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20 minutes a day,

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year. This

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is the Packaday podcast. Welcome

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into our live post draft chat right here

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on the Packaday podcast. I'm your host

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Andy Herman. You can follow me on Twitter

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at Andy Herman NFL. Any

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impromptu post draft chat

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had the Q and A over at title

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town. That went great. Huge shout out to

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everyone that came out. We'll do a full

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breakdown of everything that happened today in tomorrow's

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episode. That'll go up for members later tonight.

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It'll go up for everyone 5 a .m. tomorrow.

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But I just want to start by saying

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a couple things. One, thank you so much

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to absolutely everyone that's joined anything at all

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this weekend from just watching any of

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the episodes to Wednesday night going to

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the Q &A over at Hagenmeister Park.

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to any of the live q &a's to

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the live draft shows to the q

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&a tonight over at tidal town um

1:01

any of it just thank you so

1:03

much for all the support it's been

1:05

an unbelievable draft weekend it has been

1:08

so fun to kind of get to

1:10

know obviously some of these draft picks

1:12

better it's been so fun just kind

1:14

of talking but you know packers draft

1:16

with everyone it has really been unbelievable so thank

1:18

you so much for all the support it

1:20

means the world The second thing

1:22

is kudos to Mark Murphy, the

1:24

city of Green Bay, the Green Bay

1:26

Packers, the NFL. What

1:28

an unbelievable experience the NFL draft

1:30

was in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Still,

1:33

even after it's happened, still feels

1:35

unbelievable and surreal to say. It's

1:37

been an unbelievable week. And it's definitely been

1:40

something that I think has been one of

1:42

the cooler aspects that is of anything that's

1:44

ever happened in green bay quite frankly So

1:46

I thought they did a tremendous job with

1:48

everything. Uh, we'll obviously talk whatever you guys

1:50

want to talk about We might have so

1:52

I sent this link to a few different people.

1:54

Look at this We got tyler brook coming

1:56

into the chat tyler. How are you doing my

1:58

friend? I am tired. I

2:00

want to just put that

2:02

out right now Oh No

2:05

Or maybe it's me. Maybe it's

2:07

on my end. Um, but I

2:09

can't hear you Give me a second. You

2:11

got this. I have faith in you, Tyler Brooke. I

2:14

have so much faith in you. Uh, but yeah, we, I

2:16

sent out a link to a few different people. Uh, we might

2:18

have some people stopping by at some point, like Tyler Brooke

2:20

just did. So we'll see, but we'll get to all of

2:22

your chats throughout the course of the night. Uh, we'll probably only

2:24

stay for 45 minutes to an

2:26

hour, nothing too crazy tonight, but Hey, if it gets

2:28

really, uh, wild and crazy, you never know. Maybe we'll

2:30

stay a little bit longer. Can you

2:32

hear me now? So can hear you, Tyler. I don't know what's

2:34

going on. I got my mic right

2:36

there. Nobody else can hear

2:38

Tyler, right? It's not just me. Oh, you can

2:40

hear Tyler. Oh, it's

2:42

me. Apparently I had everything muted. That's

2:44

way better. My bad, Tyler. It's on me

2:46

entirely. Don't scare me like that, man.

2:48

Come on. That's on me. See, this is

2:51

what happens when you do impromptu live shows

2:53

and invite people completely randomly and don't prepare

2:55

for anything. Tyler, how are you doing, my

2:57

friend? I'm so tired. I'm be completely honest.

2:59

I'm going to be completely honest. Like I'm very sad. I

3:01

didn't get to do a lot of the shows this

3:03

weekend just because of how busy I was with Yahoo and

3:05

rivals. So I

3:08

appreciate the invite. Like honestly, I was thinking,

3:10

like, do I do this? I don't have

3:12

contacts in. I made a hoodie. I'm

3:14

absolutely gassed. And I was like, you know what? It's for

3:16

Andy. I love this guy.

3:18

Let's talk Packers. I

3:20

really enjoyed the draft. I'm

3:22

actually quite happy with a lot of their

3:24

picks. Interested in a couple. So. I

3:26

appreciate you having me on. Yeah, you bet.

3:28

So we'll obviously get to a lot of

3:30

different things, but just 10 ,000 foot view.

3:33

What was your most excited thing or just

3:35

kind of your, not even most excited, just

3:37

what was your overarching take of the entire

3:39

weekend as a whole? I mean, I'm just

3:41

really floored how much they prioritized offense. I

3:43

think that's also a sign that they really

3:45

trust the coaching staff they've built on the

3:47

defense to really build up a couple of

3:50

these guys, right? Like. The

3:53

the firing of the D line coaching adding this

3:55

new guy like clearly they want to see

3:57

if LVN can take a big step forward Get

3:59

everyone accustomed to the scheme. I

4:01

The secondary is the thing that surprises me

4:03

most they would so late to the pickup

4:05

on it and does that mean Jair's back?

4:08

I kind of hope so, you know

4:10

the most chaotic man I think I've

4:12

ever seen in a Packers uniform Without

4:14

being like harmful is my kind of

4:16

my favorite part about that. So I'm

4:18

very curious to see what happens there,

4:20

but I mean We've already talked about it,

4:22

man. It's the

4:24

most happy I've ever been by a Packers

4:26

draft pick. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic

4:28

or anything, but them taking Matthew Golden, just

4:31

put a giant smile on my face. Yeah.

4:34

No, that was a, and just

4:36

an unbelievable smile on your face, a lot

4:38

of faces and just a all time

4:40

iconic Green Bay Packers moment. It's going

4:42

to be hard to top a non

4:45

football moment. that's

4:48

anything better than that. I don't know

4:50

if anything even is, well, like what

4:52

would be a non on the field

4:54

Packers moment that was better than that? I

4:56

mean, certainly like, you know, when

4:58

you got the news that they signed Reggie White

5:00

or a Charles Woodson, maybe like you could

5:02

certainly put maybe some of those things, but in

5:04

the conversation, but a moment where 200

5:07

,000 fans simultaneously can

5:09

go absolutely ape. You know what?

5:12

Because they drafted a wide receiver in

5:14

Matthew Golden in the first round, the

5:16

pageantry surrounding it, the perfect execution

5:19

by Mark Murphy in that moment, the

5:21

drafts being in Green Bay. I

5:23

mean, that is a, again, I

5:25

don't know that you can have

5:27

a non -field moment that's possible to

5:29

be better than that. I

5:32

know Matthew Gold's my guy. The only criticism

5:34

I'll give is he just totally forgot

5:36

about go -pack -go in the microphone when he

5:38

stole it. I was like, ah, no,

5:40

dude, it's so easy. Just say it. Uh,

5:42

which Baron Surrell, is it Surrell, Sorrell? I

5:45

haven't heard the exact pronunciation. I should know this

5:47

to make it up, but not very high

5:49

on him coming up But the fact that he

5:51

just attended the draft just because he wanted

5:53

to and showed up That was also a

5:55

pretty cool moment and just seeing his reaction

5:57

to everything after it was really special

5:59

Also, I really need to know more about did he

6:01

just run into the commissioner and the commissioner's like

6:04

yeah, just come to the green room. It'll be

6:06

fun I really want to know how that whole

6:08

thing. Yeah, I don't know how the whole logistics

6:10

played out Obviously, there's been the whole story of

6:12

why he was still there and what the situation

6:14

was and then I think because he was there

6:16

It was important for Gidele to make the pick

6:18

so they could do the whole handshake hug thing

6:20

and that they had that moment. Obviously, you usually

6:22

don't see it on day three of the draft.

6:24

I didn't, I wasn't aware that anyone was still

6:26

there at that point. So that was a little

6:28

bit sort of out of nowhere, but yeah, either

6:30

way, really cool moment there as well. And it

6:32

just, it was a draft full of those moments.

6:34

I know day two, some people had, you know, different

6:36

sort of feelings on, but before we get to

6:38

anything else in day two, you brought up Jair. Obviously,

6:40

I've been, I tweeted out about Jair earlier. People

6:43

did not like that tweet. There's

6:45

a couple things that came up about Jair

6:47

today. There's few things. Number

6:49

one, they didn't really do anything

6:51

at corner. And I get that they took one today

6:53

in the seventh round. I certainly don't

6:55

think that Green Bay is basing

6:57

anything around a seventh round cornerback that

6:59

they took at the end of

7:01

this one to change any sort of

7:03

calculus of anything that's going on

7:05

with Jair Alexander. And in totality, just

7:07

taking one seventh round corner, not

7:09

addressing it in free agency other than

7:11

Nate Hobbs. And you just sort

7:14

of look at the actual corner depth

7:16

chart at the moment. You

7:18

have, again, yes, I know Javon Bullard is going to

7:20

play in the slot a little bit and whatnot,

7:22

but actual corners, it's

7:24

Kishan Nixon, Nate Hobbs,

7:26

and then Carrington Valentine. You

7:29

know, you've got Robinson was taken in

7:31

the seventh today. And then Kailin King,

7:33

Kamal Haddon, like it

7:35

gets extremely thin. Extremely

7:37

fast. It's to the point where as with

7:39

just a seventh round corner You basically still

7:41

have three corners that you have any level

7:43

of trust in whatsoever and eight Hobbs has never

7:45

really finished a season healthy for it's been

7:47

a hot second I don't know if

7:49

he's ever done it. I know it's

7:51

been a hot second if he has

7:53

so that that's worth that's extremely noteworthy

7:55

The second thing is then we found

7:57

out that Jair Alexander did in fact

7:59

attend the voluntary workouts recently Matt LaFleur confirmed

8:01

that so that's a very interesting aspect

8:03

And then you hear brian good against talk

8:06

about it and he says, you know,

8:08

um, that they're still working through things and

8:10

then it gets asked to clarify of

8:12

basically what was working through things, meaning he's

8:14

going to be back and good. He

8:16

says, no, we're just working through it right

8:18

now. And again, with the, in my

8:20

opinion, clear indication of like, we're still trying

8:22

to do everything we can to make

8:24

it so that he's gone, but we haven't

8:27

figured out anything yet, but I would

8:29

love to hear your thoughts on it. I

8:31

mean, I don't know what more to

8:33

add about the situation. I think

8:35

it's really complicated from the outside looking in.

8:38

We don't know the situation or the

8:40

relationship between the Packers and Jair at this

8:42

point. The fact that he's following Matthew

8:44

Golden on Instagram, most players might

8:46

tell me something, but with Jair, you

8:48

never know what's going on. So

8:50

I don't know how much you can actually

8:52

put into that kind of stock. It's

8:56

tricky. I do think if he's there I

8:58

feel way better about the secondary if he's

9:00

able to stay healthy Because then I feel

9:02

like you actually have a pretty good amount

9:04

of depth not even like solid depth. I

9:06

think the depth is legitimately good there. I

9:09

Think they can get by without

9:11

him I'm very curious about Hobbs. I

9:13

think Nixon can play on the

9:15

outside and I'm very high on Carrington

9:17

Valentine The problem is if you're

9:19

leaning on those three is your starters

9:21

if someone goes down things get

9:23

Get scary. Maybe they pick up you

9:25

know, one thing I'll tell about

9:27

the pro pro personnel department, they will

9:29

potentially find someone on the streets

9:31

that's a nobody that could potentially become

9:33

a borderline all pro out of

9:35

nowhere. So I won't discount that either.

9:37

Yeah, I mean, I was looking at this

9:40

earlier of like free agent cornerback that

9:42

are available. And it is a nightmare situation

9:44

right now if you're looking for somebody

9:46

because you have to thin this or thread

9:48

this very thin line of you, you're

9:50

probably not looking, you're certainly not going to

9:52

get like a top, you know, level

9:54

corner at this point. Unless again, you bring

9:57

back Jair, unless you somehow go get

9:59

a Jalen Ramsey, which I don't think again,

10:01

either of those things are happening at

10:03

the moment. What's that? Pass. Yes,

10:05

exactly. So I don't see that happening.

10:08

You're probably not going for any sort of

10:10

top flight corner. So you're trying to, uh,

10:12

thread that thin line of you would like

10:14

depth and somebody that can come in, but

10:16

you also really want somebody that probably has

10:18

the ability to play special teams and there's

10:20

just not many people that really fit that. Like,

10:23

Tyler, James Bradbury, Kendall Fuller, Stefan

10:25

Gilmore, Rizul Douglas, Mike Hilton, CJ Henderson,

10:27

Shaq Griffin, Michael Davis, Emmanuel Mosley,

10:29

who's been hurt forever, Arthur Molat, Asante

10:31

Samuel Jr. is interesting, but he's

10:33

got neck issues. There's a reason he's

10:36

still a free agent. And again,

10:38

he's not going to probably play any

10:40

teams for you. Antonio Hamilton, Cam

10:42

Sutton, Fabian Moreau, Eli Apple, Jalen Mills,

10:44

Troy Hill, Daryl Whirly, Travian Mullen,

10:46

Kendall Sheffield, Elijah Riley, Amani Orourie, Jack

10:48

Jones, who just got cut by

10:50

the Raiders. Kadar Hallman's out there. They

10:52

liked Kadar Hallman in the past.

10:54

He's almost 31 years old, by the

10:56

way. What a career he's made

10:58

for himself somehow to know where. Miles

11:01

Bryant, Caleb Farley. Caleb Farley's kind

11:03

of somewhat interesting. Harrison

11:05

Hand, Christian Matthew, DeVad

11:07

Wilson, and Greg Strowman. That is the list

11:09

of your free agent corners. The only one

11:11

on that that I'd probably have any real

11:13

even potential interest in is Caleb Farley, who

11:15

came back to Carolina last year to try

11:17

to revitalize his career and was okay in

11:19

a couple of moments. It's still 26 years

11:21

old would probably play some teams was a

11:24

former what's first your own pick, first round

11:26

pick, right? Yeah. Is that

11:28

right? Yes. I think Tennessee. So,

11:30

um, that would be the only one that again,

11:32

maybe it would be sort of your normal like

11:34

reclamation projects kind of thing. But there's is a

11:36

hard line to thread again, to figure out a

11:38

corner that kind of makes some sense here. Yeah,

11:42

I have no idea what the plan is

11:45

again. I remember when they picked up Ursula went

11:47

Oh, I remember that guy from West Virginia

11:49

and that's all I knew about him and you

11:51

know, he turned into something so I'm gonna

11:53

lean on the pro personnel department for scouring the

11:55

bottom of the barrel at corner like because

11:57

I from all the names you listed I think

11:59

that's absolutely the case. I just heard a

12:01

mullin I haven't heard about a mullin at corner

12:03

and it feels like Yeah, that's yeah, he's

12:05

been around for a little bit. I remember his

12:07

brother was at Indiana Was it while

12:09

I was there? Who knows? It all blends together. But

12:11

Taiwan Mullen was supposed to be a big deal and

12:14

just completely fell off the face of the earth. No

12:16

relation to Chris Mullen, former Golden State Warrior. All

12:18

right. So I like this by Bryce. I don't

12:20

know if I can remember a class that I'm

12:22

rooting for more after Golden's moment. Hearing about saving

12:24

on William's daughter and Barrel Sorrel being in Green

12:26

Bay in round four. Just great stories and hopefully

12:28

great packers. It is a really cool, just draft

12:30

class in general, but some really cool stories that

12:32

kind of come along with it. And by the

12:34

way, like, There's

12:36

a lot of really good writers that kind of

12:38

thought I would be willing to bet you

12:41

like Wes Hodkowitz and some of those people just

12:43

well, you know, write absolutely killer stories on

12:45

that sort of stuff that I cannot wait to

12:47

read. That is not my forte. I can

12:49

pretend to do a lot of things regarding the

12:51

Packers. Writing those sort of stories is not

12:53

something that I can, I have the talent to

12:55

do, but I'm really, really looking forward when,

12:57

you know, Wes Hodkowitz amongst others, I'm sure write

12:59

those stories. I will be all over that.

13:01

No questions asked. I think one of the things

13:03

I noticed from this draft class that really

13:05

stood out, you know, we talk about film and

13:07

athletic score and all of that, the character

13:09

of the kids they drafted has stood out every

13:11

single pick up and seeing and reading up

13:13

on. These are all competitive kids. All

13:15

the coaches be extremely highly of them. And

13:17

then you just hear them talk about how

13:19

much this means to them. That part of

13:21

this draft class does very much exciting. One

13:24

of the things that we, we can

13:26

watch as much film as we want, Tyler.

13:29

We have no idea. what

13:31

constitutes their board for quote unquote packer

13:33

people that Thompson was such a such

13:35

a huge proponent of that Brian good

13:37

against is certainly carried over. I don't

13:39

know how many times we've heard about

13:42

in press conferences, how much the locker

13:44

room is basically sacred to them, how

13:46

important that that is. And, you know,

13:48

every single time, you know, it's loves

13:50

football is dedicated to the craft is

13:52

you eat sleeps and breeds it and That's

13:56

exactly what you want to hear so

13:58

much of this is like there's so

14:00

many talented players like everyone that got

14:02

drafted today is so insanely talented and

14:04

the scouting work is Today identify that

14:06

talent. That's basically kind of like the

14:08

easier aspect of it The harder part

14:10

is finding the character people that are

14:12

going to fit into your locker room

14:14

and then usually A lot of that

14:16

character work, if they're hard workers, if

14:18

they're intelligent, if they care about their

14:20

craft, if they're good in the locker

14:22

room, it usually lends itself to becoming

14:24

better football players down the road because

14:26

they are doing everything that they can

14:28

to meet that potential. We

14:31

don't get, well, there's so much of the stuff that

14:33

is behind the curtain for us. So no matter how

14:35

much tape that we watch on players, the

14:37

medical, the locker room, again, any of the

14:39

off the field stuff, there's just so much that

14:41

goes into it that we don't know. And

14:43

as much film even as we do watch, even

14:45

when we watch almost everything, again, these, uh,

14:47

you know, scouts have gone and met them in

14:49

person, watched them in person. It just, they,

14:52

they just have, and again, I'm sure some of

14:54

it can be paralysis by analysis, but they

14:56

have so much that they're looking into and are

14:58

trying to figure out the ones that are

15:00

going to be the best possible ones that are

15:02

going to meet their potential. So I just,

15:04

uh, I'm hoping that Green Bay got it right.

15:06

They're all really talented players, but it sounds

15:08

like they got some unbelievable people as well. Yeah.

15:10

I mean, I still can't get over the

15:12

sorrel. just press conference. The fact that you got

15:14

to do it in person too is just, I

15:16

appreciate that they did that for

15:18

him and clearly having his family there

15:20

too, just that, that is going

15:23

to stick with me almost as much,

15:25

if not as much as the

15:27

Matthew Golden getting drafted. Yeah. And this

15:29

is why, by the way, the

15:31

draft is just incredible. On the surface, the

15:34

draft has no right being this big, this

15:36

important. Totally agree. And as it has no

15:38

right to be this, but It's all these,

15:40

I mean, I don't know if you saw

15:42

like the, the Seattle Seahawks draft room where

15:44

Gray's able was there today and he got

15:46

to make the call to the seventh round

15:48

pick to tell him he was being drafted

15:50

by the team. Like there's just like all

15:52

of these little things. And then we get

15:54

little snippets of, uh, like war rooms and,

15:56

you know, all a sudden that like the,

15:58

the players picking up the phone and just,

16:01

you know, the water works everywhere and the

16:03

families reacting to it. And you get. What

16:05

for lack of a better term is

16:07

all of these little side quests. There's 32

16:09

teams. There's 200 some players. There's undrafted free

16:11

agents. There's drama of players that were our

16:13

quote unquote falling that we thought we're

16:15

going to go in the first round, probably

16:17

a little bit too much. So in this

16:20

draft that got a little bit too over

16:22

obnoxious in this draft, but there's always those

16:24

stories. There's ones that went way ahead. There's

16:26

international players. There's players who just started playing

16:28

football. There's basketball players being drafted today. Like

16:30

there's just all this crazy stuff that

16:32

happens and you get all of these unbelievable

16:34

side quest stories that you didn't even know

16:36

you needed until they had, they happened. And

16:39

then it's just unbelievable. And in Green Bay

16:41

had a few of those, it seems like

16:43

through the course of this draft. So

16:45

I think I've been thinking about

16:47

this a lot today specifically. I

16:49

think this for the Roger Goodell

16:51

era is going to be what

16:53

is his defining part of his

16:55

legacy in the NFL is how

16:57

he's embraced the draft. Cause

16:59

there are so many moments every single

17:02

year. You can tell he loves this. He

17:04

loves the human side of it. And

17:06

I get that Roger Goodell is not a

17:08

perfect commissioner and there's all these faults

17:10

with him. His love of getting to celebrate

17:12

that moment and like cherish it and

17:14

understand how valuable it is for each and

17:17

every kid, I think is a special

17:19

part of his legacy on the NFL. And

17:21

then the fact that the draft has

17:23

become so popular over his time as commissioner.

17:26

I think it's a part of his story

17:28

that needs to be recognized more, because I

17:30

don't think the draft is as successful and

17:32

popular as it is if Gadel doesn't embrace

17:34

that aspect of it. No, I think that's

17:36

really well said. I said the other day, if

17:38

the Super Bowl is their WrestleMania, the

17:40

draft is their SummerSlam. It's not the main

17:42

event. mean, nothing to me, but I'll

17:44

go with that. Okay, I appreciate that anyway.

17:47

No, SummerSlam, WrestleMania is WWE's biggest event

17:49

of the year. SummerSlam is their second

17:52

biggest event of the year. Okay. And so

17:54

it's become that second huge mega event.

17:56

Hosting it's a huge deal just like with

17:58

SummerSlam as well and it again. It's

18:00

not quite as big as that Super Bowl

18:02

But man and the other the cool

18:04

thing about this is too that I think

18:06

it's awesome I talked about this a

18:08

little bit the other day is the Super

18:10

Bowl is again the Super Bowl You're

18:12

not gonna get anything like that But there

18:14

are two teams that are trying to

18:16

win or lose the Super Bowl There are

18:18

32 fan bases that are trying to

18:20

win or lose or that think they're either

18:22

winning or losing the draft. 32 fan

18:24

bases that are insanely invested in it. 32

18:26

fan bases that are hoping their guys

18:28

fall to them and that they avoid the

18:30

guys that they don't want. And this

18:32

is a time again where hope springs eternal

18:34

for everyone and that next pick could

18:36

be the guy that completely changes your franchise

18:38

around is the next hall of fame

18:40

or whatever it might be. So that is

18:42

the really cool aspect of the draft

18:44

is unlike the Super Bowl where you're only

18:46

ever going to get to the draft

18:48

as all 32 teams participating, of course, and

18:50

that makes it a very unique aspect

18:52

as well. And you want to talk about

18:54

reinforcing priors, you know, the beauty of

18:56

it. All 32 teams have people that both

18:58

hate and love their drafts. And you

19:00

can find which side to root. a beautiful

19:02

thing. It's a beautiful thing. I like

19:04

the best part. Aaron Nagler, which

19:06

doesn't nobody knows. Nobody knows. Well,

19:08

I tweeted that out today of like, I

19:11

think, I think not getting invested

19:13

in it, but, you know, before the draft really. You

19:15

know, sort of, I think you can do it

19:17

a couple of different ways. If you want to tune

19:19

into the draft and be like, I know nothing

19:21

about this. It's kind of like what I do with

19:23

the NCA tournament of like, I really don't know

19:25

a ton about the NCA tournament going in, but like

19:27

the NCA tournament is contained in its own event

19:29

and I can get from the beginning of the tournament

19:32

to the end of the tournament. And then I'm

19:34

like, that is the perfect amount of college basketball that

19:36

I need every single year. I want to watch

19:38

as much as I can during that time, but I

19:40

don't really, I don't need to know much going

19:42

in. I want to know the stories that happen during

19:44

it. So I am sure that there are people

19:46

like that with the draft of like, I don't want

19:48

to know anything about the draft beforehand. As soon

19:50

as it's on, I want to learn about these stories

19:52

and learn about these players in real time and

19:55

then get to know them there. I'm sure that there's

19:57

a really cool way to do that. But I

19:59

think for me, and I know a lot of people,

20:01

I know you as well, Tyler, the really fun

20:03

aspect is getting to know the players ahead of time

20:05

so you know which ones you're sort of hoping

20:07

are going to go to your team. You know which

20:09

ones you don't want to go to your team.

20:11

And it is like an event that you can almost

20:13

win or lose during the course of it of

20:15

whether or not your guys went through, whether you got

20:18

players that you wanted. I think that is part

20:20

of the beautiful experience. I feel like for me, if

20:22

I didn't have that, it would feel a little

20:24

bit less than than what I could have if I

20:26

do have that experience. What I tweeted out today

20:28

is like, I love that aspect of it and get

20:30

all engaged as you want. But tomorrow, as you

20:32

turn the page to Sunday, and now that all these

20:34

draft picks come in, almost just nuke everything that

20:36

you thought you knew or that you think you know

20:38

and just forget all of it. Because whatever players

20:41

you thought were going to be great, you have no

20:43

idea. Whatever players you thought were going to be

20:45

terrible, you have no idea. And this is literally now

20:47

the start of their NFL process and what they're

20:49

going to become as players. And the NFL doesn't know.

20:51

The player doesn't know. We don't know. We have

20:53

no idea. So I love the aspect that we get,

20:55

you know, sort of get so ingrained in it

20:57

in it, but now turn the page and let's just

20:59

cheer on these players. Dude, I

21:01

have 201 players graded and now

21:04

I just on to 2026, speaking

21:06

of totally random. This NIL era,

21:08

the only thing that's kind of

21:10

nice. I have 30 something guys

21:12

created for 2026 already. Cause so many people just

21:14

went back. Uh, give us me a little

21:16

head. Oh my gosh. I just, the idea of

21:18

starting up the 2026 big board already, I

21:20

might have a problem. Andy, I might have

21:22

a real problem. See, no, you have it

21:24

the right way. I have a problem because every

21:27

single year, Tyler, I get to this point.

21:29

I'm like, Andy, you dumbass, just do one

21:31

player a day. from here until the next

21:33

draft. And guess what? Guess what you're going to

21:35

have, you idiot. You're going to have 365

21:37

players graded by the time the draft comes

21:39

around next year. And you're going to be

21:41

in a great spot. And you know what? Never,

21:43

ever happens. Exactly that. And then you get

21:45

to like January and like, Oh yeah, I

21:47

should probably, you know, really ramp up more.

21:49

And then you get to, and it's just like,

21:51

I can never get to as much people

21:53

as I want. But, uh, yeah, it is,

21:55

uh, it is a beautiful thing. I always

21:57

feel like I wish I knew even more about

22:00

it, but there's a lot going on and

22:02

we have a lot of packer stuff to

22:04

cover as well. Um, I want to

22:06

get to some of these super chats really quick.

22:08

Preston, uh, you and justice concluded that in order

22:10

for this team to be serious contenders, we needed

22:12

to add two to three X factors, not just

22:14

really good players. You also said 2025 was the

22:16

year. Where do you stand as of right now? A

22:19

couple of things. I think a few

22:21

year to two, probably three years ago or

22:23

really, I think post Aaron Rogers. I

22:25

said, 2025 is the year to keep an

22:27

eye on where that window really starts to

22:29

open and you have that real opportunity, I

22:31

think, to kind of make a run at

22:33

things. That was the year where you kind

22:35

of had your young players that were starting

22:37

to really come to fruition and you had

22:39

some free agent money to spend. And this

22:41

is kind of the year where everything should

22:43

theoretically merge together into one beautiful season where

22:45

you've got a really wide window open. Not

22:47

that it's closing anytime soon, but this is

22:49

where it really starts to open up. And

22:51

I think in a significant way. So I

22:53

think they are What I would

22:55

say is probably on schedule. I think they

22:57

were probably ahead of schedule in 2023. I

23:00

think they were maybe a little bit

23:02

different. I don't know if I

23:04

guess sort of on schedule in 2024, but maybe

23:06

a little bit behind just a weird year. And now

23:08

I think 2025 is going to be defined on

23:10

what step they take. So I think this is still

23:12

a very important, obvious year for Green Bay. And

23:15

I still think the windows wide open, but it's going

23:17

to be open for a little while yet. As

23:19

far as the two to three X factors. Unfortunately,

23:22

I don't think free agency really presented

23:24

itself in a way where you had

23:26

the opportunity to add those sort of

23:28

X factors. You can call this

23:30

spin if you want, but the one thing that I

23:32

would say, if you just signed,

23:34

if you had like an average level team

23:36

everywhere, right? You had no bad players and you

23:38

added Nate Hobbs and Aaron Banks to your

23:40

team. I'd like, oh, you had a good team

23:42

and you added a couple of solid players

23:44

to that. It probably didn't move the needle a

23:46

ton, but you know, you got a little

23:49

bit better. The fact that I

23:51

believe Aaron Banks is replacing by far and

23:53

away the worst player on the team on

23:55

offense in Josh Myers. And that I feel

23:57

like Nate Hobbs is replacing by far and

23:59

away the worst player probably on the team

24:01

in totality in Eric Stokes at least based

24:03

on how much they played. You

24:05

are going from a net negative pretty

24:08

aggressively in Eric Stokes to what I think

24:10

is going to be a net positive

24:12

in Nate Hobbs. And you're going from a

24:14

pretty solid net negative in Josh Myers

24:16

to what I think is going to be

24:18

a very solid net positive. in um

24:20

in erin banks so almost the gap between

24:22

those i think is almost like if

24:25

you had a solid average player and added

24:27

a pro bowler that's almost the same

24:29

difference than having a largely below average player

24:31

and now having an above average player

24:33

if that makes any sense whatsoever so i

24:35

don't think i don't think they added

24:37

two to three you know, big time X

24:39

Factor superstar players. Depending on what they

24:42

got with Matthew Golden and maybe some of

24:44

the players in this draft, that's still

24:46

obviously going to be a mystery box. But

24:48

I do think they made substantial additions

24:50

to this team. I think they made some

24:52

additions by subtraction. And I don't really

24:54

see anything that they got worse at, at

24:56

least on paper. Come on,

24:59

man. Matthew Golden's an X Factor.

25:01

There you go. I'm so excited. I

25:04

think I think we've talked about the reason

25:06

I loved him so much is I've had to

25:09

coach wide receivers the last couple of seasons

25:11

in high school, having never played the position or

25:13

known anything about it. Besides, you know, these

25:15

guys are fast and catch and learning the craft

25:17

behind everything and then watching Matthew Golden play.

25:19

I think that's what really made me fall in

25:21

love with him. Like just learning all these

25:23

intricacies to the position and just how he excels

25:25

and all of that. And I think he's

25:27

yet to scratch the surface of what he can

25:29

do. Sorrel

25:32

might. Give you that pass rushing juice. We've thought

25:34

about him and Oliver. I can't wait to

25:36

watch all of you, by the way. So when

25:38

I had heard a lot about and never gotten

25:40

around to, uh, and the fact that he's this

25:42

fun player that's really outside of their type is

25:45

very outside of their type. Very outside

25:47

of their type. Yeah. Is he an awful

25:49

guy? Is he going to be a designated pass

25:51

rusher? Can you get him on the field

25:53

with Cooper and Gary and sort? Did

25:55

you hear what milk Hendrickson said? No.

25:57

Edge rusher designated pass rusher.

25:59

They did it. They did it.

26:02

Oh, they did it. I can't wait to watch this guy's

26:04

tape now. It's really fun. I just watched a little

26:06

bit of it. It was even the stuff that I watched

26:08

was really, really fun. I posted one of the videos

26:10

out on Twitter. It's

26:12

Tyler. It is so much different than anything

26:14

that they have had on the team. It

26:16

doesn't mean difference better. It doesn't mean that

26:18

different works. It doesn't be, but it is

26:20

a flavor of past rusher. that I can't,

26:22

I mean, I can't remember the last I

26:25

could be here. Maybe it was like, maybe

26:27

like as someone, I know he's not to

26:29

be here exactly or whatever, but just like

26:31

that pure speed, bendy guy around the edge,

26:33

like it has been a hot second. It's

26:35

I don't even want to say bendy. It's

26:37

just a totally different brand of past rusher

26:39

than what they've had. I can't wait to

26:41

watch him. Then that'll be fun. He's

26:44

a he's a fun player. Andy, I got

26:46

to go. I just wanted to say thank you.

26:49

I really appreciate it coming on all this

26:51

past season. Glad I got a chance

26:53

to hop on with you and talk some draft today too.

26:55

You bet. Any final thoughts? Lombardi,

26:58

dude. Let's do it. This team.

27:00

I know a lot of these moves

27:02

were not the sexiest, both in

27:04

free agency and the giraffe, but I

27:06

1 million percent think this made

27:08

this a better, more sustainable football team.

27:10

And I think over the course

27:12

of an 18 week season plus playoffs,

27:14

that's really going to matter down

27:16

the stretch. get a healthy Jordan

27:18

love in the mix. He played banged up all

27:20

year with a billion different injuries. I, I think

27:22

the sky's the limit for this team. And I

27:24

think, I think everyone's coming. All right, man. Well,

27:27

I appreciate you, Ton. Enjoy

27:29

your rest of your evening. Get some

27:31

rest. You deserve it. And I'm sure

27:33

we'll be talking soon. See you, Andy.

27:35

Take care. You bet. That's Tyler Brook,

27:37

follow him on social media at TylerDBrook.

27:39

He is incredible and always a must

27:41

read, must listen. And right now his

27:43

Twitter is very much a very fun

27:45

place. So go find him and check

27:47

him out. Mark C, thank you

27:49

for the super chat. Thank you for all your

27:51

content and coverage. Andy greatly appreciated from a Canadian. You

27:54

are more than welcome, Mac. Thank you

27:56

for joining us all week long. And I

27:58

really appreciate the support. Alex not saying

28:00

they will keep job, but at this point

28:02

I think the risk price is worth

28:04

the potential reward considering the lack of a

28:06

number one corner Alex I want to

28:08

be very clear on something. I don't really

28:10

disagree with that assessment I know that

28:12

I have now I think been given the

28:14

moniker of like jaw hater. You don't

28:16

want jaw back I've said a couple times.

28:18

I don't have a preference. I like

28:20

jaw I think he is a better corner

28:22

than anyone they have on the roster

28:24

if healthy I am not prognosticating

28:27

what I want to happen. I

28:29

am prognosticating what I think is going to

28:31

happen. Based on, again, reading between

28:33

every little line and everything that Goody

28:35

has said and what I've, you know, heard

28:37

reports on from Jair and his agents

28:39

and talking to Rob Domovsky when he came

28:41

on the radio show and we talked

28:43

about it. Just all of these

28:45

little things here and there, it is,

28:47

it is almost impossible if you've really tracked

28:49

all the details along the way. If

28:52

you look at the contract, I still see

28:54

people quoting their six or seven million

28:56

savings. It is a $17 million savings. It's

28:58

not all this year. It doesn't matter.

29:00

It matters because you get 17 million in

29:02

totality by releasing him over the course

29:04

of this year and next year. That is

29:06

a massive difference in free agent, in

29:09

just salary cap money overall as to whether

29:11

or not you keep them or don't

29:13

keep them. I don't

29:15

know the current status

29:17

of the relationship. I

29:20

have no idea. There is stuff out there

29:22

that Jair is ready to move on. There's stuff

29:24

out there that Green Bay is ready to

29:26

move on. There's stuff out there that the relationship

29:28

is just strained, that everyone's just frustrated. I

29:31

don't know for sure. I don't know

29:33

if the relationship just in and of itself

29:35

is maybe fine. And it's just this is

29:37

a pure monetary thing. Or if the relationship

29:39

is legitimately stressed, or even if they figure

29:41

out the monetary side of things, it's just

29:43

it's not a it's a no go. I

29:46

don't know that aspect of it. I do

29:48

know the financial side is real. We pretty

29:50

much know, again, for certainty that Green Bay

29:52

is willing and I think wanting to move

29:54

on, that they are willing to shop him

29:56

and trade him if they can find the

29:58

right price and the right partner. What that

30:00

is, we don't know. But

30:03

I think that if

30:05

this was a situation, because

30:07

we don't know that side of

30:09

it, where if we knew Jire was

30:11

going to play 13, 14 games,

30:13

the price is not exorbitant for the

30:15

player, the level of Jire Alexander, the

30:18

issue is that I don't know how you

30:20

can trust him to play enough games based

30:22

on what we've seen the last four years.

30:25

I mean, guys, really, really think about

30:27

this. Four years in his

30:29

prime, in his prime, he

30:32

missed snaps every season and has

30:34

missed half the games in a

30:36

four -year period of time. That is

30:38

an insane number. That is

30:40

an insane number. I mean, it's weird to me

30:42

that like everyone is constantly frustrated with Christian Watson

30:44

for not being able to stay healthy But like

30:46

Jair is just like, oh, you know, but you

30:48

know, he'll be able to play this year It's

30:51

like I don't under it seems like a very

30:53

double -edged or just like a not fair, you know

30:55

correlation But like everything with Christian is just like

30:57

throw him under the bus. I get he's not

30:59

been healthy I'm not making excuse, but it's like

31:01

with Jair like well, let's give him another chance

31:03

to prove himself It's been four years in the

31:05

prime of his career where he's not been able

31:07

to stay healthy at all and How you can

31:09

now expect them a year older. This

31:11

will be the year. Maybe. Yeah,

31:14

you probably release him. He probably goes to

31:16

a team in the division and probably plays

31:18

like a first team all pro. We've seen

31:20

that story. It feels like before I get

31:22

how it goes. And I don't think anyone

31:24

wants that. I would be the first to

31:26

tell you as well. If you said, Andy,

31:28

I want you to look me in the

31:30

eye and tell me that Kishan Nixon, Nate

31:32

Hobbs and Carrington Valentine with a seventh round

31:34

corner, Kailin King and Kamal Haddon, even if

31:36

you're including Javon Bullard in that. that that's

31:38

good enough at corner. I would look you

31:40

in the eye and say, no, I agree.

31:42

I don't think it's good enough. I think

31:44

you probably need something a little bit more

31:46

than what you have there. I think that

31:48

is a strong, it's

31:51

going to be a real challenge

31:53

when you're going up against the Jordan

31:55

Addisons and the Justin Jeffersons and

31:57

the Amon Ross St. Browns, the Jameson

31:59

Williams, the, you know, DJ

32:02

Morris, they go and get Luther

32:04

Burton as well. Obviously,

32:07

You have the guy that drive Roma dunes

32:09

a this past year like you've got a

32:11

lot of really talented receivers in the division

32:13

Vikings drafted one in the third round as

32:15

well. Ty Felton. It's another one that you're

32:17

gonna have to deal with So this is

32:19

a really tough division. I think it's tough

32:22

if you go against Philly. That's AJ Brown

32:24

That's gonna be a Davante Smith again. You're

32:26

going against Washington Terry McLauren We know is

32:28

no walk in the park even Jair struggled

32:30

considerably when he's gone up against McLauren And

32:32

they got Debo Samuel now for better or

32:34

worse. We don't know what that's going to

32:36

look like, but they got Debo Samuel as

32:38

well. Tampa Bay. You wanted to Tampa Bay?

32:40

Hello, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Mechag Buka. That's

32:44

no walk in the park. So you're going

32:46

to have some very tough matchups in the

32:48

division and against better teams when you play

32:50

them. And if you're

32:52

asking me, do I feel totally comfortable with what

32:54

they have at corner right now? I don't. But

32:57

I will tell you two things that I

32:59

truly believe is the case. I

33:01

believe. that Green Bay believes

33:03

a lot more in their corners

33:05

that they have, especially at the top,

33:08

Nixon, Hobbes, and Valentine, and

33:10

Bullard in that kind of conversation as

33:12

well, than what the public feels like. I

33:14

think they like them a lot more. I

33:17

think they believe that in Jeff

33:19

Halfley's defense, having guys like Jair,

33:21

that really the height of Jair's powers

33:23

is kind of as a man -to -man corner,

33:25

not to say that he be good

33:27

in zone, but it's his change of direction,

33:29

his ability to play man. I think

33:31

what they saw last year in Halfley's defense

33:33

with how it worked in zone, I

33:35

think they plan on playing a very similar

33:37

style regardless of who was at corner

33:39

and feeling like they have corners that have

33:42

ball skills that can, you know, obviously

33:44

communicate well, get to their spots, play within

33:46

that defense. And we saw that work

33:48

a season ago. Again, do I

33:50

have full faith in it? Not entirely,

33:52

but I do think if that's the

33:54

style of defense that you're gonna play

33:56

I think somebody like Jair at 17

33:58

mil is probably a little bit overpaid

34:00

for what the difference would be between

34:02

a sort of like average level corner

34:04

that you get in this style of

34:06

defense I think Green Bay believes that

34:08

as well And I think the other

34:10

thing maybe most importantly is that I

34:12

think Green Bay thinks and I know

34:14

this is gonna sound harsh But I

34:16

think they have they find less value

34:18

in Jair than the public does as

34:20

well. And in large part, that's due

34:22

to the just inability to stay healthy. But

34:25

also Jair has been good. But go back

34:27

to the Philly game last year. The Philly

34:29

game, you know, he got nuked by AJ

34:31

Brown. I thought he played

34:33

well after that. I legitimately thought he played

34:35

well. But what does this defense want

34:37

in their secondary for how they're set up

34:39

right now? What is a huge important

34:41

piece when we're talking about you know, draft

34:43

picks right and who they should take

34:46

and who they shouldn't and if somebody's a

34:48

really poor tackler that Green Bay should

34:50

probably stay away from them because they're not

34:52

a fit within Jeff Halfley's defense Jair

34:54

is not a good tackler He does not

34:56

do run defense ever since the shoulder

34:58

injury. It has been a real real problem

35:00

for him and It's not something that

35:02

he is really seemingly super interested in being

35:04

super physical now carrying to Valentine is

35:06

in the same conversation so you can make

35:08

that argument but that is not something

35:10

that he's good at. He would not be

35:12

what I would consider if you were

35:14

getting like, if Jair Alexander, prime Jair, healthy

35:16

Jair as a rookie were in this

35:18

draft class. And we were talking about like,

35:20

you know, where he should go and

35:22

if Green Bay would be interested if you

35:24

were available at pick 23. I

35:27

think a lot of the stuff we would talk about

35:29

is like, he's a really good cover corner. I'm not sure

35:31

that he's a perfect fit for Jeff Halfley's defense. So

35:33

again, I wholeheartedly understand, you

35:36

know, Alex, what you are saying, and I did

35:38

a whole episode. I don't know if you guys

35:40

remember, maybe a month ago now, through week

35:42

ago now, whatever, it was probably more than that now, of

35:45

the sort of devil's advocate of

35:47

why it makes sense to bring back

35:49

Jair. I didn't do that. I didn't

35:51

make all those points, just being like, well, I don't

35:53

believe any of this, but I'll say it anyway. I

35:55

made a lot of those because I think you

35:57

can make a really strong argument for bringing

35:59

Jair Alexander back. My take

36:01

on this, again, is not what I would

36:03

or wouldn't do. I probably still lean towards

36:05

not paying him 17 million because I don't

36:07

trust the health and I don't trust the

36:09

impact that he can potentially make because of

36:12

misgames, because of the lack of tackling, et

36:14

cetera. But I will simultaneously say, if that

36:16

was my plan all along, that I was

36:18

not going to bring him back and pay

36:20

him to 17 and I was going to

36:22

release him or take his seventh round pick

36:24

and return or whatever it ends up being, I

36:26

sure as hell would have probably attacked this

36:29

free agency and draft a little bit different

36:31

if I were the Packers. One last thing

36:33

I'll say on top of that. The

36:36

offseason is not over right now.

36:39

Green Bay has found a Rizul Douglas off of a

36:41

practice squad. They found Keyshawn Nixon on a one -year

36:43

vet minimum out of absolutely nowhere. Not that he

36:45

was ready to play corner that year, but you get

36:47

my point. They have found some players in the

36:49

past that have been able to come in and have

36:51

success. And I think you can find players within

36:53

this defense. Finding them in free agency right now is

36:56

not a fun thing to do. It is going

36:58

to be a pain. I

37:00

again, everything's not over yet. Even if

37:02

they do move on from Jair, there's still

37:04

some potential players that they could add.

37:06

And Goody's been really, really good. Their pro

37:08

-personnel department has been really, really good. And

37:10

enough about that because senior justice. How's

37:13

it going, man? How

37:16

are we doing? thought we were going

37:18

to have an issue again because Tyler came in and I

37:20

couldn't hear Tyler. And then I realized that it was,

37:22

uh, it was on my end, but then I couldn't hear

37:24

you. And I'm like, Oh God, is this on me again? But I think we're

37:26

good. Well,

37:29

yeah. Uh, so I'm here, I'm here to

37:31

sub in for Tyler. How are we doing?

37:33

How we liking the draft? I'm doing good.

37:35

I like it overall. Again, I

37:37

think a little bit unbalanced is how I

37:39

would define the first, uh, couple of days

37:41

with just going offense, offense, offense. Not what

37:43

I definitely would have expected. Not what I, um,

37:46

I don't think you goody expected it. You basically said

37:48

it and then come up to your expecting to talk

37:50

about two wide receivers, but, uh, I thought it came

37:52

back and had a really strong defensive draft today, which

37:54

I'm pretty excited about. Um, but yeah, how about, how

37:56

are you feeling? I

37:59

liked it, honestly. I

38:03

like their first three picks. I like the

38:05

players. I'm having really dove

38:07

an end to the day three

38:09

guys at this point. I'm going

38:11

to be totally honest. I'll

38:14

get busy. Just day three is a

38:16

damn blur for me because of how

38:18

many posts we got to get up

38:20

and stuff. But I have seen some

38:22

clips from Sorrell, right? Obviously from, you

38:24

know, like Ross and guys like that

38:26

tweeting it out. Um,

38:29

Robinson was on our radar. I know

38:31

he's athletic. He came in on the

38:33

pre -draft visit. Williams came in on

38:35

the pre -draft visit. Versatile guy, um, Brinson,

38:38

you know, he's a, he's a nose

38:40

tackle, right? And with the way,

38:42

I think probably one of the most underrated

38:44

things about this draft, if you're coming away

38:46

and being like, you know, why, why didn't

38:48

we address this, this and this? I think

38:50

defensive tackle is the one I have the

38:52

least gripe about because the defensive tackles. Where

38:54

they were projected, they went so much higher

38:57

than what they were projected. Yep. Um, so

38:59

the runs happened early and they happen

39:01

happened often. So I think finding a guy

39:03

like a Princeton in the sixth round

39:05

and then, you know, go on the stack

39:07

house route in undrafted free agency and

39:09

just saying, Hey, you two are going

39:11

to battle it out. One of you is going to

39:14

end up being nose tackle number two. Um,

39:16

it's probably the way to go about it.

39:18

So I feel pretty good. Um, I

39:21

didn't think they would add two

39:23

edge rushers. I'm gonna be honest. I

39:25

didn't think that room needed that

39:28

many bodies. Bad

39:30

day to be Brenton Cox Jr. I

39:32

disagree. Totally with that. Really? I

39:34

totally disagree with that. I don't think I disagree

39:36

with you on much of anything. I disagree with

39:38

that a lot. How

39:40

come? I

39:42

have a couple thoughts here. You

39:45

buckled up? I'm

39:47

in a swinging camping chair.

39:49

In my office, so I'm about

39:52

as buckled up as I'm

39:54

gonna be so deal. Uh, number

39:56

one, uh, they started, uh,

39:58

with six defense events last year,

40:00

including Bretton Cox and, uh,

40:02

what's his face? Pressing.

40:05

No, well, Preston too, but who's the

40:07

other bizarro edge rusher special teams guy

40:09

that was a linebacker than an edge

40:11

rusher? Mosby. Mosby, thank you.

40:13

So they started with six

40:15

Preston Zidaria or sorry, Zidaria Preston,

40:17

Gary, um, Bretton

40:19

Cox, Mosby, Enigbari

40:21

LVN so they started with six last

40:23

year on the active roster Preston is

40:26

gone Mosby can be gone and they

40:28

can easily put sorrel and the Oliver

40:30

in those spots and Oliver actually kind

40:32

of makes sense as the As the

40:34

Mosby and to an extent like I

40:36

feel like sorrel kind of makes sense

40:38

as the Preston That's number one. I

40:40

have a hotter take than that though.

40:42

You don't hear the hotter take than

40:44

that Do you think Cox is still

40:46

gonna be on the roster? That's

40:48

not even that above and beyond that If they

40:50

were to release one of them today, I think

40:52

Enigbar is in more danger than Brenton Cox. We'll

40:57

see. You

41:00

want to know the, you want to know also a

41:02

reason why on that? First of all,

41:04

I thought Brenton Cox was better. Yeah.

41:06

Well, they start. Enigbar

41:10

was the starter. I

41:12

get it. They're, I don't know. They do

41:14

weird things sometimes, but here's the other

41:16

thing. uh, and egg barry got the, uh,

41:18

performance escalator. We talk about this all

41:21

the time. He's at 3 .5 million. He's

41:23

at 3 .5 million and Bretton Cox

41:25

is at peanuts. So there's like

41:27

2 .5 million dollar difference between the two

41:29

as well. I think Bretton Cox is

41:31

going to be on this team. And I

41:33

think if it hurts somebody more, I

41:36

actually think it's, uh, in a barry. That's

41:38

my hot take coming at you. Interesting. I'm

41:40

not sure if I'm with you

41:42

on it, but I don't think

41:45

there's a 0 % chance that.

41:47

Enigbara is cut or anything. So

41:49

we'll see. We'll see. I bet

41:51

I've been on the train. I think

41:53

Enigbara was actually one of the more

41:55

disappointing players of last season, if I'm

41:57

being honest, but I'm for sure. I

41:59

think him, him called Brooks are way

42:01

up there. At least he was coming

42:03

off the ace or not ACL, right?

42:05

Whatever was. Yeah. So.

42:08

I give him a little bit more leeway than I

42:10

give that's a fair I for I did forget about

42:12

that whole injury situation So that is a very fair

42:14

thing to bring up. But yeah, that's my hot take

42:16

on it Alright, let me we I talked about it

42:18

Tyler talked about it It's the thing that everyone wants

42:20

to know I will get all your super chats in

42:22

just a moment My apologies for being you know, just

42:24

kind of going through some of this stuff right now,

42:27

but obviously the Jair thing is the big one I

42:29

know you tweeted out, you know, who knows at this

42:31

point, but what are you feeling about Jair situation other

42:33

than who knows at this point? I can't

42:35

make heads or tails of the situation. It seems like they

42:37

want to make him take a pay cut. There's

42:39

no mechanism available for them to make

42:41

him take a pay cut. He

42:44

seems pretty firm in

42:46

that. He participated in

42:48

the virtual stuff this week. If

42:51

he's participating in the virtual stuff, I

42:53

can't imagine that he wouldn't want to

42:55

participate in the in -person stuff starting

42:57

next week, next Monday. Again,

42:59

if he does get released, he's

43:01

going to take a pretty significant

43:03

pay cut. Right. Um, to sign

43:05

somewhere else. If that happens,

43:08

$700 ,000 probably means something to

43:10

him. And he has that in

43:12

workout bonuses. So I would assume

43:14

that he's going to show up. Um,

43:18

the way good answered the questions at the press conference

43:20

were weird. Who's just

43:22

basically like, no, I didn't

43:24

say anything. Like, don't,

43:26

don't write about it. Uh, there's no

43:28

update. Um, I

43:31

think it's weird situation. I wish I knew the

43:33

whole story. It's hard

43:35

for me even to we do

43:37

a lot of tea leave reading.

43:39

Yep here Andy to be totally

43:41

Frank even with the tea leaves

43:43

I still can't figure out exactly

43:46

where everyone's head at is at

43:48

the situation and we're months into

43:50

this thing and we're staring down

43:52

What three four more months of

43:54

this too, so let me ask

43:56

you this outside of The comments

43:59

that he was doing the virtual

44:01

outside of the comments from Goody Just

44:04

this weekend in its entirety only

44:06

taking one seventh round corner and

44:08

not addressing it in any other

44:10

way Does that would that in

44:12

and of itself lends you to

44:14

believe that there would be a

44:16

better likelihood that Jair would be

44:18

back Better yes fully convinced. No

44:20

The fact that dark Jair is

44:22

doing stuff like following people on

44:24

Instagram dotting out guys like reaching

44:26

out to guys like Nate Hobbs

44:28

when they get signed by the

44:30

Packers working out with Xavier McKinney.

44:32

It seems like that bridge has

44:34

never been fully burned, right? And

44:37

I think all of this just

44:39

coupling on top of each other leads

44:41

me to the I'm not sure

44:43

direction that we talked about this path

44:45

before, right? Yep. Going

44:47

into or at the end

44:49

of the season, my perspective

44:52

was always You

44:55

don't want to pay him 17 and a

44:57

half right? Try to

44:59

work out a pay cut, but then he

45:01

had the blow up I don't know if

45:03

you even want to call it a blow

45:05

up, but whatever the hell it was Locker

45:07

clean out day right where he's like buddy.

45:09

You guys want to talk to me? I

45:11

might not even be here next year All

45:14

right, things are trending south we get the

45:16

trade rumors out there right those You usually

45:18

don't walk back those Right. Once the rumors

45:20

are out there, the guys on the trade

45:22

block is pretty much done. I thought he

45:24

was going to be a cap casualty. I

45:26

thought this was going to happen by the

45:28

first day of free. Then

45:30

you get Goote saying, you know,

45:33

if we're going to move on

45:35

from him, we want something back

45:37

in return. The draft is

45:39

now passed. And, you know, we just talked about

45:41

all the things that couple up on top of each

45:43

other. They're not going to get any sort of

45:45

help for this 2025 team. Now. There

45:48

is still. Benefits

45:50

on the table for releasing Jair

45:53

and this part does not get

45:55

talked at about enough right? 2026

45:58

the Packers are going to

46:00

be over the salary cap. This

46:02

is before extensions to Zach

46:04

Tom. This is before extensions to

46:06

Koi Walker This is before

46:08

extensions to Devonte Wyatt. So even

46:10

though you draft a Christian

46:13

Watson Romeo Dobb Sean Ryan Probably

46:15

Kingsley and Iqbar a replacements

46:17

right going into next offseason Those

46:19

people are still going to need to get

46:21

paid. The fact that you

46:23

don't have a place to spend

46:25

this cap space that you would

46:27

get back from releasing Jair this

46:29

year, doesn't mean that that money

46:32

won't help you in the future

46:34

because you can roll over that

46:36

salary cap when you're over the

46:38

salary cap in 2026. And you

46:40

don't have to do things like

46:42

convert Kenny Clark's salary into another

46:44

signing bonus and just continue to

46:46

push that dead cap forward, right? So

46:49

that part doesn't get talked about enough. And

46:52

I don't know how much of that

46:54

is just people not understanding sort of the

46:56

salary cap mechanisms in the NFL and

46:58

stuff. But we're at this point now with

47:00

so many teams moving around money and

47:02

manipulating the salary cap. All that matters is

47:04

cash. All that matters is cash. I

47:06

don't care about anything else. The

47:08

ultimate decision the Packers need to make

47:10

is do you want to pay Jair

47:12

Alexander $17 .5 million for whatever he's going

47:14

to do, you know, however

47:16

he's going to perform this season. That's what it

47:18

boils down to because it you know whether

47:21

it's this year next year However, you want to

47:23

do it right that money is going to

47:25

hit the salary cap at some point correct No,

47:27

I totally view it the exact same way

47:29

and that's what they're going to have again And

47:31

I think they've made up their mind that

47:33

they don't want to give the 17 and a

47:35

half million They just haven't figured out the

47:37

mechanism of figuring out any sort of different contract

47:39

release trade or whatever if he's

47:41

holding the I mean yeah, I know that's

47:43

the decision at this point is Keep

47:45

him at 17 and a half or he's

47:47

playing elsewhere. And. Yeah,

47:50

I just don't know what you're going to do if you're

47:52

in the pack. Like, what are you going to do? Just be

47:54

mad that you paid him 17 and a half and he's

47:57

going to be there week one. Like if that was the case,

47:59

I feel we could have. Solved

48:02

this issue a long time ago. Do

48:05

you believe if they thought that Jair

48:07

was going to be back that they would

48:09

have signed Nate Hubs? Yes.

48:14

Yeah, again, the NFL market

48:16

is reacted as if that is

48:18

a slot corner contract. So

48:21

yeah, that's a good point. And

48:23

I think there are teams in the NFL that

48:25

very much thought that the Packers are going to

48:28

draft a first round cornerback, by the way.

48:30

So I think they again, I think they thought

48:32

it was a real possibility that they were

48:34

going to draft the first round corner and it

48:36

just ended up happening that way. So yeah,

48:39

the Hobbs contract, again, I think he's a slot.

48:41

I think he's a slot. They can talk

48:43

about. wanted to play him outside as much

48:45

as they want. I'm not going to believe it until I

48:47

see it. If they start doing it in camp. In

48:50

Kishon, I'll let you know

48:52

that first. Buddy, I'll be tweeting it out

48:54

right away. Yeah, so right away. If it's

48:56

if he's I believe it when I see

48:58

it until then, I'm operating under the assumption

49:00

that hops is primarily a slot. Yeah.

49:04

All right. From Spike Mocha, I thought maybe Green Bay

49:06

through free agency. The draft would seek out a center

49:08

and allow Jenkins to move to left tackle if necessary.

49:10

Seems simpler than finding a new left tackle. You

49:13

can say what you think on this justice, but

49:15

I think they really like Jenkins at center and I

49:17

think they are planning on Rashid to be Come,

49:19

you know competing with Jordan Morgan this year at left

49:21

tackle I think they feel very comfortable with Rashid

49:23

at left tackle if they need to do that I

49:26

think they're hoping that Jordan Morgan becomes the left

49:28

tackle the future and now Well, I think Belton is

49:30

probably going to be as we talked about the

49:32

other night more of maybe that right guard for Sean

49:34

Ryan They have another guy who could potentially play

49:36

it if he you know And I think they'll give

49:38

him an opportunity probably to practice at a couple

49:40

different spots to see where he fits best Yeah,

49:44

and I think Again, I wouldn't

49:46

be too shocked either if Belton doesn't

49:48

get that many snaps at left

49:50

tackle. It's where he's practiced the most,

49:52

right? So I don't know how

49:54

much experience how much more experience he

49:56

needs out there with I Don't

49:58

think they're searching for a left tackle.

50:00

I think they're trying to decide

50:02

who they want at left tackle out

50:04

of the two guys that they

50:06

got right now and Morgan and Rashid

50:08

Walker to your point. So I

50:10

Did think about it on draft day

50:14

about the Belton situation, right? Because again,

50:16

I do view them as guard and,

50:18

you know, maybe I could be wrong,

50:20

but I guess those are two, you

50:22

know, the Hobbs situation and the Belton situation

50:24

are the two where I'm like, I think

50:26

they are this, even though the team is

50:28

saying that they can do everything, right? I

50:32

did think about it with the Belton situation when

50:34

he was picked. And I was like, I wonder

50:36

if it would have been easier to look for

50:38

a center, not for a left tackle, but to

50:40

look for a center in this draft. Instead of

50:42

looking for a guard and you could have kept

50:44

Elton Jenkins out there. The other thing I'll mention

50:46

about Elton Jenkins. You

50:48

guys remember his contract terms. He

50:52

gets more money if he plays left tackle. Yeah.

50:55

So that could have been a

50:57

factor also. That's well

50:59

said. All right. So Wailers

51:01

860 was Williams a better pick

51:03

at wide receiver than Golden. No,

51:08

no. Golden is a

51:10

much better receiver. I love saving on

51:12

Williams. He talked about maybe he

51:14

might he might have been the first

51:16

prospect we talked about because Yeah,

51:18

yeah He was one of the guys

51:20

popped up super early on the

51:22

radar because he was Packers sized and

51:24

Packers speed and that is something

51:27

that Goot brought up I want to

51:29

stop saying Packers because it's really

51:31

a floor thing and you know Goot

51:33

even said it was a little

51:35

floor thing So

51:38

I don't need all the data going back to like

51:40

Greg Jennings and stuff. I'm just looking out like what

51:42

Matt wants, right? He made a

51:44

lot of sense there. He is more of

51:46

a, you know, calm, whatever you want, a

51:48

weapon, right? Then he is a wide receiver

51:50

right now. I think he can separate. I

51:53

think he can go deep. Um,

51:56

big body guy, he played 60 something

51:58

snaps, right? As a wildcat quarterback,

52:00

got a ton of rushing yards. Um,

52:02

I think that he is going, there was a high

52:05

school quarterback too. Um, Do you

52:07

hear the best arm at TCU? That's

52:10

what they said. They had the best arm

52:12

at TCU of all the quarter of anyone there.

52:14

He had the best, the strongest arm of

52:16

anyone there. Well, we can

52:19

give a, you know, maybe one or two throws

52:21

a game. Um, I

52:23

kind of think he's a

52:25

better fit than golden for what

52:27

the floor wants, but he's

52:29

also like, dog, the floor

52:31

is pretty low on how the

52:33

Savion thing can work out. And the

52:35

ceiling is pretty high. This is

52:37

going to be a fun ride we're

52:39

about to take. You

52:42

know, if you would have asked me to

52:44

most polarizing players that the Packers could have

52:46

drafted, probably would have been Shamar Stewart and

52:48

Savian Williams. I'm going to be totally honest

52:50

with you. And we argued about Shamar Stewart

52:52

for months and months and months because, you

52:54

know, he came in on a visit or

52:56

at least a reported visit. Savian did too.

52:58

But we didn't know that until he was

53:00

actually drafted. There were the five visits that

53:02

we hadn't had reported previously. And

53:05

then Yeah, we just didn't debate

53:07

saving Williams because he wasn't at the

53:09

top of the draft, but Boy

53:11

oh boy are people gonna be on

53:14

one side or the other on

53:16

this fight can't wait for camp Yeah,

53:18

he's a really interesting player and

53:20

I'm really interested to see how they

53:22

use him also you when you

53:24

were talking about You know built an

53:26

earlier and where he could potentially

53:28

play and like what where they you

53:30

know kind of envision him All

53:32

of the like the GM's and the scouts have like

53:34

their idea of like where these players are going

53:36

to be when he was asked about saving Williams like

53:38

I actually think he's a wide receiver that can do

53:40

a little bit of other stuff. That all sounds good

53:42

until the coaches get them in and they need to

53:45

start winning games. And then they're going to put them

53:47

at the positions and put them in places where they're

53:49

going to best succeed. And I have a feeling that,

53:51

you know, that that's going to dictate a lot of

53:53

how these players are used and I'm with you. I

53:55

think Williams is a weapon and I think they're going

53:57

to use them as such, not just as a sort

53:59

of standard wide receiver. Yeah, the

54:01

only thing I because because someone in

54:03

the APC comments asked me about this

54:06

earlier today I think it was because

54:08

I did like a 53 man roster

54:10

projection And I think they asked I

54:12

think it was in there that they

54:14

asked, you know, can he maybe play

54:16

running back? And my only qualms with

54:18

him playing running back like I don't

54:20

worry about him running the ball. No,

54:22

right like that that part We we

54:24

have film on it, right? He could

54:26

do that. That's the least of my

54:29

worries I know where

54:31

he comes into the game and everyone knows that

54:33

he's going to get the ball. Or if he

54:35

comes into the game and everyone knows that he's

54:37

not going to be in past protection, that's where

54:39

I worry. And then the other issue is, can

54:41

he pass protect? Correct. That

54:43

is what we don't have a lot

54:45

of film on, right? So if you're thinking

54:47

about him out of the backfield, you

54:50

know, those are. Not

54:52

necessarily problems, but question marks that I

54:54

have. But what would you I'm wondering

54:56

if you could do and we've seen

54:58

teams do this like I think the

55:01

Vikings have done this with Justin Jefferson

55:03

where If he's just a pure running

55:05

back, you're right But if you have

55:07

like a and maybe Jacobs isn't perfect

55:09

for this, but let's say you have

55:11

let's say come out and 11 personnel

55:13

right you've got craft at tight end

55:15

Jacobs at running back and then you've

55:18

got I Don't know picked two wide

55:20

receivers and then saving on Williams, right?

55:23

And then all of a sudden you motion or you have.

55:26

Jacobs line up wide and then you put saving on

55:28

Williams in the backfield of just maybe that last,

55:30

you know, whatever motion or whatever it is where you

55:32

can't. It's not as much of a tell because

55:34

they don't come in in that personnel package or you

55:36

don't see it as that way. And then he's

55:38

the guy that maybe gets the right match up and

55:40

run a Texas router. You can motion mode or

55:42

whatever you want to do at that point. Yeah.

55:45

I mean, they really don't use Jacobs

55:47

as the guy who motions out. No, I

55:49

know. But they kind of. They kind

55:51

of do some of that stuff already with

55:53

like Jane Reed, right? True. It would

55:55

just be, you know, Savion Williams playing the

55:57

Josh Jacobs role and Josh Jacobs playing

55:59

the Jane Reed role in that situation. So

56:01

yeah, I mean, they got it in

56:03

the book. I mean, all you

56:05

need is what one more word in it

56:07

to flip whoever the backs are. So yeah,

56:09

I can totally see that. I mean, I

56:12

don't if you're going to have Jacobs out there.

56:15

Have him do something where you could throw

56:17

it to him. I don't want to

56:19

see the Mike McCarthy, you know lining up

56:21

Eddie Lacey at X Just to have

56:23

him hang out there and not doing anything

56:25

But yeah, if you figure out a

56:27

way how you can get Jacob's the ball

56:29

and still do that stuff and you

56:31

know keep defenses on us go for it

56:33

man I got about lining up move

56:35

the ball. That's it. I'm up Jared Boykin

56:37

across from Rashid or from Richard Sherman

56:39

just so they're not gonna throw over there

56:41

the entirety of the game Yeah, that

56:43

didn't work out Too well for Mike, either.

56:45

No, it did not. All right.

56:47

Fading West. Apologies if this was addressed, but

56:50

knowing what we know now, this team is better

56:52

with Ja rather than without. I prefer to keep

56:54

him on and not gamble on UDFAs and cuts

56:56

in August to bolster the cornerback room. Obviously, fading

56:58

West. We talked about this quite a bit already. The

57:01

one thing I'll just add to this is

57:03

one thing I trust. Goody and the pro

57:05

personnel staff with a lot is their evaluations

57:07

of players and their ability to find players,

57:09

whether it be during cut downs, whether it

57:11

be via. practice squads, whether it be via

57:13

trading a seventh round pick for Malik Willis

57:15

before the start of the season. They

57:18

have a very good track

57:20

record of finding good players. in

57:22

a weird variety of different

57:24

ways. So just because they don't have

57:26

maybe a position filled exactly like we want it

57:28

to right now does not mean that it's going to

57:30

be that way either going into the season or

57:33

even maybe at the trade deadline or again picking somebody

57:35

off of a practice squad during the season. There's

57:37

a lot of ways to potentially improve the roster over

57:39

time and it's not all set in stone right

57:41

now. I

57:43

will say if you get rid of

57:45

jaw, you're

57:47

only two injuries away from

57:49

like catastrophe. Big

57:51

time corner. Because so if you

57:54

get rid of Jai, I think

57:56

Hobbs is still staying in the

57:58

slot whether he's the starter outside

58:00

corner in a four three defense

58:02

or not, right? I think it

58:04

nickel sets which you're gonna play

58:06

two -thirds of the time. He's

58:08

gonna be in the slot So

58:10

Nixon and Carrington Valentine are gonna

58:12

be the starters outside in those

58:14

nickel spots You could survive that

58:16

One injury you're probably talking Hobbs

58:18

moving outside to either replace Nixon

58:20

or Valentine Bullard if Hobbs

58:22

is the one who's hurt, you're probably talking

58:24

about Bullard coming into the game as

58:26

your nickel. But one

58:29

more, one more injury

58:31

anywhere else at the

58:33

corner. We're talking about

58:35

Michael Robinson, Kamal Hayden and Kailin

58:37

King, probably being up there

58:39

in terms of your top options. So

58:41

I think that's kind of where losing,

58:43

you know, your Robert Rochelle, your

58:46

Corey Valentine. That's

58:49

where it hurts. You know, I mean, Stokes

58:51

played to, I don't think Stokes is any

58:53

good, but Stokes too, right? Losing

58:55

three guys at the same position and

58:57

free agency. I think that is where

58:59

your death ends up starting to hurt

59:01

a little bit. No, big time. I'm

59:03

very interested to see what they do

59:05

at court. Again, whether that is something

59:07

with Jair, whether it's figuring out something

59:09

different. I don't, I, to me,

59:12

there's zero chance that this is even going to

59:14

be their training camp. Corner room. I

59:16

don't know. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't I

59:18

think they're gonna do something there still whether it's

59:20

a let me let me throw this at you

59:22

This is in the back of my mind. I'm

59:24

thinking out loud at the moment. Actually, I spent

59:26

something that's been in my mind just a little

59:28

bit I don't know what the value is with

59:31

some of the injuries and concussion stuff Romeo Dobbs

59:33

for a team that has a surplus of corners

59:35

Can you find a corner that the Dobbs for

59:37

a corner makes sense? Yeah, if

59:39

he can move off a dog if you could trade them go for

59:41

it. I think Yeah,

59:43

Dobbs isn't She's

59:46

going to be here long term. Probably

59:48

has to be. Fifth

59:53

round pick value for you to

59:55

pull the trigger because it'll probably get

59:57

that in a comp pick in

59:59

2026, right? Um, who

1:00:01

drafted too many corners this weekend that

1:00:04

now has an excessive corners. Um,

1:00:07

I do not know. Yeah, I don't either. I don't know

1:00:09

that I have anyone off the top of my head,

1:00:11

but I'm definitely going through depth charts tonight and looking at

1:00:13

teams that might have more corners to see if there's

1:00:15

a. Or you could

1:00:17

potentially look at some sort of change of

1:00:19

scenery guy that has been like a top

1:00:21

100 draft pick that didn't work out for

1:00:23

his particular team over the last couple seasons,

1:00:25

and they're willing to get off of them

1:00:28

for cheap, and maybe you throw something at

1:00:30

him that way, but I don't know. I

1:00:32

think they'll do something. All

1:00:34

right, Shane, thanks for the coverage, Andy, and the

1:00:36

whole team. They killed it. I appreciate that, Shane. Thanks

1:00:38

so much. I think Jaws'

1:00:40

War is valuable enough to keep him

1:00:42

again, wins above replacements. Yeah,

1:00:44

again, you're starting to hit that Mendoza

1:00:46

line of you know Where is the value

1:00:48

at 17 million and can you bring

1:00:50

enough to the team to kind of keep

1:00:53

them in it again? It's just such a

1:00:55

hard piece of calculus to figure out because

1:00:57

if no idea how much he's gonna play

1:00:59

the recent track record's been brutal and

1:01:01

again to your sort of point earlier justice

1:01:03

It's just really hard to figure out I

1:01:05

I could I don't know right now to

1:01:07

tell you if this if like from a

1:01:09

just pure relationship standpoint money aside and

1:01:11

like injuries aside if like if

1:01:13

JA is cool with Green Bay, if Green Bay

1:01:15

is cool with JA, if they're, this is, if

1:01:18

they both are just like, we got to end

1:01:20

this. If they're both like, we could probably find

1:01:22

ways around this, but the money thing is the

1:01:24

major issue. Like I don't know where the relationship

1:01:26

is right now between the two. That's another thing

1:01:28

I want to, it's like, is there animosity? Is

1:01:31

there animosity or is this just money?

1:01:33

It could be all animosity or it could

1:01:35

be almost no animosity or anything in

1:01:37

the middle and I have no idea. Yeah.

1:01:40

Because again, the the things that I'm

1:01:42

pulling it out, right? It's

1:01:44

his reaction on cut down day. And

1:01:47

then it's really the reports from

1:01:49

the the beat that are like, yeah,

1:01:51

the Packers are mad that they

1:01:53

cannot. Count

1:01:57

on him in like game plans

1:01:59

and situation, but it seemed it

1:02:01

always seemed weird to be frustrated

1:02:03

over injuries, especially with Jair, a

1:02:05

guy who's known to

1:02:08

push through injuries. Almost

1:02:10

to his detriment, right? Yeah.

1:02:12

I mean, he's getting re injured

1:02:14

and stuff because he's pushing through injuries.

1:02:16

So I just don't know how

1:02:19

you hold that against him on like

1:02:21

a personal level. I get it.

1:02:23

I get so from an animosity level,

1:02:25

right? I get that from the

1:02:27

financial level. I do not get that

1:02:29

from the animosity level. So

1:02:32

I guess that's the part where, you

1:02:34

know, I'm trying to solve for X and

1:02:36

I just can't do it. I'm not

1:02:38

good enough at math. You're

1:02:40

all good. I'm right there with you. Elijah,

1:02:43

love your football brain, Andy. Did you

1:02:45

enjoy any of the draft venue? I

1:02:47

did not spend a second inside of

1:02:49

the draft grounds themselves, at least during

1:02:51

the draft. I was slightly inside of

1:02:53

them when I went to Goody's press

1:02:55

conference a couple days of what the

1:02:57

start of the week before the draft.

1:02:59

That was my only time actually inside

1:03:01

of the draft grounds. Um, I

1:03:03

was right near it when I did the radio show

1:03:05

at Buffalo Wild Wings just a block away, uh, for

1:03:08

both Thursday and Friday in the morning. So I kind

1:03:10

of got to see a little bit of the atmosphere

1:03:12

and the stage and things like that. Uh, but I

1:03:14

did not spend a second inside of it. Um,

1:03:18

just really quick. I, I spent a lot of

1:03:20

time, uh, just like thinking of this and now,

1:03:22

uh, like analyzing this ahead of time of like,

1:03:24

I don't, I didn't want to look back in

1:03:26

like five, 10 years from now and be like,

1:03:28

The draft was in Green Bay and you didn't

1:03:30

spend a single second within the confines of the

1:03:32

draft. Like, are you an idiot? Like, what were

1:03:34

you possibly thinking? Right

1:03:36

now, I still feel very confident in what I

1:03:38

did and just kind of covering the draft in its

1:03:40

entirety the way that I did. And I think

1:03:43

the reason I felt better about it is because I

1:03:45

was at the draft in Vegas within the grounds

1:03:47

and actually there and I was there for about 30

1:03:49

minutes. I'm like, that's about all I need. And

1:03:51

I was ready to go. So I'm very

1:03:53

comfortable with the decision and I was happy that

1:03:55

I got to cover it all week and long and

1:03:57

got to see it in person, you know, just

1:03:59

from like kind of the outside looking in. So I'm

1:04:01

cool with what happened, but I did not get

1:04:03

to go to the draft venue during the draft. I'll

1:04:06

say all the national reporter friends

1:04:08

that I have who are down

1:04:10

there. seemed like they had a

1:04:12

hell of a time. Surprised

1:04:16

how many people went to the

1:04:18

event, all that stuff. I know

1:04:20

what the three day attendance number

1:04:22

just came out and it was

1:04:24

over 6 ,000. How much? Over

1:04:26

600 ,000, which was even more than,

1:04:28

you know, anyone had optimistically projected

1:04:30

and stuff like that. So give

1:04:33

everyone a round of applause for

1:04:35

showing up to the event, all

1:04:37

that stuff. I know the weather

1:04:39

wasn't perfect some of these days.

1:04:42

Um, can I ask you something

1:04:44

go for it when you

1:04:46

saw the sea of people? Just

1:04:49

in general, I thought I

1:04:51

thought Thursday night looked like incredible.

1:04:53

But when you saw the

1:04:56

sea of people, was it less

1:04:58

than you envisioned? What

1:05:00

you envisioned or more than you

1:05:02

have envisioned more interesting. I

1:05:04

mean, that's a massive crowd,

1:05:06

man. was a massive crowd. Don't

1:05:08

get me wrong. I think in my

1:05:10

mind. The the amount of

1:05:12

people that I thought that was gonna be

1:05:14

I thought that was gonna be like

1:05:17

that entire lot was full plus like Lambo

1:05:19

was gonna be even more full plus

1:05:21

like it was gonna be like into Titletown

1:05:23

district full like I thought it was

1:05:25

just gonna be like We just see of

1:05:27

people almost like down on Ida Street

1:05:29

So I think I was just it was

1:05:31

a ton of people I think just

1:05:33

my mind of thinking what like that amount

1:05:35

of people is. I don't know like

1:05:37

how people fit in spaces. That's not anything

1:05:39

I've ever spent time thinking about. So

1:05:41

I actually thought that many people was going

1:05:43

to look like more people. And I'm

1:05:45

like, that's still actually awesome. But I almost

1:05:47

thought it was going to be more. So

1:05:51

the only the only reference point

1:05:53

that I have is like. Music

1:05:56

festivals. Sure. Right. So

1:05:58

if you would have given me that shot

1:06:00

when they had, you know, 260 ,000 people

1:06:02

in there. I would have guessed more

1:06:04

than 200 ,000, but you know, that's that's

1:06:06

as good as I could do. I wouldn't

1:06:08

have been able to get any closer

1:06:10

than that. Yeah, I

1:06:13

wasn't able to make it kind of

1:06:15

happy. I wasn't able to make it because

1:06:17

if I would have been down there,

1:06:19

I would have been working my ass off.

1:06:22

We had too many people down

1:06:24

from APC who are just having

1:06:26

a good time not doing any

1:06:28

work. So I'm getting posted. I

1:06:30

might have had 50 posts up.

1:06:32

the last three days. So my

1:06:34

ass would have been just working

1:06:36

in a different venue. I

1:06:39

wouldn't have really been able to enjoy

1:06:41

it is what it boils down to. So

1:06:43

if I can, if I can fall

1:06:45

on that sword and guys like Tex and

1:06:47

John and Paul, all the other guys

1:06:49

that we had from a PC down there,

1:06:52

if, you know, if I can fall on

1:06:54

the sword and they can have fun,

1:06:56

I'll do it because honest to God, this

1:06:58

is really what I want to do

1:07:00

anyway. So No, I appreciate you. It's on

1:07:02

and you've been killing it all weekend

1:07:04

long off season long all forever long. And

1:07:08

by the way, thank you very much for having

1:07:10

the UDFA article up as soon as my live event

1:07:12

stopped at title town today. That was the very

1:07:14

first thing I did is I'm like, I'm going to

1:07:16

APC because they know justice is going to have

1:07:18

a UDFA tracker all good to go. And you did

1:07:20

not disappoint me. It was right on the front

1:07:22

page. You know, I haven't checked it since we got

1:07:24

on. You know, I

1:07:26

did the full roster. I did. roster

1:07:29

projection and I did the UDFAs and

1:07:31

then I got on here. I

1:07:33

haven't checked since then, but. Eight

1:07:36

draft picks, 10 UDFAs. We should be at

1:07:38

a 91 man roster right now. So it should

1:07:40

be set unless we get a goofy situation

1:07:43

where like someone's high school coach said that the

1:07:45

kid got signed and he only had to

1:07:47

try it out. There's another guy out there, right?

1:07:49

So happens every year happens every year where

1:07:51

somebody or even just the player himself tweets out

1:07:53

like, I'm going to be a packer and

1:07:55

then somebody runs with it and it's really just.

1:07:58

A tryout situation wouldn't be the first

1:08:00

won't be the last uh lich just

1:08:02

has buckled up if that mask was

1:08:04

any tighter He'd be skeleton face. I

1:08:06

like it. It looks amazing gentlemen scale

1:08:08

of one to screwed what happens if

1:08:10

kenny gets hurt It's pretty bad. I'm

1:08:12

not gonna lie I'm not gonna lie

1:08:14

to you We talked about how defensive

1:08:16

tackle is our nose tackle specifically is

1:08:18

a need If he goes down it

1:08:20

would be interesting to see if they

1:08:22

throw in one of the rookies or

1:08:24

if they throw in Carl Brooks honest

1:08:28

to God, if Kenny goes down,

1:08:30

that's a situation where I think depending

1:08:32

on where you're at in the

1:08:34

season, you're looking at trade deadline, you're

1:08:36

looking at roster cut downs, and

1:08:38

you're probably going to be willing to

1:08:40

give up, you know, a pick

1:08:42

for a rental veteran to be able

1:08:44

to get you through this thing. Is

1:08:47

Damon Harrison still available? Do

1:08:51

you remember when they signed him for like? Oh,

1:08:54

yeah, dude. I

1:08:56

forgot about that. Yeah, I thought you were just

1:08:58

making a joke. I forgot he was a

1:09:00

packer for like a millisecond never actually. I don't

1:09:02

even know. Like, I don't think he ever

1:09:04

played. I think he never played a squad or

1:09:06

something. It was like a practice squad. He

1:09:08

was there for like, I was a really weird

1:09:10

situation. But yeah, they had Damon

1:09:12

Harrison on the on the actual. Is

1:09:14

that like one of those? Like you signed him for the

1:09:16

playoff push, but we didn't end up making the playoffs that

1:09:18

year or something like that. They've had one of those. I

1:09:20

feel like a lot. But yeah, a

1:09:23

Veldir was like that one year, I think. Tremon

1:09:25

was almost like that. Yeah,

1:09:27

merciless basically. Yeah. Yeah. So

1:09:29

yeah, Damon Harrison or Devon Harrison, whatever it is.

1:09:31

He was a packer for a hot second.

1:09:34

There's a good trivia one for you. Just don't

1:09:36

use it in a immaculate grid because he

1:09:38

never actually played it down. Weird draft, not a

1:09:40

single trade in all offense and one and

1:09:42

two. I'm pretty happy, but just not what I

1:09:44

was expecting from Goot. I would be willing

1:09:46

to bet you that Goot would be willing to

1:09:48

tell you that this was not the draft

1:09:50

that he was necessarily expecting to have, but he

1:09:52

trusted the board and went with it nonetheless. I

1:09:55

mean he said how many times where

1:09:57

he was trying he wanted more than

1:09:59

eight picks like after every press conference

1:10:02

like I'm trying I'm trying to get

1:10:04

more picks. I'm trying to move down

1:10:06

I can't move down. I can't get

1:10:08

more picks like so Yeah, yeah, but

1:10:10

when you did your UDFA has anything

1:10:12

come through if they like gave big

1:10:14

signing bonuses to anything No, so no

1:10:16

no bonuses have been reported One of

1:10:18

the guys they brought in on a

1:10:20

visit Stackhouse was the big one right

1:10:23

from Georgia Honestly,

1:10:25

Stackhouse and then Jamie

1:10:27

Dumas Johnson, the linebacker

1:10:30

from Kentucky. Those

1:10:32

were both guys who if

1:10:34

places didn't have them going

1:10:36

drafted, then they had him

1:10:38

like super high priority free

1:10:40

agents. So I think those are

1:10:43

the two guys who have the best shot,

1:10:45

especially considering even with the reserve future guys,

1:10:47

the Packers still only have six linebackers right

1:10:49

now. Now I'm not counting. the

1:10:51

Oklahoma State Kid in as a

1:10:53

linebacker. But right. They're

1:10:55

pretty thin at that position. The

1:10:57

Packers Packers signed. I

1:10:59

lied to you. They didn't sign

1:11:01

any visitors. They're bringing in

1:11:04

the Canadian quarterback Taylor Algarz Ma

1:11:06

to a rookie camp, rookie

1:11:08

mini camp. Jacob Bayer, the

1:11:10

kid out of Arkansas State signed with the bills.

1:11:13

And then as far as I know, Isaiah

1:11:15

Bond and Issa Pole have not signed

1:11:17

anywhere. So. Those are the only

1:11:19

visitors who are available. I

1:11:21

liked a little bit of that. Tim just asked this.

1:11:23

I don't know the context of this. I haven't listened to

1:11:25

the full press conference yet. I don't know if you had

1:11:27

the opportunity to, but he said, but Agout's comments about wanting

1:11:29

to trade for picks for next year. Yeah,

1:11:32

he said at the end, he was

1:11:34

like, they just asked him for trades and,

1:11:36

you know, why they didn't make any

1:11:38

trades. And he was like, well, everyone wanted

1:11:40

to sell at the top of the

1:11:42

draft. And then at the end of the

1:11:44

draft, I was trying to see if

1:11:46

we could get picks for 2026 and no

1:11:48

one was buying. So. We had guys

1:11:50

that we liked and we just ended up

1:11:52

taking them so gotcha Interesting All right,

1:11:54

justo, um, I'm gonna probably get out of

1:11:56

here pretty soon unless there's any other

1:11:58

people that have any other uh crazy I

1:12:00

guess yeah, we could get an isaacm

1:12:02

in signing now that they didn't get any

1:12:05

linebackers that wouldn't be the craziest thing

1:12:07

in the world But um, never know I

1:12:09

could go over and see it. Um,

1:12:11

as far as just weird stuff Dude there's

1:12:13

a guy named bugs brown that

1:12:15

the Packers signed. I did see

1:12:17

that. I did see that. He

1:12:19

is two hundred and twenty three

1:12:21

pounds and a true outside cornerback.

1:12:24

How to what? Two twenty

1:12:26

three. Whew. The

1:12:29

saucy mama. Massive. I saw that

1:12:31

and I was like, it has to be a

1:12:33

slot. It has to be a safety. Paul

1:12:35

signed with Kansas City. That's actually a pretty good

1:12:37

fit. That's according to Sean. I

1:12:39

don't I believe in Sean. I

1:12:41

believe him. I do too. No reason to not

1:12:44

trust him. Justice, the man,

1:12:46

the myth, the legend. Yeah.

1:12:50

Favorite draft pick you think will have the

1:12:52

most impact. Easy answer, golden, but curious. It's

1:12:56

probably got to be golden, right? Yeah, I'm

1:12:58

taking the easy answer on this one. I

1:13:01

will say. So

1:13:06

I'll probably go golden,

1:13:08

Belton, right? Stocking,

1:13:10

I'm going the first two picks in order. But

1:13:13

then after that, I wouldn't be surprised

1:13:15

if. Surrell has

1:13:17

more impact than Savion,

1:13:19

especially early on. Yep,

1:13:21

totally. And then Brinson. Potentially

1:13:25

just because of the need at the position

1:13:27

that he might see the field like he asked

1:13:29

you. Surrell and Brinson are the

1:13:31

two that I'm eyeing the most after

1:13:33

the first two rounds. I

1:13:35

would probably I might go golden and

1:13:37

then Brinson, to be honest, Brinson might

1:13:39

be my second draft pick if I

1:13:41

was saying who might have. At least

1:13:43

like a known role, like I could

1:13:45

see him actually having like 10, 15

1:13:47

snaps per game, not a crazy like

1:13:49

unforeseeable way. Yeah, for sure. Cause

1:13:52

again, like if Kenny's off of the

1:13:54

field, they're going to need someone to play

1:13:56

no tackle and he's going to rotate

1:13:58

out even if he's not injured, right? So

1:14:00

I guess maybe you could do Carl

1:14:02

Brooks there. Um, but I'm assuming it's

1:14:04

going to be one of these no stackles.

1:14:06

I don't think you want to live. in a

1:14:08

world where Carl Brooks is getting TJ Slayton

1:14:10

snaps. I don't that. Don't

1:14:13

like it at all. Don't like that

1:14:15

idea. One Iota. Yeah, that's another

1:14:17

one. I was looking at the available

1:14:19

defensive tackles for free agency as well.

1:14:21

And it was ugly. It was extremely

1:14:23

ugly. The defensive tackles

1:14:25

went way earlier

1:14:27

than everyone thought. We

1:14:29

knew it was a good class. The

1:14:32

NFL thought it was a better

1:14:34

class somehow. Yeah. Crazy.

1:14:37

All right, final thoughts, my friend. Be

1:14:40

great draft. Pretty happy with

1:14:42

it. Don't really

1:14:44

hate any of these picks. Haven't seen

1:14:46

a lot of the day three

1:14:48

guys, but on paper, you

1:14:51

know, I've seen some clips

1:14:53

of Sorrell and Oliver. Kind

1:14:56

of checks out. I kind of think

1:14:58

Sorrell might be Sorrell might be like one

1:15:00

of their best value picks, I think,

1:15:02

in this draft. We'll have to see. Elijah

1:15:05

says, I get staying home. Thank you both for the

1:15:08

coverage. Elijah, you are more than welcome. Uh,

1:15:10

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1:16:00

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1:16:02

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1:16:04

got everything. We

1:16:06

got everything up there. And honestly,

1:16:10

I wrote I think I tweeted this

1:16:12

out. I wrote like I Think

1:16:14

it was like 13 actual scouting reports

1:16:17

this draft and three of them

1:16:19

were the Packers top three picks we

1:16:21

had information on I think five

1:16:23

of the Packers eight picks and we

1:16:25

didn't look at that many guys

1:16:27

that we did, you know full posts

1:16:29

on Leading up to the draft.

1:16:32

We got a lot of these in

1:16:34

right before the draft started. So

1:16:36

I felt very prepared Love

1:16:38

it. I want to remind you guys

1:16:40

going into next season. Visits matter. They

1:16:42

drafted five of them. They had

1:16:44

eight picks. They drafted five of them. Please

1:16:46

pay attention to their visits. And that's, I

1:16:48

don't know if we, maybe they did ask and

1:16:50

it got confirmed, but we didn't even know

1:16:52

about saving on Williams ahead of time. And it's

1:16:54

possible that a couple of the other ones

1:16:56

were visits and we don't even know it yet

1:16:58

unless they got asked today. And I just

1:17:00

don't know about it. But we had, we had

1:17:02

25 of the 30 going into the draft

1:17:04

and then we know that he was one of

1:17:06

them. So there's four still out there. that

1:17:08

we don't just never know Andy. We'll never probably

1:17:10

know. So yeah, unless it maybe it could

1:17:12

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