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2:16

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2:18

everything else in between. And

2:21

we thought we'd discuss it because

2:23

there was obviously quite strong rumors, wasn't

2:25

there Tommy, where we genuinely thought,

2:27

oh my god. Max Verstappen could go

2:29

to Mercedes last year. you remember

2:31

when that all kicked off? And that

2:33

was crazy. That was that was

2:36

crazy and did have some legs. It

2:38

wasn't like we don't tend to

2:40

just jump on random rumors. But once

2:42

again, obviously the main talking point

2:44

is about Max and where he will

2:46

go in 2026 and beyond. And

2:48

we've essentially got different teams that we're

2:50

going to talk about that could be a

2:52

potential and grade it out of 10

2:54

as to how sure or how much of

2:56

a probability we think it will be

2:58

that he will end up in that team.

3:01

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3:03

your favorite goats? I

3:05

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3:07

how the rumors have ramped up

3:09

again already in the season and probably

3:11

helped a little bit. They had

3:13

that really poor race in Bahrain, but

3:15

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3:17

Saudi, but the rumors have really like

3:19

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3:21

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4:02

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4:41

with Mercedes. Ooh.

4:44

Ooh, my

4:46

chance of joining in

4:48

2026 is three out

4:50

of 10. I personally

4:52

cannot see this happening for

4:54

a number of reasons. Now,

4:57

we know that Toto Wolf is

4:59

essentially in love with Max Verstappen.

5:02

We've seen that before. There's been

5:04

open flirting. That's

5:07

kind of where it ends. And also, Toto more

5:09

recently said that he doesn't openly flirt when he's

5:11

happy in his relationship and this and that. There

5:13

was a joke about Susan Wolfe. Whoa. I

5:16

don't see this happening.

5:18

George Russell is performing

5:20

incredibly well. Do

5:23

you really need to shake

5:25

up the boat? I know

5:27

that he really wants Max Verstappen, but

5:30

I just cannot see this happening in

5:32

2026. Not that it will never happen. There

5:35

have been rumors. to suggest that Rebel

5:37

have spoken to Russell about a switch. Why

5:39

would George Russell voluntarily go

5:41

to that team in Rebel?

5:43

I don't know. Because another

5:45

suggested, I don't know if

5:47

a rumor or just speculation, whatever you want to

5:50

call it, then Mercedes is going to be

5:52

the fastest team in 2026, moving forward, you know,

5:54

with this engine formula. Mercedes, Ferrari, they look

5:56

like they should be the front runners. George

5:58

George will go to Red

6:00

Bull kicking and screaming in

6:02

my opinion. So that's one

6:04

problem as well I cannot

6:06

say happening, but three out

6:09

of ten because them a

6:11

tiny bit, you know, I

6:13

Have gone for a one

6:15

out of ten chance of

6:17

Mercedes this I think just

6:19

to go on the whole

6:21

Russell thing I think However

6:24

much Russell is doing an amazing job and I've

6:26

said this many times in the podcast He's been one

6:28

of the drivers of the year and he's performing

6:30

incredibly well. I

6:32

Think however much You know,

6:34

he's doing a great job

6:36

if Max Verstappen became available

6:38

and Mercedes could get him

6:40

Unfairly, I think almost in

6:42

the same way like Carlos

6:45

Sainz leaving Ferrari I think

6:47

they would make the switch

6:49

because Mercedes what would want,

6:51

you know high profile star

6:53

driver after losing, um,

6:57

after losing Lewis Hamilton, of course.

6:59

And while George is one of

7:01

the top drivers in Formula One,

7:03

there's more to it than that.

7:05

We know how much Toto wants

7:07

him. But the reason I've gone

7:09

for a one out of 10

7:11

is I just can't see this,

7:13

this happening now. Um, particularly next

7:15

season, I think the way that

7:17

Toto, um, after the

7:19

whole kind of beef between

7:21

Russell and uh Verstappen at the

7:23

end of last season and the

7:25

way Toto kind of stood with

7:27

George and was like saying all

7:29

this uh it kind of like

7:31

stood stood with him um makes

7:33

me think that I don't I

7:36

don't see it happening just yet

7:38

maybe in the future and maybe

7:40

those kind of that side of

7:42

its healed a bit but I

7:44

just I just can't see Mercedes

7:46

at this moment in time as

7:48

a max fan I would

7:50

like to see it because without getting

7:52

into 2026 predictions, I think Mercedes

7:54

are going to be light years ahead

7:56

of Red Bull. I

7:59

saw your

8:02

eyes. But it's Ferraris here.

8:05

But no, of Red Bull, who

8:07

I think will struggle next season. But

8:10

I just can't see this switch

8:12

happening at this point in time. Okie

8:15

dokie, we now head to Aston Martin, Tom

8:18

Bellingham. For Aston

8:20

Martin, it's a six

8:22

out of ten for

8:24

Aston Martin. I think

8:26

this, if he's gonna go

8:28

anywhere, I think it's gonna

8:31

be Aston Martin, you know,

8:33

if he decides to leave Red Bull. Because

8:36

not only, you

8:39

know, do we have Adrian Newey

8:41

there now, there's also

8:43

the Honda connection. So

8:46

they're almost becoming like,

8:48

Red Bull without Christian

8:50

Horner. And that's probably

8:52

quite a good thing based on

8:55

the relationship that Max has had and

8:57

seemingly his father as well have

8:59

had with Red Bull recently. That

9:02

being said, there are a

9:04

lot of the reason I'm

9:06

not like hugely backing it

9:08

is there are a lot

9:10

of rumors going around about

9:13

Lawrence paying the big bucks for

9:15

him and what they do with

9:17

Fernando. I saw some journalists talking

9:19

to Fernando Alonso in the press

9:21

conference and going, so what

9:23

do you think about having Verstappen as

9:25

your teammate next year? And I'm thinking, I'm

9:28

sorry, but if anyone's moving

9:30

aside, it is not

9:32

Lance Stroll. And I know

9:34

there's talk that the

9:36

Saudi Arabian kind of backing

9:38

they might buy a

9:40

larger share. But there is

9:43

no way now Lawrence Stroll has paid

9:45

all this money for Adrian Nui to

9:47

join the team. He sacks off the

9:49

kind of project now and leaves his

9:51

son without a seat. That's like playing

9:53

50 hours of the video game, getting

9:55

to the final boss and then going,

9:57

no, I don't fancy it, I'm gonna

9:59

turn off and never play it again.

10:02

It's just not, that side isn't

10:04

gonna happen. But alongside Lance,

10:06

next year... I think there'll be

10:08

strong talks about it. I

10:10

think you'll definitely have conversations for

10:12

sure. Interesting.

10:14

I've gone for a 5 out of 10

10:16

for Aston Martin. So similarly to you, I think

10:18

that if he was to make the switch,

10:21

it would be Aston over Mercedes. It

10:23

is, like you say, Red

10:26

Bull without Christian Horner and

10:29

probably a lot more money as

10:31

well to boot, not that

10:33

Max Verstappen seems particularly money motivated.

10:36

I think that Remember as well,

10:38

we're talking about this in 2026, I

10:41

wholeheartedly believe should

10:43

he stay at Red

10:45

Bull, he

10:47

will then stay at Red Bull in

10:49

2026, Red Bull are not that great,

10:51

Aston Martin potentially are really good, Mercedes,

10:54

that's when 27, he

10:57

can bounce. That's how I

10:59

see it really unfolding, really,

11:01

is that he has

11:04

the luxury of Staying

11:07

at a team and then picking

11:09

and choosing similarly to Lewis Hamilton. He

11:11

can go wherever he wants a

11:13

driver will have to move over But

11:16

it's still a five out of

11:18

ten depends how the second half of

11:20

this season goes does he The

11:22

the relationships falter even more we'll have

11:24

to wait and see but Aston

11:26

Martin should in theory Become pretty good

11:29

and I think people know as

11:31

well, you know, we mentioned about the

11:33

fact that he could he could

11:35

essentially sit there I'd wait

11:37

a year and then he

11:39

knows the kind of pecking order

11:41

and while that is true

11:43

to some extent I Find it

11:45

fascinating how the teams and

11:47

for whatever reason they'll never know

11:49

exactly right but going into

11:51

formula one seasons the teams and

11:53

Obviously, it's like you know

11:55

talking and rumors and and everyone

11:57

having their own kind of

12:00

winter no tests and all that

12:02

kind of stuff They do

12:04

have an idea of the pecking order,

12:06

you know, Max has happened at the start

12:08

of this year was basically going, McLaren

12:10

going to be so clear. And that has

12:12

kind of been the case at the

12:14

start of the season. And, you know, years

12:16

gone by, they've kind of predicted things

12:18

are going to happen. So they will be

12:20

like Mercedes when they were obviously really

12:22

good. So there will be

12:24

like Intel there. And he will

12:26

he will be able to know

12:29

even before he goes there and

12:31

drives the car. if

12:33

Aston Martin is looking like a better

12:35

prospect than Red Bull and how that

12:37

that kind of engine development goes there

12:39

because I think that's the key thing

12:41

here. Yeah, I would say that

12:43

he would have some kind of

12:45

insight if you were comparing where he

12:47

currently is to an Aston Martin.

12:49

I don't think he will have, or

12:52

many people have a clue, especially

12:54

into 2026, the exact pecking order

12:56

considering the massive overhaul, the things we're

12:58

hearing about the engine. cutting out halfway down

13:00

the straight and all kinds of stuff.

13:02

So I do feel as though a lot

13:05

of it is very much a lottery.

13:07

And perhaps maybe that's why Max would, if

13:09

Red Bull, you know, say the right

13:11

things, he might just stay for another year.

13:13

Because I know we're writing Red Bull

13:15

off, but they have invested a huge amount

13:17

of money to develop their own powertrain

13:19

as well. So it's not as if they're

13:21

going to be, it's not going to

13:24

be Fred Flintstone and they're going to be

13:26

just peddling. That is a really old

13:28

reference with their feet at the bottom of

13:30

the car. But yeah, it's It's still

13:32

only a five for me, for Aston Martin.

13:35

Red Bull! What are

13:37

the chances of him staying there

13:39

in 2026? For me, it is

13:41

a 9 out of 10. He's

13:44

staying. There's just so much

13:46

waffle. Loads of waffle going on in

13:48

the world of Formula One, but I just

13:50

can't see him moving in 2026. Why

13:53

would he want to... Of course,

13:55

he's having a child as well. Why

13:57

would he want to sort of...

13:59

himself into a new team, have that

14:01

whole kerfuffle as well as everything

14:04

else going on in his personal life.

14:06

I can't see it personally, as

14:08

I say, and as I said on the

14:10

Aston Martin point, if Red Bull say the

14:12

right things, they show him, look,

14:15

this powertrain is not going to be 30

14:17

miles an hour slower than Mercedes down the

14:19

straight. Look, we promise. Look at this. Then

14:21

I think he'll stay, especially if the car's

14:23

reasonably competitive this year, not that it matters

14:25

too much because of the massive overhaul. I

14:28

just can't see him changing in

14:30

26. However, as I mentioned,

14:32

27, I think that's when

14:34

Max leaves. I've

14:36

gone for a 9 out of

14:38

10 as well. I do think

14:41

Red Bull is looking like the

14:43

more than likely option for next

14:45

season, not to say that he

14:47

won't leave at some point in

14:49

the future, but despite all the

14:51

issues that they've had and sometimes

14:54

the car's not been there and

14:56

his kind of quite what I

14:58

say public is public nowadays liking

15:00

an Instagram post about how Red

15:02

Bull treated Lawson and maybe sometimes

15:04

he Can kind of Make his

15:07

feelings known because he's quite an

15:09

honest an honest guy about Red

15:11

Bull and their situation I think

15:13

he is loyal to them particularly

15:15

helmet Marco who's the guy that

15:17

brought him into Formula one in

15:20

the first place and took the

15:22

risk to kind of get

15:24

him into a Formula 1 car, which is

15:26

obviously paid off massively. And

15:28

there's also other sides to

15:30

it that it's not just

15:32

the moving and the competitive

15:34

side of it. You

15:37

know, he's got his

15:39

own kind of endurance team

15:41

now, like the Stappen Racing

15:43

by Red Bull and all this kind of stuff

15:45

that I do think that he's kind of

15:47

loyal to them for now. And

15:50

it's a very good point

15:52

what you mentioned. as well the

15:54

fact that we'll go into

15:56

this point next about uh you

15:58

know him obviously having a

16:00

kid and stuff but yeah changing

16:03

at this stage it just

16:05

doesn't really make too much sense

16:07

even though I

16:09

am of the opinion that Red

16:12

Bull won't be particularly great next year.

16:14

I'm slightly concerned. That's just

16:16

a prediction, of course. We don't know until we get there.

16:18

don't dominate now, aren't they? Now that you've written them

16:20

off. I know what you're doing. I've just seen what you're

16:22

doing. You're trying to put some bad juju in the

16:24

world. I don't. I really don't see it in an engine

16:26

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16:28

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finally, the chances

18:38

of him going on paternity

18:40

leave or a sabbatical. Zero

18:43

out of ten. No

18:46

chance. I saw this

18:48

rumor kind of appear again. I think

18:50

it was Andrew Benson from a

18:53

BBC that kind of brought it

18:55

forward. I feel like Karun maybe said

18:57

this last year as well. It's

19:00

been thrown around a few

19:02

times and I think it gets

19:04

thrown around because Max says

19:06

the things that he does about

19:08

his family and how they

19:10

mean everything to him and he

19:12

wants to kind of have

19:14

that childhood that he never had

19:16

and also support his family

19:18

and that is the most important

19:20

thing to him even. More

19:22

than being a champion and I

19:24

do genuinely believe that but

19:26

I Feel like that stage of

19:28

his life will come when

19:30

he decides to quit and he

19:32

can do the things he

19:34

wants to do after Formula 1

19:36

when he's retired, which may

19:38

be earlier than than most do

19:40

you know age -wise and Then

19:42

he can you spend time

19:44

with his family or do Le

19:46

Mans racing with his dad

19:48

or things like that But

19:50

I don't see it happening now,

19:53

even though, yes, you know,

19:55

his baby is due

19:57

this year, I don't see

19:59

that side to him that he'd

20:01

kind of thrown the towel when he

20:03

is at the peak of his

20:05

kind of performance and his driving ability,

20:07

because although he says records don't

20:09

matter, he still clearly

20:12

loves Formula One and it's easier

20:14

said than done to kind

20:16

of get away from it. This

20:19

may surprise you This is a

20:21

disagreement coming as a zero out

20:23

of ten zero out of ten

20:25

no chance This is a rumor

20:27

that I do not give any

20:29

kind of credibility to just I

20:31

just can't see it happening. He

20:33

is in the peak condition. It's

20:35

27 years old. He is driving

20:38

phenomenally and I'm similar I'm similarly

20:40

sort of I have similar thinking

20:42

to you in the sense of

20:44

When he goes, he goes. That'll

20:46

be it. You know, whether it's

20:48

when he's 30 years old, 32,

20:50

whatever. That's when

20:52

he will put up his racing

20:54

gloves for Formula One and spend

20:56

time with this kid. I

20:58

think as well, you know, a lot of people

21:00

look at this where he says, I really want

21:02

to spend time with my family. I

21:05

mean, he's a very rich man. He

21:07

can still try and see his kid as

21:09

much as possible across these years. I

21:12

know, obviously, it takes a lot of his

21:14

time up, but. At the same time, I know

21:16

he would do everything he can to see

21:18

his family as much as possible. He's got a

21:20

private jet. He's got a private jet. Just

21:22

pop the baby on there. Absolutely fine. I

21:24

don't know when babies can fly, but not literally,

21:26

I mean, go on planes. You probably

21:29

know more than that, Tommy, because then you have a

21:31

child. But back to my point. It's

21:33

not gonna happen and this is

21:35

where you know this will get clipped

21:37

up where he announces his retirement

21:39

at the end of the year And

21:41

then we will say well actually

21:44

we said it wasn't gonna be a

21:46

sabbatical not retiring Yes, I cannot

21:48

see that one happening now we put

21:50

a poll out for all of

21:52

you wonderful lot to have your say

21:54

with over 77 ,000 votes and The

21:56

results are in in fourth position

21:58

out of the four that we've suggested

22:00

was Mercedes with 10 %

22:02

of the vote. In

22:05

third place is Aston

22:07

Martin with 16%, which means

22:09

in second place, with

22:11

17%, people think he's going

22:13

on a sabbatical. CLA

22:15

to Max 2026, Charlotte Gleir,

22:17

champion of the world.

22:19

Thank you very much indeed.

22:22

And finally, 57 % reckon that

22:24

he's going to stay. at Red

22:26

Bull. So that is very

22:28

interesting reading. A sabbatical over Mercedes.

22:32

Yeah, and Aston Martin. People more

22:34

convinced that he will, yeah,

22:36

just pack it in altogether or

22:38

take a break than he would

22:40

go to another team other than

22:42

Red Bull at this moment. That

22:45

being still... He can't do a minute

22:47

hacking on Tommy, surely? I know. He's

22:49

still, it's still, you know, 57 %

22:51

at Red Bull. I know

22:53

it's the overwhelming vote, but... that kind

22:55

of it's only just over half of

22:57

people think he's going to stay in

22:59

that team. So it's definitely up in

23:01

the air still. Fascinating

23:04

stuff. I'm sure you'll

23:06

be writing your comments. I'm interested to hear

23:08

the ones that have said Aston Mercedes and also

23:10

Sabatical. So let us know in the comments. And

23:13

finally, before we wrap up, we

23:15

have one last question, which is, will

23:18

Max stay at Red Bull his

23:20

whole career or join another team before

23:22

retirement? And if so, Name that

23:24

team. I do

23:26

believe he will leave Red Bull,

23:28

as I have said consistently

23:30

throughout this podcast, but it is

23:32

purely down to performance. If

23:35

Red Bull come up the blocks

23:37

in 2026 and they are fast

23:39

and fighting for wins, then I

23:41

don't see him leaving one bit.

23:43

He will only leave if the

23:45

car is not good enough for

23:47

him to achieve his goals. And

23:49

I firmly believe that. And if

23:51

it ripples bad, then Aston

23:53

Martin. Yeah,

23:55

I think if he does go

23:58

it will be Aston Martin as well.

24:01

I think during the live shows

24:03

I said that I think

24:05

he would stay his whole career.

24:08

But I do keep changing my

24:10

mind. I think maybe it's more

24:12

likely that he will stay his

24:14

whole career. But

24:16

I wouldn't count out the move to Aston

24:18

Martin at some point just because of

24:20

the Honda and Nui connection that he knows

24:22

really well. And just

24:25

one curveball to throw into

24:27

the mix is Ferrari. And

24:30

I think it's

24:32

incredibly unlikely. But

24:34

I think I do see the

24:36

Stappen being the kind of person like

24:39

a Lewis Hamilton that would love

24:41

to drive for them. I just don't

24:43

know how that would happen now. with

24:46

him. Charlotte, he sends Charlotte to Salber, I

24:48

swear to God, I'm done. What,

24:50

and have Verstappen and Hamilton at Ferrari, just

24:52

like chaos. All the aura points,

24:54

that's what we're going for. And

24:56

I do think he would really like to

24:58

do that. However, obviously

25:00

Hamilton's gone there now. And

25:03

I can't see Verstappen and

25:05

Leclerc as teammates, even though they

25:07

get on really well, I think

25:10

that dynamic and and they're kind

25:12

of friendship comes from

25:14

them not being teammates if you

25:16

like I'd be it'd be amazing to

25:18

watch but I can't I could

25:20

never see them being teammates so it

25:22

would all rely on on char

25:24

leaving Ferrari and that that seems incredibly

25:26

unlikely does seem like a loyal

25:28

man that will want to win that

25:31

title no matter what it takes

25:33

even if that year is 2073 I

25:36

can't believe we haven't spoken about Alpine. You know, could

25:38

he go to Alpine? Is it in a shock move?

25:40

Flavio. Maybe wants to, you know,

25:43

team up with Flavio and

25:45

off he pops to Endstone. And

25:47

McLaren, of course. I mean McLaren.

25:49

No, I can't imagine that Max and

25:51

Lando as teammates or it would

25:54

be Oscar would Lando then have to

25:56

go to Red Bull We've spoken

25:58

about Lando to Red Bull a few

26:00

years ago that it's it's great,

26:02

isn't it the driver transfer market just

26:04

provides a lot of discussion And

26:06

I'm sure Max will just do the

26:08

boring thing and stay at Red

26:10

Bull after all of this I hope

26:12

he doesn't be chaos wouldn't it

26:14

again and it would yes, it would

26:17

also kickstart more chaos because you

26:19

kind of feel like With Hamilton's

26:21

move to Ferrari, that was

26:23

the kind of driver market craziness

26:25

that happened. But if Max

26:27

does move somewhere, it's going to happen

26:29

all over again. And it would just completely

26:31

shuffle the whole grid again, I think,

26:33

which would be amazing. And as we've spoken

26:35

about, it's certainly not out the question.

26:38

It would be amazing apart from the really

26:40

good driver that gets kicked out of

26:42

a potential top team and then it wouldn't

26:44

be amazing for that certain individual and

26:46

similar to Carlos Sainz from Ferrari. Right, that

26:48

is it Tommy. What are your final

26:50

thoughts please? Final thoughts are

26:52

that the more I'm talking about it

26:55

the more I do want to

26:57

see Max drive for a different team

26:59

just for just about to and

27:01

to see him in just to see

27:03

what it takes because I do

27:05

like to see drivers Give

27:07

it a go in in something a bit

27:09

different. Give it a go. Give it a go.

27:11

Go on. Why not? They look like in

27:13

the different color overalls. Max, I'm sure you're not

27:15

watching this, but Tommy says give it a

27:17

go. And that might well be the straw

27:20

that broke the camel's back. Off he goes. Maybe. Has

27:22

soon come. There you go. Thank you, everybody. We'll see

27:24

you very soon. Lots of love. Take care. Bye -bye. Bye.

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