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Monica, Hello hello, let's get to it

1:01

In Civil War Kirsten Dunst. Please leave

1:03

a famous war photographer hardened by the

1:05

violence she's seen abroad and more recently

1:08

in America, where a Civil war rages

1:10

on. Along with a colleague job play

1:12

by Wagner Mora and Sammy played by

1:14

Stanley Mckinley Henderson, she sets out on

1:16

a dangerous road trip to Washington, D

1:18

C. They're covering the war as the

1:21

Secessionists factions including and alliance between Texas

1:23

and. California push towards the White House.

1:25

Li also reluctantly agrees to allow a

1:27

young aspiring photographer named Jesse to join

1:29

them. She's played by Kaylee Spain A

1:32

writer. Director Alex Garland hints at the

1:34

causes of the conflict, but the film

1:36

seems more concerned with capturing the brutality

1:38

and cruelty of war especially were taking

1:41

place on American soil and the ways

1:43

that journalists covering such conflicts would find

1:45

ways to survive both physically and emotionally.

1:47

Civil War is Alex Garland fourth film

1:50

as a directory previously made x Mckenna

1:52

Annihilation and Men. Civil War is

1:54

in theaters now. Walter. Kick

1:56

ass off each other's a while ago.

1:58

What? you think? I really love it.

2:00

I really love that I loved it

2:02

even more the more atomistic about it

2:04

honestly as he gets the kind of

2:07

movie that for me anyway needed to

2:09

see them, I needed to marinate in

2:11

it's juices. For a Watson, it reminded

2:13

me of a movie called medium Cool

2:15

by Haskell Wexler in that it's more

2:17

about the journey a war photographers and

2:19

the question of truth in documenting history

2:21

that movies could be the Chicago Democratic

2:23

Convention that went haywire. a guy who

2:25

actual footage from it in a long

2:27

passages of Civil War reminded me of

2:29

that. Song results almost improvisation always.

2:32

they're going through and discovering things

2:34

along the way ways that our

2:36

country has been falcon Eyes days

2:38

and suddenly changed it. I just

2:40

thought the sense of uncanny this

2:43

and sadness and ask really. Got.

2:45

Me to a place where started wondering

2:47

if truth so exhausted us is the

2:50

notion of truth as an objective arbiter

2:52

of our reality was even a possible

2:54

thing anymore after all of his ears

2:56

of the enough fake news and thanks

2:58

this people distrusting of evidence of her

3:01

own eyes seems like Nineteen Eighty Four

3:03

has come true and so good I

3:05

really loved her sober it was in

3:07

that respect and the boys sat with

3:10

said some ways to get his house.

3:12

That particular sat well with me he

3:14

said or monica. You also saw this a while ago

3:16

had it's it with you. I. Wish is that as

3:18

well as it is as well Sir

3:20

Ah says and I have that reaction.

3:22

I this kind of trying to keep

3:25

things vague and details you know sort

3:27

of ambiguous is wanting to be a

3:29

political but being about a political topic

3:31

and using similar language and things like

3:33

that I may may have just kept

3:35

asking more questions I say for something

3:37

like medium cause I knew the context

3:39

of which sites that sell is taking

3:41

place. I knew where the setting was,

3:43

what the politics were at that time.

3:45

We don't have those answers. I don't

3:48

feel like the World Building gave me

3:50

enough detail to be able to enjoy

3:52

unplugging them that a story and really,

3:54

you know, enjoy it the way that.

3:56

Other folks may be able to hurt you,

3:58

don't You are a. Analysts? Were you sitting

4:01

with this with your enough. I do feel

4:03

that I need to merit a more

4:05

this. This film. I believe it requires

4:07

marinating. I don't I found it. And

4:09

I mean this in a very good

4:11

way. I found it deeply upsetting. Sarah

4:13

Lane. Visceral. I mean, it's and fully

4:15

believable. I mean, I was watching it

4:17

and feeling. Like I said upset

4:19

to new there is a moment where tier

4:21

Sundance By the way, she's incredible in it.

4:24

Here's another play, The War Photographer and this

4:26

film and as she talks about covering for

4:28

and conflict zones and she says something to

4:30

the effect of every time I sent a

4:32

photo home from a war zone. it was

4:34

a warning I was trying to warn people

4:37

don't do this That really seems to me

4:39

like the thesis statement of the film. And

4:41

yes, the movie. I'll be honest, I saw

4:43

the trailer and I thought god that's heavy

4:45

handed. I'm gonna hate the snow This movie

4:47

is beautifully made and beautifully. Acted and

4:50

I think it accomplices. It's goals

4:52

and trying to be harrowing and

4:54

visceral, but. I came

4:56

away wondering why did I sit through

4:58

that? I didn't even if it was

5:01

beautiful even if it was well done.

5:03

I mean if the point is it

5:05

could happen here and war is bad

5:07

it I fully agree and at that

5:09

really upsets me but I I'm not

5:11

sure I needed to. Have

5:13

nine thousand jump scare had

5:15

does have my heart. Ache for

5:18

two hours would really appreciate had been

5:20

of the was the idea of of

5:22

their some people hear about from secure

5:24

about it enough to put their lives

5:26

on the line to collect with whatever

5:28

and read about people we Miller Robert

5:30

Chopper for James Nachtwey is war photographer

5:33

that were there for the liberation of

5:35

Doctor are that were there for Vietnam.

5:37

Going to these places there's of senses

5:39

ambiguity in as the Simpsons of not

5:41

knowing with moods even for them in

5:43

the very moment. but the go there

5:45

because we believe that the things. Will

5:47

be document the man we record

5:50

other people. Journalists.

5:56

The. We really can read it out. When I was

5:59

on the sofa. The address get away

6:01

with everything else and yet here these people

6:03

on this film for have or nihilistic it

6:05

feels it's unpleasant and a does It kills

6:07

all things tears. These people that it's following

6:09

these war photographers who believe that it matters

6:12

to be there to document these moments because

6:14

the evidence that they collect will matter at

6:16

some point of it as a matter of

6:18

this moment. And that's. Strangely.

6:21

Bracing to me. I would say i

6:23

totally get what you're saying as well. I

6:25

it strikes me is. Sad. Funny

6:27

because the movie cemented mine. I

6:30

listen to some degree but this

6:32

one is a notable. Things about

6:34

this movie to me is like

6:36

the journalists are the complicated heroes

6:38

of this movie and you see

6:40

them out there just ceasing truth,

6:42

ceasing the photo chasing the story

6:44

that I've never been the conflict

6:47

zone but yes all feals true

6:49

to life. Also they are very

6:51

much bubble wrapped from the effects

6:53

of their reporting. The only that

6:55

I recall incident of anybody talking.

6:57

About. Consuming news is

6:59

that a woman in a shop who tells

7:02

them yeah from base of Y C on

7:04

the news? I just try to stay out

7:06

of it and we over and over here

7:08

about family members back home who pretend the

7:10

Civil War isn't happening and. That.the

7:13

in the gut of a thing that

7:15

you know I feel when I'm out

7:17

at a Trump rally or wherever going.

7:19

What is the story gonna do? He

7:21

added this movies. I'm not even

7:23

sure it's intentional. I hope it is by

7:25

me like really kind of subtly gets out.

7:28

Why are these people doing it? Is what

7:30

they're doing. Changing anything? Yes, you can look

7:32

at them. As heroes but

7:35

are they know. It

7:37

I have jobs feelings of sadness

7:39

and pleasure. To see that's so interesting

7:41

Because again, water to your point where me

7:43

Abstract: Yes, this is a heartening some about

7:46

people who strongly believe in what they're doing.

7:48

And to your point, Danielle: Sometimes what they're

7:50

doing can be called an addiction. so maybe

7:52

there's some a dark purpose to it as

7:54

well. But I kind of coming down on

7:57

T. Monica, I think because I felt it

7:59

hovering between. Wanting to

8:01

be an urgent warning cry this blistering

8:03

screed against authoritarianism, right? Yeah, and in

8:05

execution and up kind of both sides.

8:08

The this is what happens when we

8:10

don't communicate disingenuous wet noodle. I read

8:12

the press materials after I saw the

8:14

film and the said the stood up

8:17

to me. for all it's radicalism, Garden

8:19

simply hopes that viewers enter with an

8:21

open mind, leave without feeling alienated and

8:23

perhaps consider our own political predicament within

8:26

this context. He can have all those

8:28

things. But I mean, Leave

8:30

without feeling alienated is with struck out to

8:32

me. Because. If you're shooting

8:35

for relevance to comment on current

8:37

events, shouldn't you risk. Alienating

8:39

that section of your audience that your

8:42

stencil be trying to warn us about.

8:44

Shouldn't they feel specifically implicated Called out?

8:46

Not this. This is. War.

8:48

Is bad and we're all guilty, right? Monica? As

8:50

it's I was dying for this movie to say. Something.

8:53

Says it's more than just war is

8:56

that? I mean, you know I really

8:58

wanted it to go farther to explore.

9:00

I like the potential political implications or

9:02

even just explain why the Civil War

9:04

that we're watching right now happened at

9:07

all. I know it's. Kind. Of

9:09

interesting to just jump into the

9:11

deep end by war from nothing

9:13

F feels very strange. To me

9:16

and I get the impulse behind that right?

9:18

Because you don't preach to the choir, You

9:20

don't to be ham fisted. You don't just

9:22

do nothing but reassure your audience of their

9:24

absolutely right in the can. be smug about

9:26

it because that is the trap of the

9:28

Adam Mckay from Don't Look Up Fell Into

9:30

Back and Twenty Twenty One. That was be

9:32

very overt climate change analogy about a comet

9:34

colliding with earth. Yes, you don't do that.

9:36

Yes, I thought about don't Look Up This

9:39

whole movement Still Look Up is one of

9:41

the worst movies I've ever seen hands down.

9:43

Id posted that film that part of it

9:45

is because like that even if you agree

9:47

with don't look off and like yeah I

9:49

agree climate apocalypse is coming in at scary

9:51

you don't wanna hear someone yell at you

9:53

for two hours about as it just gets

9:55

tiresome right? even if you agree with and

9:57

this movie. Takes. The opposite

9:59

path. There they've. Paid

10:01

ambiguous about what caused the war. And on

10:03

the one hand, I like ambiguity in a

10:05

movie like this because the movie is presuming

10:07

that you are smart enough to sit and

10:09

think about it, That you are smart enough

10:11

to draw connections. You are smart enough to

10:13

take away what you're gonna take away. But

10:15

I would argue there's a happy medium to

10:17

be reads. I mean, I don't. He would

10:20

argue there's a happy medium to erase. I

10:22

don't know if this movie could but gesture

10:24

more pointedly at current events and still be

10:26

watchable. I think it's as good as it

10:28

could have been. Oh yeah, it's it had

10:30

Been a sermon. It would have been worse

10:32

but this is Matt. I still don't

10:34

find this treatment of. The subject optimal

10:36

I guess two points and you know

10:38

and really agree with a lot of

10:40

when of would say that we do

10:43

know that it's a three term president

10:45

yep disease said costuming choices with you

10:47

see certain language and references to Charlottesville

10:49

Francis but our ethics. a danger that

10:51

we fall into is that we all

10:53

bring in a lot of stuff like

10:55

I am so terrified Other the stakes

10:57

are high for people who look like

10:59

me in this movie actually clarifies exactly

11:02

the kind of peril that are Asian

11:04

Americans might be entering an Civil war.

11:06

I don't know that there's an answer

11:08

sort of to larger points. Danielle in

11:10

work like this be just often things

11:12

and agree with you the most to

11:14

the most harm to your size. I

11:16

quit because all of a sudden the

11:18

other side of like look at all

11:20

the orders, these proselytizing, these hysterical be

11:23

whatever and in I would say movie

11:25

doesn't deal with that, it's as work.

11:27

we don't actually know what's going to

11:29

happen in November, just like Medium cool

11:31

didn't know. So we're kind of in

11:33

the middle of this period of intense.

11:35

Fear and paranoia and stressed of the

11:38

other. And here's some is really about

11:40

okay. Here's these people who believe that

11:42

they can make a difference. These people

11:44

aren't giving up and I look at

11:46

that much in it's a good reminder

11:48

for me nobody else that people do

11:50

care met our voices actually do mattered.

11:52

We could maybe change one person's mind

11:55

and them to people's minds just by

11:57

telling the truth. Documenting will be pleased.

12:00

The truth either. Here's a movie that doesn't

12:02

spoon feed me an easy solution but rather

12:04

says have you ever considered that without say

12:06

boss has equal but seen that we are

12:08

responsible a little bit for the Balkanization of

12:11

our country. Out of we reconstructs us how

12:13

do we come back from this? Yeah, I've

12:15

never seen a way through these people believe

12:17

there is one even if they don't say

12:19

what it is a to be a simple

12:22

seeking a picture of the right time I

12:24

think assumes that it's strongest when it is

12:26

about the immediacy of war, when it's about

12:28

survival when somebody gets pinned. Down they don't

12:30

know what side it's onto the soldier make of

12:32

put him at very impressive. seemed like it doesn't

12:35

matter who the some either side they're trying to

12:37

kill me I'm gonna try to kill that's my

12:39

issue I think and I figure issue is when

12:41

it clear that notion he want to widens out

12:43

is where harrowing scene featuring the journalists being interrogated

12:45

by a soldier and it's trying to say I

12:47

think the scene is trying to say that in

12:50

the day to day reality war, ideologies and politics

12:52

gonna go away and what what emerges is the

12:54

worst of humanity like basic human evils like racism.

12:56

But if that's the case then why do we

12:58

have all this waving about our political. Nominate All

13:00

I mean. a film opens with the President

13:02

of United States composing a speech to not

13:05

only falsely declare victory, but to declare the

13:07

biggest victory in the history of the world.

13:09

Guess that's not even code it. We're meant

13:11

to see that as Trump is. Know whether

13:13

it's impossible not to run. Monica might come

13:15

on now. Now now I'm totally on

13:17

the same page. I mean at right.

13:19

They suit Nick Offerman a little bit

13:21

like Trump's The stuff that he says

13:23

is very much like Trump's there are

13:26

you now mentions to and T Fast

13:28

and Bnc a massacre. There's all these

13:30

different little codes and things like that.

13:32

To think, bring up some political angle.

13:34

I will say something nice about the

13:36

self says I can. Mostly negative. I

13:38

really hung on to the mentorship. Roles

13:40

that the different characters get to share over

13:42

the course of the film Because when. You.

13:45

Are covering those really incensed situations? Sometimes

13:47

your colleagues are the only people who

13:49

have your back. Some the stuff that

13:51

Kelly Spain his character goes through as

13:53

a young com reporter you know, kind

13:56

of covering her first war and the

13:58

as tips and tricks then coaching that

14:00

league gives terrorists is so important in

14:02

a I I really I was my

14:04

favorite part of the selves. So I

14:07

wish maybe we spend. A bit more time

14:09

with that vs all the all the different

14:11

political same success in. A. Really lovely. Mention

14:13

the mentorship aspects of the because you

14:15

know you ask the question of who's

14:17

listening. She was listening as a little

14:19

little girl friend were watching stuff in

14:21

the world. Right now we're journals are

14:23

being assassinated in the dozens and dozens.

14:26

There's always more. There's always another person

14:28

will say i'm probably going to die

14:30

today, but a Buddha Documents thing. I

14:32

don't know what's going to talking to,

14:34

but I believe that there's important to

14:36

this mission. Yeah, that reminds me of

14:38

Carlin's in in a Library of a

14:40

Dilation more than anything else you know.

14:42

Didn't want. To be much of a war

14:44

movie, I don't think it wants to be a

14:46

political movie Beyond the large blue question of why

14:48

do we you killing each other and how do

14:50

we? how to come out from this and who

14:53

chronicles, yes, the records and that. that. That's all

14:55

interesting and important stuff. I see. How can we

14:57

find that middle ground that we were talking about?

14:59

I. Want to back up to

15:01

one point that Monica made about

15:03

Nick Offerman as presidential. I think

15:06

the casting of him as a

15:08

President who is Trump coated is

15:10

absolutely genius. A reminded me of

15:12

the movie promising young woman's and

15:14

I will the Emeralds An outcast

15:16

sweet guys like Bo Burnham and

15:18

cost some to be like low

15:20

key and then not so low

15:23

key creeps. Similarly, we have the

15:25

lovable Libertarian from Parks and Rec

15:27

who everybody likes before from the

15:29

T. V who is now whole?

15:31

Who is now this authoritarian I thought

15:33

that felt like an intentional wings and

15:36

a very smart went to make i

15:38

apologize for playing dartboard hereby of one.

15:40

Other. Point that gets back to see what Walter

15:43

was talking about in terms of a in. Terms

15:45

of these journalists be heroes and pursuing the

15:47

truth at all costs. We haven't really mentioned

15:49

that this movie is a road movie, a

15:51

disease, reporters trying to get to Washington Dc

15:53

and sort of the things I see along

15:55

the way. and one of the things they

15:57

see as they stopped at a gas station.

16:00

Oh. And young tuber particularly

16:02

Seine. what she saw was

16:04

to. Looters. Who have

16:06

been tortured and are kind of. Restrained

16:09

and they have been tortured. And

16:11

a guy follows her out back and

16:13

detention in that scene that seen captors

16:15

to me better than pretty much the

16:18

rest of the movie. Like why journalist

16:20

do what they do because Kaylee Spain

16:22

he is wondering oh god what we

16:24

do do we help these people in

16:26

here Sundance senseless young soldier. Who.

16:28

Is very proud of having strong up these looters

16:31

Hey. Let me take your

16:33

picture like you own this sir. You did

16:35

this. Use the and proudly they are and

16:37

I'm gonna take your dang picture. That is

16:39

why journalists do what they do and I

16:42

bad as the scene that's gonna. Stick with

16:44

me from this movie. Ever say? You

16:46

know. I'd. The to movie

16:48

that I really love of Alex

16:50

Garland is Annihilation An ex mocking

16:52

us and. Two of those benefit

16:55

I think from being and the Psi phi

16:57

worlds where he really got to get creative,

16:59

where he really did get a kind of

17:01

removed himself from our day to day what

17:03

we're going through what we're dealing with. I

17:05

almost kind of wish this movie. Could.

17:08

Have taken place a little bit more

17:10

far the removed seen a little bit

17:12

more done, a little bit more with

17:14

that without all the different political baggage

17:16

that comes with trying to talk about

17:18

to day one. Other thing that I

17:21

did. When a bring up and I don't

17:23

know if anyone else felt this way was

17:25

Isis that the needle drops were. So if

17:27

not more like a record scratch. Than

17:30

actually complimenting the mood or building the

17:32

mood all the sudden it is says

17:35

like a crescendo like oh my god

17:37

who is Stereo just went off it

17:39

just. Felt. Counter to whatever emotion with

17:41

on screen and maybe that's the feeling he's trying

17:43

to elicit, but it every time it's just took

17:45

me out of the movie. If the goal

17:47

was to be disorienting the that for yes

17:50

and I I think the goes probably to

17:52

be deserted to get some cases. Oh yeah

17:54

well you heard what we have to say

17:56

You can tell is a really fascinating some

17:59

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time for our favorite segment of This

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Week and Every Week. What is making

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us happy this week? Monica Castillo kick

20:06

us off. What's making me

20:08

happy this week is the movie

20:10

Riddle of Fire, which premiered at

20:13

Cannes last year. It's a neo-fairy

20:15

tale that's like really scrappy set

20:17

in Wyoming. And it's these

20:19

three little kids that you don't just want to

20:22

play video games, but their mom gives them a

20:24

quest to build a pie for

20:26

her because she's not feeling well. And then

20:28

only then can they play their video games.

20:30

So of course, this launches an epic little

20:33

adventure. They have to get very specific ingredients.

20:36

And it's so charming. It looks marvelous.

20:38

It's I think shot on 16 millimeter. It

20:40

looks like nothing else out there right now.

20:42

I just fully in love

20:44

with this movie. And I hope other people will get

20:46

the chance to check it out. All right,

20:48

so that is Riddle of Fire. And it's available

20:50

on VOD now. Thank you, Monica. Daniel

20:53

Kurtzleben, what is making you happy this week? What's

20:55

making me happy this week is a

20:57

show on Apple Plus. It is called

21:00

Palm Royale. It stars Kristen Wiig, Allison

21:02

Janney, Carol Burnett is in it. It is

21:04

a bunch of women who are not in

21:06

their 20s and 30s, but

21:09

just having a blast. It is

21:11

frothy. It is fizzy. It is

21:13

the opposite of Civil War.

21:15

It is good, silly fun.

21:17

Kristen Wiig plays a woman in the...

21:21

This takes place in the late 1960s,

21:23

a woman who wants to be a part

21:25

of an exclusive club in

21:28

Palm Beach called the Palm Royale. And she wants

21:30

to fit in with all the rich society mavens.

21:33

And there's a subplot about a women's

21:36

consciousness raising group. I didn't even mention

21:38

Laura Dern. Laura Dern is

21:40

the leader of that group. And her wig. And

21:42

her wig, that's fair. It's silly,

21:44

frothy fun with excellent costumes. I

21:46

am always rooting for both Kristen Wiig and

21:49

Allison Janney. They're two of my favorites. Is

21:51

it great TV? I don't know yet, but

21:53

it's a blast. It's

21:56

a blast. And that is Palm Royale on Apple TV

21:58

Plus. Thank you very much. Danielle Kurtz-Labin, Walter

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Chow, what is making you happy this week?

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Well, I am obsessed with

22:05

this coffee table book called

22:07

Alfred Hitchcock Storyboards. It's

22:09

compiled by Tony Lee Morrill. Literally

22:12

that's all it is. You open it

22:14

up and you can see the storyboards

22:16

for the attack of the

22:19

birds on the gas station. You can see

22:21

the push zoom effect from

22:23

Vertigo as it's sketched out. It's

22:25

sort of like this holy grail that I've

22:28

been looking for for years of just one place

22:30

where the storyboards would be collected. He

22:32

was infamous for seeing that. Once

22:35

I finished planning it out and drawing the

22:37

storyboards, the movie is already done. Shooting

22:40

it is just a formality. I've

22:42

been using it as a treat for myself. Every

22:44

time I finish something I don't want to finish, I

22:47

get to go look at the next film. And

22:49

yeah, it's great to lose your storyboards. Alfred

22:52

Hitchcock Storyboards by Tony Lee Morrill. Thank

22:54

you very much, Walter. Great pick. I

22:56

just ordered it. So

22:59

your end of one is successful because

23:01

that's a... Wait, you just ordered it just

23:03

this moment? Hearing him talk about it?

23:05

Oh my gosh. Just the second I just did. Yes, as

23:08

a matter of fact. Oh wow. Well

23:10

done, Walter. Thank you very much. What's making

23:12

me happy this week, The People's Joker, is

23:14

a film you may have heard about when

23:17

it's a planned extended premiere at the 2022

23:19

Toronto International Film Festival was abruptly

23:21

reduced to one midnight showing. It

23:24

stars Vera Drew, who directed and

23:26

co-wrote it with Brie LaRose.

23:28

It is the origin story of

23:30

The Joker. If The

23:32

Joker was a trans woman with a

23:34

very funny, narco-socialist take

23:37

on pretty much everything but

23:39

especially weirdly, the status of

23:41

contemporary stand-up comedy. And if

23:43

Gotham City was a

23:45

combination of crowdsource, green screen backdrops,

23:48

and animation. It is also

23:50

a queer coming of age tale and a rom-com

23:52

with a very thorough knowledge and

23:54

jokes about deep, deep Batman

23:56

lore, especially the Joel Schumacher

23:58

films and voice cameos from

24:01

members of LA's alt comedy scene, as you

24:03

might imagine from that description, everything

24:05

about this film makes the mega

24:08

corporate owners of IP like The Joker in

24:10

Gotham City and Batman very nervous. When

24:13

it was pulled from TIFF, most of us figured we would

24:15

never get to see it. But

24:17

somehow it has managed

24:19

to secure an extremely limited

24:22

theatrical release this month and next that

24:24

is The People's Joker in

24:26

theaters now. And that is what

24:28

is making me happy this week and if you want

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links for what we recommended plus some

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more recommendations, sign up for our newsletter

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at npr.org/Pop Culture newsletter. That brings

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us to the end of our show, Daniel Kurtzleben, Monica

24:39

Castillo, Walter Chow. Thank you so much for being here.

24:41

Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me.

24:43

He was a blast as always. This episode

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was produced by Hafsa Fatima and edited by

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Mike Katzith. Our supervising producer is Jessica Reedy

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and Halokimin provides our theme music. Thank

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you for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR.

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