Empathic Distress with Josh Gondelman

Empathic Distress with Josh Gondelman

Released Wednesday, 15th January 2025
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Empathic Distress with Josh Gondelman

Wednesday, 15th January 2025
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Were you here for the time

0:02

that Molly broke my computer? I

0:04

was working on my laptop and

0:06

on my lap and I left

0:08

the room and I came back

0:10

and the laptop screen is,

0:12

you know, frisking. I can't figure

0:14

out what's wrong, whatever. I take

0:16

it to the apple store and

0:19

the woman opens it up and

0:21

she goes, do you have cats?

0:23

And I said, yeah. And she goes,

0:25

and she points at the upper

0:27

corner. of the laptop and

0:29

there's like a little

0:31

tooth indentation. Oh

0:33

gosh, it had been nibbled?

0:35

And I was like, oh my gosh,

0:37

she said, yeah, they've, you

0:40

know, their bite per square inch

0:42

is really like the PSI or

0:44

whatever for a cat bite is

0:47

really strong. So they break right

0:49

through. And I was like, is

0:51

there anything I can do about

0:54

this? And the guy goes,

0:56

don't have cats? Hi, I'm

0:58

Monomeray Cox. This is Another

1:00

Day, a show about getting through

1:02

another day. I am one post

1:04

and I have a permanent semi-guest

1:07

host that will come up with

1:09

a name for what that is

1:11

at some point. I guess co-host,

1:13

guest co-hosts. I think I'm coming

1:16

in before you into dope,

1:18

who cares who I am,

1:20

don't matter. I think we'd

1:22

settled on guest co-host in

1:24

residence. That's true. But I

1:27

did love. permanent temporary guest

1:29

co-host. There's a cat for

1:31

people just listening. There's a

1:33

cat causing some havoc in

1:36

Anna's place of recording and

1:38

then a dog being very

1:41

mellow. The cat was knocking

1:43

some stuff over up on a

1:45

shelf, which is classic cat

1:47

behavior. It is classic and

1:49

I am able to be

1:51

okay about it because... It's part

1:54

of what you get when you get

1:56

a cat is just occasional reminders of

1:58

powerlessness like as a person in recovery

2:00

like what a beautiful

2:02

what a beautiful way to

2:05

describe a cat knocking all

2:07

your shit over where you're

2:10

like this is like surrendering

2:12

to a higher power oh I mean my

2:14

one cat Molly she believes she

2:17

is my higher power and by

2:19

some standard she is it's

2:21

good some people in a

2:23

are like it's the doorknob

2:26

right like I'm like, yeah,

2:28

it's Molly. Her name is

2:30

Molly Murder Kitten.

2:33

So me, like, that's

2:35

a good name. Yeah.

2:37

All right. So we

2:39

have some weighty things

2:42

to talk about. I

2:44

think perhaps let's

2:47

start with the

2:49

fires. Yeah. Because

2:51

they're on

2:53

everyone's home page.

2:56

right now. For sure. It's

2:58

really scary to think

3:00

about what has happened

3:02

to so many people and

3:05

what is still like looming

3:07

as the winds it seems

3:10

like are kicking up early

3:12

this week too. Yeah, it

3:14

is, I mean the

3:16

word that you can't

3:18

escape is apocalyptic. Like

3:21

that's just, it's... Literally so.

3:23

It's the flames of hell.

3:25

It's and it's inescapable.

3:28

It I'm not the first or the

3:30

last person to comment that

3:32

it looks. It's our

3:34

entertainment capital that looks

3:37

like it's in a movie right

3:39

now. Right. I heard from a friend

3:41

of mine who said he feels

3:43

like Michael Bay, you know, is

3:45

going to come out from behind

3:48

a corner, which, you know, you know,

3:50

When is the last time you really

3:52

wanted to see something turn into a

3:54

Michael Bay movie, right? Like, although that

3:56

did make me think I've watched a

3:58

lot of Michael Bay movies and Maybe

4:00

you didn't know this. He is known

4:02

for being meticulous behind the camera.

4:04

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think when

4:06

you're doing, this is like

4:08

immediately soft topic, but I feel

4:11

like that is a good

4:13

quality when you're working with potentially

4:15

dangerous stunts and pyrotechnics and

4:17

like you want someone who has

4:20

an attention to detail and

4:22

cares about getting details right. I

4:24

mean, that's sort of why it's like.

4:26

Yeah, this is not a Michael Bay

4:28

movie or else it would be all

4:30

under control. Totally. Yes, I think

4:33

that's a great way to wrangle

4:35

this back into the current

4:37

ongoing disaster. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and

4:39

I don't even know that many

4:41

people out there. I've checked on

4:43

most of the people I consider

4:45

to be friends. And some

4:47

people who, I mean, I haven't checked

4:50

on any enemies, I guess, but I

4:52

don't have that many of those. I

4:54

mean, like you. So I'm glad he's

4:57

doing bad, but everyone

4:59

else I'm concerned for.

5:01

And the thing is, and

5:03

I've like given, you know,

5:05

money to some places, and

5:07

I repost all the things

5:09

that are already repost,

5:11

and yet it's still

5:14

really distressing. And

5:16

I was thinking about that

5:18

the other day, and I

5:20

remembered that there is a

5:22

fairly well-known... phenomenon

5:25

called secondary trauma, which

5:27

is sometimes that's how we

5:29

describe like what happens of the

5:32

cover when you see coverage of

5:34

a traumatic event. There's a famous

5:36

study showing that people who

5:38

watch 9-11 coverage had some of

5:40

the same symptoms of PTSD

5:42

as people who were there. But there's

5:45

another term that's a little

5:47

more elastic and I feel

5:49

more comfortable using sometimes which

5:52

is empathic distress distress. Which

5:54

is when I guess it's it seems

5:56

like it's pretty facially

5:59

clear Yeah, yeah, totally. I

6:01

think it sounds very intuitive.

6:04

Yeah. And to me, I mean, I

6:06

like it better because it doesn't

6:08

kind of borrow the

6:11

word trauma. People are

6:13

uncomfortable with using that

6:15

to describe something that

6:17

is not immediately

6:19

impacting their lives. Yeah. But

6:21

it's a real thing. It's for

6:23

real. And I wonder if you

6:26

like me have been wondering.

6:31

The fires are such a

6:34

literal thing, such

6:36

a literal apocalypse.

6:39

It is almost

6:41

easier to think

6:43

about them. Sure.

6:45

Yeah. All the other things.

6:48

Oh, 100%. I mean, it's

6:50

like, it is really...

6:53

it's urgent right and like there are

6:55

lots of urgent problems but it is

6:57

when you can see something made physically

6:59

manifest and I personally I know so

7:01

many people that are affected by it

7:03

and I'm sure we people listening there

7:05

are people that are like oh yeah

7:08

I had to evacuate or I had

7:10

to shelter in place because it wasn't

7:12

time to evacuate but also it wasn't

7:14

like safe to go out and there's

7:16

not I mean there's a little of

7:18

this but there's not a significant

7:21

portion of the country rooting for

7:23

the fires as there is with

7:25

other urgent issues, right? Like, people

7:28

are feeling, I think, a lot

7:30

of anxiety over what a Trump

7:32

presidency will mean for a lot

7:34

of different people, but that's being

7:37

cheer-leaded or cheer-led by the Republican

7:39

establishment in a way that, like,

7:41

even the Republicans that are like,

7:43

well, we'll make this aid to

7:46

California conditional on you being Republicans

7:48

now, aren't can't openly go like...

7:50

because we like that you're on

7:52

fire and that brings us joy.

7:55

We are cheering like that specific few

7:57

flames that got Mel Gibson's house. I

7:59

mean, I'm saying. Which I think like

8:01

if I could look if I

8:03

could rebuild Mel Gibson's house And

8:06

to take away all the rest

8:08

of the fire I would do that

8:10

But that's not within

8:12

my power Wait you would

8:14

rebuild his house to take away

8:17

to like if there could

8:19

be no fire and and

8:21

Including the fire that burned

8:23

down Mel Gibson's house. Oh,

8:25

yes, no fire. Yeah at all

8:27

away Yes, I'm not saying it was

8:29

worth it. Yeah, okay. I didn't think that

8:31

you were saying it was worth it. Okay,

8:34

got that covered. I know you take me

8:36

in good faith, but we know

8:38

that people listening, people seeing us

8:40

on YouTube and Instagram, I just

8:43

don't make sure everybody knows my

8:45

feelings that I don't like Mel Gibson,

8:47

but I don't think that I'm not

8:49

glad that there were fires that

8:51

burned down a bunch of Los

8:53

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