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2:06

everybody and welcome back to the

2:09

B1 podcast with Matt and Tommy

2:11

emergency edition. I am currently, and

2:13

I am not joking right now,

2:15

we will post this on social

2:17

media, I am in Sweden right

2:20

now for the F1 Sin Racing

2:22

World Championship, this news has started

2:24

to break, and I am balancing

2:26

my iPad on a sideways bathroom

2:28

bin which is magnetically attached to

2:31

the cover of my iPad to

2:33

be able to record the YouTube

2:35

side of this video. In the

2:37

audio side I have to do

2:40

a big shout-out to Alex Jake's

2:42

who allowed me to borrow his

2:44

microphone. It's a big shout-out to

2:46

him. He is the goat. But

2:48

I just wanted to give some

2:51

context as to the absolute levels

2:53

that we are going to for

2:55

this podcast, Tommy. We're not missing

2:57

this one for the world and

3:00

I did not expect to be

3:02

doing a, well, a driver announcement

3:04

or driver replacement, or driver replacement,

3:06

literally two weeks into the F1

3:08

season, what an earth is going

3:11

on. Two weeks, Tommy. Two weeks.

3:13

Two race weekends is all Liam

3:15

Lawson was given and now your

3:17

goat, Tommy, Yuki Sinoda, is stepping

3:20

up to Red Bull. I think

3:22

everybody needs to understand your emotions

3:24

and feelings right now because I

3:26

reckon it's not all elation. No,

3:28

it's a lot of nerves. It's

3:31

absolutely insane. Like my first thoughts

3:33

of this whole thing. is just

3:35

simply insane. It's been two races,

3:37

like we said, two weeks, Liam

3:39

Lawson has been a drug. We

3:42

remember saying about like Pierre Gasley,

3:44

for example, and how harsh it

3:46

was that he got replaced after

3:48

half a season. This is two

3:51

weeks. Liam Lawson has done one

3:53

race at Albert Park in the

3:55

wet and a sprint weekend where

3:57

you get very little practice time.

3:59

and that's all two circuits

4:01

he's never driven up before

4:04

as well and they've got rid

4:06

of him and don't get me wrong

4:08

I'm one of these people that

4:10

wanted you to consider in the first

4:13

place but all my word how is

4:15

this happened already this is

4:17

this is utterly insane So we're diving

4:19

into our first thoughts which I

4:21

think is our reaction to this

4:23

news. Of course Ralph Schumacher apparently

4:25

is the Oracle and he's the

4:27

one that decided to tell everybody

4:30

that this was happening and you're

4:32

thinking, oh is he just playing

4:34

games with Rebel or you know

4:36

whatever? And then obviously we have

4:38

other journalists start to report it

4:40

and you know we're good citizens

4:42

aren't we Tommy? We wait until

4:44

the official news before we jump

4:46

on it just to make sure

4:48

because... Because that is literally my

4:50

first reaction is as much as

4:52

Liam Lawson was terrible in those

4:54

first two races, you can't say it's

4:56

anything other than that, he's coming

4:59

up to two races that

5:01

he actually has experience racing

5:03

around in Super Formula in

5:05

Japan. He's done that track

5:07

and then he's done Bahrain

5:09

pre-season testing. What has gone on

5:11

behind closed doors at Red Ball where

5:13

they've gone? he doesn't even deserve that

5:16

we need to make the change now.

5:18

Like it is code red. Like when

5:20

you think of it from a

5:22

PR perspective it is terrible for

5:25

Red Ball to see a driver

5:27

that they're supposedly bringing up to

5:29

the big leagues and yes you've

5:31

earned your opportunity in quite a

5:34

quick time to then demote him

5:36

immediately back to racing balls is

5:38

savage. And it's so embarrassing as

5:41

well that when... Liam was put

5:43

in that car. There were a lot of

5:45

people, a lot of chatter about why isn't

5:47

Yiki Sinodar in that car. He

5:49

deserves a chance at a lot of

5:51

experience. He's done everything they asked

5:54

of him and there was such

5:56

a like huge outpour of people

5:58

going. Sinodo deserves a chance. And

6:01

for Red Bull to go, absolutely

6:03

not, it's all about Lawson. And

6:05

then barely even give him a

6:07

chance and go, okay, yeah, yeah,

6:09

we were wrong. I don't see

6:11

how Red Bull is anything other

6:13

than a huge embarrassment for them.

6:15

Even if Yuki does well or

6:18

bad, it's embarrassing either way for

6:20

them. Exactly. Let's get into the

6:22

first question from people on Patriot

6:24

member Katie. Could this be a

6:26

career Ender for Yuki? Now this

6:28

is a good question. Right, you

6:30

do wonder, Yuki goes there, he

6:32

has the same problems as Lawson,

6:35

which in some ways you would

6:37

kind of forgive him for struggling

6:39

in these first few weekends because

6:41

he's not had pre-season testing in

6:43

this car. He hasn't had much

6:45

time at all in any sort

6:47

of pre- Redball, of course not

6:50

this year, but in previous years

6:52

gone by. UKIP doesn't have a

6:54

huge amount of experience. Of course

6:56

he said in the media, I

6:58

wasn't that hard to drive, yeah.

7:00

Oh, I'm all good, don't worry

7:02

about me, I'll do the Red

7:04

Bullsey. He doesn't have enough experience

7:07

to be able to go, he's

7:09

ready right now. So I don't

7:11

think it will be a career

7:13

end for him. However, they do

7:15

have other drivers waiting in the

7:17

wings, Linblad is one of them

7:19

that is taking a lot of

7:22

headlines at the moment for sure.

7:24

and you do wonder who will

7:26

be the one to potentially fall

7:28

as a domino here. I do

7:30

think that, you know, it is

7:32

a, we now know, and this

7:34

is what we've spoken about even

7:36

before we knew Lawson would be

7:39

replaced, that yes, that seat is

7:41

a bit of a, well, say

7:43

lightly, it is a poison chalice,

7:45

but Yuki can't refuse it. If

7:47

you, if you want, even on

7:49

all the evidence we've seen, And

7:51

we mentioned that, and we'll probably

7:53

have this debate later, about how

7:56

Lawson does in the V-Carb versus

7:58

how Yiki would do. in the

8:00

Red Bull, but you absolutely

8:02

have to take that opportunity. It

8:04

looks way worse on Yiki Sonoda

8:07

to refuse a top seat for

8:09

his career than it is to go

8:11

into that Red Bull and maybe not

8:13

be particularly great, because he's almost

8:15

got a bit of a buy-in

8:17

anyway with how bad Lawson has

8:20

been, that even if he does

8:22

perform, not great. everyone

8:24

will just kind of go, well, we know.

8:26

We know that car's terrible and no one

8:28

else can drive it other than the Max.

8:30

So, yeah, it's, he has to go for it.

8:33

You have to take that opportunity at a

8:35

big team. For sure. And as long as

8:37

he does better than P20 in the next

8:39

two races, then I don't think it can

8:41

be a career-ender for him because he

8:44

has been really impressive at racing balls.

8:46

He has that to fall back on.

8:48

It's just such a bizarre situation. I

8:51

didn't think it could get any worse

8:53

than when we were discussing Perez. And

8:55

here we are. Next question, people on

8:58

picture remember, Sophie, do we think the

9:00

timing has anything to do with the

9:02

fact it's Yuki's home Grand Prix? I

9:05

think it has more to do with Honda

9:07

and saying, look, well, actually, it's

9:09

a disaster with Lawson. get him in.

9:11

We're paying money for Sonoda to be

9:13

part of this program. We want him

9:16

in. Home Grand Prix will look amazing,

9:18

as long as he does pretty well, which

9:20

I hope for his sake he does.

9:22

But yeah, for sure, I think that

9:24

there's got to be some element of

9:27

Home Grand Prix Sonoda in a red

9:29

ball there. And I'm sure Honda have

9:31

also been banging on the drum for

9:33

years now about having this opportunity for

9:35

Yiki that they haven't been able to

9:37

get until this moment. Yeah, I think Japan

9:39

being the third race of the season

9:41

has, has, I was going to say, worked in

9:43

Yuki's favour. I don't know, we don't know

9:46

if this is going to be a terrible

9:48

move. Yeah, was he going to win in

9:50

the V-carb anyway because it's absolutely amazing.

9:52

It's huge, it's absolutely enormous publicity

9:55

for Honda and there's a lot

9:57

of rumours that Honda actually paid.

10:00

maybe between 10 and 20 million

10:02

offer of Red Bull in the

10:04

first place to take Yuki on

10:06

board and Red Bull said no

10:08

so now after two races like

10:10

we'll give we give you a

10:12

tenor now because clearly you want

10:14

him exactly but but Honda the

10:16

the publicity that they'll get from

10:18

a Japanese driver being in that

10:20

top team regardless of if we

10:22

think is it even the better

10:24

car right now to be in

10:26

that team that won the drivers

10:28

championship last year and has won

10:30

the constructors championship so many years

10:32

in a row previously is a

10:34

massive massive thing. So yeah it's

10:36

it's going to be huge for

10:39

Honda and huge for Yiki like

10:41

what what pressure in your home

10:43

race to have to deliver in

10:45

the Red Bull. I mean it

10:47

can't get any worse in terms

10:49

of the level of pressure for

10:51

ukisanoda if he delivers then it

10:53

will be quite the occasion this

10:55

leads us on quite nicely to

10:57

our next question from p1 patry

10:59

member luka cuzzi what happens if

11:01

uki performs the same where do

11:03

they go? Well look, I don't

11:05

think anyone, neither of us had

11:07

in our predictions that a driver

11:09

would lose their seat in two

11:11

races. And if we were like

11:13

forced to pick a driver, it

11:15

would have been doing. Not what's

11:17

gone on here in the Red

11:19

Bull family. So if Yuki Sonoda

11:21

has the same struggles, as I

11:23

kind of mentioned earlier, he does

11:26

have more excuses in the fact

11:28

that he's literally been dropped in

11:30

the car out of nowhere for

11:32

the Japanese Grand Prix. But then...

11:34

They kind of, I think for

11:36

Yuki Sonoda he has more things

11:38

to save him to keep that

11:40

seat for at least the season

11:42

over Liam Lawson. Lawson I think

11:44

was obviously a little bit of

11:46

a punt. They didn't know exactly

11:48

how he was going to do.

11:50

He didn't have the financials to

11:52

save him and he didn't really

11:54

have the public support either. It's

11:56

not like a Daniel Ricardo situation.

11:58

He's massively loved. He's a huge

12:00

asset to them. the team. Lawson

12:02

didn't have that and he also

12:04

didn't have serious cash money to

12:06

save his bacon either. But with

12:08

Sonoda, obviously Honda, there's ties there

12:10

and there's bigger conversations being had.

12:13

So for me, I think Yuki

12:15

will be given more time even

12:17

if he does struggle in Japan. Yeah,

12:19

I agree. We're in an absolutely insane

12:21

situation now where even if

12:24

Yuki manages to qualify like

12:26

P10 or something in that Red Ball.

12:28

people will be calling him the

12:30

greatest of all time because it

12:32

is you will say people you

12:34

mean you absolutely yeah but it's

12:36

so true because Lawson because

12:39

because the benchmark is

12:41

literally 20th it's he is in

12:43

such a fortunate position in a

12:45

way and then it is where

12:47

where does he go from here

12:49

it's a great opportunity and I

12:52

do feel very bad for Lawson

12:54

because he just needed more

12:56

time and he's not going

12:58

to get that, but Yuki

13:00

surely will, even if Yiki

13:02

Sinoda does qualify 17th,

13:04

18th in the first race. He'll

13:07

have another race and then another

13:09

race and then he goes to

13:11

Bahrain where, like we've said,

13:13

he's had lots of testing

13:15

before and things like that.

13:17

Surely there's no one waiting in

13:20

the wings already if Yiki doesn't

13:22

perform that. That would be insane

13:24

to basically just be a two

13:26

race at a time situation where

13:28

literally they just throw anyone in

13:30

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13:32

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from people and picture remember Captain Obbs

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3420, could this also be considered good

15:51

news for Liam? Yes he was humiliated

15:53

in the Red Ball but now he

15:55

will be in a car that's easy

15:58

to drive and comes with less pressure.

16:00

I think it's a good and... bad

16:02

thing for him, bad being that as

16:04

Captain Obbs mentioned, Captain Obvious, that he

16:06

was humiliated in those two races for

16:09

sure, it's not easy in the slightest

16:11

to see your teammate up at the

16:13

front and your toodling around at the

16:15

back, especially lasting qualifying. It is almost

16:17

kind of like cutting your losses quickly

16:20

here with this one, like it's not

16:22

the end of Lawson's career by any

16:24

stretch. If he pops in a piece

16:26

six in qualifying in Japan, everyone will

16:28

go, oh! Oh yeah, Lawson was good. Oh yeah,

16:31

forgot we were all hyping him up

16:33

last year. He's not the worst. He's

16:35

not Sluelson. It's just the worst slander

16:37

name I've ever heard in my entire

16:39

life. That is the worst name ever.

16:42

But yeah, it's just... It is one

16:44

of the most bizarre situations I've seen

16:46

in modern Formula One, to be honest

16:48

with you, how quickly they're making these

16:50

kind of cutthroat decisions. But I think

16:52

for Liam, yeah, he probably remembers how

16:54

the racing ball kind of drives. So

16:56

I don't think it will be a

16:58

massive step for him. He's probably there

17:01

and just be like, wow, okay, so

17:03

the front end isn't just literally on

17:05

insane sensitivity, like I'm playing call of

17:07

duty on a hundred. Yeah, I wouldn't

17:09

be surprised one bit if Lawson

17:11

actually does very well in the

17:13

V-Cup and I don't think many

17:16

people will be. It almost wouldn't

17:18

be a shock for Lawson to do a

17:20

good job because he was, you

17:22

know, on a similar pace to Yuki

17:24

and look what Yuki's been doing in

17:26

that V-Cup this year has been doing

17:29

amazingly well. So it wouldn't

17:31

be a huge surprise. Obviously this

17:33

isn't the way he'd want

17:35

of this situation to... to end

17:37

with Red Bull and there's

17:39

always, even if he goes

17:41

into that V-carbon does well,

17:44

unfortunately, even if you believe,

17:46

and I think I do, that it

17:49

is unfair that this is the case,

17:51

but it will always be a kind

17:53

of black mark on your career,

17:55

that you've gone into a

17:57

top team and not performed.

18:00

even though it is against Matt Fustapin

18:02

in that car that so many others

18:04

have failed. You look at Pierre Gazley,

18:06

he literally won a race for Alpha

18:08

Tari at the time, you know, yeah,

18:10

he's got the move to Alpine, but

18:12

would a Mercedes or McLaren or a

18:14

Ferrari take him with that knowledge that

18:16

he didn't perform at Red Bull? Some

18:19

will say yes, but there'll always be

18:21

that... kind of doubt in the back

18:23

of your mind even if it is

18:25

maybe unfair because they went up against

18:27

Max and we know how no one

18:29

has performed in that car alongside Max.

18:31

I think for cases like Gazley he's

18:33

had enough time to show that that

18:35

was sort of an anomaly I think

18:37

with it sort of slows down your

18:39

career that's how I say it in

18:42

the fact that Lawson at this stage.

18:44

Yeah. and you'll need several years in

18:46

a team to showcase that you do

18:48

have the minerals as I like to

18:50

call it and then you might be

18:52

able to get a top drive again

18:54

so yeah it's it's tough but for

18:56

Lawson he hasn't even had a full

18:58

season in Formula One so are we

19:00

really surprised on paper that he has

19:03

struggled I mean we put him in

19:05

p8 in the championship I saw some

19:07

people going p8 guys that's a bit

19:09

harsh on him he's gonna be easy

19:11

top five and he's been right at

19:13

the bottom so Has that ever been

19:15

a more insane 13 races than anyone's

19:17

Formula One career of like joining, setting

19:19

the world delight, everyone's saying you should

19:21

be in the sport, then not getting

19:24

a seat, then getting the V-carb seat

19:26

halfway through a season, then getting the

19:28

rubber seat, then getting back to V-Carb.

19:30

In 13 races is absolutely insane. It's

19:32

had like a whole Formula One career

19:34

in 13 races. It's been a roller

19:36

coaster. I think he will just like

19:38

the stability of hopefully staying at racing

19:40

bulls if he can pick himself up.

19:42

It'll be interesting to see how Lawson

19:45

and Hadjar compare because Sonoda we did

19:47

say as much as Lawson was

19:49

comparable at times. So

19:51

Noda did have

19:53

the upper hand and

19:55

Hanja has been

19:57

shown some potential ready

19:59

since joining. So

20:01

can Hanja get the

20:03

upper hand there

20:06

at racing balls? That's

20:08

yet to be

20:10

seen. Now question, this

20:12

one will be interesting from P1 Patriot member Drip.

20:15

Could Daniel Ricciardo return

20:17

if Yuki Sanoda

20:19

struggles? I'm

20:22

not rolling that out of this point. I think Mika Hakuna

20:24

could come back from a sabbatical. Honestly,

20:30

anybody could have a go. Tom Bellingham's

20:32

in by Singapore. I've said it once, I'll say

20:34

it 100 times. I'm happily going to campaign for

20:36

that. I mean, technically, I couldn't do worse than

20:38

Lawson at China qualifying. No,

20:40

you literally couldn't. Although

20:42

you'd probably get disqualified by going the

20:45

wrong way around the circuit or

20:47

something. But back to Daniel Ricciardo. I'm

20:49

not rolling it out. I really

20:51

am not because Danny is

20:53

the kind of last guy that had

20:55

any idea how to drive a Red

20:57

Bull in a really good fashion and

20:59

to be somewhat similar to Max. I

21:01

know that he obviously Max got the

21:03

upper hand in that relationship. But I'm not

21:05

saying that I'm not categorically saying

21:08

anything to do with the Red

21:10

Bull driver lineup. So a small

21:12

slither of hope, I reckon. I

21:15

can't see it happening, but then

21:17

I could not see it happening him

21:20

joining Alpha Towery and replacing Nick DeVries. Yeah,

21:23

I'm pretty sure you said to me, didn't you on

21:25

the podcast, there is no way Daniel Ricciardo is going

21:27

to go to the second team. Yeah, and

21:29

he did. He came back

21:32

and never say never because

21:34

Red Bull are desperate now.

21:36

It's such an embarrassing situation

21:38

to just be churning through

21:40

driver after driver at this

21:42

team. And if Yuki doesn't

21:44

perform well, maybe there is

21:46

a part of their mind

21:48

that, you know, Christian Horner, we

21:50

all know loved him and really wanted

21:52

him to get in that car anyway

21:55

in the first place and succeed. That

21:57

maybe they do just go, Well, actually

21:59

how you do in a V-CARB has

22:01

absolutely no relation to how you

22:03

do in a Red Bull anyway.

22:06

Because we've seen that. These drivers

22:08

that are going into the seat

22:10

alongside Maxis happen are

22:12

not bad drivers. They've

22:14

been incredibly hyped. Perez

22:16

was so hyped up

22:18

going into that seat. He

22:21

didn't have a Formula One seat.

22:23

He was so hyped up. He

22:25

just won that amazing Grand

22:27

Prix. And then, you know,

22:30

it all falls apart. So maybe their

22:32

approach now is it almost doesn't

22:34

even matter how you do

22:36

in those kind of performances

22:38

of other teams. It's just

22:40

how you can perform in that

22:42

Red Bull alongside Max Eppin and

22:45

will it suit your style. It's

22:48

such a weird thing to think

22:50

about, isn't it? Because it's supposed

22:52

to be, oh, the second team,

22:54

you lead into Red Bull, but

22:56

the characteristics are so fundamentally different

22:59

between the two teams and the

23:01

two cars, that it is almost

23:03

like they're getting themselves ready on

23:05

a chopping block. Like it's a

23:07

junior team where they're literally leading

23:09

their drivers to slaughter, like, and

23:12

their careers, because... the amount of

23:14

drivers careers that they've ended because

23:16

they haven't been able to drive

23:18

that red bull is is wild and it is

23:20

of course slightly down not Max's fault

23:23

but it is a you know that is

23:25

the the ending that is the end result

23:27

of having Max Verstappen who likes a certain

23:29

car in a certain way and I'm not

23:31

sort of disrespecting the Max is one

23:33

of the greatest drivers we've ever seen

23:36

in the sport but that's just the

23:38

way the team's focus will be whilst

23:40

Max is there so it's just I

23:42

can't get my head around to Tommy. It's

23:44

also very late in Sweden right now. But

23:46

I think even if I did have a

23:48

solid amount of sleep and had been on

23:50

set for 12 hours, I would also still

23:53

be very similar to this. So what are we

23:55

going to say Tommy? Because I feel

23:57

like your final thoughts need to be

23:59

very coherent. So let's let's dive

24:01

into them. My final thoughts

24:04

are just how I'm still

24:06

still in shock but I'm

24:08

absolutely fascinated to see

24:11

this happen because I

24:13

wanted Ikis Noda in that

24:15

seat anyway. I really wanted

24:17

to see how he'd get on

24:19

and we're now going to see

24:21

it. And it's just

24:23

an absolutely mad mad situation

24:26

that we're here already.

24:28

but we are going to get kind

24:31

of a like for like comparison

24:34

and well there's also talk that

24:36

that it might even rain for

24:38

Suzuki so oh my word we

24:40

could be in for some more

24:43

madness as well. Now let's play

24:45

a little game we're going to

24:47

do it. I know. Where does

24:50

Yuki snow to qualify for the

24:52

Japanese Grand Prix? I'll go first.

24:54

P12. Oh my god, I was going

24:56

to say P12. Like genuinely was going

24:59

to say P12. I know. Get out

25:01

my head, you dirty dog. What are

25:03

you going to say? Come on.

25:05

Slightly better or slightly worse

25:07

after I've gone for P12. I had

25:10

P12 in my mind, so I'm going

25:12

to go. I go P11. P11, just miss

25:14

a lot of Q3. I believe.

25:16

I love how P11 is believing.

25:18

That is absolutely wild. Does that

25:20

make Perez the greatest of

25:23

all time? Anyway, thank you everybody

25:25

for watching and listening to this

25:27

rather crazy strange iPad stuck to

25:29

a sideways bin. podcast. Thankfully, we

25:31

managed to get it recorded. Big

25:33

shout out to Alex Shakespeare once

25:35

again for allowing this to happen.

25:37

Otherwise, you would have had the

25:39

worst audio quality in the history

25:41

of the land. Can't wait to

25:44

see how it unfolds. On a

25:46

human level, this is absolutely savage

25:48

and horrible for Liam Lawson, but

25:50

from an entertainment, just an entertainment

25:52

perspective, as you said, having a comparison

25:54

to drivers that you've always wanted to

25:56

have. It's like playing the F1 game

25:58

and just chucking, driving... in a

26:00

team and then just seeing who

26:03

wins. Like that is literally what

26:05

rebel are right now. Yeah, they

26:07

really are. And it might not

26:10

be the end of this story.

26:12

So thank you everybody. We'll

26:14

see you very soon. Lots

26:16

of love. Take your sweet

26:19

dreams. Goodbye. Goodbye from

26:21

Sweden. And my chore

26:23

is to empty your bins

26:25

because bins are very much

26:27

on my mind right now.

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