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2:55

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3:00

ten times. Welcome

3:02

to the show, Nick. That's quite

3:04

a welcome. Quite a how do you

3:06

do? Well, That's how it goes around

3:08

here. We had

3:10

desperate times called for desperate

3:12

forms of entertainment. Appealing

3:15

to really the

3:17

basest of all desires

3:19

of the public

3:21

out there. How much

3:23

commiserating between you

3:25

two went into the

3:27

creation of that. I would say less

3:29

than a minute, 30 seconds, I'm not

3:31

sure. But something we've been doing

3:33

for years. We

3:36

do that. That's how we greet each other,

3:38

family gatherings. Pretending to hurt each other. Yeah,

3:40

we're doing stunts now for your enjoyment. So

3:42

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3:45

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3:49

Lurker XS tier. Yeah, and

3:51

a weirdo if you enjoyed what just

3:53

happened here. Hey, but there

3:55

a lot of weirdos out there. A

3:57

weirdo with money. That's who we

3:59

appeal to, hopefully. That's

4:01

who we want. So Nick, welcome

4:03

to the show. Thank you for

4:05

having me. Congratulations on 12 years

4:07

of podcasting. I can't believe it.

4:09

12 years. At

4:12

least, what do we figure out? At

4:14

least 48, 49 a year for

4:16

12 years. So incredible numbers, Nick, you're

4:18

putting up. It's Lou Gehrig type

4:20

stuff. It is. 10 kicks to

4:22

the balls, by the way. In

4:25

slow motion. I

4:27

think I got him on, like, kick four. I

4:29

think I got ball. Well. Well,

4:31

you'll find out later. Go

4:34

to the bathroom. Where

4:37

is it? Where'd

4:39

that one go? Back up. Oh,

4:41

boy. Push it down. To

4:43

your immediate left is your ball. Go

4:45

get it. Put it back

4:47

in. To your immediate left, you

4:49

want him. We got him. Put

5:10

your hands together for

5:12

the breakout star of the

5:14

podcast medium. Chris L is

5:16

in the house. Chris, congratulations

5:18

on 12 years. Yeah,

5:21

you guys too. It's been a

5:23

while. Unbelievable. Quite a

5:25

run. We'll

5:27

see if the drawer's a little heavier next

5:29

month. Maybe we won't come back. It's up

5:32

to you. We're guilting you, Nick. My goodness.

5:34

Yep. Put something in there, or we walk. Or

5:36

we just do this. We do this for

5:38

no one. We just record it.

5:40

We just sit here and don't hit record

5:43

and talk to each other. Yeah, that's

5:45

it. So we'll see. But

5:47

anyway, here we are. I

5:50

don't even know what it is. Episode

5:52

602. I'm hungry,

5:54

Nick. You hungry? No,

5:58

I'm not hungry. You

6:00

know, Easter's coming up,

6:02

so don't worry. You made nothing.

6:04

We're gonna celebrate. You

6:08

already kicked me.

6:11

What more do you need? Well, it's

6:14

a Nick abuse episode, I guess.

6:16

I don't know why, but we're making

6:18

a sympathetic character that the people can

6:20

get behind. As soon as you

6:22

introduced that idea, I saw the chat

6:24

exploded. That's

6:27

how it happens here, Nick. Everyone's

6:29

on your side. Outraged

6:31

with me. I'm to have security walk

6:33

me to the car after this. But

6:37

here we are. No big treat. What

6:39

are we doing here? Oh, one

6:41

thing that we always talk about every year

6:44

this time of year was when the Hammond,

6:46

Indiana Festival of the Lakes talent is announced.

6:48

Oh, well. I feel like we do this

6:50

every year. So we might as well do it this year,

6:53

and especially because, Nick, who did they announce today? The

6:56

absolute number one person

6:58

I think if you asked

7:00

me who would I like to

7:02

be have Be represented there.

7:04

Yep One John

7:06

Fogarty John Fogarty Wednesday Right in the

7:09

middle of the week. Don't care. Yeah,

7:11

Wednesday, July 16th John Fogarty will be

7:13

there. You're gonna get VIP passes. No,

7:15

I'm looking at the thing right now.

7:17

I see get VIP pass. not I'm

7:19

not doing that, but you better believe

7:21

I will be there He's got

7:23

nice hair or whatever that is. is

7:25

79. Wow. Yeah,

7:28

I'm very much looking forward to it.

7:30

Never got to see him. Yeah,

7:33

that's going to be great. Great concert

7:35

for those of you who are within

7:37

driving distance here from the Chicago land

7:39

area. I mean, they had what? Brad

7:41

Gilbert is going to be there. And

7:44

Thursday, Brad Gilbert will be

7:46

performing for everybody. Thursday as a

7:48

guy, I'm so not in

7:50

this scene whatsoever. I don't know

7:52

who these people are. Brantley

7:55

Gilbert. Do we know Brantley

7:57

Gilbert at all? No.

8:01

Chris, do you know Brantley Gilbert? No.

8:04

Is he a country artist? That's our guest,

8:06

but this is his picture here. And that's

8:08

too close to Brad Gilbert, right?

8:11

It is. You can't, you can't professionally go

8:13

out with that name, can you? I

8:15

wouldn't. I mean, I think for Latin

8:17

night it's... Who's Brad Gilbert? I

8:19

don't even know who that is. Everybody

8:21

loves Raymond. The brother from... And

8:23

he's... Oh, right. Well, you know, for

8:25

Latino night, it's R -E -Y Ray

8:27

Romano's gonna be there. Well,

8:29

on the Saturday night, you've got

8:32

Third Eye Blind to be young

8:34

white people worshipping at their altar

8:36

that night. There'll be

8:38

literally zero ethnicity. There

8:40

will be for that in Robert

8:42

Steele. that tattooed guy has got to

8:45

be a country artist. Don't they have one

8:47

country? Yeah, they do, but I just wouldn't have guessed

8:49

it based on the photo. I guess that's what

8:51

they look like now. He looks like the cover of

8:53

that first 50 -cent album, but it's a white guy

8:55

with bleached hair or whatever. I can't tell what's

8:57

going on. Bleached tips on this here.

8:59

Got some tips? He's got some tips. No

9:01

ethnicity, but some tips. Tips

9:04

count as ethnicity. All right, we'll take

9:06

it. There's an implied ethnicity there. Friday,

9:09

we got ACON. Remember

9:11

ACON? I do remember that. He was

9:13

getting it done a while back. And

9:16

like you said, Saturday, Third Eye Blind. What's

9:19

Third Eye Blind's song? Is that the

9:22

Semi -Charmed Life? Yeah. Yeah, OK. I

9:25

was going to say Superman, but no, that's

9:27

not. That's Three Doors Down. That's the one

9:29

with Fred Flintstone. That's their fault for using

9:31

the same number. It's true. Three

9:33

was big in the late 90s in your band

9:35

name. And then, man.

9:39

Latino night, Sunday night. There's about 30 guys in

9:41

this band with matching Oh, it's gonna be good.

9:43

You know it's gonna be good, but yeah, I

9:45

don't know. La Areola,

9:47

what? I'm

9:49

gonna go to that night. On a

9:51

Sunday? La Oral...

9:53

Oral... Okay, Shizer. La

9:59

Oraladora. They're a very

10:01

ethnic guy. Oraladora?

10:05

It's a pretty solid lineup this year, though. Yeah,

10:07

I'm trying to get this whole name out. La

10:10

Oraladora, La Banda, El

10:12

Limón de René Camacho. So

10:14

something, all right, and

10:16

René Camacho must be that guy in the middle. So

10:19

yeah, I'm sure they're tremendous. Yeah,

10:22

he looks like he's about 40 years older

10:24

than everyone else in the band. So I'm

10:26

sure that's somebody who's got a big name in

10:28

that community, in that scene. So

10:30

there you go. Festival of the Lakes in Hammond.

10:32

Go Wednesday. Hang out with Nick. It's a free concert.

10:35

I will be there. All ages. Hopefully

10:38

he's not as profane and disgusting

10:40

as Sammy Hager. Yeah, right. Exactly.

10:42

If you all ages bring your family

10:44

to the free concert, Fogarty's going to keep

10:46

it classy. Oh, is Sammy

10:48

talking about all the pussy that was there?

10:51

something like that? It was something

10:53

about COVID. He

10:55

somehow blamed COVID. And

10:58

how about how that made him horny or something

11:00

because he was locked down and how he wants

11:02

to go get some pussy or something? Great. What

11:04

is he talking about? He's

11:06

probably older than Fogarty. Or

11:08

damn near the same age. Yeah, they're probably

11:10

pretty close in age, yeah. Anyway,

11:14

I was not thinking

11:16

that he would

11:18

be included. Yeah.

11:21

Couldn't have picked someone better, in my opinion. Yeah,

11:23

Third Eye Blind is usually, that's like the

11:25

wheelhouse of what? You know

11:27

Iran mm -hmm. Yeah, I try

11:29

to get a 90s sort of post grunge

11:31

band Yeah, that's what they get and then

11:33

they get someone who's got a little bit

11:35

more of like a pop or hip -hop

11:37

thing in a country But yeah, they never

11:39

get people. I don't know how many people

11:41

are like Fogarty, but they don't usually get

11:43

people from older generations anymore. It's

11:46

like Not as much like

11:48

yeah, like that's that's someone's 90s. Maybe

11:50

he's about as far back as

11:52

it goes Usually, yeah, so they

11:54

yeah, they absolutely made the right decision

11:56

there. I see

11:58

in the chat Michael

12:00

Lou Betty says that's Brad Garrett.

12:03

Thank you Gilbert. Yeah,

12:05

okay Well our point

12:07

still stands yeah Too

12:09

close to his name.

12:12

That's true, it is

12:14

Garrett. Of course, last

12:16

episode, you referred to

12:18

Gronk as Ron Gronkowski

12:21

twice. Me or Nick? No,

12:23

Nick. Or no, you. Me, yeah. Ron.

12:25

You. Rob. Yes.

12:28

Well, Ron's a better name. Sorry. Everyone named

12:30

Rob out there knows that Ron is a

12:32

better name. They wish

12:34

they were named Ron. Cursed their

12:36

parents every day. Well,

12:39

sorry, Ron. We have

12:41

no runs. I don't think I

12:43

don't have any runs a lot

12:45

of robs. Yeah, a lot of

12:47

them wish they were runs like

12:50

I said Unfortunately Andy's really Hey,

12:52

this is the new direction of

12:54

the show. We have to go

12:56

in This is the position. We've

12:58

gotten ourselves into over here Whose

13:00

turn is it this week? I

13:03

think it's my turn. It is.

13:05

Yeah. All right, so I will

13:07

be going to the listener submission

13:09

list I have no special 12

13:11

-year anniversary planned or anything like

13:13

that. So we're

13:15

just going to see what we've

13:18

got here. I'm

13:21

trying to think of a

13:23

song with 12 gracious melodies.

13:26

Oh, there you go. I don't know. Well,

13:29

Nick, please. I can't wait.

13:31

Fire it up. right.

13:43

First pull is number

13:45

821. 821.

13:48

So I know the name of this

13:50

band. I want to look at

13:52

the comment real quick. Yeah.

13:56

You know, I think this just needs

13:58

to be another time because in my

14:00

opinion, this is too, this would

14:02

be paired up with last

14:04

week too closely as far

14:06

as era and style. And

14:08

I think we need a little bit more. Ethnicity.

14:12

We need a little bit more mixture,

14:14

so we're gonna bush -wig it. Not

14:19

a bad

14:21

call, but... Timing

14:23

can make or break

14:25

one of these

14:27

random song selections. Nick

14:30

again? Once again.

14:34

Okay, we're gonna go up a little bit

14:36

unless you're the number 452. 452

14:40

452 452 Okay, I'm

14:42

okay with this but

14:44

One more pole just

14:46

for the hell of

14:49

it. We're gonna hopper

14:51

this one. So you're

14:53

okay with it. Yeah,

14:57

not Doing back flips the people will

14:59

probably like it or some of

15:01

them. Well, well, and that's who I

15:03

care about Nick

15:06

because I believe you

15:08

okay good. You're supposed I

15:10

don't know why but

15:12

I do you should You

15:14

should care or believe

15:16

me. I mean what 1080

15:18

1080 We're gonna go

15:20

with the second one 1080

15:22

a quick no. Yeah,

15:24

I don't know it's one

15:26

of those It

15:28

would be real risky. I

15:30

don't know what it is. They

15:32

heard of the artist. Oh,

15:35

hey, that could be really fun,

15:37

but The first one wins

15:39

or you know the second choice

15:41

wins the previous choice wins.

15:43

Okay, we're gonna go with them

15:45

Let me find exactly which

15:47

song was there it is was

15:49

a 452 452. It's also

15:51

453. All right, those are people

15:53

multiple submissions. Yeah,

15:56

well Regarding 1080,

15:58

I got a hit, so...

16:00

Oh my gosh, I'm so

16:03

sorry. Extended. Ah, man. 1080

16:28

AD. Yes. I

16:31

would offer Nick the chance

16:33

to guess who the Pope was,

16:35

but I'm a little... It's

16:38

not clear who the Pope was

16:40

by this clue. Maybe it

16:42

is, but... Anyway, I'm just gonna

16:44

cut into it. June 25th,

16:46

1080. Wybert

16:48

of Ravenna. is elected

16:51

as Anti -Pope Clement

16:53

III. I remember

16:55

Clement III. During the

16:57

pro -imperial Sinod of Bricson,

17:00

Pope Gregory VII

17:02

is deposed, signed

17:04

in a decree by

17:07

Henry IV. So

17:09

that means Gregory who was

17:11

out and Anti -Pope Clement was

17:13

in? I think if he's an

17:15

Anti -Pope, he was never actually

17:17

in. Right. So I'm thinking

17:20

Gregory held on to the title,

17:22

even though, who was

17:24

it, Henry V? Henry

17:26

IV? Henry IV, I'm

17:29

assuming he had no actual

17:31

authority to remove him.

17:33

He was just talking shit, kind

17:36

of like the current administration

17:38

in this country. Saying I'm Pope

17:40

and you're not, basically? Well,

17:42

I'm way more Pope than

17:45

you'll ever be. watching

17:48

the the Pope episode of

17:50

That Girl. These

17:54

guys caught me a lie earlier

17:57

today. That was a good lie. It

17:59

would have been from the same

18:01

era, the Pope episode of the

18:04

Flying Non. Andy

18:08

was caught in an outrageous

18:10

lie in a text group

18:12

earlier. Pretending

18:14

that he was watching, what was

18:16

it, the beach episode of that girl?

18:20

He thought it was gonna get

18:22

past us. I thought no

18:24

one would ever notice that I just made

18:26

that up. Now chances

18:28

are there is a beach episode.

18:30

That's what most sitcoms have, a beach

18:33

episode. That's what was thinking. Everyone's

18:35

got a beach episode. I

18:37

could sneak this in, but

18:39

Nick knew... Nah, you smell

18:41

the rat when I said

18:43

that. The beach episode. All

18:47

right, well, anti -popes

18:49

and all. Yeah,

18:51

we got anti -popes. We had

18:53

a cyanod reference. You're

18:56

1080. Yeah. What's

18:58

going on? Well, we're

19:00

going to go with pull 452.

19:03

That's what it was. bet people

19:05

made a lot of resolutions in

19:07

1080. As high

19:09

definition as well. Hope high

19:11

definition as the first Some

19:13

bad ones some real

19:15

open a window Okay Well,

19:17

I have nothing to say

19:20

about this song Let's go

19:22

just end the episode we

19:24

might as well have nothing

19:26

to say about nothing to

19:29

say about it. Well, I

19:31

didn't look I'm not peeking.

19:33

Okay. All right. Well, you

19:35

saw it All right, let's

19:37

turn the microphone over to

19:40

Chris Jericho! In

19:43

my dreams.

19:46

Off of. Under lock and

19:48

key. By the band. Dockin'.

19:51

Oh! Oh! My, my. Dockin's

19:55

hot this week. Yeah,

19:57

plus we had Georgia

19:59

lunch. Mm -hmm. air

20:02

guitar champion, introing the

20:04

show. So

20:06

there's some serendipity there. But yes,

20:08

Don Dockin apparently investigating the death

20:10

of Kurt Cobain. Is that what

20:12

we discovered this week? This week,

20:14

that's what he's getting himself into. He's

20:17

got a hat. Yeah, he's got

20:19

a look. He's got a shirtlock holmes.

20:21

He's got a gum shoe. a fedora type

20:23

of thing. Yeah. I

20:25

don't know what he's doing, but that's what he's.

20:28

I like this new, I'm assuming it's

20:30

a full blown. Commitment career

20:32

move switched. Why not? I

20:34

mean, I think docking is

20:36

kind of nearing the end,

20:38

right? I mean in terms

20:40

of his ability to really

20:42

sing that dead horse left

20:44

the stable years ago Yeah,

20:47

well now he's making he's

20:49

making witnesses sing Yeah, like

20:51

canaries, but no I

20:53

believe this is the current tour

20:55

when heaven comes down or something

20:57

like that as is is Build

21:00

as the end, but

21:02

we know that goes but

21:04

Are they playing up

21:06

up the road at the

21:08

ham horseshoe casino on

21:11

that tour are they I

21:13

think so with George

21:15

Lynch Don't know but Yeah,

21:17

I wonder if they're

21:19

doing their usual stop up

21:22

in St. Charles at

21:24

the Arcada everybody plays there

21:27

Yeah, everybody of that ilk

21:29

tends to play there. But

21:31

but yeah, I'm pretty sure

21:33

they're coming up to the

21:35

horseshoe right up the street,

21:37

right up the street also

21:39

from Festival of the Lakes. So

21:42

so I remember this

21:44

song pretty well as

21:46

getting a lot of

21:48

radio play back in

21:50

the old rock radio

21:52

days. OK. There

21:56

were at least

21:58

a handful of docking

22:00

songs that got

22:02

really routine airplay. This

22:05

was definitely one of them.

22:08

Well, this is really

22:10

the breakthrough album for

22:13

them. I mean, the

22:15

previous one, Tooth and

22:17

Nail, was definitely... Really

22:19

put them on the map

22:21

at this one. They were

22:23

just you know going for

22:25

the ring in terms of

22:27

production songwriting everything Was super

22:29

dialed in at this point

22:31

so it makes sense that

22:33

it would be all over

22:35

the radio and it was

22:37

did um See who produced

22:39

this album While

22:42

you look let me tell you

22:44

I just found a third submission

22:46

for this song. I don't know

22:48

why it's over sometimes There's a

22:50

recent no, sometimes there's a space

22:53

or something in front of the

22:55

first letter in the title So

22:57

it is on here three times.

22:59

So yeah, who who submitted this

23:01

by the way Fielding Fowler Jackie

23:03

Hardigan and Dave Dwarzynski. Okay So

23:06

we're uh, man, oh man, yeah,

23:08

this is a popular one apparently

23:10

now I'm assuming there's a video,

23:12

I don't know. There is. I don't

23:14

know that it's worth. Yeah,

23:19

I think it's more of

23:21

a performance oriented video.

23:23

I think it's a necessity

23:25

that we watch it.

23:27

No butt in the video.

23:30

Not that I recall. This is a serious

23:32

song. You can

23:34

still put a butt. Butt can be serious

23:36

business. Can it? Well, depends what you're

23:38

doing with it. Well, I guess if You're

23:41

at the doctor. I think

23:43

there's a but or two in

23:45

Don Docken's investigation of the

23:47

Kurt Cobain death and that's serious

23:49

business. I don't know.

23:51

I just, I love, you

23:53

know, there's, as I,

23:55

as I have said in

23:57

our group message, there's

23:59

Kojak, Colombo, Docken. It

24:01

sounds good with those other

24:03

names. Logical progression makes sense.

24:07

I forgot that guy's name, whoever that

24:09

other guy was in the video with

24:11

him, but that was, it seemed like

24:13

that's more of his thing, and he's,

24:15

you know, latching onto the

24:17

star of Don Docken. just saying

24:19

for exposure here. The thumbnail

24:21

of the video had a picture

24:24

of one person, and it

24:26

was Don Docken with his hat,

24:28

so I can only, I

24:30

can only come to the conclusion

24:32

that Don Docken is an

24:34

investigative reporter, or Full

24:36

blown detective for all I know. I

24:38

don't know. I like your version better

24:40

than what it actually was. I don't

24:42

know what other kind of what other

24:44

kind of mysteries he's gonna tackle. He's

24:48

reinvented himself. You gotta give him

24:50

some credit. I frankly love the

24:52

the whole idea of this. I

24:54

mean, I think you should pitch this

24:57

because I don't think he even realizes that

24:59

this is how it's being interpreted. I

25:01

think he appeared on a podcast and he

25:03

had a conversation with someone about this

25:05

who then framed it as a duck and

25:07

as a detective now. It would be

25:09

such a missed opportunity if that were the

25:11

case. Did you

25:13

watch it or no? I watched some of

25:15

it. When it was the guy, I

25:17

don't remember his name, Charlie, I don't know,

25:19

make it up. He, it's

25:21

like, yeah, I went to the

25:23

Kurt Cobain gravesite, and it's like a

25:25

whole vlog of him. It has

25:27

nothing to do with Dakin, and then

25:30

he's talking to the original drummer

25:32

of Nirvana and stuff, who's just hanging

25:34

out at the cemetery. Hey,

25:36

you like Nirvana? I was in

25:38

the band. Nice introduction, nice organic

25:40

introduction they put together there. You

25:42

watched it, apparently. I did. You

25:45

watched the whole thing. I turned it off

25:47

after a while, but I watched several minutes. Look,

25:49

I'm just saying, Yeah,

25:51

the JFK papers Need some

25:53

serious combing through mm -hmm,

25:55

and I'm not gonna read

25:57

them. I need someone to

25:59

tell me what's happening Well

26:01

you and Kevin Sorbo both

26:03

Crowdsourcing me well Don Docking

26:05

can answer both of our

26:08

Both of our requests. I

26:10

think they should turn dock

26:12

and loose on the Epstein

26:14

Isle and all them. Come

26:16

on. Yeah, root of it. I love this

26:18

mm -hmm Yeah, if

26:20

he's not already on board

26:22

with this he needs to adopt

26:25

it as his next career

26:27

I'm not sure why this came

26:29

to me. Maybe someone could

26:31

come up with a better one.

26:33

I'm thinking Don hound docking

26:35

Could be what he goes by

26:38

imagine a TV show called

26:40

hound and it's done docking with

26:42

a fedora Blowing the lid

26:44

off of stuff. Well, I would

26:46

watch every week hound All

26:52

right. Well, Nick, if it doesn't happen,

26:54

you might have to make it happen. It

26:56

doesn't happen. I hope

26:58

AI advances quick enough

27:01

to at least pretend that

27:03

it happened. Yeah. So

27:06

are you going to read the

27:08

comments from these people who submitted this?

27:10

Yeah. So this one's from Fielding

27:12

Fowler. He says, it's time for dock

27:14

and the people demand it. Okay.

27:16

That must have been submitted before we

27:18

did Breaking the Chains. Probably. Yep.

27:20

And that's the only other docking

27:22

song we've done, right? Yes. Let's

27:26

see. Jackie Hardigan

27:28

says, I can't believe as

27:30

of February 28th, 2023, you

27:33

all haven't done a docking song yet.

27:35

Make it happen. So there you go again. Don't

27:38

let it be known that

27:40

we take forever. Well,

27:42

that's the beauty of adding things to the

27:44

listener submission list, right? You never know when

27:47

it's going to happen. Could

27:49

be the same day that you added

27:51

it, or it could be a couple

27:53

years later. Jackie was already exasperated in

27:55

2023. She was. And

27:57

then Dave Dwarzynski says,

28:01

80s ear candy, Don Docken and

28:03

George Lynch, harmony and

28:05

crunch, awesome combo. All

28:08

right. Well said.

28:11

Um, let's see, Charles Russick on

28:13

the chat says a jabroni video,

28:15

so I guess we don't need

28:17

to put on this. Yeah, I

28:19

mean, with the subject or the

28:21

vibe of the song being not

28:23

a playful 80s song. Yeah, if

28:25

I recall correctly, they're performing in

28:27

the midst of a rainstorm. So

28:29

there's like, you know, they're

28:31

being rained on. So there's,

28:33

you know, water

28:36

flying off the crash cymbal. guys

28:38

in the band are just soaking

28:40

wet. Yeah, I don't know. I

28:42

don't think we need to watch

28:44

it, but it's up to you

28:46

guys. You could just watch Doc

28:48

and Investigates. Doc and Hound on

28:50

our phones on our own time.

28:52

Asking AI to generate an image.

28:55

Imagine Don Docin as a detective in

28:57

a show called Hound. Want

29:00

to add a fedora and trench coat

29:02

to the detective's outfit? Oh my gosh. They

29:04

asked you that? It sure did. Can

29:06

you make a shoe smell? That

29:08

would be my response to that. Well,

29:10

I don't know if Andy wants to share this

29:12

with the chat, but it gave me a very nice,

29:15

I'd say a successful image here. I

29:17

just sent it to you. Okay. Here,

29:20

let's see. Doesn't

29:22

exactly look like I

29:24

sent it to you guys

29:26

here. I could I

29:28

could post it in there

29:30

I See it I'm

29:32

gonna send it here Yeah,

29:34

that's a done deal

29:37

make it happen. I'm not

29:39

sure what he's holding.

29:41

Oh, no, it's a magnifying

29:43

glass This is great

29:45

saving that one to my

29:47

camera roll You

29:49

know, the magnifying glass for when he's,

29:51

you know, looking for prints at

29:53

the crime scene. I

29:56

love it. There it is.

30:01

What network? I don't know. USA,

30:04

maybe. Yeah, maybe.

30:06

They love those quirky

30:08

detectives. Well, there

30:11

it is. I love it. Yeah,

30:14

anything to get him to

30:16

stop trying to sing. I

30:18

mean, if you've seen any

30:20

clips from them recently, he's

30:22

on a Vince Neil level

30:24

where he's not even trying

30:26

at this point. Yeah. It's like

30:28

meanders around the stage, mumbles

30:31

out some lyrics, points the

30:33

mic at the crowd, that type of

30:35

thing. It sucks. Well,

30:37

you know, I mean these

30:39

guys can't last forever, but it's

30:41

all people they're buying the

30:43

tickets. I know I know they

30:45

got to work people love

30:47

the songs and they want to

30:49

they want to see the

30:51

guy and you know people catches

30:53

up with everybody and He

30:56

had some... I mean, he was

30:58

the primary songwriter, right? So, I

31:00

mean, there's... Yeah. Nothing to sneeze

31:02

at his accomplishments in the music

31:05

industry. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm not

31:07

doing that. I'm just saying it's

31:09

just unfortunate when that happens. Yeah,

31:11

and not everybody can do about

31:13

it. Not everybody's grandpa on Well,

31:15

I mean, there's things you can

31:17

do to minimize it. He doesn't

31:19

strike me similar to Vince Neil,

31:21

that he works very hard on

31:23

his physical fitness, his... cardiovascular

31:26

capacity, get the

31:29

impression that he works too

31:31

hard on it. So I

31:33

mean, there's there's ways that

31:35

you can minimize the effect

31:37

of aging. But yeah, if

31:39

you nothing to, you know,

31:41

work on your instruments, so

31:43

to speak, you know,

31:45

you get what you get.

31:48

Well, when you're out late at

31:50

night, busting open these unsolved crimes. The

31:53

only thing open, gas stations,

31:55

the tickets are selling whether he's

31:57

eaten those deritos or not. He's

32:00

trying to sleep in his chair

32:02

and a woman always is knocking

32:04

at the door at all hours

32:06

and asking him to investigate something

32:08

for her. Plus,

32:10

if he's a self -respecting gum

32:12

shoe, he's always got a

32:14

cigarette in his mouth, so that

32:17

doesn't help the voice. Well,

32:21

he's been in preparing himself

32:23

for the next chapter in his

32:25

career. I think it's time. It's

32:31

time. It is time.

32:33

But we should approach the

32:35

management with this free idea. Look,

32:40

I don't know if you're aware of how

32:42

you were positioned by that other podcast,

32:44

but this is what you need to do.

32:46

Investigate crimes because, you know, as

32:48

we've talked about before, True

32:51

crime, it's an

32:53

instant gold mine, if your

32:55

show is about that. And

32:58

there needs

33:00

to be a

33:03

breakout detective

33:05

personality the

33:07

modern age. I mean, all the great

33:09

ones that I could think of

33:11

have passed away, all the actors who

33:13

have done that. Yeah, who's

33:15

left. I'm not sure who's, I mean, Don't

33:18

know what's the thing they

33:20

don't do that anymore any

33:22

kind of Quote -unquote detective

33:24

thing. It's some action dude

33:26

shooting everyone like it's not

33:28

yeah, there's no it's not

33:30

like it the heyday of

33:32

the 70s we had all

33:34

the you know, I mean

33:36

go down the fucking body

33:38

absinthe was a Successful t -shirt.

33:40

I mean man. Yeah,

33:42

well dick van dyke I guess

33:44

kind of He did a lot

33:46

of detective work. I

33:49

can't think. I

33:52

shouldn't know this. He

33:54

was the doctor. Oh

33:57

come on. Doctor Van Dyke.

34:00

I don't know. Someone in the chat I'm

34:02

sure is. What's wrong with you

34:04

guys? Fielding

34:06

says Rockford was the best. Hard

34:08

to argue with that. The Rockford

34:11

files. What a great show that

34:13

was. He had

34:15

Mannix, Ironside, Beretta.

34:17

Beretta was pretty damn

34:19

good too. That

34:22

was an underrated show. That

34:24

was what Robert Blake.

34:26

Robert Blake. We'll talk

34:28

about true crime. That guy went

34:30

away for... want to kill in

34:32

somebody? Yeah. I think it was

34:34

his wife, right? Yeah. Is

34:37

he dead? Yeah. He died in jail,

34:39

or did he not even make it

34:41

that far? Jerry Kern says Quincy was

34:43

the doctor. Quincy? Yeah, we know that.

34:45

No, no, there was a... Dick Van

34:47

Dyke had his own show. I can

34:49

picture it. I just... Colin Bell just

34:51

was talking to me about it, too.

34:54

Well, it was diagnosis murder. I can't think

34:56

of the character's name, though. Let's

34:58

see. Dr. Mark

35:00

Sloan. Well, diagnosis murder. That's

35:03

what we're looking for. I

35:06

saw some, I don't even know if

35:08

it was on Netflix or something. I

35:11

don't know what this is.

35:13

It might be the best show

35:15

in the world, but it

35:17

was called Reacher. And it's just

35:19

some guy who looks like.

35:21

Rob Gronkowski with a gun. Like,

35:23

who's gonna watch this shit?

35:25

Just some jacked dude with a

35:27

gun called Reacher. Every single

35:29

show. Not a riff on Jack

35:31

Reacher, isn't Jack Reacher a

35:33

Tom Cruise character? I think he

35:35

is. I don't know. Doesn't

35:37

it have to do with... Straight

35:39

up stealing other characters' names

35:41

at this point. Yeah, I don't

35:43

know but every show is

35:45

see this word docking can set

35:47

himself apart Yeah, he doesn't

35:49

he doesn't have to be the

35:51

guy a void here that

35:53

needs be filled the other one

35:56

from the 70s Dennis McLeod

35:58

or Dennis weaver is McLeod the

36:00

western hat wearing detective Hmm. They

36:02

were all it was like this Sunday

36:04

night mysteries. I believe it was every

36:06

Sunday. They rotated Colombo,

36:09

McLeod. Can't

36:12

think of the other one.

36:14

It wasn't the Mannex or the

36:16

Ironside, or Barnaby Jones. They

36:18

had their own slots elsewhere in

36:20

the week, but it was

36:23

McLeod, Colombo, and someone else was

36:25

in the rotation. I can't

36:27

think of it. Well, I will

36:29

say honorable mention, though, two

36:31

very good shows with our fairly

36:33

recent comparatively is Monk and

36:35

Psych. And they're Detective

36:38

shows okay quirky detective shows,

36:40

but both very good,

36:42

but yeah, like it's not

36:44

a hard -boiled detective show

36:46

Yeah, there's not much

36:48

not much of that element

36:50

in those so we

36:52

need that you can even

36:54

you could throw a

36:56

coal check the night stocker

36:58

on that pile Underrated

37:00

show Fielding Fowler says

37:02

Bannasek, George Prepard. George Prepard was... I

37:04

didn't even heard of that. I've never

37:06

heard of that one. I vaguely remember

37:08

that. And then McMillan and Wife. That's

37:11

it. Yep. That's

37:13

there. Man, there were a lot

37:15

of those, huh? Oh, yeah. That was

37:17

massive in the 70s. Was Heart to

37:19

Heart technically a detective show? There

37:21

were some crimes quite possible

37:23

and the other one I'll throw

37:25

on throughout their Dantana Vegas

37:27

I remember the name, but I

37:29

never saw like this. He's

37:32

more of a copper a detective

37:34

I can't remember it, but

37:36

yeah, there were dozens of these

37:38

shows all of them popular

37:40

Yeah, I do love that people

37:42

have literally any profession can

37:44

Can outdo the police on these

37:46

shows and solve the crimes? All

37:49

of these. Well, it's dark and should

37:51

be able to fill that role these

37:53

way. Last thing

37:55

before we get into the song,

37:57

Jerry Kern says it's the same character,

37:59

Reacher, John, Jack, Richard,

38:01

John Krasinski also play. Oh, right.

38:03

Does that to do with Harrison

38:06

Ford, old Harrison Ford movies? Or

38:08

no. Am I thinking a different

38:10

character? Like, clear and present danger,

38:12

isn't? I don't know. That's also

38:14

Jack Reacher. I am. Man. Maybe

38:16

there's something to it, but what

38:19

are we talking about here? Yeah,

38:23

I gotta love it All

38:25

right Well as soon as

38:27

we come into money next

38:29

week when the patreon stuff

38:31

comes up I'm gonna order

38:33

the shirt for myself the

38:35

hound shirt. Yeah, of course.

38:37

Yeah, I just googled dantana

38:39

to state to confirm my

38:42

suspicions Here's the opening of

38:44

the overview Handsome

38:46

Las Vegas gumshoe, Dan Tana,

38:48

investigates suspicious deaths for

38:50

his boss. Who's not going

38:52

to watch that? Sin

38:55

City bazillionaire

38:57

Philip Roth. Dan

39:00

Tana. Fall

39:02

guy too. Fall guy,

39:04

sure. Feeling so that technically a

39:06

bounty hunter but always solving crime

39:08

to free his man or bring

39:10

him in. I remember watching I

39:13

have a playlist of

39:15

Halloween TV shows, and

39:17

there's a Fall Guy one

39:19

with Elvira. She's

39:21

just trying to get his attention

39:23

the entire episode. Gee, I

39:25

wonder how she's doing that. Jugs

39:28

perhaps. He doesn't go

39:30

for it, but she's

39:32

pathetic the way she's

39:34

trying to not be

39:36

coming of a lady.

39:40

behavior not becoming of a lady. Is

39:42

that your suggestion? Well,

39:44

she's overcome, I'll say that

39:46

much. And

39:48

she's still kicking around. Oh,

39:50

yeah. I still see just randomly,

39:53

oh, she's at a convention. got

39:55

to be approaching Fogarty Hagar age,

39:57

right? I would say think so.

40:00

sure. She's got to be. Upwards

40:02

of late 70s still got

40:04

those jugs hanging out. You

40:06

gotta love that There's a

40:08

lot to like about that

40:10

Let's see and then we

40:12

can finally get on with

40:14

it. Oh, yeah, that's oh,

40:17

there's no way. She's only

40:19

that old 73. I'm sorry.

40:21

I don't believe her Well

40:23

women women, you know our

40:25

rumor to adjust there shave

40:27

a decade off and

40:30

Fielding Fowler tells us

40:32

she is a lesbian

40:34

now. So, okay, interesting.

40:36

Now, huh? Yeah, just

40:38

happened. During this episode. I

40:41

think that's another mystery

40:43

for Hound to investigate.

40:45

Elvira becoming a lesbian,

40:48

why it happened, get

40:50

to the bottom of

40:52

it. I tell ya,

40:54

I would already, I

40:56

would, Crowdfund I would

40:58

participate in crowdfunding this we should

41:01

reach out to the dock and

41:03

management Just say look this is

41:05

a free idea Yeah, I mean

41:07

cuz I don't know how many

41:09

people saw that video and reach

41:11

the same conclusion we did But

41:13

it it works Well It definitely

41:16

does got to do something if

41:18

this tour is in fact the

41:20

end then what's he gonna do?

41:23

Got to work. Yep

41:26

Alright, well, speaking

41:28

of work, we have

41:30

to work right now

41:32

and make way for one

41:34

of our favorite sponsors. So,

41:52

it's, you know, something

41:54

that was not uncommon

41:57

in the 80s to

41:59

start off with the

42:01

big harmony chorus, sans

42:03

instrumentation. Yep.

42:06

Well, yeah, in the, you give

42:08

love a bad name tradition. Someone's

42:12

hitting those high notes. Unless it's

42:14

a synthesizer, I'm not sure, but they

42:16

got somebody in there to do

42:18

it. Yeah, someone's. Someone's

42:20

really up there. Possibly the same

42:22

woman in the studio who is

42:24

having sex with all of the

42:26

members of Guns and Roses. Bullshit

42:29

story that we've talked about. They

42:31

should have Doc around investigate that

42:33

too. That'd be about a five

42:35

minute episode. Say

42:37

we found zero actual evidence.

42:40

Basically it would be like that.

42:42

I can't remember the show but

42:44

the bearded guy. Totally false.

42:46

Oh, yeah. Never had that

42:48

beyond belief. Yeah, that's it.

42:51

Yeah, complete horseshit. But anyway,

42:53

but yeah, no, I know

42:55

the bass player Jeff Pilsen

42:57

could sing a bit. So

43:00

sounds like three part

43:02

harmony is there. So

43:04

somebody's doing that super

43:06

high. Roger

43:08

Taylor register. Yeah. But

43:11

who did we find out who

43:13

produced this? Oh, yeah, there

43:15

was a let's see. There was a

43:17

team here. Oh, and by the way, the

43:20

songwriting is credited to all four members.

43:22

So I must have had a deal going there. Neil

43:27

Kernan and Michael Wagner. OK,

43:29

yeah, I was going to guess

43:31

Wagner, but. Yeah,

43:34

so this is we've just

43:36

gotten into the full band

43:38

coming in, but. From

43:41

a guitar nerd, guitar

43:43

tone perspective, this

43:45

is a high point

43:47

for 80s hard rock

43:49

guitar tone. We talked

43:51

about another high point

43:54

being thunder in the

43:56

east loudness. This

43:58

might eclipse that. This might

44:00

be the top of the heap

44:03

for the quintessential 80s hard

44:05

rock slash hair metal guitar tone

44:07

in my estimation. And I

44:09

know I'm not the only one

44:11

who thinks that way. So

44:14

from this album specifically, this album

44:16

specifically to the nail, like

44:18

I said, the predecessor to this

44:20

one, great album, great

44:22

songs, terrible

44:24

murky production, awful

44:26

drum sound. This

44:29

was, you know, similar

44:31

to what we talked about or what

44:33

I talked about in last week's BOC

44:36

episode. This constituted the

44:38

lifting of the blanket off

44:40

of the speakers. Suddenly

44:42

there's just a lot more

44:44

clarity, just much better

44:46

production on this one. And,

44:48

uh, you know,

44:50

I think they knew that this was

44:53

their chance to be, this is

44:55

their breakout opportunity and they made the

44:57

most of it. So,

45:00

um, Michael. I'm

45:03

sorry, not Michael. Neil

45:06

Kernan, the co -producer.

45:08

I was looking to see

45:10

what was he up to. What

45:13

else did he do this year, 1985?

45:16

Michael Bolton, Everybody's Crazy

45:18

album. Oh, wow. Featuring

45:21

former guest on the

45:23

show, Mr. Bruce Kulick.

45:25

Yeah, your buddy. Wonderful

45:31

first impression you made on

45:33

it, Nick. Well,

45:36

you know, they started that whole

45:38

construction project on 45th just because

45:40

that happened. Yes, they did. They

45:43

scuttled your

45:45

interaction with Qlik.

45:48

So tell me, what

45:51

are we waiting for?

45:53

It was gone in

45:55

15 minutes anyway. Anyway,

45:57

let's not dwell on one

45:59

of the low points of the

46:01

show, unfortunately. But

46:04

yeah, no, as we get

46:06

into it, I think we'll...

46:08

I mean, the other dock

46:10

and song we did was

46:12

from the previous album, The

46:14

Tooth and Nail, which was

46:16

Breaking the Chains. And I

46:18

just think, progressively, the production

46:20

got better as they were

46:22

sort of ascending in popularity.

46:24

And this... This and

46:26

the next one back for

46:28

the attack were pretty much

46:30

the pinnacle of 80s hard

46:32

rock production. Yeah, we had

46:34

a cassette copy of back

46:36

for the attack courtesy of

46:38

our older brother Jay, which

46:42

we did not have this one though. I

46:44

don't remember. No, I know the song, but

46:46

I don't think we had any other docking

46:48

albums in the in the household. Now,

46:51

as you've got the album

46:54

cover up on the

46:56

screen they also kind of

46:58

consciously at least on

47:00

the album a little less

47:02

so in the videos

47:05

which is a little odd

47:07

but Definitely went for

47:09

a more androgynous look certainly

47:11

on the album cover

47:14

so and I'm noticing that

47:16

they're using the four

47:18

kiss colors. Oh, yeah, look

47:20

at that Green red Blue

47:23

and purple. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Oh

47:25

every guy got their own

47:27

kiss color Interesting. I'll kiss a

47:30

band in that so why

47:32

not dock and necessarily because they

47:34

had the the color of

47:36

the the lips on the No,

47:38

you're right. You're right. Yeah, they

47:41

didn't they they still were

47:43

utilizing that At

47:46

this point strategy

47:48

with the individual the

47:51

different roles in

47:53

the band having its

47:55

own color All

47:57

right, let's keep going

47:59

Now the drums

48:01

are sounding better, but

48:03

still that's a

48:05

terrible snare sound it's

48:07

just it doesn't

48:09

sound like a snare

48:11

drum it just

48:14

sounds like It

48:16

sounds like a baseball bat

48:18

hitting a cantaloupe to

48:20

me. It's just it's got

48:22

no crack to it

48:24

It's got no top end

48:26

to it and just

48:28

a wash and reverb so

48:30

Docking really really suffered

48:32

from bad drum Sounds throughout

48:34

the their entire 80s

48:36

run and it's kind of

48:38

unfortunate. I mean overall

48:40

this album sounds better than

48:42

the previous one, but the

48:46

snare drum. That's

48:48

not how I want a snare drum

48:50

to sound in my music. The

49:19

delivery of vocally and

49:21

the melody could be

49:23

a Tesla song so

49:25

far. Yeah, very very

49:28

much has that vibe

49:30

to it Yeah, I

49:32

could see that Not

49:34

not anything really much

49:37

to report on pun

49:39

and pun intended as

49:41

far as lyrical content

49:44

just He's uh tormented

49:47

as he tries to

49:49

go to his slumbers.

49:52

Yeah, a lot of

49:54

docking songs are

49:56

similar subject matter of

49:58

the, you know,

50:00

the forlorn love, you

50:03

know, interest is

50:05

sort of on the

50:07

way out or

50:09

something. Like singing

50:11

about how wish things

50:13

could be different or Can

50:15

we patch this stuff

50:17

up or, you know, relationships

50:20

on the rocks basically

50:22

seem to be the overbearing

50:24

theme in Dockin' music. I'm

50:29

looking up, I didn't realize, for

50:31

some reason I thought Dockin was an

50:33

East Coast band, but it says

50:35

they're a Los Angeles band. I did not know

50:37

that. I don't know why in my mind I made

50:40

it up that they were one of those East

50:42

bands. mean, Lynch was always, he was like what, the...

50:47

What was he like number three guitar

50:49

player in LA for years? Is

50:51

that what they like with auditioning for? I

50:53

think I don't know. I mean, isn't that kind

50:55

of how he's known is like there's Eddie

50:57

Van Halen. There's Randy Rhodes. There's there's George Lynch.

51:00

Okay. Who I think got got

51:02

the Ozzy gig twice and then Ozzy

51:04

fired him twice. Really? I'm pretty sure

51:06

he got it. before Randy Rhodes and

51:08

Ozzie got rid of him and then

51:10

before J .K. Lee and then Ozzie

51:12

got rid of him. Just in rehearsals

51:14

or something? Something like that? Or did

51:16

he do something? What did you do, George?

51:20

These are just, I mean,

51:22

maybe... Something else Hound can

51:24

look into. That's why George

51:26

Lynch was kicked out or

51:28

fired from the Ozzie band

51:30

twice. Unsolved

51:33

rock mysteries. Don

51:36

Dawkins in his 70s already, huh?

51:38

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was I mean

51:40

he was when when Dawkins hit

51:42

he was already in his 30s. Okay.

51:45

Yeah, so he'd been around. And

51:47

George Lynch when he was younger was

51:49

a skinny dude. He was he

51:51

got into bodybuilding sometime in the 90s.

51:53

I kind of think of him that

51:55

way. If you said George Lynch, that's

51:57

what I think of. But yeah, back

51:59

then I just saw a picture from

52:01

85. Oh, yeah, he was definitely, you

52:03

know, the quintessential rail thin. L

52:06

.A. guitar, God. But

52:09

I would say that's accurate.

52:11

He's third on the depth chart

52:13

of top L .A. guitarists of

52:15

all time. Unless you want

52:17

to put Jake E. Lee as number

52:19

three. And

52:21

then that knocks him down

52:23

to number four. I

52:26

don't know. Yeah.

52:30

mean, to think about that one, but I

52:32

mean, Lynch is pretty

52:35

fucking high up

52:37

there. I mean, just

52:39

as we'll hear

52:41

as we get more

52:44

into it, but

52:46

incredible soloing, approach to

52:48

soloing, just unconventional,

52:51

yet conventional, great composition

52:53

to his solos. And

52:56

like Eddie Van Halen, also a

52:58

great rhythm player as we're hearing

53:00

so far. I

53:26

know I shouldn't interrupt the chorus the

53:28

first go here. But

53:30

it kind of, it doesn't

53:32

really make sense audibly how

53:34

we get to the chorus

53:37

and then the intensity of

53:39

the vocal is just, it

53:41

drops substantially. From the verse

53:43

to the chorus? Yeah. And

53:45

the intensity of the band. Comes

53:49

back a little bit him singing

53:51

during the verse It was at a

53:53

certain level of intensity and everything

53:55

like that and then once you got

53:57

to the chorus it actually Like

53:59

everything scaled back for some reason. Yeah,

54:01

you're right. Yeah, good call. I

54:03

Feel like this was a popular song

54:05

at the roller skating rink. Am I

54:08

right? You're probably right It's interesting that

54:10

this fits into that like with all

54:12

the typical I guess like Mon Jovi

54:14

or Def Leppard might have worked too,

54:16

but It wasn't, you know, you

54:18

didn't hear a lot of heart rock. It would

54:20

be more pop music. I

54:22

mean, I remember hearing Wild

54:24

Side at the Roller Dome.

54:26

Well, it was a different

54:29

time. It was a different time. I

54:31

mean, yeah, you also got your, what

54:33

was it, Debbie, whatever? Debbie

54:35

Gibson. Well, Debbie Gibson, but

54:37

wasn't there like a... More

54:39

just straight -up dance music. I

54:41

don't know Stevie B. I

54:44

see it's all it's just someone's

54:46

name like that. I can't remember

54:48

who but Debbie Q Could be

54:50

I don't know okay something else

54:52

howling What did they play he's

54:55

gonna go look for the roller

54:57

dome tape single named pop artists

54:59

that got played at roller rakes

55:01

and what happened to that person

55:06

Who killed Debbie Q

55:08

in the next episode

55:10

of Hound? What

55:13

were we talking about?

55:16

The intensity of the band drop.

55:18

Yeah, right. Yeah, I mean, I

55:20

remember the first time I heard

55:22

it, it was totally noticeable to

55:24

me and didn't bother me, but

55:27

I just thought that was interesting,

55:29

you know. Yeah, it's kind of

55:31

interesting production decision. It's it's

55:33

unusual because I mean, obviously

55:35

you want things to lead up

55:37

to the chorus in most

55:39

cases. That's what it seems like

55:41

a producer is trying to

55:44

get across. But right in this

55:46

case. Yeah,

55:49

I don't know. It's it's weird

55:51

with the extra voices how

55:53

it just kind of. I

55:56

don't know if it's some sort of

55:58

effect where if something's compressed too much it

56:00

actually the more you put on it

56:02

you would think in a room it's be

56:04

louder but on a recording like that

56:07

it actually can drop I know that in

56:09

the 80s, was that much of an

56:11

issue I'm thinking that's more in

56:13

the 90s with the loudness wars

56:15

and whatever they called it yeah I

56:17

think it was a conscious

56:19

decision maybe to make

56:21

the chorus

56:23

vocals a little more clear

56:25

I I know but definitely

56:28

noticeable. I

56:30

mean I noticed the first time I heard

56:32

it, so. on

57:23

your name leave

57:41

So, mean we took a

57:43

quite a stretch there

57:45

listening to it mm -hmm

57:47

it's I mean it's really

57:50

a well song, well

57:52

-written. know if you're trying

57:54

to get a pop

57:56

song that has that 80s,

57:59

guess we'll call it metal, sort of

58:01

an edge to it. It's

58:05

not exactly a power ballad, which

58:07

I appreciate because I'm not huge on

58:09

those myself. Yeah. But it has

58:11

that same sort of feel to it

58:13

or that same sort of vibe. It's

58:16

a good call. It's

58:18

a really well written and well done

58:20

song. It's a little

58:22

less jarring now that we've had a

58:24

couple more choruses, how it just sort

58:26

of drops and then the guitar is just sort of

58:28

doing like that arpeggio. I

58:31

mean, it sounds good

58:33

to me. But

58:36

I know it's it's I am

58:38

appreciating it more now that we're

58:40

listening to it like this Just

58:43

from the perspective of it's not

58:45

your typical power ballad But I

58:47

guess in 85, I don't know

58:49

that there was such a thing

58:51

as a typical power ballad. It's

58:53

definitely, I wouldn't classify as a

58:56

power ballad at all. I mean,

58:58

it's an uptempo rocker. I think

59:00

the subject matter of the song,

59:02

you could take the lyrics and

59:04

apply them to more conventional sounding

59:07

power ballad, but this isn't that.

59:09

It's just a uptempo

59:11

rocker. And I'm very

59:13

much appreciating that right now. Yeah,

59:16

and we're about to

59:18

hear Mr. Launch or

59:20

Lynch peel off one

59:22

of his trademark solos.

1:00:03

Love what it's doing right

1:00:05

now with just the guitar

1:00:07

happening, but I wanted wanted

1:00:09

to get your guys takes

1:00:11

on the solo I Thought

1:00:13

it was nice. Yeah, it

1:00:15

was great. I mean the

1:00:17

tapped harmonics at the beginning

1:00:19

and just you know is

1:00:21

trademark blazing fast runs, but

1:00:23

not like You know there's

1:00:25

breaks in there in between

1:00:27

and just different composed sections

1:00:29

going on, you know, it's

1:00:31

not like it's not like

1:00:33

a Vinnie Vincent or a

1:00:35

Vernon Reed solo where it's

1:00:38

just like nonstop shredding, you

1:00:40

know, there's shred portions and

1:00:42

then there's a little backs

1:00:44

a little bit, then it

1:00:46

comes back in. You know,

1:00:48

that kind of push and

1:00:50

pull is what sort of

1:00:52

sets him apart with his composition

1:00:56

of his solos and

1:00:58

I know his soloing always

1:01:00

kind of reminded me

1:01:02

of Glenn Tipton of Judas

1:01:04

Priest just he was

1:01:06

he was coming at it

1:01:08

in a different way

1:01:10

than most people wasn't wasn't

1:01:12

playing the typical blues

1:01:14

scale wasn't doing the neoclassical

1:01:16

stuff either at least

1:01:18

not obviously it was like

1:01:21

something different that I could never

1:01:23

really put my finger on, but

1:01:25

those two guys always sounded pretty

1:01:27

similar to me. About three

1:01:29

quarters of the way through the

1:01:31

solo. I don't know what he was

1:01:33

doing, but that pattern, just super

1:01:36

fast pattern, kind of reminded me of

1:01:38

something that I had seen. I

1:01:40

sent this video to Chris, actually. It was

1:01:42

that Jimmy Bell. from

1:01:46

House of Lords. And I guess he'd

1:01:48

been around for a long time on

1:01:50

the scene out there. But he was

1:01:52

in that band with Geyser Butler in

1:01:54

the 80s. But

1:01:56

yeah, there's a guitarist Jimmy

1:01:58

Bell and there's this one

1:02:00

video where he's playing like

1:02:02

this kind of blues thing,

1:02:04

but he does this absolutely

1:02:06

ridiculously fast pattern and kind

1:02:08

of reminded me of what

1:02:11

George Lynch was doing there. I

1:02:16

have to look it up. They enjoy their...

1:02:18

Is it an odd pattern? It

1:02:20

stands out because it's

1:02:22

just like, whoa, this is...

1:02:24

Like, musically speaking, it's

1:02:26

not any sort of profound,

1:02:28

emotive thing, but it's

1:02:30

just so fast, and it's

1:02:33

like, okay. I don't

1:02:35

know how many people could actually do that.

1:02:38

Gotcha. Yeah, I don't know.

1:02:40

I thought it was great. I don't know. You

1:02:42

guys have a lot more understanding of what

1:02:44

actually happened. I don't really, when a

1:02:46

guitar solo comes on, I don't

1:02:49

have the same experience where I

1:02:51

listen to it and I kind

1:02:53

of can understand with my hands

1:02:55

what they did. It's not my

1:02:57

thing. So if you guys liked

1:02:59

it, I liked it. And

1:03:01

at the end of the day, it's

1:03:03

George Lynch. He's one of the top

1:03:05

guitarists of all time, certainly in the

1:03:07

hard rock realm. I mean, Absolutely,

1:03:11

one of the most

1:03:13

accomplished and impressive

1:03:15

guitarists to ever come

1:03:17

down the pike. I

1:03:20

don't think anybody can dispute

1:03:22

that. Just incredible technique, tone,

1:03:25

great look on stage,

1:03:27

the complete package. You

1:04:10

got to love on the

1:04:12

studio recording when they bring out

1:04:15

all the concert Attractions like

1:04:17

when the everybody else drops

1:04:19

out accepted a guitar and then

1:04:21

it comes in with them,

1:04:23

you know big Drum hits

1:04:25

on every other count there

1:04:27

and then they the whole band

1:04:30

drops out and they reprise

1:04:32

the vocals of the intro.

1:04:34

It's all just like stuff that

1:04:36

you would typically hear in

1:04:38

a live setting to get the

1:04:40

crowd involved and all pumped

1:04:42

up. I'm a big

1:04:44

fan of when they put those

1:04:47

techniques on studio versions of songs.

1:04:49

It's, you know, if it's going

1:04:51

to get people going in a

1:04:53

concert venue, why wouldn't it get

1:04:55

people going? when they're

1:04:57

hearing on the radio in their car,

1:04:59

listening the stereo at home. Plus,

1:05:01

on a studio version like this, you're

1:05:04

going for a radio play, and

1:05:06

it's going to be a single. So

1:05:08

you're not, you're abbreviating

1:05:11

that. It's there, but

1:05:13

it's, then you go

1:05:15

see the band on tour, you're

1:05:18

going to get the, they're going to

1:05:20

really do it for a while, really

1:05:23

just play it up. Stretch

1:05:25

it out. Yeah, but it's

1:05:27

cool when there's an abbreviated version

1:05:29

of that on an actual,

1:05:31

you know, studio single It's not

1:05:33

really what we're talking about

1:05:35

right now, but just because you

1:05:37

said that it reminded me

1:05:39

of something Colin Bell our friend

1:05:41

taco sent an image You

1:05:43

were kind of... Colin's gonna get

1:05:45

it one of these days.

1:05:47

You guys are at odds with

1:05:50

each other. Yes, we are

1:05:52

Well Try to keep

1:05:54

your personal feelings aside here.

1:05:56

He sent me track

1:05:58

listing and song lengths for

1:06:01

a deep purple live

1:06:03

album. I'm not sure which

1:06:05

one you guys would

1:06:07

probably know, but it's a

1:06:09

double vinyl seven songs

1:06:12

Yeah, that's made in

1:06:14

Japan. It's made in

1:06:16

Japan. Oh, yeah Osaka

1:06:18

Tokyo Four sides seven

1:06:20

songs And the

1:06:22

fourth side is space

1:06:24

truck in 19 minutes and

1:06:26

42 seconds. It's so

1:06:28

unnecessary. It just doesn't

1:06:30

need to exist. I mean, there

1:06:33

is something about live albums where

1:06:35

it's kind of like it always

1:06:37

goes back to the intro of

1:06:39

Detroit Rock City on the studio

1:06:41

version. It's like, okay, that. First

1:06:43

time, that's pretty cool. When

1:06:45

you want to hear the song, you kind of

1:06:47

don't want to sit through that every time. I agree.

1:06:50

And live albums are cool to hear

1:06:52

the musicianship and the performances and everything

1:06:54

like that. But if you want just

1:06:56

to hear like a ripping version of

1:06:58

the song. It's

1:07:01

in there somewhere Yeah, but it's gonna

1:07:03

take a while. That's also what deep

1:07:05

purple did they were into the whole

1:07:07

Improvising and stretching out song so if

1:07:09

you were a deep purple deep purple

1:07:11

fan Oh, yeah, you were going to

1:07:13

the show you you knew that was

1:07:15

coming and you were looking forward to

1:07:17

it Yeah, I understand. I just when

1:07:20

I was looking at that I was

1:07:22

I couldn't believe it. It was

1:07:24

in disbelief. Child in time,

1:07:26

12 minutes, 25 seconds. Yeah. Lazy,

1:07:29

10 minutes, 51 seconds. Strange

1:07:31

kind of woman, 9 .36. The

1:07:34

mule. Maybe the worst title for a

1:07:36

song ever. 9 minutes, 50

1:07:38

seconds. Well, the mule is the

1:07:40

vehicle for the drum solo, I

1:07:43

believe. Okay. Well, Andy's

1:07:45

on board now. Right.

1:07:48

All right. Let's get back to

1:07:50

docking here. See,

1:08:12

toward the end of the

1:08:14

song here, we're really getting

1:08:16

the dynamic between when Don

1:08:18

Dockin is singing by himself

1:08:20

the lead, and then

1:08:22

I think that's what the

1:08:24

issue is, is it's too

1:08:26

blended when it comes to

1:08:28

the chorus. There's not that strong

1:08:31

Singular voice that's really carrying

1:08:33

it. Are you saying it's

1:08:35

the same issue as Jim

1:08:37

Gillette and nitro that we

1:08:39

analyze where he's singing however

1:08:41

many tracks at the same

1:08:43

time and it and it

1:08:45

loses Whatever power it has

1:08:47

it just becomes this weird

1:08:49

like wavy everything

1:08:52

because there's so many voices layered

1:08:54

together and it doesn't stand out

1:08:56

as a single dominant voice. It

1:08:58

makes sense and as Yngwie Malmsteen

1:09:00

would never say, in this case,

1:09:02

more would be less. kind

1:09:08

of watered down and

1:09:10

we're hearing because he's

1:09:12

interjecting now just his

1:09:14

voice by itself and

1:09:16

you can hear, okay,

1:09:18

there's that strong voice

1:09:21

Kind of carrying it and then

1:09:23

when it gets to the chorus,

1:09:25

it's every voice seems to be

1:09:28

exactly the same volume There's there's

1:09:30

not one Identifiable voice on top

1:09:32

of it and then everything and

1:09:34

then everything else is kind of

1:09:36

supporting it. It's like everything is

1:09:38

equal. Mm -hmm which sounds good

1:09:40

at the beginning when it's by itself

1:09:42

but when it's mixed in with all

1:09:44

the other instruments I think it's yeah

1:09:46

it's it stands out not necessarily in

1:09:48

a great way not that it takes

1:09:50

away from the song but it's just

1:09:53

something that as we're as we're listening

1:09:55

to it it's it's striking me right

1:09:57

now as Andy struck me earlier ten

1:09:59

times ten times I

1:10:22

apologize, but he just did

1:10:24

it twice where now that was

1:10:26

he did his voice over

1:10:29

the top of it and it's

1:10:31

It's kind of making me

1:10:33

wonder why it wouldn't have been

1:10:35

like that throughout all the

1:10:37

choruses You'd have preferred that huh?

1:10:40

Oh, I I guess so and

1:10:42

it just seems like it would

1:10:44

be more of a I don't

1:10:46

know defaults the right word But

1:10:49

it's just something that I think

1:10:51

in most cases that's what people end

1:10:53

up putting on a record or

1:10:55

a common strategy for doing that. So

1:10:57

I mean, does it make it

1:10:59

right or wrong because of that? I

1:11:02

don't know. But just interesting because

1:11:04

it's pretty unusual. I

1:11:22

had to do the sound

1:11:24

like a horse before the

1:11:26

song was over. That

1:11:28

was exactly what it got to sound like a horse

1:11:30

before the song is over. It's in

1:11:32

this contract. When do I get

1:11:34

to sound like a horse? All

1:11:36

right, well, there it is in my

1:11:38

dreams. I

1:11:42

chose the song

1:11:44

as submitted by Fielding,

1:11:47

Jackie, and Dave. I

1:11:50

will vote first and I'll give it a

1:11:52

sweet surrender. I'm

1:12:00

trying to add

1:12:02

the hound back to

1:12:04

the... That's going

1:12:06

to influence my vote

1:12:08

tremendously. The

1:12:11

hound image in the

1:12:13

live video stream. I

1:12:18

remember hearing this song all the time,

1:12:20

like you said, on radio. Probably saw

1:12:22

the video a bunch of times. And

1:12:24

like Chris said, it

1:12:26

wasn't anything exceptional about it

1:12:28

that stood out. That

1:12:30

was that memorable. But

1:12:32

that's a song I've heard a million times. Can't

1:12:35

deny that gigantic hook, Big Chorus.

1:12:37

Even though Nick has issues with the

1:12:39

way it was produced. Well,

1:12:42

undeniable Big Chorus. So,

1:12:45

sweet surrender from me. Who

1:12:47

wants to vote next? I'll

1:12:50

go next. I'll give

1:12:52

it a sweet surrender, of course. Sorry,

1:13:01

I'm just having so much fun with the AI here. got

1:13:04

another picture of the Hound, but anyway. He's

1:13:07

going to need a few of them. I'll

1:13:10

send this one over. What

1:13:15

did I do? Um,

1:13:19

yeah, I mean, it's, as I was

1:13:21

saying before, very

1:13:23

well written, well

1:13:25

arranged, produced, performed

1:13:27

song of this vein.

1:13:30

And I like

1:13:32

the fact that it

1:13:34

rocks the entire

1:13:37

time. And there's no

1:13:39

sort of, let's face it, it can

1:13:41

get a little pretentious when you

1:13:43

know it's going to be a power

1:13:45

ballad. a little predictable.

1:13:48

It's not a Power Bell. I'm saying

1:13:50

in cases where we have Power Bell

1:13:52

at songs, it can be very predictable

1:13:54

and come off a bit pretentious. Well,

1:13:56

sure. And I'm glad that this is

1:13:58

not one of those, although the subject

1:14:01

matter certainly lends itself to it. I

1:14:03

will agree with Chris. The guitar sound

1:14:05

great. Of course. Don

1:14:08

Docken sounds great. He does.

1:14:10

I do wish that his voice

1:14:12

was higher in the mix

1:14:14

than the rest of the voices that

1:14:16

were blending with it during the chorus.

1:14:19

I think he sounds really good, so. Love

1:14:22

it. Good stuff. There's

1:14:25

the hound in, I don't know what city,

1:14:27

I guess, is that New York? I guess. Could

1:14:30

be Tokyo. I was

1:14:32

just thinking, he'd be an

1:14:34

American detective in Tokyo.

1:14:36

Oh, yeah, that's good. That

1:14:38

could work. He

1:14:40

looks like Elon Musk in

1:14:42

that picture more than docket.

1:14:45

They got his distended belly

1:14:47

depicted accurately as well. Is

1:14:49

that what's going on with him

1:14:52

right now? Well, I think he goes

1:14:54

on with most people who advance

1:14:56

in age a little bit. All

1:14:59

right, Chris. A

1:15:01

sweet surrender, of course. Well,

1:15:04

I lost it. Idiot. Yeah,

1:15:13

I mean It's got it

1:15:15

all you know that like

1:15:18

I said, I think they

1:15:20

knew they were poised for

1:15:22

the breakthrough and you can

1:15:24

hear it in the attention

1:15:26

to the production except for

1:15:28

the snare sound of course,

1:15:30

but The production the songwriting

1:15:32

the performances the whole Totally

1:15:35

dialed in ready to take

1:15:37

that next step in their

1:15:39

career and of course, you

1:15:41

know Can

1:15:43

never can never tire

1:15:45

of hearing George Lynch

1:15:47

play just one of

1:15:50

the most unique styles

1:15:52

of all time just

1:15:54

incredible player All right,

1:15:56

well, you know what

1:15:59

happens now See now

1:16:01

this is where AI

1:16:03

gets derailed mm -hmm

1:16:05

What happened you could

1:16:07

you can you could

1:16:10

put that that image

1:16:12

up I just asked

1:16:14

for another alternate image

1:16:16

of the same character

1:16:19

Same character it kept

1:16:21

a sort of the

1:16:23

same theme mm -hmm, but

1:16:25

Let's see where where

1:16:27

is it at there

1:16:30

coming up right here

1:16:32

coming up That's not

1:16:34

it that's the that's

1:16:36

the one before Stop

1:16:39

it you There

1:16:41

it is. OK. I mean,

1:16:43

what? Where does that come from?

1:16:45

I mean, it's consistent with,

1:16:47

I guess, the theme of the

1:16:50

other images. But a guy

1:16:52

who looks from here like Seth

1:16:54

Rogen with a fedora playing

1:16:56

a saxophone in the rain. With

1:16:58

a poncho. With a poncho. Yeah.

1:17:00

I mean, it doesn't

1:17:02

take liberties. So

1:17:05

everybody can go to

1:17:08

bed tonight. and

1:17:10

rest easy. AI's not taking

1:17:12

over, at least not tonight. Not

1:17:14

tonight. All

1:17:16

right. Paul. Is

1:17:18

that a dog? I was trying to figure

1:17:20

that out. I think it's some kind

1:17:22

of a brush or plant that tipped over.

1:17:24

It looks like I zoomed in on

1:17:26

it. Interesting. Oh, yeah. I thought it was

1:17:28

a dog. Why would that be? I

1:17:30

don't know. Paul

1:17:33

Stanley wants to know if In My

1:17:35

Dreams is a rock and roll boner

1:17:38

classic. As voted by

1:17:40

the three rock and

1:17:42

roll boners in this

1:17:44

room. Anybody

1:17:53

offer you any

1:17:55

money to influence your

1:17:57

vote? No, I'm

1:17:59

waiting. Okay. Should we

1:18:01

stall for a minute? You

1:18:04

can PayPal me, Apple Pay, I'll

1:18:06

take it all. Zell,

1:18:09

whatever it may

1:18:11

be. Just unplugged

1:18:13

my headphones here. Amateur.

1:18:16

There go. Yeah, there's so many

1:18:19

payment apps now, right? Yeah.

1:18:21

Venmo, Zell. Venmo. My

1:18:24

vote's

1:18:27

in. Nick.

1:18:30

Mine is in also. My

1:18:36

vote is in. What's

1:18:40

the order? What

1:18:42

do you want to do? Write

1:18:45

it backwards Chris,

1:18:47

Nick, Andy. We could

1:18:49

write it backwards. Sure. Works

1:18:54

for me. Ready?

1:18:56

Yep. Rock. I'll

1:18:59

give it a roll. No

1:19:02

boner. Damn. You know, it's...

1:19:04

I have other docking songs

1:19:06

that I think are, that

1:19:08

I like much more. Yeah.

1:19:11

Can't really argue with how good

1:19:13

this one is. But yeah, it

1:19:15

could have gone either way for

1:19:17

me. Boner, no boner either

1:19:19

way. It could have. But

1:19:22

you know, be that as

1:19:24

it may. Dense, softy. My

1:19:27

favorite ice cream place. Which

1:19:32

I'm gonna look up on AI right

1:19:34

now. Yeah. Ice

1:19:36

cream place called

1:19:38

dense soft Boy There

1:19:40

you have it

1:19:42

I Don't know what

1:19:45

to tell you

1:19:47

If you're upset if

1:19:49

you disagree we

1:19:51

are so sorry Hope

1:19:53

nobody's mad at

1:19:55

me but they might

1:19:57

be might be

1:19:59

a little perturbed. She's

1:20:01

not on the

1:20:03

uh That's why we

1:20:05

changed my cast. Yeah. Yeah, we

1:20:07

sensed that there is gonna

1:20:09

be a problem. Yep Tim on

1:20:12

her on here live to

1:20:14

tear you apart. Yeah Well, she

1:20:16

might just come on over

1:20:18

here Yeah, she's not far away

1:20:20

far away from here. I

1:20:22

would deserve it What do you

1:20:25

guys want to do you want to

1:20:27

do a yardo questions when getting

1:20:29

that bed? We get

1:20:31

in a bit boss.

1:20:33

Have you gotten any

1:20:35

yards recently? Do any

1:20:38

of them lend themselves

1:20:40

to a lightning round?

1:20:42

We can plow through

1:20:44

them pretty quick. Let's

1:20:47

look quickly here AI

1:20:49

strikes again send it

1:20:51

I did All right,

1:20:53

well let me see

1:20:56

this is laughing You're

1:21:03

a wizard with the AI. Every

1:21:05

time I try to get an

1:21:07

AI image going that's got some

1:21:09

words in it, they're always spelled

1:21:12

wrong. I think it's getting better.

1:21:14

That used to happen when I

1:21:16

would goof around with it too.

1:21:18

But yeah, this one. This

1:21:21

looks like it would be maybe the airport. A

1:21:24

little. Where's that?

1:21:26

There it is. There

1:21:29

you go The dense softy

1:21:31

shop those are some there. I've

1:21:33

never seen ice cream and

1:21:35

glass well because not very practical

1:21:38

On a countertop not in

1:21:40

a freezer before but that's why

1:21:42

dense softy is differentiated itself

1:21:44

in the market. It's the unfrozen

1:21:46

ice cream Wow, you know

1:21:48

what we're We're I'm

1:21:50

mocking it, but I

1:21:52

think you're not just

1:21:54

because it's named for

1:21:56

a semi erection It's

1:21:58

because of the presentation

1:22:01

of the product Hey

1:22:03

hound brought to you

1:22:05

by dense off We've

1:22:07

got something here Just

1:22:09

offer this off at

1:22:11

a silver platter dockets

1:22:13

management dude you have

1:22:15

to do this yeah

1:22:19

Where's this at Jerry says he

1:22:21

sent me AI questions. Hold

1:22:23

on me find this. Oh, that's

1:22:25

now that would be fun

1:22:27

Let's see Jerry I'm looking for

1:22:29

it. Okay. I got it

1:22:31

Yep, thank you got him right

1:22:33

in front of me. All

1:22:35

right. Let's take a quick break

1:22:37

We'll be right back with

1:22:39

a Yardo questions from Jerry via

1:22:41

AI What

1:22:52

flavors we got there? We

1:22:54

got some aqua, lavender.

1:22:58

Interesting colors. Another

1:23:00

differentiator for dense salt.

1:23:05

You gotta set yourself apart in

1:23:07

the marketplace, especially in the ice

1:23:09

cream niche. If you figured out

1:23:11

how to do this, People

1:23:14

would come, people would flock to

1:23:16

Dent Softy. Ice creams and big

1:23:18

jars that don't need to be

1:23:21

frozen. They're not cold. We're

1:23:23

done with cold ice cream. Unfrozen

1:23:25

ice cream. Yep. All

1:23:29

right. So,

1:23:32

like we said, this week's Yardo

1:23:34

Questions comes to us from Jerry Kern.

1:23:37

Jerry says, I think this is a

1:23:39

pot of thunder first. I asked AI

1:23:41

to write, three short funny

1:23:43

questions for a rock and roll podcast. That's

1:23:45

fun. This is what I got. So this was

1:23:47

like two weeks ago he submitted these. Just

1:23:49

a coincidence. All right. I didn't write

1:23:52

any of this and don't claim that

1:23:54

they are even good questions. It even

1:23:56

wrote an analysis as to why the

1:23:58

AI thought these would be good LOL.

1:24:00

Okay. So the AI

1:24:02

says, here are three short funny

1:24:04

questions perfect for a rock

1:24:06

and roll podcast to keep the

1:24:08

tone light and entertaining.

1:24:11

Great, thank you, AI. Light

1:24:13

and entertaining is the

1:24:15

diet of frozen ice cream

1:24:17

that you can get

1:24:19

at Dentsoft. Alright,

1:24:23

question one. If

1:24:25

you could replace any band member

1:24:27

in rock history with a mime,

1:24:29

who would it be and why?

1:24:33

What? So it can't be a vocalist,

1:24:35

right? It can't be a mime. This

1:24:37

quirky question is sure to spark hilarious

1:24:39

and imaginative answers. Well, thank you for

1:24:41

it. I'm not

1:24:43

sure that it is sure. So

1:24:46

we're replacing a band member in

1:24:48

rock history with a mime. I would

1:24:50

say Steve and Tyler, some of

1:24:52

his mannerisms, lend himself to like the

1:24:54

mime in the box and stuff

1:24:56

like that. good. So that would be

1:24:58

good. Nick.

1:25:04

Oh, man.

1:25:06

So Chris went more

1:25:08

with not necessarily, it had

1:25:11

nothing to do with

1:25:13

silencing a singer, more

1:25:15

just that a mind presentation wise

1:25:17

would work. The physical mannerism

1:25:19

is where I was going. I

1:25:21

gotcha. Hmm. Um.

1:25:31

Let's see here Why

1:25:34

not Ronnie why

1:25:36

not Ronnie Dio? Okay,

1:25:39

he you know he

1:25:41

he did the very emotive

1:25:43

vocal Interjections hand work

1:25:45

the hand work. I think

1:25:47

you know he and

1:25:49

in close -ups in the

1:25:52

videos He makes the appropriate

1:25:54

faces for it So

1:25:56

I'm gonna go with Ronnie

1:25:58

Dio. I'm also thinking Glenn

1:26:01

Hughes in the No Stranger

1:26:03

To Love video, but I think

1:26:05

he practically is a mime

1:26:07

in that already. He's a mime

1:26:09

or someone in a coma,

1:26:11

one of the two. Possibly

1:26:14

both. Alright,

1:26:16

question two. What's

1:26:18

the most ridiculous thing you've

1:26:20

ever seen someone throw at

1:26:22

a rock concert? This invites

1:26:24

funny, possibly bizarre stories from

1:26:27

live shows. That's

1:26:29

a good question. I've

1:26:31

ever like seen like in

1:26:33

person or just in

1:26:35

general let's say in general

1:26:37

Yeah, cuz in person

1:26:39

I've seen a few things

1:26:41

I mean we've all

1:26:43

seen shoes get thrown You

1:26:45

see bars bottles bottles

1:26:47

sure Well,

1:26:52

I wasn't there, obviously.

1:26:56

I think it was somewhere

1:26:58

in Europe, possibly, at a

1:27:00

festival, but I think it

1:27:03

was... Danita Sparks of L7

1:27:05

pulled out her tampon and

1:27:07

threw it into the crowd.

1:27:09

So it was kind of

1:27:11

a reverse thing, but that's

1:27:13

kind of a legendary, gross

1:27:16

moment in rock history. That

1:27:18

fits the question. It's

1:27:21

so the question is most bizarre.

1:27:23

It says ridiculous ridiculous. Yeah, I

1:27:25

don't know that it's ridiculous and

1:27:27

it's not a specific instance But

1:27:30

I have seen it happen is

1:27:32

when people throw their demo tapes

1:27:34

up on stage Mm -hmm Can

1:27:36

never tell if the band is

1:27:38

just like Dismissive,

1:27:42

or they just hate this. But

1:27:44

I think it's one But either way,

1:27:46

it's not positive. Not that I've really

1:27:48

seen, right? It's either like,

1:27:50

you could tell that they're really annoyed

1:27:53

by it, or they just kind of

1:27:55

casually toss it to a safe area

1:27:57

where no one's gonna trip on it. They

1:28:00

want to put up fun. Did you ever do

1:28:02

that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you did? Oh

1:28:05

yeah. What bands did you, was it just

1:28:07

hub ring? I don't

1:28:09

think you had to toss

1:28:11

it to them. You could just

1:28:13

hand it to them. But

1:28:15

who would have been a toss?

1:28:17

Probably Aquabats. Maybe Aquabats. Maybe

1:28:19

Suicide Machines. I'm thinking like Metro

1:28:21

Bands. Yeah. Like Mustard Plug.

1:28:24

Mustard Plug. Yeah. House of

1:28:26

Blues Bands. Those types

1:28:28

of. Mustard Plug. That's another one.

1:28:30

You want to talk about lousy

1:28:32

names. I don't disagree with that.

1:28:34

I would hope not. I

1:28:37

thought of another one if you

1:28:39

could say something else. No,

1:28:41

I mean I can't I mean

1:28:43

aside from like the whole Diary

1:28:46

of a Madman tour of raw

1:28:48

meat stuff, which is completely like

1:28:50

if I if I'm cooking I'm

1:28:52

washing my hands if I touch

1:28:54

the raw meat. It's just the

1:28:57

thinking that it's a back -and -forth

1:28:59

between the band and the audience

1:29:01

throwing actual pieces of raw meat

1:29:03

at each other. which

1:29:05

I believe happened. The wasp was

1:29:07

known to do that as well. That

1:29:10

seems like

1:29:12

that's just a

1:29:14

liability. Yeah,

1:29:16

maybe at that point in time

1:29:18

it wasn't considered such a thing.

1:29:21

Well, the liability doesn't enter into

1:29:23

your thinking when you're going for

1:29:25

the pure shock about it. The

1:29:27

one I just thought of is, speaking

1:29:30

of the Metro, Remember

1:29:33

my band, the Mean Reds, you

1:29:35

know how they used to have early

1:29:37

shows and late shows? Is

1:29:39

it like an early show tended to

1:29:41

be like national act and then the

1:29:43

late shows would start about 11 or

1:29:45

so. Midnight and be

1:29:48

like local bands. So

1:29:50

we were on the late show, Bill.

1:29:54

And the early show was Hole

1:29:56

and Maruka Saul. Hole,

1:29:58

of course, trodden by

1:30:00

Courtney Love. And

1:30:02

this was shortly after

1:30:04

Francis Bean Cobain was born.

1:30:07

Okay. When we were going

1:30:09

out after they had cleared

1:30:12

their stuff and we were going

1:30:14

out to set up our

1:30:16

back lines, there were at least

1:30:18

four baby bottles had been

1:30:20

thrown toward Courtney Love, I guess.

1:30:24

uh, recognition of

1:30:26

the birth of her daughter. Like

1:30:28

congratulations. Yeah. a baby bottle.

1:30:30

Yeah. At least four on stage when

1:30:32

we were setting up our back lines.

1:30:35

Very strange. I'm willing to bet she

1:30:37

didn't pack those up and take them

1:30:39

home. No, she didn't. They were still

1:30:41

sitting there on the... A dumb waste

1:30:43

of money. Exactly. I mean...

1:30:45

And four people thought of it.

1:30:47

Absolutely ridiculous, yeah. Thought they

1:30:49

were gonna, you know, make an

1:30:51

impression on smacked out

1:30:53

Courtney Love by throwing a

1:30:55

baby bottle at her.

1:30:57

Yeah. So. All

1:31:00

right. You answered,

1:31:02

right? Yeah. You were content

1:31:04

with your answer. I'm

1:31:06

not questioning it. You look like

1:31:09

you were thinking this way. I

1:31:11

mean, I mean, really just the

1:31:13

whole raw meat thing is completely

1:31:15

outrageous thinking about it. Modern perspective.

1:31:19

Yeah. Throwing actual produce at

1:31:21

each other. Ducky

1:31:24

stuff. Question three. If

1:31:26

rock stars had to fight

1:31:28

each other in a WWE

1:31:30

-style battle royal, who would

1:31:33

win and why? This playful

1:31:35

question lets everyone debate what's rock

1:31:37

icon to dominate. We don't

1:31:39

need that. I know, but it's

1:31:41

so obnoxious. Well...

1:31:48

Who would it be? Like entire

1:31:50

bands like huge tag team type

1:31:52

things or like one -on -one? Well,

1:31:54

I think it was saying who

1:31:56

would the individual be would win

1:31:58

in a large scale brawl with

1:32:00

30 people from different bands. A

1:32:02

survivor series scenario is pretty interesting

1:32:04

as well. to do a whole

1:32:06

band. But I think in this

1:32:09

case it's saying who would be

1:32:11

the one out of if you

1:32:13

put 30 band members in a

1:32:15

ring. Who's winning? Okay, well, it's

1:32:17

going to be the drummer from

1:32:19

the rock and roll girls video. Fogarty

1:32:22

guy? Yeah, he's clearly

1:32:25

got the endurance. Focus

1:32:29

intensity? Focus intensity.

1:32:32

But as far as a

1:32:34

quote unquote rock icon. So

1:32:37

you've got your rockers

1:32:39

who have that image.

1:32:42

You know, for a while, Danzig

1:32:44

had that image of kind of

1:32:46

being like the buff dude up

1:32:48

on stage. Until that video circulated,

1:32:50

if him getting knocked out backstage

1:32:52

by a random guy. Like you

1:32:54

got Kane Roberts. I

1:32:57

was thinking that along those

1:32:59

lines too, but trying to

1:33:01

think of who who strikes

1:33:03

me as would be the

1:33:05

big, the best fighter. I'm

1:33:07

going just someone who I

1:33:09

think is A machine. A

1:33:11

really nice guy when

1:33:14

I met him, but

1:33:16

an absolute machine like

1:33:18

completely master of his

1:33:20

being. Yeah. Bobby

1:33:22

Rock is going to win this. Oh,

1:33:24

OK. He's going to take it. Yeah.

1:33:28

It's a good call. Yeah, that

1:33:30

is a good one. Plus he's,

1:33:32

you know, he's once detonated on stage

1:33:34

or in a video and survived

1:33:36

it. So how are you going to,

1:33:38

how are you going to compete

1:33:40

with that? And who's going, who is

1:33:42

he going to throw out? It's

1:33:44

going to be the last two. He's

1:33:47

going to, he's going to toss

1:33:49

Jim Gillette. Oh, Jim Gillette, legitimate.

1:33:51

At one point, maybe even now,

1:33:53

could have been the winner of

1:33:56

that. He's winning. Jiu Jitsu

1:33:58

tournaments to this day. Scary

1:34:01

individual. Bigger

1:34:03

guy than Bobby Rock,

1:34:05

though. Okay.

1:34:09

I gotta say that this

1:34:11

individual I'm thinking of might

1:34:13

actually be able to back

1:34:15

up his imposing, intimidating image

1:34:18

on stage in that one

1:34:20

fill and sell model. I

1:34:22

don't think I'd want to

1:34:24

tangle with that guy. Especially

1:34:26

when he's been dabbling in

1:34:29

the smack. It's

1:34:31

a completely unhinged

1:34:33

individual, angry individual.

1:34:36

Maybe not so much anymore, but

1:34:38

like during the Pantera Hay Day,

1:34:40

I don't think you'd want to

1:34:42

mess with that guy in a

1:34:44

physical altercation. I think in this

1:34:46

question we can specify a time

1:34:48

period too. We're playing fantasy time

1:34:51

period. Yeah, I'd say prime

1:34:53

and Selmo in the 90s.

1:34:55

I gotta believe he'd back

1:34:57

up the whole, you know,

1:34:59

hard -ass image that he

1:35:01

fostered back in those days.

1:35:03

And if I may, at

1:35:06

who he's gonna throw out

1:35:08

to win. I'm

1:35:10

going with mid 90s Henry

1:35:12

Rollins. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:35:17

It's Phil Enselmo, a tall

1:35:19

guy. I don't know. I

1:35:21

don't know either. He always seemed average

1:35:23

height to me, but I have no

1:35:25

idea. Not that that necessarily matters. I

1:35:27

was just curious if he was a

1:35:29

big person or not. It's

1:35:32

like Danzig's notoriously short of stature.

1:35:34

You could be five feet tall

1:35:36

and kick the shit out of

1:35:38

everyone. It doesn't matter. Dan Spitz

1:35:40

was in pretty good shape. Yeah.

1:35:42

Well, he's 4 '11", or whatever.

1:35:44

Yeah, I'm not saying that's the

1:35:46

factor that will make you be

1:35:48

good at fighting, whether or not

1:35:50

you're tall. I'm just curious. According

1:35:53

to the internet, he's six

1:35:55

feet tall, so pretty tall.

1:35:57

Yeah. All right.

1:35:59

Well, there you go. Thank

1:36:01

you, Jerry, for your AI -generated

1:36:03

questions. Yeah,

1:36:06

that worked out. Actually,

1:36:08

if you didn't say

1:36:10

they were AI, I

1:36:12

wouldn't have batted an eye at them. Yeah.

1:36:16

And they didn't have their

1:36:18

little explanations as to why they're

1:36:20

fun and engaging. Exactly. Trying

1:36:23

to lead the horse to water. Running

1:36:26

its mouth too much at that

1:36:28

point. Fielding Fowler says, well, you have

1:36:30

one in both categories, Jericho. Yeah.

1:36:35

Yeah, that's true. It's a good one.

1:36:37

It's an obvious one. Yeah. I think

1:36:39

that's the thing, is it's an obvious

1:36:41

one. OK. It's so

1:36:43

obvious I didn't even think of

1:36:45

it. But yeah. I'm

1:36:47

standing by in Selmo. Seems

1:36:49

to have more of a mean

1:36:51

streak than Jericho does. I'm

1:36:56

going with Prime Angry Anderson. Or

1:36:59

just some one of those guys in

1:37:01

the band who's name I don't know

1:37:03

yeah, yeah bass player of rose to

1:37:05

all of those guys look like they've

1:37:07

been done time and prison And who

1:37:09

does it who does angry throw out

1:37:11

you got it you got it. Oh,

1:37:13

it has to be sweet throw out.

1:37:15

Yeah, I think so. I think it's

1:37:17

more fun that way Who would be

1:37:19

good? Who

1:37:22

is the

1:37:24

final Who

1:37:28

does who does angry

1:37:30

pull the top rope

1:37:32

down as they're coming

1:37:35

at him? You know

1:37:37

he Drops to the

1:37:39

ground and pulls the

1:37:41

ropes down and the

1:37:44

guy falls over Jerry

1:37:46

only yeah, we're sticking

1:37:48

to that. I don't

1:37:51

know yeah Could

1:37:53

be Jerry only. Could be Doyle.

1:37:55

Doyle. Any of the misfits, really.

1:37:57

Yeah. Yeah, that works.

1:37:59

Toss Jerry out. Plus those guys

1:38:01

briefly dabbled in wrestling. That

1:38:04

didn't go well. Late

1:38:06

90s. Really? I didn't know

1:38:08

that. Yeah, they were... In

1:38:10

actual, in a match? Or just

1:38:12

performing. Yeah. Jerry only wrestled

1:38:14

Dr. Death, Steve Williams and WCW.

1:38:16

Oh my. Or,

1:38:18

I don't know, I

1:38:20

don't remember even if it

1:38:22

was a... Like a

1:38:24

one a singles match, but

1:38:26

there was something I

1:38:28

Mean ICP could be thrown

1:38:30

in ICP legit wrestlers.

1:38:32

Yeah All right, well, thank

1:38:34

you for your yard

1:38:36

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1:38:40

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