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Science. Hello and welcome

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to Probably Science. I

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am Andy Wood. I

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am Jesse Case. I'm

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Matt Kirchen. We are

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I am Andy Wood.

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I am Christmas Eve. We

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are recording on Christmas

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Eve. Christmas Eve, no less,

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parts of the in different

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parts of the country all of

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us and we have a get

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a returning guest guest. Comedian, someone I work

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with on the on the Jim hilarious comic

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and also former also former marine Check

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out the first episode we did

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with our guests where he talked

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about all his work with talked about all

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his work with I'm pretty sure it's It

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My memory is shot over the

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last few years sure it was how

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are you forest? wasn't it? I'm pretty sure it

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It was manatees my the way. is shot

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what I thought I'm pretty

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sure years. us stories of

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Shore, how are you are in Hello,

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I'm their way Manatees, by the, through

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various drainage. channels and getting getting

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stuck be rescued. be rescued. no manatee No

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we sex. We didn't talk about

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that that. Did Did we not talk? I

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don't know. it? We I don't know, we might have done. We must.

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It was a wh- I do know it

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was a while back because

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we recorded recorded pre-covid in in Andy's old West

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Hollywood apartments. So So, yeah, that

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dates it. Oh, that's before manatees

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were having sex sex. So we wouldn't

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know yeah, have have they really

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changed have really changed over COVID? just recently

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become total they've just recently famously never

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had sex with each other Manatees

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famously That's why they were endangered

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other no big recently. how they

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fix that. They're good. Yeah, they

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have to build a new

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manatee how how they would do it

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before So what is the what is the story with

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manatee sex what is the deal is

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that deal? I I there's

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not not much to

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it. It's it's, well, okay, so when

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we well observe so when

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we would observe manatee would

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do manatee surveys etc. we would

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have we would have to

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put down whatever behavior they were

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doing, whether they were sleeping, eating,

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etc. And if they were, if

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they were going at it, it

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was called cavorting, which I always

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thought. That's like, that's a very

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sort of, tabloid, or yeah, like,

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or like 1950's euphemism. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So on our, on all

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the official, you know. surveys, they,

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uh, you'd write, coverting. Like, you'd

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see, like, a herd of manatees,

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covert. Now, here's the thing, though.

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Almost all of those incidences of

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courting are one female, and about

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seven men, and what we would

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call rape, I would say, probably

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would be, like, what was going

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on. I don't think the woman

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was into it. The female manatee

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was not into it. She would

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often, like, you know, they'd often,

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like, like, like, beached themselves, not

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like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, permit just

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to get out of the way,

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like we'll go up on a

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boat ramp and just get out

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of the way, take a break

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and stuff. I don't think it

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was fun. Maybe it was, I

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don't, you know what, I don't

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want to put myself in the

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shoes of the female manatee, but

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the shoes, the flippers. But yeah,

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I always thought that was funny.

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I'm like, oh look, they're cavorting

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that interview where there's like a.

3:20

bird noises in the background he's

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like in the jungle and he's

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just like all nature is suffering

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and rape the birds are screaming

3:28

like he's just it's brutal man

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and i want to believe that

3:32

there's some enjoyment there we got

3:34

it but it yeah i didn't

3:36

know the manatees were so uh...

3:39

you know i didn't know uh...

3:41

i didn't know that was it's

3:43

it's interesting like when you imagine

3:45

you imagine the manatee you imagine

3:47

a very chill yeah friendly stoner

3:49

animal like I yeah yeah it's

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a stoner animal exactly it's not

3:53

it's like you have like your

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classic like woodland tea time animals

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and then you have your like

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oh she stoner animals. Yeah, well,

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and I mean, well, two things.

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If I talked about this on

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the first podcast over many years

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ago, sorry, but there's, I think

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it's more, they're just very simple

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animals, you know, like, if, I

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don't know, if you've seen a

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manatee's brain, I don't know, anyone

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would here, but we've, you know,

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I've seen plenty of them before.

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And it's not impossible given our

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listenership. There is. There's definitely a

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fair, there's a fair chance that

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at least a couple of our

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listeners have seen Amanity Brain at

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one time or another. Probably not

4:36

to your volume, but... It's smooth.

4:38

It's very smooth. It's a... Wow.

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They're very simple animals, you know,

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they really don't have any predators

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other than the cold would be

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a natural predator and... Sudoku. Man,

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man has become a predator, you

4:50

know, inadvertently, and not like we're,

4:52

some, some of them are haunted

4:55

in some countries, you know, some

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species, but, uh, but here, they

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don't really have much to offer

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in the way of hunting either.

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I can't, I can't, I can't

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imagine, I can't imagine that manatee

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parts are... coveted for their virility

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producing. But they have a lot

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of meat on them and some

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some some people supposedly there was

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one there was I'll get back

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to the sex thing in a

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second but supposedly there was a

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there there not supposedly I wasn't

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working at my job at this

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time I worked for the Dade

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County's environmental department in Miami that's

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where I worked and and there

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was a manity that was found

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Dead carved up like almost as

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if a butcher had done it

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and taken out certain parts of

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it and supposedly certain parts of

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the manatee tastes like you know

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how they always say it tastes

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like chicken or tastes like one

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parts taste like beef the other

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one tastes like pork so there's

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that's the that's the word on

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the street so Because manatees are

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also nicknamed C cows right there

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are also I remember we I

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can't remember we I can't remember

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which order we podcasted him but

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in fairly short succession we podcasted

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with you and John Ozalay and

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we worked out that you're basically

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land and sea counterparts of each

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other because his his PhD was

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on cows yeah but manatees are

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more closely related to elephants they're

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not really descended from cows is

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there a sky cow Like, you

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know, there's the cow of the

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sea, sure, then there's the cow

6:30

cow. Is there like, uh, just

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a ridiculous bag of meat flying

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animals? And then a fire cow,

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I guess, would complete the elemental

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cows? Yeah, for the full element.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then Captain

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Planet cow shows up when they

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all... When they all combine. Yeah,

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maybe a pelican is kind of

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chunky, but it's not big enough,

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you know, so, you know, so.

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Yeah. Very interesting. I mean, maybe

6:55

a pink a penguin, but it

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can't fly. Yeah, we got we

6:59

got to get on. Yeah. Listeners,

7:01

if you've got any insight into

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this right into us, if you

7:06

if you know which one it

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is and mark your envelope air

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cow. Hmm. I thought I was

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sky cow. Yeah, sky cow. My

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apologies. Yes. So you're you're hanging

7:16

out in Miami dade. You've become

7:18

like, you know, you sort of

7:20

you wake up. I imagine your

7:22

life. Just it's just the Dexter

7:25

intro so you wake up you

7:27

You press your own OJ and

7:29

use a French press it was

7:31

a he had an aggressive morning

7:33

routine to get through those credits

7:35

And then you're heading down to

7:37

the environmental office and you find

7:39

that a manatee has been predator-tude

7:41

and You guys have to get

7:44

to the bottom of it what

7:46

led you to the what did

7:48

it happen backwards like? Did you

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get the gig and then they're

7:52

like you're our manatee guy or

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were you already manatee guy? Well

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there um so I worked for

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Miami-AIDS Department of Environmental Resources management

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which is a mouthful so it's

8:03

just dermedy. And I worked in

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a section there that we dealt

8:07

mostly with. We did a lot

8:09

of work in water quality for

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Biscayne Bay and all the tributaries

8:13

like so you know Everglades and

8:15

things like that. And then we

8:17

would also do monitoring seagrass communities

8:19

and coral reef communities, specifically ones

8:22

where that might be affected by

8:24

construction or they're borrowing. They always

8:26

said they would borrow sand from

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the ocean and put it on

8:30

the beach and Miami Beach to

8:32

make the beach as nice, which

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always thought was a funny term,

8:36

but it's accurate. But in that

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department was manatee protection for Miami-Dade

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County and my boss's boss, she

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was the head of our, not

8:45

the department, but I forget if

8:47

it was like, you know, it's

8:49

like genus species, it was like

8:51

section, whatever, it doesn't, no one

8:53

cares about that. She used to

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be... But she was a manatee.

8:57

She was a landmante. She was

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in charge of, she was basically

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the one that was in charge

9:04

of overseeing the Mante protection for

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Miami County as far as at

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the county level. But she didn't

9:10

really have time to do that.

9:12

And I just showed an interest

9:14

in it. I would just, when

9:16

I would see manatees out there,

9:19

I would, I would. put it

9:21

into the database that we'd have,

9:23

like where they were, what they

9:25

were doing. If there was a

9:27

dead manatee, I would help, I'd

9:29

help respond to it a couple

9:31

times with the state, because the

9:33

state is always the ones that

9:35

would perform the necropsies and determine

9:38

the causes of death and also

9:40

have the carcass. And then you

9:42

stand over it shouting, oh, the

9:44

manatee? So anyways, I just she

9:46

just said do you want to

9:48

take over this, you know, like

9:50

for my me day county, you

9:52

don't want to be the lead

9:55

the point person for anything mandatory

9:57

related. And I said, yeah, of

9:59

course, it'd be awesome. So I

10:01

just that's how it happened. And

10:03

then I'm then I was like

10:05

imposter syndrome after that. I'm like

10:07

at meetings. giving speeches and talking

10:09

about data in my account. I'm

10:11

like, do I know this? But

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I did, you know, I just

10:16

in the end, but I just

10:18

didn't feel like it. But yeah,

10:20

and we, the fun, the best

10:22

part was we would do surveys,

10:24

quarterly surveys, and you're doing from

10:26

the air on helicopters, and we'd

10:28

fly with the police. We'd, you

10:30

know, we'd, we'd, we'd pay them

10:33

whatever it cost for the pilot

10:35

and the gas and all that

10:37

stuff, but we'd fly around with

10:39

the. the cops my midday cops

10:41

and count manatees and so that's

10:43

pretty awesome I was like my

10:45

job did you ever like have

10:47

to divert like you're counting manatees

10:49

but then you they see like

10:52

a drug deal happening and they're

10:54

sorry we have to we have

10:56

to like take care of this

10:58

first I was gonna say a

11:00

hundred times but I mean conservatively

11:02

40 times probably have done that

11:04

so we went on car chases

11:06

active shooters Oh wow, so like

11:08

you're up in the air to

11:11

count manatees and then suddenly you're

11:13

in a die-hard. The manatee has

11:15

a gun and then suddenly everything.

11:17

Yeah. There's this guy, Cal, we

11:19

gotta take it. Yeah, there is

11:21

a... No, I mean, obviously any

11:23

police... You know, any activity they

11:25

had to deal with took precedent,

11:27

you know? Like, it wasn't, we

11:30

can't be like, sorry, there's an

11:32

active shooter. We're counting manatees. Like,

11:34

we gotta like. Well, you might

11:36

have an active shooter. We have

11:38

inactive manatees right now. But I

11:40

mean, you said you paid them

11:42

for the pilot and the gas.

11:44

So I feel like if you're

11:46

up there and they see something.

11:49

Yeah, they'd switch off. They'd switch

11:51

off. We would just write the

11:53

time down and you know there's

11:55

a calculation they would do for

11:57

the gas and the fuel and

11:59

stuff so But like I will

12:01

tell you this like if you're

12:03

being chased by the cops and

12:05

you're in a car You know

12:08

in a situation. There's a there's

12:10

a helicopter The couple of times

12:12

I saw someone get away was

12:14

they they went to a mall

12:16

And they got out of the

12:18

car and ran into the mall

12:20

and then they in the police

12:22

were fucked Are we allowed? I'm

12:24

just like posting about like nuclear

12:27

secrets online is this podcast gonna

12:29

get redacted? We've told people the

12:31

one trick cops don't want you

12:33

to know Well, I will say,

12:35

a couple times people did that

12:37

and they did get caught. It's

12:39

not 100%. Oh, oh, because it's

12:41

because they blended. See, I thought

12:43

it's because like the the mall

12:46

security, it's their jurisdiction. You're like,

12:48

no, you can't. As long as

12:50

you open the door to Westfield,

12:52

you can't, you can't, you can't,

12:54

as long as you reach the

12:56

fountain, you'll see. It's like in

12:58

the movies when the FBI comes

13:00

in, but it's the mall security,

13:03

like, we got it for here

13:05

guys. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's not

13:07

100% full-proof, just I don't want

13:09

anyone to like, you know, get

13:11

caught by the cops and then

13:13

call, you know, call me up

13:15

and be like, fuck you, I

13:17

thought this thing, you know, but,

13:19

uh, you fuck Manatee, boy, you

13:22

promise. All right, you're under arrest,

13:24

you get one phone call for

13:26

a shaw, what's his phone number?

13:28

Normally you don't get, there wasn't

13:30

really an air sickness thing, or

13:32

it's because it's a weird sensation

13:34

if you've been in a helicopter,

13:36

it's a weird motion. But when

13:38

they're looking for someone, or they're

13:41

like honest, on a like a

13:43

person like Vintris, it's like tight,

13:45

just going around and around and

13:47

you're just like, it's like, it's

13:49

rough, but yeah, it's all for

13:51

science guys. It's weird. I think

13:53

I'm never gonna, I think I've

13:55

gotten this long. and I don't

13:57

think it's going to become a

14:00

necessity. and pretty risk I'm

14:02

pretty but those but are, things are. go

14:04

Those things go down a lot more

14:06

than tell you this, all the I will tell

14:08

you this, with were, they had we flew

14:11

with where they had different levels of

14:13

certification were, were, it's like it's like

14:15

A, it's et cetera, but they were

14:17

all were all A. plus certification. Most of

14:19

them had Most of had like flown in wars

14:21

or they'd flown all the planes they

14:23

then then all different types of

14:26

helicopters and stuff and they

14:28

were very accomplished pilots. and And you

14:30

could tell when you're with

14:32

them with them just it's one of those

14:34

things is once you do

14:36

it over and over over and you

14:38

see how a person person is is

14:40

doing their job then you go go to Las

14:43

Vegas I'm at currently with your mom and she wants to go

14:45

she wants to go to we Canyon so

14:47

we went in one of the helicopters to

14:49

the Grand Canyon the the guy that was

14:51

flying with us, you know, I I don't

14:53

know to fly a helicopter but in but in

14:55

Floon Hundreds of times sitting right next to

14:57

the pilot and I I was looking at this

14:59

guy flying the one to the the like,

15:01

oh, I don't think was like oh good think this

15:03

guy's very good at all like just just again I again, I

15:05

don't know anything flying hell I just know what

15:07

you're supposed to be, you know what

15:09

it's supposed to look like and to look like and

15:11

I was like, yeah, and he was like,

15:13

yeah job is I'm know just my first real

15:15

job is I'm gonna go down the and

15:18

work for like the whatever like some think thing

15:20

Or whatever. So I don't think this

15:22

guy's done a lot of flight time time this

15:24

is him is him getting his hours. so we do

15:26

the flight we go back we the flight we

15:28

go back we live here here and

15:30

then two weeks later I shit you're not

15:32

not not saying it was that pilot

15:34

But that same outfit ran into

15:36

the wall in the Grand Canyon and

15:38

killed everybody in wall in the Grand Canyon killed

15:41

Yeah, so Holy shit So I'm again You know, I'm I'm

15:43

not advocating for you you not to find a It's

15:45

the same thing as the mall Same thing

15:47

guys. as the mall I'm not telling you not

15:49

to do it, but I'm telling you not

15:51

not to do But I'm telling I just did

15:53

to do it. I just I just did my probably a into the

15:55

Twilight Zone movie Zone movie For some reason, for

15:57

some so often I need to go I need

15:59

to go reread it everything about that because it's

16:01

just so bizarre and awful and... Where'd

16:03

you stand on the conspiracy theory or

16:06

the theory that Spielberg was there and

16:08

got squirreled away? I mean that seems

16:10

like probably what would have happened. Yeah

16:13

I know it ended his relationship with

16:15

John Landis but yeah I was just

16:17

driving by I'd never actually been right

16:20

past the place where they did it

16:22

but we were just I just got

16:24

back from this little tour and it's

16:27

right around the corner from Valencia there

16:29

we drove past the area and I

16:31

was googling it because it was this

16:34

location that was used for tons of

16:36

80s things back when 80s action TV

16:38

was a thing like MacGyver and stuff

16:41

you wanted to have one 600 acre

16:43

location that could pass for a jungle

16:45

desert whatever and that's what they were

16:47

doing that and it was a former

16:50

Vietnam But yeah that thing was crazy

16:52

and all the court battles afterwards and

16:54

all the things that weren't done correctly

16:57

production wise. Yeah I think I think

16:59

that um I think if you want

17:01

to fly in a helicopter you want

17:04

to be with a pilot somewhere in

17:06

the middle ground where they're not new

17:08

but they're not really experienced. I think

17:11

you want to get the ones that

17:13

are really experienced like I can do

17:15

anything you know I think that was

17:18

the Kobe one too. The Kobe crash

17:20

that guy was very experienced, but I

17:22

think he was like, well, I can

17:24

fly. I know it was really. Superfog.

17:27

Yeah, it was really bad weather conditions.

17:29

Yeah, I think he was like, I

17:31

got this. I was, you know, well,

17:34

again, I know nothing about that crash.

17:36

I just, that's what I'm assuming. Because

17:38

it was very experienced. Yeah, well, that's

17:41

no, I have the same. Do I

17:43

actually know this or do if I

17:45

just assumed this about the JFK crash?

17:48

He knew that and it was just

17:50

like an angry like all right everyone

17:52

in the fucking play let's fucking go

17:55

like it was just like that kind

17:57

of like He's flying angry, flying at

17:59

night, he's not instrument rated. And I

18:02

guess when you're doing that, there's no

18:04

lights on the horizon to guide yourself

18:06

by. So you could be in a

18:08

bank heading into the ocean, but feel

18:11

like you're upright because all forces are

18:13

pushing down into your seat, you know?

18:15

Yeah, wow. Anyways. or he was like

18:18

he was in the plane but I

18:20

think they were in the middle of

18:22

again this is like just I haven't

18:25

done enough googling to the thing that

18:27

I got in my head that I'm

18:29

just gonna repeat as if it's true

18:32

is that they were you know in

18:34

that sort of steely angry silence of

18:36

a couple who's going through some shit

18:39

and he just wants to get to

18:41

bought this vineyard someone got them there

18:43

late so now they're taking off as

18:46

the sun's going down which I don't

18:48

the kid planned to do but I

18:50

think there was like I just think

18:52

he was flying angry. So he maybe

18:55

made choices he wouldn't have because you

18:57

shouldn't. I just wonder how that gets

18:59

out like, you know, like if there's

19:02

just an air traffic control log. We're

19:04

coming in zero nine or my wife

19:06

sucked the guy's dick over. Well, I

19:09

could start googling it, I guess, but

19:11

I just have this picture in my

19:13

head that I've created that came from

19:16

some rumor that seems logical to me.

19:18

Sure. Sure. I think RFK now. He's

19:20

the one that... He doesn't have any

19:23

evidence, but he knows somehow. Man. Wow.

19:25

Well, you know, this is a fun

19:27

podcast. Obviously we're having a fun podcast.

19:29

But Forrest, you're starting up a podcast

19:32

of your own. Presumably that you started

19:34

after your Vegas trip with your mom.

19:36

Tell us all about it. What's going

19:39

on here? That's my sloppy segue. Yeah,

19:41

I mean, and also, was that the

19:43

segue to try and make this, like,

19:46

less dark? Because it's not going to

19:48

happen. No, no, not all. No, no,

19:50

no, go, go full dark. No, I

19:53

was just, uh, no. Yeah, the podcast

19:55

is about addiction. So it's not going

19:57

to be any cheerier. So it's not

20:00

going to be like, and rainbows. It's

20:02

a, I've done, you know, I'm a

20:04

comedian. So I've done many, many podcasts.

20:07

There's a lot of many comedians. I

20:09

used to a podcast with Jim Jeffries

20:11

for years, called I don't know about

20:13

that. And I've done, Dave Williamson, the

20:16

Merman, whatever. But this is the first

20:18

one I'm doing on my own. It's

20:20

called I've got a problem. and it's

20:23

about addiction. I'm a gambling addict. Okay.

20:25

And I have been in and out

20:27

of GA, Gamler's Anonymous. Gosh, how long?

20:30

Like 20 years. I've had long periods

20:32

of periods of sobriety. It's always weird

20:34

to say sobriety with gambling, you know,

20:37

it's like, comes sober. Like with an

20:39

action instead of like a physical substance?

20:41

Like, yeah. Yeah, it's like we don't

20:44

need to peel you away from the

20:46

blackjack table and put you in a

20:48

shower for a bit. So it's just

20:51

sort of shopping you up. We need

20:53

coffee in a shower. But, uh... Well,

20:55

I could gamble and go right on

20:57

stage, no problem. Don't worry about that.

21:00

It's like, it's... You can gamble on

21:02

empty stomach. Yeah, I'm very tough. Yeah,

21:04

sometimes on stage I'm sort of like

21:07

gambling, you know, like I'll stop to

21:09

gamble, you know, like... to like or

21:11

to the crowd or like I'll make

21:14

everybody gamble like it's not going well

21:16

I mean let's all gamble together you

21:18

know you can I mean with draft

21:21

kings on your phone you can't easily

21:23

do that now let's put in a

21:25

bet oh yeah that's gonna that's not

21:28

gonna be great for that community huh

21:30

for when you say it's not going

21:32

to be great it already isn't great

21:35

it's well that's that's that's what I

21:37

mean but that's that's got to be

21:39

very hard for because like with me

21:41

it's it's like a you know I've

21:44

got more I'd say physical substance you

21:46

know self Medicaid type stuff which which

21:48

I'm doing well with and everything but

21:51

like holidays are hard When like when's

21:53

the tough time? When's the when's the

21:55

known trigger time for for people in

21:58

GA? When was like. Or does it

22:00

depend on what your specific? I guess

22:02

it would advice within gambling is. I

22:05

mean, yeah, some people don't sports gamble.

22:07

Some people do everything. The casino, sports

22:09

still do, you know, like. just card

22:12

rooms, play poker, they'll just gamble on

22:14

bullshit with people, they'll do scratches, you

22:16

know, at the gas station. Sure. Right,

22:18

used to be a drill method. Yeah,

22:21

yeah. So there's no, I don't know,

22:23

if you're a sports gambler, it doesn't

22:25

matter now, there's always something going on.

22:28

The Super Bowl is obviously massive, because

22:30

they have these prop bets. So it

22:32

used to be, when the Super Bowl

22:35

come around, you could either get from

22:37

your book. I don't know if you've

22:39

seen it's like a 30 page like

22:42

dossier of all the prop bets. I

22:44

don't know if you're familiar with those.

22:46

It's so it'd be right. I've been

22:49

in I've been in Vegas actually a

22:51

couple of times just coincidentally when the

22:53

Super Bowl happened to be doing a

22:56

week in Vegas overlapping the Super Bowl

22:58

more than months. I was with you

23:00

one time we watched the game in

23:02

Jim's. at the same time and you

23:05

were obviously down there for that to

23:07

open. Yeah, yeah. And so you can

23:09

gamble on like heads or tails, the

23:12

coin flip, or how long is the

23:14

national anthem going to be? Sure. Or

23:16

like what color would the gator be

23:19

that they dump over the winning coach

23:21

and stuff like that? Who's going to

23:23

score the first touchdown? Not even who's

23:26

going to score the first touchdown? Will

23:28

it be where their jersey number be

23:30

between zero and 10, 11 and 20,

23:33

20, when he went like that's what

23:35

a proper bet if... A prop bet

23:37

is a bet on something that doesn't

23:40

significantly affect the outcome of the game,

23:42

right? Like so not specifically scoring, but

23:44

more like quirks of the game. It

23:46

can be literally, can literally

23:49

be anything and

23:51

that used to be

23:53

And that used to

23:56

be like the it used

23:58

to be get the the

24:00

Super Bowl's here, we now

24:03

that's what bet, and And

24:05

now and all this

24:07

and stuff is and

24:10

fan duel and all this and stuff

24:12

that every day

24:14

for every game. Like

24:17

literally, every game game that is like,

24:19

like, you know, the Washington Wizards against

24:21

the Orlando their game. magic,

24:23

really going to give really a shit about

24:25

like a shit about. have have going to score

24:27

over score over on this. How many steals

24:29

is this guy going to get steals is

24:31

you know, gonna get will you so it's like

24:33

that. And not only that, it's live that

24:35

and So once the game starts, you

24:38

still have time to put in bets.

24:40

It's not over. still You can bet to put

24:42

in bets the game over you can bet

24:44

the like in will change or the

24:46

the will change or stuff. So

24:48

it's crazy so it's crazy to it too

24:50

in your phone. mean, I mean, look, drugs

24:52

and and alcohol, I'm not

24:54

saying that those those are those are easy to

24:56

overcome, either addictions, but you can't

24:58

just like tilt a phone over

25:00

and get and out of it,

25:02

you know? out of it, So, mean, maybe

25:05

there should be a phone like

25:07

that, actually. And like that actually. The flask phone,

25:09

how's it not being added? case that is

25:11

a flask, I'm sure. case that is a

25:13

flask, I'm sure. Oh, that it doesn't,

25:15

it can't remotely it itself.

25:17

remotely repress itself. you you can't just keep

25:19

putting it. So it's definitely a

25:21

problem, and then I don't

25:23

know if you've then I don't

25:26

know if you've social media, it's

25:28

a lot on TikTok, but, uh,

25:30

there'll be some, well, they'll

25:32

just just... the the they have these tickets these

25:34

tickets a it'll be like a

25:36

person dollars and they hit all they hit

25:39

all of this 10 10 you know,

25:41

like 10, 10 this one bed combined

25:43

in this one the that makes

25:45

the odds like exponentially higher

25:47

and higher and they won they won ,000

25:49

off 25 or whatever. And people

25:52

are like, wow, that's awesome. And

25:54

it's like awesome subversive advertisement that

25:56

advertisement that doing ESBN is doing like those

25:58

are all like best. stories effectively in

26:00

cahoots with the with the gambling companies

26:03

who are who are sponsors -owners with

26:05

these with these companies companies mean not

26:07

even mean not like they're it it's like

26:09

they're real but they're not

26:11

showing you real but of other tickets

26:13

that mountain of other that's always been

26:15

the case with loose. I mean

26:17

well yeah always most the case with with

26:20

pretty much the most basic simple

26:22

random chance betting that there

26:24

is and the most easily random

26:26

chance betting that there is and the you can't

26:28

wait if you don't play, buddy. Right,

26:30

exactly. exactly. 100% what it is. what it is.

26:33

if there's there's there's one that's

26:35

worked out extraordinarily well,

26:37

it's gambling odds and

26:39

payouts from the side

26:41

of the people who

26:43

run the from the side of

26:45

the people who run ESPN, the, the

26:47

ESPN, which, you You know, it's

26:49

still a sports information

26:52

company at its heart its own own

26:54

gambling app now. app now. Oh

26:56

wow. So so you can get the think

26:58

I think it's called Bet or ESPN bet

27:00

Bet, one of the And so And so while you're

27:02

watching, like you used to just watch,

27:04

like, you know, human interest stories on

27:06

there with some scores and stuff. Now

27:08

it's like also, like, on there with just scores

27:10

at the bottom, like a ticker tape

27:12

for the for the stock market, but

27:14

it's all gambling, like at the and things

27:16

that came in. And, you

27:18

know, it's but it's all gambling like over

27:21

unders and And I've seen

27:23

that increasingly. and you know, it's insane. Oddly

27:25

would I I can never remember remember

27:27

rules are because, are again, nowadays

27:29

because of of the ease of ease of

27:31

access. it's I'll watch sports stuff from

27:33

watch sports stuff from multiple different

27:35

countries. Sometimes, you know, you just

27:37

be watching something and be oh,

27:39

I can I can watch stuff

27:41

in the UK oh I can I can through

27:43

in the through used through BBC through VPN blah blah blah

27:45

blah. But you know, you you can

27:48

easily access sporting broadcast from other

27:50

countries. And and and sometimes there will

27:52

be be like live odds updating throughout the

27:54

game. And, you know, be like be

27:56

like and be like, all right,

27:58

we're going to take a break. a

28:00

quick look at the odds right

28:02

now now, the we, the, the, the, and, and effectively encouraging me

28:04

to bet on the second half

28:06

of the half of the, the match. Oh,

28:08

every sporting event you have now, basketball, football, have that,

28:10

they used to just pick the teams, but to

28:12

just pick the teams but now

28:14

they're doing Charles like Charles give you

28:16

like, give you like prop bets I

28:19

think you should bet on on.

28:21

the game setting the NBA and and and they'll

28:23

do the over under do

28:25

the live betting on stuff the over

28:27

like just the part of

28:29

the stuff it's it's like just a part of

28:31

the culture now. So when what I'm

28:34

curious about is like is

28:36

like when the addict when gambling

28:38

addiction takes hold, takes hold

28:40

I mean, I all addiction

28:42

is is very I guess whether it's

28:44

you know, it doesn't matter. matter it doesn't

28:46

matter. I mean, it's like food addiction

28:48

or what I'm or I'm saying that I'm

28:51

not I'm saying that it There's a there's a

28:53

a reaction happens in your brain Where it's

28:55

it's flooded with this extreme amount

28:57

of dopamine you're like i want to

28:59

keep feeling I i don't want this

29:01

to stop this feeling to stop to

29:03

stop this i'm going to keep this

29:06

going gonna keep that on the win or

29:08

is that during the game like

29:10

when there's the chance because it's more

29:12

of a chance? it's not just like

29:14

take this i'm high just like take this

29:16

I'm high. It's a It's an interesting one know,

29:19

it's it's during it's the action. Okay,

29:21

got it. It's always the action. the

29:23

It's not. It's the

29:25

action action the lead up to

29:27

the action, the winds are, the winds

29:30

are winds are fleeting over time

29:32

in time, in like one

29:34

gambling session, let's say, the

29:37

winds become meaningless. Okay.

29:39

Like, like, I've done all sorts of

29:41

done all sorts of gambling, the, but like

29:43

if you are, the if you are, The

29:46

lead where you're gonna get cash

29:48

out. out. And and you're sitting down and

29:50

you're buying some chips at a casino, chips

29:52

that's fun. You like that. You But it's the

29:54

action of, of, you know, putting it down and

29:56

waiting to see those cards being turned over.

29:59

That's where That's where the... where the the

30:01

lies. lies. Once you win, it's great.

30:03

It's great for It's great for

30:05

0.00, you know, know infinites. like

30:07

yeah I won like, yeah, I want,

30:09

go next not even like

30:12

go. You're it the anticipation But

30:14

is sort of nervous anticipation

30:16

of that of nervous anticipation

30:18

of that feeling that

30:21

is fleeting? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's, It's,

30:23

it's, it's way different than alcohol or

30:25

drugs that way that way it's not like not

30:27

it is still prolonged because you're in

30:29

that action. If you're sitting at a

30:31

table and sitting you're doing, you're at

30:33

a blackjack table. It's not like up,

30:35

down, up, down, up, down. It's, you're

30:37

in the action not like up, up, up, at the

30:40

down. You're in the but I'm just telling you,

30:42

I've table gambling. know, I've had times where

30:44

I've come home times where I've come home

30:46

with. I've come home with two to three times

30:48

what I would earn in a year, year. when

30:50

I was a I was a right? right?

30:53

Right. of dollars. of

30:55

dollars. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. For

30:58

some groceries, let's say. let's say. But I

31:00

and that having that money, that cash,

31:02

and it wasn't satisfying. that That was just

31:04

the fuel for me to be

31:06

able to go out and gamble

31:08

again. It was like the same

31:10

way you would be the same way

31:12

same way you'd be a bag was

31:14

like a kilo of cocaine. You

31:16

wouldn't be like, a kilo of cocaine you Awesome.

31:18

You'd be like, like wow I've got a kilo no

31:20

use to me until I start be it

31:22

up and getting it prepped up, you

31:24

know, and me ready to start chopping it up

31:26

interesting. Yeah. to do and so that yeah. there are like

31:28

I I don't know if this stretches

31:30

to the point of to the but I

31:32

think I think it might be I friend

31:34

of ours. be like a I'm not going

31:37

to name him yet, but I think

31:39

he's writing a book about it. So

31:41

he is about to be very public

31:43

about book a comic it his about to be very public

31:45

about it he's a comic and his his years was breaking

31:47

it. for like sneaking into events. Oh, yeah,

31:49

I know this events Yeah, exactly. into I think he's

31:51

this is being more and more open about it now.

31:53

And he's about to write a more and a book.

31:55

So I think when he does, we'll have him

31:57

on the show and he'll be more about it. it

31:59

but And he's done, again, like, when we

32:02

talk about sneaking into events, he's done

32:04

like every major music artist you can

32:06

think of, he's done multiple Super Bowls,

32:08

NBA Grand Finals, and the like, but

32:10

he's, he's, I've talked to him about

32:12

it a bunch, and he has at

32:14

times, snuck into the event, then left

32:16

and snuck in a different way, because

32:18

again, it's not about watching a Super

32:21

Bowl for free, it's about the experience

32:23

of doing it, the thing, the thrill,

32:25

the thrill. And by the way, I

32:27

don't want to... I mean, I've sat

32:29

in lots of gamblers and onomous rooms

32:31

and listen to people talk and almost

32:33

everybody, if not everybody, is, would agree

32:35

with what I just said, but I

32:37

don't want to speak for everybody. Oh,

32:39

of course. No, I'm not. I'm not

32:42

asking you as an ambassador. I just

32:44

mean you, like you personally, you know.

32:46

Yeah. But that's the running theme that

32:48

I gather from... the people that I

32:50

it probably has something to do with

32:52

the fact that psychologically loss to you

32:54

compare an equivalent loss and a win

32:56

the loss hurts more than the wind

32:58

feels good right so the wind you're

33:01

just gonna kind of like bake into

33:03

like that's the new normal yeah but

33:05

then the loss is devastated winning a

33:07

thousand dollars does not feel as good

33:09

as losing a thousand dollars feels bad

33:11

and And you're punishing yourself. And that's

33:13

what that's what addicts want to do

33:15

in the end is, and again, like

33:17

that's what a lot of that is.

33:19

So you're you're you're doing, you're drinking

33:22

to excess not because it feels good

33:24

at a certain point. It's because you

33:26

want to punish yourself. It's like if

33:28

you don't wake up with a with

33:30

a splitting headache and a hangover, what

33:32

did you even do last night? You

33:34

know you didn't even drink. Yeah. Like

33:36

sure. So there'll be nights where like.

33:38

like a slot machine or something like

33:41

that and you're just sitting there ding

33:43

ding ding ding hitting it and time

33:45

just escapes you and you're there for

33:47

six hours there'll be times like where

33:49

you have all this cash in your

33:51

pocket and you could just go to

33:53

bed and you're like no I don't

33:55

want to do that I'd rather just

33:57

lose all of this money and not

33:59

be saying this but this is what

34:02

your brain is doing you know and

34:04

that way when I wake up in

34:06

the morning I'm gonna feel like a

34:08

piece of shit which is what I

34:10

am and that's right that mindset of

34:12

that addict you know where you're like

34:14

I'm not worthy of XYZ so why

34:16

should I feel good about anything you

34:18

know Tell us about the new podcast.

34:21

What was the... People bet on how

34:23

long each episode will be. It's very

34:25

counterproductive. It's going to cause a lot

34:27

of problems. I'm starting an app when

34:29

you can gamble. It's called Manity Bet.

34:31

No, the... It's basically... It's a podcast

34:33

just about addiction and it doesn't have

34:35

to be just about gambling addiction. can

34:37

be about any addiction that exists. I

34:39

talk a little bit at the top

34:42

just about my week generally because in

34:44

the end this is I want people

34:46

to listen to this podcast that think

34:48

it will be interesting and helpful to

34:50

them but it's really I'm doing it

34:52

to be like a cathartic thing for

34:54

myself so I'm just gonna talk openly

34:56

and honestly about my week and anything

34:58

that came up about. my addiction. You

35:01

know, maybe nothing did, but I can

35:03

still talk about something or maybe I'll

35:05

talk about an old story. And then

35:07

I have on a guest. I have

35:09

I'm right now I've had on comedians

35:11

it's not going to be all comedians

35:13

but as we all know I could

35:15

literally only have comedians on and I'd

35:17

have an endless list of people with

35:19

addictions and comedians until the end of

35:22

time so. What is it about this

35:24

job where for a brief amounts of

35:26

time every night we have endless adoration

35:28

of dopamine tap and then for the

35:30

remaining 23 hours of a day we

35:32

don't like what the the somehow attracts

35:34

addicts. Strange strange strange But I'm going

35:36

to have a dealer on, a Vegas

35:38

dealer on, and talk to people that

35:40

aren't addicts, but are around addicts too.

35:43

And those interviews are usually about... Just

35:45

to be clear. You mean a car

35:47

dealer or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

35:49

sorry, a car dealer. Yeah, it could

35:51

be anything in Vegas, true. Yeah, yeah,

35:53

yeah, like, add someone at a casino

35:55

that like deals blackjack or poker or

35:57

something, but those people are just like,

35:59

also bartenders, like same kind of concept

36:02

that I also want to have people

36:04

on that aren't necessarily addicts, but are

36:06

around addicts and have different perspectives on

36:08

what they see. I'm sure every night

36:10

or two watching someone just destroy themselves

36:12

at a blackjack table where you're like

36:14

oh he could walk away right now

36:16

and he would have made a couple

36:18

thousand dollars have a great night and

36:20

no he's gonna stay here for three

36:23

more hours and ruin his life and

36:25

I'm gonna keep helping him and like

36:27

uh yeah yeah and I think I

36:29

mean I've talked to so many dealers

36:31

I've dated a dealer before you know

36:33

like that's the you spend so much

36:35

time in case he knows that you're

36:37

and there's Some of them like will

36:39

completely just remove themselves from what the

36:42

situation is and just robotically deal cards.

36:44

Other ones, whenever you see one that

36:46

has like sympathy for them, you're not

36:48

going to last along here. You better

36:50

like, oh, like they really feel it

36:52

for you. It's like, I've told dealers

36:54

that before where I'm losing money. and

36:56

they're like upset for me. I'm like,

36:58

it's okay. Don't take this on. This

37:00

is none of your concern. Yeah. So

37:03

anyways, I'll have that interview and then

37:05

at the end I'll have, and it's

37:07

gonna be. humorous and comedic you know

37:09

but at the end I'll use the

37:11

couple ones that I've recorded there's been

37:13

kind of a I don't want to

37:15

say sincere is a right word but

37:17

like just kind of real talk at

37:19

the end just for a few minutes

37:22

because the reason I started this podcast

37:24

was one for myself I think this

37:26

is cathartic helpful exercise for myself but

37:28

also I talk a lot about gambling

37:30

addiction on stage and I have had

37:32

people reach out to me via social

37:34

media and tell me like hey I

37:36

Have a gambling problem. My wife left

37:38

me. I'd... have a job anymore because

37:40

this whatever can I talk to you

37:43

and I'll talk to them I'll just

37:45

start talking to complete strangers and I'll

37:47

tell them the things that helped me

37:49

and what I think they should do

37:51

I'm not going to tell anyone what

37:53

they have to do and like first

37:55

and foremost your wife's a whore okay

37:57

and now like Yeah, right, right, right.

37:59

Yeah, you just got, you just got

38:01

to get, like, trust me, what, the

38:04

right horse just has to come up

38:06

and then you're just gonna be back

38:08

on top. Yeah, just gonna be, you're

38:10

just gonna be back on top. Yeah,

38:12

just gonna be. You're bad on the

38:14

wrong. Wait for the Super Bowl, a

38:16

lot of prop bets. Anyway, so I

38:18

just was like, well, let's, let's clearly

38:20

just people that people that enjoy, not

38:23

enjoy, not enjoy, not enjoy, not enjoy,

38:25

but like, not enjoy, but like, like,

38:27

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:29

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:31

like, like, like, like, like, like, saying

38:33

that, saying that, saying that, like, saying

38:35

that, like, like, saying that, like, like,

38:37

saying that, like, like, like, like, like,

38:39

like, like, like, saying that, like, like,

38:41

like It made me feel like, not

38:44

comfortable, but like, and not even seen,

38:46

but just like they, it made him

38:48

feel good listening to it because it

38:50

was like... like therapeutic for them or

38:52

something, you know? So I was like,

38:54

let's start doing this. And here's the

38:56

last thing is, I go to a

38:58

couple different GA rooms, and one of

39:00

them that's the closest is in Glendale,

39:03

and it's a lot of older Armenian

39:05

men, and they don't like if you're

39:07

funny, and they don't like if you're

39:09

funny, or there's a lot of older

39:11

Armenian men, and they don't like if

39:13

you're funny, I'm not going to, like

39:15

I said, be disrespectful or, you know,

39:17

but I still think humor is important.

39:19

Hey, what a, come on. And little

39:21

bug chastise me and I'm like, they're

39:24

like, this is in a comedy club.

39:26

I'm like, yeah, I'm not. And I

39:28

was like, why can't we laugh about

39:30

it? I'm not going to, I'm not

39:32

going to, like I said, be disrespectful

39:34

or, you know, but I still think

39:36

humor is important in healing. from people

39:38

who have gone to LA area AA

39:40

meetings that there can be a bit

39:43

too much of the like this is

39:45

obviously a cop. I'm just working on

39:47

stuff that he's going to do on

39:49

stage later. I'm just saying that if

39:51

I think if I was in A.

39:53

That would piss me off if it

39:55

was clearly here's a person who is

39:57

getting additional stage time in the form

39:59

of therapy in front of us. Yeah,

40:01

no, I don't doing like that. I

40:04

just did just something and the somebody

40:06

will laugh because you just say like

40:08

just because the way you mean just

40:10

because the way you talk, you know,

40:12

yeah, I think both like Mosa Kasha

40:14

in his. book when he was talking

40:16

about addiction and also I think Doug

40:18

Stan hope did as well because his

40:20

he in his first book he talked

40:23

about how his mom dragged him around

40:25

as kids to a load of A.A.

40:27

meetings and both of them said there

40:29

are sort of micro celebrities within the

40:31

A.A. world and people who give really

40:33

good testimonies yes no a hundred like

40:35

when ever someone says oh yeah yeah

40:37

surely is a good one like he

40:39

crushes I mean, I never heard stand-up

40:41

talk about that, but I have only

40:44

been the one AA meeting, like I

40:46

took a friend there that needed to

40:48

go, so I told him I'd sit

40:50

there with them, you know. But GA

40:52

is way smaller, like the rooms are

40:54

smaller, there's a lot less people, even

40:56

though there's tons of gambling addicts out

40:58

there. It's just not one of those

41:00

addictions where people are like, hey, you

41:02

vomit on yourself at Thanksgiving again, you're

41:05

gonna have to go, you know, like,

41:07

like, like, this less people being forced

41:09

people being forced in there's being forced

41:11

in there. There is definitely that like

41:13

where because so everybody shares and the

41:15

meetings I go everybody shares every meeting

41:17

instead of like one or two people

41:19

talking because there's less people and so

41:21

there's there's always a person we are

41:24

like okay same story again here we

41:26

get Like, oh, this guy's been doing

41:28

the same material for like five years,

41:30

getting a new bit. Yeah, and I

41:32

don't think that's help, I know someone

41:34

might be like, well, you're shitting on

41:36

somebody now. Yeah, I don't think that

41:38

that is helpful to you. I think

41:40

you have to come with something, that

41:42

you have to share something in those

41:45

meetings and be real. You can't just

41:47

tell the same story over. over

41:49

and over again.

41:51

Otherwise you're not you're not

41:53

progressing. You're, you're you're you

41:55

know you're just setting

41:57

yourself up for

41:59

failure, you know. for failure

42:01

you know so yeah I'm

42:04

perfect. well the podcasting just so we

42:06

could because it's podcast by

42:08

so we could, because

42:10

it's about, by

42:12

the time this episode

42:14

comes out, it'll

42:16

be dropping the first dropping the

42:18

first do what would they look out for would they

42:20

look out for? Where do they

42:23

find it? Have you already got

42:25

the stuff I've got a problem problem I've

42:27

got a problem. And it'll be

42:29

on, you know, on, you know, all all the, all

42:31

be on, you know, the Apple

42:34

and Spotify be on, you know, the, the

42:36

Apple and Spotify and, uh, I ones that

42:38

what but it'll be, heart if

42:40

it isn't like all you listen

42:42

to podcasts, then write to

42:44

me that are sent up, but any

42:46

of my social media and

42:48

tell me what the you isn't

42:50

it on this very obscure

42:52

platform? to me, and I'll put it on

42:54

put it on there. Just

42:56

let me me know. So, yeah. Very cool.

42:58

Hey, well, uh, you know, you know,

43:00

one thing that, uh, you

43:02

know one thing do tend do tend

43:04

to do quite a bit is... Oh,

43:06

what's that? that? Is insults and swearing,

43:08

and I'm, I'm, this is

43:11

a clunky, a clunky ass

43:13

segue, but listen, Elizabeth Powell

43:15

sent in this

43:17

story from New

43:20

Scientist New Scientist, and,

43:22

uh... We'll try, I we'll try, I

43:24

will, I will track down the

43:26

link to link to it. but

43:28

But has has, very no one's

43:30

done this for us before. This

43:33

is, uh, this because new scientists

43:35

is often behind a often behind a firewall,

43:37

oh, Paywall has sent in a in

43:39

of the article and

43:41

also because it's a

43:43

long article article, good bits

43:46

the relevant bit. Interesting. you, you,

43:48

for doing, for making

43:50

us. us... Even lazier than

43:52

we normally are. are. This is

43:54

what they would call enabling,

43:57

I believe, enabling I believe in 12-step. It

43:59

is very much. Yeah. Shame on you actually

44:01

Elizabeth, shame on you! But the

44:03

survival of the wittiest could wordplay

44:05

have boosted human evolution. There's a

44:08

column barrister story in New Scientists.

44:10

We will never know who spoke

44:12

the first sentence or what they

44:14

said, but we can have some

44:17

fun speculating. Perhaps it came out

44:19

of the mouth of a Stone

44:21

Age man who would hope to

44:24

defeat a rival and win the

44:26

affections of a young woman. This

44:28

is a Colin Colin. He might

44:30

have sidled up to his love

44:33

interest and while furtively pointing at

44:35

his competitor, whisper gently in her

44:37

ear, something that translates into English

44:39

as shithead. Ridiculous? Not if you

44:42

were guided by the research of

44:44

linguist, uh... Lijuana Progovac. She points

44:46

out that a lot of Charles

44:48

Darwin described languages half art, half

44:51

instinct, most people who study its

44:53

evolution have neglected the creative element.

44:55

Her research starts to address that

44:57

by homing in on the wordplay

45:00

involved in compound phrases such as

45:02

shithead, skin flint, and lily livid,

45:04

many of which have written a

45:06

single words today. These she believes

45:09

are linguistic fossils that hinted at

45:11

a crucial stage in language evolution.

45:13

The moment when humans realized... Well,

45:16

I'm doing a story about language

45:18

and I cannot read today. This

45:20

is... When humans realize they could

45:22

string two words together to create

45:25

very short sentences. What's more, after

45:27

gathering examples of such phrases, Progovac

45:29

noticed they have something surprising in

45:31

common. They are usually derogatory, she

45:34

says, and there could be a

45:36

good evolutionary reason for that too.

45:38

Intrigingly... By the way, thank you

45:40

Elizabeth. We're skipping three paragraphs here.

45:43

We all link to the full

45:45

story if you want to, but

45:47

I'm jumping straight to the bit

45:49

that has been highlighted next. Intrigingly,

45:52

many of these phrases are combinations

45:54

that have their origins in a

45:56

noun and a verb just to

45:59

post produce a creative put-down. Think

46:01

kill joy, busy body, scatterbrain, and

46:03

arse liquor. This is also the

46:05

case in non-English languages. For example,

46:08

Serbian... versions include, this is going

46:10

to be a horrible pronunciation, but

46:12

Podgekurik, which translates literally as sing-dick,

46:14

meaning womanizer, and jebi feta, which

46:17

is fuckwind, meaning Charlotten. Because of

46:19

this, Progavak suspects that prehistoric humans

46:21

first began combining words into short

46:23

sentences, at least partly to insult

46:26

one another. Sin-dick

46:28

means womanizer? Sing, sing-dick, like

46:30

singing. Sin-dick is better, that's

46:33

a better term. Sin-dick is

46:35

better, but like, I guess,

46:38

I guess someone who's, whose

46:40

penis has the gift of

46:42

the gab. Yeah. Who's dicked

46:45

the bloody stone? I like

46:47

Fuckwind! Fuckwind is pretty great

46:49

too. Yeah, I'm... Yeah, Charlottetid

46:52

is a Fuckwind! That kind

46:54

of, yeah, I like it.

46:56

Yeah, it comes speaking to

46:59

the microphone, that works, yeah.

47:01

However, even as our ancestors

47:04

became less aggressive, they continued

47:06

to compete for social rank.

47:08

Progivac suggests that creative and

47:11

witty insults helped replace physical

47:13

fighting as a weapon in

47:15

this competition. That makes

47:17

sense. Oh, so this is a

47:19

bit we jumped over, but I

47:21

think this is relevant. So. It's

47:24

necessary to consider the broader evolutionary

47:26

context. Most anthropologists now agree that

47:28

humans went through a process of

47:30

self-domestication around 80,000 years ago, meaning

47:32

there was selection for individuals who

47:34

were less physically aggressive. This would

47:36

have brought benefits, in particular people

47:38

who befriended rather than thought the

47:40

strangers they encountered would then have

47:42

allies they could turn to for

47:44

help during the tough times. Hence

47:46

the idea is sometimes referred to

47:48

a survival of the friendliest. But

47:50

also then that's when they competed

47:52

for social rank. With that, I

47:54

feel like that always would have

47:56

been the case as well to

47:58

an extent, because even just looking

48:00

at significant... less intelligent animals, you

48:02

know, as any animal. You see,

48:04

animals will, even when they're sometimes

48:06

aggressive to each other, they will

48:08

also alternate aggression with friendliness and

48:10

play. You know, we talked about

48:12

good wording earlier. Yeah, right. It's

48:14

interesting that, like, I always assumed

48:16

that all of the early words

48:18

were like monosyllabic. You know? Just

48:20

because it's like those are the

48:22

first you just make a sound

48:24

and be like that's the word

48:26

for that thing. Like probably starting

48:28

off as a crime out of

48:30

Pia like imitating a sound you

48:32

heard or something? Well maybe I

48:34

mean like like it'd be like

48:36

a dirt earth, sun, you know

48:38

just but water's weird and water

48:40

is two syllables in so many

48:42

languages but it's like you think

48:44

that'd be one of the first

48:46

fucking things you'd name is water.

48:48

You would. That is strange. But

48:50

then it is sort of automatic

48:52

as well like water has a

48:54

sort of slightly Well so fuck

48:56

wind is I think there I

48:58

fuck wind is obviously that's obviously

49:00

a quiff and I think quiff

49:02

came first Because it's it's kind

49:04

of an automata pia and it's

49:06

like a monosyllabic like I definitely

49:08

see early homoestabians. It does talk

49:10

about quiff And then I guess

49:12

you see this with children as

49:14

well, the way that they start

49:16

to put languages together, so it

49:18

talks in this article in another

49:20

paragraph that we skipped about saying,

49:22

take the sentence, Eleanor will grow

49:24

wheat, it contains a short clause,

49:26

grow wheat, that makes sense on

49:28

its own. The remaining words expand

49:30

that clause by telling us who

49:32

is growing the wheat and anchoring

49:34

the activity in time. the will

49:36

grow weak. But that means that

49:38

for Proton Back things, that means

49:40

the ancestors came up with phrases

49:42

like grow wheat first, and then

49:44

those expansions came later as a

49:46

language became more sophisticated. By the

49:48

way, water I think might have

49:50

been, the first time you would

49:52

see water, if you didn't know

49:54

what water was, it would be

49:56

amazing. I don't know, we're like,

49:58

whatever, there's a stream, but, so

50:00

maybe that was to, maybe it

50:02

was like, what, for what? Sure,

50:04

her. And then, what, her? I

50:06

think it's like, it's weird that

50:08

like the first written languages, you

50:10

know, before we're like, oh, an

50:12

alphabet would make sense, like if

50:14

you look at like hieroglyphs, where

50:16

you were just like, fucked if

50:19

you couldn't draw, well. Like yeah,

50:21

but it's like we're missing out

50:23

on all this like crucial Egyptian

50:25

history you want to tell but

50:27

you're like I can't I can't

50:29

do hands bad hands, you know

50:31

The same way someone with your

50:33

with your handwriting is like is

50:35

this a T or an R

50:37

you'd be like is this a

50:39

bird? And you're like no, that's

50:41

a that's a dog. Yeah, but

50:43

it's like we're missing out on

50:45

all this like crucial Egyptian history

50:47

just because some historian like sucked

50:49

at birds You know? Or whatever.

50:51

It's like... It's clearly a waterfall.

50:53

You suck at drawing. You would

50:55

even say it like, yeah, you

50:57

would suck at drawing and storytelling.

50:59

It's double whammy. It makes you

51:01

wonder if like the old like

51:03

ancient Egyptian like doctors like if

51:05

their hieroglyphs were shit, you know?

51:07

I think this says I'm supposed

51:09

to have a dose of ionophorus?

51:11

I'm not sure what this... Oh,

51:13

I put three leaches on. It

51:15

was only supposed to be one

51:17

crap. I'm sorry. I thought you

51:19

said push him into the well.

51:21

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry, I

51:23

didn't realize that was meant to

51:25

be a daffodil. Like, uh, you're

51:27

just very bad at Troy. What's

51:29

the other one? The bloodletting one,

51:31

too? It was like, no, don't

51:33

cut yourself. I didn't say, that's

51:35

what it says here. Bleasing, yeah,

51:37

it's, yeah. Cut your femoral already

51:39

for some reason. Get out the

51:41

bad blood. Has anyone ever had

51:43

like a le- on them like

51:45

a I don't think I have

51:47

like experienced a because I years

51:49

ago I'm sure I have without

51:51

knowing this here you get up

51:53

to seven a year while you're

51:55

sleeping it was weird I did

51:57

a sort of like a jungle

51:59

hike in I remember there was

52:01

Thailand on Malaysia but somewhere around

52:03

there this was good 20 years

52:05

ago now but uh You just

52:07

say you break dance, you can

52:09

say it, you don't have to

52:11

be racist and weird about it,

52:13

just say they do. You see?

52:15

But they are, they are strange

52:17

because they, they, you don't feel

52:19

them, you sort of gradually notice

52:21

them, because I think, I could

52:23

be wrong about this, but I

52:25

think they, as well as, as

52:27

well as their bite, they have

52:29

a sort of local anesthetic that

52:31

they've evolved to, so you don't

52:33

feel anything, you just suddenly notice

52:35

that there is this thing that

52:37

is slowly removing blood from your

52:39

body. I'm still stuck on the

52:41

fact that you don't remember if

52:43

you were in Thailand or Malaysia

52:45

like what do you bear grills

52:47

or something like Remember where I

52:49

know is it started a black

52:51

track table in central London and

52:53

I woke up in Thailand or

52:55

Malaysia It was a trip years

52:57

it was a trip years ago

52:59

where we flew into Bangkok and

53:01

we flew out of Singapore and

53:03

over the course of a couple

53:05

of weeks we worked our way

53:07

south like from Thailand through Malaysia

53:09

to Singapore and I can't remember

53:11

at what point on the trip

53:13

we took we went to we

53:16

did the jungle hike. Were you

53:18

doing comedy? There are jungles in

53:20

both countries. Was it stand up?

53:22

You're doing stand up or? No

53:24

this was pre-comity. This was I

53:26

was in my second year at

53:28

university so actually I would have

53:30

been A few months away from

53:32

doing my first ever gig. Oh

53:34

yeah. It was probably the leach.

53:36

It was in the scene at

53:38

the seed. You know? Yeah. Suck

53:40

the desire through me. Yeah, I

53:42

don't know. He took the blood

53:44

out and he spit the funny

53:46

in. That's a dead... Everybody knows

53:48

that. That's the most common way

53:50

to get started is the jungle

53:52

height. Yeah, it was definitely Indonesia

53:54

then, because that's where the funniest

53:56

leaches are, now that I remember.

53:58

Indonesia. I did comedy in Indonesia.

54:00

I did, I got heckled there.

54:02

Like, it was one of the

54:04

funniest heckles ever. What did they

54:06

say? In Indonesia. But that's back

54:08

when you used to go on

54:10

stage as the tsunami. And it

54:12

was like, not. You know, like

54:14

I get it. You're doing like

54:16

a Bruce- Bruce thing. But it's

54:18

like, not. Smart to do that

54:20

there like I didn't do my

54:22

research before traveling. Yeah, you really.

54:24

Please welcome the tsunami. Man, that's

54:26

a terrifying documentary. You guys see

54:28

that documentary series? No. It's like

54:30

it's the tsunami like minute by

54:32

minute. Oh, God. You know, the

54:34

2005? Oh, yeah. But it was

54:36

like minute by minute and it

54:38

talked about how in the US,

54:40

they got a warning system, but

54:42

they don't in like Indonesia. And

54:44

they knew it was coming, but

54:46

couldn't figure out how to get

54:48

in touch with anyone. So they're

54:50

trying to call the government in

54:52

DC that's like call an ambassador

54:54

there. You know, just so many

54:56

islands though. There's so many islands

54:58

like you can't get them. Yeah,

55:00

watching it unfold and people There's

55:02

just terrifying footage because it's like

55:04

everyone still had the old VHS

55:06

camcorders And the surviving footage is

55:08

just people on the beach like

55:10

and you know what's coming, but

55:12

they're looking at the horizon and

55:14

you just see like a white

55:16

line on the horizon That but

55:18

it's like goes across the whole

55:20

horizon and they just think it's

55:22

like That's weird you know and

55:24

they're going and everyone's just so

55:26

like it's like watching it like

55:28

in Terminator 2 where those kids

55:30

are on the playground before the

55:32

nuke yeah it's like right and

55:34

and and tsunamis don't look like

55:36

you think that like the foot

55:38

right everyone at beach and suddenly

55:40

suddenly water goes

55:42

out out of there goes way

55:44

way way out way further way

55:46

quicker than you quicker it

55:48

ever seen it

55:50

happen means a tsunami is

55:52

means a tsunami

55:54

is happening need

55:56

you could need

55:58

to get the

56:00

hell out of of

56:02

there but um or at

56:04

least get to

56:06

get a to high

56:08

as quick get

56:11

inland and and

56:13

as quickly as

56:15

you possibly can

56:17

cuz also can because

56:19

It doesn't. doesn't they They don't

56:21

look like you think they will. of

56:23

the of the cartoon version of

56:25

a tsunami is like a a but much much

56:27

much, much bigger. But it's not

56:29

like that. It's just like white cat it's

56:31

like the tide comes it's like the tide comes in really

56:33

really quickly, but then just keeps

56:35

coming. it it looks like if someone spills

56:37

a can a can of soda on

56:39

a table it way it just

56:42

sort of like bubbles and spreads.

56:44

It's just that. It just keeps

56:46

moving with moving with it force. unbelievable

56:48

This had a white but like small, you you

56:51

know, like a very small wave would

56:53

look like because it was just

56:55

at the top of the at the top

56:57

of know, it you the very, very top of

56:59

the swell. the very, but it was the whole

57:01

horizon. So but it was the whole

57:03

horizon. was very creepy was very

57:05

know, like if you imagine You know,

57:07

like if you imagine Yeah, just

57:09

like a white string of foam, of

57:11

foam, but across your entire field

57:13

of vision a perfectly straight line. straight

57:17

line. And... looking like it's not

57:19

moving also like it's so far away away

57:21

you're just kind of just kind of Like,

57:23

people are just, like, playing and, like... like taking

57:25

pictures and stuff when, pictures you

57:27

know what's about to happen

57:29

like you know account of the

57:31

documentaries called on account of the documentaries called like

57:33

the tsunami viewer. you as the viewer are

57:36

terrified anyway, man. Yeah. brutal

57:38

Yeah, I already got 2004. I'm trying

57:41

to look at them to look at they're wo

57:43

Disney, Disney on Disney on Disney Hey,

57:45

guys. hey guys But I mean I I mean,

57:47

I didn't realize, like I was, you know I

57:49

was too busy being like a know, I was

57:51

too busy being like a weird didn't like I you know I

57:53

So I didn't it was I, you know, I heard

57:55

about it and it was awful, but like I

57:57

didn't realize it was a a quarter of a

57:59

million deaths. Like it was like insane.

58:01

Wait, is that the real

58:03

number? There's like, there's a

58:05

museum in Thailand as well

58:08

that's like dedicated to it

58:10

and one of the parts

58:12

of it is a boat

58:14

that's inland and it's just

58:16

where that boat ended up.

58:18

Wow. It's just, it's, it's

58:20

a distance, it's a distance

58:22

from the water. Yeah, yeah,

58:24

quarter, quarter million. Quarter million

58:26

deaths. It's amazing. I mean,

58:28

in a horrific, horrificic way.

58:30

Yeah, it was unreal man

58:32

unreal. So you know if

58:34

you want to be real

58:36

bummed out on Christmas watch

58:38

that What else we got

58:40

guys? You know I always

58:42

pivot after my tsunami every

58:44

week guys I bring up

58:46

the tsunami every week well we

58:48

are talking about this is evolution

58:50

and and humans and the like,

58:53

this is a story that Justin

58:55

Brod sent in from CNN, the

58:57

oldest human DNA reveals a lost

58:59

branch of the human family tree.

59:01

Yeah, they finally cleaned my comfort

59:04

door, huh? Was that like almost

59:06

a Rodney Dana's gun impression? Yeah,

59:08

almost, almost, the like, the jiz

59:10

joke comes first and then we

59:12

worry about the voice second, you

59:15

know, wouldn't. Scientists say they have

59:17

recovered the oldest known Homo sapiens

59:19

DNA from human remains found in

59:21

Europe and the information is helping

59:23

to reveal our species' shared history

59:26

when the anthels. The ancient genome

59:28

sequined from 13 bone fragments unearthed

59:30

in a cave beneath a medieval

59:32

castle in Rannis Germany belonged to

59:34

six individuals including a mother daughter

59:37

and distant cousins who lived in

59:39

the region around 45,000 years ago

59:41

according to the study that published

59:43

Thursday in the journal Nature. The

59:45

genomes carried evidence of Neanderthal artistry,

59:48

sorry, ancestry. Well, reading is really

59:50

a problem today. I drove for...

59:52

I was on the road for

59:54

about seven hours yesterday and I'm

59:56

blaming it on... that. Where were

59:59

you coming back for research? We'll

1:00:01

get into that to the story.

1:00:03

No I was going to San

1:00:05

Francisco but via I had to

1:00:07

go via Thousand Oaks and it

1:00:10

was it was a day that

1:00:12

started at 5.30 a.m. and ended

1:00:14

at about 7 p.m. in San

1:00:16

Francisco. But but I have since

1:00:18

slept for 7 hours so I

1:00:20

have this is a poor excuse

1:00:23

at best. Research has

1:00:25

determined that the ancestors of those

1:00:27

early humans who lived in Rannis

1:00:29

in the surrounding areas, likely encountered

1:00:31

and made babies with the anatholes

1:00:34

around 80 generations earlier. Made babies

1:00:36

is quite a cute one. You

1:00:38

think a news article was reproduced,

1:00:40

but they had a special cuddle

1:00:42

that put a baby in the

1:00:44

mummy's tummy around 1500 years earlier,

1:00:47

although that interaction did not necessarily

1:00:49

happen in the same place. Is

1:00:51

that how it was explained to

1:00:53

you in that? As a child?

1:00:55

Specials. Special hog? Is that how?

1:00:57

Is that, is that wrong? Is

1:01:00

that not how it happens? Yeah,

1:01:02

yeah. Guys, what do we, guys,

1:01:04

what, what do you, is that

1:01:06

not, is that not right? I'm

1:01:08

just very curious about the British

1:01:10

version of the talk, you know?

1:01:13

Yeah. That was, that was definitely,

1:01:15

I deaf, early on, like, pre

1:01:17

the talk, when it's just like

1:01:19

tell them something to... Right. You

1:01:22

know this might have been around

1:01:24

the age Well, you know I

1:01:26

would have been too young men.

1:01:28

I've got a sister who is

1:01:30

18 months younger than me and

1:01:32

that was that would have been

1:01:35

too young even for that conversation

1:01:37

Maybe when a cousin was born,

1:01:39

but I definitely remember the phrase

1:01:41

like special cuddle Was it the

1:01:43

same age when they told you

1:01:45

Santa didn't exist? You just did

1:01:47

the two for one on there

1:01:49

wait what now? The same age

1:01:51

when they told you say and

1:01:53

I didn't exist. Hold up hold

1:01:56

on. Oh, sorry. What's going on?

1:01:58

Geez. Yeah, I didn't know. Wait.

1:02:00

I repeated it like an idiot

1:02:02

too. I'm like, okay, can you

1:02:04

get this? Get this joke back

1:02:06

in there. You're a good one

1:02:08

guys. Wow, okay, and I guess

1:02:10

vaccines don't work. Okay, well, Santa's

1:02:12

not real. I didn't know we

1:02:14

were gonna have MAGA guy on

1:02:16

here. Jesus. Sorry for all your

1:02:19

young others. San is not real.

1:02:21

Ridiculous. Scientists have known since the

1:02:23

Firth in the Anatole genome was

1:02:25

sequenced in 2010 that early humans

1:02:27

interbred with them a bombshell revelation

1:02:29

that bequeathed the genetic legacy still

1:02:31

traceable in humans today. However, exactly

1:02:33

how often and when this critical

1:02:35

and mysterious juncture in human history

1:02:37

took place has been hard to

1:02:39

pin down. Scientists have believed interspecies

1:02:42

relations would have occurred somewhere in

1:02:44

the Middle East as a wave

1:02:46

of Homo sapiens left Africa and

1:02:48

bumped into the anthels who had

1:02:50

lived across Eurasia for 250,000 years.

1:02:52

There's a picture by the way

1:02:54

in this article of the car

1:02:56

is a pretty cool castle. It's

1:02:58

pretty good-looking castle where they did

1:03:00

the digging I just want to

1:03:02

let you know that I haven't

1:03:05

listened to anything you said Then

1:03:07

that last chunk because I was

1:03:09

just upset that I didn't say

1:03:11

Skycow after you said There was

1:03:13

a whole Skycow thing in there

1:03:15

we could have done and yeah,

1:03:17

that is that is upsetting A

1:03:19

broader study on the anthill ancestry

1:03:21

published on Thursday in the journal

1:03:23

Science that analyzed information for the

1:03:26

genomes of 59 agent humans and

1:03:28

those of 275 living humans corroborated

1:03:30

the more precise timeline, finding that

1:03:32

the majority of the anthill ancestry

1:03:34

in modern humans can be attributed

1:03:36

to a single shared extended period

1:03:38

of gene flow. We were far

1:03:40

more similar than we were different,

1:03:42

said Priam Morjani, a senior author

1:03:44

of the science study, and an

1:03:46

assistant professor at the Department of

1:03:49

Molecular and Cell Biology in Berkeley.

1:03:51

Yeah, but I mean, if you

1:03:53

look at the picture of him,

1:03:55

though, he's wearing a tiger pelt

1:03:57

and holding a torch. Like, of

1:03:59

course, this guy's gonna say that.

1:04:01

I just realized you gave me

1:04:03

the link to look at him

1:04:05

just here staring at stuff. Single.

1:04:07

Oh by the way, pream on

1:04:09

Johnny female just before we missed

1:04:12

gender aside. I'm sorry, I was

1:04:14

making the Randolph clothing joke and

1:04:16

uh... You know, I don't think

1:04:18

that scientists can also wear lion's

1:04:20

pelts nowadays. They can. They can

1:04:22

wear, if they're allowed to wear

1:04:24

pelts. They're no longer gendered in

1:04:26

the way they once were. The

1:04:28

differences we imagine between these groups

1:04:30

to be very big actually were

1:04:33

very small genetically speaking. They seem

1:04:35

to have mixed with each other

1:04:37

for a long period of time.

1:04:39

The... The research pinpointed a pivotal

1:04:41

period that began around 50,500 years

1:04:43

ago and ended around 43,500 years

1:04:45

ago. I didn't know you could

1:04:47

actually pinpoint it within a half

1:04:49

millennium. Like the 500 there is

1:04:51

a bit of a surprise. I

1:04:53

thought it would be more hand-wavy,

1:04:56

but... Not long before the now

1:04:58

extinct Neanderthals began to disappear from

1:05:00

the archaeological record. Over this 7,000

1:05:02

year time frame, early humans encountered

1:05:04

them, had sex and gave birth

1:05:06

to children on a fairly regular

1:05:08

basis. The height of the activity

1:05:10

was 47,000 years ago, suggests the

1:05:12

study. Do you think it was

1:05:14

frowned upon? Like first of all,

1:05:16

do you think they knew they

1:05:19

were different species? And if so,

1:05:21

was it frowned upon? Or was

1:05:23

it like, like maybe it was

1:05:25

like, I heard, uh, I heard

1:05:27

ug, um, fucked an Indian girlfriend.

1:05:29

It was like having a Canadian

1:05:31

girlfriend, I think. Was. Okay. Yeah.

1:05:33

Yeah. Yeah, no, I gotta go

1:05:35

for it. She's got a pretty

1:05:37

big brow. She's gonna. I'm skipping

1:05:39

ahead in this story because it's

1:05:42

quite a long one, but it

1:05:44

says the individuals who lived who

1:05:46

called the cave and ran his

1:05:48

home were among the first Homo

1:05:50

sapiens to live in Europe They

1:05:52

numbered a few hundred and included

1:05:54

a woman who lived two hundred

1:05:56

and thirty kilometers away in the

1:05:58

Latin in the Czech Republic DNA

1:06:00

from Herskaw was sequenced in a

1:06:03

previous study and researchers involved in

1:06:05

the nature study were able to

1:06:07

connect her to the Rannis individuals.

1:06:09

They had dark skin, dark hair,

1:06:11

and brown eyes according to the

1:06:13

study, perhaps reflecting their recent, relatively

1:06:15

recent arrival from Africa. And they're

1:06:17

currently studying and remains from the

1:06:19

place to try to piece together

1:06:21

their diet and how they lived.

1:06:23

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Okay. This is

1:06:26

around the origin of cross fit

1:06:28

in the fossil line, right? When

1:06:30

they see... Is that what that

1:06:32

one is? I don't remember. You

1:06:34

don't have to give up alcohol

1:06:36

to get a body like this,

1:06:38

says one Instagram ad I keep

1:06:40

getting. Have they? And I believe

1:06:42

it, but I'm sure there's some

1:06:44

other stuff other than not giving

1:06:46

up alcohol that you do have

1:06:49

to do, so... I'm curious how

1:06:51

they reconstruct faces. They always like

1:06:53

have some skull, you know, and

1:06:55

then they're like, here's the reconstruct,

1:06:57

here's what they would have looked

1:06:59

like. And to me, that's the

1:07:01

most sort of like, like, really

1:07:03

though. You know, like, like, not

1:07:05

to just over-skeptic it, but, I

1:07:07

mean, have they tried that with,

1:07:10

like, modern skull? Like, okay, if

1:07:12

you took Albert Einstein's skull and

1:07:14

you gave it to somebody and

1:07:16

didn't say, this is Albert Einstein's

1:07:18

skull, but you gave it to

1:07:20

one of these people and you're

1:07:22

like, reconstruct this guy. Would it

1:07:24

look like Albert Einstein? Or would

1:07:26

it just... Does this make sense?

1:07:28

I didn't wash his hair? Yeah,

1:07:30

I just I just mean it's

1:07:33

like it's always very specific like

1:07:35

I guess it can kind of

1:07:37

give you a shape like where

1:07:39

the cheekbones would be But they're

1:07:41

always like this is it. This

1:07:43

is what this deanderthal looked like

1:07:45

and it's like I don't Yeah,

1:07:47

yeah, I don't know the

1:07:49

parts they're filling

1:07:51

in might not

1:07:53

be, but I

1:07:56

mean, not be, but

1:07:58

I think they

1:08:00

have, I'm looking

1:08:02

at this I'm in

1:08:04

the article. this one

1:08:06

skull in the that's held together

1:08:08

here that's held some sort of,

1:08:10

you know, skewer. some sort of, you know,

1:08:12

right. Yeah. That's like, like, holding that, and,

1:08:14

because there's different colors. Scott,

1:08:16

like, is that part in

1:08:18

the front? part in the front, like, um, no,

1:08:20

I guess not a molding.

1:08:23

They have enough there to kind of

1:08:25

get this of get Yeah, the skull is

1:08:27

way more bones than it has any

1:08:29

business being. way more Yeah. It's like, any Like,

1:08:31

because you look at it, you're like,

1:08:33

well, that's two parts. But then it's

1:08:35

like, no, it's like 40 parts. you

1:08:37

it's a lot of parts. and then

1:08:39

there's just that hole where the nose

1:08:41

is and you're like, that's so weird. then it's

1:08:43

like, no, it's where you 40 nose and you're

1:08:45

like, but that little bridge right there, And

1:08:48

can just crack that with that no

1:08:50

problem. the nose is. It used to It used

1:08:52

to be a guy that would of traffic

1:08:54

light in here where I used to live, that would, uh,

1:08:56

of um, ask for money. I used to live, that

1:08:58

would if he was homeless or not, but he just for

1:09:00

money. his nose was don't know if he was

1:09:02

homeless or not, but he had a hole

1:09:04

tactic. his nose was supposed to be. like, hey, there

1:09:07

was not a sign or anything. He's like, like, I got a hole tactic.

1:09:09

my That's all he had. wasn't a hole in a

1:09:11

hole in there was not a sign or

1:09:13

anything. face. He's I got a hole in my

1:09:15

face, in the you want to give me money

1:09:17

or not? hole in the hole in that was on

1:09:19

my face. He's just decision you made. in the hole in the hole

1:09:21

in my face. Yeah, it's going to take forever to

1:09:23

pay for that surgery. for that kind of That

1:09:25

kind of, that kind of tactic. I know what you're saying

1:09:27

though, know what you're saying though, a,

1:09:29

there's a, man, what's the name of

1:09:32

that museum in Philadelphia? The in Philadelphia,

1:09:34

the Mutter, Mutter, maybe? I don't

1:09:36

know. And it's all

1:09:38

skulls? Have you been

1:09:40

there? Mutter, Philadelphia. No, no, but I happen to

1:09:42

but I museum in in the south

1:09:44

of the Czech Republic. If

1:09:46

you've been of to one of those church, try that.

1:09:48

that are all over France that are

1:09:51

all over France, just like bone catacombs.

1:09:53

skull catacole, right. right, right,

1:09:55

right. This is the mutter, and muttter,

1:09:57

the the two dots was

1:09:59

a. What do we call it? The

1:10:02

TTER Museum? It's in Philadelphia if

1:10:04

you're ever there. You're not allowed

1:10:06

to take any pictures in there.

1:10:08

I don't know if they take

1:10:10

your camera or if they just

1:10:12

make sure you don't take them,

1:10:14

but it's just skull bonanza. If

1:10:16

you're in the skulls, go there's

1:10:18

some... Information there too, you're not

1:10:20

just looking at school. Oh, this

1:10:22

Czech Republic thing looks crazy, Matt.

1:10:24

There's someone like a Shandelier. Yeah,

1:10:26

I'm looking at the Shandelier. Wow.

1:10:28

It is, it is bunkers. On

1:10:30

that slightly grim note, we just

1:10:32

wrap up the main episode. It's

1:10:34

like that Christmas-y tone. Yeah. We

1:10:37

will do an extra bonus story

1:10:39

for the Patriot patrons. Patrons. It

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is, but. Let's let's talk about

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happier things. Forrest one more time

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1:11:01

standard. Where are you this you're

1:11:03

in Vegas this week? Yeah, but

1:11:05

the comedy seller this week. Oh

1:11:07

nice. I think they uh They

1:11:09

call people without a family or

1:11:11

loved ones like people that care

1:11:13

about them and like, hey, do

1:11:16

you want to go to comedy

1:11:18

over Christmas? I'm sure I'm there.

1:11:20

So I'm here with my dog.

1:11:22

Hey, Forrest, you've got a gambling

1:11:24

addiction. Would you want to spend

1:11:26

Christmas Day in a casino? And

1:11:28

Christmas Eve, don't forget. I'm at

1:11:30

the comedy cellar and this week.

1:11:32

And this week. And this is

1:11:34

come out this week, yes. That's

1:11:36

where I'm at. You're in Vegas,

1:11:38

come see me, I'm here, till

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the, till Sunday, the 29th. And

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then, you should at first, is

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you can go, and check out.

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or on my shows, or I'll

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be all over the place next

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time. Excellent. Very cool. And I

1:11:55

will be at Figaro Mountain Brewery

1:11:57

this Friday, December 27th with Warsaw

1:11:59

Polar Bros. 7 o'clock, and then

1:12:01

Saturday, December 28th, also Figaro Mountain

1:12:03

Brewing in Los Alevos at 4

1:12:05

o'clock, and I'll drop a link

1:12:07

to the listing of all those

1:12:09

shows. Okay, and I'm gonna be,

1:12:11

well I guess my Christmas, well

1:12:13

you can still probably catch me

1:12:15

in Eureka, California on the 27th,

1:12:17

depending when this episode comes out,

1:12:19

and also then Medford, Oregon on

1:12:21

the 28th and 29th. And then

1:12:23

Australia, Australia is filling up even

1:12:25

more. I'm gonna be, definitely gonna

1:12:27

be in Sydney, then Perth, we're

1:12:29

gonna do a couple of probably

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sciences. We also, I should tell

1:12:34

you, there is now a... a

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half-price ticket link for the property

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site shows in Perth, the code

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for that is Nobel, N-O-B-E-L, like

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the prize. And also after that

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1:12:46

a possibility, I'm talking right now

1:12:48

to a promoter about maybe squeezing

1:12:50

in a gig in Brisbane in

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between the two, so that would

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be mid-February, or be on either

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on Monday or Tuesday, maybe February,

1:12:58

trying to work out if there

1:13:00

is enough interest there to make

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it. financially viable to fit in

1:13:04

an extra detour to Brisbane. I

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know Monday and Tuesday and not

1:13:08

the ideal days for bringing people

1:13:10

out to a comedy show but

1:13:13

that is the only day that

1:13:15

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