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to as quickly as we can. Breakdown

1:20

Green Bay's day two

1:23

selections and preview day

1:25

three and What

1:27

happened I just I felt like the

1:29

camera was really weird like you said it up

1:31

and I don't want to sit any closer

1:33

to you To be on your lap

1:36

When I said what

1:38

happened I was more referring

1:40

to you know, what happened

1:42

yesterday, how did this happen? Well,

1:45

they took a

1:48

big offensive lineman That

1:50

was not ranked very high in the on

1:52

the consensus big board and ranked even

1:54

lower by Rasa one.

1:56

Yeah as public as Stated

1:58

many a times on the

2:00

web But and then

2:03

they took a wide

2:05

receiver maybe But no, and

2:07

I don't mean like

2:09

to be down on

2:11

saving but the I

2:13

don't I will say we talked

2:15

about this the two positions. I trust

2:17

the most for the Packers when

2:20

they're making their evaluations or wide

2:22

receiver and offensive line. So even

2:24

if I'm not wild about the belt and pick,

2:26

I'm going to just err on the side of

2:28

Green Bay is usually right about these guys. And

2:31

he is, he fits

2:33

what they like to do. I mean, he

2:35

is, he's heavier. You know, that's been something

2:37

that we've kind of looked at the last

2:39

several years. I haven't really taken anyone as

2:41

big as him. Although if he

2:43

plays guard, he's not that different from

2:45

Ryan. In size and they'll

2:48

do that like if if Brian's not

2:50

lying which I thought was funny because

2:52

if you listen to his press conference

2:54

We think he's a tackle. Maybe Who

2:56

does he remind you of? T.

2:58

J. Lang and Josh

3:01

sitting So they weren't so

3:03

yeah, so I think he's a guard

3:05

I think he's the right guard of

3:07

the future. I think him and banks

3:09

like I don't know And to

3:11

be fair I had a fourth round

3:14

grade on Belton, which means I think

3:16

he can be a starter Yeah, like

3:18

I just wouldn't have taken him around too.

3:20

Obviously I wouldn't have a fourth round

3:22

grade on him They love him clearly

3:24

visited him a Very

3:27

rare human to

3:29

pass there But I tell

3:31

you what if you want to

3:33

criticize the Packers for a Raz

3:35

pick That's what this was

3:37

all all good. He said was There

3:39

aren't many people that move like him

3:41

at that size. just like, that's a

3:43

razz card. And fine. Right, right. Like

3:46

we talked about, and this is something

3:48

that I still just wonder, right?

3:50

Like, they don't take

3:53

the six, seven, 350 pound

3:55

guy. Usually that guy doesn't

3:57

move like they want him to move. And

3:59

those guys, usually if they do, they go

4:01

early. And so that in

4:03

the package, we're never picking early. So

4:05

to me, it's like, okay, well, do they then have

4:07

to Kind of

4:09

You know take the guy that's

4:11

305 that isn't as big it doesn't have the

4:13

long arms and so and this time I think

4:15

it was they had to take the guy who

4:17

was 24 years old Could be yeah, he

4:19

was he's an older prospect. So

4:21

I think you're either I think he's gonna

4:23

play guard It's interesting though that it seems

4:25

like they don't really like Sean Ryan And

4:27

it seems like they maybe don't love Rashid

4:30

Walker either or maybe they just don't love

4:32

them enough to look at the market and

4:34

say This guy is good Good

4:37

players are getting a lot of money on the

4:39

open market. We want to especially the sheet

4:41

money is gonna get seen we want to pay

4:43

Yeah, great. We want to pay a really

4:45

a great player and so that's To

4:47

me I think that's kind of what this

4:49

says to me or maybe not. I don't

4:51

know. They also could be I've seen this throughout.

4:53

I think this makes a lot of

4:55

sense You got you got your

4:57

stuff handed to you in the playoffs because you

4:59

didn't have a plan You didn't have a plan

5:01

beyond your top five. Yeah, and and some of

5:03

that was just injury luck some of that was just Maybe

5:06

some weird roster choices on

5:09

game day, but I

5:11

think they want seven eight guys that can play

5:13

which is never I mean, that's not a

5:15

bad idea That's not a bad thing to have

5:17

because that is a that is a

5:19

position that there is attrition

5:21

Often like these guys are there's no

5:23

way off through your five starters

5:25

are gonna play all 17 games. It's

5:27

very unlikely. So you need guys that

5:30

can play six seven eight deep And

5:32

I think that's what they're looking at with this. And if

5:34

they would have taken Anthony Belton two or three rounds later, excuse

5:37

me, one or two rounds later, fine.

5:41

I just, I didn't like the value. Historically,

5:44

and here's where the interesting thing

5:46

is to me, is you're

5:48

right. And

5:51

the internet slash is, slash I

5:53

am right. Brian Gudekunst

5:55

has struggled. When he goes

5:57

way away from consensus, they have

5:59

not been good picks. There's not a

6:01

lot of Examples

6:03

of other than I

6:05

guess maybe Like you're

6:08

to AJ Dylan he was kind of

6:10

dunking on people's heads because Dylan was

6:12

really good But that then that ended up

6:14

not like working out like wonderfully. Yeah,

6:16

there are not a lot of Brian Gudakun's

6:18

goes way off the system AJ Dylan's

6:20

part of the best yeah, and that says

6:22

a lot and so if he wasn't

6:24

bad he wasn't but he just like wasn't,

6:26

he's fine. Tyron Hopper last year. Hopper

6:29

so far, not great. Um, Josiah

6:31

Deguara, so far. Josiah Deguara was not

6:33

great. Was not great. Amari Rogers, not

6:36

great. Was that that different than consensus? I,

6:38

or was that just odd? I

6:41

think it was similar to like with

6:43

Elton. Okay. Okay. Two rounds basically. Okay.

6:46

With that said, wide

6:49

receiver and old mine are where I'm

6:51

willing to basically shut up because they

6:54

know ball and

6:56

while those things have not worked out great, those

7:00

two positions. And I'll say this,

7:02

I've gotten hurt because we're going to

7:04

transition to the save on Williams pick

7:06

that I've kind of talked myself

7:08

into. You look at consensus, I think it

7:10

was pretty close actually when they took him.

7:12

I was lower on saving on Williams and

7:14

part of that is trying to learn from

7:16

my mistakes. I was very high,

7:19

very high on the Debo

7:21

Samuel. LaVisca

7:23

Chanel and Malachi

7:25

Corley and Debo

7:28

worked I looked really smart for a

7:30

little bit and then he got a huge

7:32

contract and now they're like trying to offload and

7:34

for nothing and Debo was a good pick

7:36

don't don't don't don't get that twisted but visca

7:38

never worked and

7:40

Malachi Corley

7:43

It's one year, but he's

7:45

been sort of like and what we're

7:47

talking about is these project

7:50

the Corderole Patterson like you guys that once

7:52

the ball is in their hand, it's

7:54

awesome. They're terrifying, but like how do we

7:56

get it? How do we

7:58

get it into their hands? Yeah, and

8:01

so I'll say like of those three

8:03

guys you just mentioned of the

8:05

Corleys of the Corderole's of the only

8:07

one of them was in a

8:09

shenanigans offense and that was depot and

8:11

now Savion will be the other

8:13

and so you want to know how

8:15

they're gonna use Savion go look

8:17

at how I would I would

8:19

expect go look at how the 49ers use Devo

8:21

look at how they use Tyler Irving in

8:23

the past. So yeah, there's a

8:25

blueprint and that's worth it Okay, I'll

8:27

tell you this if it works well

8:29

and Brian got mad when not we

8:32

got mad, but somebody said gadget. He's

8:34

like, no, he's a wide receiver Sure,

8:36

yeah, but even if he

8:38

works really well as a gadget

8:40

guy and as a return specialist, that's

8:42

worth a third round pick I

8:44

think after kind of getting over it

8:48

Thinking about it, I'm much more annoyed

8:50

by the Belton pick than I am by

8:52

the Savion pick. I actually get it the

8:54

Savion pick I think he could be

8:56

super useful and in the

8:58

third round You don't have

9:00

to go get a full -time starter. It's

9:03

I don't think the hit rate

9:05

would would really justify that and

9:07

we'll look at the

9:09

Belton pick To me

9:11

the the biggest frustration was is there was

9:13

a lot of good players on the board

9:15

that I was like man This guy would

9:17

come in right away corners and pass like

9:20

Tray almost would potentially start for this team

9:22

Revelled potentially start for this team landed Jackson

9:24

would be a really nice depth developmental

9:26

piece at edge They were all sitting

9:28

there and you know my green if you're

9:30

not if you're not if you're into that Yeah, if

9:32

you're if you're okay with that, but and you

9:34

know it doesn't or if he just passes you

9:36

I mean if you Like what

9:38

you are not like if you accept what

9:40

you found in your investigation. We're not here

9:42

to write and But at the

9:45

same time like hey if Belton works out and

9:47

he's a really good player for you then

9:49

cares What do you think you know and that's

9:51

and that happens that happens a lot where

9:53

the consent even though well actually the Consensus is

9:55

usually pretty good. Yeah, I can say that

9:57

consensus is wrong but it isn't it really isn't

9:59

so We'll see. I

10:01

hope they're right. I get it. I

10:03

get the tools. And that was what I was getting to

10:05

earlier is when you look at the Packard Report draft

10:07

guide and you look at Belton, the

10:09

red flag on hand would be how big he

10:11

was. We have him listed as a tackle

10:14

in the guide. And I think he's going to get a

10:16

shot to play there. But I think he's going to, in

10:18

his rookie year specifically, I think he'll

10:20

be a guy that, if

10:22

you're not starting, can we have you

10:24

play three positions where you kind of do this

10:26

super stuff across the board if we can get you to

10:28

that spot as a rookie? But like

10:30

with him, they love a short shuttle

10:32

and they love a three cone and

10:34

he is right there in both of them

10:36

for his size. At being huge. Yeah.

10:39

And so I think that's really what

10:41

it is. It's like we like the way

10:43

he moves. So I'll say this

10:45

as well. And then let's kind

10:47

of let's move to day three

10:49

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12:05

you know, you're so negative. I

12:08

have been accused of being such a

12:10

massive Packers homer and being such a

12:12

hole that I hope it's somewhere in the

12:14

middle. If the

12:16

Packers receiving course stays healthy, there's

12:18

a chance these three top 100

12:20

picks don't do very much because even

12:23

good wide

12:26

receive. Think about going to Adams. Think

12:28

about... good wide receiver prospects take

12:30

a year and a half sometimes. Some

12:32

of them, let's go. And

12:34

I think Matthew Golden has some polish where that's

12:36

a possibility. But there's a possibility

12:38

if Reed, Wicks, and Dobbs stay healthy that

12:40

Matthew Golden is fourth on the pecking order

12:43

this year. Just because he's a rookie, not

12:45

because he's not the most talented guy, just

12:47

because he's a rookie. There is

12:49

a chance, my brothers,

12:51

that you don't see Savion Williams

12:53

this season, other than to return kicks

12:55

because Keshon said he won't do it anymore. Yeah,

12:58

and I wonder I do wonder if it

13:00

is the tower urban package where it's okay,

13:02

sure Okay, you're gonna return kicks and we've

13:04

got a place got a place for you

13:06

and you're gonna maybe get them up And

13:08

then I think if things go well, you

13:10

don't see Anthony Belton I don't think there's

13:12

a I don't think you want to see

13:14

Anthony Belton So it's you it's just one

13:16

of those situations where man number one You

13:18

hope goodies board is good because boy at

13:20

that press conference. He

13:22

said the board about 11

13:24

times and I get it But

13:27

he also said, I mean, it sounded like the

13:29

board didn't really fall the way they wanted it

13:31

to. Because the first thing he said, he's like,

13:33

I didn't expect to be up here talking about

13:35

two wide receivers in the first two days. And

13:38

so that to me would

13:40

say there were some opponents. I

13:42

think Kansas City knew, and I think

13:44

they sniped no Williams. Maybe. That's our

13:46

fault. But

13:49

yeah, he was very much a packet type, and he's

13:51

a good player. And I think that was a target for

13:53

them at round three. I think they specifically moved up

13:55

two spots in front of Green Bay for that. Anyway,

13:59

so yeah, a

14:02

concern when you're a Super Bowl contender. And

14:04

I think there's a chance that you don't

14:07

see your second or third round this year. Right.

14:11

And or Belton comes out and

14:13

just takes one's job, that that would

14:15

be be cool because

14:17

I would that would mean he is

14:19

really good. Yeah, like from from

14:21

jump three like oh This guy's awesome.

14:23

He needs to be on the

14:25

field. That would be cool and

14:27

he's 24. So it's not like

14:29

I mean you is he like

14:31

he's the same age as Sean

14:33

Ryan That's probably true. Okay looking

14:35

forward to today three You've got

14:37

five picks because you got

14:39

two seventh rounders Brian just said

14:41

he wants more picks. So we'll see how that

14:43

goes you

14:45

would think it would be defense heavy, just

14:48

to sort of round out the roster.

14:50

They need a linebacker, they need

14:53

a nose tackle, like

14:55

half to have it. They might

14:57

take CJ West in round four and play

14:59

him more than any of the guys they

15:01

took in front of him. I'm serious, it

15:03

could happen. Barron

15:05

Sorrell for me, defensive end,

15:07

Ed Rusher guy from Texas. Would

15:11

love that would change my

15:13

opinion of this draft

15:15

a lot Just take Shadr

15:18

take at this point.

15:20

I'm serious. I wouldn't

15:22

but I would

15:26

I The haters can

15:28

hate and this has nothing

15:30

to do with my bit about maybe

15:32

Jordan loves not good. It's this

15:34

is like Shadr is my 20th

15:36

overall player We're in round four.

15:38

I would just take him I

15:41

think for all the reasons he's falling, that would be

15:43

a mess in Green Bay. But Green Bay

15:46

is the most you get. Well, Jordan

15:48

comes out and throws one bad ball

15:50

into his on Twitter. I

15:52

blocked my boy in. I

15:54

blocked Dion's number and blocked all his

15:57

social media accounts and just go forth. Yeah,

15:59

that's what this one's gonna have to do,

16:01

I bet. Dude, by the way, one bad ball

16:03

from Jordan, I would be like. You

16:06

have my phone number. I'm in the DMs.

16:09

I know what you're, I know how you are.

16:11

Oh man. This guy's not here in Rochester

16:13

so you have to fill the ball on

16:15

a pin on a needle every single time.

16:18

I've been spoiled. Yes, you have. Anything

16:20

else? Like you said, I really like, I

16:22

think CJ West would be great. Sorrell

16:24

would be great. Yeah, I'm

16:27

not going to say anyone because yesterday we were

16:29

like, oh man, there's like 18 guys we

16:31

really like still and then they took zero of

16:33

them and they were available. So

16:35

we'll see. I He's

16:39

good. I like the, I think the L

16:41

and take Jalen Royals. Why don't they just take

16:43

Jalen Royals? I don't know. I don't

16:45

know, Joshua I someone they brought in for

16:47

a visit. He could be someone that they target,

16:49

know. I from Nebraska is more of that.

16:51

Farmer would be a really good I He's 305.

16:53

I don't know if he's playing nose for

16:55

you, but like he's not. Right. He's not Kobe

16:57

Wooden. it was the Ellis, the one

17:00

of the say, the other say John, say John

17:02

Jones, Wayne, is Swinton still there? Swinton's still there,

17:04

that'd be a really good pick, and he's big

17:06

enough for them, I think. Yeah,

17:08

so that's what I actually

17:10

thought was happening when Dave

17:12

Robinson was like, say beyond, and I was like, oh,

17:14

they took the LSU ad, so it's interesting. He

17:16

was like, Williams, I was like, dog, what? our

17:18

pal, uh, Jacob Westendorf likes to pick us and it

17:21

gets, and Ross gets really mad. So I went

17:23

to him cause he knew the pick and I

17:25

was like, well, who is it? And he goes, Savion.

17:27

I was like, Oh, hero on edge.

17:29

Yeah. And then he said, Savion. was like,

17:31

Oh, you're talking about the other one. I

17:33

really thought like throughout this whole process. the

17:35

what Green Bay typically does at wide

17:37

receiver, save you on Williams flies directly

17:39

in the face of that. Yes. So

17:42

I am honored. I am honored was there to

17:44

sell. Yeah. And not because he's not like the

17:46

athlete that they tied. He he didn't test.

17:48

He didn't test everything. So we don't know. I

17:50

was three corner broad broad. Everything we know is

17:52

awesome. It would have been you watch and play.

17:54

He would have hit those things. Like I have

17:56

no doubt in my mind. It's just the production

17:59

wasn't there. And he was not even the best

18:01

wide receiver on his team. So He was

18:03

the best athlete on steam, no doubt about

18:05

it. One thing I would do now, by

18:07

this point too, is Jack Sawyer. Yeah,

18:09

I'm not sure, yeah. Everybody's

18:12

like, oh, T -Rex arms. In round four, I don't

18:14

care about T -Rex arms. Yup, that's

18:17

fine with me. He's a ball player. Puse,

18:19

JJ Puse, Ole Miss, another

18:21

D -Tackle. There's a lot of D -Tackles left

18:24

still. Yeah, guys that can play. My

18:26

king down Walker they won't but

18:28

I would now how far is

18:31

he gonna drop the six seven

18:33

three thirty? I would say, okay

18:35

At what point do you say? All right? Well, that's

18:37

fine with me. You're King Logan

18:39

Brown Yeah, you know at

18:41

this point or do they need and

18:43

they need another 24 year old offensive

18:45

tackle that could maybe play guard my

18:47

King Jeff bossa boss is cool. Yeah,

18:49

Dave you can cool Zi Alexander

18:52

could get the Kaelin King treatment

18:54

where finally Green Bay is just

18:56

like, yeah, whatever. Could be. Or

18:58

the Burk kid out of Ohio State. There's a lot

19:00

of players that they might still like here. That

19:03

they will still like. My Kings, Cody

19:05

Lindenburg and Jack Kaiser would. Yeah. This is

19:07

the range. This is your range where

19:09

you're like, OK, do they need

19:11

a backup center? I don't know. Jackson Slater

19:13

is someone that would be very high on

19:15

their year. Oh, I think they take a

19:17

second offensive lineman at some point today. Yeah,

19:20

I would it be I mean Slater would be

19:22

cool. He's he's a good center prospect Just played at

19:24

a smaller school. He has played tackle in

19:26

the past even so he's someone that I think

19:28

they could be interested in Tim Smith

19:30

the detact from Alabama Our

19:32

guy Marquis Segal our guy. Yeah,

19:34

that'd be cool CJ West

19:36

again. Yeah, as my guy mellow

19:39

Dotson got I don't think so.

19:41

I like mellow quite a bit I think he's

19:43

available, which if I'm if

19:45

I'm standing on the table for a

19:47

Jayhawk, that's pretty yeah That's pretty significant.

19:49

It's kind of nothing. Yeah, yeah, Black. Iowa.

19:53

Another block of time. You

19:56

like the Medrano kid from UCLA. The

20:00

linebacker. You said you like both

20:02

UCLA linebackers. You told me that. I was talking

20:04

about Fanny. You're

20:06

not talking about Fanny. No. Well,

20:08

Medrano is like a 9 -7 Raz

20:10

guy that doesn't really know how to play football, but

20:12

at the point that you would get him. Castro?

20:16

At this point, yeah, he's good. He's

20:18

good ball player. I love Sebastian Castro. That's

20:22

it. Sebastian Castro is

20:24

a less athletic Michael Hyde. Yeah,

20:27

I think the problem with

20:29

Castro is I

20:31

don't know if you can give him

20:33

to the Satya because of the athletic

20:35

invitation. No, man, he's so he'll have

20:37

run his face through. He would. Snowblower.

20:39

He doesn't care. Like, so that I

20:41

think. My only point is like Castro,

20:43

to me, is more valuable on defense.

20:46

And does he can he play for

20:48

your defense? Because I don't

20:50

think Castro can play. Well,

20:52

that's. That's your day three

20:54

philosophy. you going to take a guy like the

20:57

UCLA linebacker who just said, oh, he's an athlete, but

20:59

he can't play. You know, it's a birdie. You

21:01

want to play a guy that can play that can

21:03

athlete. A great example would be Enigbarre. He's

21:05

an Enigbarre on teams. Nope. But they're

21:07

like, hey, he's good, and

21:09

we want him on our team. That was

21:11

sort of the end of it. Nick Nash. My

21:14

king. Triple up. My sixth year king. Triple up.

21:16

Keep going with the olds. I mean, they're on

21:18

a streak of 24 -year -olds. So Savion's a little

21:20

key kind of old too. I don't know if

21:22

people know that. He's going to be 24 at

21:24

the rookie, like soon as here. You know, I

21:26

mean, you know, the Packers, we're in win now. Give

21:29

me Willie Lampkin. 5

21:32

'10". to put them at fullback. We'll

21:34

figure out. Let's go. Put them

21:36

at three techs. This is turning into

21:38

just name guys. We

21:43

are just looking at the list

21:45

of who's available. This podcast would have been

21:47

a lot less fun at 10 o 'clock last

21:49

night. I'm just going to shoot you straight.

21:51

Yeah. No, we weren't happy.

21:54

We worked through it. We worked through it

21:56

with all of you. Thank you so much. Have

21:59

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