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This week, we saw something that we don't often

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see on the floor of the US, Senate, a

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a senator with an A+

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rating, from the NRA, talking

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up gun reform. The

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supposed I want to that we are making

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serious progress in our bipartisan

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effort to respond to the

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shooting in Uvalde, Texas

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and other places around the

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country, Senator

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John cornyn is from Texas and he

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was a who recently led a group of

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nine other republicans to actually

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make a deal with democrats

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on gun control no parents

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should

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have to send their child was go wondering whether

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they're going to be safe school and

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certainly no student the be

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afraid to go to school for fear

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of their safety i'm

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proud of work we've done so far but course

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we're not it's the finish line we

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are still at the beginning

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one other reporters who watches all play

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out on capitol hill is leigh anne caldwell

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she says that in many ways this deal

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with deal huge moments but

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now the hard part he

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and saying that he hoped to have the actual

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legislation britain you know by

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the end of the week and to

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perhaps bring it to the senate floor

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to vote on next week that

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seems really fast

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and aggressive because writing legislation

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takes a lot of time and complicated

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fat lucy they stick to it

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from

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newsroom of the washington post this is post

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reports i martine powers

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it's wednesday june fifteenth today

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we talk with leo about the senate's bipartisan

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gun control deal she explains

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what this plan would actually deal and

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what happens behind the scenes to get

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ten republicans on board and

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we asked the question could this

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be the last chance for a long

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time to get any meaningful action

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unsteady organ in trouble

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how on sunday a

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group of twenty senators said they

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had agreed to a tentative agreement

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under legislation what

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exactly does that mean what

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that means is they have been meeting for

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few weeks and they

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have come together to agree

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to a framework about nine

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point plan yeah and

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with little bit of the towel and the how

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it should be administered

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that the reason it's not a full fledged

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agreement yeah it is because they

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have to write the actual legislation

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arm and of course the legislation is what

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becomes law and so the

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wording is very important the details

2:47

are very important phrasing

2:49

at comment period but

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in all matters issue either

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word framework to describe what they've agreed

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on so far in framework sounds like the word

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that i would use in college when i was

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with saying that i started writing a paper and i hadn't

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actually started writing and how much is

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a clunker framework an actual

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significant step toward writing

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a bipartisan bill on and

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it's actually pretty sick best

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again these members have

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been meeting at for quite some time

3:18

there sobs had been working day and night

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and to they had enough of an outline

3:23

at stout that a gave

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them the path forward and so

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i would say they're you know if you wanted

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do a football analogies they were probably

3:32

on the seventy five yard line

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it does seem pretty significant and

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so when with this actually be in the form

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of something that's the senate could

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vote on how i target

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sen chris murphy the democrat who

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is the lead negotiator on a sunday

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just hours after they

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announced the steel

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right right government adviser many

3:55

, other is

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a threat or anything

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and he told me that i was gonna be quote

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herculean work and order

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to finish the legislation and vote

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on it and the next two weeks because

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the senate leaves town for couple weeks over

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the july fourth recess

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if if we brought the political agenda show

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that it was bipartisan support the second level

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finals and would have an impact on

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an empty seats with com he

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did

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are you what are the provisions

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in this steal our and or but we know so far

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but there were on yeah of

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course so survey

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eighteen twenty one year old provision there

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was lot people who wanted to

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ban about thou offense in list

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that age to purchase them until you're twenty one

4:47

that's not the spell but isn't a cell

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though is expanding background

4:52

checks for that age group are

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you been sent you bought a shooter

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went and five that

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weapon right after their eighteenth birthday

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the way to live now when

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a background check is conducted they could

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not go into a juvenile background

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but they do with and able

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law enforcement to do that

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cause currently those records are sealed

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who if you had someone who was coming

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in to buy a gun and they were under twenty

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one the person selling the gun word

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perform background check and that background checks

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and look to see if they had and him

5:27

juvenile interactions with

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police officers or been arrested for something

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worth something like that act or mental

5:33

health components that you know thing

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that would trigger pies

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and if that had been in play before the you'd

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aldi shooting at would have prevented

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that shooter from obtaining an

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assault weapons virtually negotiators

5:47

senator cornyn and senator murphy's

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say that it would have you know this

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system has to work of course

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that they say that there were things in

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his juvenile record so

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they're the intention here in out they

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wanted get up at eighteen to twenty one

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year old age group because that is

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the profile of lot these mass

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shootings and a lot these people

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tend to have things in their background

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and juvenile record fights authorities

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didn't know about them because they're

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sealed when she turned eighteen so

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they're trying to change that

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that's interesting and what else is

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and this framework says further

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done provisions are concerned there's another

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thing which they are calling state

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crisis intervention orders

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and under this category

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is the so called red

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flag laws and this has been something

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that sit very contentious and controversial

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there's about you know sixteen

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state then have read fi glass

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currently that is if i go

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in and say my

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best friend is dangerous

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and violent they

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should not be having a gun because i'm worried about

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them hurting me i'm worried about them

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hurting other people or themselves

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they can go to authorities and say

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there is a red flag with this person and

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then that that person could have thera

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gun confiscated and

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to this is something that democrats had wanted

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to implement nationally a

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federal red flag law will

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would this provision dies is it doesn't

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implement federal legislation or

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federal standard fed it provides

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grant money first date to

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implement their own red flag

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laws if they so choose

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and to than what about for the states that

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are not the red flag laws in

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place what would this measure provide for them

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no don't have an option here

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and for the ones that don't want to do

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red flag live there's lot concerns

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among republicans said there's not enough to

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process or a could take away someone's

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son they're going to be money

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for other sort of quote

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crisis intervention which

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the be something like creating

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the or expanding for

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improving drug court or

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mental health chords or outpatient

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treatment program wow

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this is kind of more and now all

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mental health realm

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of thing that republicans

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are more geared toward that

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a better the same category so

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some say he want implement red flag

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laws are enhanced red flag laws will

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have money to do that other

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states sender the same funding category

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will be able to use money for a d

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the other non red flag

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law hype saying phil

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under this whole fake crisis intervention

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effort the does seem like to

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pretty significant parts of the

8:45

negotiation here stooges give an overview

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of some of other items that are part

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of what they've agreed sure there

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is money for

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mental health resources in schools there's

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money for tell house

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there's money to create more

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secure schools and one

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other thing that is really interesting about

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this is it closes the so called

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boyfriend loophole this

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is something that same across and congress

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has been trying to close for really

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long time so a

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person is legally married has

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thousand a an

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abusive relationship there it's domestic

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violence the partner who is being

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abused the go

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and power claim and

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you there are could have their guns confiscated

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they like there is

9:37

a long term partnership

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or a domestic partnership or

9:41

you know just so boyfriend if you

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not legally marry you can't go

9:45

and make that same claim against your

9:47

abuser and so what does

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this and able of people who

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are in non legally binding

9:54

relationship said are being

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abused by their significant other

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to go and make this claim

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and so the abusers gun could

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the confiscated

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and so this is a really big deal for the

10:08

domestic violence community people

10:10

who are fighting domestic violence

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and trying protect people were and domestic

10:14

and violent relationship and so this is

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actually pretty significant it won't necessarily

10:19

address ivaldi that

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this is something that democrats have been

10:23

trying to do for very long time but as

10:25

we know that domestic the abuse

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incidents so often comes up

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and that the personal histories of people who

10:32

end up becoming mass shooter so it seems

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like this could be helpful both

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for the domestic abuse survivor

10:38

community but also for says

10:41

general prevention of mass shootings yeah

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absolutely and also

10:45

there's lot of people who are

10:47

killed every day from domestic violence

10:50

is not necessarily mass shooting who

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who has been working on

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this deal like who are the people who

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have made this possible the

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to lead negotiator the first son the

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democrats is sen chris murphy

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it democrat from connecticut he

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represents sandy hook into this has been

11:08

an issue that he has really cared about

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from very very long time the

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other is senator john cornyn

11:15

republican taxes though

11:18

the rapper then say that has

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had a lot of mass shootings

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especially in recent years there a sutherland

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springs which is that church that result

11:27

paso fino and and most recently

11:29

vol the insists the tip the iceberg i'm

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really curious about senator corn and

11:34

motivations here yes he's representing

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a state that has experienced lots his

11:38

gun violence and and mass shootings but it's same

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time mean he is a republican

11:43

it so closely aligned with

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g o p leadership in the senate you know

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she's from texas which is not

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necessarily bad state as like the leading

11:51

the charge and gun reform and so

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what are his motivations

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here why is he the one who's like

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we have to come up with some an agreement

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to address yeah he's

12:03

a really interesting questions either we've

12:05

been open to it you

12:07

said he represents the stay with many

12:10

mass shooting can't

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stop thinking about night team children

12:15

the

12:16

two teachers who lost their lives

12:19

and you value texas value he

12:21

was was and

12:22

there you conservative

12:24

he's part is then but he can

12:27

also be pragmatic

12:29

the great thing about design of our country

12:31

is that so we have national government

12:33

but we have sovereign states

12:35

and now because he

12:37

is close to leadership pick has

12:39

become from texas and because he

12:42

i bet you get rating with t and r

12:44

eight either all we then that

12:46

apply the the senate

12:48

minority leader mitch mcconnell has and

12:50

a deputized stamps to

12:52

take the lead in as because

12:54

he has a lot of credibility with the right

12:57

he has lot of credibility with the republican

12:59

base and cat owners and

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of course i won't supported grant program

13:03

violates the constitution or

13:07

the requirement of due process of law when

13:09

it comes to a constitutional

13:11

right like second amendment trying

13:14

to calm down

13:16

those who might be concerned

13:18

that there is an agreement with democrat

13:21

on guns he

13:23

, insisting that this

13:25

will not touch law abiding

13:28

gun owners said this will not

13:30

infringe on the second amendment and

13:33

that this and that is

13:35

really focus on mental health and

13:37

so he's not championing

13:39

this as the major

13:42

agree the man he is saying this

13:44

is common sense smart

13:47

reasonable ah respond

13:50

to that is very

13:52

or get it and it's focus

13:55

and will not the an overreach

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check check check check check

14:06

because i think like you the obviously the

14:08

simple answer to that is ivaldi

14:10

and how horrifying and is ben

14:12

to hear about what happened there

14:15

but at the same time mean these

14:17

mass shootings happen all of the time they've

14:19

become a normal part of american

14:21

life and we haven't seen

14:23

this kind of action in response to so many

14:26

of the other shootings we've seen recently what's

14:28

happening now that has started to

14:30

grease the wheels

14:31

that i do think you've all the i think

14:33

that the horror of the incident

14:35

really played huge role senator murphy

14:38

told me i somehow the started

14:41

and he said activity happens he sent

14:43

senator corn and attack the bed

14:45

the heart goes out here i'm

14:48

so sorry i'm thinking about

14:50

un your kids it's you nine

14:53

he said that kind of just oh things

14:55

that assassin and then a

14:57

couple days later they matt and

15:00

so i think there is really

15:02

a person on emotional component to it

15:05

politically speaking a become

15:07

know little bit more complicated the

15:10

midterm election this if

15:12

month away this was an issue that

15:14

pulling has shown public was very

15:16

angry about and frustrated with

15:18

an essential to democrats

15:20

and independents who wanted some things

15:22

on there was there was of republicans

15:25

to a slim majority like the low fifties

15:27

but there was so republicans you thought

15:29

that something needed to

15:31

be done and nothing

15:33

was done republicans

15:36

were going to be playing and

15:38

mcconnell who is often

15:40

thinking in terms of

15:42

political power and how he

15:45

and the republican party is going to gain

15:47

power he you could assume that

15:49

he was thinking that it would be better

15:52

the take this off the table democrats

15:55

can't run on a if something is done

15:57

but also control the

16:00

go what

16:02

is done so that it is not sweeping

16:05

and that it is not too far reaching

16:07

said that it addresses things

16:09

and our modest way anyway

16:12

and that democrats can't

16:15

motivate their voters on the issue

16:21

after break leann explains how

16:23

some it'll become super for the steel hinged

16:25

on the specific timing of the midterm

16:27

election calendar i'll

16:29

be right back

16:51

talk more about these republican votes

16:54

they're ten republican senators who

16:56

have said that they are

16:58

signing on to at least li

17:00

, as it stands so far is

17:03

this were to be voted on

17:05

today i'm inducing that there is world where

17:07

even more than those ten republican senators

17:09

would be on board

17:10

i think so and the reciting so

17:12

it's because we spoke last

17:15

laugh that are corner former

17:18

top adviser the and he said center

17:20

corn and will not come to deal that

17:22

doesn't get twenty

17:25

twenty five thirty republican

17:27

serious yeah

17:29

that's it very hyper her it's

17:32

a very high bar but if they

17:34

all jumped ship together rate

17:36

and they are already starting to frame this

17:38

in the way they think is best for

17:40

them they are saying that this that

17:42

mental health fill this has

17:44

nothing to impede the rights

17:47

of law abiding gun owners

17:49

it is not an infringement of the second

17:51

amendment and so they're

17:54

able to message this correctly

17:56

which they are trying very hard

17:58

to do they can get

18:00

half the republican com friend

18:04

that is why it was so important for

18:06

the framework to be released with the support of

18:08

ten senator is that the bare minimum

18:11

and then leader mitch mcconnell i

18:13

know tuesday came out

18:15

and said that he's pretty supportive

18:18

of the framework and if the legislative

18:20

tax matches with what's the framework

18:22

says that he's going to support

18:24

it

18:25

the framework is off

18:27

the charts overwhelming

18:30

ah thank if this framework

18:32

becomes the actual piece of legislation

18:36

it's step forward the

18:38

powered on bipartisan basis and

18:41

further demonstrates to the american people

18:44

that we can come together which

18:46

we have gone from time to time

18:47

there is alive and right there and if mcconnell

18:50

support said than more feel free the

18:52

job and they feel free jump

18:54

not because hey

18:56

mcconnell can get them cover because

18:58

it's not like you know republican really

19:01

love mcconnell he actually pulls very low

19:03

among republicans mcconnell

19:05

is reading the polls and knows what happening

19:08

and everything will say that his members

19:10

have an election and he knows

19:12

that this will not be politically

19:15

offer them have to see that's fascinating

19:17

to me because i would have assumed the

19:19

other side of that right at lake at this

19:21

moment for the midterms

19:24

republicans would not want to do anything

19:26

that can democrats essentially

19:28

victory but it sounds like what you're saying

19:30

is that they are more concerned

19:33

or more fearful that there's world where democrats

19:35

are able to really successfully

19:37

talk about how republicans

19:39

are at fault for not preventing mass shooting

19:41

at them and that they are more afraid

19:44

of what happens if they don't pass this unknown

19:46

happens if they do

19:47

i think that's right i think that non

19:50

issue is sometimes better and

19:52

politics they often create issues or

19:54

don't saw thing because it's a good

19:56

issue to run on that

19:58

when the public is horde of

20:00

of something being done and something

20:02

not being done because fun party i

20:05

think that republicans did not want to blame because

20:07

they knew they were going to be blamed for and

20:09

the primary season is almost

20:12

over though when republicans

20:14

are fearing candidate challenges

20:16

from the right it's too

20:18

late for our

20:20

right candidate the who are running

20:23

the gun issue to jump and like most of

20:25

the rated close

20:27

your like they're filing deadline to close

20:29

the primaries are almost over so

20:31

it's too late nicole i [unk] recycled for

20:33

it to have a major and and

20:36

it's okay selection that they could be blamed

20:38

if nothing with are

20:40

you know where to send him i do think it's

20:41

pour into you make it clear like

20:43

how far there is to go

20:45

here and how much can go

20:48

wrong especially of the goal right now is

20:50

to get twenty get twenty republican

20:52

senators c or agreed it would

20:54

you rather insights you want to sources

20:57

of obstruction from

20:59

republicans like who are going be the republicans

21:02

that are not going to vote in favor

21:04

of death and what they gonna say

21:06

yeah i think that's actually really interesting

21:08

question though what they gonna say

21:11

are they going to stay silent that

21:13

won't matter the profile and

21:15

it's gonna be fine they're gonna go about their way

21:17

vote against said but at bay

21:20

you say that this is a gun confiscation

21:23

bell that infringes on second

21:25

amendment right that can be very problematic for

21:27

the other republican who

21:30

view by if the place

21:32

and if it comes to that effect the one

21:34

thing i can foresee not touching

21:36

that the ones who are probably

21:39

going to run for president and twenty and twenty

21:41

sen ted cruz of texas

21:44

and sauce holly of missouri

21:46

probably tom cotton you know

21:48

theres kind of dot round sen

21:51

rand paul is probably one libertarian

21:54

mike lee mind libertarian side

21:56

fat i think the third going

21:59

to be good though

22:01

is the question is what happened to kind of

22:04

the ones who always fall along

22:06

the party line and just sit and do

22:08

what leadership that the we'll see don't

22:11

talk briefly about the other folks who are gonna

22:13

have to

22:14

the greeted as if this were to become a

22:16

loss i'd assume that this

22:18

is something at the white house it's in favor of i mean

22:20

this kind of negotiation feels exactly

22:23

and can of joe biden wheelhouse

22:25

of like what his presidency promised

22:27

spit for the house and critically house democrats

22:30

and mean you know at least for the next few months they still

22:32

have enough votes for they don't need any republicans

22:34

to but with them to pass this

22:36

on their side bets are they

22:38

okay with this mean this kind of agreement

22:40

that i would imagine falls

22:42

away sort of the kinds

22:44

of gun control legislation that

22:47

democrats in the house with one the past yeah

22:49

i've been asking lot of house democrats

22:51

and the credit

22:54

holding their fire and so they see legislative

22:56

acts but some of things i've heard is

22:59

for example representative alexandria cause

23:01

the court has she has concerns about

23:03

this quote criminalization component

23:05

of it i'm disappointed to smear

23:08

eyes so as and a focused

23:10

on increased criminal ah

23:13

criminalization juvenile criminalization

23:15

instead of really having focus on gun

23:17

here she worries about the main provision

23:20

of the cell were they can go

23:23

where you can go into and eighteen to

23:25

twenty one year old the juvenile background

23:27

to check for the purchase of a kind of she is

23:29

worried about the increase

23:33

security at school though

23:35

is a rep corey bush

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someone who was also on the law and

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of the spectrum we

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have heard a lot of stories a lot theories

23:43

about how best to protect students

23:45

and how best to to protect

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the easier it that these

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suggestions are absurd

23:52

distractions and at worst they

23:54

will further harm further very communities in

23:56

need of our help the most but you

23:58

know both

24:00

where he burst in alexandria cause the courts

24:02

has said that they are hopeful

24:04

or encouraged but they're

24:06

going to still be lot of questions

24:08

and so as far as house

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republicans are concerned i'm not sure where

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they're going to stand or republican leader

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kevin mccarthy has still said nothing

24:17

about this framework and what

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see how it falls i suspect that

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fewer house republicans will vote for it

24:24

then senate republican leon

24:27

as someone who has covered

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the

24:30

hill and congress for a while i'm

24:32

curious what your kind of

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person or read is on this

24:36

moment it seems like when you read the headline

24:39

about this there there's a

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lot to hope for for people who have been

24:43

to see some kind of change on gun control

24:45

and and can access in this country for a long time

24:48

and either the same time mean the

24:50

says congress and things

24:52

go slowly and they blow up and

24:54

plans fall apart and wonder lakes

24:57

see you see this as a big moments

24:59

d c this is like a sea teams

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though

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i see this as a big moment

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if an error chris murphy told me

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that the

25:10

particular that the bell or the house

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are extremely important but so

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is the fact that logjam

25:17

of thirty years of doing nothing in congress

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will have been broken the guy

25:22

and the question i have

25:24

is okay if they pass the

25:27

logjam broken

25:29

to sunday and and are going to be a thirty

25:31

more years of nothing else died

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or is the logjam broken

25:36

so that there will continue to be incremental

25:38

improvements and gun safety and

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mental health regarding this issue

25:43

a you know i tend to believe that it's going

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to be the former where this is going to be it

25:48

for a long while anything

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that's why some people are a little skittish

25:52

and nervous about it because

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they wanted this to go much further how

25:57

people do worry that isn't going be admit

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they're going get or while putting

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all that aside and i do think

26:04

that it is extremely thing

26:06

that began with that republicans and democrats

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were able come as far as necessary

26:10

but up with this over the finish line finish think that

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it is a pretty big deal

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and it's also really and things can see

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if this passes it's the says

26:19

actually have any impact

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