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This is playing around

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with Page Renee.

1:17

Hello everyone, Welcome back to the Playing

1:19

Round Podcast and you are here with your

1:21

two favorite golf girls, Sam

1:24

and Paige. And Sam, we have a

1:26

lot to talk about. It was

1:28

a very interesting week in

1:31

golf and so let's just get right

1:33

on into it. So I have to say

1:35

that I was sweating

1:39

over the last couple holes

1:41

because I picked Russell Henley to

1:44

win and it was tight between

1:47

him and Lucas Glover. And

1:49

the first thing we need to talk about the rule

1:52

on divets. Russell Henley

1:55

got absolutely fucked

1:58

over. And yes, you

2:00

could say, like if he hit the green or

2:02

if he hit the fairway, then he wouldn't have to

2:05

deal with these issues. But he

2:08

missed the green, landed in a

2:10

divot the size of a crater because

2:12

everything would feedback in land in the

2:15

divot, and he didn't get up and down,

2:17

and then he got a horrendous

2:19

lie on the next hole where it plugged,

2:22

well, it looked like a plugged but it didn't,

2:24

and then he had to like hack it out. And

2:26

on the flip side, Lucas Lever snap

2:29

hooked a drive on eighteen and

2:31

it hits a cart, hits

2:34

a cart, it bounces all the way

2:36

back and it didn't matter

2:38

in the end he won by two but

2:42

luck of the green. Okay.

2:44

So you've been very vocal about

2:46

your rules disagreements

2:48

in the past, but I want to know what your

2:51

proposed fix is to this. Is it just

2:53

like nearest point or relief one club length

2:55

like it is with a cart path, or you can't

2:57

have a whole club length to improve your lie.

3:00

Just I think it's dearest point.

3:03

And if you are in the fairway

3:05

and you land in a divot, you should get

3:07

free relief. That's it.

3:10

So this rule wouldn't apply to

3:12

the shitty lie that Russell Henley had

3:15

on whole seventeen, but it

3:18

could help them out on the par three because everything

3:20

keeps feeding back in and feeding back in,

3:23

and so they set these courses up to trick up

3:25

the players, and then on top of it, they're

3:27

all landing in the exact same divot.

3:29

And at some point it's just not fair.

3:32

And you can say life's not fair, Golf's

3:34

not fair. It's just the rub of the green. But

3:36

I don't like that you hit a good shot, you're

3:39

in the fairway, you should get relief

3:41

from a divot.

3:42

Yeah, And I think what's interesting

3:45

about the divot situation is

3:47

like, is there not someone there

3:51

fixing them as they go. I understand

3:53

that it still sucks, but like, I

3:55

don't understand how a divot is left untreated

3:58

for at a PGA Tour event.

3:59

I guess I will say though, if I was

4:01

in Russell Henley's position and someone

4:04

put the divot back

4:07

into the grass, back into the

4:09

divot, or if they standed it, that would

4:11

have been a much more difficult

4:13

shot. There's nothing worse than when

4:15

you have a chunk of grass that they

4:18

replace their divot with. Okay,

4:21

it's the piece of grass is the divot and

4:23

the hole is the divot. What do you call the divot?

4:25

Dibbot? It's

4:28

the divot for the divot, Like, what do

4:30

you call that thing? You

4:33

know, there's there's.

4:34

A lot of people like amateurs who don't

4:37

are just learning golf who call Ballmark's

4:39

dinnert.

4:40

When you take a chunk, Yeah,

4:43

when you take a chunk of the grass, that's

4:46

the chunk is the divot, and the grass

4:48

that flies is the divot. So you put the divot

4:50

back in the divot.

4:51

Anyway, I'm trying to explain

4:53

this and I'm like, you put divot.

4:56

People are like just shut up, But this just

4:58

makes sense. But a sand and divot,

5:01

or a divot that is replaced in the

5:04

it's impossible to hit

5:07

from. It's so difficult.

5:09

So just a wide chunk

5:11

of nothing is a much

5:13

easier shot than if it was

5:16

sanded. So I'm glad they

5:18

didn't fix it in Russell Henley's position.

5:20

But anytime you walk up and you look down

5:22

in your balls and a divot, it's just so

5:25

deflating.

5:27

And I think a lot of people say, you know, we shouldn't

5:29

change that rule because it's just is what it is.

5:32

Like. You know, my mom used to say fairs

5:34

are for fars, are for funnel

5:36

cakes, like life's not fair. But

5:39

think about how few times

5:41

you've landed in a divot in your life? Like

5:43

it doesn't happen very often, I don't

5:45

think, which is why I think changing

5:48

the rule. It's not like it would automate, automatically

5:50

make you improve by ten shots, you

5:52

know what I mean.

5:53

It always happens when it shouldn't happen.

5:55

That's where know they

5:57

know, the divots know, and I'm

6:00

I'm praying to the golf gods throughout my

6:02

round. I'm fixing other people's ballmarks.

6:04

I'm fixing other people's dibts, and

6:07

I still end up in other in dibits. It does

6:09

not make sense to me, But I will say

6:11

that it was really entertaining

6:14

to one watch Justin Thomas

6:16

tried to make the playoffs and then that back

6:18

and forth between Lucas Glover and

6:20

Russell Heinley. Before we get into Lucas Glover,

6:22

because we have a lot to say about that, let's talk about

6:25

JT not making the Fedik Cup

6:28

playoffs. So,

6:30

first off, what has happened to Justin

6:32

Thomas. We've talked about this before and

6:34

we're both on the same page of it's golf.

6:37

You have the ups and the downs, but someone

6:39

of Justin's caliber, even when

6:42

he is really struggling, should still

6:44

be one of the best seventy players

6:46

in the world.

6:47

I know what happened. He got married,

6:49

He got married, he

6:52

got married, he got a little perspective,

6:55

had a no Phone's wedding at Troubadour.

6:57

The fuck is up and hasn't

7:00

made a cut. Actually, well, he made the

7:02

cut, but I don't know. I think

7:05

we've talked about this before. When you're searching,

7:08

it's like the most demoralizing

7:10

bullshit because you just can't, like you

7:12

can't find anything, and that I

7:14

feel like, I don't know, I feel for him. I think

7:17

he's one of my favorite players to watch. I love

7:19

how he's one of the few players who I

7:21

love watching his emotion and how he actually

7:23

cares, and like, you know, it's such a stark

7:26

difference between watching him and like a Patrick

7:28

Cantley, who like has never had an emotion

7:30

on his face in his life. And I love the

7:32

fire in Justin Thomas, and I think it's

7:34

been it's been hard to watch. And I think,

7:37

did you see the chip on the eighteenth hole?

7:39

Chip on the eighteenth hole where he has

7:42

to make it He has to make birdie on

7:44

eighteen to make it into the

7:47

playoffs, and he hits it left, has

7:49

this seventy yard hook

7:52

around trees off of the pine

7:54

straw, hits an amazing shot.

7:56

And then Justin Thomas, known for one of

7:58

the best short games on tour,

8:01

hits this incredible pitch

8:03

shot, hits right in front, hits

8:06

the pin. I thought it was going in and just

8:09

popped on out. But when you're talking about

8:12

Justin Thomas caring so much and

8:14

being so passionate and feisty. It's

8:17

what makes him so great, but it's

8:19

also, I think the reason why he

8:21

is struggling so much right now. So I think

8:24

that Amy Olsen put this perfectly

8:26

where she said that in golf, you have

8:28

to practice every single

8:30

day like it is the most important

8:32

thing in your entire life, and you

8:34

have to care so much. But then

8:36

tournament day comes around, you tee it up and

8:39

you have to play like you don't care

8:41

one bit. And it's such a really

8:43

difficult dynamic with golf because it is

8:46

so mental, and you're seeing a player like

8:48

Justin Thomas who cares so

8:50

deeply and he works so incredibly

8:52

hard and he's doing everything he possibly

8:55

can, and when it's going well, you

8:57

have that confidence. But when one thing starts

8:59

to go wrong, I write an article where he's

9:01

not. He's really changed up his diet and

9:03

he's doing everything he can to get

9:06

back to that level. It's almost like the

9:08

more you put into it and the more you care, the

9:10

harder it is to perform under pressure. And I

9:12

think that's what we're seeing because he does care

9:14

so much and he is so passionate about what

9:16

he does, and you see a player

9:19

like a Dustin Johnson or they

9:21

always say Brooks, yeah, Brooks,

9:23

where they try to like play

9:26

with no care at all, like no

9:28

worries in their mind, nothing at all. You have to

9:30

go out there. And I've even seen this, and

9:33

this is something that I really struggled with when I was

9:35

playing competitively, especially in

9:37

college golf, when I would see people get

9:39

absolutely trashed the night before a tournament

9:42

and then go out there and shoot a sixty six.

9:45

And I'm grinding, I'm trying to eat while

9:47

I'm working out, doing everything I need to be doing,

9:49

and then I absolutely blow it on tournament

9:51

day. And that is so demoralizing

9:54

to see that and say, like I'm doing

9:56

everything I possibly can, it should be working.

9:58

And golf is one of those sports where it's almost

10:00

the opposite. When you're not properly

10:03

conditioned or you're not taking care of your body, it's

10:05

going to show up in other sports, but with

10:08

golf not always the truth.

10:10

I could not agree more. And I think one of the things

10:13

that I always noticed when playing was like when it was

10:15

really raining or when it was super

10:17

windy and your mind is so focused on something

10:19

else. I've always tended to play

10:22

better because I'm so not focused

10:24

on what score, Like where I'm at on my scorecard,

10:27

what I'm thinking about in my swing. I'm trying to stay dry,

10:29

keep all my towels under the umbrella. But like,

10:32

how do you train yourself to care less? You

10:34

need to do that.

10:36

I need to do that, trust me a

10:38

bunch of sports psychologists, and still it

10:40

never helped. We can talk about this all day long,

10:42

but we all know that Justin Thomas is going to make the Ryder

10:45

Cup.

10:46

Do you think so?

10:47

I think so.

10:48

If I was another player, I'd be pissed.

10:50

Who played a lot. I would be fucking missed.

10:53

I don't know. As much as I love Justin Thomas

10:55

and the Ryder Cup, I think I will think less of Zach

10:58

Johnson if he picks him.

10:59

Really, I think that's a hot take. Explain.

11:02

I don't think he's worthy of it this year. Like

11:04

if you look at the if you look at the people who

11:07

if it wasn't Captain's picks and it was just the next

11:09

six people who would have qualified

11:12

on play, he's like seventieth

11:14

on that list.

11:15

Like literally, well actually seventy

11:17

first.

11:18

Well yeah, good one.

11:21

But yeah, I don't know. I think I

11:23

don't think it will be the right move.

11:25

Do you think there's some merit to

11:27

be take that? Within the Ryder

11:29

Cup, having great team camaraderie

11:32

and having someone who is a

11:34

fiery, feisty player almost

11:37

eliminates bad play of

11:39

the entire year because

11:41

you would see on the European team where

11:43

they would bring certain players in who

11:46

really weren't playing their best,

11:48

but they would turn it up and they could

11:50

bring it when it counted during

11:52

the Ryder Cup because they were great match play

11:54

players. Is that something that you're

11:56

looking at Justin Thomas? I would say

11:59

from the camarader aspect, yes,

12:01

because everyone loves Justin Thomas and

12:03

I think he would add so much

12:05

to the team atmosphere. But

12:08

when I think of great Ryder

12:10

Cup players, Justin Thomas is not the

12:12

first person that pops into my mind.

12:14

I mean, he's the first person I think of when I think

12:16

of like the celebration photos with

12:18

Tiger and things like that. But like at

12:20

that point, just make him a volunteer assistant

12:22

and have him drive a golf cart, like if it's about the

12:25

camaraderie, like he'll still be

12:27

in the locker room. Still, I don't know, we

12:29

could go in a whole rabbit hole about that.

12:31

The last thing I'll say is my

12:33

only issue with it, is that I do think that

12:35

Justin Thomas will be on the team, and I can see

12:37

all the reasons why he will potentially

12:39

be on the team. But if

12:42

I am a player who

12:44

is having the year of my

12:46

career and this is probably

12:48

my only Ryder Cup opportunity

12:51

and they pick Justin Thomas

12:53

over someone who is actually playing extremely

12:56

well right now and they will never

12:58

play in a Ryder Cup, I would

13:00

be very frustrated if I was that player. That's

13:03

a tough beat, for sure.

13:05

I agree, and that'll be interesting.

13:07

So we got to get into this

13:10

Lucas Glover situation because

13:13

it was a very interesting one. So after Lucas

13:15

Glover won, his daughter was

13:17

bawling hysterically, and

13:20

Lucas Glover got very emotional,

13:22

and he had this amazing interview

13:24

with Amanda and he was talking about

13:27

how this means so much to him because

13:29

he's been playing really bad this year and

13:32

he just hasn't been able to see his kids

13:34

that often. And so I was really touched

13:36

by that, really touched by that, and

13:38

I was thinking, I'm like, how bad

13:41

has Lucas Glover been playing

13:44

this year that you can't even see

13:46

your kids, like you were on the road every

13:48

single week and you have to make money. So

13:51

I looked and he's been on tour since

13:53

his twentieth year on tour. His total

13:55

career earnings is thirty point

13:57

five million dollars, and this

14:00

season alone he has made two

14:02

point five million

14:05

dollars.

14:06

He's played in twenty five events, made

14:09

fourteen cuts, four top

14:11

tens, five top twenty fives. I mean,

14:13

what is going on here? The daughter crying

14:16

threw me off to begin with. Maybe

14:18

it's my aversion to kids. And

14:21

then secondly, I

14:23

don't know what are they spending?

14:25

Are they did he spend it all already?

14:28

But the whole Lucas Glover situation is giving

14:31

the same energy as James Han when

14:33

he was complaining how he couldn't fly back

14:36

to see his daughter start

14:38

the first day of school and all these parents

14:40

working multiple jobs and

14:42

barely you know, making it buy And

14:45

James Han made at that point like

14:47

twelve million dollars throughout his

14:49

career, and you're looking at Lucas Glover

14:51

and I know he just won, and that was probably

14:53

a big chunk of the two point five million dollars,

14:56

but he was still making a

14:58

ton of money before he got

15:00

this win, and so it's like it

15:03

almost it always ruined

15:06

the moment for me when I found that out. It's

15:08

like, sometimes you look at these pros and

15:10

I'm sure we all have

15:13

our own issues, and no matter how

15:15

much money you have, there are still

15:17

things that people are battling every single day.

15:20

And I understand that, but.

15:23

Calm a butt, But like,

15:26

come on, come.

15:28

On, I think it's just a little insensitive to say

15:30

that given your financial position

15:32

and knowing what other people are going

15:35

through and what they have to go through, Like some people

15:37

don't even see their kids at all because they are

15:39

working multiple jobs and

15:41

they're gone in the morning and they're gone at night, and they're

15:43

trying just to get by. And it's like, come

15:46

on, Lucas Lover, like, I know this means

15:48

a lot to you, and I'm supportive and I like you, but it

15:51

just came off a little insensitive

15:53

to me.

15:54

Well, all I have to say is that I bet

15:56

his wife was happy after he won, because

15:58

I remember a time where she was Remember

16:00

this, I.

16:02

Think you need to run through Lucas

16:04

Glover's timeline because it is a

16:06

wild one, and I'm not sure a lot of people

16:09

remember.

16:10

This, so I remember it,

16:12

and then I went down a rabbit hole, and

16:14

I don't remember all of this shit

16:16

that I'm about to tell you. I don't remember the

16:18

details being that out there.

16:21

And this was when I worked at Golf Channel, so I

16:23

feel like I should have known at

16:25

this point.

16:25

So okay, set it up for us, Sam, what

16:28

year we in?

16:29

We are in twenty nineteen? It's May twenty

16:31

nineteen, and ponavidri Beach at the Players

16:33

Championship.

16:34

It was twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen.

16:36

It wasn't even a long ago. I

16:38

thought this happened in like twenty

16:41

fifteen.

16:42

No, And the best part is that at

16:44

this point in his career, when this

16:46

event happened, he had made twenty

16:49

million dollars. Okay, just keep that

16:51

in mind, and his whole career earnings.

16:53

And that's just on course. That's not giving sponsors

16:56

like all that, you know, appearance on his hat,

16:58

all that shit. Okay. Christa is

17:01

the wife's name. After

17:04

the third round at the Players

17:06

in twenty nineteen, Lucas Glover shot a seventy

17:08

eight. Christa Glover

17:10

was arrested. On a domestic

17:13

violence charge after she reportedly

17:15

became upset and quote

17:17

forcefully attacked Lucas after

17:20

he shot seventy eight. This is all

17:22

like quotes from the

17:24

court documents. I'm not even exaggerating

17:27

this. She showered Lucas

17:29

with insults, called him a pussy and a

17:31

loser, then resorted to physical violence.

17:34

She told him that Lucas

17:36

needs to fire everyone, and he would

17:38

and he better win or she and the

17:40

kids would leave him and he would never see

17:42

them again. So then this whole

17:45

thing goes down. She's hitting him right and

17:47

and his mom. Okay, she's

17:49

like in a physical altercation with Lucas and

17:51

his sixty three year old mother at the time,

17:54

Christa calls nine to

17:56

one one and says she's being attacked

17:59

by Lucas's mom. Lucas

18:02

grabs the phone and is like, that's not

18:04

true. She's lying, Like both of these women

18:06

are out of their minds. Then he said, then

18:09

this is like a fucking

18:12

I'm serious. Then he tells

18:15

the police, my wife has gone crazy

18:17

and she's trying to blame it on my mom,

18:20

but it's really her. Keep in

18:22

mind, this is happening at their

18:24

rental house in panavidre Beach,

18:26

Florida, after he had just played three

18:28

rounds at the Fucking Players a

18:30

year before the Chainsmokers. This

18:33

was not that long ago, Okay,

18:36

So apparently Lucas

18:38

and his mom both had visible injuries

18:40

like bruises and cuts, and there was blood

18:42

on his mom's shirt, so like, this was not

18:44

just a little.

18:45

Like I don't remember it being like

18:48

this. I don't either.

18:49

So she was charged with battery and resisting

18:51

an officer. And then when

18:54

she was in the back of a cop car, she

18:56

goes to the cops. Wait

18:59

till the tour here about this. You will

19:01

lose your job. This is why cops

19:03

get shot in the face. Wait

19:05

till I talk to a judge. You will

19:08

be fucking fired over this. In

19:10

quotes in the court documents, that's what she said.

19:12

Then then what happens, Sam, I

19:15

can't believe there's more then a

19:17

report. You know, they have to like investigate and talk to

19:19

Lucas and talk to the mom and do the whole due diligence

19:21

thing. Lucas said that his wife regularly

19:24

yells at him when he plays bad. And

19:27

then after that, this

19:29

is how I found out about it, because Lucas tweeted.

19:31

He came out with like a statement and said that it

19:34

was a private matter. Everyone's fine, and it would

19:36

be handled in private. Then Christa

19:38

did twenty five hours of community service

19:40

and her case was thrown out, and it's just all no and

19:43

void. Now what.

19:45

I remember this situation and I remember

19:47

seeing her mugshot, but I

19:49

didn't realize it was that bad. And domestic

19:52

violence is no joke on

19:54

either side. And I don't think that people

19:56

talk about the abuse that of most

19:58

men face in their w relationships, and

20:01

it's never really fully brought to light. And

20:03

I want to be very serious about this moment because

20:06

people don't talk about this and think

20:08

about if it was reversed and what would

20:10

have happened and what would have transpired. They're

20:12

still together. He mentioned

20:15

in the post conference talk

20:17

with Amanda that he

20:20

was like, my wife couldn't be here today, like

20:22

say hi to mom, like all this stuff.

20:24

He like pointed it out that they are like still

20:27

together, and it's insane.

20:29

It's insane, it's

20:32

scary.

20:32

I think, like you said, it's

20:35

not talked about. A lot of issues aren't

20:37

talked about, various issues when

20:39

it would have been the other gender or would

20:41

have been a different person. And I think that

20:43

the fact that I literally

20:45

worked for Golf Channel as someone who wrote articles

20:48

about this shit and I did not know any of this is

20:50

crazy. And I

20:53

don't know. I think that, like you said

20:55

when you were looking up his career,

20:58

he's been a lot more accessful than I thought he

21:01

was. I mean, there's not that many guys

21:03

on tour that have made over thirty

21:05

million, Like, there's just not I mean, he

21:07

has like.

21:07

A Charles Howell, a third career.

21:09

It's going right in a sneak career, sneak

21:12

a good career. Yeah, that's

21:14

insane.

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a year loan subscription. Like

21:50

we were saying, I think there's a ton of issues that

21:52

happen with men that we don't

21:54

fully talk about enough. And I

21:56

don't mean to like totally change the subject,

21:58

but when we to the Barbie

22:00

movie, this was actually a conversation that

22:02

we had where it was all about how

22:05

women feel like they have to be everything

22:08

all the time to everyone, and

22:10

no one ever discusses the fact that men

22:13

also feel those pressures.

22:16

They have to look a certain way, they have to act a certain

22:18

way, they can't be too emotional, but they

22:20

have to show some emotion. They have to be all

22:22

these things all the time, and

22:25

it's exhausting. It's exhausting.

22:27

And then there's issues that happen like this that

22:29

don't fully get talked about, and

22:32

it's difficult, Like it is difficult.

22:35

And I hope that you know, we

22:37

have a male dominated audience, and

22:39

I think growing up in golf, which

22:42

is very male dominated, we do see

22:44

that side a little bit more, and I wish people

22:46

talked about it.

22:48

Yeah, it's scary what goes on behind

22:50

closed doors, and like we talk about all the time,

22:52

you never know what somebody is going through. And

22:54

the more compassionate kindness you can show mostly

22:57

online because I feel like that's where people get,

22:59

you know, their big boy britches

23:02

on and think they can say whatever they want. It's just

23:04

you never know what people are going through and that

23:07

is the moral of the story here.

23:09

So then, learning

23:11

from my mistakes, maybe

23:14

it wasn't insensitive that Lucas Glover was

23:16

crying, and good for him for

23:18

showing his emotions. And then it meant

23:21

a lot too, because, like we said, you

23:23

don't know what's going on behind closed

23:25

doors, and he again,

23:28

you don't know. I don't want to speculate anything, but

23:30

he was very emotional for a reason. It meant a lot to

23:32

him. So good on Lucas Glover. Something that

23:34

was really cool that happened was Bryce

23:36

in d Schambeau shot a fifty

23:39

eight to win the live

23:41

event. I tweeted this,

23:44

most people can't

23:46

even shoot at fifty eight in a four

23:48

man scramble with mulligans, and

23:50

a bunch of people were commenting, They're like, I've shot

23:53

lower, and I'm like, yeah, you're cheating, You're

23:55

cheating. But the fact that still

23:58

four people all of their best shots

24:01

and you still can't shoot a fifty eight. I

24:03

don't care where you are, what course you're

24:05

on, from what distance. A fifty

24:08

eight is so fucking

24:10

good.

24:11

It's crazy, and I think it. I

24:14

mean, first thing I'll say is if he shot at fifty eight

24:16

and no one saw, it doesn't really count. But

24:18

it's just a little joke. I had to get in there. I do

24:20

think I was a little bit sad

24:22

that I didn't hear anything about it or see

24:25

anything about it until he had already made the putt

24:27

to shoot fifty eight. Like I would have

24:29

loved to watch that live golf PGA

24:31

Tour. I don't give a shit. I would have loved to tune

24:33

in and see that.

24:35

Right.

24:37

A couple interesting facts about his

24:39

fifty eight. He had a bogie.

24:41

Okay, that's crazy. I mean we did

24:43

see Jerry Kelly shooting fifty eight, but he

24:45

did. And talk about times when you

24:47

don't care. I don't think he could have cared

24:50

less about how he was playing, and he was just firing

24:52

them off that day.

24:53

Yep.

24:55

Bryceon also played with a long drive driver,

24:58

the Crank Golf driver.

25:00

They that brand has won over twenty

25:02

five World long drive Championships.

25:04

That's crazy, but that

25:06

makes sense because I was looking at his what's

25:09

in the bag and it was like his long driver

25:11

and his short driver, and I'm like, what, what?

25:13

What is a short driver? Why do you have a long

25:15

driver a short driver? So that checks

25:17

out. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

25:20

Some things you could have kept to yourself. You

25:23

know what I think is interesting, which is very timely.

25:26

We have been on

25:29

only page telling you guys about games you can

25:31

play on the golf course by yourself with friends

25:33

this summer, and one that we

25:36

just uploaded was playing the front tees and

25:38

how both of us in college played

25:40

that all the time.

25:42

This for years, for years.

25:44

And guess what Bryson said his

25:46

key to success?

25:47

Can you finish your thought because I'm gonna ran, I'm gonna I'm

25:49

gonna rant after this, so you continue.

25:52

He said that his key to success was

25:54

and has been playing the front tees because

25:56

he's comfortable making a shit ton of birdies.

25:58

That's literally what he said after And then I was

26:00

like, huh, that's a bit funny,

26:03

isn't it.

26:03

The fact that that we

26:05

foreshadow everything, Yes,

26:08

and that we have been saying this

26:11

for years four

26:14

years. Sam and I have both

26:16

played at a very high level.

26:18

We didn't make it for our own personal reasons,

26:21

but we're really cute. So we've we've

26:24

discussed if people

26:27

would just listen to what we're

26:29

saying, they would be so

26:31

much better off. Now.

26:34

It's a huge story that Bryson is like I

26:36

puted from the Red Teeth.

26:37

I have been telling you that

26:41

for years, the amount

26:43

of retweets that I saw men being

26:45

like, Oh, I'm gonna do it now, like do

26:48

as I.

26:48

Say, Do as I say.

26:50

Listen first time what we

26:53

are telling you, because we know

26:55

our stuff, and it's getting.

26:57

To the point where I'm

27:00

tired of downplaying

27:02

our ability. I'm tired of it.

27:04

And we are fucking good. We

27:07

have played at such a high level,

27:09

we have worked with some of the best coaches in

27:11

the world, and we

27:14

know what we're talking about. Listen

27:16

to us. You're going to improve

27:20

if you listen to us.

27:22

And I see these guys on the internet following

27:26

people who can't break ninety five,

27:29

and we are here giving

27:31

you quality information, everything

27:35

that we have learned and absorbed

27:37

in our years of playing. We are giving

27:40

it to you for free,

27:42

for free.

27:45

It drives me insane.

27:47

That really bothered me because I'm like

27:50

we have been saying that, We've

27:52

always been saying that. We've talked about

27:54

this multiple times on this podcast,

27:57

on YouTube channel, on op that

27:59

is just a game that you should do to shoot

28:01

lower scores. It is such a good game to

28:03

do.

28:06

Deep breaths.

28:09

I mean, it's frustrating.

28:10

No, it is. I was gonna.

28:12

Let you I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

28:14

I was gonna let the high pitched rant go on as

28:16

long as it did to Yeah,

28:20

I think, uh, I think you're

28:22

right, and I think, you know, maybe

28:24

everybody will come around one day realize

28:26

that we're not idiots.

28:29

It's like when we tell people to go get fitted. You

28:31

how many times I've told people to go to

28:33

Club Champion and go get fit

28:35

for your clubs. That buying off the rack

28:37

is such a waste of money. You're not going

28:40

to get the performance that you're looking

28:42

for out of your golf club. So just go and

28:44

get fit. And every

28:47

time someone listens to me, the messages

28:49

I get back is like I've gained fifty

28:51

yards, I've done this, I've done this, and

28:53

like I know, I

28:56

know, you know. What I've started to do to get

28:58

people to listen to me is someone

29:00

called me their golf mommy,

29:03

and so I have now become

29:06

golf mommy on Instagram, and

29:08

so as their mother, I'm telling

29:11

them what they should be doing,

29:13

and they listen, and they listen.

29:15

They're finally listening to their golf mommy. So,

29:18

as your golf mommy, go to Club Champion

29:20

and go get fit for your clubs. And because

29:23

we all love a good discount, you can use my code page.

29:26

We're going to rapid fire through

29:28

five golf

29:30

questions we were asked on the Instagram account

29:33

last night. Number one, which

29:36

I think this is an interesting question. Our

29:38

blade or mallet putters better?

29:41

It depends on your putting stroke. I

29:43

also think better is just not a

29:45

word you can use here. We've talked about

29:47

this before. A lot of the time, if you don't

29:50

like what you're looking down at, forget

29:52

it. That's why people change putters a lot,

29:54

is because they get fatigue of looking down at the same

29:56

putter all the time. Or you have people like Tiger

29:58

who use the same and style

30:00

for their whole lives. So do you think it's fair to

30:02

say that there's not a better or worse No.

30:06

I think it comes down to your stroke

30:08

and what's most important? Are you

30:10

face balanced? Is it toe hang?

30:12

What does the shape of the hozzle look like? These are

30:15

all things that really actually

30:17

do come into play on

30:19

what makes a good putter for you, because

30:22

you could really like something but it might

30:24

not be the best putter for you. But when it comes

30:26

to putting, it's such an individualized experience

30:29

where you could play a putter that's

30:31

not fair for you, that doesn't

30:33

like you should be playing something totally different.

30:36

But if you have confidence with it and you're

30:38

putting well with it and you can make it work, then

30:40

it's one club that's completely different than any

30:43

other club in your bag. And I still recommend

30:45

going to get fit because I do think a lot of people

30:47

are playing the wrong putter for them and

30:49

they're having a potter with toe hang and need one

30:52

with face balance, And then they're like, why am I missing

30:54

them all this way or that way. I'm like, well, it's because

30:56

it is of your putter, but no, it's

30:58

what looks good to your eye. There's not one is

31:00

not better than the other. I do recommend,

31:03

though, when you do get a new putter, to stick with

31:05

it for a little bit, because I do see people

31:07

changing their putters up quite constantly, and

31:10

I think that's also a mental issue

31:13

that they have when it comes to putting. Stick

31:15

with it and get through the good times

31:17

and the bad times, like think of your putter as

31:19

a marriage. Well,

31:22

I can't speak on that. Let's go the next question.

31:24

Oh god, I'm

31:27

dead. Okay, what's your favorite drill

31:29

to learn better tempo?

31:30

I'm putting or full swing?

31:32

Full swing?

31:33

My favorite drill for tempo is

31:35

the stop at the top drill. Tiger Woods

31:38

came out and he said that this was a drill that he

31:40

used when he was playing his best golf and

31:43

it's so simple and so easy, but

31:45

it really does help you. So you swing up to the

31:47

top of your swing, hold it for a second,

31:49

and then you come down. It sinks

31:51

everything up. Most people rush it from the top

31:53

and everything is out of sync where their hips are

31:56

going first, with hands are going first, and so when you stop

31:58

at the top to be able to make contact,

32:00

everything just has to come through smoothly.

32:03

And as the best drill that has

32:05

worked for me for tempo, how about you, I.

32:07

Would say, if we're if you're talking about

32:09

more just to get the feeling, I would say

32:11

swinging with two clubs in your hands, or

32:14

getting one of those little swing weights off Amazon

32:16

that are two or three pounds and putting it down by the

32:19

club head. I think getting yourself

32:21

to really get in the motion and used

32:23

to slowing down mostly in your backswing,

32:25

and when you use heavier clubs, that's not going

32:27

to allow you to cast it up here get

32:29

really fast at the top of your swing. I would

32:32

say, that's something that I always did. And then I mean, if

32:34

you do have the means too. If I could recommend one

32:36

training aid, it would be the orange whip for the tempo.

32:39

I literally loved my orange

32:41

whip. Took that thing everywhere, So that's

32:43

what I would say. What kind of snacks do you

32:45

like to bring on the golf course? People are looking for snack

32:47

ideas multiple people actually.

32:49

So I would say most people

32:51

will go for a hot dog at the turn, which

32:54

is a delicious snack.

32:56

But when I was playing competitively, you

32:58

want to keep your energy and you don't

33:00

want to have an insane burst of energy,

33:03

So you don't want to have a sugar

33:05

spike or a caffeine spike because

33:07

within golf you want to stay as level as

33:10

possible, and so sometimes when you have

33:12

too much caffeine or too much sugar, you can get a little

33:14

bit jittery, which can affect your putting. So

33:16

I like snacks like a peanut butter and banana

33:19

sandwich. You can do a peeb and j anything

33:22

with some protein as well, So you can do a protein

33:24

drink, a nice

33:26

trail mix that has, you know, like

33:28

unsalted almonds and really

33:31

things that are a bit boring

33:33

or bland. But when you're trying to keep your energy

33:36

and your focus for such a long

33:38

period of time, anything like my

33:41

favorite trail mix is like adding some dried

33:44

fruit almonds. You can add some

33:46

dark chocolate to that if you want, like a little bit of

33:48

a kick of sugar. A peanut

33:50

butter banana sandwich, and then a

33:52

protein bar and a protein shake, and

33:55

you want to try to nibble at least every

33:57

three holes and drink a ton of water,

33:59

and that way you're going to be hydrated, feeling

34:01

good, your energy's going to be consistent. But

34:03

eating every three holes is really the way

34:06

to go.

34:06

That's the key that I was going to say was I think it's

34:08

less about what it is and more about the consistency

34:11

throughout. Because the people who just eat a big

34:13

ass hot dog on whole number ten is like

34:16

good luck, and then you're gonna want to go to sleep after

34:18

the round because you've also had eight beers. So

34:20

like, I think it's more. I was a beef jerky

34:23

and salted goldfish, not

34:25

the original goldfish, the plain yep

34:27

white ones. I love those, and I think they

34:30

were I would just have a handful every three holes and some beef

34:32

jerky, and I feel like that really worked for me. But water

34:34

intake, for sure, especially it's so damn hot out

34:36

there, you guys, like I can't even go outside

34:38

to walk my dog. It's so fucking hot here. I can't

34:40

do it anymore.

34:42

The snacks that I was recommending were for like

34:44

a competition or a turn, Yeah exactly.

34:46

But if you're going out with your buddies, go

34:48

have fun, like go drink a beer, have

34:52

the hot dog, like eat what you want to have that

34:54

Snickers bar, like it's okay. But

34:56

if you do really want to eat

34:58

to fill your body to help help you shoot

35:00

lower scores, then what you are

35:03

in taking is actually very important.

35:05

What's the most important club to get fit for? Like,

35:07

let's say you can only afford to do one.

35:09

That's a really hard question because let

35:12

me just go through all of them and why I think each one's

35:14

important because they're all different, and

35:17

I think it's determined on like

35:19

what you're struggling with in your game. So having

35:23

a really great driver that's fit for you is

35:25

so important because most people are losing

35:27

up to twenty yards by having a driver that's

35:29

not fit for them, and you will shoot lower

35:31

scores, and we've seen this with data. You will shoot lower

35:34

scores if you hit it farther,

35:36

and you can drop your handicap easier if you're

35:38

hitting it just about ten yards farther. So that's an

35:40

easy way to fix your game. And also

35:42

your dispersion will also get better, so you'll be

35:44

hitting for more fairways. But if

35:46

your irons aren't fit for you, then you're

35:49

going to struggle and you're not going to hit any greens.

35:51

And most people don't have a good enough short game to

35:54

get through their round with only hitting eight

35:56

greens, and so having irons that fit for

35:58

you are so incre important. Most

36:01

people struggle with their short gams because they don't

36:03

actually have wedges that fit for them. Wedges

36:06

are so neglected when it comes to the

36:08

fitting process, and it is actually

36:10

one of the more important clubs that you need to

36:12

get fit for because everyone

36:14

has a different attack angle and so the

36:17

bounce is going to be different for each person,

36:20

and a lot of people will dig or they'll

36:23

hit shots that they just can't hit because

36:25

of their bounce does not fit their swing.

36:27

And so if you have wedges that fit, you can actually

36:30

hit off tight lines. You can hit these shots that you've been struggling

36:32

with because your wedges just were

36:34

wrong for you. Having a putter,

36:36

I mean's the scoring clubs, so of course that you

36:39

want to have a putter that's fit for you. Having

36:41

really good woods, like a good three wood off

36:43

the tea is so vital and into

36:46

par fives because most people struggle

36:48

with their three wood and they don't have one that's

36:50

fit for them. And it's like, once you do, it's a game

36:52

changer because if your driver struggling, then you hit your three

36:54

wood off the team, you can also go for part five. So

36:57

they're all really important. I mean, out of

36:59

everything I said, which one would you say is most important?

37:02

I mean, if we're talking strictly like strokes

37:06

per rounds that you use the club

37:08

for I would say putter probably number

37:10

one and then shortly behind

37:12

number two. For a weekend golfer, probably

37:15

a sixty degree wedge, fifty six

37:17

degree wedge. I mean, and actually practicing

37:19

it, I think is also a key to this. That's

37:22

what I would say.

37:22

So what we're saying is all of the clubs are important,

37:24

so go and get fit for all of them. But you

37:27

could be driving it amazing

37:29

and you're struggling with your irons, And I would

37:31

say one thing to look out for is inconsistency

37:35

across your club So if you hit

37:37

your driver really well and then you're

37:39

missing your woods left and your irons

37:41

right, then that's a club fitting issue. That's

37:43

not a swing issue. If you're missing all of your clubs

37:46

the consistent way, then that

37:48

tends to be more of a swing issue. But

37:50

if there's inconsistencies across your

37:53

clubs with where you're missing them,

37:55

that is actually a fitting issue.

37:58

And one thing that was really interesting is Horsell

38:00

came out. He said that the loft and lies

38:03

on his clubs were wrong

38:05

and it's just a mistake of no one,

38:08

just the wear and tearor of traveling and playing

38:10

with them. All the time, the clubs will bend, and

38:12

he was struggling with his clubs because they

38:14

were just a degree or two off.

38:17

And so again, it just shows you how small

38:19

of a change can make a massive difference.

38:21

And that's someone who gets their

38:23

clubs looked at every single week. So imagine

38:27

what getting fit could do for you if you've never

38:29

gotten fit before.

38:30

We're like broken records. Maybe they'll listen to us

38:32

one day. Who knows, mother knows best

38:34

golf? Mommy says, go get fit, all

38:37

right? Last question, how can I practice my lag,

38:39

putting, slash speed control? The

38:42

number one thing that I did when I was getting ready to go

38:44

out and play a golf course, no matter if

38:47

it was a tournament or playing on a Saturday,

38:49

is find two holes that are thirty ish feet

38:52

apart and just go back and forth with two

38:54

golf balls. Put two, don't worry

38:56

about making them, just try to get in a general vicinity

38:58

of the hole. Because I feel, I like short game

39:00

is very neglected when it comes to warm up.

39:03

Everyone just wants to take their nine nine and their driver

39:05

on the range and drink a few beers and talk

39:07

about how they're going to try to break a hundred today

39:09

with their friends and they go to the first tea because they didn't

39:11

realize it was their tea time and they didn't get to putt,

39:13

and it's a whole thing, and it's like, dude, you

39:16

literally the most strokes

39:18

of your golf round are your

39:20

putting. Can you please start taking putting

39:22

seriously? Please? Yep, that was

39:24

my rant no, and I

39:26

totally agree with you.

39:27

And I think a lot of people struggle with

39:30

being able to practice putting because

39:32

a driving range there's a spot for everyone.

39:34

For the most part, driving ranges are wide,

39:37

they're big, and they do that because

39:39

most people go when they practice their long

39:41

game before they go to their tea time. Most

39:43

putting greens are quite small and

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there aren't two holes available

39:48

because everyone's crowded around and practicing.

39:51

So what I like to do is use the caller. And

39:53

this drill is also on op so if

39:55

you want to go and see me walk

39:58

you through it, then you can go over to my

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subscription site. But what you do is you

40:02

have a golf ball and you put it

40:04

to the collar. You try to get it as close

40:06

as you possibly can without it going past the

40:08

collar, and you just go back and forth. So

40:10

it's essentially the same drill as what Sam said

40:13

is you go back and forth, you go back and forth. But if

40:15

you don't have a hole, you can still put

40:17

different spots on the putt and green and that

40:19

should never be an excuse. And I think sometimes that

40:22

is an excuse for people because they just don't want

40:24

to go practice in and like, oh, there's too many people there,

40:26

there's no room for me. No, there are

40:29

drills that you can do and you don't need

40:31

an open putt and green to do so. And

40:33

I also like to find an uphill and a downhill

40:35

putt too, to see how each one reacts

40:38

before you go out on the golf course, because

40:40

you see this all the time where people will three

40:42

putt first couple holes. They're like, oh, I didn't know the speed

40:44

of the green. The putty green was right there. It

40:47

was right there available for you

40:50

to go and hit some putts, and you chose not to do

40:52

it. So you have to practice these

40:54

things to get better and Brant, this

40:57

was a very rancy episode.

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