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1:42

administration. We just grabbed

1:45

him upshakes.

1:48

Just walk off

1:50

as strangers? Tell

1:53

us not as a

1:55

stranger. Yes, he is.

1:58

Inside now. Okay. I'm sorry,

2:00

but he was out here,

2:03

and he could hear everything

2:05

in there. Don't you tell

2:08

me how to parent? Look,

2:10

this whole nice guy? This

2:13

might work on other people.

2:15

I'm a parole officer, 15

2:18

years, and I can see

2:20

what you are. Well, you're

2:23

an alcoholic shitbag who beats

2:25

women, so please enlighten me.

2:28

You're a freak. So

2:31

stay away from Paco because if

2:33

you don't, I gotta grab a

2:35

steak knife and then cut those

2:37

free guys out. There are scary

2:39

people in the world, Beck. That's

2:41

why it's important to be safe.

2:43

And why I have to do

2:45

what I'm about to do. So

2:48

this is Daniel Cosgrove, who plays

2:50

Paco Stepdad, who I think is

2:52

exceptional. as an I it's a

2:54

hard role to play really hard

2:56

and this is this is fun

2:58

this is gonna date me a

3:00

little bit so I watched a

3:02

lot of 9-0-2-0 growing up because

3:04

that I was yeah oh yeah

3:06

he's so good in this part

3:09

and I remember the first day

3:11

working with him and this is

3:13

two two day the only to

3:15

date rather the only time this

3:17

has ever happened to me I

3:19

slept through my alarm And I

3:21

and my phone died like it

3:23

wasn't plugged in the phone in

3:25

the apartment I was staying and

3:27

had gotten disconnected was like you

3:30

know perfect storm so they couldn't

3:32

reach me and finally somehow I

3:34

woke up and it was like

3:36

I was woke up like five

3:38

minutes before I was supposed to

3:40

be on set luckily I come

3:42

early but I I was so

3:44

shaken that I showed up just

3:46

by that and then Daniel's there

3:48

and it's like so lovely but

3:50

I'm like because I ran. to

3:53

every, you know, holding my, I'm

3:55

dripping sweat and it's summer in

3:57

New York and I'm literally like...

3:59

I don't remember this. I'm like.

4:01

literally dripping sweat and I'm trying

4:03

to give him direction. I think

4:06

he looked at me like, are

4:08

you okay? I'm like, don't waste

4:10

a Coke. I literally looked like

4:12

a vagrant who had like stumbled

4:14

into this stage and started giving

4:17

people direction. Anyway, that's my memory,

4:19

but Daniel was so wonderful and

4:21

just absolutely knocked it out of

4:23

the park. That's so funny. Was that

4:25

your first day giving him direction? Yeah,

4:27

I think it was literally last. Yeah.

4:30

I was careful to call the gas

4:32

company on a day when you had

4:34

a full schedule. Did you know the law requires

4:37

gas leaks to be investigated?

4:39

I've been learning a lot since I met

4:41

you. Beck, you left the door open again.

4:43

I thought we said we weren't going

4:45

to do that anymore. I was careful

4:47

to call the gas company on a

4:49

day when you had a full schedule.

4:52

I would want to scare you. Hey.

4:54

Is back here? Nope, super, let me

4:56

in. Someone reported a leak. Right, yeah,

4:58

she mentioned that. Is everything okay? Yeah,

5:00

all clear. Tell your girlfriend there's no

5:02

leak. Done so. Okay, thanks. Well, I

5:04

can just lock up. This is one of

5:06

those moments that I have to say, having

5:09

not seen it in so long.

5:11

People are constantly telling me people

5:13

are always saying like it's so scary

5:15

like that he can be the way

5:17

and you know I'm at this point

5:19

like you know the frog in the

5:21

boiling water I'm just like huh well

5:23

yeah sure yeah you know but but this

5:25

is one of those moments where this

5:27

feels feasible I mean it's disturbing

5:30

and it would take an incredible

5:32

amount of you know just like

5:34

it was just lack of bound

5:36

all kinds of things but this

5:38

is one of those things that

5:40

I think is really insidious and

5:42

smart and and and has a

5:44

nuance to it that is like

5:46

yeah that's um that feels like

5:48

that could happen right yeah this

5:50

Wow with this guy something else.

5:52

No, there's people who I don't know

5:54

if it's because of the show But I

5:57

feel like since the show there are people

5:59

on tic-talk who That's their whole thing

6:01

is they show you how easy

6:03

it is for you to be

6:05

found like if you comment and

6:07

say like bet you can't find

6:09

My my birthday or whatever and

6:12

then they'll go through and then

6:14

make a video of like I

6:16

know that your grandma Like works

6:18

at this place and da da

6:20

da da da and it's it's

6:22

wild actually Greg Berlante and Sarah

6:24

Gamble when they were pitching this

6:26

show to the various studios They

6:28

did that to different executives. Yeah,

6:31

and I think when they were

6:33

pitching it at Showtime. I don't

6:35

remember. It was at Showtime for

6:37

a minute. Yeah, Showtime was the

6:39

most interested before they passed. But

6:41

yeah, they apparently were doing this

6:43

to all the executives in the

6:45

room. Because the whole point was

6:47

that this was like just after

6:50

Mr. Robot had become a huge

6:52

thing and it was like. He's

6:54

not that guy. The point is

6:56

that he's like bumbling through this.

6:58

Yeah. But it's very easy to

7:00

find so much personal information. You

7:02

know. You owe me 20 more

7:04

pages? I've been honestly working every

7:06

day and grading papers. The schedule

7:09

is too rigorous to drop back

7:11

to part-time. But then I won't

7:13

qualify to TA. I need the

7:15

cash, the housing. I lose my

7:17

place. I'm sure you figure it

7:19

out. You're smart or you wouldn't

7:21

be here. Please. I'll get you

7:23

the pages by the end of

7:25

the week. I can't go to

7:28

part-time, okay? I'm rooting for you.

7:30

You just need to keep up.

7:32

Happy to discuss further, after class,

7:34

some evening. If we're going to

7:36

seriously discuss poetry, it should be

7:38

over a drink. There's a little

7:40

gastropop I love. So this is

7:42

2017, right? Not that long ago,

7:44

but it is pre-me too, right?

7:47

Just pre though. Barely. During the,

7:49

during, while we were shooting that

7:51

happened. I remember having a conversation,

7:53

well, we would get there, when

7:55

they go on the date, and

7:57

he touches his leg onto the

7:59

table. And I was, I was

8:01

chatting with. Somebody in the costume

8:03

department, a woman, and I said,

8:06

we were talking about for Elizabeth,

8:08

sort of what she would be

8:10

wearing, and she kind of, she

8:12

knows what Professor Lee he's up

8:14

to, right? And I was like,

8:16

oh, is, like, is, you know,

8:18

is this ever, this kind of

8:20

thing ever happened to you? And

8:22

she looked at me like I

8:25

had to it. She's like, she's

8:27

like, and you know, very seriously,

8:29

this has happened to every woman

8:31

you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

8:33

again, I have a sister and

8:35

I'm like, felt, because at that

8:37

time I was 21, no, at

8:39

that time I was already in

8:41

my 30s and I'm like, you

8:44

know, the fact that that was

8:46

new information to me was upset,

8:48

and it's really stuck with me

8:50

too, that the way she said

8:52

it. I bet you're too drunk

8:54

to be alone. What if some

8:56

sicko had followed you down here?

8:58

And you're too wasted to be

9:00

standing so close to the tracks.

9:03

Beck, stop texting at arrogant club

9:05

soda, no show dickhead. You want

9:07

Benji? You want Benji? You need

9:09

Benji. You hold that phone like

9:11

it is Benji, because it's your

9:13

only means to stay connected. Forget

9:15

Benji. And to hell with that

9:17

phone like it is Benji, because

9:19

it's your only means to stay

9:22

connected. Forget Benji. And to hell

9:24

with that phone. I

9:28

want to just call something of attention

9:30

here. It's going to happen now. When...

9:32

And I'm really remembering this, almost like

9:35

I'm seeing it for the first time.

9:37

This is a really smart device where

9:39

they run in like now. he's actually

9:42

trying to leave. Yeah. And she ends

9:44

up where he is. And she actually

9:46

ends up in danger. And he actually

9:49

saves her. Right. Like this is, this

9:51

is, this is such a, in a

9:53

way on our part, like a smarmy

9:56

device. Because they were just like. He

9:58

left. He wasn't even trying to follow

10:00

her anymore. But that's the tightrope. And

10:02

again, I'm not us, but Caroline, Greg,

10:05

Sarah, who wrote all this, reeling you

10:07

back in by something redeemable. Every time

10:09

you're like, oh, that's creepy shit. Oh,

10:12

something redeeming, you know. And he actually,

10:14

like, he's really listening to her poetry.

10:16

Right. You know, and in this part,

10:19

he seems like a guy is just

10:21

like, you know, Get out of this.

10:23

I gotta get out of this relationship.

10:26

And that's like the whole device for

10:28

season two, right? Is that he's really

10:30

trying to like change and, right? Well,

10:33

I guess it technically is after this

10:35

every season. Yeah. Should we talk about

10:37

the fact that if you want to

10:40

shoot on a subway in New York?

10:42

You have to attend all-day MTA class?

10:44

That's right. Oh my God, and you

10:47

guys actually had to lay on those

10:49

disgusting tracks. I cannot get over that

10:51

you do it. You guys, not you

10:54

guys, Elizabeth Lail. I remember when she

10:56

was doing it, I was like, I

10:58

was, I was like, you gotta be

11:01

like, leptosirosis on those tracks? Like, I

11:03

mean, to this day, and I've worked

11:05

with some great people, but like, nobody...

11:08

more game and down for the cause

11:10

than Elizabeth Leo. I mean to do

11:12

that like I would like and that's

11:15

like five minutes like how much time

11:17

did she actually spend on the tracks?

11:19

A lot. I mean yeah I mean

11:21

there's a there's a piece where when

11:24

her head hits the that we did

11:26

on stage and green screen and we

11:28

just commented in. No but I'm of

11:31

the mine and I'm sure when you're

11:33

directing you're not going to ask. And

11:35

I wouldn't never ask an actor or

11:38

anybody on the cast or do something

11:40

I wouldn't do. And I was like,

11:42

I don't know if I would do

11:45

it. Was this a real station? Did

11:47

you have to shut down a station?

11:49

Well, it's a station that's inactive. So

11:52

basically any time you see a New

11:54

York station, it's this station that's been

11:56

redressed. As far as I know, unless

11:59

that's at least was the case then,

12:01

I don't know if it's different now,

12:03

but yeah. Because you can't shoot in

12:06

the subway, it's just like an impossibility.

12:08

Unless you steal shots, which we've, you

12:10

know, I've done that in the projects.

12:13

In the beginning. Yeah, that one, that

12:15

one shot, yeah, exactly, exactly. You okay?

12:17

Are you all right? Can you stand

12:20

up? Just stay still. Half that shit

12:22

down there can let you get it.

12:24

All right, so just give me your

12:27

hand. Lee

12:49

this scene is just so iconic tell

12:51

us about everything you had to balance

12:53

directing it wow look at that Titanic

12:55

worthy shot love it love it did

12:58

you forget about that I did I

13:00

did do it great but yeah can

13:02

you talk us through all the different

13:04

elements well again I remember pretty well

13:06

here's what I remember pretty well like

13:09

it is at least on a TV

13:11

show, a relatively complex sequence because we're

13:13

on a subway track. We didn't, you

13:15

know, we had a subway that went

13:17

by a real subway car, went by

13:20

the stunt of her falling in, and

13:22

we had one day. We were just

13:24

down there for one day. I remember

13:26

we kind of tried to shoot everything

13:28

in order as best we could. I

13:31

was most, you know what a subway

13:33

platform is like in August. It was

13:35

miserable and you're in a jacket, you

13:37

know, Elizabeth, anyway. We definitely storyboarded the

13:39

whole thing. So it was very meticulously

13:42

sort of planned out. I do remember

13:44

we kind of tried to shoot everything

13:46

in order as best we could. I

13:48

was most nervous about it because a

13:50

lot of times you don't get to

13:53

do that. Right. But it just helped

13:55

in terms of continuity and everything else.

13:57

and everything. She had to get dirty.

13:59

And there's also this stuff of like,

14:02

you know, once we brought this MTA

14:04

step, but once we brought the subway

14:06

car in, they have to turn the

14:08

third rail on to do that. Oh,

14:10

right. But to be down in the

14:13

subway for crew and gear and actors

14:15

to be down there, they have to

14:17

turn it off. And it's not like

14:19

just somebody flipping a switch, it's sort

14:21

of a thing. So the order in

14:24

which we shot it, I had to

14:26

take that into consideration into consideration. that

14:28

you falling into frame with her. and

14:30

feeling like it was too big a

14:32

cheat because effectively they come out this

14:35

way yeah and then we and then

14:37

they land that way yeah I know

14:39

and so it's it's a cheap but

14:41

I mean you wanted you wanted the

14:43

train to rush right and I remember

14:46

I remember it was so much pressure

14:48

to get the timing right and I

14:50

remember it was like there was so

14:52

much pressure to get the timing right

14:55

and it's sort of thing and it

14:57

would in on our tight schedules like

14:59

okay we didn't if we don't get

15:01

that let's reset the train and wait

15:03

45 minutes, you know for the train

15:06

to go back to it. It was

15:08

like a lot of pressure. It's so

15:10

hot Yeah, but I but I do

15:12

feel like we did well I don't

15:14

know I mean yeah But I mean

15:17

you didn't have to reset it and

15:19

wait the 40 I think I think

15:21

we did it three times Yeah, I

15:23

think we did it three times. Yeah,

15:25

I was going to say I was

15:28

going to say twice, but it's probably

15:30

right. We did it more than once

15:32

and we definitely didn't do it more

15:34

than you know you've been doing it

15:36

as long as I have. You're so

15:39

used to like, just to drink somebody's

15:41

soup that's been in their mouth. Yes,

15:43

it was. It was like, it was

15:45

just one of these days that's very,

15:48

very, very, very uncomfortable. You have to

15:50

act like, you know, I'm not, of

15:52

these days, that's very, very, very, very

15:54

uncomfortable. You know, I'm not, of course,

15:56

complaining about it. It's just an interesting

15:59

thing where, you're never dressed for the

16:01

weather. It's uncanny. You think once in

16:03

a while it would work out never

16:05

ever does. It's like you're either very

16:07

hot or you're very cold and you

16:10

have to act like neither is true.

16:12

I don't know how it always works

16:14

that way. Pilot of Gossip Girl was

16:16

shot in the dead of winter and

16:18

the women were having to deal with

16:21

all kinds of short skirts. So we

16:23

go back to shoot the second episode

16:25

in the dead of August summer. And I

16:27

had a scene that we had to...

16:29

Pick up where I'm in my full scarf

16:31

jacket, everything in a cab that can't have

16:34

AC on for sound. Oh my god. And

16:36

I'm telling you, that is stuck out of

16:38

my brain. Yeah, at 20 years old is

16:40

like one of the worst feelings I think

16:42

I've ever had. Just like, just

16:44

feel like you're losing your mind.

16:47

And you can't get out. You're

16:49

just sitting there. You got the

16:51

scarf on. You're sweating. You have

16:53

to act like you're not. You're

16:55

not constantly. You're not constantly dab

16:57

it. Dissociate that's why I'm so good at it So she

16:59

like spits out all the yeah, she just spit out all the all

17:01

the soup and it like definitely went in my mouth Did it

17:03

get in your eyes? No, I don't think so I mean honestly the

17:05

thing about the discomfort what I'm trying to say is I don't

17:07

even really remember And then because you had to do more than

17:10

one take how do you take a quick shower like how does

17:12

that work? No, you just you wipe it off. It's it's a lot

17:14

of it kind of it kind of it kind of it kind of like

17:16

um, kind of like um, kind of like um, I mean, I mean, I

17:18

mean, I mean, kind of like, I mean, I mean, like, like, like,

17:20

like, like, like, like, like, I mean, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:22

like, like, like, like, like, I mean, like, like, like, like, like, like,

17:24

like, like, like, like, some kind of stunty like padding

17:26

on my back right because I was falling

17:28

right down on my back on the tile

17:31

and had to do it you know in

17:33

the rehearsal at least certainly had to do

17:35

it over and over so to make sure

17:37

that we were all prepared so I was

17:39

constantly I think you know what I was

17:41

doing I really they had a bunch

17:43

of um you know extra shirts and

17:45

jackets down there so again it's not

17:47

like I'm complaining but it's one of

17:49

these things where you know in between

17:51

takes, I'm having a change in and

17:53

I'm covered at this point in like

17:55

fake subway dirt, and a lot of

17:57

real sweat, probably. So much real sweat.

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my god, I'm so sorry. No,

25:00

it's fine, it's fine. I, yeah,

25:02

I hated, I hated this jacket.

25:04

Yeah. I really am, I'm sorry.

25:06

Okay. You mind? Sure. Um, you

25:08

know, let's get you in a

25:10

cab, right? At the risk of

25:12

more patting ourselves on the back.

25:14

This scene I remember feeling... kind

25:17

of good doing, because we had

25:19

kind of made it through the

25:21

tough part of the day. And

25:23

it felt like... You filmed this

25:25

the same day? No, no, sorry.

25:27

I think we had come from

25:29

the alley with Benji, is my

25:31

recollection. The alley is like right

25:33

down the street. But we... It

25:35

just felt kind of like less...

25:37

Stressful than like the subway day

25:39

and it just felt like the

25:41

two this this amount of show

25:43

for a moment Yeah, and and

25:45

and it felt like it just

25:47

felt like being out on the

25:50

street in New York at at

25:52

night during the sun which which

25:54

it was of course But I

25:56

know what you mean. It was

25:58

more relaxed. Yeah. Yeah We did,

26:00

it was like a vibe, we

26:02

could like spend time on creating

26:04

the vibe, which you know, again,

26:06

as we're saying, it's like sometimes

26:08

you're just, you're like, yeah, you

26:10

have a, it'll be, it'll be,

26:12

it'll be there in post, we'll

26:14

get it later, you should just,

26:16

shut up, we're going, we're all.

26:18

I'm watching money. Thank you for

26:20

sobering me up. Of

26:33

course. Binge. Hi. This is Joe.

26:36

He literally saved my life tonight.

26:38

I fell on the tracks. It

26:40

was crazy. Dave, I told you

26:43

people are basically good. It's a

26:45

great job, bro. Bro. You waste

26:48

of hair. Do you remember almost

26:50

getting run over when we were

26:52

finishing this? Me specifically? I don't

26:55

think it was you. I think

26:57

it might have been Elizabeth and

27:00

Lou. We

27:02

were doing the coverage in the

27:04

car and the cop that was

27:06

holding up the, sorry if this

27:08

is boring, but this is such

27:11

a New York thing. There was

27:13

a cop at the end of

27:15

the street, closing the street, and

27:17

the deal was like at 5

27:19

a.m. We had to be off

27:21

the street, and we were like

27:23

last set up. And instead of

27:26

at 5am him radioing to 80s,

27:28

he's like, he's saying like, hey

27:30

guys, 5am, I gotta go, that's

27:32

the deal. He just drove off,

27:34

which we didn't know, and we're

27:36

in the middle of a take,

27:38

and a cabbie, a real cabb,

27:40

comes. plowing down the street. It

27:43

almost hits, you don't remember this?

27:45

Maybe it wrapped you by then.

27:47

I don't know. Yeah, you probably

27:49

had to wrap number one. You

27:51

got a number one wrapped about

27:53

930. Yeah, I just remember that

27:55

it is such a New York

27:57

thing. I mean, a lot of

28:00

the New York, obviously police department

28:02

that help us are phenomenal, but

28:04

there's a couple of guys who

28:06

are like, look, at five, I

28:08

told you, I'm going, I'm going

28:10

kind of thing. Anyhow. Anyhow. Yeah.

28:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what we

28:15

have here is a line press,

28:17

basically just a huge clamp. I

28:19

fought in wardrobe so hard to

28:21

have him in a white shirt

28:23

the whole show, because I was

28:25

like, he's a average working class.

28:27

I just want, you know, it

28:29

was me trying to, I knew

28:32

that I wouldn't get it, but

28:34

I wanted him in a white

28:36

shirt as much as possible. So

28:38

I finally got it in the

28:40

scene. Polyvinyl acetate glue means no

28:42

acid to burn the pages, catch

28:44

a needle, thread. Right out of

28:47

Bugs Bunny? I trust a mallet.

28:49

You see this? We don't need

28:51

this. So the idea of the

28:53

mallet, I think in the original,

28:55

I'm supposed to just... That is

28:57

really fun. I know, I'm just

28:59

supposed to start whacking it. And

29:01

I remember asking the guy who

29:04

binds the books, I'm like... I

29:06

have a feeling that you would

29:08

never whack a book and he's

29:10

like, never in my life. Why

29:12

would you whack the book? Why

29:14

would you whack the book? You're

29:16

trying to reveal it. It's funny

29:18

because it doesn't match the line

29:21

that you just said. I know,

29:23

I know. Yeah, and so I

29:25

just remember there being a conversation

29:27

like, so this is going to

29:29

have an element of comedy to

29:31

it. It's going to be, you

29:33

know, it's like. There's actually something

29:36

very sinister if you think about

29:38

it, where he's like he's building

29:40

up to it, and you know,

29:42

use the exact force. I think

29:44

we even had to change a

29:46

line for that reason. It was

29:48

like he's being so methodical on

29:50

judges. But it's such a slow,

29:53

like dopey kind of just not,

29:55

it's not cinematically satisfying. So if

29:57

I recall, there's one, let's see.

29:59

Yeah, you give it a whack

30:01

here, which is. Because it makes

30:03

no sense. Yeah. If you think

30:05

about it, it makes no sense

30:07

whatsoever. For the huge part of

30:10

our audience that builds books, it

30:12

is that really bump to them.

30:14

Johno, listen to this. Dear Benji,

30:16

heard about your soda, I'm interested

30:18

in including you on my fall

30:20

list of must-tries, would love to

30:22

discuss, perhaps even try some. Jeff

30:25

Pavenzi. Let's the dude you're always

30:27

re-treating. He's the culture guy from

30:29

New York magazine. This is day

30:31

one. That's the first setup of

30:33

day one right there. And this

30:35

was the day of the eclipse

30:37

of the eclipse. That's right. And

30:39

the show I started was act

30:42

quinto was on another eclipse for

30:44

day one was on an eclipse

30:46

too. That was weird. That is

30:48

amazing. We were shooting on the

30:50

next eclipse as well, but it

30:52

wasn't like our first day or

30:54

period. Was it heroes? What show

30:57

he's on now. Really nice. Yeah.

30:59

Amazing. You did that. I did

31:01

that pilot as well. We had

31:03

Zach on for that. That's right.

31:05

I love Zach Quinto as you

31:07

know. And I, sorry to segue,

31:09

but margin call, it's like one

31:11

of my favorite indies in the

31:14

last 15 years. Love that movie.

31:16

You're in that movie, I think.

31:18

No, you have me mistaken. No,

31:20

this is, by the way, remember

31:22

we talked about Penn texting rapidly

31:24

the other day, which is so

31:26

weird. Classic Penn. I'm in Toronto

31:28

shooting this pilot with Zach, and

31:31

I'm like, we got it, we

31:33

got a text pen, you know,

31:35

something. And so we take a

31:37

picture, send it to Penn. No

31:39

response. I've gone through my services.

31:41

Maybe he changed his number. It's

31:43

just so classic. So amazing. I'm

31:46

sure Zach was like, what's with

31:48

this guy? Does he actually know?

31:50

Yeah. Yeah. Anyhow. In jokes. So,

31:52

anyway, that and I better. Maybe

31:54

if you're not too busy. We

31:56

could get a drink sometime? Sure.

31:58

Oh, but I still can't find

32:00

my phone. I know. Email. That's

32:03

right. See you, Joe. See you

32:05

soon. Back. Beggued Sarah Gamble to

32:07

like bring Elizabeth Lail back. Like

32:09

I felt affected like I want

32:11

justice for back. I want back

32:13

to be. You know what I

32:15

mean? She's just so like she's

32:17

like a little angel. She's like

32:20

literally looks like a little angel

32:22

you know. She does. Yeah. But

32:24

yeah. Also I love the way

32:26

you read the. Picker up, picker

32:28

up, picker up, picker up. So

32:30

good. That was really good. That

32:32

whole thing. So good. Great, great

32:35

beat. You nailed that. Yeah. That

32:37

ending. You don't. Nailed that ending.

32:39

Nailed that ending. Whoo! Wow, you

32:41

guys. That was a long rewatch.

32:43

I don't know how much we're

32:45

going to cut it down, but

32:47

we sat here for five and

32:49

a half hours. Pilot I could

32:52

enjoy that more than I anticipated

32:54

because it is hard to watch

32:56

yourself, you know, yeah Likewise, I

32:58

mean, meaning meaning I have enough

33:00

distance where I'm not like grimacing

33:02

and wanting to hide. I don't

33:04

know. But I get the, because

33:07

when I directed the 409, what

33:09

I remember, is every shot that

33:11

wasn't quite edited as well as

33:13

I wanted to. We're obviously doing

33:15

a foreign everyone. I don't know

33:17

if you know, but he couldn't

33:19

watch playback. Yeah, something you need

33:21

to know about, episode 409. Tony,

33:24

our stunt coordinator for season one,

33:26

who came back for season five,

33:28

who is just the best. He,

33:30

I really wanted, when Benji gets

33:32

hit in the head with the

33:34

mallet, I really wanted like that

33:36

full kind of timber landing, but

33:38

you know, we're on the stage,

33:41

it's like concrete floor. And so,

33:43

obviously they sceniced a little mat,

33:45

but that stunt. the blue stunt

33:47

double whose name I'm not remembering

33:49

seven years ago lovely guy did

33:51

two full yeah full-faced plants and

33:53

and it's it's a map but

33:56

it's like that it's not it

33:58

just keeping it from being potentially

34:00

lethal yeah Exactly and this summer

34:02

Tony and I talked about that

34:04

and and what a killer job

34:06

they did in doing it and

34:08

executing anyway so thank you Tony

34:10

appreciation to Tony and I think

34:13

is there is there true there

34:15

cut his company's New York City

34:17

stunts I believe yeah maybe you

34:19

have to look that up but

34:21

Good God, good man, good company.

34:23

Sounds like there's some nice full

34:25

circle moments from like season one

34:27

to season five. You know, like

34:30

a break in the middle. That's

34:32

the whole thing. Really, it is.

34:34

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

34:36

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

34:38

it is a full circle. Just

34:40

come back to New York, I

34:42

think, it feels like, it was

34:45

nice for me because I, it

34:47

was so different. And

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37:56

there anything you can? preview for us?

37:58

Well, so our last episode, well, yeah,

38:00

specifically our last episode, there can be

38:02

a drudgery and an anxiety to shooting

38:05

television because it's so fast-paced, and there's

38:07

so much money being hemorrhaged at all

38:09

times, and there's so many giant companies

38:12

that are basically like, you know, you

38:14

have to somehow save us money, blah,

38:16

blah, blah. But our last episode was

38:19

like... a different experience from every other

38:21

episode, even the pilot I would say.

38:23

It's like we got to make a

38:25

movie and we were having, I just

38:28

remember so many days being like, it

38:30

felt reasonable. Totally Totally you know and

38:32

and and like so enjoyable because of

38:35

it Well, I yeah, I mean and

38:37

again big big thanks to Marcos Yeah

38:39

saved all that money so that we

38:41

could do it saved all the money

38:44

through the first nine episodes And Jason

38:46

Sokoloff who did season one and season

38:48

five and I've done other shows with

38:51

him We had Can I say we

38:53

had 16 days to shoot the finale?

38:55

That's amazing. Which normally you guys were

38:57

doing a nine day episodes during this,

39:00

which is, and we shot 10102 crossboarded

39:02

in 22 days. So, you know, much

39:04

less, I mean, like 11 days, obviously,

39:07

being the average. So to your point,

39:09

Penn, not only was it great, just

39:11

like being in New York in the

39:14

summer, which felt like coming home, getting

39:16

to laugh, probably too much with you,

39:18

driving everyone nuts. It might have hurt

39:20

my performance. Might have hurt, yeah, both

39:23

of our prospects of coming back to

39:25

work for one of others, but 16

39:27

days, and yeah, going home and not

39:30

feeling. totally shattered and feeling like you'd

39:32

come back to work the next day

39:34

and not just be like rung out.

39:36

You know, that was really refreshing. Yeah,

39:39

well, obviously I haven't seen it, but

39:41

I did run into Justin Low at

39:43

a party and he... Justin Low is

39:46

our... one of our executive producers became

39:48

a showrunner in the last, in the

39:50

last, and he said he was on

39:53

his ninth watch because he was, you

39:55

know, helping to give notes and edits,

39:57

whatever. And he said he hadn't gotten

39:59

sick of it and that was one

40:02

of the only times that, you know,

40:04

nine watches in, he's not sick of

40:06

an episode. And that it was his

40:09

favorite episode of the whole season and

40:11

he wasn't expecting that. And that he

40:13

was, and he specifically said he was

40:15

like, blown away by Lee's work as

40:18

a director as a director and he

40:20

was the director and he was a

40:22

director and he was a director and

40:25

he was, and he was, and he

40:27

was, and he was, and he was,

40:29

and he was, and he was, and

40:32

he was, he was, he was, he

40:34

was, he was, he was, he was,

40:36

he was, he was, he was, he

40:38

was, he was, he was, he was,

40:41

he was, he was, he was, he

40:43

was, he was, he was, I don't

40:45

think I've seen the final cut to

40:48

be honest. I think I saw the

40:50

second of final. I saw it when

40:52

it was like, you know, nearly there.

40:54

I don't think I don't think I've

40:57

seen the final mix. I went through

40:59

color with a lot of picture, but

41:01

the final final mix. But it is,

41:04

I will just say, Michael Foley, who

41:06

was number two on the show up

41:08

into the fifth season. And then he

41:10

became Michelle Runner alongside Justin Mo. And

41:13

he's been there. the longest now out

41:15

of anybody because Sarah Gamble left so

41:17

he so so Foley really really really

41:20

is the end man and and he

41:22

wrote you know with you I mean

41:24

really the I think incredible I mean,

41:27

and I would imagine as you know,

41:29

obviously Greg and Sarah, they're they're genius

41:31

We've we've established, but I have to

41:33

believe writing a finale After five seasons

41:36

is actually harder when you're trying to

41:38

stick the landing of so many things

41:40

So many things out undoubtedly and I

41:43

just thought it was a total home

41:45

run and then to have the time

41:47

to actually do it right was, I

41:49

don't think I'll ever, I can't imagine

41:52

a time in my career all have

41:54

what we had this last summer with

41:56

the time. Not in TV, no. No,

41:59

no, especially now, like I feel like

42:01

the world has sort of imploded a

42:03

little bit since then, you know what

42:06

I mean? Just the business in general.

42:08

So anyway, it was a great experience

42:10

and I cannot wait to do this

42:12

again and discuss it with you guys.

42:15

Yeah, really appreciate it. And what's nice

42:17

is reflecting on the finale, we just

42:19

took a little bit of time out

42:22

of that rewatch. Just keep it going

42:24

around that one. Ramp it up. Thanks,

42:26

guys. Special thanks to the folks at

42:28

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