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20th at 10 on TLC. Hi

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there and welcome back to Paranormal

1:30

Activity. I'm your host Yvette Fielding.

1:32

In previous episodes we've explored haunted

1:35

locations, chilling encounters and intriguing pieces

1:37

of evidence. But this week we're

1:39

going to be taking a step

1:42

back for a more historical perspective.

1:44

We're going to look at the

1:46

birth of paranormal groups and ghost

1:49

hunting teams in the UK, the

1:51

societies, clubs and organisations that helped

1:54

to shape the modern field of

1:56

ghost investigation groups. events that we

1:58

know today. Joining me on this

2:01

journey is Jenny Bryant from most

2:03

haunted experience, we're going to be

2:05

speaking to her in a little

2:07

bit. You see, ghost hunting didn't

2:09

just appear out of thin air.

2:11

It has a long lineage, particularly

2:14

in Britain, where folklore and a

2:16

love for the mysterious a part

2:18

of our cultural DNA. From well-respected

2:20

academic societies in the Victorian era

2:22

all the way to the modern

2:24

ghost hunting teams that bravely set

2:27

up their infrared cameras in damp...

2:29

or drafty castles and I know

2:31

how that feels. The story of

2:33

how these groups came to be

2:36

is as enthralling as any halting

2:38

you're finding your local pop. So,

2:40

let's begin. Welcome to

2:42

another episode of Paranormal

2:44

Activity. And as ever, I like

2:47

to start the show off with

2:49

a bit of a fact or

2:51

fiction and as ever listen for

2:53

the answer at the end of

2:56

the show. As we're chatting all

2:58

about the history of paranormal groups

3:00

in the UK, I want to

3:02

know whether it's fact or fiction

3:04

that the paranormal activity surrounding one

3:07

of Britain's original haunted houses, Bawley

3:09

Rectry and Essex, stopped once it

3:11

was demolished in 1945. Did it?

3:13

Find out at the end of the show. Now

3:15

before we chat to this

3:18

week's guest, let's consider why

3:20

the UK has such a

3:22

robust history of paranormal interest.

3:25

Britain boasts a vast tapestry

3:27

of legends. Stories of ghosts,

3:29

headless horsemen, spectral monks and

3:32

even, well, there's plenty, aren't

3:34

there, a grey lady. Many

3:36

of our stately homes, castles

3:38

and inns trace back centuries,

3:41

each with its fair share

3:43

of tragedy, intrigue, and rumoured

3:45

hauntings. The environment naturally inspires

3:47

curiosity and after all if

3:49

you grow up hearing tales of

3:52

the white lady haunting the tower

3:54

at midnight you might be tempted

3:57

to investigate it for yourself. Additionally

3:59

the UK's academic tradition, especially

4:01

in the 19th century, encouraged

4:03

intellectual curiosity, even if it

4:06

was about fringe topics. At

4:08

a time when science was

4:10

blossoming in fields like biology

4:13

and physics, some courageous souls

4:15

dared to ask, what if

4:17

there's something more? Yes, they

4:19

risked ridicule, but their investigations

4:22

laid the groundwork for a

4:24

more structured approach to dosely

4:26

phenomena. Now people have been

4:28

telling ghost stories since time

4:31

began. But the idea of

4:33

systematically investigating these stories, logging

4:35

reports and gathering witnesses, comparing

4:38

notes was a relatively new

4:40

concept that gained momentum in

4:42

the Victorian age. And this

4:44

is where we begin our

4:47

journey. In the 19th century,

4:49

amid an atmosphere of scientific

4:51

progress, spiritualism and a newfound

4:53

openness to exploring the unknown.

4:56

To understand the emergence of

4:58

organised paranormal societies, we can

5:00

skip over the spiritualist movement

5:03

that swept through Britain in

5:05

the mid to late 1800s.

5:07

And as you know, in

5:09

past podcasts we've discussed the

5:12

spiritualist movement in depth. And

5:14

arguably, it all originated in

5:16

the United States with the

5:18

Fox sisters who claimed to

5:21

communicate with a spirit through

5:23

rapping sounds. Spiritualism found fertile

5:25

ground in the UK. parlour

5:28

sales and table tipping and

5:30

the claim to channel the

5:32

spirits of the dead became

5:34

very fashionable amongst the curious

5:37

upper and middle classes and

5:39

as we know of course

5:41

this was spurned on by

5:43

the first world war and

5:46

many people losing loved ones

5:48

and they wanted to try

5:50

and communicate with them to

5:53

make sure that they were

5:55

happy in the afterlife. Mediums

5:57

toured the country hosting events

5:59

in private homes and public

6:02

halls and suddenly the topic

6:04

of ghosts in the afterlife

6:06

was never longer a hushed

6:08

subject. It was dinner table.

6:11

conversation. People wanted proof and

6:13

that desire for evidence spurred

6:15

the birth of more formal

6:18

investigative groups. Some well-known spiritualists

6:20

even dabbled in what we

6:22

might call ghost hunting today.

6:24

They try to document apparitions

6:27

or record messages from the

6:29

beyond. However, much of this

6:31

was theatrical, dark rooms, dramatic

6:33

fainting spells, curtains, behind which

6:36

objects would mysteriously move. Fraud

6:38

was rampant, as we know.

6:40

Again, take a listen to

6:43

some of the past podcasts.

6:45

I particularly love ectocasm. Some

6:47

of the photographs from that

6:49

particular era make me howl

6:52

with laughter. But the fervour

6:54

around it led certain scientifically

6:56

inclined individuals to say, hang

6:58

on now, let's approach this

7:01

more systematically. That's where one

7:03

of the biggest names in

7:05

paranormal investigation emerges. The Society,

7:08

the Psychical Research SPR, used

7:10

to be a member, but

7:12

I let my membership lapse.

7:14

It was founded in 1882

7:17

in London. The SPR is

7:19

often cited as the world's

7:21

first organisation devoted to the

7:24

systematic study of psychic and

7:26

supernatural phenomena. Its founders included

7:28

scholars, scientists and thinkers such

7:30

as Edmund Gurney, Frederick, W.

7:33

H. Myers. Sidgwick, intellectual heavyweight

7:35

who believed that the question

7:37

of life after death, telepathy

7:39

and apparitions deserved rigorous academic

7:42

scrutiny. What distinguished the SPR

7:44

was its commitment to mythology.

7:46

While some members were believers

7:49

in spiritualism, others were storage

7:51

skeptics or agnostics. They published

7:53

studies in their proceedings reports

7:55

that ranged from analysis of

7:58

mediums to investigations of haunted

8:00

houses. The group interviewed witnesses

8:02

sought corroborating evidence. an attempt

8:04

to eliminate mundane explanations like

8:07

fraud, hallucination or misinterpretation of

8:09

natural sounds. You might think

8:11

19th century society would scoff

8:14

at such pursuits. Yet the

8:16

SPR attracted respectable figures including

8:18

future Prime Minister Arthur Balfour

8:20

and poet Alfred Tennyson. This

8:23

melding of intellectual curiosity with

8:25

a willingness to question materialist

8:27

dogma laid the groundwork for

8:29

the paranormal societies that would

8:32

follow. One of the SPR's

8:34

notable early cases involved Bawley

8:36

Rectry, often touted as the

8:39

most haunted house in England,

8:41

though the SPR didn't fully

8:43

investigate it until the early

8:45

20th century. Another earlier phenomenon

8:48

studied by SPR members was

8:50

the Philip experiment style of

8:52

investigation. Though the formal Philip

8:54

experiment occurred later in Canada,

8:57

the concept of testing the

8:59

idea that ghosts might be

9:01

thought forms has echoes in

9:04

the SPR's earlier experiments with

9:06

mediums and apparitions. Additionally, SPR

9:08

investigators tackled the question of

9:10

telepathy. Some believed that reports

9:13

of hauntings might be a...

9:15

of mind-to-mind communication rather than

9:17

literal spirits. This line of

9:19

inquiry sometimes overshadowed the purely

9:22

ghostly side of things, but

9:24

it demonstrated how broad the

9:26

SPR's scope was. In a

9:29

sense, they were the first

9:31

multidisciplinary group tackling all aspects

9:33

of the paranormal. After World

9:35

War I, as spiritualism surged,

9:38

so did public fascination with

9:40

apparitions and poltergeist. Yet, the

9:42

climate was shifting. Advances in

9:44

science and technology made an

9:47

impression on the general public.

9:49

Electricity, radio and early cinema

9:51

meant the modern age was

9:54

truly upon us. People wanted

9:56

evidence, the kind that might

9:58

come from photographs, recordings, or

10:00

at least through eye-wicks. documentation.

10:03

Societies like the SPR continued

10:05

their work publishing investigations into

10:07

hauntings that displayed systematic approaches,

10:09

interviewing multiple witnesses, gathering testimonies

10:12

for residents, neighbours and caretakers,

10:14

on-site observations where they would

10:16

spend the night at allegedly

10:19

haunted locations to record any

10:21

phenomena firsthand. checking for locations'

10:23

backstory matched the type of

10:25

haunting reported. Yet the Coplix

10:28

appetite was also fed by

10:30

sensational newspaper stories, some of

10:32

which were outright fabrications, whilst

10:34

others were just embellished accounts

10:37

of real investigations. And this

10:39

era laid the groundwork for

10:41

what we might call public

10:44

ghost hunting, where ordinary folks

10:46

felt that they could investigate

10:48

alongside or inspired by official

10:50

societies. He

10:54

can't discuss early British ghost hunters

10:56

without mentioning the extraordinary Harry Price.

10:58

Now he was a charismatic figure

11:01

known for investigating Bawley Rectry and

11:03

for his showmanship in exposing fraudulent

11:05

mediums. And if you want to

11:08

know more about Mr Price and

11:10

Bawley Rectry, then have a look

11:12

back to one of my earlier

11:14

podcasts and there's a whole episode

11:17

on him and of course, the

11:19

Rectry. World War II overshadowed paranormal

11:21

pursuits as the nation's focus shifted

11:24

to survival and of course rebuilding

11:26

many private societies paused or disbanded

11:28

UFOs nuclear anxieties in the sense

11:31

that we were on the verge

11:33

of huge scientific leaks. Ghost hunting

11:35

therefore re-emerged in a context where

11:38

the public was more open than

11:40

ever to the unknown. Organizations like

11:42

the SPR or the Ghost Club

11:45

continued their work while new... regional

11:47

clubs sprang up, country ghost clubs,

11:49

local historical societies branching into supernatural

11:52

investigation, and even university-based group, Cambridge,

11:54

Oxford and other institutions had informal

11:56

ghost clubs among students who visited

11:59

local halls for late night for

12:01

days. Some were more about adventurous

12:03

fun than serious research, but it

12:06

all contributed to a growing culture

12:08

of group-based ghost exploration. The invention

12:10

and widespread adoption of television changed

12:13

everything. Documentaries on haunted castles featuring

12:15

interviews with local ghost groups began

12:17

to appear. The BBC occasionally ran

12:19

programmes on famous hauntings or psychic

12:22

phenomena and this mainstream exposure helped

12:24

smaller paranormal societies gain membership. And

12:26

after all if you saw a

12:29

ghost group on TV investigating an

12:31

old fortress you might think, oh

12:33

I'd love to do that too.

12:36

In the 70s, the UK saw

12:38

an influx of American paranormal pop

12:40

culture movies like The Exorcist ignited

12:43

fresh curiosity in demonic hauntings, while

12:45

books about real-life poltergeist such as

12:47

the Enfield poltergeist captivated the public.

12:50

And although Enfield occurred in the

12:52

late 1970s, it showcased how a

12:54

well-documented haunting could command national headlines

12:57

and stir up intense debate between

12:59

believers and Then of course you

13:01

had, I remember growing up myself,

13:04

I've talked about this before, the

13:06

fantastic artistry, Clark's mysterious world, I

13:08

grew up watching that program, sometimes

13:11

fascinated, sometimes hiding behind the squeaky

13:13

leatherette brown sofa. And then... Strange

13:15

but true with Michael Aswell. That

13:17

was a fantastic show. I absolutely

13:20

loved it. And then of course

13:22

there was a live TV show

13:24

called Ghost Watch on BBC One,

13:27

which sparked huge controversy all over

13:29

the UK. Was it real? Was

13:31

it faked? And of course it

13:34

was made as a drama. But

13:36

it managed to scare the living

13:38

daylight out of millions who watched

13:41

it. and then came along most

13:43

haunted. And over the years, many

13:45

more ghost programmes throughout the world

13:48

have been made and become incredibly

13:50

popular. And by this juncture, ghost

13:52

hunting was no longer the domain

13:55

of a small circle of Victorian-era

13:57

intellectuals. It was a growing pastime

13:59

for the curious, the thrill-seeking, and

14:02

the genuinely, spiritually-minded. So now, we're

14:04

kind of up to date, so

14:06

let's bring on our guest for

14:09

today Jenny Bryant, manager of most

14:11

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15:27

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15:30

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15:34

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10 on TLC. Welcome,

16:01

Jenny, Brian, welcome. Hello. It's so

16:03

lovely to have you on the program.

16:05

I think this is a very first,

16:08

isn't it, that you've ever been on

16:10

the paranormal activity podcast. Yeah, very first

16:12

time, I'm really excited. Well, obviously, you

16:15

have been at the forefront of most-wanted

16:17

experience for how many... years now? Oh

16:19

God, I think it's 10, 11, 12

16:22

years now? A long time. A long

16:24

time, but before you started doing

16:26

that, you had your own ghost

16:28

group, I want to take you right

16:30

back to the beginning and talk about

16:33

perhaps when you first became interested

16:35

in ghosts, what really sparked your

16:37

enthusiasm for it, weren't you scared? Well

16:39

like, yeah, I mean... I've always

16:41

had an interest in it and

16:43

then I'm not a big drinker. I

16:45

used to talk about it because

16:47

my dad was quite sceptical. He

16:49

didn't believe in anything. My mum was

16:52

the other way because she used

16:54

to tell me by experiences that

16:56

she used to work in an old

16:58

people's home at night and she

17:00

used to have all sorts of

17:02

strange occurrences happening. So I've always had

17:04

an interest in it and then

17:06

I'm not a big drinker me.

17:08

So from a hen night when I

17:11

got married. I'd watch most haunted

17:13

on the telly. I wanted to

17:15

do exactly the same thing. So I

17:17

searched the internet and found a

17:19

company that was doing ghost hunts.

17:21

So that's what I did from a

17:23

hen night. So that kick started

17:25

it off really. And can you

17:27

remember what happened on your hen night?

17:30

I mean, like you say, you know,

17:32

you're not a drinker. So you

17:34

obviously weren't, you know, going around

17:36

drinking whilst doing a ghost hunt. And

17:38

the thing is with ghosts, you're

17:40

not allowed any alcohol any alcohol

17:42

anyway. Did you see anything experiencing? Can

17:45

you remember? Oh God, I was

17:47

absolutely petrified all night. They had

17:49

to take me out of the rooms

17:51

to be fair because everything was

17:53

a ghost to me. We didn't

17:55

fall weirdly enough. I know. I was,

17:57

we had these night vision cameras

17:59

and everything I was seeing. I

18:01

was just, I went to the point

18:04

where I was nearly passing out.

18:06

So they had to take me

18:08

out of the room, I'll be in

18:10

the right instead. And here you

18:12

are now, so many years later,

18:14

actually in charge of these things. It's

18:17

crazy. Isn't it? So you went

18:19

from doing that then, you must

18:21

have loved it even though you were

18:23

terrified. So you must have loved it

18:25

that much because then you set

18:27

up your own company, didn't you?

18:29

Yeah, yeah, the company that I did

18:32

the hen night with, they actually

18:34

helped me, asked me to help

18:36

out on a couple of their events,

18:38

so I thought to a few

18:40

people that... had an interest the

18:42

same as me and we set up

18:44

the Guston Company and it went

18:46

from there really and we only

18:48

did like maybe a couple a month

18:51

but yeah I absolutely fascinated and

18:53

that but I didn't see anything

18:55

after that I were like what's going

18:57

on now I started becoming quite

18:59

skeptical and I think I wanted

19:01

it too much and then once I

19:03

started relaxing and just thinking right

19:05

I'm gonna go and have a

19:07

good time that's when I started like

19:10

hearing things, seeing things. So I

19:12

think sometimes you can want it

19:14

too much. Yeah, I've often heard that

19:16

many, many times by lots of

19:18

different people, especially when they, you

19:20

know, if a loved one passes away,

19:22

they want so desperately to have a

19:25

dream or see the ghost of

19:27

their mom or dad or whoever.

19:29

And they're going, why, why, why haven't

19:31

they come to me? And I

19:33

think sometimes you're absolutely right there,

19:35

Jenny, you can want something so badly

19:37

that perhaps you're not relaxed enough

19:39

to have things. how I normally

19:41

happen around you. So from there, you

19:44

set up your company and then

19:46

all I remember is, I remember

19:48

Carl saying to me, there's this very

19:50

nice lady who we've met and

19:52

she's going to do most haunted

19:54

experience. So would you like to me?

19:56

would you like? Well go and

19:58

do and I can't remember where

20:00

our first one was that I worked

20:03

with you. It was some old

20:05

mill. I know it was freezing.

20:07

It was standard tool factory once I

20:09

think. It was absolutely, it was

20:11

just a derelict building freezing cold.

20:13

I know and I remember Karl pulling

20:15

up the drive and this thing leapt

20:18

out from the dark and wrapped.

20:20

so loudly on the window. I

20:22

think I think I wet myself there

20:24

and then and you pressed your

20:26

face up against the window and

20:28

I heard, oh! You knew you were

20:31

going to get on just fine.

20:33

Yes and I remember that and

20:35

it was it's You have such a

20:37

lovely warm personality and you're so

20:39

friendly and inviting and I think

20:41

when people are nervous like you were

20:43

when you did your very first

20:45

one it really helps to have

20:47

somebody there that a bit like a

20:50

mull really come here you're all

20:52

right don't be scared you know

20:54

you do need that so I remember

20:56

that one very very vividly and

20:58

I just knew all we're in

21:00

good hands here and she's lovely and

21:02

that's great and then we like

21:04

you say we've been doing it

21:06

for 12 years and in that time

21:09

What stands out in your mind

21:11

as perhaps one of the scariest

21:13

or, well let's do scariest first, what's

21:15

the scariest experience that you've had whilst

21:17

doing these events? I think the

21:19

scariest one was at a place

21:21

in Leicester, it was a tower's asylum,

21:24

it was one where Carla, again

21:26

another derelict building, but it was

21:28

one where Carlin Stewart was on that

21:30

night, and... It's a building that

21:32

was being sold, it was in

21:34

the process of parts of it being

21:36

sold off to different companies, development

21:38

companies. So there was a big

21:40

hall, I'd been there previously with the

21:43

other ghost hunting company, and there

21:45

was a massive big hall, and

21:47

I wanted to show Carl and Stuart

21:49

won't really allowed in there to

21:51

be fair, but the... caretaker gave

21:53

us the key and says, yeah, go

21:55

and have a look. So there

21:57

was only me, Carlin Stewart, that

21:59

walked into this hall, and within about

22:02

five minutes, we could hear footsteps

22:04

walking around the outside of the

22:06

hall, the perimeter of the hall, and

22:08

it was just getting closer and louder

22:10

and closer, and to the point

22:12

where we was just in the

22:14

middle thinking, and we couldn't see a

22:17

thing, it was beached at. What

22:19

the heck's going on? The next

22:21

minute, a nickel bucket flew from the

22:23

darkness and landed right in front

22:25

of us. And that was it.

22:27

I was gone and I was running

22:30

for the exit. And obviously, the

22:32

cameras do what was running this

22:34

well to the exit. As we was

22:36

leaving a really big... Well, we

22:38

didn't know at the time what

22:40

it was. We just heard the crash.

22:42

It wasn't until after when we

22:44

sort of glanced in. It was

22:46

a massive, big freestanding radiator that had

22:49

been thrown. It was absolutely. petrifying

22:51

and it's such a shame because

22:53

now it's all gone and we can't

22:55

get in there anymore it's all

22:57

been sold off but I'd love

22:59

to know what the new owners are

23:01

experiencing there because it was terrifying.

23:03

a bit like Glenn in the

23:05

chair isn't it you know the famous

23:08

violent encounters most haunted episode when things

23:10

like that are thrown and then

23:12

you know come close to you

23:14

think my god you know did you

23:16

intend it the ghost I'm talking

23:18

to did you intend for that

23:20

object to hit us to hit us

23:23

and kill us because it could

23:25

could have really seriously seriously damaged

23:27

you or or or killed you know

23:29

a big heavy flipping radiator and

23:31

my god you know it's frightening

23:33

isn't Absolutely. I mean, yeah, I think

23:35

some of these, I think a

23:37

lot of the time it's to

23:39

scare you because like, like you've just

23:42

said, they could hit you quite

23:44

easily. I mean, that metal bucket

23:46

coming out the darkness. I mean, was

23:48

it potluck that it didn't hear?

23:50

I don't know. Was it intended

23:52

just to land right in front of

23:54

us and scare us? But it

23:56

was, it did. the job. We

23:58

were out of that. Out of all

24:01

the different locations you've been to over

24:03

the years. I know you've been

24:05

to lots like a lot of

24:07

them have shut down or they've been

24:09

bulldozed down now which like you

24:11

say it's a real shame to

24:13

lose some of these incredible locations. Which

24:16

out of all the locations and

24:18

even the ones that you still

24:20

do today is would you say with

24:22

your favorite where you always go

24:24

and you go oh my god

24:26

we get so much stuff here. Yeah

24:28

I mean there's a lot of

24:30

the locations. I don't get quite

24:33

nervous. I mean, when we've been on

24:35

some of the events, we've been

24:37

hugging each other's hands and we're

24:39

walking around. But it's, it's, Dorchester Prison

24:41

is one of the places that

24:43

I would never walk around there

24:45

on my own. We did an event

24:48

there quite, I think about a

24:50

year ago now, and it was

24:52

such a weird night. I mean, there

24:54

was one point where the team

24:56

can run into me. I was

24:58

with Carn Stewart and a lot of

25:00

guests. And they said, Jenny you are

25:03

right. I said, I'm absolutely fine.

25:05

Because Jenny, we could hear you

25:07

crying for help on the walkie docket.

25:09

I said, I've not used the

25:11

walkie docket. It was such a

25:13

strange location. But it feels scary. It

25:15

feels scary. It feels really horrible

25:17

in there. Yeah, I've never ever

25:19

been. So yeah, Dorchester, yeah, car keeps

25:22

talking about that. And I've never

25:24

been and I'm sort of jealous,

25:26

something. Oh God, you know, you know,

25:28

really want to go. So, you

25:30

know how you mentioned on your

25:32

hen night, you had to be taken

25:34

out. I mean, not taken out.

25:36

you know, not taking, I'm not,

25:38

I'm talking about, actually escorted out of

25:41

various rooms. What happens if you

25:43

get, for instance, if somebody's listening

25:45

now got, oh I really love to

25:47

go on a ghost hunt, but

25:49

I'm really frightened. What do you

25:51

do in that situation with people? And

25:53

we know for a fact, some guests

25:56

have actually been physically sick, haven't

25:58

they? Some have fainted? What happens?

26:00

What do you do? Well, it's obviously

26:02

most of the guests are in

26:04

the group, so they'll come with

26:06

friends as well. There is free time

26:08

at the end of the night

26:10

where people can go and wander

26:12

off depending on the location if they

26:15

allow it. But if somebody gets

26:17

really scared or really poorly or

26:19

feels sick. One of the team will

26:21

take them back to base room

26:23

depending on whether it's someone feeling

26:25

sick or fit We'll maybe give them

26:27

a nice sweet cup of tea

26:29

a chocolate bar if the feeling

26:31

scared the team will sit down and

26:34

talk to them until the ready

26:36

that I mean some people come

26:38

back and they're absolutely petrified and The

26:40

team will sit down with them,

26:42

have a chat with them, and

26:44

then 10 minutes let, they're ready to

26:47

go back out there again. The team,

26:49

a very good way of calming

26:51

people down. Again, it's their night

26:53

as well, they can do as much

26:55

as they want to do, they

26:57

can do a region board, they

26:59

can do tailor tipping, or they can

27:02

just watch, it's entirely up to

27:04

them. So how does an evening

27:06

go, then, a general... ghost hunting evening

27:08

with yourself? How does it work?

27:10

The normal times at 9 till

27:12

1 o'clock in the morning, they guess

27:14

I'll arrive at about half a

27:16

day. So I'm normally the face.

27:18

If I'm not on that event, it'll

27:21

be one of the other team.

27:23

They'll come in. We'll sign them

27:25

in. We'll get them inside and they

27:27

can help herself to a nice

27:29

cup of coffee or hot chocolate

27:31

and some biscuits and crisps. In winter

27:33

months we have soup, which is

27:35

lovely red rolls. and we have

27:37

pop and juice. Yeah, juice, juice or

27:40

pop. They have like a welcome

27:42

talk. They'll have watched the Health

27:44

and Safety video online before they get

27:46

there, because they have to sign like

27:48

a little box saying that they've

27:50

watched it. So I'll say hello

27:52

to them, I'll another team, well, and

27:55

then if we've got a celebrity,

27:57

because we do different times, we

27:59

do the investigations, which are non-celebs, and

28:01

we do the celebrity events. and

28:03

if the celebs are there they'll

28:05

come and say hello we'll get the

28:07

pro phone photos, a big group

28:09

photo, and then we'll all separate

28:11

off. So we normally do a couple

28:14

of groups, depending on the size

28:16

of the event. It can be

28:18

two teams, four teams, and we'll go

28:20

off to different areas of the

28:22

location and do some ghost hunting,

28:24

use the equipment, table tipping, K-2s, things

28:26

like that. and then we have

28:28

a break and then swap areas

28:30

and then like I said sometimes they

28:33

do free time so they can

28:35

go off and they've done the

28:37

group things they know what to do

28:39

and they go off on their own

28:41

and do their own little investigation

28:43

it's great fun good atmosphere so

28:46

they go off and be very brave

28:48

and normally you find don't you

28:50

when people go off on their

28:52

own or if they come with like

28:54

this four girls let's say that's

28:56

when stuff more stuff will happen

28:58

when the smaller group And because they're

29:01

smaller groups, the fear, they get

29:03

more frightened, don't they? So I

29:05

always believe it's, I always say it's

29:07

the energy, you're pushing that nervous

29:09

energy out into the atmosphere, and

29:11

that's when I think. Lots of strange

29:13

and sometimes very frightening things can

29:15

happen. Me and you walking through

29:17

Shrewsbury Prison on our own trying to

29:20

get from one location, you know,

29:22

from one group to another. I

29:24

mean, I am petrified only because I

29:26

know what that prison is capable

29:28

of giving out and I hunker

29:30

down under me, yeah, hunker down under

29:32

me coat and I'm grabbing old

29:34

of you and I'm shaking. Yeah,

29:36

it's not funny Jenny, it's flipping frightening.

29:39

It's awful and then when you say,

29:41

I know, I'm seeing him, I

29:43

know, and then when you say

29:45

to me, well I think it's this

29:47

way and it's pitch black and

29:49

the torch is starting to go

29:51

and I'm thinking, oh my god Jenny

29:54

and no no it's this way

29:56

because it is so huge some

29:58

of these prisons and you know all

30:00

the little runs don't you how

30:02

to get from A to be

30:04

but sometimes She goes, oh no, it's

30:06

this way. And I think, oh

30:08

my God, and I'm counting the

30:10

seconds of how to get out. You

30:13

know, because you know me, I'm

30:15

a terrible scaredy cat. And it's

30:17

lovely. So I love going to the

30:19

events because you get to meet

30:21

like-minded people and not everybody has

30:23

to be a believer, do they? No,

30:25

oh God we get so many

30:27

times where I mean you guys

30:29

will say at the front boy have

30:32

we got any non-believers in the audience

30:34

and it's it's normally husbands or

30:36

something it did that's been dragged

30:38

along by the wives but yeah no

30:40

I mean we've had it before

30:42

I can remember one instance it

30:44

was army mills and there was a

30:47

really big guy and he'd come

30:49

with his wife and he was

30:51

a complete skept and throughout the night

30:53

he obviously joined in and he

30:55

really did get stuck in which

30:57

we do ask if if you ask

31:00

that please still join in and

31:02

you know and just you know

31:04

try not to put that negative energy

31:06

out. But yeah he saw a

31:08

little girl that night and for

31:10

weeks after I was acting a bit

31:12

like a counselor because it changed

31:14

his whole belief system and he

31:16

was really surprised and I find that

31:19

amazing. So yeah, it was, it

31:21

was fun enough weeks after so

31:23

I can't get a vote, I've seen.

31:25

It's fantastic isn't it watching people's

31:27

belief systems completely changed and then

31:29

you look at the TV show Most

31:31

Haunted which you know has you know

31:34

spurned an awful lot of other

31:36

TV shows after that and they're

31:38

all successful which has then spurned on

31:40

lots of ghost hunting events all

31:42

over the country and indeed all

31:44

over the world. What I love is

31:46

the fact, do you think more

31:48

TV shows like most wanted? Because

31:50

I think we're the only ones in

31:53

the world at the moment that

31:55

I know of that actually we

31:57

film a show. and then we say

31:59

to the members of the public

32:01

right come to this location come

32:03

and join us come and join the

32:05

team be a part of it

32:07

do you think more you know

32:09

TV shows that are saying that it's

32:12

real it's not faked and is

32:14

that do you think the one

32:16

the genuine ones should be doing the

32:18

same thing absolutely I mean you

32:20

know I've seen you put on

32:22

Twitter many times you know come and

32:24

join us you know come and see

32:27

for yourself and it most aren't

32:29

is the only one where you

32:31

can watch an episode, for example, I

32:33

don't know, H.P. Shrewsbury, you can

32:35

watch that episode and then go

32:37

on the website and book online and

32:39

come with you guys and do

32:41

the ghostum. And we've had people

32:43

saying before that, you know, they've been

32:46

running through the corridors with you

32:48

and Cal, you know, we've heard

32:50

a noise at the end of the

32:52

wing and they're like, oh my

32:54

God, it's like being a must-handed.

32:56

I know, it's good isn't it? So

32:58

if people want to come, for

33:01

anybody that's listening now and you've

33:03

never been on a most haunted experience,

33:05

and I know many of you

33:07

will have, but if some of

33:09

you haven't, how do they get in

33:11

touch and what do they need

33:13

to do, Jenny? Well, we've got

33:15

plenty of Facebook pages out there, we've

33:18

got Twitter pages out there, it's

33:20

all under the most onto experience,

33:22

logo and brand, and they can go

33:24

on the website which is... all the

33:26

calendars on there. They've got the

33:28

different separations of the celebrity events,

33:30

the non-celeb events, and we've also got

33:33

celebrity specials, which are the big,

33:35

like Halloween events. So yeah, it'll

33:37

be loved with our people coming. And

33:39

so, and there's locations they can

33:41

choose from all over the country?

33:43

Yes. Lots of different places. Dare they

33:45

go to Dorchester Prison prison? Oh.

33:48

Are you still doing that one?

33:50

Are you still doing that location

33:52

as a most wanted event? Yeah,

33:54

we are. I think we've got

33:56

a couple of dates lined up

33:58

to be put online. If they

34:01

want to do, Dorchester, have a

34:03

look in about a week's time

34:05

and the new dates will be

34:07

on the website. And if anybody

34:09

goes, please report back to me

34:11

on this podcast because I want

34:13

to know exactly what happened. Jenny,

34:15

you are a star. I love

34:17

you. I'll see you, not this

34:19

Saturday next Saturday, when we're at

34:21

Shrewsby together, screaming like a pair

34:23

of idiots. Lots of love. And

34:25

speak to you soon. Thank you.

34:29

As we wrap up this exploration

34:31

of the history and birth of

34:33

paranormal groups in the UK, I

34:36

hope... We've gained a deeper appreciation

34:38

for how far ghost hunting has

34:40

come and how it's as much

34:43

about us as it is about

34:45

the spirits that may or may

34:47

not roam our historic buildings. These

34:50

groups, be the academic societies or

34:52

informal weekend teams, are united by

34:54

a common thread. The courage to

34:57

confront the unknown and the hope

34:59

that by doing so we might

35:02

learn something profound about life, death,

35:04

and the mysteries in between. Now,

35:06

whether you're a seasoned investigator or

35:09

simply a joyous listener, I encourage

35:11

you to carry that spirit of

35:13

exploration forward, always with respect for

35:16

history and a critical eye for

35:18

evidence. Until next time, stay curious,

35:20

stay respectful, and perhaps keep a

35:23

camera handy. You never know what

35:25

might be lurking in that next

35:27

dimly lit corridor. Sleep tight. Now,

35:33

let's get the answer to

35:35

this week's fact or fiction

35:37

and to remind you it

35:39

was as we were chatting

35:41

all about the history of

35:43

paranormal groups in the UK

35:45

with Jenny Bryant today I

35:47

want to know whether it's

35:49

fact or fiction that the

35:51

paranormal activity surrounding one of

35:53

Britain's original haunted houses, Bawley

35:55

Rectory and Essex, stopped once

35:57

it was demolished in 1945.

35:59

It's claimed all hauntings abruptly

36:01

ceased. However, even without the

36:03

building, occasional reports of apparitions,

36:05

particularly the ghostly none and

36:07

strange lights, continued in the

36:09

area. The land itself still

36:11

stirs fascination among ghost hunters

36:13

and locals alike. Get in

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