferably sitting versus lying.

15:56

lying down you

15:58

are likely to fall

16:00

asleep. to fall Ohm

16:03

Ohm or silence? Ohm is better,

16:05

I better, hum, you know, so is the sound

16:07

you know, the so is the

16:09

sound of the breath, you so

16:12

when you inhale you say when you

16:14

when you exhale you say hum,

16:16

so so the on the in

16:18

breath, hum on the out breath.

16:20

That's a fantastic mantra, so

16:22

in the beginning, in the

16:24

hum, mentally, Yes, not

16:26

out loud, loud. Yeah. Okay. Soft

16:29

music or sounds of nature or

16:31

nothing. or nothing? Sounds of of nature,

16:33

soft music are frequently used

16:35

as additional aids and we

16:37

do that do some of

16:39

our some of our You'll see that

16:41

in our 21 that challenge,

16:43

but also also sounds of nature. Deep

16:45

breathing, focused on on the breath or

16:47

not? You observe the breath, don't

16:49

manipulate the breath the breath

16:51

by itself will get

16:53

slower will get slower. and deeper, and at a

16:55

at a certain point when you

16:57

you will stop. We come

16:59

into this life with a breath

17:01

life with a this life we leave this

17:04

life breath, a because we come

17:06

with a thought, a thought, then we

17:08

go back to the source back to the

17:10

deep, Mr. thought. Very deep, Deep.

17:13

Deepak. Okay, that was a

17:15

deep was moment. Okay, I love

17:17

this one. love this the

17:19

thoughts. the thoughts or visualize

17:21

your dreams. dreams. When

17:23

when you're meditating. Do you silence, do you we

17:25

trying to? it? Are we to silence

17:27

the thought is the

17:29

thought, to silence the is the thought Okay, so

17:31

try to silence the

17:33

thought. thought but if you don't do that, then

17:35

the thoughts would just that then the thought but you

17:37

see if you leave them alone. Yeah, but you see

17:40

they start to say to

17:42

themselves, say to nobody's noticing me. noticing

17:44

so you don't try to

17:46

get out. get out of the thought

17:48

because that is a thought by

17:50

itself. But in that moment sometimes it's

17:52

good. it's to notice that

17:54

there they are, all those

17:57

thoughts, yackity yacking your mind, and

17:59

who who is... observer. Because isn't

18:01

that the the to... That's an

18:03

analysis. The awareness of a thought

18:05

is not a thought. sure. It

18:07

cannot be, right? cannot be, right? Right,

18:09

be right. So of it, be aware of

18:11

it. That's all. We'll teach this. try is

18:13

part teach this. This is part

18:15

of our of the is part of Okay.

18:17

Okay. But there was But there was another

18:20

question Yes. Or visualize your your dreams. to

18:22

you want to visualize your dreams,

18:24

do it before meditation. Not

18:26

during meditation, because then you're

18:28

activating the mind. In In meditation

18:30

you want a quiet mind,

18:33

not a turbulent mind, and

18:35

even a positive mind can

18:37

be a turbulent mind. turbulent mind. Even

18:39

a dreamy mind get the dreams out of

18:41

the way. Because when I first go to

18:43

silence myself, go to come up all the then I

18:45

just let him come, all the thoughts. come. just them,

18:47

come. clouds floating across

18:49

the sky. Like clouds floating across the

18:51

sky. And then had the mind has had

18:54

its say. There you go. you go. go.

18:56

you go. Do you immediately just

18:58

go into it though? I do. I would say

19:00

after 40 years. Yeah, you can just

19:02

go I can can see in that place anytime. You

19:04

can. I'm in, I'm now. Well, no, stay

19:06

with me. me. with you, I'm

19:08

with you. I'm witnessing the whole

19:10

thing, us. You're witnessing the

19:12

whole thing. Yeah, both of us.

19:14

whole you have to do those weird

19:16

finger positions? This is what to do wants

19:18

to know, because we've seen, you know,

19:20

people. doing this or doing that

19:23

or very interesting wants the way

19:25

yes cheering him very good these

19:27

finger positions people doing this or movements

19:29

you don't have to do them

19:31

but there's something very interesting

19:33

that happens so for example if

19:35

if I have my hands like

19:37

this my breathing will be

19:40

diaphragmatic if I have my hands

19:42

like this it'll be Like what? Like

19:44

what? Okay. This diaphragmatic,

19:46

at this and if I make a fist,

19:48

it'll all be if I make a

19:50

fist why be here so who why

19:52

people who are angry they make and

19:54

they they don't breathe properly they're

19:56

all breathing from the upper chest upper

19:58

here so yeah. So, they're... Those are advanced

20:01

There are lots of these moodras that accelerate

20:03

what we call we call mind -body

20:05

coordination. We're not We're not teaching them

20:08

right now, but maybe one day

20:10

we will. Should your legs be

20:12

crossed or out straight? straight? The The

20:14

most important thing is you should be should

20:16

be comfortable. So if you're crossing crossing your

20:18

legs and it's bothering you, you're

20:21

not going to be able to

20:23

meditate. to Be comfortable. That's the

20:25

only only rule. What form of meditation

20:27

do you practice? you practice? I meditation. meditation.

20:31

I I call what I which we're going to

20:33

teach, which we're going to

20:35

I practice meditating on the body,

20:38

on the breath, on on mental

20:40

space, breath, on relationships, space, on and

20:42

actually and actually on

20:44

the on the origins. and Of

20:46

course you do. Of course

20:48

you do. Tell Tell me do you

20:50

you think the world is doing right

20:52

now? right now? There are two things that

20:54

are happening in the world. in the world.

20:57

a lot of chaos, chaos, there's a

20:59

lot of of war. war,

21:01

racism, ethnocentrism,

21:04

global warming, radical global

21:06

warming, radical

21:08

poverty, look social injustice. So if

21:10

you want to look at that,

21:12

going to say, you would enough Yeah,

21:14

I was going to say that's

21:16

enough not to get out

21:18

of meditate. But then But then there's

21:20

something else happening. And it's happening

21:22

right now. you see, You see, because

21:24

what we are seeing now through

21:26

this that through this interaction, conversation

21:28

are changing the conversation and we

21:30

are using networks, and you have to ask them,

21:33

networks, and you have to

21:35

ask them, what are these social

21:37

networks? They're the extensions of

21:39

our mind. the They're the extensions

21:41

of our brain. Like now? Right

21:43

now. we are in 120 different different countries.

21:45

We are rewiring the global brain,

21:47

literally, through cyberspace. You You can't

21:49

see these cable channels, but

21:51

they are, they're going through this

21:53

air, and they're and they're also going

21:55

through cable channels. They're bouncing

21:57

off the of the But if you

21:59

if you understand... that we we call our mind is

22:01

actually an embodied, it's in embodied, it's

22:03

in our body, it's through relationship,

22:05

process that is regulating the that is

22:08

regulating the energy and

22:10

information This in the world.

22:12

This definition, by the way,

22:14

comes from a UCLA

22:16

psychotherapist, Siegel, who says says the

22:18

mind is regulating energy and

22:20

information in the ecosystem

22:22

that we call we call the

22:25

And so with what we're

22:27

doing, doing. and the cyber space and

22:29

social net. networks, we're rewiring the

22:31

brain for a more peaceful,

22:33

just, sustainable, healthy, happy world. And...

22:35

That's what we're all doing right

22:37

now. Right now. Right now. You're of us

22:39

who are in community around the world

22:41

at the same time listening to you

22:43

having this time, listening to

22:45

you, That's what we're doing. Yes. And you

22:48

know the data shows this we're I'm not

22:50

making this up. the The best way to

22:52

get rid of your enemy is to

22:54

increase their capacity for happiness. of your enemy.

22:56

Yes. Yes. well-being. So we can

22:58

we can do that the

23:00

the world, the make the

23:02

solving ways of solving conflicts So you've

23:04

written, I've got a lost count

23:06

of how many books you've written. books been

23:08

in this written, this work this

23:10

trying to lift people's consciousness

23:12

to get them to see

23:14

their lives differently them quite

23:16

some time now. What is

23:19

it you most time now. What is it

23:21

the urgency to say. to

23:23

say to people, have have them no?

23:25

sure. I'd say say

23:28

that we a crossroads. It's our

23:30

our choice, right this

23:32

moment. Mahat Gandhi said, said... You

23:34

have have to be the change you want to

23:36

see in the world. So one of the of the other

23:38

things that... it it always been so,

23:40

though? mean, is mean, is it any different

23:42

than it was during the transcendental's Is

23:44

it Is it any different than it is it is.

23:46

they had the had the technology, they

23:48

wouldn't, know opera has the

23:51

technology They didn't have the technology

23:53

Yeah, we can definitely reach

23:55

the capacity to reach people

23:57

to reach tipping point to

23:59

reach critics. mass was never never there

24:01

it is today. So that's

24:04

the big the big difference,

24:06

even know spoke Jesus spoke

24:08

within 30 miles of

24:10

where he Okay, but but

24:13

today if something works, if

24:15

it's, you it works, it's you know,

24:17

if it's forget it. it, but

24:19

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25:38

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25:52

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25:56

pandemic of happy people

25:58

all across the world world. So

26:00

is certainly helping. is

26:03

certainly you though When you,

26:05

are you though in your

26:07

at our ability

26:09

to span the

26:12

bridge of bridge of our

26:14

otherness? with each other. I

26:16

mean in I mean in the past

26:18

the years, 10 past the past five our ability

26:20

to touch. We are creating a new identity

26:22

for ourselves, which is

26:24

beyond our racial identity,

26:27

beyond our national identity,

26:29

beyond our ethnic identity,

26:31

beyond our religious identity. religious

26:33

identity. We're citizens global citizens and

26:35

is a great time

26:37

because as we we expand

26:39

our identity, feel feel more for

26:41

each other, which is really

26:44

the true gist of spirituality. came to

26:46

When I came to the

26:48

United States in 1970, I'd never never

26:50

seen a TV in my

26:52

life. And then fax machines and

26:55

cell cell phones and now you

26:57

can now you and do meditations.

26:59

I mean, this mean, this the

27:01

last few decades. in the last few decades.

27:03

you feel like like... had

27:05

part of this conversation

27:08

before? Do you feel like

27:10

we are? we are better. better

27:12

as a species? Yes, a because we

27:14

are are because we are becoming

27:16

more aware it's the I think

27:18

it's the next stage of our

27:20

human evolution. are You know there

27:22

are only two uses we

27:25

can put our imagination to. to. One

27:27

is One is anxiety. a form

27:29

is a form of

27:31

imagination, The creativity. creativity. And have

27:34

to choose this this. in

27:36

order to transform the

27:38

world. the world. I am

27:40

seeing spontaneous evolution call

27:42

of what I call dynamic

27:44

networks of dynamic networks of

27:46

souls. So you souls. that again.

27:49

you have to say

27:51

that again, Self-organizing. Self -organizing. Dynamic

27:53

Dynamic. These Networks. These

27:55

are Got that. Of karmically connected

27:57

souls. People who have the same

27:59

social. values, same values and

28:01

they're organizing themselves by

28:04

themselves is going to is that's what

28:06

this is that's what

28:08

this is what this community is. He

28:10

said this on Facebook a couple

28:12

of weeks ago. on It's how wonderful

28:14

it is to watch wonderful it Sunday.

28:16

I feel like I'm in a

28:18

community of in a community of like minds. That's

28:20

it. That's it. what you just

28:23

said. So tell us, now you've written

28:25

two books. How do you write

28:27

these books said. So quickly? You wrote written two

28:29

books. You wrote God a story of

28:31

revelation, and now the and now the

28:33

super When do you find time

28:35

you find on a plane, I'm a

28:37

lot of the time, lot of the

28:39

also compulsive about downloading anything that

28:41

comes to me because me. have I

28:44

only anxiety I have in my

28:46

life right now. in my life right now.

28:48

sorry to embarrass to it, it. that

28:50

if it stops coming to

28:52

me, to me, then I'll have to

28:54

stop. So might as well

28:56

write as fast as I can

28:58

while it's coming. So you and all of

29:01

your business, no and all of your. business

29:03

business, found the your business, another

29:06

the time to

29:08

co with a Harvard neurologist. First of all,

29:10

how did, so are you always First

29:12

of all how out with So

29:14

are you always hanging out? with was at I No,

29:16

was which is the Ted which is

29:18

the medical aspect aspect of TED, we

29:21

and we met in the men's

29:23

room. And I I said to him, he's

29:25

him, he's a neuroscientist, he's discovered

29:27

over over a genes. genes, and he's the

29:29

word And book started in the

29:31

men's room at TED, the men's room?

29:33

In the So I said to

29:35

him, So I do you to that

29:37

our do you realize that our genes are...

29:39

coding our karma. And he looked at me

29:41

as if I was totally weird. And then

29:43

afterwards he came out and and said,

29:45

talk talk. I discovered that that is

29:47

what you This in the men's room.

29:50

in the men's room. Yeah, we ended up

29:52

doing this book because the basic

29:54

pieces of this book pieces of not

29:56

your brain. you're not are the

29:58

user of your brain. of your brain. of the

30:00

brain is your consciousness, spirit. And if you

30:02

if you learn to use

30:04

the brain correctly, you can

30:06

know, this is know. they This is what

30:08

they call of model of the brain,

30:10

you know, the So this is part is

30:12

my reptilian brain, this part is my

30:14

emotional brain, brain, this part is my

30:16

creative cortical brain. We We can actually

30:18

influence all these parts of our

30:20

brain to create a healthier life for

30:22

us and change longevity, creativity and

30:25

find our change spirit. longevity, And that's what

30:27

the book is about. It's about

30:29

unleashing the power. about. It's about a

30:31

section called the power. Yeah. brain. a section

30:33

Is this the kind of thing

30:35

that gets you, makes you get

30:37

it? I love it. this love it.

30:39

It makes me ecstatic. you, makes know,

30:41

just to talk to it. It makes

30:43

me ecstatic. Because we both kind of, you

30:45

know, we're kind of asking ourselves, can

30:48

we ever understand the mind of

30:50

God? That was a favorite quote

30:52

was a favorite quote of to know how

30:54

God thinks I else is a detail.

30:56

thinks That's from Einstein. That's from think I

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think now we have the technology. to

31:00

kind of of ever figure it

31:02

out, out, get pretty close. close.

31:04

Okay, one one of the myths you is

31:06

that the that hard wiring can't be

31:08

changed. can't do we then begin

31:10

to to train brains if we were we're

31:12

predisposed to certain ways of thinking.

31:15

Well, we are starting right now

31:17

with our 21 21 days That's that's what we're

31:19

changing the hardwiring of the brain. of

31:21

the brain and parts of the brain

31:23

get of the brain get were never that we're

31:25

going to reshape our brain. We you You

31:27

say we can reshape our brain by

31:29

growth, the actual structure of the brain.

31:32

of the brain good God And I do mean.

31:34

that through your mind and

31:36

through your and through your spirit

31:38

if you choose to grow

31:40

are really, what, evolving or are

31:42

really evolution. Yeah, this guiding

31:45

your phase of our this is our

31:47

next phase of our evolution, known we

31:49

are they talk about know that when

31:51

they talk about it evolution, it was

31:53

random, natural selection, human

31:55

evolution now now on can be

31:57

conscious evolution. What are you are you most proud

31:59

of? all of your work. work? Oh, my

32:01

my grandchildren. Okay. Other than your than your

32:04

grandchildren, what you most proud of

32:06

in all of of this work? In all all

32:08

of this body of proud of

32:10

is bringing bringing into spirituality because

32:12

you know Because you people say faith

32:14

and reason. faith and reason. silly. Why

32:16

can't you have both? know have

32:18

I say if I say... Do you

32:21

have faith in gravity you'd say

32:23

say, a ridiculous question right? question,

32:25

right? have faith in had You should

32:27

have experience. You should You should have knowledge.

32:30

You You should be able to say

32:32

that it works to now we can

32:34

do all those things. science is

32:36

God. things. But science is God. Science is how

32:38

God thinks, yes. That's really God

32:40

is a mathematician, a a

32:43

physicist, a biologist all at the

32:45

same time. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And so you've so

32:47

you've been trying to get the world

32:49

to see that, to know that. Yes,

32:51

30 years I've been doing finally it's

32:53

it's happening. Deepak Chopra spent

32:56

a year traveling Chopra spent a year

32:58

traveling the world and allowing his

33:00

son every to film him every step

33:02

of the way. The documentary Deepak is an intimate

33:04

portrait of Deepak's spiritual work

33:06

as well as a revealing

33:08

look at his complex relationship

33:10

with his son. In decoding

33:12

Deepak, first of all, you of

33:14

all, you had to cooperate Gotham to do

33:16

else could I do? What else

33:19

could you do? could you do? You do what

33:21

your kids says that Yeah. He says that you

33:23

have now, now that you're that you're

33:25

older, you get more anxious

33:27

about getting the message. out. I do. If

33:29

there's anything there's anything about me that's

33:31

restless, it's about saying, you know, let's

33:33

wake up and change the world.

33:35

We can all do it together. At

33:38

what stage do you think you

33:40

are in your own spiritual growth? own

33:42

Do you have an ultimate goal? Of

33:44

course, everyone has an ultimate

33:46

goal. goal? I think I'm pretty

33:49

close. close. Do you ever

33:51

have - spiritual struggles, there's never doubt

33:53

for you. never doubt

33:55

for you. No. To be I have

33:57

to be honest. want you want you to be

33:59

honest. So would would you say, would

34:01

you say that you're sort of now

34:03

at guru status? I don't like the word guru the

34:05

word people kind of have of have

34:07

all kinds of images of gurus. I

34:09

feel I have the have the status I

34:12

I can live my no anxiety about

34:14

I have no anxiety about

34:16

what people think or say about

34:18

me, whether it's good or

34:20

bad. That's why I let Gautam

34:22

do the movie there's a know,

34:24

there's a public Deepak, there's a

34:26

private Deepak, arc. there's a Deepak

34:28

to his family to then there's

34:30

the real Deepak. there's the real deep heart.

34:32

And so it's all right to aspects, which which

34:35

is Gotham skillfully. skillfully. a lot of

34:37

skillful a lot of shows me on

34:39

the Blackberry all the time,

34:41

which I'm not. on the Blackberry all the

34:43

that's the skillful editing. But That's

34:45

the part I most the skillful editing. That's

34:48

the again, I tweeting good messages, again,

34:50

good messages, nothing. nothing

34:52

ordinary. you feeling somewhat rewarded

34:54

now? First of all, the fact

34:56

that we can have a Sunday morning

34:58

conversation like this, that people join

35:00

us from all over the world. people join

35:03

us from all over the world

35:05

in multiple countries, that the word literally

35:07

is I feel very

35:09

fulfilled with that you

35:11

know we can meditate in

35:13

the lab Medical School. and people

35:15

not laugh laugh, or better yet, yet

35:17

you're not get thrown out

35:19

out for doing it. They to join join.

35:21

Do you always feel

35:24

you're constantly growing growing

35:26

expression of yourself? fullest

35:28

expression of yourself. Do you always

35:30

feel like there's more, there's more,

35:32

there's more? more. So do you ever feel

35:34

like like, okay go sit go sit on a beach?

35:36

No. No. You let your body sit your

35:39

body sit on a beach sometimes. Yeah.

35:41

Yeah. Yeah. Actually, you know, when we know, met, I'd when

35:43

we last met, I'd been to

35:45

Buddhist monastery. shaved your your head and spent

35:47

all that time. time. two weeks ago,

35:49

before I went to China, actually, I I

35:51

went to a place in California I

35:53

I spent a week in silence. So

35:56

So my my reward, you know, I

35:58

when I can go and spend entire... week

36:00

in total silence and then I

36:02

come back totally refreshed. Your wife

36:05

must be the most. She went

36:07

with me this. I was going

36:09

to say she must be the

36:12

most extraordinary. She went to, we

36:14

both went to a cinema and

36:16

both had the most amazing time.

36:19

So you both went to spend

36:21

a week in silence. Yes. We

36:23

take long walks, go by the

36:26

beach, never say a word, but

36:28

you know without... a word we

36:30

were communicating without even gestures. We

36:33

just knew what was happening in

36:35

the other. And do you do

36:37

that for yourself often? I do

36:40

it twice a year at least,

36:42

sometimes more often. When I was

36:44

preparing to go to India, you

36:47

asked me a question that I

36:49

later said took me three days

36:52

to answer because I knew you

36:54

didn't want, you know, a standard

36:56

answer. Who are you? Well, I've

36:59

thought about it all my life,

37:01

and I've realized that I'm a

37:03

spark of the divine, and so

37:06

is everyone else. That we limit

37:08

ourselves by defining ourselves. That if

37:10

you go beyond the labels and

37:13

definitions, all that's left is infinite

37:15

possibility, infinite intelligence. And we are

37:17

that till we squeeze ourselves. into

37:20

an identity which is the volume

37:22

of a body in the span

37:24

of our lifetime. We are way

37:27

beyond that. Thank you. Thank you.

37:29

Thank you very much. I'm Oprah

37:31

Winfrey and you've been listening to

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