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What is up, Runner Gang. Welcome back to Post

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run High. This is my first semi

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solo episode of twenty twenty five, and

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I say semi solo episode because

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we filmed this conversation in

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two parts. Currently, I'm

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sitting here in my office in

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Brooklyn, New York. But three weeks

0:22

ago, I was in Joshua Tree, California

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with my fiance and he

0:27

had the idea of doing

0:29

a reverse interview on

0:32

me, where we do a deep dive into

0:34

my life and kind of unpack

0:36

all the things that make me me and

0:39

make me who I am today. On

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top of that, at the end of this episode,

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Jeremy is going to sit back down with me here

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in New York and we are going to

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go over some takeaways from the episode

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and any key learnings that

0:53

I think can apply to your guys's

0:56

life. Without further ado, Please make sure

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you guys subscribe to this channel. Your support

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me across social media Instagram

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and TikTok at Kate Max. Let's

1:08

get into the full story

1:10

of me. So

1:17

for context, Jeremy and I are currently in Joshua

1:20

Tree, California. We come here

1:22

every year over the holidays, and

1:24

it's actually where we got engaged

1:26

last year, so it's

1:28

a very special place to us. And we did

1:30

go for a four mile run. Got

1:33

to keep it authentic, guys. It's called post run high

1:35

for a reason.

1:35

Elevation here is no joke. Yeah,

1:38

the airs, then maybe

1:40

I'm just am I out of shape. It

1:42

was tough keeping up with Kate today was a struggle.

1:45

I think Jeremy always asks

1:47

me after a run. He's like, how are you

1:49

feeling? Was that hard for you? And I

1:51

feel like you forget that. I literally do this

1:53

every single day for a job, so

1:56

it's.

1:56

Like quite aware of what you do for HELLOAI.

1:58

So my stamina is there. But I do have

2:00

to say today was kind of hard. I was definitely breathing

2:03

heavy, and it was so cold outside. I feel

2:05

like whenever I'm running in cold weather, I just feel it

2:07

more in my lungs.

2:08

We're at Walmart yesterday and Kate

2:10

asked to check out person. She's like, we're

2:12

in California, said it's supposed to be warm

2:14

here. He's like, I mean, we're in the desert.

2:17

In the summer it's really really hot and in the winter

2:19

it's really really cold.

2:20

Yeah, so if you're planning a trip to josh Wit

2:22

Tree, you just know that all

2:25

year round it's beautiful. The summer apparently

2:27

is very very hot, and the winter is chilly.

2:30

It kind of feels like late fall. Here is

2:32

the weather I would describe like if you're a New

2:34

Yorker, which I feel like a lot

2:36

of my listeners are New Yorkers, or

2:39

you're in a city that gets cold in the late

2:41

fall winter, that's that's kind of what

2:43

it feels like here in Joshua Tree.

2:45

Well, it is beautiful, and I'm so thankful

2:47

to be here. We're at a house

2:49

that Frank Sinatra supposedly

2:52

lived in.

2:52

Which, by the way, I've been very freaked out

2:54

by.

2:55

Yes, the ghost of Frank Sinatra is

2:57

with us. I'm personally a big fan of

2:59

the ghost. I I welcome the

3:01

ghosts. If the ghost you know, wherever you are in the

3:03

house, you're listening right now, m All,

3:06

I love you, You're, You're, You're, You're. Goadd

3:08

Kate is a little bit more frightened by the ghost

3:10

of Frank.

3:11

It's a very big house. I think I realized

3:13

really quickly that I'm so used to apartment

3:16

living that when I

3:18

get into a really big house that just has

3:21

all this space, I'm like a

3:23

little spooked by it.

3:24

Well, let's get into some things.

3:26

So Kate has a lot of valuable things

3:28

to share it I think would be pretty insightful

3:30

for you to you guys. One of them is definitely

3:33

not how to drive, because she can't really help anybody

3:35

there. But what I think

3:37

would be awesome, uh is just

3:39

like I would love to hear kind

3:41

of how you got to where you are. I mean, you're

3:44

doing a podcast alongside iHeartRadio.

3:47

Your running interview show has probably gotten

3:49

like maybe even like a billion

3:52

views at this point, Like a we

3:54

should probably do some do some data

3:56

on that one. But you quit

3:58

your job I guess probably about

4:00

a year and a half ago, right, and you're

4:02

kind of building a media media

4:04

company and then producing

4:07

shows and you know, pushing the envelope

4:09

doing some really cool things. So Kate,

4:12

like walk us back, like all right, you were in New

4:15

Jersey. Yeah, And I think I

4:17

think what will be helpful to kind of learn about

4:19

like what your initial motivator

4:22

was and kind of tie that into running

4:24

and how running is so authentic to you.

4:26

But walk us back to like twelve

4:29

years old, Like, what were you doing

4:31

well at that time? What was like your life trajectory,

4:34

and did you have some like pivotal moment

4:36

there that really changed things for.

4:38

You twelve year old Kate. Let's see,

4:40

I'm.

4:40

Kind of scared at twelve year old Kate personally, are

4:43

you maybe twelve

4:45

year old Kate?

4:46

I'll I'll pull my ear muscle on.

4:48

I mean, I guess I can give you the backstory

4:50

on me as a person because I haven't

4:52

really done that, which is so weird. It's

4:54

like, I feel like so much of my life is

4:56

online.

4:57

Well, you're interviewing other people.

4:58

Yeah, like that's what you do, Like you run interview,

5:00

you sit down post run high interview.

5:03

It's crazy because I feel like so much

5:05

of my life is online

5:07

in a sense, because I post videos

5:09

almost every single day of what I'm up to during

5:12

that week, you know, running with people, sitting down

5:14

talking to people now for post run High. But

5:17

at the same time, you guys

5:19

really don't know that much about

5:21

me, and so I'm

5:23

really excited for this episode because we're

5:26

digging into it. I guess, starting

5:28

with when I was twelve.

5:29

Years old to twelve years old, we're in sixth

5:31

grade. Okay, which middle school?

5:33

Okay? So growing up. So, I grew up,

5:35

as I said, in a small town in

5:37

New Jersey called Glenarack, New Jersey. The whole town

5:40

was a mile by a mile. I'm one of three kids.

5:42

I have two older brother sorry, I have two brothers. They're

5:44

older than me. But one of them happens to be my twin

5:46

brother, Brendan, who's like one of my best friends.

5:49

Love Brendan to death. He's very involved with

5:52

all of the interviews that I do. He's always

5:54

helping me with research. So Brendan

5:56

and I and my older brother we're all

5:58

super super close. And and yeah,

6:00

I grew up in a family

6:03

of five with you know, two other siblings, and

6:05

then I had my two parents, and we were very

6:07

active kids. I would say, like my

6:09

mom for a majority

6:11

of my early life like stayed at home with us, and

6:14

my dad worked in the city. So

6:16

like my day to day growing up wash

6:19

you know, my dad would be up at probably

6:21

I think that man wakes up at like four am

6:24

and would drive into New York

6:26

City and go to work. And then

6:28

my mom would you know, take us to

6:30

school and k through eighth grade.

6:32

I went to a Catholic grammar school,

6:35

which I think is so strange to think about

6:37

because most of my friends

6:40

went to public schools where you're

6:42

in classes with like or you have grades

6:45

of, you know, three hundred plus people, two

6:47

hundred plus people. But kindergarten

6:49

through eighth grade I went to school with I

6:52

think it was like forty kids. Maybe

6:54

it was forty four as the grades, you

6:57

know, as we went up in school and more kids

6:59

kind of transferred in, but k through

7:01

eighth grade I was with the same let's

7:03

call it forty kids for that many years,

7:06

and it was amazing. It was like such a blessing. I

7:08

loved going to school there and that was my life.

7:10

And then outside of school, you know, we did

7:13

all the extracurricular kind of activities

7:15

that kids do, and my parents

7:17

really loved sports for us. You

7:20

know, we were all very active kids, and we took

7:22

a liking at a young age two sports. And

7:24

the main sport that I really really liked was lacrosse.

7:27

And I've talked about this before, but I come from a

7:29

family of all lacrosse players except my

7:31

parents.

7:31

For context, her brothers were national

7:34

champion lacrosse players in college Division

7:36

one yeah, so not just lacrosse players,

7:38

but very good lacrosse players.

7:40

Oh. Got to the point where, like I have, my

7:42

parents are so type A to the point

7:44

where, like at a certain point

7:46

in my grade school, like let's call it eleven

7:48

twelve years old, my mom would put together

7:51

workouts for us to do in the backyard,

7:53

practicing our stick skills, like practicing

7:55

ground balls and really just playing with

7:58

each other because she knew that if they want to

8:00

be great, they need to be practicing a ton,

8:02

you know, because that's what other kids

8:05

were doing. That like really liked lacrosse, which is

8:07

like so funny to think about, because when I think about lacrosse,

8:09

like it's such a Northeast sport,

8:11

and like there's so many memes you can make

8:13

out of lacrosse. But that was like my childhood.

8:16

I was you were from the Northeast, you were from a lacrosse

8:18

town, your brothers played lacrosse.

8:20

Yes, I played lacrosse.

8:21

You got good at it?

8:22

Yeah, And that was my like, that was my life. Like by the time

8:24

I was twelve, I mean I did other sports,

8:26

right, because I was at this Catholic grammar

8:28

school and I always did you know, the wreck basketball

8:31

and the wreck volleyball and done.

8:33

In the spring, I would do lacrosse in my town,

8:36

and then in the summer months, I was traveling around

8:38

at lacrosse camps and

8:40

lacrosse tournaments, all in fucking

8:43

lax bros. Okay, that's what

8:45

we were doing. She was a Lexis, yeah

8:49

and yeah. And then I

8:51

ended up going to high school at this school

8:54

called Immaculate Heart Academy for one

8:56

year. And I chose the

8:58

school actually because one of the lacrosse

9:00

camps that I went to every summer was at

9:02

IJ and I loved the

9:04

coach there so much, and like she took a liking

9:07

to me. All I wanted to do was play

9:10

lacrosse at that high school, like my

9:13

entire life. I was like when I was at those camps,

9:15

I was like, I want to be like kid

9:17

of the week, you know, like I wanted all the older girls

9:19

to like me, because all the older girls that were

9:21

teaching the camp were girls that went to that high

9:24

school. So I remember being a freshman

9:27

and I was like, oh my god, I can't wait till

9:29

the spring when I can try out try out for the lacrosse team.

9:31

But obviously lacrosse is a spring

9:33

sport, and I had to figure out something to do

9:36

in the fall months and the winter months,

9:39

and so in the fall month

9:41

I started doing cross country for the first time.

9:43

And it was funny because I

9:46

never wanted to identify as like a cross country

9:48

runner, because like it was just so

9:50

different than what I was so used to, which is like contact

9:52

sports and being on a sports team

9:55

and like assisting girls and just having I

9:57

mean, playing team sports is just so fun.

9:59

Field sports it really you can relate as

10:01

a basketball player, right, like field

10:03

sports are other sports too. Yeah.

10:05

Yeah, my well, not to talk about me,

10:07

but my siblings are. One of them was

10:10

a college triathlete, the other one was a college

10:12

swimmer, and those were actually

10:14

as kids, swimming was like the sports

10:16

our parents put us into, and

10:19

I did that versus playing soccer

10:21

and masketb when I was like, oh my god, soccer and masketball are

10:23

so much more fun. And it's because team

10:25

sports, but they're fun.

10:27

Yeah. So I went to high school and when

10:29

I was a freshman, I tried out for the or

10:31

I didn't try out because anybody could walk on to

10:34

it. I did the cross country team, and

10:36

I very quickly realized I was a good runner, which

10:38

I knew because when I was younger.

10:40

Running up and down that lacrosse field.

10:41

Yes, when I was younger, every single sport

10:44

that I did, like I was that girl that

10:46

they would call like wheels, like I was very speedy.

10:48

You know, that was my thing, and guys, I lost that. But

10:50

we'll get to that.

10:51

Her highlight tape is literally like her picking

10:53

up the ball behind the goal type.

10:55

In Kate Mackie Lacrosse highlight on YouTube

10:57

and you can go down a little.

10:58

Worm after this episode.

11:00

This episode right now we are locked in, but

11:02

like her videos are literally her picking up the ball

11:04

like behind her own goal, sprinting

11:06

all the way to the other side, dodging four

11:08

girls and then nailing at top right

11:10

corner, and then next thing, same exact

11:13

play, just running one side of the field all the way over the

11:15

other.

11:15

It was fun back then, and

11:18

so I think that's important context to note

11:20

because like even before

11:22

cross country, I loved to run,

11:25

and like I would growing up, like go for runs

11:27

with my mom. I remember her distinctly in her

11:29

little tennis skirts and we would do five

11:31

k's around the town and you know, I

11:33

just I really loved loved to run. Always, whether

11:36

it was in a sport on my own or you

11:38

know, on a fields, it just was

11:40

something that I naturally gravitated towards and was

11:42

always kind of known for. And so

11:44

when I went to high school and I tried

11:46

out for the cross country team and I started racing,

11:49

I very quickly realized like, oh,

11:51

this is something that not only am I taking a liking

11:54

to, but I'm actually like decent at it. And

11:56

I was actually at this school I was

11:58

on basically the way cross country works,

12:00

I don't know if it works the same, but it's the top seven

12:03

girls are varsity. And I

12:05

remember I was like only doing cross country

12:07

to have my conditioning

12:09

good for when I tried out for the lacrosse

12:12

team, but very quickly I made

12:14

the top seven as a freshman, and

12:17

I remember being like, wow,

12:19

this is kind of interesting, like you know, I

12:22

definitely am taking a liking to this. And

12:24

then winter track came around, and same

12:26

kind of thing, Like I was

12:29

decent enough where I was,

12:31

you know, one of the top runners on the team. Then

12:33

I go on to my lacrosse

12:35

season, which is that spring, and I try out

12:38

and I made varsity and

12:40

I was ecstatic. I was like the only girl

12:43

out of all the freshmen that made the varsity

12:45

team, and I was actually ended up being

12:47

a starter. And that was

12:49

like my fucking dream. Imagine that, like

12:51

all throughout my middle school years, I'm going

12:53

to this camp and then all of a sudden, I

12:55

make the varsity team and I'm a starter

12:58

and they were really really good team in

13:00

the state. And it was in

13:02

that freshman season, towards

13:04

the end of it that I had a

13:06

like career changing injury. I

13:09

jumped up to intercept a pass and

13:11

before I knew it, I landed and

13:13

I tore my ACL, MCL and meniscus.

13:16

So I went from being varsity cross country, let's

13:18

call it varsity winter track, varsity

13:21

lacrosse.

13:22

And getting recruited to play

13:24

like high division one in college.

13:26

At the time, I was getting looks from college coaches

13:28

for lacrosse, and like

13:31

literally like night and day,

13:34

like my, how do I snap my within

13:39

an instant, like that was kind of

13:41

over Honestly, me at twelve

13:44

was very different than me at fourteen,

13:46

because be at twelve was like I literally

13:48

remember, I have this letter that I wrote

13:50

to myself in the sixth grade that was

13:52

kind of like a letter that our teacher had us write

13:54

to ourselves and she mailed it to us when we

13:56

were I think seniors in high school, and I

13:58

have it in what I called my special box.

14:01

And in that letter, I wrote to myself, you know, like

14:04

you're gonna go on to be like a d one lacrosse

14:06

player, and like I remember, I had

14:08

this goal of being on like lacrosse magazine,

14:10

like standing next to my brothers, like I thought that

14:12

was the coolest thing ever, literally tearing up

14:14

talking about this because you know,

14:16

that was my dream. And then so

14:19

that's twelve year old Kate, as you asked, you know, focused

14:21

on that. And then fourteen year old Kate is

14:23

like, well, that's kind of over because

14:26

I just like knew you know, when people come

14:28

back from ACL surgeries. But as

14:31

the story will go on, I did my recovery,

14:34

did my rehab, very dedicated

14:36

to wanting to come back and

14:38

go be performing at the same level that I

14:40

was, And during

14:42

that year doing rehab, I was so

14:44

emotional over it that I was like,

14:47

I can't be the only person going through this

14:49

right now. And through the rehab that I

14:51

was doing in the physical therapy kind of after the surgery,

14:54

I quickly realized there's so many kids

14:56

my age and so many girls my age

14:58

that tear their acls. So I started

15:00

a blog which doesn't exist anymore,

15:02

but I do have some of the old videos that I can share.

15:06

She deleted it when I found it.

15:07

Yeah, it was so embarrassing for me, which I'm like, gosh,

15:09

that's cold.

15:10

I wish you we got to find it.

15:12

Yeah, but I made this website.

15:15

Or belog someone listening, Well, we'll find.

15:17

It video please. I don't know how search

15:19

the dark web. I don't know. But

15:22

the website was.

15:22

Called so perfectly

15:25

translates to why you're doing now?

15:26

Yes it does. So I started documenting

15:29

my recovery blogging it, and it was

15:31

so cool because I literally started this online

15:33

community during that year. When I'm fourteen

15:35

fifteen now going into my sophomore year of high

15:37

school, I started an online community

15:40

where people would come up to me and be like, your

15:43

blog documenting your ACL surgery

15:46

made me feel so much better

15:48

about going into this surgery. And

15:51

it was just a really cool thing that I did

15:53

when I was that age. And then anyways, I went back

15:55

to lacrosse and I ended up retearing my ACL,

15:58

which.

15:58

I can only imagine after a year of training

16:01

and blogging it and

16:03

fun fact, during that year, uh,

16:06

you happen to be on the same like ACL recovery

16:08

timeline as legend Mariana

16:10

Rivera.

16:11

I did, and we got surgery at the same

16:13

hospital, the Hospital for Special Surgery. Shout

16:15

out to doctor Kurdasco and doctor Green, They're

16:17

literally the best of the best. And

16:21

yes, I did uh do PTE a

16:23

couple times with Marianna Rivera.

16:25

But like, I think that's also fitting

16:28

for you know, CAP didn't really make

16:30

it a big deal. You know, she was doing pet with Mariano

16:32

Rivera. When I heard that, I was like, oh my god, that

16:34

is epic. I can only imagine. I mean, I was I

16:36

like the Yankees, especially like Derek Jeter,

16:39

Mariano Rivera, Alex Rodriguez,

16:41

like that era, and you were with

16:43

marian I'm pretty much at the end of of

16:46

you know, his era, but he was still you

16:48

know, bawling out like he was still extraordinarily relevant.

16:50

But you didn't really make too

16:52

much of it.

16:53

You know, it was cool, like it was chill, And I think maybe

16:55

that translates to kind of what you do for

16:58

a living now, which is you know, interacting

17:00

with a lot of people who you

17:03

know might some might get

17:05

starstruck vibe.

17:06

You really don't.

17:07

This whole thing that we do, like the running interview

17:09

show started, So.

17:11

That's when it started.

17:12

Really, I mean, if you were going to find it through so

17:14

it was you documenting your journey, it was

17:16

it was.

17:17

Me documenting my journey, learning how to video

17:19

edit, really enjoying video editing,

17:21

Like there's nothing I love more than getting into

17:24

an edit. Storytelling is at the heart

17:26

of everything I do. And while

17:28

I love, you know, sharing my story

17:30

with other people in the hopes that it can inspire

17:33

help another young girl that maybe is currently

17:35

going through what I went through fifteen years ago,

17:37

I love sharing other people's stories because

17:39

it's like not all about me. And one of the big parts

17:42

about my blog when I was younger was I

17:44

had a forum where people could

17:46

share their own stories, and people started

17:48

engaging with one another and it became its community

17:50

of its own that honestly, like, yeah,

17:52

I posted videos to it, but it completely

17:55

operated in its own way, and people

17:57

made friends from it, and it was a pretty wild

17:59

thing. It was by no means like massive, but we

18:02

had like a couple thousand people on there.

18:04

Pretty niche, pretty niche.

18:05

I mean, that's the fact that there are a couple thousand,

18:08

like young girls who have torn their ACL

18:10

at the same time is remarkable

18:12

in itself. And fast

18:21

forward though, So you did the recovery

18:24

with marian A fun fact, and.

18:25

Then did the recovery retorm

18:27

my ACL.

18:29

And what did that feel like to like walk me through,

18:31

like what happened there? And like what what went through your

18:33

mind?

18:33

I remember it so crystal clear, literally

18:36

my ACL surgery and like going through that

18:38

transformed me into a different

18:41

person. Like I swear to god, I jumped timelines

18:44

because when the year mark

18:46

came around and I was back to playing lacrosse,

18:48

I was I had done my high school season, and

18:51

to keep in mind, I actually transferred from

18:53

IHA back to my public school.

18:56

It was something my parents really wanted me to do.

18:58

They wanted me to be closer to home. And

19:01

it was in that summer season that

19:04

I was back at like my first

19:06

practice on my summer teams, which I

19:08

played for Steps Lacrosse. If anybody knows

19:10

of it, any of you listening are Steps

19:13

prior Steps players or current Steps players.

19:15

That was sure that very

19:17

niche.

19:18

They actually re shared one of my videos one time, and

19:20

I was like, but

19:23

anyways, yeah, and I was back, and I remember

19:25

I was playing defense, which is something that I loved,

19:27

Like, I loved playing defense. I think that was

19:30

like the one thing about me, like as a midfielder, like I

19:32

loved scoring goals and like playing attack and assisting

19:34

people, but I love defense because I thought it was so

19:36

fun. And that's where like you get kind of technical,

19:38

because it's either like you have it or you don't

19:40

when it comes to defense. Anyways,

19:42

sidebar, But yeah,

19:45

it was just laterally.

19:46

Stepping and being a lacrosse coach might be in Kate's

19:48

future.

19:49

Oh my god, I'd be such a good lacrosse coach, but I can't.

19:51

My Yeah, I have coached whatever.

19:54

I have toddled a lot of camps even past moving

19:57

on, though, I remember the moment that I retored.

19:59

I was playing defense on a girl and I laterally

20:01

stepped and instantly the graf

20:03

to retour and I fell to

20:05

the ground. And first

20:08

tearing my ACL was never painful. There

20:10

was not one part of either tear that

20:12

I remember or was painful. But I

20:14

do remember in that moment tearing my ACL. My

20:16

mom was actually at the practice in

20:19

her car and she like runs over

20:22

and I obviously like burst into tears.

20:24

I'm like, oh my god, I know, I just retore

20:26

my ACL, which is kind of funny because even

20:28

the year prior, my fourteen year old self had no

20:30

fucking idea what an ACL was. And I was

20:32

like, I think I just tore my ACL. So

20:36

you just kind of know when it happens. And

20:38

I remember saying my mom and that car ride,

20:40

like we're gonna go get the MRI. But

20:43

if it comes back that like the graft

20:45

is completely torn again, like I am not

20:48

gonna go through with surgery again, and

20:50

I am done playing lacrosse.

20:53

Isn't that sad? Oh

20:56

my god, you scrow me. It's

20:59

okay, gonna make me cry. Oh

21:02

my god, you're making me cry.

21:05

So you tore it that second time.

21:08

At that point, it was evident one door

21:10

had closed, Yes, did another

21:13

open?

21:13

Yes? Yes? Yes? Oh my god, yeah,

21:16

I have something that can really make you cry. But I won't

21:18

do it too.

21:19

Do it. Come

21:21

on, I want to hear it, come

21:23

on, Okay.

21:24

So after I tore my AL, my

21:26

mom was like I need to distract her and

21:28

as you know, I love stores with random

21:30

shit.

21:31

Oh my god.

21:33

So literally driving

21:36

back from this steps lacrosse practice

21:39

and with a tor yes.

21:42

And my mom is like a tiger mom, so like while

21:44

she was doing good stuff for me, she was also like

21:46

telling me how it is. She was like, if you

21:48

retore your a cl which fucking

21:50

pray you read you didn't, We're

21:53

gonna have to figure out what you're gonna do, you

21:55

know, because your grades aren't great

21:58

and lacrosse was all your folks to do when

22:00

you talk about a differentiator college application

22:02

wise, I was already end of my sophomore year

22:04

now in high school going into my junior year, like

22:07

I was somebody that was on track to play deep

22:09

on the cross. That's what my older brothers were doing. That's

22:11

like what I thought I was gonna do. So I literally had

22:13

my mom saying, who's like so type I so

22:16

tig your mom. Right after

22:18

a doorsl She's like, I don't know what

22:20

you're gonna do, Like this is a disaster. So

22:23

I'm like already feeling down bad and all of a sudden,

22:25

I'm like, oh my god, it's over whatever. So

22:27

that was like a bad thing, and then moving

22:30

forward. I remember she's whatever. She

22:32

ends up taking me to a store on the way

22:34

back that just like has a bunch of like random

22:37

stuff like anything from like your random Christmas

22:39

ornaments to like the cute I

22:42

don't know, like just cute knickknacks and shit,

22:44

like I love that stuff. I can get lost in one of those

22:46

stores. And I

22:48

see this like plaque. It was like one of those

22:50

quote plaques that you put kind of above your door

22:52

or wherever you want, and it said life

22:55

isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.

22:57

It's about learning to dance in the rain. And she

22:59

was like, you buy one thing, And

23:02

so I bought that.

23:03

Where'd you put it?

23:05

So I put it in my room and I

23:07

looked at it literally every day, and

23:10

I was like, well, I loved video editing, like I

23:12

loved my blog. And there was always

23:14

a side of me growing up that like, while my parents

23:16

pushed athletics, like, I was also

23:18

like very artistic and I did

23:20

a lot of oil painting classes growing up and

23:23

I loved it, like I loved painting still lives,

23:25

and I really liked like Haynd drawing, and

23:27

so I was like, I know what I'm gonna do, like I'm gonna lean into

23:30

art, like I'll start applying to schools because I always

23:32

thought kind of like after college

23:35

I would go into a job in advertising

23:37

or something creative. But it was in this moment

23:39

where I was no longer playing the sport and going

23:41

to college for it, that I was like, I can really figure out what I

23:43

want to do in college, you know, like I can

23:45

really sit down and like get it good at an actual

23:48

skill. And that's exactly what I

23:50

did. I worked with this guy, Frank Riley for

23:52

my junior year and my senior year, and

23:55

Frank Riley's this incredible artist,

23:57

and we together he helped

23:59

me, you know, put together my art portfolio

24:02

and he really like taught me how to watercolor,

24:04

paint and use charcoal and it

24:07

was really cool. And we put this vast portfolio

24:10

together that had like all these different mediums,

24:12

and I shotgunned every single school that had like

24:14

a top art program, like I applied

24:16

to Parsons Pratt f

24:19

T, Syracuse's Art

24:22

School, Boston University, Boston University's

24:24

Art School, Risdy, and I got

24:27

ended up getting into every single school

24:29

that I applied to granted.

24:31

And then you went to none of them, and.

24:32

Then I went to none of them, which is kind of weird.

24:36

There was some there was some parental influence

24:38

there, yes, yes, yes,

24:42

or maybe safe to say, yeah, your parents

24:44

didn't want you as Parsons as much as they wanted

24:46

you getting a marketing or you know, finance

24:49

degree, something more in line

24:51

with what they were familiar with.

24:53

Yeah, my parents ended up

24:55

really pushing like you should go to a school for

24:57

business and marketing and

25:00

go into advertising, you know, and

25:03

you know, in hindsight, in hindsight twenty

25:05

twenty, like the schools that I was choosing

25:07

between were parsons for the visual arts program

25:10

and ended up being foredam and

25:12

I really wanted a school in New York City. I

25:14

grew up forty five minutes away from the city.

25:17

I loved going into the city. I like after

25:19

Terry macill and going through all of that. One of the things that

25:21

I also did when I was a junior and

25:23

senior is I took a lot of weekend classes

25:25

at f IT, which I loved so much,

25:28

and I would literally after the classes just walk around

25:30

the city all day. I remember my dad would give me like

25:32

twenty bucks and I would just like you

25:34

know.

25:35

Going in some dollar slice.

25:36

Yeah exactly. I would just walk around.

25:38

There was actually a place called MEXICU that I loved,

25:41

going to.

25:41

Shout in Mexico. Yeah,

25:44

but you went to Fordham. He studied

25:46

marketing.

25:47

Went to Fordham studied marketing. Like, didn't

25:49

have the best college experience.

25:51

You met me, but yeah, not

25:54

at Fordham, but while you were in college

25:56

while I was in college.

25:57

Oh my gosh, Like, whenever I see content creators

25:59

and I've intern you a lot of content creators that have these incredible

26:01

college experiences. Even you you had an awesome

26:04

college experience, Like I really didn't have

26:06

that. And I think it was because, like I was so

26:08

fucking confused as a person. Like after

26:10

like my whole life, my whole early life was

26:13

kind of like changed. So suddenly in my teens,

26:15

I feel like my late teens in high school and the beginning

26:17

of college, like I was figuring myself out,

26:20

you know, like I was figuring out, like, okay, outside

26:22

of a sport, who were my friends? You

26:24

know? Like who do I hang out with? Because growing

26:26

up, like I was always just friends with the girls on my sports

26:28

teams. But by my sophomore year, I

26:30

transferred to the city campus.

26:33

I went to Fordham Lincoln Center, and I

26:35

loved it, and I realized

26:37

that the thing that I just had to do for myself

26:40

was start getting internships. And that's

26:42

exactly what I did. So I, you know, worked

26:44

multiple jobs when I was in college. I started

26:46

out as a waitress when I was a freshman, and

26:48

then by my sophomore year, I

26:51

started working at a creative agency.

26:53

Shout out Shanda. She was my mentor and

26:56

I like owe everything to her in college, and then she helped

26:58

me get my next job, which was at like another

27:01

creative agency, and I kind

27:03

of agency bounced. And then when I graduated,

27:05

I started working in advertising.

27:07

So you were working in advertising, and

27:10

I do think at a certain point you

27:12

were kind of like you looked above

27:15

and said, who are the people who I'm working for? Who are

27:17

the people they are working for?

27:19

You know? This is this

27:21

is this is what it is.

27:23

Yeah. So I graduated. I graduated a year

27:25

or early. I ended up like paying

27:27

for my last year of college, so I was like, let me expedite

27:30

this shit.

27:30

When I met Kate, I think I met

27:32

going into our senior year, and you were like taking

27:35

night classes, you were working during the day,

27:38

you were taking like a full eighteen hour

27:40

credit load at night, and you were like,

27:42

I'm finishing early. Like that was like the first thing you

27:44

said. I'm like, geez, girl, you're doing a lot like everything,

27:46

Okay, You're like, I got to finish early.

27:47

I was like, let me just nail

27:50

this job that I'm doing at these internships,

27:52

build out my resume, and graduate early.

27:54

And it all ended up working out. I

27:57

graduated early, and yeah,

27:59

I started working and advertising. One

28:01

job ended up leading to the next, which

28:03

was this company called Lippincott that I was so

28:06

excited to work out, and for about six

28:08

months of it, I was thriving. There was

28:10

an older girl that had gone to Fordam

28:12

that helps me get the interview, and

28:16

I just thought the work they were doing was fascinating.

28:18

I thought it was so cool, so many

28:20

lovely people at the company. And then this new bitch

28:22

came into town and she became

28:25

my boss, and I don't know what

28:27

it was about me, but she did not like

28:29

me, and I knew it immediately.

28:31

It's kind of like dating where

28:33

you just know immediately whether you like him

28:36

or don.

28:36

I feel like I was site.

28:38

It was not love at first site, and

28:41

she was the worst. I remember she picked

28:43

on me everything I did was wrong,

28:46

and I was like, I just know everything I'm doing

28:48

isn't wrong, Like I have so much experience, Like

28:50

I'm very creative and like, at

28:53

least I'm being proactive and at suggesting

28:55

ideas and adding value in the way that

28:57

I could. Like I knew I wasn't doing a bad

28:59

job, you know, like I'm

29:01

such a hard worker. But she just had it out

29:03

for me.

29:04

Well, she probably didn't like that you were suggesting

29:06

things and giving ideas. You

29:09

know, some people some people like that, they like the

29:11

initiative. Some people don't. They they go, hey,

29:13

who are you to? Who are you to, like tell me what

29:15

I did wasn't right, And I

29:17

don't think you have like the patience or

29:19

you're direct, You're very directly.

29:21

I don't know. I wasn't there.

29:23

I mean at the time, it's not that I was being super direct,

29:25

right, like they were my bosses, and everything

29:28

I did was like super polite and super nice.

29:30

And I actually remember her saying

29:32

to me in one of my reviews, like you should work in social

29:34

media. And maybe she was right, like maybe

29:36

she saw something there. Anyway,

29:38

she ended up firing me actually during

29:42

COVID, which was like the worst time to

29:45

get fired. That's when you

29:47

and I started like hanging out a lot, and

29:50

I was scrambling for new work. And

29:52

what was actually really lucky is at the

29:54

time that I got fired, it was almost okay

29:57

because I had a lot of other freelance gigs

29:59

that I was doing.

30:00

Well, we had one big one, Well, I have a couple.

30:02

I had a couple. I was helping one of Jeremy's

30:04

aunts run her social media business for her Essential

30:07

Oil company. After doing the Essential Oil

30:09

Company for a while, I was like, this is so fun.

30:12

Let me see if I can get a few new clients. So

30:15

I was like, I should just go into some businesses

30:17

around Brooklyn and New York

30:20

and like see if they need any help with their social media.

30:23

So I went into this one company

30:25

called or one coffee shop called

30:27

PQ Coffee Roasters, I think that's what

30:29

it was called. And it was so

30:31

cool, like the whole place was decked out.

30:33

It was so aesthetic. It was very colorful. If you

30:36

live in Williamsburg, I don't even know if it's still there.

30:38

I think it is, because I think they expanded. They

30:40

were expanding at the time, but I walked

30:43

in and I was like, you know, I just said,

30:45

hey, you know, I would love to help you guys with

30:47

your social media, and very quickly they became one

30:49

of my clients as well, and that was really

30:51

cool. I was being so scrappy. I went in with

30:53

like my dad's old camera and I was taking

30:56

pictures and editing the photos and taking videos,

30:58

and yeah, I was kind of awesome. But

31:01

it was just also showed that, you

31:03

know, while a lot of this stuff at the time was

31:05

also online sending resumes

31:07

around, I also just walked right

31:09

into the storefront and I said, hey, I

31:11

need a job, and I think I can help you.

31:13

And at the time, you had started posting social

31:16

media around around this time from your own

31:18

account.

31:18

Yeah, and it.

31:19

Wasn't it's not what you're doing today. Yeah, it

31:21

was very much you like building

31:24

your base.

31:25

Yes, yeah, so I started, I, like so

31:27

many of you guys, like, I love social media. I think

31:29

it's so fun. I was sharing, you know, what I eat in

31:31

the day and day in the life. And I was also

31:33

training for the New York City Marathon. For the twenty twenty

31:35

one New York City Marathon, and I was like, let me document

31:38

this, so I started documenting my.

31:40

I remember your like your the Squid

31:42

Games. I think that was your first video that

31:44

ever like went viral. Was

31:46

like you're like three two one, run

31:49

fast for your done the fast you

31:51

done it? It was it was electric. Yeah, and it was

31:53

the start of the New York City Marathon. Uh huh, yeah,

31:55

started the New York It was like your watch. It was your

31:58

Apple Watch going like three two one and

32:00

then like panning up in fifty thousand

32:02

runners.

32:03

Yeah, it was sick over the Arizonto Bridge

32:07

and yeah, that's that. Training for the New York

32:09

City Marathon was what kicked off

32:11

me experimenting on social media

32:14

because I started posting vlogs and I started,

32:16

you know, putting myself out there, putting myself on camera

32:19

and realizing, oh, I actually really like

32:21

this, just like I liked it when I was in high

32:23

school. It was almost like I lost myself and I had

32:25

to come back to myself. You know. It's people

32:27

talk about connecting with your inner child. Video

32:30

editing and vlogging was something I loved

32:32

when I was fourteen and fifteen and sixteen,

32:34

and then I kind of lost touch with it. Because

32:36

I was figuring out, you know, what's

32:39

next, and then I came back to it. So

32:41

there you go.

32:42

How did you like what was the start for like what

32:44

we know you for today, which is the running

32:47

interview show.

32:49

Yeah, so you know, Jeremy

32:52

and I had the idea to start

32:54

a series online

32:56

and I

32:59

really wanted to do running interview show. It was

33:01

something that I was kind of set on. And

33:03

I just remember you and I back

33:05

in our teeny tiny apartment in Greenwich

33:08

Village brainstorming, you know, what

33:10

is it that we could do with running

33:12

interviews that you

33:15

know would allow me to make money?

33:16

Because allow me to make money even

33:18

if I.

33:19

Had gotten fired from Lippincott, I very quickly

33:21

got another at Omnicom at an advertising

33:23

agency.

33:23

But you did not.

33:24

You did not feel super passionate. That one was like healthcare

33:27

is something.

33:28

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't

33:30

love it. It just the it

33:32

just there was no growth.

33:34

Yeah, And I think so

33:36

this so this may have been where it's like, all

33:38

right, we need to find a way. We're

33:40

like, yeah, I can make the side hustle money, like work

33:42

with clients, but really need a

33:45

way for social media to become like

33:47

something that I can do full time because

33:49

I loved.

33:49

It, like and I knew that I could provide

33:52

like a confident, strong voice

33:54

for women.

33:55

And you did you want to say, I want to do something

33:57

that's like very positive and authentic

33:59

to my self, and you

34:01

know, I think Kate. Another takeaway

34:04

was also like we have some

34:06

some friends who were doing social

34:08

media, had just started doing social media full time,

34:11

and would make sure to like call them

34:13

or you know, I'll give a special shout out to Chris

34:15

Chilawney or our friend who passed away.

34:18

But we had a weekend with Chris

34:21

in North Carolina. Chris and I are both from North Carolina

34:24

where probably like four or five

34:26

hours of the weekend where

34:29

Chris, you know, myself and yourself

34:31

really just being like, how can

34:33

we how can we make this something that

34:36

like works, that works?

34:38

And Chris had recently

34:41

created like a quote unquote

34:43

like viral content series

34:45

or viral show. So he explained

34:48

like his process for coming up you

34:50

know, with the you know his ideas

34:52

and you know his iterations, and it was he

34:54

was the guy who did like, hey, can

34:57

I give you a dollar double a gift to the next person.

34:59

He started out doing in Washington Square Park.

35:01

Within like two months, he had probably quit his job,

35:04

and I think he had a brand

35:06

deal that you know, gave him the confidence to

35:08

really dive into it full time. But

35:11

I would say Kate was vocal with like,

35:14

all right, who which of our friends,

35:16

like has has done

35:18

this? And you

35:20

know, let's get our heads together

35:22

and let's like let's figure something out.

35:24

Yeah, that's exactly what.

35:25

And Chris was the first one I think who ever did

35:28

a run with you?

35:28

Right, Yes, he was in my old

35:31

format. And all you and Chris and

35:33

everybody would say is like, you need to come up with

35:35

a hook, Like you need to come up with

35:37

a format that you.

35:38

Can do over and over again

35:40

with.

35:40

Each person's different obviously, but let's

35:43

come up with a format. And I literally remember

35:45

the moment where we were getting into a cab

35:47

in New York City because I was like forcing you to view an apartment

35:50

with me, which is

35:52

a whole.

35:52

Other st that's its own podcast.

35:54

We have a beautiful apartment with our cat nowadays.

35:57

Yes, I miss him so much. I remember the moment

35:59

we were getting into a cab and

36:02

I say to Jeremy, oh

36:04

my god, I know what I'm gonna do. I'm

36:06

gonna buy everybody's speakers. Yeah,

36:09

that runs with me as a prize, like

36:12

that'll be the prize. Kicked off the show

36:14

literally the next day with our roommate

36:16

Yordy. He ran eight miles with me. He

36:18

does not run, and the video did

36:20

well enough for me to say, all right, let me do

36:23

it another.

36:23

You just knew it was

36:26

like, this is gonna work.

36:27

I just knew, and I knew it was gonna

36:29

work because in the first month we got eighty

36:31

million hits. That's

36:33

insane. It was awesome, and the

36:36

show started doing really well, and you

36:39

know, like social media is, there's

36:41

there's highs, and there's lows, and there's highs

36:43

and there's lows. And we definitely rode this really

36:45

high wave for a while, got a really great base

36:47

of you guys, you know, enjoying

36:49

the guests.

36:50

People thought, you know, made people feel good and

36:52

inspired people to run. Yeah, like all

36:54

positive things.

36:55

And that's it. The show started, and I

36:58

never want to stop it. It's literally so

37:00

fun for me. I get to run with people

37:02

for a living. I keep in mind, like I don't even think we

37:04

really touched on this, but like after I tore my ACL

37:06

in high school, just like backtracking a second, I

37:09

leaned into running full force, like running

37:11

was and always will be like my happy

37:13

place. It helped me like find my spark

37:16

again, literally, and it's

37:18

been the most consistent thing

37:20

in my life for the longest time.

37:23

Like you can't say I'm not consistent.

37:25

I literally have run almost

37:27

every single day since I was fourteen.

37:31

So you're running with people, you have your

37:34

tripod, your selfie stick, you're documenting

37:37

their journey.

37:38

So for about I don't know, like.

37:40

Eight months, would you say it was just you

37:42

doing that every day, editing the videos.

37:45

And then at what point were you like, oh.

37:47

My god, it was such a grind. I was waking up every

37:49

day before my nine to five at

37:51

like six am. Some days go going

37:54

for two runs in the morning, some days,

37:56

you know, just doing one and then

37:58

laying in bed, edit the video,

38:00

posting the video by tenant or on the couch

38:03

or on the couch wherever I was, and then

38:05

I would go to work and that

38:07

was, you know, that was my job.

38:09

And then at what point did you have the confidence?

38:12

I remember you calling me and

38:15

being like, I I quit or

38:17

here's what happened. They put you on a performance plan, and oh

38:20

here's what happened.

38:21

So, as you can imagine,

38:24

this very quickly took over my entire

38:26

focus.

38:27

And my life went zero to one hundred real quick,

38:29

like twelve million, eighteen million views,

38:32

twenty million views.

38:33

Yeah, and I started getting brand

38:35

deals and people reaching out, and you

38:38

know, a lot of the stuff that happens on social

38:40

media happens during normal working hours. So

38:42

I was like, I can't possibly have a full time

38:44

job while I'm doing all of this,

38:46

you know, And there's so much opportunity in

38:48

front of me, and like, this is making me feel

38:50

so good, and it was just so aligned

38:53

with me. I just like knew it in my core

38:57

and that was it. Yeah, I ran

38:59

with it, literally, and within one

39:01

month I quit my job.

39:04

And it was because I got so busy

39:06

that my boss could tell. And I had recently

39:08

gotten switched on to a new team. I was a senior

39:10

account executive, so you

39:12

have to be like managing a team of people and

39:15

you know, be really engaged, and I just

39:17

like my heart just was not there. And

39:20

I literally remember at the end of the first month

39:22

of me starting my show, my boss

39:24

calls me into a meeting with like hr

39:26

and was like, we're going to put you on a performance plan. We're

39:28

going to walk you through it. And they literally stopped

39:30

him right there, and I go, everybody, everybody,

39:33

I want to save you thirty minutes. Please,

39:35

like you do not need

39:38

to walk you through a performance plan. Please, Dear God,

39:40

like I'm putting in my two weeks effective

39:42

immediately because what I said. We

39:51

are back in New York. Thank you so much

39:53

for listening to my conversation with

39:55

Jeremy. We're now sitting

39:58

down here with Jeremy and

40:00

we're going to talk about some key takeaways from

40:02

our conversation and just some things that

40:04

you know, you guys could potentially learn from

40:07

it and implement into your own lives.

40:09

Well back in Brooklyn by way

40:11

of Bali, Taiwan,

40:14

Tokyo, Los Angeles,

40:17

and now we're back here with our son John Pierre.

40:20

We first started in Joshua Tree.

40:22

We were with Jeremy's family, and then

40:24

we figured since we were already in California,

40:26

we might as well head from California to Asia

40:28

because it's an easier flight than flying from New

40:30

York to Asia. So we flew from

40:33

Joshua Tree to Bali. We were in Bali

40:35

for a bit, and then we kind of got

40:37

the bug to keep exploring other parts

40:39

of Asia, so we went to Taiwan,

40:42

and then we went to Japan and we went to Tokyo

40:45

and Kyoto is how you say it, Yes,

40:47

Kyoto. We flew back from

40:49

Japan to La the

40:51

fire the wildfires hit basically

40:54

a couple days after we had gotten there, and we're

40:56

kind of settling in and anyways, now

40:58

we're back in New York unexpectedly, but we're

41:00

here.

41:01

Yeah, and we were supposed to

41:03

stay the entire month of January in Los Angeles.

41:06

So getting this into

41:09

the themes.

41:09

Of what you've talked about, like just life

41:11

hitting you with unexpected

41:13

things.

41:14

I mean, it hits so many people with unexpected

41:16

things.

41:17

All these people who I mean the Palisades

41:19

Los Angeles some of the most you know, successful

41:21

people and not just media

41:23

but in the country. And they've

41:25

worked so hard to build these lives for themselves

41:28

and you know, have houses and the

41:30

Palisades are beautiful. It's like right next to malb and Malibu

41:33

in same place to live. But now

41:35

their homes are gone and they've got they've got

41:37

to figure it out.

41:38

It's wild how your life can just change

41:41

in an instant, you know, like you can put

41:43

so much planning and preparation into one

41:45

thing and then before

41:47

you know it, those plans can be taken

41:49

away from you or just change.

41:51

However, I think with you, well, you know

41:53

things have happened to you. You've maintained

41:55

consistent, especially when

41:57

it comes to movement, and

42:00

no matter what, no matter what you've gone through, whether it

42:02

be injuries, whether it be job

42:05

situations, to make yourself

42:07

feel good and to reut,

42:09

you know, push yourself back in the right direction.

42:12

The first thing you've done is just get

42:15

outside, get running.

42:16

There's so much research that shows

42:18

how good like movement

42:21

is for your mind and of

42:23

course your body. And yeah,

42:25

going for a run was always something that got

42:28

my head, got my head on right. I definitely

42:30

believe in the power of movement, and

42:32

that's definitely something that I've always enjoyed

42:34

doing. But like we talked about

42:36

it earlier, I don't know if I really

42:39

double clicked into it. But for me, it was like

42:41

when lacrosse got taken away from me at such

42:43

a young age, and then I

42:45

spent most of my time like my form

42:47

of movement from that went really

42:49

into running. It was like running gave me so much

42:52

purpose, you know, and really helped me like collect

42:54

my thoughts and figure out who I

42:57

wanted to become, you know, because who

43:00

I thought I wanted to become was no longer

43:02

in the realm of possibility.

43:03

And I think the second thing there would be, Like you

43:05

just touched on the importance

43:07

of having purpose to

43:10

having goals that you can drive towards, right,

43:12

I think.

43:12

It's so important to set goals for yourself, But I

43:14

think it's also important to like, like what I did,

43:16

you know when I was younger like that, And this has happened

43:19

so many times throughout my life, Like sometimes

43:21

you need to figure out what

43:24

makes you feel good and what's a positive

43:26

habit to do that could eventually lead to

43:28

figuring out what your goals are, you know what I mean? Like

43:31

for me, it was like I reachore my asal for

43:33

the second time I felt helpless. I

43:36

started running in my free time, started

43:38

making me feel good. All of a sudden, I

43:41

started taking care of myself more, my

43:43

life started feeling more put together, and all of a

43:45

sudden I was able to figure

43:47

out new goals for myself and

43:49

new aspirations. You know.

43:51

Ever since I've known Kate, since the first night

43:54

I met her, she has always been

43:56

very specific with you know, what

43:58

she was driving towards at that time. The

44:01

night I met her, she talked about

44:03

how she was trying to graduate from school

44:05

early and was taking night classes

44:08

in addition to working and internship

44:10

at a marketing agency during the day, when

44:13

she had jobs that maybe weren't

44:15

you know, either paying her what you needed in

44:18

addition to weren't providing you that

44:20

purpose you

44:22

built, like your own side hustle, your own

44:24

you know, marketing consultancy,

44:27

when when you got fired.

44:29

Yeah. A common theme of my life, outside of movement

44:32

and outside of being consistent is like get

44:34

comfortable being uncomfortable. And that's something

44:36

that like my parents always kind of pushed onto

44:38

it onto us. And I would say, like for my brothers

44:41

they lived, they in their youth had

44:43

like a much more comfortable life, like I was constantly

44:45

thrown into like discomfort, you know, But at

44:47

the end of the day, it's like I grew so much from

44:49

being so uncomfortable, Like I would not be who

44:51

I am today if it wasn't for kind of like what

44:54

I experienced and like

44:56

grew through you've all didn't have.

44:58

This, no matter what your goal has changed, but you've

45:00

always had a goal.

45:02

I've always had a goal, yeah, whether it

45:04

was graduating early or you

45:06

know, getting an internship in the city. I do

45:08

think I always had a goal. And I'm somebody that's like such a

45:10

hard worker. If you guys were to watch my old

45:13

blog videos when I was like recovering from ACL

45:16

surgeries, I was like, such a hard oh. Like I've always

45:18

been such a hard oh. And I think it's like

45:20

it's one of my flaws a little bit.

45:21

She was like, she was like, Okay, on Tuesdays, every

45:24

Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday at

45:26

the school gets out at three thirty.

45:28

From three thirty to four thirty, I'm in

45:30

pt Then from four thirty to five thirty,

45:32

I'm icing. From five thirty to six,

45:35

I'm preparing for dinner.

45:37

Yeah, that was me. But

45:39

it was cute.

45:40

It was cute. It was cute. I was kind of like, oh, my goodness.

45:42

But it's cool seeing that stuff because like, I

45:45

feel like as we get older, we forget about

45:47

these core things, Like I feel like now

45:49

I'm twenty seven and I just now,

45:52

like, you know, within the past two years have started

45:54

to connect with my inner child

45:57

in a way and the things that have always

45:59

been a core of me. I think you

46:01

know that conversation alone was

46:03

really me with Jeremy reflecting

46:06

on my life. If you're somebody that's like struggling with purpose

46:08

right now, find one of your really good friends, unpack

46:11

your life with them, you know, walk them step

46:13

through step through step, like what you were

46:16

like at each age starting at twelve, like what

46:18

we just did, and that might help you like

46:20

figure out kind of what your purpose is.

46:22

And if you all have part of the run A gang, you're probably probably

46:24

already getting moving and you know the importance

46:26

of getting moving, but you can.

46:28

Always get moving more. And also you

46:31

can always find more purpose every.

46:33

Time I meet one of you guys, like whether it's at one

46:36

of the group events that I've hosted or just

46:38

out in public, Like I'm always so impressed

46:40

by you guys, Like you guys are such more impressed,

46:43

like way more impressive people than I am. You know, I'm always

46:45

like, oh my god, this is so cool that we've fostered

46:47

a community of such smart, active

46:49

women.

46:50

And men and men there are pretty it's

46:52

like thirty percent men at these events.

46:54

Absolutely, Yeah, there's always guys.

46:55

There, strong, strong, strong.

46:57

Smart men social like I don't

46:59

know, it's really cool.

47:06

So with that being said, how

47:09

are we moving forward?

47:10

Well, I guess a we're moving forward as closer

47:12

friends because you guys just learned like my deepest,

47:15

darkest secrets and everything about me, which

47:17

was kind of scary, but it's okay

47:19

because I'm comfortable with you guys. And second of

47:21

all, I think, like, if there's anything that you

47:23

can learn from my story that I will continue

47:25

to ingrain in you guys, it's that

47:27

the power of the pivot is so fucking real.

47:30

Something happens in your life and you have to redirect,

47:32

Like see that as

47:35

an opportunity, Like having

47:37

to redirect your life is not a failure,

47:39

It's an opportunity to

47:41

succeed in a different way. It's like, I

47:43

mean, I'm religious, so I would say it's God pushing

47:46

you in a different direction for a reason. And

47:48

then the second thing is the obvious.

47:51

But you know, Runner gang, let's be consistent

47:54

with our movement. Get that mind right this

47:56

year?

47:56

What specific what can we look for

47:58

you? Like, what what are you working on?

48:01

Well?

48:01

Having the conversation with you in Joshua

48:03

Tree definitely, like as we kind of said, got

48:05

me rethinking about my purpose and things that I

48:07

want to focus on. And I

48:10

think in twenty twenty five, one of the big

48:12

things that I want to focus on is like a not comparing

48:14

myself to other people, you know, and I really want

48:16

to be like living my true individual

48:19

like authentic self, and like showing up as that

48:21

person, because I think anytime we

48:23

try to be something that we're not, or

48:26

you know, force a square into a circle, which

48:28

I think happens a lot with social media, when we're constantly

48:30

comparing ourselves to other people, I think

48:33

that is when we fail. So I think, like the biggest

48:35

thing for me is like living my truth, showing

48:37

up as Kate Mackie, Kate

48:39

Max in every single.

48:41

Way, you know, changing

48:44

maybe changing my name.

48:45

Soon my name

48:47

will not change to you guys. But yeah,

48:50

there's a lot of things that I'm working on. Like I'm one of those

48:52

people like I think you learned from our

48:54

conversation we just had, Like I'm constantly

48:56

working on myself, Like I am the last

48:59

person that's going to say perfect, you know,

49:01

while I try to be so optimistic

49:03

and I do always see the glass half full, Like that

49:05

is something.

49:05

About critical on yourself.

49:07

I am critical on myself and like I'm constantly

49:10

challenging myself to be better, you know, and

49:12

that it's just living in this constant mode

49:14

of be comfortably being uncomfortable. Like

49:16

I think if I was too comfortable in life, I

49:19

wouldn't be happy because I enjoy a challenge,

49:21

you know, and I enjoy like getting better and like

49:24

learning more and listening to other people,

49:26

making more friends. Like so anyways,

49:28

that's one of the big things I'm working on, is like really

49:31

showing up as myself, especially to all of

49:33

you guys. The second is about

49:35

the shows, Like I just want to continue making

49:37

great content, like continue to become

49:41

an even better storyteller. I think one of

49:43

the things that I learned about myself is

49:45

that I love like

49:48

storytelling, and I love sitting down with people,

49:50

and I feel like I'm just at the

49:52

forefront of doing what I'm meant to be

49:54

doing. And who knows, maybe

49:57

that's just me being crazy

49:59

and too ambitious, but I really do believe

50:01

that my baby right now really

50:03

is getting the running interview show into

50:06

the long form format that we've been doing. If

50:08

you guys are listening or watching this right

50:11

now. I'd love for you guys to check out

50:13

the Gabby Thomas video that's, you know,

50:15

the one of the first that we've rolled out in

50:17

our long form. But I'm so

50:19

excited to be taking the Running interview show long

50:21

form this year, taking it to YouTube. I am

50:23

so excited because you guys don't realize, like

50:26

I have such long conversations

50:28

with every single person that I've run with, and

50:31

because of the nature of short form content, I have to

50:33

cut so much of that conversation out, and

50:35

the conversations are gold like the conversations

50:38

you have on the run with people, Like people are so vulnerable,

50:41

they open up so much, they say things that they

50:43

probably wouldn't in just a traditional sit down

50:45

podcast. And it's not like I'm getting tea on anybody.

50:48

That's like, not what I'm trying to say. But it's like people really

50:50

open up and get comfortable with you, and I

50:52

feel like I get to see people's true

50:55

authentic self in a way that a traditional

50:57

interview doesn't get to see.

50:58

Tying that in.

50:59

So you talk short so short form long form

51:01

and it's like we talk about short form brain versus

51:03

long form brain. And the way you need to

51:05

think, in the way you need to produce content for

51:08

a fifteen or ten minute plus video

51:10

or for a podcast is totally different. Yeah,

51:13

but what are your thoughts on that, well,

51:15

just short form in general, like TikTok, like you're

51:17

obviously it's it's been huge for you.

51:19

Yeah, I mean the past few weeks have been crazy

51:21

and I have no idea what's going to happen, guys, Like, it

51:23

was hard for me because TikTok is like what

51:27

brought me, guys, you and like helped

51:29

me connect with you guys, and TikTok

51:32

helped me find my voice, Like TikTok

51:34

helped me define my purpose in a lot

51:36

of ways. So when

51:39

I found out that and now knowing

51:41

that we could potentially lose, that was definitely

51:43

like a really emotional experience.

51:45

Like we bootstrapped this business on TikTok,

51:48

and of course I'm so blessed that we've been able

51:50

to translate onto different platforms

51:52

like Instagram and YouTube, and that

51:54

we've grown such a loyal audience and you

51:56

know, group of you guys and we've got this runner

51:59

gang. But but yeah, it was really

52:01

sad when I found out about the TikTok News.

52:03

It was a bummer, but I do have to say, like again,

52:06

glass have full girl. I'm like, when one

52:08

problem happens, I'm literally already onto

52:11

the next, the solution, and like working hard

52:13

at something else.

52:13

We're all in on YouTube.

52:14

We're all in on YouTube. We are all in on YouTube, and

52:16

this is the year that we're gonna make

52:19

YouTube our primary platform.

52:21

And in terms of short form brain versus long

52:23

form brain, I really love

52:26

long form brain. Like. I think it's just healthier

52:28

for our minds to be thinking in long form brain.

52:30

Like for a while, it's very hard for me to have

52:33

like sit down conversations like this, and

52:35

I think that was because I was filming so much content

52:38

thinking short form first, you know. But

52:41

long form is just giving me the opportunity to show

52:43

those longer conversations that we already have

52:45

on the run. So anyways,

52:48

I just want to show you guys more and I

52:50

hope you're just as excited as me about it,

52:52

because I think we're gonna have some

52:54

really fun runs in the future

52:56

and post run conversations.

52:58

And post run high And I did go.

53:00

For a run today. It's snowed to New York and

53:02

it's freezing outside, so I ran three miles

53:05

on the treadmill. It was fine.

53:07

I got through it. So take

53:10

this as you're signed to move your body today. And

53:13

thank you guys so much for listening. I know this was a ramble,

53:15

and I hope you guys enjoyed

53:18

learning about me. I promise we will do more

53:21

deep dive episodes like this in the future.

53:23

I am an open book, so seriously, if you guys

53:25

have any questions about me or anything that you want me to

53:27

talk about, whether it's like my business

53:29

or dive even deeper into my college internship

53:32

experience. I know I've gotten a lot of dms

53:34

about that as well. Like there's so many things

53:36

that we talked about today that I know I could double click

53:38

into for you guys, so please

53:40

let me know. My inbox

53:42

on Instagram is an open forum,

53:45

and the comment section on YouTube please

53:47

comment let us know there. Make sure

53:49

you guys subscribe to my YouTube channel

53:52

and follow me on TikTok and Instagram

53:54

at Kate Max. I love you guys so

53:56

much. Thanks for watching.

53:58

Later again,