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1:48

we are. It is Saudi Arabian

1:50

Grand Prix Qualifying Edition. Oh

1:53

my lord, we've got some

1:55

drama to talk about. Tommy

1:57

is - This is F1. Loving

1:59

life right now with the fact that

2:01

he flopped Verstappen and he's on pole. The

2:03

master plan has worked beautifully so far.

2:05

Utterly ridiculous. Since when does your big flop

2:07

have the same anti -powers as mine? Maybe

2:09

this is it, this is it, but

2:11

now, from now on - Max takes it

2:13

personally. It's twice now. Two poles. We've both

2:15

flopped in the two poles. Either that

2:18

or we just need to stop going for

2:20

the best drivers on the grid and

2:22

flopping them. Maybe. That's what I've kind of

2:24

learned so far this season. Anyway, a

2:26

lot of things to talk about. So let's

2:28

dive straight into Q1. The bottom five were

2:30

Stroll, Dewin, Holkenberg,

2:32

Ocon and Borteletto. First

2:35

question, HM Peach. Not a question. Great. So

2:37

there we go. Not a question. But seeing that

2:39

Lance Stroll now has the record for the

2:41

most Q1 exits ever, any thoughts, feelings? That's still

2:43

a question mark at the end, so therefore

2:45

it is a question. So Lance

2:47

Stroll, if you miss

2:49

this, has broken the record

2:52

for the most

2:54

Q1 exits in F1

2:56

history. 75

2:58

Q1

3:01

exits. That

3:04

is... I didn't

3:06

think it was that bad. In the sense

3:08

of, I didn't know how many Q1 exits he

3:10

would have had. If someone had asked me

3:12

how many has he had, I probably wouldn't have

3:14

gone over 50. 75.

3:20

75, yeah. And how many races has he done?

3:24

176. It's

3:26

at 170 starts at 75

3:28

Q and exits. And

3:30

this is the thing for like a

3:33

driver that might be a backmarker. Well,

3:35

he took the was it Magnuson? I

3:37

think I believe what I heard was

3:39

that he took the record from and

3:41

you understand that the KMAG, you know,

3:43

he's driven a lot of wheelie

3:45

bins in his career. He's been driving for

3:47

Hass a lot of the time who

3:49

are a backmarker. But

3:52

Lance Stroll. has been, I

3:54

know the Aston Martin

3:56

is bad and really

3:58

poor this season.

4:01

But of course, you know, Aston Martin,

4:03

they had that great year in

4:05

2023, where the car looked

4:07

very quick. He's driven a very

4:09

quick racing point in his career. And

4:12

he scored a good amount of points finishes

4:14

as well in his career. His qualifying is

4:16

just genuinely awful. He is one of We

4:18

go on about Charlotte Clarke being one of

4:21

the greatest qualifiers of all time. Lance Troll

4:23

is probably the worst qualifier of all time.

4:25

I'm going to say it right here on

4:27

this podcast. He is abysmal at qualifying and he

4:29

always has been. Okay. Well,

4:31

goodness gracious me. Don't mince your words there,

4:33

Tommy. But he has been a

4:35

very poor qualifier. But then just randomly pops

4:37

up occasionally in P9 and you go,

4:39

oh, Lance, how did you manage that? Other

4:41

drivers to talk about, Estaban Ocon. I

4:43

can't believe we're talking about him. And 19th,

4:46

which I think is the same as

4:48

last time we were talking about qualifying only

4:50

last week, where it just cannot get

4:52

the same performance out of that

4:54

has as Ollie Bearman. You

4:57

blink though in the race and Hass have

4:59

rolled the dice with an undercut and he's

5:01

right there fighting for the points again. But

5:03

it does make you wonder just how, whether

5:06

there is this massive discrepancy between

5:08

quality pace and race pace

5:10

in the Hass or if Esteban

5:12

just can't get that same feeling

5:14

as he does in the race because you

5:16

don't expect this from Ocon. I

5:18

would consider him, unlike

5:20

Lance Troll, as a good

5:22

qualifier. Ocon,

5:26

last week he crashed out, didn't he,

5:28

and did actually better than Ben, but

5:30

it was the week before where he qualified

5:32

really poorly. We've seen this. Yeah,

5:35

I know, there's so many races going on

5:37

at the moment. But we've seen so many moments

5:39

where one of the houses qualify well, the

5:41

other doesn't do very well. But Ocon, you'd expect

5:43

as the more kind of veteran

5:45

driver that's been in the sport a long time

5:47

now, would be the one that could get

5:49

a hold of it. And this form,

5:53

Maybe we'll be having a different

5:56

conversation when he spawns into P7

5:58

during the race again like he did last

6:00

week and gets another great result.

6:02

He's got a lot of points

6:04

on the board from those two

6:06

amazing results. But

6:08

he qualified very poorly, didn't he, at

6:10

the end of his kind of Alpine

6:13

career as well. And we were questioning,

6:15

oh, maybe it's just that, have

6:17

they just kind of... Don't care

6:19

about Ocon anymore. Goodbye. And it's

6:21

like a Red Bull situation, but it's

6:23

kind of taken that poor qualifying

6:25

form into his house career as well. Yeah,

6:28

but we have also seen some great qualifiers from

6:30

Ocon and it's not something that he, he

6:33

lacks in his locker, I would, I

6:35

would argue. And to be outqualified by

6:37

a Sauber is pretty much unforgivable,

6:39

sadly. So back row of the grid

6:41

for Ocon. Hulkenberg, as I mentioned,

6:43

18th, Jack Dillon, it's...

6:46

That's a bit of a worry when

6:48

Gassley is ninth. Yeah, it's not it's

6:50

not good enough for doing sadly around

6:52

a track that is incredibly grippy. He

6:54

himself came into this. I think I mentioned

6:56

this in the Friday podcast with a decent

6:58

amount of confidence. At least that's what he

7:01

was exuding in his interviews was that he

7:03

feels good around this track. He likes this

7:05

track. And so it just feels like perhaps

7:07

there isn't that level of confidence

7:09

and risk in doing laps that that

7:11

Gasly is able to to deliver

7:13

in the Alpine, so difficult for doing

7:15

again and he does need to

7:17

start taking a step up now, otherwise

7:20

his fate will be sealed. Maybe

7:22

it already is, we don't know. Let's

7:24

get to Q2 then! And

7:26

the bottom five in this

7:28

session were Albon, Lawson, Alonso,

7:30

Hajjar and Bearman. Not

7:33

the craziest of...

7:35

Sort of the lineup of drivers

7:37

that got out in Q2 there Albon

7:39

just about missing out in the

7:42

Williams the racing balls looking like they're

7:44

slipping further and further away over

7:46

one lap pace at least. And

7:48

Alonso it felt like at one point

7:50

was going to be popping in sort of

7:52

P7 P8. He was looking quite strong,

7:54

but I think his final Q2 lap just

7:56

wasn't what he was hoping for. No,

7:59

just disappointing in the end for

8:02

Alonso. He's still is still ahead

8:04

of. stroll again. But

8:06

yeah, not not going from Aston Martin.

8:08

And the thing the thing I look at

8:10

there is racing balls, who we had

8:12

this discussion in the watch along, they should

8:14

have a big amount of points on

8:16

the board based on and we even said

8:18

this as they were doing those terrible

8:20

strategies and we had about that rant about

8:22

them in China, I believe it was. They

8:26

have they had to kind of strike

8:28

while the iron was hot there. And

8:30

now they've kind of very much

8:32

kind of gone back as being that midfield team

8:34

that are very much just in the mid -pack.

8:37

They're going to be kicking themselves that

8:39

they didn't grab a bucket load of

8:41

points in those first few races when

8:43

they looked like the fifth best car

8:45

and Yuki Sonoda was popping it P5

8:47

and 6 and qualifying and Hadja was

8:49

up in P7. Yeah,

8:52

huge kind of missed

8:54

opportunity. The only kind of

8:56

positive there

8:59

really is Lawson maybe picking up his

9:01

form after what's been an absolute stinker

9:03

to outqualify Hajar, maybe more what we

9:05

kind of have expected from him because

9:07

he has been one of the poorest

9:09

drivers of the year, even after going

9:12

into the racing bulls. So it's a

9:14

bit more positive from him, but it's

9:16

still disappointing for them not to be

9:18

in Q3. Yeah, it's a really

9:20

important qualifying session actually, as you mentioned,

9:23

for Lawson to get the upper hand on

9:25

Hajar that you would expect. of Lawson

9:27

in terms of experience -wise. He has more

9:29

experience than Hadjar, albeit not a

9:31

huge amount more. So yeah,

9:33

that might be a confidence settler for

9:35

Lawson. And finally, I just want

9:37

to talk about Oli Bearman because I

9:39

thought he might well be cooking

9:41

for a little Q3 appearance and then

9:44

had a very scrappy final Q2

9:46

lap, which then puts him 15th. I

9:49

was feeling so confident about this good

9:51

surprise. He gets into Q2. I think

9:53

he was quite easily into Q2 as

9:55

well after the first session. And

9:58

then just wasn't able to

10:00

deliver when it

10:02

counted. Perhaps that has, you

10:04

know, we were seeing with Ocon

10:06

quite a difficult car to qualify with. That's

10:08

at least what we're seeing. But

10:11

it's race trim. That's all it's all.

10:13

It doesn't matter about quality. When good surprise comes

10:15

in and he finishes P10, I

10:17

ain't going to be complaining. I

10:19

don't know if I even buy

10:22

the house isn't that good in

10:24

qualifying. I think he's left, you

10:26

know, he was slower actually in

10:28

Q2 than he was in Q1

10:30

by a tenth. You do wonder actually,

10:32

after watching testing, where they literally toodled

10:34

around the back, the entire test didn't

10:36

bother really ever doing fast laps. Yeah.

10:38

And then they're like, why are we

10:40

not quick and... Why not? Why are

10:42

we quick and qualifying? Yeah, it is

10:44

so true. Yeah,

10:47

this is the nature of Formula

10:49

One now and that midfield battle,

10:51

you know, the people that did the kind

10:53

of same time. You

10:56

know, if I look at, say, like,

10:58

Gasly, who ended up in P9 and

11:00

made it through, who was only

11:02

a tenth ahead of Bearman in

11:05

Q1. So the time is there,

11:07

just little mistakes here and there

11:09

can cost you so much, because

11:11

Bearman is another one that's

11:14

kind of had these... performances and then

11:16

he'll put in a brilliant performance and

11:18

that has, yeah, the performance does seem

11:20

to be a little bit all over

11:22

the place or maybe it's just how

11:24

close that midfield is and a mistake

11:26

here and there or a really good

11:28

performance can rocket you up the standings. Right,

11:31

let's get into the big one then. This is what you've

11:33

all been waiting for. Q3,

11:35

the top 10, as of

11:37

right now, stands for

11:39

Stappen, Piastri, Russell, Leclerc, Antonelli,

11:41

Sines, Hamilton, Sonoda, Gasly,

11:43

Norris. Okay, first

11:45

question, first question, first question in

11:48

this Q3 segment. How

11:52

can Lando iron out the mistakes as

11:54

these are costing him in what is looking

11:56

to be a tight championship? especially

12:02

for just generic formula

12:04

one punters like myself and

12:06

Tommy. Lando

12:15

is going to be struggling slightly more

12:17

in terms of just locking in compared

12:19

to Piastri that I would say is ice

12:21

cold He had that mistake in Australia,

12:23

but apart from that Piastri is performing to

12:25

the level that he can For Lando

12:27

and I will maintain this

12:29

opinion no matter what anyone says Lando

12:31

is a quicker driver than Oscar

12:33

over one lap if his true potential

12:35

is shown But the problem is

12:37

mistakes creep in and this is where

12:39

we've seen Q3 track limits. We've

12:42

seen this crash today and and it is

12:44

I feel like it is Lando looking

12:46

to the garage next to him in

12:48

Oscar and going, I've

12:50

got a proper championship fight on my

12:52

hands against my teammate. And we'll

12:54

get on to Mac shortly, where he's

12:56

feeling like he needs to go to a

12:58

level that he can get to, but it

13:00

brings in mistakes. And this is

13:02

such a costly one, not to even have

13:04

a lap time on the board to

13:06

start 10th. Yes, he's in

13:09

the fastest car, but this is not a given that

13:11

he's going to fly through. Of course,

13:13

he had a great start in Bahrain, but then

13:15

he got the penalty because he was in misplaced in

13:17

his grid box. It's

13:19

not an absolute disaster if, when we

13:21

said this again, where if he can

13:23

come through in the fastest car, but

13:26

he has to be beating Piastri. He

13:28

does at this stage of the

13:30

season because I fully see in

13:32

Oscar's future with how impressive he's

13:34

been at the start that he's still

13:36

only going to get better is Piastri.

13:38

He's in the start of his third

13:40

season. He's not the finished product. I

13:43

can't believe we're in this situation

13:45

where after the last race, you

13:47

know, Norris, we said, you know,

13:49

we were kind of critical of

13:51

him in drive ratings. And despite

13:53

the P3, he made a lot

13:55

of mistakes during that. You

13:57

go back to Australia, and it

13:59

was Piastri was the one that went off the road,

14:02

made the mistake. Lando

14:04

withheld the pressure of Max Verstappen

14:06

in a race that threw multiple safety

14:08

cars. And the narrative after

14:10

that race was, okay, Lando can fight

14:12

for this championship, and he can

14:14

deal with the mental pressure. This is

14:16

coming off the back of the

14:18

Abu Dhabi Grand Prix as well, where,

14:20

you know, realistically, that constructor championship

14:22

was all on him to win, and

14:24

he drove a brilliant race. But

14:26

since then, he's had the, you

14:28

know, the problems in the sprint

14:31

in China, then we're going

14:33

to Bahrain where he's had a difficult

14:35

race as well. And

14:38

this is just a

14:40

huge error and it's kind

14:42

of, he's making headlines for

14:44

all the wrong reasons.

14:46

And it's becoming a thing, sadly,

14:48

for Lando. You know,

14:50

I think when this started happening, I

14:52

thought people were maybe being overcritical of

14:54

him and jumping on him as someone

14:57

that makes a lot of mistakes, but

14:59

it is becoming a thing now. And

15:01

I don't know how he can kind

15:03

of change that. I don't know whether

15:05

it's the way he approaches his racing

15:07

or maybe he needs. I

15:09

don't know, like the mental side of the

15:12

sport is such a big thing as

15:14

well. I thought it was fascinating in the

15:16

last qualifying podcast we did where Alex

15:18

was talking about how he shouldn't be beating

15:20

himself up after the session because you

15:22

had more pressure on yourself and that kind

15:24

of thing. And you do wonder these

15:26

champions where. You know,

15:28

Piastri's got that mentor in Mark

15:31

Webber and Lewis Hamilton has surrounded

15:33

himself with like Angela, for example,

15:35

who, you know, gets him in

15:37

a great headspace and things like

15:39

that. And does Lando need someone

15:41

like that or kind of can

15:43

he work on himself on

15:46

that side? Because these mistakes are creeping

15:48

in and he's such a good driver and

15:50

he's a quick driver. He just

15:52

needs to iron out these mistakes. And

15:54

unfortunately at the moment, they're happening too

15:56

frequently. Next question, people on Patreon

15:58

remember Savage Monkey 3 .0, how is it

16:00

possible for Norris to keep making these types

16:02

of mistakes after being in his seventh season while

16:04

Piastri is in his third and being a

16:06

way more completed driver for the championship? No

16:09

hate, it says at the end as well, just to

16:11

clarify. How is it possible? Look,

16:13

I think that we're forgetting they're all humans, they

16:15

all have their own characteristics, they all have their

16:17

own strengths and weaknesses, just because

16:19

Piastri is performing probably at a

16:21

level that we didn't expect at

16:23

this point in his career. does

16:27

not necessarily mean that Lando Norris

16:29

will never win a championship

16:31

or that he is the anomaly

16:33

here. We've seen drivers

16:35

make mistakes for championships across

16:37

most seasons. Vettel, for

16:39

example, when he was fighting at Ferrari, just

16:41

one thing that comes to mind where mistakes

16:43

slip in. Piastri's

16:46

in a great part of his career.

16:48

There's no doubt about that. He

16:51

has solidified himself as a fantastic driver.

16:54

But we don't know how he deals

16:56

with pressure in the sense of leading the

16:58

championship, getting all those questions, becoming the

17:00

favourite which he now is. He's now the

17:02

favourite for the championship, I think, in

17:04

the bookies and all this sort of stuff.

17:07

We don't know yet. But all

17:09

we can judge him on is what he's done

17:11

so far. And what he's done is less

17:13

mistakes, I still will say.

17:15

He is marginally slower than

17:18

Lando if they're both on good

17:20

days. That doesn't

17:22

matter if Lando has these

17:24

mistakes creeping in where he

17:26

loses handful of points every

17:28

so often. The Oscar Piastri

17:30

slightly slower but also still delivering at a

17:32

very high level and consistently being there.

17:35

It's going to win the championship nine times

17:37

out of ten. So

17:39

Norris I still believe

17:41

will continue to learn about this

17:43

not just from a driving perspective

17:45

but also from a how does

17:48

he prepare himself for a championship

17:50

fight. He does need

17:52

the support around him. He needs the

17:54

team around him. He needs whatever it

17:56

might be, sports psychologist or however

17:58

it is. That's McLaren's job as

18:00

well as Lando's to find

18:03

the right solution there. Yeah,

18:05

he absolutely needs something like that, I think,

18:07

and whether that's something he'll look into. It's

18:12

not over because anything can

18:14

happen in the race

18:16

tomorrow. Who knows what can

18:18

happen when we've seen things completely like

18:20

flip on its head between qualifying and the

18:22

race and you never know Lando What while

18:24

we're looking at now thinking there's

18:26

no chance he could still well

18:28

lead the championship at the end

18:30

of this this triple header and

18:33

stranger things have happened but He's

18:36

having a poor run and I think

18:38

it's something that he needs to look

18:40

into in this kind of break and

18:42

kind of you know get

18:44

back in a good headspace because

18:46

it's been a difficult start when

18:49

Oscar was the one that made

18:51

that mistake in the first race

18:53

and Lando had a brilliant race

18:55

and we were thinking how

18:57

costly is that error going to be

18:59

for Oscar but instead here we are

19:01

now looking at the fact that Lando

19:03

is the one making loads of errors

19:05

and Lando is the one still leading

19:07

the championship but by a very minimal

19:09

margin now. I will also add into

19:11

that that, you know, we say that

19:13

Oscar makes that mistake in Australia. It's

19:15

exactly the same mistake, but just about

19:17

half a car length less deep. And

19:20

Lando could have been in exactly the

19:22

same situation as Oscar. I

19:24

will say that Oscar, of course, it

19:26

was a mistake in Australia, but

19:28

there was a serious level of just

19:30

unluckiness to that as well, for sure.

19:32

Because the way he got beached on the

19:35

grass and things like that. Oh, yeah, I'm

19:37

not denying it's more it's more worrying that

19:39

that Lando's mistakes have all been kind of

19:41

dry qualified. I mean, it's qualified qualifying

19:43

is is is the big one here.

19:46

I know he had a poor

19:48

poor bar in Grand Prix, getting through

19:50

the field and made mistakes there. But

19:53

how many we've gone into this

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22:08

question. Joe Winom. How did Max do

22:10

that? People don't want to call Max

22:12

a generational talent, but I think the

22:14

lap in Suzuka in today shows just

22:16

what difference he can make in a

22:18

car. I'm sorry. Who on earth is

22:20

calling Max not a generational talent? I

22:22

would love to know because he is... Categorically

22:26

a generational talent. I don't

22:28

care what anybody says on that,

22:30

because what more does he need

22:32

to do? He's in an S -Box

22:34

delivers. He's in a dominant car. He

22:36

breaks every record known to man

22:38

in terms of length of win streak,

22:40

et cetera, et cetera. Max

22:42

is the best driver on the grid. We

22:45

have a, I know we've joked about

22:47

him obviously, Lance Stroll breaking the Q1 exit.

22:49

But generally speaking, the grid is a

22:51

very strong one in 2025 as well. Yeah,

22:53

very. So how did Max

22:55

do that? Because he, when the

22:57

car is alive, which it became, and

23:00

they were surprised to see it, alive in

23:02

Q3 especially, he will deliver.

23:04

You don't see mistakes from Max Verstappen,

23:06

hardly ever. So

23:09

how did he do it? It's Verstappen.

23:11

And the car, he's put what, nine

23:13

tenths on Sonoda, I think, who I

23:15

think made a mistake as well. That's

23:17

the thing. People will be quick to

23:19

jump on. Oh, the car's good then.

23:21

He's nine tenths clearing his teammate. Nine

23:24

tenths. And I know I think Yuki did make a mistake on his

23:26

final lap. It doesn't matter. He made a mistake. You

23:29

have to just judge them. Why

23:32

do people make excuses about why Max

23:34

is quick other than the fact that

23:36

he is just an incredible driver that

23:38

we might not have on the grid

23:40

in five years time because he's always

23:42

ever, he's only ever said, you

23:44

know, I want to spend time with my family,

23:46

this, that and the other. Please appreciate

23:48

what he's doing. I

23:50

know that... don't like dominance, for

23:52

example. In the last few years, Max was always

23:54

winning. Blah, blah, blah. He's got the best

23:56

car. He doesn't have the best car now,

23:58

and we're seeing utterly brilliant performances.

24:01

Just enjoy it. God,

24:04

I sound like a Max fan. You do.

24:06

You do. I thought... I'll reverse them. I

24:08

really this t -shirt tomorrow. It's

24:11

true, though. You have

24:13

to appreciate we're witnessing, you

24:17

know... If Max some

24:19

miracle wins this championship, it would

24:21

be one of it would be like

24:23

Fernando Alonso in 2012, but he

24:25

actually goes on and wins the thing

24:27

because he should not be

24:29

there and somehow

24:32

we're five races

24:34

in and Max has happened

24:36

has got two pole positions

24:38

and We're talking about

24:40

hit the car being nowhere. Just

24:43

think as well. We're talking

24:45

about about pressure and all that

24:47

kind of side of the

24:49

sport and how difficult it is.

24:52

This whole Formula One weekend going into this

24:55

was all about Max Verstappen. Is he going

24:57

to leave Red Bull? Oh, the car's terrible,

24:59

isn't it? What are you going

25:01

to do? you going to leave? you going to

25:03

go twice for mine? All bombarded with questions in the

25:05

press conferences. And then he delivers a lap

25:07

like that. Yeah, it is the ultimate mic

25:09

drop. And it's just the

25:11

sign of an unbelievable driver. And

25:14

one of the best drivers we'll

25:16

ever see in Formula One whether you

25:18

think he's the best or not you

25:20

can't argue that he's not one of

25:22

the best we've ever seen it in

25:24

Formula One. Next question at Northence Hammer

25:27

was it all a massive overreaction

25:29

last week when people were saying

25:31

how poor the Red Bull is.

25:33

P1 in Japan and P1 again

25:35

today Bahrain was likely an anomaly. Bahrain

25:39

very aggressive on the tyres. We

25:42

know that McLaren are incredibly

25:44

good at keeping their tires in

25:46

a good window. And that's

25:48

why we saw Oscar just dominate the

25:50

race and drive away from pole position. I

25:54

think it is likely to see when

25:56

tracks have a higher grip, like a

25:58

really lovely surface like we have in

26:00

Saudi, that's when the car becomes

26:02

a lot better. I think we will

26:04

see Peaks and Troshford Red Bull. I don't think

26:06

we're going to go, yeah, Bahrain's the only anomaly here,

26:09

done and dusted. Max is back, he's

26:11

winning the championship. I'm not convinced

26:13

of that at all. But I think

26:15

it's more likely that he will

26:17

be able to thrust that car into

26:19

the top three, top four than

26:21

perhaps these outliers like Barron. The Red

26:23

Bull is poor because it doesn't

26:26

have a great window. And that is

26:28

the thing here. We

26:30

see McLaren are brilliant at every

26:32

circuit. And even the Mercedes now

26:34

and George Russell has again put

26:36

in a brilliant lap and has

26:38

been consistently one of the

26:40

best drivers this season. I think he's the

26:42

only driver to be in the top five

26:45

in every competitive session. Hello. Someone read the

26:47

graphic in practice. Beautiful stuff.

26:49

Someone's got the confidence. They've

26:52

got the confidence that their car will work

26:54

at every track. Red Bull don't. And it is

26:56

so similar to the end of last year,

26:58

where they would win a race and then be

27:00

nowhere, sometimes even between the sprint

27:02

and the main race. It's

27:04

such a fine margin. And we

27:06

know that when Max can get that

27:08

car where he likes it. He

27:11

will deliver and can even somehow

27:13

put it on pole and even win

27:15

races. But it's such

27:17

a, it's such a kind of

27:19

narrow margin that I would not

27:21

be surprised if we go into

27:23

the next race and they're literally

27:25

fighting for sixth again. Or I

27:27

say them, literally Max, because again,

27:29

he is miles ahead of his

27:31

teammate. And

27:33

yeah, that's just how Red Bull,

27:36

I think, are going to

27:38

go. So it just needs to

27:40

keep picking up points until

27:42

that change and whether that helps

27:44

them, we have to find

27:46

out. Fire

28:03

the wrong driver, yada, yada, yada. But

28:05

this is of course linked with the

28:07

fact that Hamilton is starting behind Carlos Sainz,

28:09

which is factual evidence. Sainz

28:12

starts sixth, Hamilton starts seventh. And

28:15

Hamilton, over

28:17

half a second off Charles Leclerc, and

28:20

the struggles from Bahrain

28:22

have continued into Saudi,

28:25

but more... I guess apart from Hamilton

28:27

in China, which may well turn out

28:29

to be an outlier or Ferrari got

28:31

it very right with him in the

28:33

car and he got it very right

28:35

to do a phenomenal job at the

28:37

China Sprint. Don't get me wrong. He

28:39

did an incredible job there. But apart

28:41

from that, yeah, his poor form from

28:44

just last year, the Mercedes in qualifying

28:46

has carried over to Ferrari now that

28:48

it seems Charles has got a handle

28:50

of the car and how he likes

28:52

it. It's

28:54

sad to see. I want to see

28:56

Hamilton right there with Leclerc, ideally half

28:58

a tenth behind. But

29:00

still, they're fighting around the top

29:02

five. But he's back -to -back

29:05

weekends now, seem to struggle at

29:07

very different tracks in terms

29:09

of the abrasiveness of the circuit,

29:11

et cetera, et cetera. But

29:13

we've also said in Friday, practice

29:15

when we spoke about Hamilton

29:17

even then, is that he's just

29:19

never really been that good

29:21

around here. It really isn't.

29:23

I'm particularly in qualifying. It feels

29:26

like it is becoming one of

29:28

his bogey tracks, especially in qualifying.

29:30

And as you mentioned, he never

29:32

qualified. He's been really struggling with

29:34

qualifying. That's the thing that he's

29:36

really struggled with recently. So it's

29:38

just continued. And I

29:40

think a lot of this, you

29:43

don't need to like put a driver

29:45

down. Just some respect on Carlos Sainz

29:47

for doing a brilliant job. And this

29:49

is more where we thought he was

29:51

going to be this year. It hasn't

29:53

happened for him so far. We saw

29:55

glimpses of it in Bahrain. And

29:58

yeah, he's done an amazing job. I

30:00

just wish he'd, even though

30:02

it had been over the expense

30:04

of Antonelli, got into P5.

30:07

So I could have replied some comments

30:09

that were saying, what was I smoking when

30:11

I put in P5 in the top

30:13

five? But alas, he did

30:15

not. But a great performance from

30:17

Science. And this is what we

30:19

were expecting him to do this

30:21

year. Exactly. A phenomenal performance from

30:24

Sines and Hamilton left questioning what's

30:26

going on. Next question, P1Patreon member,

30:28

CaptainObs3420. I know Matt won't want

30:30

to hear this. I love starting

30:32

a question with that in the

30:34

first part of it. But should

30:36

Ferrari throw in the towel and

30:39

focus on 2026? Yep,

30:41

chuck it in there. Guys, the white

30:43

flag is being waved from both... Wow. The

30:45

drivers and also the fans. I am

30:48

sick and tired of just believing that

30:50

maybe this year's our year and I

30:52

know it's a meme, I know it's

30:54

a joke, but how can

30:56

Ferrari, the most historical, winningest team

30:58

in the history of Formula One,

31:00

not deliver again for another year?

31:02

Now I will take a Monaco

31:04

slash Monza win and it will

31:06

feel like a championship win once

31:09

again. However, I need more

31:11

than that at some point and it's just

31:13

not... not there, and it hasn't even looked

31:15

close this weekend. I feel like Charles Leclerc

31:17

has put in a stonking lap in that

31:19

Ferrari to even get fourth. He's

31:21

looked off the pace for most of

31:23

it, struggled to put a lap

31:25

together. But it

31:27

comes back to what you

31:29

were saying, Tommy, in the

31:31

pre -season predictions that if Ferrari

31:33

aren't quick, they should

31:36

just chuck the towel in. And

31:38

I would much rather them be

31:40

really good in 26. than

31:42

even try to claw back what

31:44

is a massive deficit to McLaren

31:46

in my eyes. I know it's

31:48

what three -tenths to back to

31:51

Piastry or Piastry's in front to

31:53

Charlotte Clair, but in the race

31:55

trim, they just don't have it

31:57

either. So, yeah, I need to

31:59

go and cry in a dark

32:01

corner because, you know, we both

32:03

predicted Charlotte Clair pole position round

32:05

here. I thought maybe a front

32:07

row coming into it would be

32:09

possible, but no chance. Fourth

32:11

seems kind of over delivering doesn't it

32:13

from from what that car has had

32:15

which is pretty depressing reading You kind

32:17

of beat me to it there. I

32:19

was gonna say do I need to say

32:21

anything here? Or can you just go

32:23

on? After listening to

32:25

this podcast click on preseason predictions

32:27

before we saw any testing and

32:30

I said that Ferrari biggest flop

32:32

they're gonna why have they changed

32:34

their car? Completely into a

32:36

new season and they will basically

32:38

sack it in immediately after the

32:40

first four races when they're not

32:42

winning in McLaren and Clare. So

32:44

you're welcome. Broken Clock is right

32:46

twice a day. There you go,

32:49

Tommy. Well done. So happy. And

32:51

what a way to end this podcast. Really

32:53

enjoyed that. You best believe.

32:55

Tomorrow, watch along. Charlotte Clair gets Russell at

32:57

the start podium on. For Stappen and Piastri

32:59

have a little ding -dong. Charlotte Clair comes through.

33:01

There we go. Love

33:03

to see it. Tommy, what are

33:05

your final thoughts? I

33:07

love how... Just gone from yeah, it's

33:10

it's over to actually maybe maybe

33:12

we're back and and and it's funny

33:14

because not it's not it's not

33:16

the same I'm not I'm not gonna

33:18

pretend it isn't but I'm almost

33:20

getting a little taste of that that

33:22

Ferrari lifestyle but maybe slightly opposite

33:25

the other way around rather than it

33:27

being one race it's just it's

33:29

just that kind of like. Yeah.

33:31

Oh, bad race. And you're trying to say that

33:33

you've had a taste of story. That's right. I

33:35

mean, it's the opposite. It's the opposite way around

33:37

where you have one good race and you go

33:40

championship back on. I should have one bad race

33:42

and go, yeah, Max is out of it. It's

33:44

never happening. And now I'm like, could he? Could

33:46

he? But now you

33:48

haven't tasted anywhere near the

33:50

pain and depression I have of

33:52

being a Charlotte Claire fan.

33:54

It's definitely more enjoyable, though, watching

33:56

him be the underdog and

33:58

deliver those moments because they feel

34:00

you know, massive to be

34:03

able to take the fight to

34:05

McLaren and just a great

34:07

qualifying again. And I can't wait

34:09

for the race. Yeah, it's set up

34:11

the race beautifully. So we'll be

34:13

live on Twitch and YouTube as always. Come and

34:15

watch along to the race with us. And that

34:17

is it. We'll see you very soon. Lots of

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love. Take care. Adios. Oh,

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