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Jake Doolittle is a YouTubeer who has

29:17

made a lot of what I would

29:19

call both just regular slop and also

29:21

misogyny slop and he recently made a

29:24

video where he felt like it was

29:26

his place to talk about the only

29:28

fans model who slept with a hundred

29:31

men in a day. The content of

29:33

that video was so strange to watch

29:35

because it felt like he had just

29:37

enough credibility that his audience would still

29:40

view him as progressive, even though he

29:42

was literally saying things like, this is

29:44

just going to damage her in the

29:46

long run, and wow, it's really sad

29:49

that she says she doesn't see sex

29:51

as secret. And that was so confusing

29:53

to me to watch it and know

29:55

that like, this is somebody whose audience

29:58

does kind of think of him as

30:00

a male feminist, and just because he

30:02

said at the very end of his

30:04

video, and I do want understand sex

30:07

work is real work, now it's okay

30:09

to him that he made a video.

30:11

just talking badly about a sex worker

30:14

for like 45 minutes and that he's

30:16

making probably thousands of dollars on ad

30:18

cents from that because he knew it

30:20

was a catchy enough topic for people

30:23

to talk to click on. So speaking

30:25

of journalism and journalistic content, I would

30:27

say another sort of faction of this

30:29

massage-a-slop ecosystem is actually traditional journalists that

30:32

have now postured themselves as YouTube journalists.

30:34

These are usually entertainment journalists who use

30:36

interview clips or celebrity red carpet moments

30:38

that they've had to basically spin up.

30:41

of social media following for cloud. I

30:43

hesitate to even call these people journalists,

30:45

but really they're just getting a lot

30:47

of celebrity PR info fed directly to

30:50

them and they'll just repeat those narratives

30:52

on screen. Yeah, absolutely. And I think

30:54

that the people who have some kind

30:57

of background in actually having engaged with

30:59

celebrities in real life, I think. Those

31:01

are going to be the people who

31:03

are more likely to actually be on

31:06

some kind of PR payroll than the

31:08

slop or the gossip creators. I think

31:10

a lot of the other people are

31:12

following the algorithm, following the popular opinion.

31:15

I mean, I think the way it

31:17

usually works is that they get information

31:19

from celebrity combs teams or they use

31:21

their sources from their days in journalism

31:24

and they just kind of use that

31:26

to like regurgitate and weigh in on

31:28

moments of moments. celebrity interviews until they

31:30

just go back into the archives and

31:33

pull up and out of context clip

31:35

when someone's trending and be like look

31:37

at what this reveals and then proceed

31:40

to make like 40 more videos on

31:42

that topic. Okay, we have just two

31:44

more factions of the misogyny-slop ecosystem to

31:46

go through. So let's move on to

31:49

the true crime universe. True crime content

31:51

has exploded in recent years. According to

31:53

YouTube, between the years 2015 and 2019,

31:55

channels dedicated to true crime content were

31:58

among the fastest growing on the platform,

32:00

and 60% of views for true crime

32:02

content on YouTube were from female viewers.

32:04

The true crime universe... has long centered

32:07

on female victims of violence. And at

32:09

first, it doesn't really seem related to

32:11

the rest of the misogyny slop universe.

32:13

But I wanna talk about how this

32:16

endless stream of content about women being

32:18

victimized ultimately helps kind of undercut actual.

32:20

claims of abuse and wrongdoing by high-profile

32:23

women? Yeah, I think that there's a

32:25

lot of overlap between law tube and

32:27

true crime. I think it's not always

32:29

exactly the same people doing both, even

32:32

though it sometimes is. In a lot

32:34

of these categories, I'm thinking very gender

32:36

neutral. I'm thinking of both men and

32:38

women doing this, but I think specifically

32:41

of the kind of true crime creator

32:43

who will sit there and do their

32:45

makeup and tell you these really horrifying

32:47

murder details, and they're going to use

32:50

all of... these little ads since protecting

32:52

Cutesy euphemisms, they're going to say things

32:54

like, great, and they're not going to

32:57

feel any cognitive dissonance about what they're

32:59

doing or about stopping to be like,

33:01

and this is my contour that I

33:03

use. And I think that's... bad. There

33:06

are a lot of issues with true

33:08

crime and I think there are issues

33:10

that you can come at that are

33:12

not misogynistic in a way that is

33:15

necessarily sloppy, but that is misogynistic just

33:17

in terms of not being fully thought

33:19

out. So I think true crime just

33:21

leads to a lot of that cognitive

33:24

dissonance. Yeah, and I do think that

33:26

these people are interconnected, you know, if

33:28

you engage with T channels, And a

33:30

lot of true crime creators are right

33:33

wing in the sense that they produce

33:35

basically. propaganda pro-police content to an extreme

33:37

degree. They sell like personal security systems

33:40

and they engage a lot in that

33:42

sort of like law enforcement world. And

33:44

we've seen a lot of these true

33:46

crime people hop on and start to

33:49

commentate on these big celebrity cases or

33:51

suddenly talk about Megan Markle, you know,

33:53

how she's not really the victim of

33:55

stalking and harassment because a real victim

33:58

of stalking harassment would be XYZ. find

34:00

a way to top everyone in her

34:02

victim narrative. And the leaning on racism

34:04

is used as a silver bullet. The

34:07

second the race card is flashed, everyone

34:09

has to back off and validate the

34:11

feelings of the supposed victim of the

34:13

racism. And it seems like a lot

34:16

of the way that these true crime

34:18

creators talk about women is they'll sort

34:20

of only. deify them or speak positively

34:23

about them if they are dead. If

34:25

they are the victims, they're actually like

34:27

the dead victims. Then they'll sort of

34:29

lionize them. But any woman that's alive,

34:32

that's making assault claims or that's talking

34:34

about crimes that have been committed against

34:36

her, they'll just cast a lot of

34:38

doubt on. Yeah, Princess Weeks, a YouTubeer

34:41

who I really, really admire, she made

34:43

a video during like the height of

34:45

the Amber Heard smear campaign, and one

34:47

of the points that was made in

34:50

that video was like about a woman,

34:52

people think if she can breathe, she

34:54

can lie. And I think about that

34:56

all the time, I think that's so

34:59

relevant to the true crime conversation. The

35:01

final part of the sort of misogyny

35:03

slop ecosystem, and I hesitate to even

35:06

put them fully in, they're sort of

35:08

like at the edge on the corner,

35:10

but they're definitely part of it, is

35:12

the react guys on YouTube. These are

35:15

basically male commentators that react to breaking

35:17

news, events, vague stories. They'll dip their

35:19

toes into covering a lot of these

35:21

misogynistic hate campaigns against high-profile women, usually

35:24

pretty... poorly. They cover these smear campaigns,

35:26

not because they're inherently interested in the

35:28

dynamics of the cases or the attacks

35:30

against the women, but it's because they'll

35:33

pretty much hop on anything that's trending

35:35

and offer their uninformed take. Can I

35:37

just say one thing about, because somebody

35:39

brought it up to me yesterday, they're

35:42

like, you know, every once in a

35:44

while you got a hand at to

35:46

Trump, because he is the funniest, he

35:49

is the funniest guy, right? Because somebody

35:51

asked him about Johnny Deep and Amber

35:53

and Amber Her. That's the best line

35:55

for that situation there is right? Honestly,

35:58

he's that's the only guy I've heard

36:00

who has like what I think is

36:02

the correct viewpoint that they're like that

36:04

they're both probably awful. Yeah. I was

36:07

just like guessing here. That's pretty Obvious

36:09

to me, but I hear you. These

36:11

men, and especially a lot of the

36:13

leftist men, they dehumanize these female victims

36:16

in cases because they're rich or privileged.

36:18

And many of these men actually traffic

36:20

in their own brand of misogyny. Yeah,

36:23

I think there is a lot of

36:25

that impulse to distill things with, you

36:27

know, people use the phrase white women

36:29

tears a lot to refer to Blake

36:32

Lively and Amber Herd. And white women

36:34

tears was never just a white woman

36:36

crying, and especially not like, like, you

36:38

know, you know, Amber Heard's case it

36:41

was a white woman crying over being

36:43

sexually assaulted and we haven't even seen

36:45

Blake Lively cry so I don't understand

36:47

why they keep saying white women tears

36:50

about Blake Lively. Having just enough progressive

36:52

talking points in what you say for

36:54

your audience to assume that you are

36:56

being progressive about, you know that it

36:59

sounds like you're still right if you're

37:01

talking badly about a woman but you

37:03

say white first. You know that that

37:06

sounds like you're not being a misogynist.

37:08

like leftist men saying the most misogynistic

37:10

stuff alive, but putting the word white

37:12

in front of women and thinking it's

37:15

okay. Especially a lot of these leftist

37:17

podcasters, commentators online, they have leftist politics

37:19

when it comes to labor specifically, and

37:21

they're usually pretty good on economic issues,

37:24

but they're atrocious on anything to do

37:26

with women, and they very quickly feed

37:28

into misogynistic stereotypes. They often have audiences

37:30

of a lot of young men, actually,

37:33

and so they're not really offering thoughtful

37:35

commentary. and they dehumanize a lot of

37:37

these rich wealthy women. Again, we can

37:39

critique Blake Lively for having her wedding

37:42

on a plantation or whatever. That does

37:44

not mean that she deserves to be

37:46

sexually assaulted or harassed at the workplace.

37:49

I think what's so insidious about all

37:51

of this is that this entire misogyny

37:53

slop ecosystem, as we've been talking about,

37:55

reads as inherently apolitical or even progressive

37:58

and liberal, but what this whole group

38:00

of creators and these. that feed them

38:02

are doing is ultimately feeding people into

38:04

the right wing media machine. And right

38:07

wing creators have been able to really

38:09

exploit this and hack the algorithms to

38:11

effectively hop on these hate campaigns against

38:13

women and do a lot of audience

38:16

capture. So I want to talk about

38:18

how, you know, this slop is inherently

38:20

right wing and how covering this stuff

38:22

in this specific way, this anti-women way

38:25

is inherently right wing. Because I think

38:27

a lot of people, they're like, well,

38:29

I'm not right wing, right? I'm

38:31

a good liberal. I saw literally

38:33

a woman affiliated with betches of

38:36

theoretically like democratic liberal like media

38:38

company also participating in these hate

38:40

campaigns, right? These people don't think

38:42

of themselves as inherently conservative. Click

38:44

bait, right? And it ultimately does

38:46

lead people down the right wing

38:48

pipeline. Yeah, I think so too.

38:50

I think there is, you know,

38:52

I mean, I don't think that

38:54

Blake Lively is lying, but I

38:56

think even if Blake Lively was

38:58

lying, deciding to devote your time

39:01

to talking about how a woman

39:03

with claims of sexual harassment is

39:05

lying is not an a-political thing.

39:07

You are still deciding what you

39:09

are elevating, what you are focusing

39:11

on, what conversations you're saying are

39:13

actually worth worrying about. And so

39:15

I think, you know, it is,

39:17

it feels so conservative for your

39:19

opinion to be this woman is

39:21

lying because yeah, suppression of victims,

39:24

especially of in Blake Lively's case,

39:26

somebody who's coming forward about a

39:28

labor issue, about sexual harassment at

39:30

a labor issue, that's a Republican talking

39:32

point. And I just think we need

39:34

to be really clear that that's

39:36

what these misogyny slap content creators

39:38

are doing. They are aligning themselves

39:41

with the Megan Kelly's, the Candice

39:43

Owens, etc. because it is very

39:45

clear where those people stand on

39:47

these high-profile campaigns against women. Yeah,

39:49

I completely agree. I think with

39:51

Megan Kelly in specific, you know,

39:53

Justin Baldoni's lawyer, Brian Friedman, he

39:55

essentially started his whole press tour

39:57

against Blake Lively on the Megan

39:59

Kelly show. And far be it from

40:01

me to say that Megan Kelly wouldn't

40:03

just do massage any campaigns on her

40:06

show without any personal connection, but I

40:08

do think it's very relevant that this

40:10

lawyer also represented Megan Kelly. Yeah, and

40:12

you also have right-wing media companies like

40:14

the Daily Wire that spent tens of

40:17

thousands of dollars boosting anti-amber hurt content

40:19

across their networks. And even in the

40:21

female talent that's recently left the Daily

40:23

Wire, you have Brett Cooper, who's the

40:26

sort of conservative it girl that just

40:28

recently launched out on her own on

40:30

YouTube, the second episode of her brand

40:32

new YouTube show. All she talks about

40:35

is Blake Lively. It's an entire Blake

40:37

Lively smear episode, basically. Of course, that

40:39

episode attracted an enormous amount of attention.

40:41

It was getting recommended alongside a lot

40:44

of this T-channel content. You subscribe to

40:46

her channel and what are you getting

40:48

two episodes later? A video saying that

40:50

it's time to abolish the Department of

40:53

Education. That's like the most on its

40:55

face that I think it's been yet.

40:57

That is, that's wild. Well, you also

40:59

have, I mean, Candace Owens, too, right?

41:02

I just wrote about Candace Owens actually

41:04

launching a new women's media company. And,

41:06

you know, I talked to Candace about

41:08

how popular this pop culture style of

41:11

content is. She said that she's leaning

41:13

further into covering these trials against women,

41:15

like the Blake Lively stuff. This is

41:17

a way for these people to get

41:19

a lot of attention, right? Like, women

41:22

listen to this stuff. And they're like,

41:24

Well, I don't normally agree with, you

41:26

know, Candace, but wow, she's really making

41:28

sense. If click bait was an amendment,

41:31

this is it. Okay, I just I

41:33

cannot believe it. And there's so much

41:35

more going on here. Now we really

41:37

see the target of everything, I think,

41:40

really the linchpin for her lawsuit, the

41:42

person that she went after, we have

41:44

to discuss Isabella Ferrer, all that coming

41:46

up right now on Candace. They'll be

41:49

like, screw Blake Live, we've that entitled,

41:51

you know what, you know, and then

41:53

again, they start watching her videos, and

41:55

then they're suddenly being fed stuff about

41:58

how the... not just that the people

42:00

who are like ostensibly progressive are outright

42:02

linking out to these things sometimes the

42:04

people do know better sometimes they don't

42:07

some of them are actually citing Candace

42:09

Owens but some of them won't cite

42:11

Candace Owens but they'll say Candace Owens

42:13

as talking points anyway they're pushing the

42:16

idea that this is all because Justin

42:18

Baldoni and Blake Lively had an affair

42:20

and that this is because Ryan Reynolds

42:22

is jealous or whatever and my understanding

42:25

is that that was her take on

42:27

that. It was, yeah, exactly. I think

42:29

Candace Owens and a lot of these

42:31

right-wing creators, they actually develop a lot

42:33

of the narratives, the hateful narratives around

42:36

these women. And sometimes they get cited

42:38

directly on the T-channels or by the

42:40

Lawtubers, but as you said, a lot

42:42

of times it's just sort of regurgitated

42:45

right-wing talking points that are regurgitated to

42:47

this normy or progressive or liberal audience,

42:49

and then they encounter some of these

42:51

clips from right-wing creators, Yeah, yeah, I

42:54

think they think that they are surprised

42:56

that they agree with Candace Owens, but

42:58

what they actually need to be surprised

43:00

by is that Candace Owens picked out

43:03

the things that they believe for them.

43:05

There's been so much talk to since

43:07

the recent election about the Manosphere online

43:09

and how men are radicalized through, you

43:12

know, watching normy content about like MMA

43:14

or gym or workout content or like

43:16

fishing content, right? And then they're led

43:18

down this like right wing rabbit hole.

43:21

I think that the misogyny slop ecosystem

43:23

is that for women. I think that

43:25

it is basically this ecosystem of content

43:27

that's celebrity news adjacent, where maybe you're

43:30

a woman that loves gossip, entertainment, reality

43:32

TV, beauty, content, you start to watch

43:34

some of these T channels, like you

43:36

said, a makeup, you know, tutorial that's

43:39

talking about true crime, and suddenly you're

43:41

right down this rabbit hole, right? Right,

43:43

and a lot of people will get

43:45

kind of frustrated with me when I

43:47

point this out, because a lot of

43:50

my content I do sort of like

43:52

swing a baseball bat, that they're a

43:54

feminist and they're not and people will

43:56

get mad at me and they'll say

43:59

well you know like Why are you

44:01

saying that? And it's like, because I'm

44:03

actually looking at what they're making. I'm

44:05

actually noticing what they're asking me to

44:08

believe, and I'm noticing that it is

44:10

completely contrary to my values. Yeah, and

44:12

we just need to recognize that entertainment-focused

44:14

content, especially covering these high-profile smear campaigns

44:17

against women, this is audience capture. All

44:19

they're trying to do, all these right-wing

44:21

people are trying to do, all anybody

44:23

really covering this stuff 24-7 is trying

44:26

to do, is ride the wave. And

44:28

so many of these accounts too very

44:30

quickly pivot to other things as soon

44:32

as it's done. As soon as this

44:35

Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni thing is over,

44:37

you know, they'll pivot to covering the

44:39

next thing. It's just about getting those

44:41

clicks and eyeballs and then monetizing them.

44:44

And I think what's also important about

44:46

the audience capture is that I think

44:48

it kind of works both ways, because

44:50

like you said, they'll move on to

44:53

the next thing, but it's not that

44:55

just any next thing that they move

44:57

on to will still have that whole

44:59

audience that they just amassed. They have

45:01

to be making the right kind of

45:04

thing. If they go from being really

45:06

like anti-woman in a way that their

45:08

audience loves to taking a woman's side

45:10

in their next video, they're going to

45:13

get eaten up in the comments. Right,

45:15

exactly. You have to kind of keep

45:17

the anti-woman train going, right? Like if

45:19

there is a woman, you have to

45:22

be against her because now you've fed

45:24

into these narratives and you've fed into

45:26

this anti-woman belief system. And I feel

45:28

like you're also being made more likely

45:31

to engage with this kind of content

45:33

when even if you are deciding not

45:35

to click on it, if it's just

45:37

coming into your feed over and over

45:40

again and you've seen... eight different channels

45:42

that you're subscribed to make videos about

45:44

Blake Lively. If you didn't care about

45:46

Blake Lively a month ago, but you

45:49

keep seeing her and getting annoyed at

45:51

not wanting to watch these videos that

45:53

are all over your home page, suddenly

45:55

you are just much more willing to

45:58

watch a video about how annoying this

46:00

woman is because you're tired of her

46:02

all of a sudden. And they did

46:04

that to you. I always question when

46:07

people say a woman is quote unquote

46:09

annoying, especially a high profile woman or

46:11

woman in the public eye. I think

46:13

of this headline that I read recently

46:15

in the Hollywood reporter that read Blake

46:18

Lively and Justin Baldoni marched toward mutually

46:20

assured destruction. And. People were quoting this

46:22

and they were like, yes, shut up.

46:24

This whole thing, she's so annoying. Why

46:27

does she keep this going? Never mind

46:29

that Justin Baldoni is literally the one

46:31

that's keeping this going. He is the

46:33

one that is drip, drip, dripping more

46:36

information out to the press. He's the

46:38

one that set up an entire website

46:40

dedicated to like leaking information about Blake

46:42

to prove his case. But I think

46:45

people see these nonstop thumbnails of Blake,

46:47

they see this nonstop coverage of her

46:49

and people like to think that women

46:51

are annoying. They're like, God, I'm sick

46:54

of her. I don't care about her.

46:56

Why do I suddenly have to see

46:58

so much content about her? And they

47:00

blame her as if she's the one

47:03

that keeps things going. Absolutely, because when

47:05

I saw that she was asking for

47:07

a gag order on Justin Baldoni's lawyer,

47:09

the thing I kept seeing was people

47:12

saying, wow, she's being so hypocritical and

47:14

it's like, no, she just said the

47:16

one thing. She has had her article

47:18

in the New York Times and people

47:21

are saying that that is somehow suspicious

47:23

of her, that she came out once

47:25

and that she doesn't want to keep

47:27

doing it. But if she kept doing

47:29

it, they would say, hey, why isn't

47:32

she shutting up? respond during all of

47:34

these, like you said, the drip, drip,

47:36

drip, drip where Brian Friedman is having

47:38

his Fox News press tour. Obviously we're

47:41

talking for the purpose of this episode

47:43

against these like high-profile campaigns against celebrity

47:45

women, like the Megan Markles, the you

47:47

know, the Amber herds, the Blake livelies,

47:50

but I feel like I deal with

47:52

this all the time too as journalists,

47:54

like female journalists obviously are subject to

47:56

these same sorts of dynamics in campaigns,

47:59

but... I had somebody on Twitter recently

48:01

talking about how like, God, Taylor's such

48:03

a narcissistic, you know, B, whatever, she

48:05

sucks and she can't help, but she's

48:08

always putting herself in her. She's such

48:10

a narcissist. She puts herself in her

48:12

stories. Mind you, I have never once

48:14

put myself in my stories. Like, I

48:17

was physically assaulted and a man was

48:19

arrested for assaulting me while I was

48:21

covering Charlottesville. You can go back and

48:23

read my story, read my reporting from

48:26

Charlottesville. You would never know that. I've

48:28

never even mentioned the word I in

48:30

my stories. But there's this narrative of

48:32

like, God, she won't shut up about

48:35

herself. And it's like, no, Tucker Carlson

48:37

won't shut up about me. All of

48:39

these right wing weirdos won't shut up

48:41

about me. I'm not even talking about

48:43

myself. It's people kind of like hearing

48:46

a woman's name over and over again

48:48

and assuming she's the attention horror. She's

48:50

the one that wants it. Why can't

48:52

she stay out of the press and

48:55

just shut up, right? Yeah, I think

48:57

there's also like there are like studies

48:59

about how a woman can talk like

49:01

30% as much as men in a

49:04

room and then the men will perceive

49:06

that women were talking twice as much

49:08

as everybody else. I think that that's

49:10

just a known thing though that like

49:13

people have no gauge on whether or

49:15

not the thing they believe they believe

49:17

about a woman is true. or based

49:19

on anything, or if they just accepted

49:22

it when somebody told them that they

49:24

hated her. I think it's so hard

49:26

because we're all sort of conditioned to

49:28

hate women or dislike them or find

49:31

them annoying, right? Like there is this

49:33

inherent massaging to our culture that it's

49:35

really hard to combat. And I see

49:37

content creators such as yourself and others,

49:40

especially on Twitter, especially on Twitter, try

49:42

to fact, especially on Twitter, try to

49:44

fact-check these narratives in real time or

49:46

try to make YouTube videos and Tik's

49:49

and Instagram reels like correcting some of

49:51

this. It's sort of this labor of

49:53

love, but it gets suppressed. And meanwhile,

49:55

anti-feminist content is repackaged endlessly and monetized

49:57

across platforms. It all feels like such

50:00

a losing battle sometimes. Yeah, I sometimes

50:02

say that when I make a video

50:04

kind of like taking up for a

50:06

woman during a redemption campaign against her

50:09

abuse of X or whatever, I say

50:11

that I am shoveling during a snowstorm.

50:13

Like, I know that I'm not actually

50:15

going to change what the overwhelming dominant

50:18

narrative is, but I do know that

50:20

in the middle of the depth versus

50:22

her defamation trial in 2022, I watched

50:24

videos by Princess Weeks and by Legion

50:27

Miller where they took the stance of

50:29

supporting and defending Amber Hurd in the

50:31

middle of everything at the time when

50:33

that was like such a controversial opinion

50:36

to be making. Inhumanely attacked every day

50:38

on a global scale. And there are

50:40

so many people who I noticed were

50:42

positively covering Amber at that time. You

50:45

were one of them. Cat Tenbard was

50:47

one of them. Michael Hobbs was one

50:49

of them. And those are people who

50:51

I have like such permanent goodwill towards

50:54

just in like the rest of anything

50:56

else that I see that they've done

50:58

because I'm like, oh. I trust that

51:00

we were concerned about the same things

51:03

when it was very obvious that this

51:05

was a thing to be concerned about.

51:07

So I think even though there is

51:09

like we are fighting against the algorithm,

51:11

but also I do think that there

51:14

are enough creators who have amassed audiences

51:16

that care about that like it's almost

51:18

a matter of linking together and like

51:20

sending people to videos that you know

51:23

are good and trying to encourage people

51:25

not to just watch whatever comes across

51:27

the algorithm. I just I hope that

51:29

more people especially people that consider themselves

51:32

liberals or progressives or just not super

51:34

right-wing anti-women can stop and think about

51:36

why am I consuming this content and

51:38

that's not to say that you have

51:41

to like stand these rich celebrity women

51:43

or love them or support them you

51:45

can absolutely critique them for all of

51:47

the other evil shit that they've done,

51:50

while recognizing that there is this misogyny

51:52

slop ecosystem that prays on your attention,

51:54

that the goal is to basically do

51:56

audience capture for the right and be

51:59

smarter about. your own media consumption and

52:01

be smarter about feeding into these narratives

52:03

and hopping on the train. Like that's

52:05

how mainstream this stuff becomes and you

52:08

need people like you said to like

52:10

just take a beat and be like

52:12

wait a minute. Let's not go down

52:14

this road because this is a really

52:17

dark road and ultimately it leads to

52:19

people like Holocaust deniers extreme right wing

52:21

people like that that who that's who

52:23

ends up with the audience growth at

52:25

the end of the and we sort

52:28

of we understand that with men like

52:30

we understand how MMA content or other

52:32

sort of like bro comedian podcasters we

52:34

understand that pipeline, but This is the

52:37

pipeline for women and I feel like

52:39

it's just not being talked about. I

52:41

do think that like the misogyny gossip

52:43

slop, like that is, that is, exactly,

52:46

it's the lady version of the alt-right

52:48

pipeline. Well, thank you for the work

52:50

that you've done to get people out

52:52

of it. Thank you. Such a fan

52:55

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53:01

much for joining me today. Thank you

53:04

so much for having me. This is

53:06

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