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1:05

take a look, and last time I

1:07

looked I gotta be honest I said, I'm not

1:09

being funny, but where's the rest of it? a

1:14

little light, huh? Cough it up!

1:17

You know, there's two people

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you're gonna have to pay

1:21

Well, not all listeners, but

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the next few months Uncle

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1:35

Get out your wallet What

1:38

do you think you're doing?

1:40

Cheap bastard No good for

1:42

nothing Do you even have

1:44

a wallet? That's

1:47

a good insult Even have

1:49

a wallet Cough it up

1:52

goodness welcome to the show you

1:54

know me it's your buddy

1:57

Andy America's little brother you can

1:59

call him mean, you're a little

2:01

beef daddy. You're a little beef.

2:03

Eh, whatever. You're a reg, you're, you

2:05

know, like a little beef daddy?

2:07

No, just a strange twist. Well, I

2:09

don't know. I thought it was

2:11

like a term of endearment with Valentine's

2:13

Day coming up. Then that way.

2:15

But anyway, behind me as I kill

2:18

time as he gets dressed, ladies

2:20

and gentlemen, this man is going to dance. Oh,

2:25

and that thing

2:27

is waiting across the

2:29

broadcasts. Victoria! Nick

2:38

Pollock is still doing push -ups over

2:40

there. He made it. I don't know

2:42

how many he did. How many did

2:44

you do? Was that a 10 count?

2:46

I did nine. Nine. I heard you

2:48

running out of time. He started saying

2:50

the... Go do the last one. Do

2:54

it now. Okay,

2:58

he did it. 10 push -ups. Nick's

3:02

on a fitness challenge 2025 here,

3:04

I'm noticing. Is that

3:06

a conscious thing? Are you just doing

3:08

it on the show? Like, is this

3:10

happening off the air as well? It's

3:12

not, but it should be. Okay, I

3:14

see. I think I will. Well, hey,

3:16

once a week is better than none's

3:18

a week. Yeah, which is where I

3:20

was at. Yeah, so, hey. Before this

3:22

month. I hear you, that's where I'm

3:24

at. Nick, welcome to the program. Glad

3:26

to have you as always. It's a

3:28

pleasure. To

3:31

your immediate left. You

3:33

on 'em, we got 'em.

3:49

Get out of my way,

3:51

yeah, fuck you. Thunder's

4:00

here, and it is the

4:02

last week of the show before

4:04

February. Ah, yes. We got

4:06

somebody here to supervise before next

4:08

week. Oh, a Lew Rawls

4:10

trading card? An autographed Lew Rawls

4:12

trading card. Did you have

4:14

that last year? One from last

4:16

year. Yeah. Okay. You got

4:18

that in eBay or something? Yeah.

4:20

Yeah. Did you buy it or did

4:22

you get it as a gift? I bought it. Yeah. For

4:25

yourself. For the show. Mm -hmm.

4:27

For everyone to enjoy. American

4:29

Bandstand series, huh? I don't know

4:31

if that's the same card.

4:33

I might have told this already,

4:35

but I wanted to get

4:37

an autographed card

4:39

before I got that one, and

4:41

I put down a reasonable amount on

4:43

eBay. Mm -hmm. And in the last

4:45

minute. Someone sniped you? It was

4:47

double sniped. Oh. And it went up

4:49

to like 60 -something all of a

4:51

sudden. Like I might have had

4:53

20 -25 on there. Yeah. Something like

4:55

that. And last minute, it was like

4:57

boom, boom, boom, these two people

4:59

all of a sudden came out of

5:01

nowhere. They both said I can

5:03

have it. Friends of the seller, most

5:05

likely. Oh, you think they were

5:07

just jacking up the price? Well, why

5:10

would that happen so dramatically at the

5:12

very end? Yeah. I mean, let's

5:14

face it. How many years ago was

5:16

this? Just a couple last year? When

5:18

that happened, probably two or three years

5:20

ago. was going to say that

5:22

system was in effect for several years

5:24

where you can set a max bid

5:26

and it'll automatically just outbid. Yeah. But

5:28

like back in the day, you used

5:30

to have to do each bid

5:32

individually. Well, that's what I'm saying. It

5:35

happened so quickly. It's almost like someone,

5:37

two people logged in at the last minute

5:39

and kept upping their max bids or something.

5:41

I don't know. It was bizarre. Here's the

5:43

thing though. It was a little sus as

5:45

the kids would say. You wouldn't want to

5:47

do that and make a habit out of

5:49

it because if your friend ends up winning,

5:51

you have to pay a percent to eBay.

5:54

You know what I mean? If you're the

5:56

seller and your buddy tries to jack up

5:58

the price and they win. I think

6:00

I was the intended mark in

6:02

the situation. They tried to bone

6:04

the boner as they say. Can't

6:06

bone the boners. Didn't happen. Simply

6:09

cannot have fools at your end

6:11

if ever there was one. Yeah.

6:13

Well, thanks for bringing the card.

6:15

What color ink is that? Is

6:17

that a silver pen? Yeah, okay. I

6:19

don't have my glasses on, but I

6:22

thought that's what I said. This is

6:24

also ready to go. Okay, let's bring

6:26

that over. Would you like to the

6:28

boner? Really scanning the scene to see

6:30

what the interest is pretty sure it's

6:33

zero. I haven't heard a damn thing

6:35

Okay, well, this is we're getting a

6:37

glare here on a video, but letting

6:39

you know Someone wants this

6:41

it's a framed Schnell. There's someone who

6:43

wants it and he's gonna get it

6:45

if none of you speak up We're

6:47

not gonna do a raffle none of

6:49

you wants this who wants us to

6:51

mail this to you Jericho said he

6:53

wanted it. Oh, okay, so Well, he's

6:55

got everything. We should, he's got almost

6:57

everything. He should raffle it off or

6:59

make a second print of it or

7:01

not. That's true. Yeah. I'll add cheese

7:03

to it, melted cheese to it like

7:05

Paul Stanley. He literally has everything. Let's

7:07

offer it up to some other people.

7:09

Well, that's why I bring it up.

7:12

Well, Nick is suggesting no one else

7:14

is interested in. Well, we haven't, have

7:16

we advertised it once. There's been a

7:18

week. We talked about it last week

7:21

instead if anyone's interested in said if

7:23

anyone's interested. If anyone's interested. hit us

7:25

up and we've got and we got

7:27

a big goose egg laid on it.

7:30

Yeah. So you think Nick would get

7:32

some personal inbox is saying, hey man,

7:34

hook me up with that schnau, didily,

7:36

nothing, anything you're giving away for free.

7:39

You'd be shocked if nobody stepped up and

7:41

wanted it. Do you want to put it

7:43

on marketplace for free? You know what I'm

7:45

going to do? If nobody wants it. I'm

7:47

gonna I'm gonna drive over to the big

7:49

antique mall in Highland and I'm just gonna

7:51

leave it somewhere. Ah that's good. Just sneak

7:53

it in someone's booth. Just put it there

7:56

and walk away and someone will say I

7:58

don't know what this is but a I'm

8:00

selling it. Yep. They won't know what

8:02

to put, what kind of tag to

8:04

put on that, but... All right, well,

8:07

hey, if you're interested, we still can

8:09

do a raffle. Or maybe we'll just

8:11

do it off the page for I

8:13

don't know. We'll see how we're gonna

8:15

do it But Nick was gauging interest last

8:17

week not a lot I will I

8:19

will say it didn't didn't warm up

8:21

well, but nobody's seen it yet once you

8:24

see it changes the game That's true.

8:26

We not post a picture of it. I

8:28

don't think we post a picture maybe

8:30

that's nobody sent me a picture of it

8:32

for one thing. Oh, there you go.

8:34

Yeah, we'll send it this end it

8:36

this week. We'll share it in the video

8:39

last week. who were on the Patreon

8:41

video stream, they saw it.

8:43

But, well, I mean, since

8:45

Spreaker pulled the audio feed from

8:47

YouTube, I make that live when

8:49

the episode came out. So people

8:51

was seeing it. Someone could see

8:53

it. Yeah, OK. OK. I mean,

8:55

this was in our group message.

8:57

I'm just saying, OK. Is that

9:00

the framed version? OK. So that's

9:02

what it. All right, we'll get

9:04

that post. So we can, we

9:06

could probably take a little bit

9:08

better one than that. We'll light

9:10

it properly. I think we should

9:12

do like we did with the

9:14

walking stick. I agree. All right.

9:16

We just, we hadn't decided what

9:18

we were going to do with

9:20

it. That's why we didn't promote.

9:22

Nick just wanted people beaten down

9:25

the door. I think Nick doesn't

9:27

always get what he wants to

9:29

be coveted, right? After he's dead,

9:32

probably. Well, okay. Anyway, thank you

9:34

for that. We'll get to it.

9:36

We'll post a picture. We'll do

9:38

the raffle. You might win it,

9:41

whether you want to or not.

9:43

So I don't know what to

9:45

tell you. Well, if you win it,

9:47

you can refuse it. I mean, geez.

9:49

No, you can. I'll find your address

9:51

and I'll send it to you. Because

9:53

it's going to be there. Yeah. All

9:55

right. I will drive it to your

9:57

house. All right. Hey, there's foil over

9:59

here. I'm

10:02

hungry.

10:08

Chris.

10:13

What

10:17

does

10:20

it

10:23

say?

10:26

Happy?

10:29

I don't know, I haven't looked

10:32

at it. Something Day. It's Happy...

10:34

Celebration Day. Yeah, I don't

10:36

know. I can't read the

10:38

second word, but it's Happy

10:40

Something Day. Frank Gorsion, Riddler,

10:43

question mark. I wouldn't be

10:45

surprised if one day there's

10:47

30 guys in Bowler, Derby's,

10:49

and Chris's basement, and all

10:51

of a sudden, the Gorsion's

10:54

gone and the Chanel is

10:56

up. A lot of history

10:58

there. That ain't, we're not

11:00

just handing that over to

11:03

some, somebody just because they're

11:05

a patron. Yeah. To get

11:07

me to part with that would

11:09

be something. Yeah. So Nick, what

11:11

do you got here? What'd you

11:13

make for us today? Banana bread?

11:15

It's, yeah, it's in a loaf

11:17

pan, kind of a bread, like

11:19

a loaf pan. A robust, I

11:21

don't know for a toilet. The

11:24

most, the most robust loaf pan

11:26

I had available is the one

11:28

I used. There's a bold moisture.

11:30

Well, these came out of the

11:32

oven about an hour and a

11:34

half. Oh, fresh. Maybe less. Wow.

11:36

Only if it's fresh. This is,

11:38

so I had, I had looked

11:40

it up, apparently, I don't know

11:42

to what extent this is a...

11:45

possible, but I had heard that

11:47

you can use apple butter in

11:49

place of actual butter in baking

11:51

recipes. So that's what is

11:54

done here. And there are pecans

11:56

to sweeten the deal. Apple butter,

11:58

pecan loaf cake. So there you go.

12:01

Chris, you tried it? Andy's worried. I

12:03

don't eat that. I don't eat that shit.

12:05

I'm kidding. I will eat it definitely during

12:07

the song. I like to save it until

12:09

we start the song, as you know. But

12:12

Chris dives right in with the initial. Chris

12:14

is the canary in the coal mine here

12:16

next baking. If he falls over, I know,

12:19

to just wrap it back up and walk

12:21

out to the car. I don't know how

12:23

it is, so Chris is actually probably the

12:25

only one. So far, who knows how it

12:28

turned out? I'll call the ambulance on the

12:30

way out. So, let's see, what's he thinking?

12:32

He's having a hard time chewing that.

12:34

You need something to drink? No,

12:37

I'm just getting through it. Okay,

12:39

well I thought maybe he was

12:41

enjoying the heck out of it.

12:43

Sick, it's rich. I'm worried it's

12:45

dry or something. I will say

12:47

this, it seems a tad on

12:49

the dry side. Okay, well I

12:51

mean that's part of the experimentation

12:53

with substituting. Is that an apple

12:55

butter thing, dryness? No I don't

12:57

think so, but I mean it's

13:00

different than actual butter, so

13:02

I guess there might be

13:04

a texture thing. going on.

13:06

Okay. Flavor is there, flavor

13:09

is good. But it's a

13:11

little, little dry. A little

13:13

bit, not, not crazy, not

13:15

deal breaker, dry. Nick calls

13:18

it the Stephen Wright loaf

13:20

cake. Well, I'll try it

13:22

in a minute, but thank

13:24

you Nick. I'm very excited

13:27

to eat it. You're welcome.

13:29

We are, um, on the listener

13:31

submission list. So my my church,

13:33

it's Nick's pick. My pick, what

13:35

I've decided to do is go

13:37

off the list, but I've selected

13:39

one off the list. So we

13:41

don't have to get the Bozo

13:44

Puter out. Okay. Sports Machine Bozo

13:46

Puter. Hmm. Wait, can we get

13:48

the number off there just in case

13:50

we get a hit on something that

13:52

people are requesting? I just tinkered with

13:54

the list. I will have to look

13:57

up what the number is. You can

13:59

find it. Um, like it's

14:01

refreshed on your side

14:03

too, but I was gonna

14:05

say, if you had it

14:07

memorized, it's changed. But now,

14:10

if you're looking, it's

14:12

there. Dude, dude, dude, why

14:14

even have a list? You're

14:16

right. Who said that? Chris

14:19

Comerado again. This is

14:21

on the list, Chris Comerado

14:23

again. This is on

14:26

the list, Chris Comerado.

14:28

The white snake out for John

14:30

Sykes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, we'll

14:32

see maybe Nick pulled a stunt

14:34

What along those lines or a

14:37

different type of stunt? I have

14:39

no idea. But he's getting ready.

14:41

He hasn't revealed the song to

14:43

you. I have no idea what's

14:46

going on. I think we're going

14:48

off the list here. Well, we

14:50

are going on. Well, I mean

14:52

in the traditional format of you know,

14:55

pulling the lever and

14:57

bozo putering Hmm, it's

14:59

a you have a hard

15:01

time. Yeah, we're just gonna

15:04

I think I should probably

15:06

just read it in give

15:08

the title And he can

15:10

look up the number and

15:13

then I'll see if I

15:15

get a hit on something.

15:17

All right, you ready Nick?

15:20

Yes, I am all right.

15:22

Let's turn the microphone over

15:24

to Chris Jericho Yes, that

15:27

was a, I don't know

15:29

who guessed it, who said

15:32

87. Mr. McCown. He was

15:34

absolutely correct. It's just, it's

15:36

the time to have this

15:39

song featured on the podcast

15:41

in light of recent events,

15:44

the passing of One John

15:46

Sykes. I love this picnic,

15:48

well done. Right, so this

15:51

is number 1425. Okay. This

15:53

was submitted by Tony Griggs.

15:56

Tony says, oh hold on

15:58

me, me eyes now so good.

16:00

Let's see what's going on over

16:02

here. From the first pick

16:04

scrape to the pot, I

16:06

can't read this. Hold on.

16:08

I've officially entered the time

16:10

and life where I have

16:13

to make the text bigger.

16:15

I think you need something

16:17

to eat. I think you're

16:19

hungry and you're just your

16:22

whole system. Yeah. It's thrown

16:24

off. I'm just going to go

16:26

lay down. Well, while you're. Well,

16:28

you're beefing it up. I did

16:31

want to mention, it must have

16:33

been on the old list, because

16:35

when I looked on the list,

16:37

I did not see our good

16:40

friend Rich submitted it, and I

16:42

remembered that from years ago, it

16:44

must have been on the old

16:46

list. Okay. And wanted to have

16:49

him come and be on the

16:51

podcast tonight to join us. He

16:53

was unable to. He was uninterested

16:55

is what he said. He made

16:57

up an excuse. At least Andy

17:00

told me it was just an

17:02

excuse. Yeah on the site. He

17:04

sent me a separate message. He

17:06

said not feeling well. Then to

17:08

Andy he said not interested. Thanks.

17:10

Boring. Don't want to. No, okay,

17:12

I'm gonna try to read this.

17:14

From the first pick scrape to

17:17

the power cord and then soaring

17:19

vocals, you know immediately this song

17:21

was gonna be huge. Coverdale was

17:23

always a more bluesy style vocalist,

17:25

but John Sykes made White Snake

17:27

metal on this release. Suddenly new

17:29

bands wanted to sound like them

17:32

instead of Bon Jovi. Sykes kind

17:34

of got the raw end of the deal by

17:36

getting let go right before

17:38

the record was released. But

17:40

no denying his greatness on

17:43

this record. A true

17:45

talent taken too soon. Oh

17:47

wow, so this just got

17:49

submitted. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

17:52

The passing of Mr.

17:54

Sykes. Yeah. Wow. Must have

17:56

inspired such a thing to

17:59

occur. Wow. So what's the story

18:01

with that? I'm not educating

18:03

me here because he recorded

18:05

the album but he was let

18:07

go what happened. He co-wrote and

18:09

he co-wrote much of it I

18:11

believe. I'm trying to real quick

18:14

look and see but he um

18:16

he wrote this he co-wrote this

18:18

song definitely with Coverdale because I

18:20

believe the story with this

18:22

song is that Coverdale had

18:24

an old demo that it

18:26

was him in Blackmore and

18:28

he took that demo and kind

18:31

of messed with it. And

18:33

then Sykes got involved

18:35

and then that's when you

18:37

get your finished product

18:40

here. But there was I

18:42

think just clashes going on

18:44

in the studio because Coverdale

18:46

had some sort of throat

18:48

issue. while they were in

18:51

the midst of trying to

18:53

get it recorded and he

18:55

just couldn't do it. He

18:57

ate one of these cake

18:59

pieces. He needed a year.

19:01

If only they had used

19:03

non-apple butter, that would have

19:05

been fine. So that's my

19:07

understanding is that there was

19:09

just some sort of personality

19:12

clash. Ego's, you know, record

19:14

company pressure, which is strange

19:16

because, you know, John Sykes

19:19

is a guy who has,

19:21

is a complete package. Yes,

19:23

incredible player, great look, all

19:26

of that stars and, you know,

19:28

the, the band that Coverdale

19:30

put together. To promote

19:32

this album, you know,

19:34

it's all designed to

19:36

be visually of the time and

19:38

you know, yeah, because they

19:41

get you the rhythm section

19:43

on this album Neil Murray

19:45

and Ainsley Dunbar It's it's

19:47

kind of like the Dazley

19:49

and Kurz Lake of Aussie

19:52

because they were actually replaced

19:54

by Tommy Aldridge and Rudy

19:56

Sars. Yes, they were very

19:58

much like So yeah, just

20:00

like for what, you know, visually

20:03

those guys weren't working, but you

20:05

know, that wasn't an issue with

20:07

Sykes. I mean, like I said,

20:09

he's got the complete package. Yeah,

20:11

so what, so those guys went

20:14

from Ozzy's band right to White

20:16

Snake, huh? Not right. No, they

20:18

were, because Arza went into Quiet

20:20

Riot. Oh, right. Okay, okay. I

20:22

don't know what Aldridge did in

20:24

the interim. Aldrich was with Ozzy.

20:27

Longer than Sarzo I thought yeah,

20:29

that's probably true Okay Yeah,

20:31

and if it wasn't enough

20:33

to have Adrian Vandenberg up

20:36

there they decided let's get

20:38

Vivian Campbell too right? Completely

20:40

ridiculous the the players that

20:42

have been in White Snake Well,

20:45

yeah, and then Vai was brought

20:47

in for the next album tour

20:49

and yeah, just kind of a

20:52

revolving door of guys, you know,

20:54

great players all, but you know,

20:56

not a whole lot of, not

20:59

a ton of chemistry going on

21:01

there. Plus Don Airey is on

21:03

this, so another link to that

21:06

old, he's on this song? That's

21:08

what I'm seeing, yeah. I didn't

21:10

know that, you know, he's credited

21:13

as playing on the album, so

21:15

looks like it. And didn't

21:17

Jericho just say... When he

21:19

was on a couple weeks ago how

21:21

deaf leopard nearly hired John Sykes

21:24

instead of Vivian Campbell He did

21:26

he did mention that was before

21:28

John Sykes passed away So that's

21:30

pretty interesting that that

21:32

was very recent that that was

21:35

brought up And I was just

21:37

I just was reading today that

21:39

Apparently John Sykes sang some backup

21:41

vocals on the adrenalize album. Oh

21:43

really I had no idea so he was

21:46

tinker or whatever he was around with

21:48

those guys Yeah, I guess it

21:50

came down, it was pretty

21:52

close. Nearly was him. Okay.

21:55

What did John Sykes do

21:57

before this? Well, he was

21:59

in... The band called, well we

22:01

did a song by them Tigers

22:03

of Pantang. Oh right, right, right. But

22:05

I don't think he was in the

22:08

band at the time of the song

22:10

that we did on the show. Because

22:12

I think that was the first. Badger,

22:15

badger, whatever. I don't think he was

22:17

on the first album. And then he

22:19

was in Thin Lizzy for a while.

22:22

Caught a great album with them Thunder

22:24

and Lightning. Okay. He has my favorite

22:26

Sykes song, Cold Sweat. But

22:29

yeah, and then he joined

22:31

White Snake. He was in

22:33

he actually kind of similar

22:36

situation he came on So

22:38

they recorded a version of

22:40

the Slided-In album With a

22:42

bunch of different guys and

22:45

then he came in and

22:47

re-recorded a bunch of parts

22:50

for the American release which

22:52

became pretty popular not

22:54

as this album was but

22:57

So this is actually his

22:59

second album with Whitesnake, but

23:01

he came in like after

23:03

they had finished sliding in

23:05

he came in redid a

23:07

bunch of parts and then

23:09

he became the guy in

23:11

the band that he toured

23:14

the album with. And then

23:16

he, you know, recorded this

23:18

album and was sacked before

23:20

they, you know, made the

23:22

videos and went on tour

23:24

with it. So just,

23:26

you know, constant drama,

23:28

which makes sense when

23:30

you're coming from Ritchie

23:32

Blackmore band, Deep Purple,

23:35

which is, you know, and

23:37

Rainbow, which never had the

23:39

same lineup from one album

23:41

to the next. Just constant.

23:43

interpersonal drum on moving guys in and

23:45

out. That must be so exhausting. Do

23:48

fans get, I mean, fans get exasperated,

23:50

right? I mean, like, you might be

23:52

a huge Megadeth fan, but after a

23:54

while, it's like, all right. Yeah. Like,

23:56

why do you expect us to keep

23:59

up with this? It's

24:02

true. The same thing with anything

24:04

having to do with Richie

24:06

Blackmore, except for Blackmore's night, which

24:08

he's stuck with for a

24:10

while. Well, but I'm sure he's,

24:12

him and his wife, and

24:14

I'm sure they've had multiple people

24:16

in and out for the

24:18

rest of the year. I mean,

24:20

for me, it didn't hinder

24:23

the quality of rainbow at all.

24:25

I mean, all those albums are

24:27

great. But just at, at some point,

24:29

you kind of want some chemistry

24:31

to develop. Yeah. Here's some development

24:33

there, and it just never seems

24:35

to happen. But and also just

24:37

when you're a fan of a

24:39

band, you, you know, it's like

24:41

a team. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh,

24:43

yeah. You would you're going to go

24:46

see them? Are you going to?

24:48

Hey, what did these guys do this

24:50

time on this album? Oh, that's

24:52

all new guys. Right. But then what

24:54

we're what we're seeing with the

24:56

current incarnation of Foreigner, which doesn't have

24:58

any original numbers. Mick Jones, physically

25:00

incapable of performing anymore, but they're going

25:02

to be back on tour this

25:04

summer. That's that's

25:06

an example of a band. Nobody gives

25:08

a shit who's in it. Yeah,

25:10

it's just the name and the songs.

25:12

So well, especially at this point,

25:14

right? Because it's well, certainly at this

25:16

point, you're going to just go.

25:18

You want to go hear the hits

25:20

while you're drinking beer and I

25:23

think Foreigner, yeah, Foreigner, you're going to

25:25

get people who who don't care

25:27

if it's, say, Rainbow, these people who

25:29

are big Rainbow fans, they do

25:31

know exactly who played on it. That's

25:33

true. They pay attention to it.

25:35

It's a different crowd. And at the

25:37

time, Rainbow is, you know, at

25:39

their peak, it's like, you know,

25:41

Foreigner is full on the legacy

25:43

band, obviously. But I'm just saying

25:45

that it could go either way,

25:48

really. But let's just call it,

25:50

let's call a spade a spade.

25:52

It's normal people versus nerds is

25:54

what we're talking Well, true. Yes,

25:56

exactly. Right. So

25:58

we have to mention Blue Mer... of course.

26:00

Well, so we I guess we

26:02

do, but you know what, and

26:05

I've kept my mouth shut for

26:07

this week because, you know, want

26:09

to be somewhat respectful,

26:11

but one of the biggest

26:13

disappointments I've

26:15

ever had was that blue murder

26:18

album. I mean, I remember getting

26:20

it when I was at the

26:22

student newspaper, Sykes, Carmenapacy. Tony Franklin

26:24

from the firm. I'm like, this

26:26

is going to be the greatest

26:28

thing ever. Went home and listened

26:31

to it. And I was like,

26:33

I don't really like this. I

26:35

think didn't do it for me.

26:37

I suppose I should revisit it.

26:39

But yeah, I tried back in

26:41

the day, listen to it multiple

26:44

times. I just couldn't get into

26:46

it. It's a bad feeling, isn't it?

26:48

Especially, well, I guess it was free,

26:50

but you were still excited about it.

26:53

Well, I mean, you were still. I

26:55

don't know it didn't didn't work

26:57

for me so well that's the

26:59

other huge bad people love that.

27:01

Oh yeah I mean that's that's

27:03

I wouldn't say on the same

27:05

level in this regard but it's

27:07

it's up there near King's X

27:10

as far as people talking about

27:12

how great this band is and

27:14

how and how yeah and how

27:16

really it should have been huge

27:18

and how great it was you

27:20

know it's one of those bands

27:23

that you know they they had

27:25

little bit of success in the

27:27

mainstream, but not nearly as much

27:30

as a lot of fans would

27:32

have thought that they deserve.

27:34

Oh yeah, people, I'm in

27:36

the minority with my take

27:38

on it. People worship that

27:41

band and that album and

27:43

I don't know, it just

27:45

didn't work for me. I

27:47

suppose I should revisit it, see

27:49

if I can... come around a little bit.

27:51

Just one album or they did a couple?

27:53

They did two I think? They were a

27:56

couple. Okay. And the same and true to

27:58

form the second one had a different line

28:00

up and it's just like I don't

28:02

know you just can't get any traction

28:05

that way I wouldn't think. And I

28:07

was reading I think if Chris didn't

28:09

know this already I think this would

28:12

be an interesting tidbit for him

28:14

a band that I know he likes.

28:16

Apparently John Sykes was initially the singer

28:18

guitar player of what became the winery

28:21

dogs. Oh okay. Before Cotson was involved.

28:23

I knew that him in Portnoy were

28:25

working on some stuff, but yeah.

28:27

It's another thing. It's hard to keep

28:30

track of all these guys as side

28:32

projects they got going on. But yeah,

28:34

now it's a monster player getting a,

28:37

you know, the tributes to them online

28:39

are numerous and all, every one

28:41

of them deserved. So he's not in

28:43

the music video for this song, right?

28:46

He's not. He's not. Okay. Is Vivian

28:48

Campbell? And Adrian Vandenberg. Both, huh? And

28:50

Tommy Aldrich. And Rudy Sarzo. So completely

28:53

stacked lineup. But basically as soon

28:55

as the record was done, it was,

28:57

I need all new guys. Yeah, that's

28:59

pretty good. And I don't, I'm trying

29:02

to remember if I read it or

29:04

heard it somewhere, but I think Coverdale,

29:06

kind of on purpose was like,

29:08

all right, all right, we have. We

29:11

have the music, we gotta have the

29:13

visual now, like we gotta, we gotta,

29:15

we gotta have guys up there who

29:18

are gonna sell it visually. So

29:20

that was a part of the concern

29:22

too, huh? Yeah, but I wanna say

29:24

it. It wouldn't apply to John's son.

29:27

No, you know. He's got, he had

29:29

a complete package for that style music.

29:31

That was just a total ego

29:33

thing, personality thing, control thing, whatever you

29:36

wanna call it. Because even at the

29:38

minuscule level of bands, well I don't

29:40

want to speak for Chris, but bands

29:43

Nick and I were in, when you

29:45

had to replace someone and teach

29:47

them stuff, it's a pain in the

29:49

ass. Imagine having to do that like

29:52

every year, like these guys, every two

29:54

years or whatever. Yeah, but I mean

29:56

when you're at the pro level it

29:59

becomes a lot easier. I guess

30:01

it's not as much teaching. At that

30:03

point you can hire Brad Gillis and

30:05

he'll listen to the album and learn

30:08

it in a week. Right, that's true.

30:10

I guess you're not sitting down with

30:12

them in this than this and this but

30:15

just and you're not dealing with somebody

30:17

who's like I know all my modes, I

30:19

don't need to practice the material,

30:21

I'll just show up and learn.

30:23

I'll feel it. And the guy

30:25

shows up and he doesn't know

30:27

it. That doesn't happen on white

30:29

snakes level. I guess you're right,

30:32

I didn't think of it that

30:34

way. These guys are a different

30:36

type of creature than we've ever

30:38

encountered. So anyway, real quick, I

30:40

didn't get a hit on the

30:42

number that was on the

30:44

list. So why

30:49

not

30:52

do

30:54

1987?

30:58

Okay.

31:01

Hit

31:04

it!

31:13

All right a little

31:15

softball for Nick. Who

31:17

was the Pope in

31:19

1987? Oh, that would be

31:21

now St. Pope John Paul

31:24

II. Yep, you are

31:26

correct. In under the

31:29

wire December 30th in

31:31

1987. Pope John Paul

31:34

II issues the encyclical

31:37

solicitudo re sociolus on

31:39

social concern. Oh good.

31:41

What is that, some

31:43

sort of essay or

31:45

in cyclical? A circular letter

31:48

sent to all the churches

31:50

of a particular area in

31:52

the ancient Roman church. There

31:55

you go. Yeah, that's... About what?

31:57

What was the last part of

31:59

it? Social condition? Yeah, on

32:01

social concern. This was about

32:04

when the Gorky Park thing

32:06

was about to happen. Perhaps

32:08

it was in response to

32:11

this. Perhaps it was in

32:13

response to this, which happened

32:15

a week prior to that,

32:17

and I'd be totally remiss

32:20

if I didn't mention it,

32:22

handily enough it's right above

32:24

it in Wikipedia, December 23rd,

32:27

1987. Nicki Six, Motley Cruise

32:29

bassist, overdoses on heroin, and

32:31

has declared clinically dead for

32:33

two minutes before a paramedic

32:36

revives him with two syringes

32:38

full of adrenaline. So that's

32:40

what it was about. Maybe

32:43

that was the social concern

32:45

that Pope John Bullisaka was

32:47

talking. I'm sure there was

32:49

civil unrest when the news

32:52

hit the battle. Somebody just

32:54

killed Nicki Sickle. Hope John

32:56

Paul saw this from above

32:59

and decided to issue the

33:01

is cyclical on social concern.

33:03

So there you go. All

33:06

right. So Pope stuff will

33:08

be on pause for February

33:10

since we're not probably going

33:12

off the list there. So

33:15

there you go. By popular

33:17

request. Yeah. The Pope stuff.

33:19

All right. Well, obviously, we're

33:22

not going to do the

33:24

video because he's not in

33:26

the video anyway. Yeah, we

33:28

don't need the video. I

33:31

mean, we could, you know,

33:33

drool at Tawney, Cateane, and

33:35

the kind of the sex

33:38

police thing that happens at

33:40

the end, but yeah, this

33:42

is a... This is about

33:44

John's sake, so yeah, we

33:47

I don't think we need

33:49

the video. No long song,

33:51

huh? It is six minutes

33:54

and change, right? 638. Yeah.

33:56

Okay. Well, why don't we

33:58

take it? quick

34:01

commercial break we'll

34:03

be right

34:05

back with still

34:07

of the

34:10

night can you

34:12

go back to the beginning that's

34:14

slide unbelievable well that's one

34:16

of his trademarks us you know

34:19

and huge a lot of

34:21

people do it a lot of

34:23

people did it before but

34:25

he just like kind of owned

34:27

that you know down the

34:29

fretboard kind of thing that became

34:31

a trademark of his

34:34

playing taking it back for Nick okay

34:55

I just wanted to stop it here just

34:57

for a moment we have

34:59

a couple seconds left

35:01

of vocals obviously and

35:04

then we're going to

35:06

have what I consider

35:08

the greatest and sexiest

35:10

riff in

35:13

hard rock guitar history

35:15

sexy and greatest

35:17

riff in guitar there yeah

35:19

John Sykes was a sexy

35:21

guy you can say that

35:23

you know like again the

35:26

look the the swagger on

35:28

stage massive swagger from this

35:30

guy and then like Nick

35:33

observe just that you know

35:35

that the beginning of the

35:37

song and just everything about

35:39

it and this is another

35:41

one that just exploded out of

35:44

the speaker when you get when

35:46

you heard on the radio or

35:48

even had the CD just you

35:50

know this is one that you

35:52

just go to the volume knob turn

35:54

it up as high as it will

35:56

go and this is what a Keith

35:58

Olson joint the producer Um, well, you

36:01

know what, I don't remember.

36:03

I missed that. I can

36:05

find it. I had it

36:07

up. And I lost it.

36:09

I also am looking. It's,

36:12

uh, Mike Stone, Keith Olson

36:14

are listed as producers. Yeah.

36:16

Huge sound. And Greg Fulganetti

36:18

of Mastering. And whatever those

36:20

guys did. This is like

36:23

the... Just before Bob Rock

36:25

kind of took over these

36:27

huge sounding hard rock albums

36:29

This is the high watermark

36:31

for that until he came

36:34

around and interesting that you

36:36

mentioned that because Apparently, they

36:38

had a little bit of

36:40

difficulty getting Sykes, the guitar

36:42

tone that he wanted, but

36:45

they found it with the

36:47

help of Coverdale's friend and

36:49

engineer Bob Rock. Oh, well,

36:51

there you go. That explains

36:53

a lot. What was that,

36:56

Engineer's name again? Mike Stone.

36:58

No, he certainly didn't give

37:00

them the half-ganitty on this.

37:02

No. No, he certainly did

37:04

not. And it apparently Ron

37:07

Nevison was involved to some

37:09

extent and it just didn't

37:11

work out with him apparently.

37:13

Oh, yeah, but Like Nick

37:15

said earlier just a stacked

37:17

line up all the top

37:20

talent and LA and hard

37:22

rock scene was involved. Everyone's

37:24

popping in and out. And

37:26

it worked I mean it's

37:28

one of the biggest albums

37:31

of the 80s, but yeah,

37:33

just sonically This one just

37:35

Just grabbed you out of

37:37

the speed and just super

37:39

aggressive point like the attack

37:42

of Sykes has well super

37:44

aggressive everything he ever did

37:46

is just you know, he's

37:48

the guy not a

37:50

shrinking violet

37:53

by any stretch

37:55

of imagination.

37:57

I mean, still,

37:59

you know,

38:01

not to the

38:04

point where

38:06

he like took

38:08

over and was

38:10

out of place. I mean, he

38:12

always fit in to whatever he did,

38:14

but it was anything you listen

38:16

to that he's involved in, you just

38:18

like blown away by the guitar

38:21

playing. Then when you watch him in

38:23

action, you're just like, this guy's

38:25

a complete package. And then when you hear

38:27

him sing. Oh, the singing. like, what?

38:30

Too much, right? It's like when

38:32

we did that Winger episode,

38:34

we're like, why? Why one guy

38:36

can do all this? Yeah,

38:38

yeah, complete package, so. All

38:41

right, here we go, Nick. I'm

38:44

feeling heavy, tellin' me I've gotta have

38:46

more. I'm feeling

38:48

heavy, more. I'm

38:56

feeling more. seen

38:58

four more cars, tellin'

39:01

me, once it

39:03

slow, my heart started

39:05

aching, my body

39:07

started shaking, it can't

39:09

take no more,

39:11

I wanted to ask Chris,

39:14

what he thought of the drum

39:16

sound on this? Oh,

39:18

was good. I mean, still

39:23

not the snare sound that I

39:25

like, but it's, you know,

39:27

huge and appropriate for the music

39:29

and and then certainly better

39:31

than most the other drum sounds

39:33

that had preceded it in

39:36

the 80s so I was good

39:38

with that. I think there's

39:40

a great kick sound. Yeah, oh

39:42

yeah. In particular. And I

39:44

was I I mean when I

39:46

you want to talk about

39:48

music nerd you know you get

39:50

the the CD or whatever the first

39:52

thing I do is I go

39:54

and look who's playing on it. I

39:56

see Ainsley Dunbar. I'm like this

39:58

is cool because he was was in

40:00

journey early well I think

40:02

he was the original drummer

40:05

journey when they were instrumental

40:07

mostly instrumental band and then

40:09

was in the Infinity the

40:11

first album with Perry and

40:13

then he split. Did he

40:15

play with Santana? No I

40:18

don't believe so but then

40:20

he went on to Jefferson

40:22

Starship for a little while

40:24

but I thought it was

40:26

I thought it was awesome

40:29

that he was on the

40:31

album. He had big shoes

40:33

to fill because Cozy Powell

40:35

was the drummer on the

40:38

White Slide In, which is

40:40

terrific album. You want to

40:42

talk about a great drum

40:45

sound from your favorite Martin

40:47

Birch. to record that one,

40:49

Nick's favorite guy. Simon Burns.

40:52

Yeah, right. Everybody else knows

40:54

him as Martin, Nick, calls

40:56

him Simon. Kind of like

40:58

how I call Quincy Cavaccini,

41:01

who just take names for

41:03

people. It's nothing to do

41:05

with him. You just decide

41:07

to hold on to the

41:09

right name. Right, exactly. So

41:12

I mean, you know. Big

41:14

shoes to fill but he

41:16

was a legend in drum

41:18

circles already and I was you

41:21

know dating back to the 60s

41:23

so and then Neil Murray who

41:25

was the base player from

41:27

sliding in and played with

41:29

Gary Moore and some other

41:31

people so I was like

41:33

totally stoked about the lineup.

41:36

It's very um it's like

41:38

there's a lot of few bands

41:40

it seems like that As far

41:43

as this project the

41:45

white snake album, it's

41:47

you've got Gary Moore

41:49

You've got thin lizzy which

41:51

they cross paths if I'm

41:54

not mistaken in some

41:56

ways Then you've got

41:58

you've got well I mean,

42:00

it's not an, well, where is

42:02

he on the album? Did Vivian

42:05

Campbell play anything or no? Was

42:07

he just on like live stuff?

42:09

I didn't play anything on the

42:11

album. He wasn't on the actual

42:13

album because I think Adrian Vandenberg

42:16

played the solo on this. I

42:18

think. He played a, he's credited

42:20

with a solo on, I can't

42:22

remember what, and then like. I

42:24

think the studio guy Dan Hof

42:27

did the guitar solo for the

42:29

radio mix. Yeah, it's eight Vandenberg

42:31

to the guitar solo on the

42:33

album version of Here I Go

42:35

Again. Okay, but not the song.

42:38

Dan Hof did the solo on

42:40

the radio mix. Okay. But it

42:42

looks like Sykes is the, he's

42:44

playing all guitars on this version,

42:46

this particular song. As far as

42:49

I can. It looks like. Yeah.

42:51

But it's just interesting like a

42:53

You know pretty much anyone having

42:55

to do with Ritchie Blackmore and

42:57

Then Finn Lizzy. Yeah and Gary

43:00

Moore I guess well it's like

43:02

yeah if you played with Gary

43:04

Moore Well in Ian Pace was

43:06

in white steak for a while

43:08

he was in Gary Moore's band.

43:10

So yeah a lot of paths

43:13

crossing here Well if you were

43:15

in that scene you could get

43:17

a job with somebody, huh? And

43:19

there's always a job available, so

43:21

yeah. That's

44:00

great over here, baby. Yeah,

44:02

I don't think we talked

44:04

about the lyrics at all.

44:07

I mean, of course, it's

44:09

Coverdale and it's awesome and it

44:11

sounds like three people singing

44:13

at the same time because

44:15

he's able to do that somehow.

44:18

Lyrically, I mean, it

44:20

fits perfectly with musically,

44:22

you know, it's like, it's one

44:24

of those songs where everything

44:27

comes together. Yeah, and what

44:29

what he's you know, just

44:31

feel your body heat and

44:33

all that. It's just you

44:35

know, it's it's perfect

44:38

perfect lyrics for the

44:40

song And I something I

44:42

read In doing a minimal

44:45

research for this episode, but

44:47

he said that it

44:49

originally the demo the

44:52

idea that he had

44:54

jailhouse rock was the

44:56

inspiration Which I guess is interesting because

44:58

you got the two chords at data. Yeah,

45:00

you know, so I guess okay Then there's

45:03

some singing and the data and so I

45:05

Can hear it now a little bit now

45:07

that I read that, but I never would

45:09

have Never would have thought of that. That's

45:12

interesting It changed definitely, but I guess

45:14

you could still you could probably play

45:16

it that way and be like oh,

45:18

okay. I see where they're coming

45:20

from Yeah, and apparently that's that

45:23

was kind of his reference point

45:25

at the at the beginning of

45:27

it Yeah, Tommy Lombardozi said Ainsley

45:29

Dunbar Bowie drummer and I'm looking

45:32

at this guy's Wikipedia. I

45:34

Didn't he played with everybody who ever

45:36

lived. He was in mothers of invention.

45:39

Yeah, Jeff Beck journey Jefferson Starship. I'm

45:41

just name of some of them Ian

45:43

Hunter Lou Reed David Bowie White Snake

45:45

Sammy Hagar Michael Shanker For everybody. Yeah,

45:48

I didn't yet. I knew it was

45:50

extensive, but yeah, I didn't realize that.

45:52

So, God. What does it say about

45:55

him that he was in a different

45:57

band every six months of his life?

45:59

Yeah, I don't know. I don't

46:02

know, but he he got jobs

46:04

with bigger and bigger people apparently.

46:06

Plus if you're in the mothers

46:09

of invention, then you've got to

46:11

be a maniac. You've got you're

46:13

a maniac at your instrument and

46:15

you're as a person. You're a consummate

46:18

performer. Yeah, yeah. You might not necessarily

46:20

be in a band like this though.

46:22

Right. How Vai. Vai was, but I

46:24

mean. Bozio was never really in a

46:26

band like this. Well, but he was

46:28

in he was in missing persons, which

46:30

was like kind of a 80s pop

46:32

band. But you would think that once

46:35

like the big like white snake type

46:37

like I don't know if we call it

46:39

hair metal, but whatever that era you think

46:41

Bozio would be perfect to be in a

46:43

a band like that, but I don't know

46:45

that he I don't know his career that

46:47

well. So someone out there can correct me,

46:49

but you would think that he would have

46:51

been a drummer in like a huge band.

46:53

He was, he played in Phantomos.

46:55

Oh, he's like this, okay. He

46:58

played Phantom of the same. He

47:00

did for The Live, I got

47:02

two. Okay. Well, I mean, missing

47:05

persons was pretty huge. They were

47:07

at the Us Festival. And he

47:09

played on one of Jeff Beck

47:12

solo albums. So, yeah. But

47:14

it's surprising that he was never, I guess,

47:16

we'll just say white snake. He was never

47:18

in white snake for any period of time.

47:20

Just seemed like one of those guys that

47:22

would have been perfect. I wonder if he

47:24

got offered the jobs, he just turned him down.

47:26

Yeah. All right, let's see what happens next.

47:48

Is there a little like a is there

47:50

a vampire kind of vibe going on? I

47:53

never really thought about that lyric Walk me

47:55

through it Nick. What's going on? Alright if

47:57

you could can you go up just a

47:59

little bit? There you go. In

48:01

the heat of the day I

48:03

hang my head down low and

48:06

hide my face from the sun

48:08

Through the light of the day

48:10

until the evening time waiting for

48:13

the night to come I Think

48:15

he's more just a nocturnal party

48:17

guy, you know, yeah, it's interesting

48:20

that vampires Where wolves vampire is

48:22

like about a wolf howling, but

48:24

that's what I'm saying. There's a

48:27

little bit of a Creature feature

48:29

subject matter going into himself as

48:31

some sort of animal. Yeah, makes

48:34

sense for Coverdale. You know how

48:36

that is when you're a young

48:38

man? I don't, I don't know.

48:40

You don't know. You don't know.

48:43

Okay, we'll see. Man of a

48:45

certain age. Okay. Horny. Yeah, extremely.

48:47

This is what happens. Well, I'm

48:50

with you so far. And Sykes

48:52

is a horny guy too, you

48:54

know, so the two of them

48:57

coming together, you know, you know,

48:59

that's going to make for some

49:01

potent potent material. But as we

49:04

know there can only be one

49:06

horny guy super horny guy in

49:08

the band and Sykes got kicked

49:11

out because of it. There's an

49:13

alpha horny male usually. It's true

49:15

I swear I mean it's like

49:18

you know it's like athletes or

49:20

whatever you know that it's hard

49:22

for multiple alphas to coexist and

49:25

the musical version is horny guys.

49:27

Getting all the action backstage and

49:29

becomes a problem and a competition

49:31

and his covered ails band he

49:34

bounced him I

50:14

never noticed that low over

50:16

the second one. I'd never

50:18

really pay attention to the

50:21

bass chords. Billy Shee and

50:23

Esk bass chords happening there.

50:25

Yeah, me neither. Interesting. Never

50:27

listen to it like this.

50:30

Heard it a million times,

50:32

but yeah. And yeah, and

50:34

this sort of arrangement in

50:36

the way it sort of dropped

50:39

down to this middle section

50:41

drew the... Zeppelin comparisons to

50:43

a whole lot of love and

50:45

stuff like that. So that's this

50:48

is this is they kind of

50:50

kicked in a little bit

50:52

the Zeppelin comparisons with slow

50:54

and easy and previous album

50:56

and then this this really

50:58

just like took them over the top.

51:00

But again you know my you know

51:02

my take on that it's like in and

51:05

at the market cornered on this

51:07

sort of thing and you can

51:09

be a There's nothing wrong with

51:11

being inspired by some of the

51:14

greatest rock music ever recorded and

51:16

putting your own personal stamp on

51:18

it and that's what they're doing

51:21

here. And if I'm not mistaken,

51:23

I could have the timeline mixed

51:25

up but I think it was

51:28

when Vinny Vincent Invasion had just

51:30

finished recording Ashes to Ashes off

51:32

of the All Systems Go album, the

51:34

opening track I'm pretty sure. They were

51:37

very, I think it was that that

51:39

was the song that I heard the

51:41

story about. They were very excited about

51:43

it. It's going to be huge and

51:46

everything. And then they heard still the

51:48

night and they were like, oh no,

51:50

it does the same kind of thing

51:52

with like kind of Zeppelin-esque,

51:55

but then having the sort of

51:57

breakdown in the middle like this.

52:00

And also, if you've

52:02

done something similar to

52:04

this and you hear this,

52:06

you're like, okay, we're

52:08

done. Our version is

52:10

not approaching this. This

52:12

is one of the

52:14

greatest hard rock, certainly

52:16

of the 80s, possibly

52:18

of all time, one of

52:21

the most pristine, perfect examples

52:23

of this style music. Yeah,

52:25

if you were attempting this

52:27

and then somehow you heard this

52:29

before your version came out, you're

52:32

like, okay, should we even

52:34

release our version? What do

52:36

we do? Yeah, what a punch

52:38

to the gut that is.

52:40

Yeah, you know, it's a

52:42

thing. You never know who's gonna

52:44

come. come along and blow you

52:47

out of the water on

52:49

that way and you know

52:51

this stuff is just you

52:53

know commands your attention

52:56

and just masterfully masterfully

52:58

written, performed, produced, everything checks

53:00

all the boxes, everything elite

53:03

tier quality. I guess that's

53:05

just like any type of

53:08

product you think okay we

53:10

just got 100,000 of these

53:12

made and it's awesome and it's

53:15

awesome and then something else

53:17

comes out. Yeah, and it's like,

53:19

wait a minute, this is better

53:22

than our design. Yeah. Like we,

53:24

ours was good. We're gonna lose

53:26

our shirt on this. But now,

53:28

George Foreman just came out with

53:30

this. What are we gonna do?

53:33

Yeah, we're toast. Well, and it's

53:35

along those lines. I mean, I

53:37

just kind of have to mention

53:39

it, but you know. Metallica did

53:41

the Injustice for All album, which

53:44

as we know is lacking in

53:46

bass guitar and just super dry

53:48

production. And then they heard Dr.

53:50

Fieldgoode and Lars is like, okay,

53:52

we need to sound like that

53:55

on our next album and they did.

53:57

And it's the biggest album in their

53:59

career. I'm guessing the apple butterloaf

54:01

was not that super dry

54:04

of a production since it's

54:06

all gone. Injustice for almost

54:08

good. Well, yeah, there you

54:10

go. That's what it's, that's

54:12

the name of that bank

54:14

tree. Hey, I told the

54:16

flavor was great. It was

54:19

just, I was expecting it

54:21

to be a little more

54:23

moisture. A little richer than

54:25

it was, but you know,

54:27

people love injustice for all

54:29

as I do. Certain things

54:31

have their own character to

54:34

it. But this, you know,

54:36

this, I did not know.

54:38

And as the saying goes

54:40

these days, I was today

54:42

years old when I realized

54:44

that Bob Rock was involved

54:46

in this album, and now

54:49

it makes complete sense, because

54:51

massive sounding stuff that he

54:53

was involved in. He just

54:55

kind of pioneered that. production

54:57

that just overwhelmed you when

54:59

you hear it when you

55:01

heard it. Sorry

55:35

to stop it again, but I

55:37

never knew he said need to

55:39

be closer and that might be

55:41

my favorite lyric of the song

55:43

had no idea Yeah, I never

55:45

knew that either Okay,

56:23

I'm not entirely sure how

56:25

they achieved that in the

56:27

studio, but I know in

56:29

the video the Vandenberg bust

56:31

out the violinbo for that

56:34

part, which is again Something

56:36

that Jimmy Page did during

56:38

his guitar solo and Davis

56:40

confused was one of the

56:42

first guys to Bust out

56:45

the violin bow on the

56:47

electric guitar and it sure

56:49

sounds like it to me.

56:51

So I Sounds like they

56:53

You know Did that in the

56:56

studio, but they could

56:58

have achieved it another way,

57:00

but they really totally reinforced

57:03

it in the video. So

57:05

I will say that on

57:07

Wikipedia at least it's

57:10

Sykes is credited with guitar

57:12

and bode guitar. And then

57:14

when clicking on bode guitar,

57:16

I thought it was gonna

57:18

be a special instrument. It's

57:20

just basically the Jimmy Page

57:22

technique. Right. It's just taking

57:24

the violin bode of the

57:26

electric guitar. But sounds great.

57:28

Oh, I mean, like sounds very clean.

57:31

Yeah. And whoever's idea was to do

57:33

this and arrange it that way.

57:35

The chef's kiss to that one.

57:37

I mean just one of

57:39

the many top tier elements

57:41

of this song Do you do

57:43

you think that one song that

57:46

I? Would I don't think it's

57:48

thrown into the conversation really?

57:50

When you hear this type

57:52

of breakdown, but I think

57:55

it should is the title

57:57

track off of No More

57:59

Tears. Oh yeah. I mean I

58:01

would think maybe there was, it

58:04

was a few years had passed

58:06

and maybe they were like, hey

58:08

maybe we could, I don't know,

58:10

I'd never read anything that said

58:12

that this was an influence

58:15

on making that decision

58:17

to have that big sort

58:20

of orchestral breakdown,

58:22

but I'd say it's entirely

58:24

possible. Well and

58:26

just the overall

58:28

hugeness the sound

58:31

you know this

58:33

this album kind

58:36

of changed everything

58:39

for that Really

58:41

in my opinion,

58:43

but Who produced

58:46

no more tears

58:48

looking at it?

58:50

I don't remember

58:53

Michael Wagner did some

58:55

mixing but yeah just

58:57

this one changed the

58:59

game in terms of you

59:01

know this style of music

59:04

and just the massiveness of

59:06

the sound and you know

59:09

they just got it everything

59:11

completely right on

59:13

this one. So

59:42

I've never in my life taken

59:44

a bow to the guitar. Yeah.

59:46

I don't know either of you

59:48

guys have. But if you're

59:50

recording something like this, do

59:52

you take all the strings off

59:55

that you don't need? Because

59:57

it's going to be messy, right?

59:59

Yeah. There's no way to be like

1:00:01

really precise with it. I don't know. I

1:00:04

think in the studio you would definitely do

1:00:06

that. Or mute the strings that are

1:00:08

not being utilized. Yeah, because that

1:00:10

would be, I mean, that would be really

1:00:12

hard to, I mean, because if Page did

1:00:15

it live, right, you could hear all six

1:00:17

strings kind of making noise. But he was

1:00:19

also. Blasted on heroin and

1:00:21

known for just being completely sloppy

1:00:24

on stage yet awesome at the

1:00:26

same time. So he wasn't concerned

1:00:28

about that and the sadest. I

1:00:30

mean nowadays you see all these

1:00:33

fucking guitar dorks. They have what

1:00:35

looks like a scrunchy up around

1:00:37

the headstock. Have you seen that?

1:00:39

Yes, I don't think so. That's

1:00:41

a new thing, whatever it is,

1:00:43

but it goes like right over

1:00:45

the headstock just behind the nut

1:00:48

to sort of deaden like the

1:00:50

open the strings that aren't

1:00:52

being utilized really to me

1:00:55

constitutes I don't get hung up on

1:00:57

it but it seems like kind of

1:00:59

cheating to me but you

1:01:01

know nobody ever needed that back

1:01:04

in the day and nobody cared

1:01:06

that it was happening so I mean

1:01:08

I could understand doing that in

1:01:10

the studio just to get the

1:01:13

cleanest recording you possibly could but

1:01:15

doing it on stage that's not

1:01:17

gonna make it and nobody's gonna

1:01:20

hear that that's true this look

1:01:22

like you have a fucking scrunchy

1:01:24

on the end of your guitar yeah

1:01:27

terrible look What

1:02:24

a build up. Well, yeah,

1:02:26

incredible. Again, the drama of

1:02:29

it, the composition, the pure

1:02:31

swagger out of this guy.

1:02:34

Just amazing stuff. Interesting, like,

1:02:36

unconventional guitar solo spot there.

1:02:39

Just sort of, just sort

1:02:41

of, almost like, just like

1:02:43

a longer Randy Rhodes type fill

1:02:45

instead of like a proper solo.

1:02:48

Right. Just kind of happened. Incidentally,

1:02:50

it's with the rest of what

1:02:52

was going on. But I mean,

1:02:55

a song like this, you don't

1:02:57

really need it. There's so much

1:02:59

going on as far as craftsmanship

1:03:02

of what the guitar is

1:03:04

playing that you don't really

1:03:06

need to have just some

1:03:08

sort of riff being played

1:03:10

repetitively and soloing over it. Yeah.

1:03:13

There's nothing missing here. No, not

1:03:15

at all. And just the mood

1:03:17

that it took, they could have

1:03:19

faded it out. on that part

1:03:21

right before the the

1:03:24

all-time greatest hard rock

1:03:26

guitar riff came back.

1:03:29

They could have faded

1:03:31

it out and it

1:03:34

would have been I think

1:03:36

a success but

1:03:38

the fact that they

1:03:40

brought it back to that

1:03:42

and the mood changed

1:03:45

was yeah really great

1:03:47

effect. throw something out

1:03:49

there for the guitar

1:03:51

nerds. So he was

1:03:54

Sykes Marshall guy with

1:03:56

thin lizzy and Tigers

1:03:58

of Pantan. but around

1:04:01

this time he'd switch

1:04:03

to the Mesa Boogie

1:04:05

Mark III blue stripe

1:04:08

Colosseum heads. One

1:04:10

of the rarest of

1:04:13

Mesa's amps. The

1:04:15

Colosseum's output a staggering

1:04:17

180 watts via 6-6L6

1:04:19

tubes. providing immense headroom

1:04:22

and thunderous low end

1:04:24

so also associated with

1:04:26

one of the legendary

1:04:28

amps ever made and

1:04:30

And that's a big

1:04:33

big contributor to his

1:04:35

his sound certainly from

1:04:37

this era so guitar guitar

1:04:39

nerds any guitar nerd worth

1:04:42

their salt you hear John

1:04:44

Sykes you immediately think the

1:04:47

Mesa Coliseum heads and 180

1:04:49

watts is ridiculous

1:04:52

power. I mean the only thing

1:04:54

I can think of more powerful

1:04:56

is the Marshall Major 200 watts

1:04:59

that Blackmore used to use. It's

1:05:01

ridiculous so you know I'd be

1:05:04

remar- remiss as a guitar nerd

1:05:06

if I didn't bring that up

1:05:08

on my show. How do you

1:05:11

mic that? It's like a lot

1:05:13

of pressure I'm sure. Well you

1:05:16

put the fucking amp Across the

1:05:18

studio and you have Sykes the

1:05:20

control room you have completely isolated

1:05:23

because otherwise the volume would just

1:05:25

blow everybody else out of the

1:05:27

room But I mean like with

1:05:29

various angles and distances from the

1:05:32

from the app That's got to

1:05:34

be probably six mics on it

1:05:36

Yeah, everything and you know just

1:05:38

triple tracked and all that stuff go

1:05:40

down the list of excess.

1:05:43

It's involved in this. But

1:05:45

it doesn't, I mean, it's

1:05:47

not like overly done. Everything

1:05:49

is, like I said

1:05:51

before, is perfect. Everything

1:05:53

dialed in perfectly for

1:05:55

this type of, type of

1:05:58

music. It's

1:06:00

still the night I feel my

1:06:02

heart beating heavy Tell me I

1:06:04

gotta have more Ooh,

1:06:09

mama Now

1:06:15

I just wanna get close

1:06:17

to you Taste your love so

1:06:19

sweet Now I just wanna

1:06:21

be loved to you Feel your

1:06:23

body It's

1:06:27

still the night Ooh,

1:06:31

yeah And I

1:06:33

will say when I saw

1:06:35

White Snake up the street

1:06:37

at the Horseshoe Casino with

1:06:39

Alderage on drums That

1:06:42

drum part where he did all

1:06:44

the triplets and the double bass

1:06:47

stuff I mean the song,

1:06:49

the whole song was awesome to

1:06:51

witness But when I knew that was

1:06:53

coming up my eyes were just

1:06:55

fixated on Alderage He's just going berserk

1:06:57

behind the kid who's fucking great

1:06:59

He's still awesome Oh yeah, he

1:07:02

still looks the same And what

1:07:04

is he? He's gonna be

1:07:06

70, right? He's

1:07:08

got to be past

1:07:10

70 Yeah, but yeah,

1:07:12

that was a pleasure

1:07:14

to watch that guy

1:07:16

perform Incredible

1:07:18

player But Dunbar

1:07:21

is the man on

1:07:23

this recording That's

1:07:25

the thing, you know,

1:07:27

you see the

1:07:29

videos and people who

1:07:31

are kind of

1:07:33

somewhat familiar with the Blizzard

1:07:35

of Osband And they just

1:07:37

assume it's Arizona Alderage on

1:07:39

the recordings and it's not

1:07:41

And it's, you

1:07:43

know, the

1:07:45

performances again

1:07:48

on the list

1:07:50

of everything that's just perfect

1:07:52

And Dunbar nailed it on

1:07:54

this one It's crazy just the

1:07:57

guys that are in the

1:07:59

video extremely

1:08:01

capable. Capable is an

1:08:03

understatement, but it's just

1:08:05

funny that you could

1:08:07

have gotten anybody to

1:08:09

be in the video.

1:08:11

Just good-looking, you know,

1:08:13

charismatic performers. But

1:08:16

all those guys are, like,

1:08:18

there's so much that those

1:08:20

guys have done and that

1:08:22

they were capable of doing.

1:08:24

It's just funny that those

1:08:26

are the guys for the

1:08:28

video. And, yeah, you

1:08:31

know, every, every

1:08:33

one of them,

1:08:35

unbelievable players with

1:08:37

unbelievable careers. Oh, yeah.

1:08:39

So, you know, like you

1:08:42

said, stacked line up, you

1:08:44

know, the dream team of

1:08:46

hair metal, if you will,

1:08:49

you know, just. And if

1:08:51

from all accounts the live

1:08:53

performances were outstanding with those

1:08:56

guys up there actually doing

1:08:58

it I mean and like

1:09:00

honestly who had Who had

1:09:03

a who has a better

1:09:05

backlog of guitar players is

1:09:07

it Ozzy is it Coverdale?

1:09:09

I mean that's you know,

1:09:11

that's a big a big

1:09:13

argument a big discussion, but

1:09:16

I'm just saying completely just

1:09:18

overwhelming the top guys

1:09:21

that they both have had. Well,

1:09:23

and I think that, you know,

1:09:26

I think, kind of, Ozzy set

1:09:28

that precedent, you know, certainly with

1:09:30

the solo career, that, you know,

1:09:33

when you arrive on the scene

1:09:35

as a solo artist with Randy

1:09:37

Rhodes as your guitar player,

1:09:40

you're not just going to

1:09:42

bring in some dickhead at

1:09:44

any point at the rest

1:09:46

of your career, you know.

1:09:48

And, you know, Coverdale came

1:09:51

on the scene in

1:09:53

Blackmore's band, and then,

1:09:55

you know, Whitesnake essentially

1:09:57

is solo band, and...

1:10:00

But you know Bernie Marsden

1:10:02

and Mickey Moody guys like

1:10:04

not not like blow your

1:10:06

face off guitar players,

1:10:09

but highly respected in

1:10:11

guitar circles and then

1:10:13

Sykes comes along and

1:10:15

Just torches everybody and

1:10:17

then you know Yeah, red beach has

1:10:20

been in the band Doug Aldrich,

1:10:22

you know, huge massive talents. So

1:10:24

yeah, similar, similar dynamic. Was, um,

1:10:26

did Craig Goldie ever play with

1:10:28

White Snake? Oh God, I hope

1:10:30

not. Because it seems like a

1:10:33

guy that would have. He's not

1:10:35

good enough. I'm just saying it

1:10:37

seems like a guy who would

1:10:39

have. He's a, don't get me

1:10:41

started on that. I didn't, I

1:10:43

didn't know you had an issue

1:10:45

with, with Craig Goldie. See, that's

1:10:47

the thing. You would think D.O.

1:10:50

would have that same level

1:10:52

of standard, but he allowed

1:10:54

Craig Goldy in his band.

1:10:56

I never knew about this.

1:10:58

It was a little bit

1:11:00

of static there, but you

1:11:02

know, he had Aldrich in

1:11:04

his band. Stuff like that.

1:11:06

Now, Greg Goldie is a

1:11:08

slug. Looks like an idiot.

1:11:10

Playing wise is not up

1:11:12

to par. Just terrible. I

1:11:14

had no idea. So let's

1:11:16

not. No, I've got, well,

1:11:18

that this was a thing. Yeah,

1:11:20

we've never discussed it, but I

1:11:23

bet on the guitar nerd forums.

1:11:25

I would never miss an opportunity

1:11:27

to bash Craig. Wow. He deserves

1:11:29

it. How much of that is

1:11:32

his name. It's everything. His name,

1:11:34

his look, his playing, just sucks

1:11:36

across the board. Wow. All right.

1:11:39

Let's finish it off. Well,

1:11:41

and I just wanted to, I'm looking

1:11:43

at a, there are a couple of

1:11:45

players that we didn't mention. Warren

1:11:48

D. Martini, apparently, had something

1:11:50

to do with White Snake.

1:11:52

Oh, yeah. He was a

1:11:54

man for a while. Steve

1:11:56

Ferris. Right. We know from

1:11:58

some old kiss recordings. The Mr.

1:12:00

Mr. Guy. So yeah, oh and

1:12:02

go figure John Lord played with

1:12:05

White Snake. Oh yeah, he would

1:12:07

have thought the slide it in.

1:12:09

And I mean, of course, why

1:12:12

wouldn't we mention that Marko Mendoza

1:12:14

also was a member of White

1:12:16

Snake for a little while? Oh,

1:12:19

that's yeah, he was. That's right.

1:12:21

He was in the band with

1:12:23

Beach and Aldrich. What a duo

1:12:26

that is. So, yeah, and that's

1:12:28

who I saw Tommy Aldrich playing

1:12:30

with was Marco Mendoza and Ted

1:12:33

Nugent. Andy was, Andy went with

1:12:35

me when they opened for a

1:12:37

kiss on the farewell tour. That's

1:12:40

a trio. That was, yeah. I

1:12:42

mean that I would have loved

1:12:44

to have seen yeah I would

1:12:47

appreciate that a lot more now

1:12:49

at the time I was just

1:12:51

like who are these guys you

1:12:54

know I mean we knew it

1:12:56

was Tommy Aldrich yeah I don't

1:12:58

know about you but I was

1:13:01

flipping out about that yeah and

1:13:03

then Mendoza made an impression for

1:13:05

sure talk about a total package

1:13:08

it is at his role yeah

1:13:10

yeah that that band I would

1:13:12

have liked have seen live I

1:13:14

have a mouthful food Sorry, it's

1:13:17

gonna dry you out, watch it.

1:13:19

I'll be the last one. Yeah,

1:13:21

justice for all loaf cake. Love

1:14:00

that arrangement part there

1:14:02

that carries on through

1:14:04

the rest of the

1:14:06

song. It's so simple,

1:14:09

but the song would

1:14:11

be lacking something if

1:14:13

they didn't throw that

1:14:15

in there for the

1:14:17

remainder of the song.

1:14:19

And again, watching Aldridge

1:14:21

do that. Oh yeah.

1:14:23

Awesome. Incredible. Yeah,

1:14:57

one more. What a brilliant,

1:14:59

brilliant recording. It really is.

1:15:02

It just brings to mind

1:15:04

that, so when this, that

1:15:06

album came out, I was

1:15:08

a sophomore in college, and

1:15:10

that was a year when

1:15:13

I got my first really

1:15:15

high quality component stereo system.

1:15:17

When this CD came out,

1:15:19

I was just fucking blasting

1:15:21

this out of my dorm

1:15:23

room at every opportunity. And

1:15:26

like I said, this is,

1:15:28

this is a song that

1:15:30

just begs to, you know,

1:15:32

immediately reach over to the

1:15:34

volume control and turn it

1:15:37

up as loud as you

1:15:39

could humanly listen to it.

1:15:41

Amazing, great stuff. Glad you

1:15:43

picked that too. We can't

1:15:45

get We can't get around

1:15:48

a tribute to everybody who

1:15:50

passes away and some people

1:15:52

we decide aren't worthy of

1:15:54

it on the show to

1:15:56

Sykes absolutely worthy of it.

1:15:58

And I saw a post

1:16:01

from Eddie Trunk today saying

1:16:03

like he said if you

1:16:05

know John Sykes would be

1:16:07

in disbelief over all the

1:16:09

accolades he's getting after his

1:16:12

passing it's like you had

1:16:14

no clue that you were

1:16:16

worshipped in this way. He

1:16:18

just, you know, I think

1:16:20

a lot of the record

1:16:23

company bullshit, you know, kind

1:16:25

of soured him on the

1:16:27

business and then he was

1:16:29

just, he was another guy

1:16:31

who, you know, Andy and

1:16:33

I have coined this frame,

1:16:36

this phrase, but he McCombs

1:16:38

himself. So like, eventually you

1:16:40

just got to put shit

1:16:42

out, you know. By all

1:16:44

accounts, he recorded a ton

1:16:47

of shit with Mike Portnoy

1:16:49

and a bunch of other

1:16:51

people and just like, for

1:16:53

whatever reason it wasn't either

1:16:55

up to a standard or

1:16:58

what it couldn't get anybody

1:17:00

to release it or whatever

1:17:02

it was but none of

1:17:04

it saw the light of

1:17:06

day it's just like eventually

1:17:08

you just gotta you know

1:17:11

make stuff and put it

1:17:13

out and then move on

1:17:15

to the next thing so

1:17:17

I mean if I don't

1:17:19

know who has the ownership

1:17:22

of that stuff but you

1:17:24

know if they ever put

1:17:26

out like a box set

1:17:28

of all his unreleased stuff

1:17:30

I'll be definitely interested in

1:17:33

that because by all accounts

1:17:35

he was still recording pretty

1:17:37

prolifically it just never came

1:17:39

out. Well and then you

1:17:41

know Vinny Vincent was mentioned

1:17:43

that's still I don't know

1:17:46

how many years it's been

1:17:48

since he's come out of

1:17:50

hiding still hasn't released anything.

1:17:52

It's been... several years yeah

1:17:54

and at a certain point

1:17:57

even the most die-hard fan

1:17:59

has to start to have

1:18:01

doubt creeping in. Yeah.

1:18:03

Maybe gout creeping in too.

1:18:05

I'm not sure. I don't know

1:18:07

a lot of any Vincent

1:18:10

fans, but I can imagine.

1:18:12

They might eat a lot

1:18:15

of meat, drink a lot

1:18:17

of alcohol. Fair amount of

1:18:20

gout. Sorta. Yeah. Couple comments

1:18:22

here before we vote. Where did

1:18:24

they go? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He

1:18:26

lives in a penal colony. What do

1:18:29

you expect? I'm enjoying that this nerve

1:18:31

was touched for the first time. I'm

1:18:33

surprised it didn't come out before this.

1:18:35

I think we came close to it

1:18:37

with all the angel discussion a few

1:18:40

episodes ago. I think he was involved

1:18:42

with that somehow. I think he was

1:18:44

in Jafriya. We talked about him being

1:18:46

in Jafri at one point. I kept

1:18:48

my lip shot on that one, but

1:18:51

it's been about almost 12 years and

1:18:53

this is the first time you've...

1:18:55

You've come out with your

1:18:57

truth feelings about Mr. Goldie.

1:18:59

When we're talking about him

1:19:01

on a Sykes tribute episode,

1:19:03

it's just unacceptable. The truth

1:19:05

needs to come out. All

1:19:07

right, and then another comment here,

1:19:10

Jackie Hardigan says, we need Nick

1:19:12

to draw Craig Goldie now. All

1:19:14

right, you got it. Which, you

1:19:16

got to give me a year

1:19:18

though. Okay. Yeah, we need the

1:19:21

most iconic goldie. What did Chris

1:19:23

say? Looks like an idiot. Yeah,

1:19:25

so we need, we need, looks

1:19:27

like a fucking troll on a

1:19:29

game of thorns or whatever. Well,

1:19:32

Jackie, you need to give me

1:19:34

an era, I think. Yeah, Jackie

1:19:36

can pick the era and then

1:19:38

we'll do a framed goldie, signed

1:19:41

goldie. Oh goodness. All right. Well,

1:19:43

it's time to vote. I see

1:19:45

8687 gold. We never even discussed

1:19:48

that offline either. No idea. This

1:19:50

was the first I just brought

1:19:53

it up because I thought well,

1:19:55

he's a guy who's mentioned Yeah,

1:19:57

he sucks all the way around

1:20:00

his name everything about him

1:20:02

is terrible. Oh my.

1:20:05

All right. Ten vote,

1:20:07

sweet surrender, kick in

1:20:09

the crotch. Nick, you

1:20:12

vote first. Oh, come

1:20:14

on now, sweet surrender.

1:20:16

And I will pose

1:20:18

this as a

1:20:21

conversation point to all

1:20:23

the people who care

1:20:25

to comment on social

1:20:27

media. or send me

1:20:29

a message personally, whatever.

1:20:32

A better hard rock

1:20:34

guitar riff than the

1:20:36

main one featured in this

1:20:38

song. I don't think there's a

1:20:40

better one. There are ones you

1:20:43

can argue that are as good

1:20:45

perhaps, but it doesn't

1:20:47

get better and it doesn't,

1:20:49

I don't think there's a

1:20:52

sexier hard rock guitar riff

1:20:54

either. So, no, you're wrong.

1:20:56

You're 100% right. This is

1:20:59

also something you and I

1:21:01

have never discussed either on

1:21:03

the show or offline, but

1:21:06

you're 100% right about

1:21:08

that. So major sweet

1:21:10

surrender for me. I'll

1:21:12

just take it out there.

1:21:14

It's sweet surrender. Hell yes.

1:21:17

You know, this this swagger

1:21:19

of John Sykes, everything

1:21:21

you did just had

1:21:23

that sex to sex

1:21:25

to it. confidence.

1:21:28

The whole go down

1:21:30

the list of what

1:21:32

swagger means. He's the

1:21:34

embodiment of it, everything

1:21:37

he ever did.

1:21:39

Even ballady stuff

1:21:41

is just commanding

1:21:43

and sexy and all

1:21:45

that stuff. Just the

1:21:48

underrated in the grand

1:21:50

scheme of things, but

1:21:52

like, you know, You think

1:21:54

of a guitar hero? He's

1:21:56

got everything, you know, the

1:21:59

look, the... the performance

1:22:01

style of playing everything

1:22:04

the songwriting yeah everything

1:22:06

we've talked about everything

1:22:09

everything on point and

1:22:11

if anything he just

1:22:13

short-circuited his own career

1:22:16

because he just kind

1:22:18

of shrunk out of after

1:22:20

blue murder he just kind

1:22:22

of retreated out of the

1:22:24

spotlight and that

1:22:27

was you know 30

1:22:29

some years he was

1:22:31

essentially an active you

1:22:33

know he could have taken

1:22:35

jobs and been a

1:22:37

little more high profile

1:22:40

and who knows what the

1:22:42

how close he was getting

1:22:44

the deaf leopard gig

1:22:47

but you know massive talent

1:22:49

so I'm giving in

1:22:52

a sweet surrender What

1:22:58

else can you say about

1:23:00

this song that hasn't already

1:23:02

been said? For the record

1:23:05

Andy's new mantra is going

1:23:07

to be need to be

1:23:10

close It's me to the

1:23:12

night cookies when everyone goes

1:23:15

to bed me floating down

1:23:17

the stairs to the kitchen

1:23:19

It's at work, it'll be

1:23:22

like, Andy, done with that

1:23:24

editing that video yet? It

1:23:27

needs to be closer.

1:23:29

Everything that we've said,

1:23:31

it's impossible to argue

1:23:34

with it. And a

1:23:36

thing that I never

1:23:38

really noticed before. is, well

1:23:40

the arrangement's pretty interesting, right? It's

1:23:43

a very interesting song, the way

1:23:45

it's arranged, but also, there's always

1:23:47

more being added, you know, there's

1:23:49

keyboards and different guitars, and like,

1:23:51

it's one of those songs that

1:23:53

has a lot of life to

1:23:55

it. It's not just a, you

1:23:57

know, cut and paste kind of thing.

1:23:59

Oh no, I don't know. I

1:24:01

know kids at that. Yeah, which

1:24:04

is really cool to hear, just

1:24:06

as it goes along. You don't

1:24:08

feel like you wasted six minutes,

1:24:11

you know, where should have been

1:24:13

three or something like that. And

1:24:15

as I alluded to earlier, there's

1:24:17

so much going on, but it's

1:24:20

not this fatiguing wall of sound

1:24:22

to listen to. There's space there,

1:24:24

interesting dynamics, you know, it takes

1:24:26

you on a journey. So just

1:24:29

brilliantly. created, executed across the board.

1:24:31

Now, I do have one criticism. Okay.

1:24:33

Which I'm sure everyone cares what I

1:24:35

have to say about this. Oh, it's

1:24:38

your show. Yeah, you're right. I never

1:24:40

liked the whole lot of love section

1:24:42

breakdown. Yeah, well, I didn't like it

1:24:45

in a whole lot of love. Right.

1:24:47

So in this song. Could do without

1:24:49

it, but then I don't know how

1:24:51

you get to the bode guitar section

1:24:54

It's just great. I don't know how

1:24:56

you get to it without stopping

1:24:58

and taking everything down first Yeah,

1:25:01

there's a there's a there's a

1:25:03

there's a build that has to

1:25:05

happen. Yeah, there's a there's a

1:25:08

build that has to happen Yeah,

1:25:10

there's got to be a little

1:25:12

downtime if you're gonna pull that

1:25:15

off so I'm saying it's better

1:25:17

than let's up Even if it's

1:25:19

similar and people felt like it

1:25:21

was a rip-off or an homage

1:25:24

or whatever You know, I would

1:25:26

agree. I would agree that but

1:25:28

yeah, it works better because it

1:25:30

goes somewhere better You heard it

1:25:32

here first Well, you're not a

1:25:34

classic rock guy. We know this

1:25:36

we should do a whole lot

1:25:39

of love episode at some point

1:25:41

Hmm that would be interesting. I

1:25:43

haven't done any Ze's upland I'll

1:25:45

come with a I'll come with

1:25:47

my cavalier sword and slice it

1:25:49

up. Andy owned a Ledzuplin too

1:25:51

when he was in like third

1:25:53

grade. I did. I got a

1:25:55

birthday present. It's a great album.

1:25:58

Yeah. Andy doesn't a pretty... I

1:26:00

got a lopsided

1:26:02

table. It works

1:26:04

wonders. It's probably

1:26:06

my favorite Zeppelin

1:26:08

album. Kind of

1:26:10

vacillates, but they

1:26:13

were, it's a

1:26:15

masterpiece, my estimation.

1:26:17

All right, well,

1:26:19

maybe more in

1:26:21

that later, we'll

1:26:23

see. But, it's

1:26:25

time to, well,

1:26:28

you'll see. It's

1:26:30

the time to decide! Still

1:26:32

the night as a rock

1:26:35

and roll boner classic is

1:26:37

voted by the three rock

1:26:39

and roll boners in this

1:26:41

room. My vote is in.

1:26:43

Yeah. This has got to

1:26:45

be the easiest. Mine's in

1:26:47

also. One of the easiest,

1:26:49

fastest. Yeah, we don't have

1:26:51

second round votes. So I'll

1:26:53

just say rock, whoever wants.

1:26:55

Roll. If

1:27:11

this song is associated with

1:27:14

a boner, there's something wrong

1:27:16

with us and everything associated

1:27:19

with this problem. It's in

1:27:21

the dictionary. It is. This

1:27:24

is the song that would

1:27:26

be in there. Absolutely. With

1:27:29

a boner? Yeah. Boner the

1:27:31

song would be this. Audible

1:27:34

version of interaction is what

1:27:36

it is. I see what

1:27:39

Jerry said. He's a... I

1:27:41

feel a big beef daddy

1:27:44

bono. Well, he's not even

1:27:46

in the room. Foline Gorge,

1:27:48

no question. Absolutely no question.

1:27:51

And yeah, great call on

1:27:53

the Sykes tribute. I'm glad

1:27:56

you did that. I did

1:27:58

so much bonaific stuff from

1:28:01

him, but I still, so

1:28:03

my favorite is cold. sweat,

1:28:06

thin lizzie, fucking, just bad

1:28:08

ass, everything about that. And

1:28:11

thank you to Tony Griggs

1:28:13

for submitting this song on

1:28:16

the listener. Yeah. And rich.

1:28:18

Well, you know. Is it

1:28:21

because he didn't come? And

1:28:23

he's upset. But you know,

1:28:26

he's pretending that there's something

1:28:28

wrong. He's still siring children

1:28:31

well into his old age,

1:28:33

so he kind of embodies

1:28:35

the vibe of this song.

1:28:38

That's true. All right. Well,

1:28:40

if you disagree with us,

1:28:43

we are so sorry. That's

1:28:45

just the fucking way it

1:28:48

is. Got nothing to say

1:28:50

to you if you've got

1:28:53

a problem with this. Yeah,

1:28:55

that's... There's nothing that's going

1:28:58

to change anyone's mind about

1:29:00

this one. Nothing's gonna topple

1:29:03

this. Yeah. So. All right,

1:29:05

how about a quick commercial

1:29:08

break. Be right back. So

1:29:10

good. Oh. Yes.

1:29:21

All right. Let's see what

1:29:23

we got here. I think

1:29:25

I want to go listen

1:29:27

to similar songs to this

1:29:29

though. On the way home

1:29:31

I might punch up no

1:29:33

more tears. Pay my respects

1:29:36

to producers Dwayne Wayne and

1:29:38

Chris Parnell. I forgot the

1:29:40

names. Chris Parnell. Basically the

1:29:42

same names of the characters

1:29:44

and what's happening Dwayne and

1:29:46

rerun All right, why who's

1:29:48

the guy with the? Glass

1:29:50

is why I'm my blanking.

1:29:53

There you go. Yeah, they,

1:29:55

those three guys produced no

1:29:57

more. It's an amazing second.

1:29:59

You should take that, that,

1:30:01

the video of rerun breakdancing

1:30:03

and put it over the

1:30:05

No More Tears music. Oh,

1:30:08

it would work. Yeah, into

1:30:10

something. It would work. If

1:30:12

you want to stay in

1:30:14

the Sykes frame of mind,

1:30:16

man. punch up cold sweat.

1:30:18

I'm gonna, I'm not familiar

1:30:20

with it. And also, uh,

1:30:22

another one in this album,

1:30:25

Bad Boys, the second track.

1:30:27

The fucking relentless from start

1:30:29

to finish, just bad ass,

1:30:31

everything. So, those are, I

1:30:33

would suggest those too if

1:30:35

you want to stay in

1:30:37

the Sykes lane, but, uh,

1:30:40

can't go wrong throwing some

1:30:42

Zach Wild into the mix.

1:30:44

Another guitar player just... Overflowing

1:30:46

with swagger and badass or

1:30:48

generally across the Lord. All

1:30:50

right, this week's Yardo Questions

1:30:52

comes to us from Chuck,

1:30:54

Russack, hey Chuck, Chuck, got

1:30:57

some good ones here. I

1:30:59

think it works with today's

1:31:01

conversation. He says, hello to

1:31:03

the three wise boners. Very

1:31:05

nice. Is that like me

1:31:07

wise magic, free wise bonus?

1:31:09

Should be. Have to make

1:31:12

me mad up, I think.

1:31:14

He says, listening to the

1:31:16

latest Jericho episode was last

1:31:18

in line as the song.

1:31:20

Got me thinking about musicians

1:31:22

who switched bands and some

1:31:24

went on to do better,

1:31:26

some worse, and how the

1:31:29

bands they left were affected.

1:31:31

Some like questions revolve around

1:31:33

them. Okay. Do you think

1:31:35

if someone else had been

1:31:37

Ozzy's lead guitarist instead of

1:31:39

Randy Rhodes at the start

1:31:41

of Ozzy's solo career, do

1:31:44

you think Ozzy would have

1:31:46

had as successful of a

1:31:48

solo career? I know he

1:31:50

had plenty of great songs

1:31:52

after Rhodes, but the guitar

1:31:54

playing and solos from the

1:31:56

first two albums with Rose.

1:31:58

are one of the top

1:32:01

things that jump out to

1:32:03

me when listening to those

1:32:05

albums. I can't help but

1:32:07

wonder if Ozzy needed Randy

1:32:09

Rhodes as much as Rhodes

1:32:11

needed Ozzy to become the

1:32:13

star he became. I'm gonna

1:32:16

say unequivocally yes. You can't,

1:32:18

you couldn't, you couldn't pull

1:32:20

either of those elements out

1:32:22

and expect the same result.

1:32:24

You know. And again, I

1:32:26

think like people who aren't

1:32:28

music nerds. Yes,

1:32:30

they're drawn to the songs

1:32:33

and in the Ozzy's voice

1:32:35

and something, but if you

1:32:37

didn't have that commanding guitar

1:32:40

player guitar playing, it wouldn't

1:32:42

have had the same appeal,

1:32:44

I don't think. Plus, if

1:32:47

you don't have the template

1:32:49

kind of laid out in

1:32:51

the first couple albums like

1:32:54

that, who knows what Ozzy's,

1:32:56

you know, what the rest

1:32:58

of the solo career sounds

1:33:00

like. Right. Or if there

1:33:03

even is one after a

1:33:05

couple of, it could have

1:33:07

been a flop and done

1:33:10

forever. Maybe. I mean, and

1:33:12

one thing to not overlook

1:33:14

is the common thread that

1:33:17

kept the quality so high

1:33:19

and that's Mr. Bob Dazley.

1:33:21

And I know the questions

1:33:24

not about him, but he

1:33:26

was in and out a

1:33:28

lot, always came back. up

1:33:31

to a certain point and

1:33:33

no more tears he was

1:33:35

involved with all the way

1:33:38

to that point so can't

1:33:40

overlook that but yeah I'm

1:33:42

gonna agree with Chris that

1:33:44

it was a perfect storm

1:33:47

even all the way with

1:33:49

even Lee curse lake with

1:33:51

the role that he played

1:33:54

in those first couple albums

1:33:56

with filling in for Aussie

1:33:58

as far as writing melodies

1:34:01

and things like that. It's

1:34:03

a perfect storm with those

1:34:05

guys and that template was

1:34:08

laid down it was it

1:34:10

was It was defined, like

1:34:12

the parameters were all defined

1:34:15

there. And, you know, you

1:34:17

can, 45 years later, still

1:34:19

be, still be using that

1:34:21

as your guide as far

1:34:24

if you're Ozzy. Yeah, sure.

1:34:26

So, yeah, it's, it would

1:34:28

have had some great players,

1:34:31

but Randy Rhodes, yeah, absolutely

1:34:33

necessary. All right, question two,

1:34:35

who is a musician that

1:34:38

you felt benefited the most

1:34:40

from leaving one band slash

1:34:42

act, and either going solo

1:34:45

or joining another, and who

1:34:47

is a musician you felt

1:34:49

hurt themselves the most by

1:34:52

leaving a band slash act?

1:34:54

So who benefited? This is

1:34:56

about the individual here. Oh

1:34:59

wait, there's a four example.

1:35:02

Sorry. Roads leaving quiet riot

1:35:04

and going with Ozzy. Or,

1:35:06

Ozzy getting fired from Sabbath

1:35:08

and going solo. Ace leaving

1:35:11

kiss to start his own

1:35:13

project. Peter Chris leaving kiss.

1:35:15

Eagles and Beatles, breakups, etc.

1:35:17

Right, gotcha. Oh, thank you.

1:35:19

So I'm trying to think

1:35:22

if Dickinson parting with Maiden,

1:35:24

who... I'm thinking musically benefited

1:35:26

Dickinson. But maybe not Maiden.

1:35:28

I think I'd have to...

1:35:30

So you're saying you're giving

1:35:33

one answer for both. I

1:35:35

kind of am, but I

1:35:37

kind of... That's just kind

1:35:39

of my initial one. I'd

1:35:41

like to think of a

1:35:44

better one. What would I

1:35:46

even... What would I even...

1:35:48

What would I even... Well,

1:35:50

no, I guess it wouldn't

1:35:53

fit with the question. It

1:35:55

would only be who benefited.

1:35:57

I'd say, maybe not commercially,

1:35:59

but musically, I think at

1:36:01

that point it was fresh.

1:36:04

Yeah. For, you know, Dickinson

1:36:06

to do what he did

1:36:08

with his soul career at

1:36:10

that point. Yeah. Commercially, I

1:36:12

don't know. Well, commercially maiden

1:36:15

was, they needed a break.

1:36:17

Yeah, and I mean, I

1:36:19

guess like with Halford, when

1:36:21

he did fight, they had

1:36:23

just a little crazy, I

1:36:26

don't know if that's the

1:36:28

name of the song, but

1:36:30

that's, you know, that's the

1:36:32

song. It had some pretty

1:36:34

heavy radio airplay. So, I

1:36:37

mean, similar kind of thing

1:36:39

there where the bands that

1:36:41

they're in maybe aren't making.

1:36:43

They're not having the impact

1:36:46

that they did the decade

1:36:48

before. Yeah, and then the

1:36:50

singer does a solo career

1:36:52

and It's it's refreshing musically

1:36:54

and and in Halford's case.

1:36:57

I'd say commercially, right? I

1:36:59

mean fight was pretty successful.

1:37:01

Yeah For what a one

1:37:03

album two albums. I don't

1:37:05

even know I'm not sure

1:37:08

I know one I mean

1:37:10

yeah, they had the big

1:37:12

single and Yeah,

1:37:14

I don't really know. But as

1:37:17

far as someone who left a

1:37:19

ban and then that ended up

1:37:21

being a bad idea, I don't

1:37:23

know. I'll pass it to Chris

1:37:25

for now if he's got any.

1:37:27

Jackie is talking about Robbie Williams

1:37:30

here that takes it down a

1:37:32

different Different road. I'd like to

1:37:34

know if Jackie's gonna go see

1:37:36

the movie where Robbie is played

1:37:38

by what the hell is a

1:37:40

C G I ape What are

1:37:43

they doing? See Robbie Williams is

1:37:45

he's a risk-taking kind of odd

1:37:47

guy, so that's his his decision

1:37:49

I don't I mean I'm guessing

1:37:51

he had something to do with

1:37:53

it, but yeah, it's it's his

1:37:56

I'm gonna say biopic I know

1:37:58

it's but it's his and he

1:38:00

he's played by a CGI ape

1:38:02

and everybody else is just a

1:38:04

regular actor don't know but supposedly

1:38:06

it's it's got a few nice

1:38:09

write-ups I don't know yeah very

1:38:11

strange maybe it's great just puzzling

1:38:13

the puzzling decision yeah yeah but

1:38:15

you know not wanting to just

1:38:17

stick with the conventional decision

1:38:19

yeah yeah but you know not

1:38:22

wanting to just stick with the

1:38:24

conventional decision yeah yeah but you

1:38:26

know not wanting to just stick

1:38:28

with the conventional stuff Oh man,

1:38:30

well I'm kind of stuck

1:38:32

in guitar player mode

1:38:35

here, so the ones

1:38:37

that are coming to

1:38:39

mind, in terms of

1:38:42

benefited, not necessarily, well

1:38:44

definitely not commercially, but

1:38:47

I think musically, jaky

1:38:49

Lee, you left Aziz

1:38:51

band and did Badlands

1:38:54

musically, I think that

1:38:56

just... his outstanding move

1:38:59

on his part. I

1:39:01

love those albums and

1:39:03

he's another one who took

1:39:05

decades off out of the

1:39:08

Public Eye, but those Red

1:39:10

Dragon cartel albums are fucking

1:39:12

great. Yeah, they are. The

1:39:14

second one especially. I've been

1:39:17

getting a lot of those

1:39:19

songs coming up my shuffle.

1:39:21

Fucking great. Yeah. Really good

1:39:23

stuff. So, uh, I would

1:39:25

say him and then... My all-time

1:39:28

favorite rock guitar player, Brian

1:39:30

Robertson of Thin Lizzy,

1:39:32

he just kicked out of

1:39:34

Thin Lizzy because on the

1:39:36

verge of their breakthrough tour

1:39:38

in America, he got

1:39:41

in a bar fight and broke

1:39:43

his hand and he had to

1:39:45

call the tour off and a

1:39:47

lot of people point to that

1:39:50

is, you know, that was right,

1:39:52

like, like, boys are back in

1:39:54

town. that they could never capitalize

1:39:56

on the success of that because

1:39:59

of that? He just, he joined

1:40:01

Motorhead for another perfect day,

1:40:03

which is a great album,

1:40:05

but just never fit in

1:40:07

with them. I mean, he

1:40:09

was wearing fucking ballet shippers

1:40:11

and shorts on stage and

1:40:13

refused to play Ace of

1:40:15

Spades, just so fucking weird

1:40:17

guy after that, and never

1:40:19

did anything of any note

1:40:22

after thin lizzy, so he

1:40:24

just kind of vanished and

1:40:26

he sort of self-savitized his

1:40:28

career. So those are the

1:40:30

two that are coming to

1:40:32

mind for me. So someone

1:40:34

who was brought up not

1:40:36

that long ago on this

1:40:38

episode, just for my musical

1:40:40

tastes, you can't really argue

1:40:42

with the longevity of this

1:40:44

project, but Zach Wild going

1:40:46

and doing Black Label Society,

1:40:48

I think... song material wise

1:40:50

I think was a step

1:40:52

down from what he was

1:40:54

doing with Aussie. I mean

1:40:56

musicianship wise like I've heard

1:40:58

live stuff and you know

1:41:01

always great all the guys

1:41:03

he's had that I've heard

1:41:05

that have been in that

1:41:07

band with them but I

1:41:09

just think musically it's just

1:41:11

it's it's got like a

1:41:13

I don't know it's it's

1:41:15

just not as good as

1:41:17

far as the material like

1:41:19

melodically song-wise material-wise but if

1:41:21

i mean i guess if

1:41:23

you want like it's usually

1:41:25

a trio right black label

1:41:27

society or do they have

1:41:29

a they don't have a

1:41:31