How Can the Dems Come Back?

How Can the Dems Come Back?

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0:08

What's up? What's up everybody? Welcome

0:10

to a brand new episode of

0:13

Part of the Problem. I am

0:15

Dave Smith. He is Robbie the

0:17

Fire, Bernstein. We are back from

0:19

up north. How you feeling, Rob,

0:22

being back in the free country

0:24

of America? It's nice being back

0:26

here. It's nice being back here.

0:28

You don't realize how much we

0:30

have until you have to

0:32

see Canada. And where we went

0:35

in St. Catherine's is not necessarily...

0:37

representative of

0:39

the full of Canada. Nice people

0:42

out there though, we did have

0:44

a very nice time. I like,

0:46

it's a, we had a great

0:48

time Buffalo, great time

0:50

in St. Catherine's, it does,

0:53

when we go to Canada, it

0:55

does feel like the audience

0:57

that we draw to our show

1:00

are the best people in

1:02

Canada. So we support those

1:04

people. We'll get them out of there

1:07

before the massive bombing campaign. That's inevitable.

1:09

I told a lot of Canada jokes

1:11

that were doing very well. This one

1:13

got nothing, but I still just think

1:15

it's true of the country is that

1:17

every time I meet Canadians, they're very

1:19

nice people. I don't understand how they

1:21

seem to all come together to forge

1:23

that socialist shittle. Like, there's something

1:25

odd about when Canadians combine. It's like

1:27

a bad Power Rangers or something. I

1:29

know what you mean. I know what

1:32

you mean. Well, there is something. I

1:34

mean, there's got to be a connection.

1:36

I don't have like a fully worked

1:38

out thesis or anything on this, but

1:40

there's got to be some

1:43

connection between, like, socialist, the

1:45

way socialism is sold, and

1:47

taking advantage of, like, people's kindness.

1:49

Because it is always sold as

1:52

like, but don't you just want

1:54

to be a decent person? You know, I

1:56

mean, come on. Like, be good. I mean,

1:58

I was, I don't know but the way

2:00

I don't know if you've seen

2:02

this rub and I haven't been

2:04

like I am I don't pay

2:06

very close attention to like local

2:08

politics in general even when I'm

2:10

talking about like New York City

2:12

but I have kind of been

2:15

paying attention a little bit to

2:17

the the New York City mayor

2:19

race just because Cuomo announced that

2:21

he was running again and that

2:23

you know for obvious reasons right

2:25

like he was such a major

2:27

figure in the whole COVID insanity

2:29

but There's like of the, I'm

2:31

blanking on his name, but of

2:33

the like progressive candidates, the guy

2:35

who's leading is like a democratic

2:37

socialist. And I saw he had

2:39

like an ad for his candidacy

2:41

for mayor. And it's all just

2:43

like, it's all, you know, it's

2:45

like, hey, you know, you guys

2:47

think it's expensive here, right? Why

2:49

don't we just make it free?

2:51

Why don't we say you know

2:53

we got all these slow buses?

2:55

I say we make them faster

2:57

and free Daycare, that's one of

2:59

the biggest costs. You know what?

3:01

No cost for daycare. It really

3:03

is like it's wild to watch

3:05

it where you're like what a

3:07

what a huge advantage it is

3:09

just in terms of like selling

3:11

to Normie's your policies when you

3:13

get to just I mean look

3:15

I'm not saying like he he

3:17

he act but it's like when

3:19

you just he just says It'll

3:21

be no cost. The buses will

3:23

be free. Child care will be

3:25

no cost. And if that's the

3:27

world you're playing in, like if

3:29

the world, the game we're playing

3:31

is that I get to pretend

3:33

that I just have like a

3:35

magic wand that can like poof,

3:37

make things free, and then you're

3:39

just like, why wouldn't we do

3:41

it? Oh, you're saying we shouldn't

3:43

do it? It almost like without

3:45

saying this extra step, it's just

3:47

kind of implied, but it's almost

3:49

like going like... Hey Rob, you

3:51

have a magic wand and you

3:53

won't even wave it to make

3:55

everything free. it does it on

3:57

some level it just plays on

3:59

like i'm a nice guy and

4:01

you're like a bad mean person

4:03

who just doesn't care of course

4:05

that's you know i don't know

4:07

i guess it's it's a little

4:09

frustrating because you're like wouldn't wouldn't

4:11

almost every person like immediately go

4:13

to the question of like wait

4:15

a minute but we can we

4:17

can do that that's an option

4:19

we can just make things not

4:21

cost anything i don't know about

4:23

you but i always thought the

4:26

rent was too damn high I

4:28

mean he made it a shockingly

4:30

long amount of time and then

4:32

like people would it very weird

4:34

with that guy I don't know

4:36

much about him but he did

4:38

it almost everyone knows who that

4:40

guy is I feel like like

4:42

people like quote the line like

4:44

when you said it didn't take

4:46

me a second to be like

4:48

great who are you talking I

4:50

mean in any other context if

4:52

you were talking about like the

4:54

guy who perennial perennially came in

4:56

seventh place in a mayor race.

4:58

I would have no idea who

5:00

you're talking about with that guy.

5:02

You're like, oh, rent is too

5:04

damn high. I ain't gonna bring

5:06

that to rent. Branding for the

5:08

win. What can I say? Jimmy

5:10

McMillan. What is it? Jimmy McMillan.

5:12

78 years old. All right. Well,

5:14

I don't know. I don't know

5:16

if he's still out there. But

5:18

this guy is also complaining about

5:20

the rent being too damn high.

5:22

Anyway, I always just found it.

5:24

And this is true in general.

5:26

to the extent that they borrow

5:28

a little bit from socialism. But

5:30

there is like an interesting thing

5:32

and it's such a like a

5:34

comment on either the intelligence of

5:36

the people who are pushing these

5:38

policies or their perceived intelligence of

5:40

the people of the voters who

5:42

are listening to them push these

5:44

policies. But the idea of being

5:46

like, look. if we're gonna let's

5:48

just say there's a thing that

5:50

that's got to get funded or

5:52

whatever you know for for example

5:54

child care just because that was

5:56

the the comment in this in

5:58

this ad that I saw. So

6:00

like there could theoretically be an

6:02

argument where you go like, okay,

6:04

so there is this service that

6:06

is child care and there's this

6:08

one model where like people do

6:10

it privately. Basically the model is

6:12

that you have to voluntarily come

6:14

to an agreement with the person

6:16

who's going to be charging you

6:18

for is going to be providing

6:20

you the child care. Right? So

6:22

if someone wants to watch your

6:24

kids, then you have to ask

6:26

them how much they charge. If

6:28

they say they charge X, you

6:30

can say, I can't do X,

6:32

but I can do X minus

6:34

10. They go, I can't do

6:36

X minus 10. I could do

6:39

X minus 5. You know what

6:41

I mean? Like that's the model,

6:43

like a free market in childcare.

6:45

The other model is that we

6:47

all, we the government force you

6:49

at the threat of imprisonment to

6:51

send us money. We then take

6:53

that money. We hire the child

6:55

care and you don't have to

6:57

pay for it at that point

6:59

because you've already paid for it

7:01

through us. Okay, now, these are

7:03

two different models and you could

7:05

have an argument about those models

7:07

of which one you think is

7:09

better. Now, when you just describe

7:11

it the way it is, I

7:13

will admit. that the free market

7:15

model already sounds more attractive because

7:17

like already you're like well I

7:19

don't know if I like the

7:21

group with a violent with a

7:23

monopoly on aggressive violence threatening to

7:25

imprison me if I don't fund

7:27

the thing that that seems like

7:29

a worse model but like okay

7:31

those are the two models now

7:33

I'm describing the way they actually

7:35

work but like when is it

7:37

just something like what a mind-fuck

7:39

it is that the people who

7:41

support the forced monopoly model get

7:43

to just describe it as free.

7:45

You just get it. You know,

7:47

there's stuff you want, you just

7:49

get it. Is it like, as

7:51

if, I mean, I know this

7:53

is like the most basic observation,

7:55

but it's like I'm still saying

7:57

it because they're still making this

7:59

claim that it's like, okay, if

8:01

the people doing the child care

8:03

are getting paid at all, then

8:05

it's not free. It's just a

8:07

question of who's paying it and

8:09

where is the funding coming from?

8:11

No one gets to say, no

8:13

cost. Unless we get to a

8:15

point where you can, like either

8:17

through slavery, I mean, I guess

8:19

there'd still be costs associated, right?

8:21

Like that person still has to

8:23

live and eat in order to

8:25

show up for work the next

8:27

day. But either you could enslave

8:29

them and they just work for

8:31

free, or you get into the

8:33

realm of magic. Those are the

8:35

only ways that things don't have

8:37

a cost. So we're saying the

8:39

reason they have socialism in Canada

8:41

is that despite them being kind

8:43

and uppy people, they're rather stupid.

8:45

I'm saying they're really really friendly

8:47

dumb people. Yeah, they're gullible. They're

8:49

gullible but nice up in Canada.

8:52

I guess that's what we learned

8:54

from our one hour excursion over

8:56

the border. I like to consider

8:58

us experts. We went a good

9:00

20 minutes deep into Canada. We

9:02

literally, we went far enough into

9:04

Canada where we could still like

9:06

touch America. Like we were still

9:08

on base the whole time. Anyway,

9:10

it was a lot of fun.

9:12

Oh, and then I should mention

9:14

that we, our next stop is

9:16

Boston, which I'm very excited for.

9:18

We just always, me and me

9:20

and you always have a lot

9:22

of fun up in Boston, we

9:24

always draw great crowds up there.

9:26

So that's one of the best

9:28

comedy towns in the world. So

9:30

very much looking forward to going

9:32

up to Boston. That'll be on

9:34

March 27th through 29th. We'll be

9:36

up at laugh Boston. Comic Dave

9:38

Smith Dave smith.com for those tickets.

9:40

Also, reminder. It's coming up sooner

9:42

than later. In May, I will

9:44

be back at the Soho Forum

9:46

debating immigration in a live Oxford-style

9:48

debate in New York City. Make

9:50

sure you come on out to

9:52

that. Or go to one of

9:54

the other Soho Forum debates because

9:56

they're all excellent. The Soho forum.org

9:58

is the website for that. I

10:00

got dates too. Oh, oh, oh,

10:02

go ahead. I'm going to a

10:04

libertarian party state convention out in

10:06

Iowa in April. I'm also doing

10:08

a steamboat if you want to

10:10

come ski with me and do

10:12

some skiing. You can also email

10:14

me your porches at Rob's Newsroom@gmail.com.

10:16

Put an all that shenanigans together

10:18

and then of course the run

10:20

your mouth podcast. All right well

10:22

that's a that's awesome go make

10:24

sure to go see Rob there

10:26

make sure to go check out

10:28

run your mouth. There's there's a

10:30

couple things on my mind for

10:32

today's show and I guess broadly

10:34

speaking like there's a couple things

10:36

going on in foreign policy related

10:38

that I thought were pretty newsworthy

10:40

events and then there's also you

10:42

know just kind of One of

10:44

the things domestically, I guess that

10:46

is perhaps the most interesting dynamic

10:48

right now, I mean, maybe it's

10:50

number two behind the stuff Trump's

10:52

doing, but it is really interesting

10:54

watching the Democrats trying to grapple

10:56

with the position that they're in.

10:58

This is kind of the topic

11:00

of discussion amongst almost every... a

11:02

person who's either left of center,

11:05

liberal, leftist, everybody kind of in

11:07

the left half of America, whenever

11:09

you see these days, if you

11:11

see a show, whether it's like

11:13

Bill Maher or the Pods Save

11:15

America guys, or just anyone kind

11:17

of nominally on the left, this

11:19

is the talk. It's like, what

11:21

do the Democrats have to do

11:23

to come out of this? And

11:25

it's appropriate. I mean, I've seen...

11:27

different times in my life now

11:29

that I've been around for a

11:31

little while. I've seen times where

11:33

one party was up big and

11:35

the other party was down and

11:37

out. You know, there's a few

11:39

that come to mind. You know,

11:41

there was a, well, when Barack

11:43

Obama first won and won a

11:45

pretty dominant victory, people were saying,

11:47

well, the Republicans have really been

11:49

defeated, you know, at the time...

11:51

George W. Bush was going out

11:53

with the lowest approval ratings for

11:55

an incumbent president Dick Cheney had

11:57

the lowest approval ratings for any

11:59

vice president. then here comes in

12:01

this extremely popular Barack Obama

12:04

had some of the highest

12:06

approval ratings in polling history

12:08

in America and now okay

12:10

it seemed like that party had

12:13

been pretty soundly defeated when

12:15

when Donald Trump won the

12:17

first time people were saying

12:19

the Democrats were down it

12:21

does seem to me that

12:23

this is different in scale

12:25

and kind. than any other

12:27

situation like that. I've never

12:30

really lived through something quite

12:32

like with one of the

12:34

major two parties being as

12:36

devastated as the Democrats are

12:38

right now. As I've said

12:40

before on the show, it's

12:42

to lose your voter base

12:45

and your propaganda apparatus all

12:47

in one election is quite

12:49

a loss. And they've also

12:51

just lost a kind

12:53

of cultural factor. that's

12:55

hard to put into

12:57

words but I guess to say

12:59

it the in the

13:01

simplest terms it's like

13:03

they they made the

13:06

Republicans the cool kids

13:08

and the Democrats kind

13:10

of like the nagging

13:12

carons which is really

13:15

like it is for someone

13:17

my age who was born

13:19

in 1983 it's hard

13:21

to overstate How impossible

13:23

that would have seemed?

13:25

Like the idea that the

13:28

Republicans could ever be the

13:30

cool ones amongst 17-year-olds

13:32

or something like that just seems

13:34

like un- I mean that would

13:37

have been like unthinkable.

13:39

As unthinkable as like, if

13:41

you were like, okay, like if you

13:43

had a bet with someone in like

13:45

the 11th grade or something and you

13:48

were like, I gotta turn someone into

13:50

the coolest kid in school. And I

13:52

was like, all right, you got to

13:54

turn the principal into the coolest kid

13:56

in school. And you'd be like, OK, well,

13:58

that's impossible. That cannot be. done. That was

14:01

making the Republicans the cool guys

14:03

is like on that level. So

14:05

anyway, all of this is going

14:07

on. And while this is happening,

14:09

it's interesting to see everybody kind

14:12

of give their own thoughts on

14:14

what exactly it is that the

14:16

Democrats could do. Some say you

14:18

got to like go harder against

14:20

Trump. Some people say you got

14:22

to abandon the woke stuff. Some people

14:24

say you you got to, you got to,

14:27

you know, get the working class vote

14:29

again. Nobody seems to have

14:31

an actual plan to put into

14:33

action. And so anyway, this is

14:35

kind of just one of the

14:38

things that I've been thinking about.

14:40

And while everyone is talking about

14:42

this, you see like these different wings

14:44

of the Democratic Party

14:46

and, you know, like what their vision.

14:49

for how you're supposed to do this

14:51

as. This, I guess, is leading to

14:53

some of the stuff that we're talking

14:55

about. Now, in this kind of vacuum,

14:57

it does seem like there's different Democrats

14:59

who are kind of like starting to

15:02

make some noise. I still have not

15:04

seen anything yet that I think has

15:06

a chance of being successful. I don't

15:08

know what you do, Rob, if you

15:10

think there's one wing or another or

15:13

one strategy or another that could rise

15:15

back to beat successful, but I'm not

15:17

seeing it seeing it. I think it's

15:19

unbelievable how poorly the Democrats are

15:21

operating right now. The best messengers

15:24

they have are Bernie Sanders and

15:26

Elizabeth Warren. They're not doing

15:28

a particularly good job. Then they

15:30

had that incredibly cringe video with

15:33

Corey Booker that they were all reading

15:35

the exact same script and they're

15:37

like... trying to be edgy for all their

15:40

thing of the dignity of the office. Now

15:42

like they're trying to figure out how to use

15:44

curse words, but they don't know how to,

15:46

like you said, they just don't know how to

15:48

be cool. It doesn't fit their personalities. Also,

15:50

the Democratic senators blocked the

15:53

bill to keep women out of

15:55

men's, I mean, men out of female sports.

15:57

I think the trans issue is such a loser

15:59

for them. and their old guard, you know,

16:01

they're still trying to pitch Ukraine war to

16:03

the end. And then when they're putting out

16:06

social media videos, you got that lady looks like

16:08

a witch, she put out a weird video last

16:10

week, they seem to be just at a total

16:12

weird video last week. They seem to be

16:14

just at a total loss for how to, and

16:17

by the way, the branding for them is easy.

16:19

We're supposed to be the party of the people

16:21

and we're supposed to make sure that you guys

16:23

have good jobs and great jobs and great

16:25

benefits and great benefits, so we're

16:27

going. And to be on that side,

16:30

that they can't not pitch wars. And

16:32

I think as Elon mess, we've said

16:34

it before, has returned freedom to

16:36

the internet. I don't think that

16:39

they have the propaganda tools to

16:41

just try and shame us into,

16:43

if you're not listening to

16:45

us, you're not nice and you

16:47

want to kill grandma. You know,

16:49

you're exactly right, dude. And

16:51

I think really the key is that you

16:54

have to recognize that it's not, the

16:56

way the issue is put out. is like,

16:58

well, what can the Democrats do to

17:00

get the voters back on their

17:02

side? Or what can they do

17:04

to get the working class back

17:06

on their side or something like

17:09

that? But you realize if that

17:11

was just the case, then the

17:13

Democrats would have been operating in

17:15

a different manner for many years

17:17

now. Like if the idea was

17:19

getting enthusiasm and fundraising and votes

17:21

and getting back... Well then, they would

17:23

have been embracing Bernie Sanders back

17:25

in 2016. If the goal was

17:28

to stay relevant and dynamic and,

17:30

and, and, you know, win voters

17:32

in this ever-changing culture. Well, they

17:34

had figures like Bobby Kennedy Jr. or

17:36

Tolsey Gabbard or people like this. Not, they

17:39

ran all of them out. with the exception

17:41

of Bernie Sanders. They attempted to run Bernie

17:43

Sanders out. They just didn't realize that Bernie

17:46

Sanders is such a pathetic loyal dog that

17:48

he was like, I'll just wait, that's cool,

17:50

I'll just wait here in the yard and

17:52

wait till you give me some scraps. I

17:55

don't can't, you know, like, but the real key

17:57

there is like what you said about the deep state.

17:59

The goal isn't. How do we get

18:01

everybody back? How do we

18:03

become popular again? That's actually

18:05

fairly straightforward. The goal is,

18:07

how do we maintain CIA

18:09

control over this party and

18:11

get the agenda of the

18:13

CIA while winning people back? All

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I'm not, I mean, that might sound a

19:23

little kooky or whatever, but like, did

19:25

you see Rob by the way? We didn't talk

19:27

about this on the show at all.

19:29

Did you see who the Democrats have?

19:31

give their official response to the state

19:33

of the union speech? It was Bernie

19:36

Sanders. No, Bernie Sanders gave one, but

19:38

that wasn't their official one. No, Bernie

19:40

Sanders just basically, Bernie Sanders did it

19:42

just like in the same way me

19:44

or you could do it. Like he

19:46

just made one and put it up

19:48

and yes, that was more. It's so

19:50

funny because yes, you think of that

19:52

as the response because yeah, like that's

19:55

actually to some degree what would represent

19:57

Democratic voters. But no, they

19:59

had this chick. but she was a CIA

20:01

officer. She was literally a CIA

20:04

employee. I mean, you know, Rob,

20:06

she's a former BIA employee,

20:08

which is, you know, doesn't really

20:10

exist, by the way. If

20:13

anyone, there's what a lot of

20:15

CIA insiders have said too.

20:17

There's no such thing as

20:19

former CIA agent. No, but

20:21

she goes and gives the, the speech,

20:24

I've tried, hold on. Well,

20:27

I'll find her her name here.

20:29

Where was it? Yeah, it's

20:31

the official democratic

20:33

response. It's the

20:35

she's from Michigan. Yes,

20:37

she's a senator from

20:40

in the chat. I didn't

20:42

just thank you. Thank you.

20:44

So she's a senator in

20:46

Michigan. Now she did, you

20:48

could say, she did, she

20:50

won. Her sentence sees, I think,

20:52

by a very thin margin,

20:54

but it was in a

20:57

state that Trump won. So

20:59

I guess that, you know, that

21:01

at least says, like, well, she

21:04

must have, typically, I'm not saying

21:06

this one to put out the

21:08

cool ad of, look, I can

21:10

drive backwards. I learned all sorts

21:13

of cool shit. I'm not sure.

21:15

I'm not sure. I don't think

21:17

I saw that. on a presidential

21:19

election day where one candidate

21:21

wins if you're from the other

21:23

party and you won that would indicate

21:26

that you must have carried some of

21:28

their votes because that's who came to

21:30

show up so like if Donald Trump

21:32

wins you know 52% of the voter

21:35

whatever well that means 52% of the

21:37

people coming out there voted for Donald

21:39

Trump if you won you must have

21:42

at least won some of his votes

21:44

that's not technically necessarily true because people

21:46

could not vote for president and just

21:48

vote for their senator but it's that's

21:51

generally probably true but the

21:53

woman literally worked for the CIA

21:55

and she comes out and her it gave

21:57

like a cold war speech literally in the

21:59

speech goes, Donald Trump is cozying up

22:01

to Vladimir Putin. Ronald Reagan was president

22:04

when we won the Cold War. If

22:06

Donald Trump was president back then, we

22:08

probably would have lost the Cold War.

22:11

So like that is the CIA's

22:13

conception of how to win back Democratic

22:15

voters is to go, we're Reaganites

22:17

now. Like it's just as if that's

22:19

like, that's where the Democrats, the

22:21

voters are at. But so that's just

22:24

to your point. This is literally what

22:26

they're attempting to do. Well, let's put

22:28

our CIA woman out there. Maybe she'll

22:30

want him back over. And it shows

22:33

you that it's not, again, in the

22:35

same sense that it's not like, hey,

22:37

how could MS NBC get higher ratings?

22:39

How could CNN get higher ratings? Well,

22:42

we all know lots of things

22:44

they could do to get higher

22:46

ratings. That's not really their issue.

22:48

Their issue is, how do we

22:50

keep pushing this agenda and get

22:52

higher ratings? Now that's much trickier

22:54

because the agenda has been rejected.

22:56

You know like we've said before like

22:58

there's a million ways that you could

23:00

figure out how to get the number

23:03

one show in cable news if you

23:05

were unencumbered by what topics you're allowed

23:07

to talk about I mean come on do it

23:09

do it here I got I got a new show

23:12

for you MS NBC it's called the Epstein

23:14

files and every single day this show

23:16

is dedicated to one news story

23:18

and one news story only and

23:20

that is getting to the bottom

23:23

of the Epstein story we are

23:25

going to hey there was a

23:27

pedophile ring that was you know

23:29

with American girls being molested and

23:31

and systematically abused and this involves

23:34

so many of the most powerful

23:36

people in our media in our

23:38

culture she had shady this guy

23:40

Epstein had ties to some country

23:42

in the Middle East as Dan Bongina

23:45

would say we have no idea which

23:47

one but it so okay Do that. We're going

23:49

to interview victims. We're going to interview. We're going

23:51

to get all the people who were around him

23:53

and grill then. We're going to put all the

23:55

best reporting together and every night we're going to

23:58

give you more information about the Jeffrey Epstein. case.

24:00

You telling me there's a chance

24:02

that wouldn't be the number one

24:04

rated show at MSNBC? Do they,

24:06

I mean like the video clips

24:08

would be getting fucking 20 million

24:10

hits online every single day, everyone

24:12

would be driven to, okay they

24:14

could do that, but why can't

24:16

they do that? Because they're not

24:18

just in it for the ratings,

24:20

that would defeat their entire purpose.

24:22

they're there to prop up the

24:24

regime and you know through like

24:26

the deep state or what you

24:28

know like that's what they're there

24:30

to do so they can't go

24:32

after so anyway what's really interesting

24:34

about the democratic situation is that

24:36

like there will be occasionally you

24:38

will see some some people like

24:40

real left wingers who will kind

24:42

of point stuff like this out

24:44

They'd be like, I mean, we

24:46

could be opposed to the military

24:48

industrial complex. That's very popular, you

24:50

know. And they're like, yeah. But

24:52

the whole point is we're trying

24:54

to figure out how we can

24:56

support the military industrial complex. So

24:58

that one doesn't exactly work. Anyway,

25:00

in this absurd vacuum, some of

25:02

the more colorful figures in the

25:04

Democratic Party have been out there

25:06

kind of giving a lesson on...

25:08

in my opinion, what not to

25:10

do. But we've got a few

25:12

of those today. Let's start with,

25:14

let's do the Elon Omar one

25:16

first. Rob, I think you haven't

25:18

seen this yet. But I did

25:20

find this to be just pretty,

25:22

pretty damn entertaining. We recently had

25:24

when you were Republican colleagues branding

25:26

Gil on the show. He said

25:28

that America would be better off

25:30

if you were arrested and deported.

25:32

He also said that. there was

25:34

audio of you advising what he

25:37

said or illegal immigrants here from

25:39

Somalia on how to abate ice

25:41

detection. I want you to respond

25:43

to that. Yeah, I mean, again,

25:45

you know, these are people who

25:47

have really stopped caring about our

25:49

institutions, really stopped caring about our

25:51

constitution. We know that folks who

25:53

are here, whether they are documented

25:55

or undocumented. We know whether you

25:57

are a permanent resident or you're

25:59

a citizen. and it is really

26:01

important for people to know those

26:03

rights. I know that it is

26:05

red meat for his base that

26:07

are synophobic and racist to say

26:09

to them that I am going

26:11

to find a way to arrest

26:13

and deport a member of Congress

26:15

who he thinks. is doing something

26:17

wrong when I am doing the

26:19

right thing in trying to make

26:21

sure everybody that is within my

26:23

constituency has the resources and the

26:25

information that they need. And she

26:27

was democratically elected by members by

26:29

the people in her district. Yes,

26:31

of course. But just to follow

26:33

up very quickly, just be clear,

26:35

you're not calling all his base

26:37

xenophobic and racist, right? Well, I

26:39

mean, he is feeding to something.

26:41

He has a petition out. He's

26:43

getting donations. That's what this is

26:45

all about. He knows he can't

26:47

deport me. There is no grounds

26:49

for my arrest. So this information

26:51

is only being put out there

26:53

by him for a reason. And

26:55

that reason is because he has

26:57

a base that feeds off of

26:59

that. Congresswoman, thanks so much for

27:01

coming in. I appreciate you all

27:03

for appreciating. Is there something? Rob,

27:05

that's it. We're done with the

27:07

video, but isn't there something amazing?

27:09

I know I like to point

27:11

this out all the time because

27:13

I do think it's like a

27:15

subtle thing that sometimes people don't

27:17

even notice. But it's now again,

27:19

of course, most people do or

27:21

they at least know it on

27:23

some level. But when I say

27:25

they don't notice, they may not

27:27

notice the tactic. They notice overall

27:29

that CNN is completely. like corrupting

27:31

on one side of the issue.

27:33

But like, you know how we,

27:35

we've talked about this a lot

27:37

before, whenever they're like, if they're

27:39

interviewing Donald Trump, they'll, or JD

27:41

Vance, or someone like that, they'll

27:43

do this thing where like, you

27:45

say something, I ask you your

27:48

opinion, you give the answer to

27:50

the question, and then before I

27:52

start the next question, I just

27:54

go, we already know that that's

27:56

not true. Moving on, do you

27:58

know... You know what I mean?

28:00

Like they don't even give you

28:02

a chance to get back. They're

28:04

just like, I'll be, but then

28:06

what does Wolf Blitzer do when

28:08

he's got, he's got Elon Omar

28:10

here? She just says her piece

28:12

and then he's supposed to be

28:14

playing neutral journalist, but then he

28:16

just turns over and goes, and

28:18

she was elected by her constituents.

28:20

As if that ever needs to

28:22

be pointed out about a Congress

28:24

person. Yes, that is isn't that

28:26

the default assumption of anybody who's

28:28

in the member is a member

28:30

of Congress that they won an

28:32

election to get there? But yet

28:34

he just turns over to go,

28:36

she got and she got votes

28:38

Saying that like what? Anyway, that's

28:40

just interesting. But here's a strategy

28:42

that maybe the Democrats could pursue.

28:44

How about this? Anybody who's who

28:46

objects to her in her words

28:48

giving resources? to illegal immigrants so

28:50

that they can evade ICE must

28:52

be a racist. There's one strategy.

28:54

It's like, what? By the way,

28:56

as I've gone through the polls,

28:58

you know, before, it's not, it

29:00

is, it was a 50-50 issue

29:02

amongst democratic voters, whether they support

29:04

mass deportations. Super majorities of the

29:06

American people support it. So she's

29:08

talking about... 50% of Democratic voters.

29:10

Like 50% of the people of

29:12

the minority of the American voters

29:14

who even still voted Kamala Harris.

29:16

50% of them, I guess, are

29:18

xenophobic racists, according to Elon Omar.

29:20

So like, just saying, of all

29:22

the strategies, this one doesn't seem

29:24

to be the best. But maybe

29:26

I'm missing something, Rob. What do

29:28

you think? Maybe I'm just racist.

29:30

I don't think you're missing much.

29:32

And it's incredible how. Poorly she

29:34

speaks the English language for being

29:36

a Congress lady and I she's

29:38

not from Jamaica She's almost talking

29:40

like in dress like a Jamaican

29:42

lady that gets a little bit

29:44

confusing But uh yeah, I don't

29:46

think I don't think election to

29:48

individuals who don't like everyone pouring

29:50

over the border and wanting to

29:52

control who's in the country and

29:54

screaming at them that they're racist

29:57

is a very good way of

29:59

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31:17

isn't it wild too that it's

31:19

like if you're if you are

31:21

making this argument and like I

31:23

you know I I'm doing a

31:25

debate on immigration at the Soho

31:27

Forum as I mentioned coming up

31:29

soon and maybe some of this

31:31

stuff will come up there but

31:33

It does seem to me that

31:35

unless you're arguing four open borders,

31:37

like unless you're taking a pure,

31:39

like a pure position of there

31:41

should be absolutely zero restrictions on

31:43

anyone in the world if they

31:45

want to come here. If you're

31:47

not, which is, look, there are

31:49

some people. who take that position,

31:51

I, you know, vehemently disagree with

31:53

it. It is wildly unpopular. I

31:55

don't know, you know, again, like,

31:57

I haven't seen, I've tried to

31:59

find numbers on, like, what percentage

32:01

of the American people support open

32:03

borders? And the truth is that

32:06

it is so unpopular that no

32:08

one ever asks the question. And

32:10

I look at all these immigration

32:12

polls, and it's very hard. I

32:14

found one ever. that I think

32:16

it got like 4% and this

32:18

was from many years ago the

32:20

truth they never even asked that

32:22

question they ask like would you

32:24

like higher levels of immigration or

32:26

lower levels of immigration do you

32:28

support mass deportations or only deportations

32:30

of violent criminals do it like

32:32

these are the questions asked because

32:34

I at this point when super

32:36

majorities you know support mass deportations

32:38

I really doubt you could get

32:40

2% of people to say that

32:42

they support zero restrictions. But if

32:44

you want to make that argument,

32:46

whether people support it or not,

32:48

you could make the argument. Again,

32:50

I don't agree with that, but

32:52

you could make the argument. But

32:54

short of that, short of arguing

32:56

that there should be zero restrictions,

32:58

I don't see how you get

33:00

to go on your moral high

33:02

horse here of like, you're a

33:04

racist xenophobic if you think that

33:06

people who came here illegally should

33:08

be forced to leave. It's like,

33:10

well, then that's the whole, that's

33:12

the whole thing. is like if

33:14

you believe in any immigration restrictions

33:16

well then obviously at some point

33:18

you got to restrict people right

33:20

even if you were to say

33:22

that you know Americans we take

33:24

in more immigrants than anywhere in

33:26

the world both legally and illegally

33:28

but I think we should take

33:30

in a lot more you know

33:32

like whatever the exact numbers were

33:34

with under Joe Biden were taking

33:36

in like a million legal immigrants

33:38

a year and then they were

33:40

having hundreds of thousands you know

33:42

to millions pour in every month

33:44

we don't exactly know the numbers

33:46

but let's just say you were

33:48

like I think the number should

33:50

be way higher I think we

33:52

should take in 10 million immigrants

33:54

legally every year. It's like, okay,

33:56

well, then those 10 million come

33:58

and what happens when more come

34:00

on top of that? I mean,

34:02

unless you're just for open borders,

34:04

you'd have to believe in restrictions

34:06

at some point. Okay, then they

34:08

have to be restricted. And then,

34:10

but then to turn around and

34:12

say, that makes you racist or

34:15

xenophobic or something, it's like, is

34:17

your argument that if anybody in

34:19

America does not believe that anyone

34:21

in the world has a right

34:23

to come here, whether they follow

34:25

our laws or don't. And if

34:27

you don't believe that you're a

34:29

bad person somehow, again, the reason

34:31

I just mentioned this is just

34:33

because it's like you see these

34:35

Democrats struggling to figure out how

34:37

to deal with this moment. And

34:39

then it's almost like at least

34:41

one of them, not that she's

34:43

a representative of all of the

34:45

Democratic establishment. She's certainly not. But

34:47

you have one of them out

34:49

here who's like, hey, here's my

34:51

idea. Let's lean into this very

34:53

popular policy and say that you

34:55

are an evil person if you

34:57

support it. It's just wild to

34:59

think that anyone would even like

35:01

anyone in the game of politics

35:03

would think that this is something

35:05

you could say out loud. But

35:07

of course when you do that

35:09

you can count on Wolfblitzer to

35:11

nod along and remind everybody that

35:13

you were elected. Also when she

35:15

says that illegal immigrants have constitutional

35:17

rights. I don't think it's a

35:19

constitutional right to not be deported.

35:21

They might have constitutional rights of

35:23

not being like just a legally

35:25

held in prisons and definitely. Sure.

35:27

Yeah, no, look, well, right, yeah,

35:29

it's like it's not, yeah, you

35:31

can't torture them or beat them

35:33

over the head with the club.

35:35

Sure, like there are, they still

35:37

do have like human rights, but

35:39

they do not, the whole point

35:41

is they do not have the

35:43

right to be here. And that's

35:45

a very different thing. That's a

35:47

very different claim. And I'm sure

35:49

all of us, I know for

35:51

a fact, me and you support

35:53

this, right? But it's true that

35:55

anybody, and the Constitution is clear

35:57

about this, that anybody who's here,

35:59

any U.S. persons, any person who

36:01

is in the United States of

36:03

America has rights, meaning like if

36:05

they were charged with murder tomorrow,

36:07

okay, well they get a lawyer and they

36:10

get a day in court and they get

36:12

to put up a defense and call witnesses

36:14

and face their accuser and all

36:16

of those things. You know what

36:18

I mean? What? Face your accuser

36:20

and murder? You understand what I'm

36:22

saying. But I'm just saying, like

36:24

they have basic human rights. Sure.

36:26

Like they, we can't just... Give them

36:29

the electric chair or throw them in

36:31

jail for life without a trial because

36:33

they're not US citizens. Sure, they have

36:35

rights. But that isn't the question. The

36:37

question is, do they have the right

36:39

to be here? Do we have the

36:41

right to say, hey, you came in

36:43

here illegally, you have to leave and

36:45

get back in line if you want

36:47

to come in here? And how should

36:49

we feel about a sitting member of

36:51

Congress who is going out of her

36:53

way to obstruct the law and the

36:55

new administration implementing this legal and very

36:57

popular policy? That's the question

36:59

that's relevant. Again, they

37:01

don't want to answer that.

37:04

And look, CNN seems

37:06

happy to go down with the

37:08

ship, too. The other Democrat who

37:11

has seemingly kind of

37:13

emerged is this, I'm blanking

37:15

on her name, but here,

37:17

let's play the next clip

37:19

that we have here. Do

37:27

you have the next one, Mike? There

37:29

we go. It is not a criminal violation

37:32

to enter the country illegally. It's

37:34

not a criminal, it's crime, it's

37:36

not a crime, which is why

37:38

they're so frustrated because they really

37:40

want our local law enforcement to

37:42

go out and round up people

37:45

when they could be looking out

37:47

for the murderers and the sexual

37:49

abusers as well as the robbers.

37:51

They want them to go and

37:53

round people up on civil accusations.

37:55

And so that. It is not

37:57

a criminal violation to incident. All right.

38:00

Legally, all right, so this is

38:02

a All right, let's stop that

38:04

one So this is the other

38:06

angle that I guess they could

38:08

go with that it's not We

38:10

we should only be deporting the

38:13

criminals and we shouldn't be rounding

38:15

up other people. I don't know

38:17

Rob. What do you think? No,

38:19

I think this is worse than

38:21

that because she's saying it's not

38:23

a crime for them to have

38:25

entered illegal. That's just that's not

38:27

true Yeah, that's just false. Now

38:29

if you want to make, if

38:31

you want to make the argument

38:33

of, hey, I'd rather use our

38:35

law enforcement for policing crime than

38:37

wasting it on immigrants that have

38:39

come in illegally, but have otherwise

38:42

been peaceful and actually an asset

38:44

to our community, you can make

38:46

that argument. Yeah, you could say,

38:48

hey, why are we wasting federal

38:50

resources on people that even though

38:52

they came here illegally are actually

38:54

making a meaningful contribution? You can

38:56

go argue that. And that might

38:58

even be what she's trying to

39:00

say. But instead, she's just lying

39:02

and is mistaken when she says

39:04

that when they came into the

39:06

country illegally, they didn't commit a

39:08

crime. That's not English. What does

39:11

that mean? How do you come

39:13

into the country illegally without committing

39:15

a crime? Yes, yes. But right

39:17

to your point, I mean look

39:19

like first of all I don't

39:21

even disagree necessarily But like look

39:23

there really should be an order

39:25

of operations if you're talking about

39:27

deportations and and I've all as

39:29

I've always said The the first

39:31

most important thing was stemming the

39:33

flow of illegal migrants coming to

39:35

this country which seemed Donald Trump

39:37

seems to actually be correct in

39:39

what he said about his state

39:42

of the union, which is turns

39:44

out just meaning business about it

39:46

pretty much takes care of amazing

39:48

how much of that is a

39:50

result of just who's sitting in

39:52

the Oval Office and what is

39:54

their messaging sound like. Which you

39:56

know I guess kind of make

39:58

sense in hindsight but that it's

40:00

like you just it's quite a

40:02

journey to go on and people

40:04

aren't going to do it if

40:06

they think they're just going to

40:08

get turned away when they get

40:11

there. And so when Joe Biden's

40:13

in you have record high illegal

40:15

crossings when Trump's in there you

40:17

have record low. Pretty incredible juxtaposition

40:19

there. But if you want to

40:21

argue like, hey, we should go

40:23

after the violent criminals first, I

40:25

don't think you're going to get

40:27

much of an argument out of

40:29

me and you on that. But

40:31

the thing is like, again, this

40:33

almost it becomes more of like

40:35

a philosophical conversation when you're just

40:37

saying like, okay, fine. But then

40:40

like, but listen, do the people

40:42

who illegally came into our country,

40:44

do they have the right to

40:46

not be kicked out? And I

40:48

don't really see. a compelling argument

40:50

that they don't. Like, you know,

40:52

it's like, no, you don't, like,

40:54

look, there are places you don't

40:56

have a right to be. And

40:58

like, in a libertarian sense, this

41:00

is like, essentially, in pure libertarian

41:02

theory, right? You'd be like, okay,

41:04

there are basically two types of

41:06

people or maybe, you could say

41:09

three types of people who enter

41:11

property, okay? There are the people

41:13

who own that property. and they

41:15

can enter at any time they

41:17

want to, then there are the

41:19

people who are invited onto that

41:21

property and they can enter it

41:23

as at the owner of the

41:25

property as discretion. And then there

41:27

are people who are not invited

41:29

onto that property who enter it

41:31

anyway. And that is known as

41:33

trespassing. And trespassers can be removed

41:35

at the owner's discretion. And so

41:38

like I just don't understand exactly

41:40

why that theory doesn't scale. You

41:42

know like why why that shouldn't

41:44

ultimately scale up to a nation?

41:46

And that if there are people

41:48

who were not invited by the

41:50

domestic population who came in against

41:52

the rules, why is it exactly

41:54

that they just cannot be removed?

41:56

It's an interesting, when you really

41:58

think about it, Rob, obviously without

42:00

just getting the detail of like

42:02

the criminality of illegal border crossing

42:04

wrong, really what the implication from

42:07

this view is that if you

42:09

ever make it here, no matter

42:11

how you made it. This should

42:13

be home base. You should be

42:15

safe. Like in a game of

42:17

freeze tag. You know, can't get

42:19

me now. I'm on base. And

42:21

that is just nutty. It makes

42:23

absolutely no sense. And it is

42:25

so distant from where the American

42:27

people are on this issue at

42:29

the moment. Yeah, it just seems

42:31

like the failure of the Democratic

42:33

branding across the board. Like I

42:36

said, just last week, they're defending

42:38

trans people in female sports. and

42:40

here you have another issue that

42:42

the American population would like to

42:44

get cleaned up and nope they

42:46

would they're still willing to defend

42:48

that we need to have humanity

42:50

and so therefore all of these

42:52

illegal immigrants should be allowed to

42:54

stay and also we need to

42:56

have compassion on Ukraine and we

42:58

need to continue to support that

43:00

war so that more of their

43:02

people can die and by the

43:05

way they got low-hanging fruit of

43:07

just go challenged Donald Trump on

43:09

the tariffs and that we got

43:11

a weak economy and he's gonna

43:13

cause a recession for all of

43:15

the people that are looking to

43:17

have things be cheaper. You got

43:19

some winning cards, go play those.

43:21

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think, honestly,

43:23

the Democrats are in a situation

43:25

now where it's in order for

43:27

them to actually play cards that

43:29

are going to win. They kind

43:31

of, and this is what, it's

43:34

the kind of the nature of

43:36

these things, they actually need Trump

43:38

to make a mistake and a

43:40

really big one. Like, they kind

43:42

of can't... You know, it's like

43:44

that's a challenge in politics, I

43:46

understand, but... But you've just, they

43:48

have boy who cried wolfed themselves

43:50

into a corner. They can't just,

43:52

they can't pretend that something is

43:54

a huge outrage if it isn't

43:56

because they've just, like that card

43:58

has been played. And even if

44:00

Donald Trump does say something, that's

44:03

fairly outrageous. They can't make a

44:05

big outrage of it because it's

44:07

like, oh, you do that with

44:09

everything he says. So it doesn't

44:11

matter. You just, you have no,

44:13

you have no currency in this

44:15

exchange anymore. you're going to have

44:17

to wait for him to really

44:19

fuck up. You're going to have

44:21

to hope that he really blows

44:23

it. And so maybe your strategy

44:25

could be to try to lure

44:27

him into making a really bad

44:29

decision and then exploit that. But

44:32

that seems to me to be

44:34

their hope that he can really

44:36

he really fucks up and then

44:38

they can be like, oh shit,

44:40

this is a god damn disaster

44:42

and we wipe our hands of

44:44

it because we were against it

44:46

or something like that. But I

44:48

just don't think like... The, look,

44:50

you can, they can hope that

44:52

if Trump proceeds with mass deportations,

44:54

the implementation of that is really

44:56

ugly and brutal, and people are

44:58

like, shit, I just can't support

45:00

this. And then they could maybe,

45:03

but, but to just try to

45:05

get ahead of the issue when

45:07

Donald Trump, because again, look, again,

45:09

leaving aside like all the, you

45:11

know, aspects of politics and how

45:13

Trump actually governed compared to how

45:15

he, how his rhetoric is rhetoric

45:17

is. The bottom line is that

45:19

in the perception of the American

45:21

people and somewhat fairly, Donald Trump

45:23

was saying he wanted to build

45:25

a wall back in 2016. Donald

45:27

Trump was saying these people shouldn't

45:29

be let in back then. And

45:32

now you're going to bitch and

45:34

moan that after we let all

45:36

those people in, that some of

45:38

them are getting kicked out. But

45:40

Donald Trump's position was never, none

45:42

of them should have been here

45:44

to begin with. And so he

45:46

can almost play in this way

45:48

that like, yeah, it is unfortunate.

45:50

You know, the borders are, what's

45:52

his name? I'm blank and honest.

45:54

Horriman, yeah, Harbin, Tom, whatever. You

45:56

know, even he said, even the

45:58

most tough talking. immigration hawk

46:01

in the nation. He said at one point,

46:03

he goes, yeah, it's tragic that we have

46:05

to do this. He goes, it's a tragic,

46:07

this is how, this is why it's so

46:09

bad when you don't have a border. Like,

46:11

this is why it's so bad when

46:13

you let people flood in illegally by

46:16

the millions, because now we got around

46:18

people up and kick him out. And

46:20

I gotta say that to me, when I

46:22

heard him say that I go, that is

46:24

a winning kind of compelling message. You know,

46:26

that it's like yeah. That's right. We

46:28

quite literally in this case have to

46:30

clean up the policies of the previous

46:32

administration and it sure does suck that

46:34

that falls on us to have to

46:36

do. There's something about that that I

46:39

thought was like that's kind of hard

46:41

to argue with because otherwise if you

46:43

don't accept that then you no matter

46:45

how much you're against the illegal immigration

46:47

or you could say you're against it

46:49

your position is that once it happens

46:51

we just have to accept it. Once

46:53

it happens, it's like, okay, the

46:56

demographic makeup of our nation has

46:58

been changed by the last administration

47:00

and we cannot change that. We

47:02

have to accept that going forward.

47:04

And that's going to be a tough sell.

47:06

That's going to be a very tough

47:08

thing to convince anyone of, because

47:10

it would just be like, well, no, we

47:13

don't. I mean, we have the legal

47:15

tools to deal with this. So why

47:17

is it that you're just asserting it's

47:19

incumbent amongst us to just accept that

47:21

now? And I don't, that just doesn't make

47:23

sense to me. In the same way

47:25

that it never made sense to me,

47:28

that if there is a giant caravan

47:30

of people coming from South America, that

47:32

are just uninvited people, that

47:34

are not coming in through the

47:36

legal process of our immigration system,

47:39

but they're just coming here, why is

47:41

it that America has to accept

47:43

them? It just doesn't make sense

47:45

to me. It's like it's not it's like

47:48

what what under what obligation is

47:50

the principle that America belongs to

47:52

everybody in the world equally because

47:54

if that's your principle and yet

47:57

only American citizens can vote

47:59

in elections the most part, it

48:01

seems that you're going to lose

48:03

elections to anybody who says, I

48:06

think America belongs to the American

48:08

people, not the world equally, which

48:11

is, by the way, essentially the

48:13

core of Trump's message since 2016.

48:15

That's the reason why he's been

48:18

president twice. He's won two out

48:20

of three elections, three out of

48:23

three if you ask Trump. I'm

48:25

not sure I'm with them on

48:27

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49:51

right, we got one more video

49:54

here, you want to play that

49:56

one? I'm

50:03

All right, Rob. Well,

50:06

I started the show

50:08

saying that Democrats are

50:11

searching for their way

50:13

to get out of

50:16

this hole, and I

50:18

think they found it.

50:21

So there we go.

50:23

That's going to turn

50:26

people around, right? Jesus

50:29

Christ. I think not only they

50:31

floundering on all the policies, they

50:33

don't have a good salesperson for

50:35

it, and whatever marketing companies they're

50:37

overspending money with, as you saw

50:39

with Kamala Harris, I think she

50:41

ended up her camp, she spent

50:43

the most money ever, and then

50:45

still ended up in debt, and

50:48

in part because they spent a

50:50

ton of money on television advertising

50:52

who was even watching that. And

50:54

so whoever behind the scenes is

50:56

going, oh, well, this will be

50:58

fun. This is how we get

51:00

the kids back on her back

51:02

on her. It's with these goofy

51:04

TikTok videos because they're looking at

51:06

Trump and Trump just has that

51:08

cool factor that they tried to

51:10

wind him out of office with

51:12

the dignity dignity dignity as if

51:14

jumping in front of a camera

51:16

like a I don't know a

51:18

fourth grader could come up with

51:20

something more creative than that and

51:22

probably did on a school project

51:24

for TikTok. This is that they're

51:26

just floundering. They're just trying to

51:28

figure out how do we sell

51:30

our message and apparently being the

51:32

adults in the adults in the

51:34

room includes jumping around and putting

51:36

a... What is that a tech

51:38

and tag song? I don't even

51:40

know, but it's terrible. Yeah, it's

51:42

also like, isn't it funny? Because

51:45

look, 2016, Smash Bros., like Swar's

51:47

a bigger nerd than us. Swar's

51:49

got, you really should have waited

51:51

like at least 30 seconds, so

51:53

it seems like you Google that.

51:55

There's something funny, because like, oh,

51:57

okay, it's eight years. a little

51:59

over eight years since Donald Trump

52:01

won the his first presidential election

52:03

in 2016 and okay eight years

52:05

especially in our current political environment

52:07

is a fairly long period of

52:09

time, you know, in the 24-hour

52:11

news cycle or whatever, and a

52:13

lot of stuff's happened since then.

52:15

But it's kind of wild when

52:17

you zoom out that so much

52:19

of the criticism of Donald Trump

52:21

when he first came on the

52:23

scene was that he lacks decorum.

52:25

He's not serious. This is kind

52:27

of immature. This isn't how important

52:29

people are supposed to speak. And

52:31

then it's like, you just get...

52:33

So quickly to a point where

52:35

it's like, what are you guys

52:37

doing? Like this does it seems

52:39

like it's like an imitation of

52:42

what 20 year olds do on

52:44

TikTok or something like that like

52:46

this is arm and it's also

52:48

on top of that just so

52:50

unappealing this kind of like serious

52:52

women in pantsuits doing cringy fucking

52:54

like what what world are you

52:56

living in like it? It's amazing

52:58

that somehow the Democrats managed to

53:00

hand Donald Trump, the adult in

53:02

the room, persona. You know what

53:04

I mean? Like somehow he actually

53:06

does, and this was the case,

53:08

it was one of the things

53:10

that was so startling about this

53:12

last election, was that Donald Trump,

53:14

when compared to senile Joe Biden

53:16

or cackling Kamala Harris, seemed like

53:18

the serious alternative. Like at least

53:20

this guy is here and he

53:22

means business. and he's got a

53:24

little bit of an agenda and

53:26

he's got some thoughts of his

53:28

own and it's not just whatever

53:30

some big corporate donor told them

53:32

to say or whatever the popular

53:34

thing at the moment is like

53:37

he's got some ideas that just

53:39

seems more serious than anything that

53:41

the democrats are putting up against

53:43

him but my god i just

53:45

i it's hard it's generally hard

53:47

to even put into words how

53:49

unappealing that video is there's just

53:51

like a disgust impulse impulse impulse

53:53

that comes from watching that. They're

53:55

like, what the fuck are you

53:57

ladies doing? Like, what drugs are

53:59

you on? that you thought this

54:01

might resonate with anyone? It seems

54:03

like something that you'd like, like,

54:05

you're like adult children would be

54:07

like digging through their parents' stuff

54:09

and find a video from college

54:11

when they did something like that

54:13

and you go like a day,

54:15

the whole family laughs at it

54:17

and they're like, yeah, it's pretty

54:19

embarrassing in hindsight, but we were

54:21

20, you know, and it seemed

54:23

cool at the time. There's sitting

54:25

members of Congress are doing this?

54:27

I don't think it's gonna work.

54:30

I can't quite take what experience this

54:33

was or what this arc type is,

54:35

but I remember I'm going to call

54:37

them the pedophile moms that instead of

54:39

working jobs like to hang out at

54:41

the school for the school plays or

54:43

the school pictures, and even as like

54:45

a third grader, they'd come up with

54:48

some idea and you'd be like, yeah,

54:50

I'm not doing that. That's terrible. That's

54:52

what this video feels like. Yes, that

54:54

is a very good way to put

54:56

out. Yeah, the worst idea from the

54:58

theater kid mom. that did not go

55:01

that route and is now, you know,

55:03

doesn't work and shows up to the

55:05

school to volunteer for these things and

55:07

just has the worst idea so she

55:09

could have her one moment in the

55:11

director chair with three third graders. But

55:13

even those kids are smart enough to

55:16

be like, oh, this lady sucks. I

55:18

don't want to do that. It's like

55:20

the thing like when you're a third

55:22

grader and you have no real power.

55:24

But it's like the thing that one

55:26

of the like moms would suggest where

55:28

you'd be like, I will run away.

55:31

Listen, I will run away. Like, if

55:33

you make me do this, I swear

55:35

I will run away, I will go

55:37

on hunger strike, I will run away,

55:39

and I will never go to school

55:41

again. I cannot be seen doing this.

55:43

And they're like, no, come on, it's

55:46

cute. And you're like, you don't get

55:48

it. I cannot be seen doing this.

55:50

Like, it's genuinely that. That's where the

55:52

Democrats are at. It's look like, the

55:54

interesting thing here, right, right, right, is

55:56

that in order for the Democrats to

55:59

survive. in order for them to have

56:01

political success in the future. You know,

56:03

it's hard to predict the future. And

56:05

the truth is that nobody, Donald Trump

56:07

is not going to run again, as

56:09

scared as the Democrats are. This is

56:11

his last term. There is nobody in

56:14

line. who has what Donald Trump has.

56:16

Now we'll see what happens over the

56:18

next few years. J.D. Vance has obviously

56:20

risen tremendously in prominence. He is the

56:22

sitting vice president now and he's doing

56:24

a good job in moments like the

56:26

moment with Salinsky and moments like with

56:29

Dana Bash, where he's like showing that

56:31

he can kind of, I can go

56:33

to war with the people who you

56:35

think of as the other side. But

56:37

he's not Donald Trump. You know he

56:39

has never demonstrated that he has a

56:41

cult of personality following the way Donald

56:44

Trump does. He's never demonstrated that he

56:46

has tens of millions of people who

56:48

will go to war for him the

56:50

way Donald Trump has. Okay so there's

56:52

that. Someone else has to rise up

56:54

on the Republican side as well. But

56:57

it seems to me that almost what

56:59

the Democrats need is to some degree

57:01

their own version of Trump. And what

57:03

I mean by that is not that

57:05

they have to be anything like Donald

57:07

Trump. In fact... That is the complete

57:09

wrong mentality. I think that's the mentality

57:12

that a lot of Democrats are almost

57:14

like going with here. We got to

57:16

find someone like that. It's like the

57:18

day after the election they go, we

57:20

need our own Joe Rogan. We need

57:22

our own Donald Trump. That's not how

57:24

it works. Joe Rogan didn't become Joe

57:27

Rogan by trying to be anyone else's

57:29

thing. You know what I mean? It

57:31

wasn't like he was going, hey, we

57:33

need the podcast version of Dan Rather.

57:35

You know like one of the things

57:37

I was thinking of earlier is something

57:39

you said that just reminded me of

57:42

that but do you remember the when

57:44

Elizabeth Warren was doing that that video

57:46

in her living room and she's drinking

57:48

the beer but she drinks it in

57:50

such a weird way that you can

57:52

tell she does not usually have a

57:55

bottle of beer but like she's trying

57:57

to do the like and it's it's

57:59

like that's humor with the hamburgers when

58:01

it was there that he eats lizard

58:03

food and he's never cooked a burger

58:05

in his whole life. Yeah it was

58:07

like human just enjoying Memorial Day like

58:10

the rest of you because well it's

58:12

it was a funny thing with the

58:14

grill that's off. Well it's it's that

58:16

it's not just that the grill was

58:18

off but it's that there was there

58:20

was cheese over the raw patties and

58:22

you're like who's no one who's ever

58:25

made a burger. ever put a slice

58:27

of cheese over a raw paddy? Like

58:29

that's just not how it's done. It's

58:31

a little intricacy, I guess, if you've

58:33

never made a burger, it might take

58:35

you a minute to be like, oh,

58:37

okay, yeah, that makes sense. But like,

58:40

that's just not how it, you know?

58:42

And so there's little, but the whole

58:44

thing is that it's like, their mentality

58:46

is so off, because they're so phony.

58:48

So they're like, even Elizabeth Warren drinking

58:50

drinking the beer. after work. And that

58:53

is true, right? Like it is true

58:55

that beer is popular amongst the working

58:57

class. But look, Donald Trump just carried

58:59

the working class vote and he's never

59:01

had a beer. And in fact, he'll

59:03

openly say I've never had a drink

59:05

in my life. That is not most

59:08

Americans experience, but it really is Donald

59:10

Trump's experience. And so when he says

59:12

that it just comes off as authentic,

59:14

it's like, yeah, my older brother, who

59:16

I looked up to, killed himself with

59:18

alcohol. And I was just like, I'm

59:20

never gonna drink alcohol. And then all

59:23

of a sudden, you're not just like

59:25

trying to do the thing that is

59:27

what they do. But you were just,

59:29

you're, and then it's kind of like,

59:31

oh shit, that's an interesting part of

59:33

Donald Trump. Now it doesn't mean that

59:35

that, you know, working class guy who

59:38

enjoys a cold beer after work is

59:40

going to stop having a beer. but

59:42

it also it was completely unnecessary for

59:44

that so so anyway the point is

59:46

just that

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