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Hello and welcome to Psychic Teachers.

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I'm your host, Samantha Fay. And

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I'm Deb Bowen. And today we wanted

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to talk about ways you can connect

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with your spirit because, you know, we

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kind of had a rocky start to

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2025. We had

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all these major planets in

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retrograde, but we've just entered

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this really beautiful sweet spot,

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this lovely period that's going to

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last for a few weeks

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where we will have no planets

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retrograding. Mars ended its

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retrograde February 23rd, so instead

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of feeling as though we're

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moving backwards or not making

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any progress, that should start

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to change as Mars gets

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stronger each week. We

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also had Venus in retrograde, which

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may have had you reflecting on

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the past too much, especially going

1:00

back to 2017, but

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luckily she went direct on April

1:04

14th. Of course, we had to

1:06

deal with Mercury in retrograde, and

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then we had two powerful

1:11

eclipses in March. The lunar

1:13

eclipse on March 14th, and

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then the solar eclipse on March

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29th, which helped us close

1:19

out a chapter that began around

1:21

two years ago. And

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finally, we have Neptune moving into

1:25

Aries at the end of March. This

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is the first time Neptune

1:30

has been here since the mid

1:32

-1800s. And the first time Neptune

1:35

has changed signs since 2011. So

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in light of all that good news,

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we thought it would be a really

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nice idea to discuss ways to connect

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within to your spirituality on a daily

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level, because this is the time to

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focus on intentions, manifesting,

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and really going through these next months with your

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intuition strengthening as you

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focus on connecting within. You

1:58

know, it's so important, I think, to go through

2:00

life, Deb, with that that feeling

2:03

of intention. I'm being very blessed to

2:05

be able to give a talk

2:07

at a local spiritual center in April.

2:09

And I talk a lot in

2:11

that sermon kind of thing talk that

2:13

I'm writing about intention and about

2:15

connection and about an awareness of our

2:18

world around us and our place

2:20

in it. And I think that's a

2:22

big part of that notion of

2:24

intention for me. Yeah,

2:26

I do too. But also that

2:28

intention about Who are you?

2:30

And where do you want to go from

2:32

here? And what do you want your life

2:34

to look like one year from now? You

2:37

know, I sent you and

2:40

Joel that super long interview

2:42

that that podcast hosted by

2:44

Sean did with Joe McGonagall,

2:46

the first Army remote viewer.

2:48

And I don't know if you've had a chance to

2:50

check it out, Deb. It's six hours. I

2:52

have not, Samantha, but I do have it

2:55

in queue to get around to it. I listened

2:57

to it in like 30 minute batches, like

2:59

when I was at the gym. So

3:01

it's something you can listen to

3:03

and stop and listen to. But he's

3:05

done a lot of really interesting

3:07

things in there about psychic ability and

3:09

connecting within and all of that. One

3:12

thing I really took away is he

3:14

said, there's a formula for success. It doesn't

3:16

matter if you're psychic. It doesn't matter

3:18

if you're an army. It doesn't matter if,

3:20

you know, whatever it is you're trying

3:22

to do, this formula works for success. And

3:25

he said it

3:27

was attention plus intention

3:29

plus expectation. And

3:32

he said, you have to pay attention

3:34

to the details of your life. You

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have to go through your life with

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intention. And you have

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to have high expectations of yourself

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in your life. Isn't that

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so, so accurate? Well,

3:47

it certainly is. You know,

3:49

I think there have been times

3:51

in my life where I

3:53

have just blithely coasted along and

3:55

something will come along and

3:57

kind of jar me into deep

3:59

consciousness and I will think. Oh

4:02

boy, I really need to be more

4:04

aware of me and the world around

4:06

me and what I really want to

4:08

do in my world. And how am

4:10

I going to do that? And how

4:12

do I see myself a year from

4:14

now exactly as you're saying? Yeah.

4:16

Yeah. And I think that

4:19

is really crucial because we

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have to remember that our

4:23

attention is our power and

4:25

your attention becomes your intention.

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So whatever you pay attention

4:30

to evolves into how you

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intend to live your life.

4:34

And if your attention is

4:36

on your worries and your

4:38

stress and your bills and

4:40

your lack of connection or

4:42

your inability to discover your

4:44

purpose now or what have

4:46

you, that's what you're going

4:48

to amplify. And I

4:50

think we all know that. And yet,

4:53

I feel like we all need that reminder. At least

4:55

I know I do. I

4:57

think that's true, and I think

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that sometimes we do what you just

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described, that attention to what is

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not positive and forward moving in our

5:06

lives, because we're frozen with fear. I

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think here is a huge factor

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that we don't recognize or cope with

5:13

very often. No, I totally agree.

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And that's why I think it's a

5:17

good idea to look at areas

5:19

in your life where fear has held

5:22

you back. I think

5:24

that we all deal with fear,

5:26

but we all deal with it in

5:28

different ways and in different areas. So

5:30

does fear hold you back in your career? Does

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it hold you back in your progress

5:35

with health goals? Does it

5:37

hold you back in your

5:40

relationships and your ability to

5:42

socialize? Where exactly is your

5:44

fear keeping you stuck? And

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then you can look at areas of

5:49

your life where love is in charge.

5:51

Where in your life are you

5:53

succeeding and excelling because you love

5:56

that part of your life? And

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how can we bring those two

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into alignment and send love to

6:02

the areas where fear is holding

6:04

us back? But that

6:06

takes consciousness. That

6:08

takes letting intention. Yeah, and it

6:10

takes honesty. Ooh, that's hard.

6:12

really and truly, because don't you think

6:14

fear hides? I think fear hides a

6:16

lot as anger. I think

6:19

fear hides as sadness. Have

6:21

you ever been driving down the road and

6:23

somebody cut you off real quick and you

6:25

hollered at them and said nasty words and

6:27

we were really angry with them? No, never,

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Deb. I don't know what you're talking about.

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I know, Samantha. But what

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are you really? not really, I mean, you're angry, yes,

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but you're also frightened. You almost have

6:37

a wreck. You know, there's that. Exactly.

6:40

No, that's a really good metaphor because

6:42

it's true. We've all been there. We've all

6:44

experienced that and you're right. It's

6:46

at the heart of that is

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fear. And so I

6:51

think when we're conscious and we're

6:53

observing and we're paying attention to our

6:55

life, we also have to add

6:57

a large dose of honesty and think,

6:59

you know, what am I

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afraid of? Am I afraid

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of failing? Am I afraid of

7:05

success? Am I afraid of letting myself

7:07

down, letting others down? Am I

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afraid of looking like a fool? What

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am I afraid of? And

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then you have to dig even deeper.

7:16

You know, how does that fear crop

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up in different areas of my life?

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Well, it does all over the place,

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I think sometimes. I remember a long

7:24

time ago having a similar conversation with

7:26

another friend and he said, what's

7:29

the worst that could happen in whatever the

7:31

situation was that I was afraid of? What's

7:33

the worst that could happen? And

7:35

of course I started down this rabbit hole

7:37

of litany of oh, it's gonna be really

7:39

bad and this and this and this and

7:41

this And he said what is the likelihood

7:43

of all of that and he talked me

7:45

off the ledge of Really thinking about instead

7:47

of what's the worst that could happen. What's

7:49

the best that could happen? Yeah,

7:52

and that can be really

7:54

helpful too something a little mantra

7:56

I was given in meditation

7:58

Years ago has helped me a

8:00

lot and it's just whenever

8:02

like worrisome thoughts like that intrude

8:05

Repeat, does not matter, need

8:07

not happen. And that's helped

8:09

me a lot. Does not matter, need not

8:11

happen. Because in the big scheme

8:13

of things, now sometimes we're dealing with

8:15

heavy stuff. You know, like a health

8:17

diagnosis, that does matter. And it might happen,

8:19

right? Like, so I'm not talking about

8:22

the big, big, heavy stuff. I'm

8:24

talking about the daily stuff that

8:26

intrudes and really inhibits our ability

8:28

to connect within. If

8:30

we just remind ourselves, it

8:32

doesn't matter, it need not happen.

8:34

You know part of that

8:36

for me is reevaluating, reassessing, and

8:39

then revamping my

8:41

relationship with time. Oh

8:44

boy, time is a hard

8:46

one for me. And

8:48

the older I get, the stranger

8:50

my relationship with time is, I have

8:52

to tell you. And

8:55

that's really bothersome to

8:57

me because it's

8:59

about making time

9:01

and setting priorities as opposed

9:03

to, oh, I'll get around to

9:05

it. Right. And

9:08

I bet you a zillion folks that were

9:10

listening to this podcast episode right now are

9:12

saying, yeah, I'm going to get around to

9:14

meditating. Right. Yeah. Most of us

9:16

are there. How do we

9:18

move that into our daily routine and

9:20

it becomes very real to us? And

9:22

it's not just meditating because I know

9:25

folks are tired of hearing me say

9:27

that sometimes. But a lot

9:29

of other things in our lives. How

9:31

do we set the time

9:33

that we value our relationship with

9:35

what we're doing in our

9:37

spiritual life? For me, it's

9:39

got to be a visual reminder. Like

9:42

for example, I always

9:44

feel better when I have time to write

9:46

and it doesn't matter what I'm writing.

9:49

I just really what I'm talking about is

9:51

journaling. Like when I have time to

9:53

really process my thoughts on paper, that helps

9:55

me a lot. And yet, When I

9:57

get busy, I don't do that. Okay, stop

9:59

for a second. Because you just said,

10:01

when I have time to journal. What happens

10:03

if you change that sentence to, if

10:05

I make time to journal? Well, that's true

10:08

too. Yeah, there's that, isn't

10:10

there? There's that. Well, what I've had

10:12

to do is take my journal and

10:14

like leave it out, like leave it

10:16

on the coffee table, leave it on

10:18

my desk so that I see it.

10:20

And it's like a visual reminder. That

10:22

helps me to remember to stay focused

10:24

on what it is I'm doing. I

10:26

also will add that to my to -do

10:28

list. Do you write a daily to

10:30

-do list? Oh, Samantha, I have to

10:32

tell you, I am one of those

10:34

people who remembers a task that I

10:36

didn't write down. I do the task

10:38

and then I write it on my to -do list and

10:40

check it off. I

10:44

do. Like

10:47

just for the satisfaction of crossing

10:49

it off. Oh man, just doing

10:51

that checkmark is just so rewarding.

10:53

I am such a Pavlov dog

10:55

kind of girl. No,

10:57

I know. I do the same thing. It

10:59

is very, very true. But I

11:02

think also with those things we

11:04

know will help us connect within,

11:06

we have to cultivate the

11:08

motivation within ourselves. It

11:11

goes back to that story. I know I've

11:13

told this a hundred times, but it really

11:15

was life -changing. When my friend

11:17

came over, And I had

11:19

baked all this stuff. And

11:21

she was like, you know, eating

11:23

all the little baked goods I'd made.

11:25

And I was talking about some book I

11:28

had just read. And she was like,

11:30

how do you have time to bake and

11:32

read? And I was like, yeah,

11:34

I don't know. I just love doing it.

11:36

So I, you know, make time for it. And

11:38

then she was talking about how she

11:40

was getting ready for this marathon she was

11:42

going to be running in Charleston. And

11:45

I was like, how do you have time to

11:47

run ever? She runs like two hours a day.

11:49

And she was like, yeah, I don't know. I just love

11:51

doing it. I don't look at it as making time for

11:53

it. And it was that aha

11:55

moment where I realized like we

11:58

do the things we love to do.

12:00

And if you don't have the

12:02

motivation, you're not going to do

12:04

it. You know, I

12:06

didn't like I now I work out

12:08

six, seven days a week. I

12:10

used to work out. three, four days

12:12

a week. Well, the

12:14

motivation was going to visit my

12:16

dad in the nursing home every

12:18

day and seeing, you know, pretty

12:20

young old people not doing well.

12:22

Like people in their 60s who

12:24

were, you know, hunched over and

12:27

with walkers and canes and I

12:29

just thought, no, no, I don't,

12:31

I don't want that to be

12:33

me. And that was the

12:35

motivation I needed to really

12:37

get back into exercise in a

12:39

committed way. So I think

12:41

we have to find that motivation. I

12:44

think we do too,

12:46

but I also wonder

12:48

if some folks are

12:50

just maybe genetically or

12:52

mentally wired to be

12:54

more active and engaged

12:56

and doing than other

12:58

folks. For example, several

13:00

years ago, wonderful Amy

13:02

Grisak. from Montana, wrote

13:05

an article on you and I in

13:07

Rock and Gym Magazine. And

13:09

since then, Amy and I have become

13:11

pretty good email buddies and sub -stack buddies.

13:14

And Amy has written two books since

13:16

I've met her. She keeps a sub

13:18

-stack going like a couple of times a week. She

13:20

has two children. She homeschools. She

13:24

takes care of a lot of relatives and

13:26

friends. She delivers meals on wheels. She

13:28

has an amazing garden. She bakes all of

13:30

her own bread and then passes it

13:32

out to the neighborhood. And she hikes, you

13:34

know, all those Montana trails and has

13:36

a dog with a sled and stuff. And

13:39

I have said to her, when

13:41

do you sleep? Is

13:44

she human? I'm

13:46

not sure she is, although

13:48

I haven't said that. That's so

13:50

impressive. She's truly an

13:52

amazing woman. Amy Grisak, folks should

13:54

follow her on substack and take

13:56

a look at her website. But

13:59

in any case, I don't know

14:01

how she does what she does

14:03

and loves every minute of it. How

14:05

she cans all of her food.

14:07

It just goes on and on and

14:09

on and on. And

14:11

I don't know that I've

14:13

got all that motivation. I

14:15

completely disagree. Why?

14:17

I completely disagree. You're

14:20

in plays, you host

14:22

two podcasts, you're writing

14:24

a play, you just wrote a

14:27

book, you write on sub -stack,

14:29

you teach, you travel. I

14:31

completely disagree. You need to

14:33

turn that mirror around, Deb. Well,

14:36

thank you, dear, but don't come

14:39

look at the dust buddies on my

14:41

floor, okay? Oh, please. Isn't

14:43

that funny how we look at

14:45

other people so differently than how

14:48

we look at ourselves? Oh,

14:50

absolutely. I was literally, my kids,

14:52

like I said before we started

14:54

recording, all my kids and their

14:56

friends were home for my daughter,

14:58

my youngest daughter's birthday. And

15:00

they asked me how you were doing. And

15:03

I was telling them all the stuff you

15:05

were doing. And I'm really

15:07

excited about this play you're writing

15:09

and the book coming out and, you

15:11

know, you're going on this artist writer's

15:13

retreat and residency and all this stuff.

15:16

And they were like, gosh. You know,

15:18

like, I hope I have that much

15:20

energy when I'm retired. I

15:22

mean, they were really inspired

15:24

and impressed by you. Oh,

15:26

bless their hearts. Your daughters are

15:28

lovely people. They really are. But it's

15:30

just true. So you could just

15:32

apply everything you said about wonderful Amy

15:34

to fantastic Deb. All right,

15:37

so should we do a Samantha thing

15:39

today? No, no, no, no. Well, the

15:41

other thing I wanted to ask is,

15:43

is Amy married? Does she have father?

15:45

Oh, yeah, I forgot about her husband.

15:47

Oh, yeah. She's married to a husband

15:49

who does environmental work for the some

15:51

government agency in the environment in Montana.

15:53

I'm telling you people are probably going

15:55

to email me and disagree, but that

15:57

helps. Being married?

15:59

Yeah, not just being part, if you

16:01

have a family and you're partnered

16:03

up, it helps. Like I did so

16:05

much more when I was before

16:07

I was divorced and then when it

16:09

was just me. And everything was

16:11

on me, all the kids and the

16:13

parent -teacher conferences and applying to college

16:15

and changing the oil on their

16:17

cars and getting new tires. All that

16:19

crap was all on me, getting

16:21

their wisdom teeth removed. I had

16:23

no time for all the stuff I used

16:25

to do. So I do think that I'm talking

16:27

out of both sides of my mouth, but

16:30

I'm going to be honest because what I'm trying

16:32

to say is, We have to

16:34

work really hard at staying in connection

16:36

with our spirit and we need to

16:38

find the motivation and we need to

16:40

give ourselves those physical reminders. Like I

16:42

said, putting your journal book on a

16:44

coffee table where you can see it

16:46

and remind yourself, oh yeah, I intended

16:48

to write today, but here's

16:50

where I talk out of the other

16:52

side of my mouth. We also have

16:54

to be really gentle with ourselves and

16:56

recognize when we are in those busy

16:58

seasons of our lives. We do and

17:00

we have to honor ourselves and know

17:02

when we need to rest and I'm

17:05

really bad with that. Me too. I

17:07

know you are. And I think a

17:09

lot of people are because the world

17:11

is really too much with us, says

17:13

Shakespeare. We've got too much to do.

17:15

We are human doings instead of human

17:17

beings. And so every

17:19

once in a while, when

17:21

I can give myself permission, force

17:24

myself, whatever it takes

17:26

to just be instead of

17:28

do, I think,

17:30

oh, why don't I do this more often? Here's

17:32

an example. The

17:35

sunset last night where I live

17:37

was absolutely breathtaking. I

17:39

walked down to the water, took a look

17:41

at it, stood there and just prayed and

17:43

said thank you to that beautiful, beautiful sky.

17:46

And as I was walking back across

17:48

the gravel to my house, I thought, why

17:51

don't I do this more often? It

17:53

literally is in a hundred steps.

17:56

Why don't I do this more

17:58

often? Deb, I did the same

18:00

thing Saturday night. Did

18:02

you? Yes, we were coming

18:04

home from dinner and the beautiful pink

18:06

full moon was out. And

18:08

I wanted to go to the public

18:10

dock right down the street from my house.

18:13

I do. We drove down there and just

18:15

sat on that dock for an hour and

18:17

looked at the moon. And I was like,

18:19

I could ride my bike to this freaking

18:21

dock. And this is the first time I've

18:23

been here in months. Yeah,

18:26

you could. Yeah, you should

18:28

listen you should hear that

18:30

should I Don't shoot on me

18:32

dad, but but the should

18:34

comes from a place of That

18:36

that I think is something

18:38

that we need to give ourselves

18:40

permission to do is to

18:42

is to be and to stay

18:44

in touch with the Wonderful

18:46

world around us sometimes because we

18:48

forget another thing to do

18:50

of course is to block out

18:52

the world around us sometimes, turn

18:55

off all the electronics and the

18:57

machines and whatnot, and just be in

18:59

a place of nature. I remember,

19:01

and I probably told this story, I'm

19:04

sure I did, on the show

19:06

a long time ago. It

19:08

may have been last fall. I made

19:10

a peanut butter sandwich and went out

19:12

to the beach, and near

19:14

my house is a crossover that takes

19:16

you down to the ocean with a

19:18

little seating area, and I sat down.

19:20

and opened my peanut butter sandwich and

19:22

started to eat my sandwich. And an

19:25

eagle flew over my head from the

19:27

maritime forest across me, across the dune,

19:29

and down onto the strand. Now,

19:31

I am a beach girl. Everybody knows that

19:33

I have lived on an island all my

19:36

life. I have never seen an island on

19:38

the strand in front of the waves. And

19:40

yet there she was. I

19:42

just couldn't breathe. I was like,

19:44

wow, this is so amazing. And

19:47

she got up off the strand and

19:49

she flew back over my head and across

19:51

the street and perched on top of

19:53

a telephone pole. And she stayed there

19:55

for a right good while. And

19:57

there was a shrimp boat way out in the ocean. And

20:01

she flew back across me and

20:03

the dunes and the strand. And this

20:05

time she flew out into the

20:07

ocean. And I lost sight of her.

20:09

I don't know quite what happened

20:11

after that. I couldn't see her anymore.

20:13

But my point in telling you

20:15

that story is that if I had

20:17

not just been being, sitting, doing

20:19

quote nothing, I would have

20:22

missed that moment. Wow. I'm

20:24

so grateful for that moment. I had

20:26

a moment like that too the other

20:28

weekend, but it's a little different. So

20:31

as I said, my kids

20:33

were coming home to celebrate Chloe's

20:35

birthday. Now my oldest two

20:37

girls and all their friends are

20:39

21 and 22. And

20:42

it's so weird having legally drinking

20:44

kits because I texted them and I

20:46

was like, okay, go to the grocery

20:48

store. Like, remind me, like, what is

20:50

so -and -so like to drink? Is it

20:52

Dr. Pepper or is it, you know,

20:54

what is it? And

20:57

they were like, oh, well, we also,

20:59

we drink these like, you know, those

21:01

seltzer alcohol drinks. I know what

21:03

they are. Yeah. Okay. And I was

21:05

like, oh, right. You guys. are

21:07

over 21. So I went

21:09

to the ABC store for my kids. Did you

21:11

ever think I'd say those words? No,

21:13

I did not. And

21:17

as I'm pulling up, I like never

21:19

go to the ABC store. I always

21:21

feel weird about it. I don't know

21:23

why. And I pull up during the

21:25

day and I walk out and there's

21:28

a hawk just sitting on top of

21:30

the ABC store, like staring, judgingly at

21:32

everyone walking in, just hanging out. That's

21:39

too funny. Times

21:42

you don't have to go into nature

21:44

to find it. Just walk into your

21:46

liquor store. I have been

21:48

in a liquor store a few times

21:50

and I don't believe I've ever seen a

21:52

walk at the liquor store. No, I

21:54

mean either. I was like, wow, that's got

21:57

to mean something. Now,

21:59

what if you're someone like

22:01

me? I don't know what it

22:03

is. I've always been... a

22:05

rebel without a cause. And I

22:07

don't mean that to be

22:10

funny. I mean, literally I always

22:12

rebel against the stupidest things.

22:14

Like I rebel against time and

22:16

schedules. I don't like to

22:18

have a set schedule every day.

22:20

I don't like to have

22:22

a set routine. And

22:24

so for me to like

22:26

wake up and meditate every

22:28

day is hard for me.

22:30

Or like our friend Denise,

22:32

she wakes up every day.

22:34

and has for about 30

22:36

years and just done her

22:38

morning pages, you know, from

22:40

the artist way. Oh boy. And

22:43

she has all the journals saved. It's

22:45

such a cool thing. I'm

22:47

just not like that. And it's not

22:49

like I can't be like that. It's

22:51

like something inside of me resists that.

22:53

Does that make sense? Oh, absolutely. I'll

22:55

tell you a story about that. When

22:57

I first moved into the new place

22:59

that I live in, I connected

23:02

with a group of people who

23:04

decided that we should form a

23:06

study group, kind of support group,

23:08

and do the artist's way. Now,

23:10

I have tried the artist's way many

23:12

times over the years. I really have. I

23:15

tried. But I wanted to

23:17

get to know these women, and I thought,

23:19

well, okay, I'll give it a shot. Well,

23:22

I know Julia Cameron's philosophy of you

23:24

gotta do this before you brush your

23:26

teeth or make coffee or anything. mean,

23:29

I get her whole philosophy of early

23:31

morning stuff. I don't do mornings.

23:33

So I tried for the

23:35

first few days to behave.

23:37

I really tried. And by

23:40

about day four, I was

23:42

like, screw this, I'm not

23:44

doing it this way. I'm

23:46

gonna have afternoon pages. And

23:49

I tried that for

23:51

a while. And then I

23:53

got towards maybe three quarters of the

23:55

way through the book and said, nope,

23:57

this is not working for me. And

23:59

that's just me. I know a lot

24:01

of people love it and I respect

24:03

the book and I respect folks who

24:05

do it. But that is not something

24:07

that has worked well for me. But

24:09

I understand your point here is that

24:11

some folks are just absolutely adamant about

24:13

and very disciplined about specific times of

24:16

day to do certain things. And that

24:18

doesn't work for me either. Yeah,

24:20

it doesn't work for me and

24:22

I do the morning pages I just

24:24

like you I don't do them

24:27

in the morning and I don't do

24:29

them religiously I might do it

24:31

three times a week one month and

24:33

then the next month not at

24:35

all and then the month after that

24:37

once a month But I do

24:39

them just not consistently. I journal a

24:42

great deal I keep journal after

24:44

journal after journal and I keep records

24:46

of rituals and readings I do

24:48

and all that kind of stuff. I

24:50

do those kind of things, but

24:52

I don't write in that artist's way,

24:55

way. Right. No, me neither.

24:57

That's not what I do. What

24:59

I like to do, I

25:01

have things all around me

25:04

and all around my home

25:06

that allow me to connect

25:08

within whenever the mood hits

25:10

me. So for

25:12

example, right now I'm looking around

25:14

at my desk and I've got my

25:16

singing bowl. I have a

25:19

crystal charging on a beautiful

25:21

piece of pyrite that Joel got

25:23

me under a copper charging

25:25

pyramid. I have my little

25:27

sprays so that I can spritz

25:29

myself and my crystals. I have my

25:31

beads if I feel like, you

25:33

know, stringing some beads and saying some

25:35

mantras. I have things all

25:37

around the house. I have bowls

25:39

of crystals in almost every room so

25:41

that if I feel like it,

25:43

I can just sit down and go

25:45

through that bowl and pick a

25:47

crystal to carry with me that day.

25:49

I have Oracle decks and tarot

25:51

cards in my office, oddly in

25:54

my kitchen, don't ask why, in

25:56

my bedroom so that if I'm in

25:58

the mood, I can just pull a

26:00

card. I just have those things all

26:02

around me so that when I want

26:04

to do something, I can. But

26:07

The consistency is what I'm

26:09

not a fan of. You me

26:11

too. And as you described

26:13

that, I'm looking around my office

26:15

right now and looking at

26:18

bowls of crystals and crystal grids

26:20

and feathers and candles and

26:22

pottery and all books and all

26:24

sorts of things that are

26:26

to me a connection to spirit

26:28

in some way. CDs, music.

26:32

Oh, music so big for me. You

26:34

know. Yes. And even

26:37

making a cup of tea, we can

26:39

turn that into a ritual, you know, in

26:41

a little, my little tea cabinet. I

26:43

have all sorts of different teas

26:45

for different things. My holy basil

26:47

tea. I have a dream, like

26:50

a little herb sachet of a

26:52

sachet of teas that help you

26:54

remember your dreams so that I

26:56

can make a little ritual of

26:58

that and stir it clockwise and

27:00

sip it slowly. I

27:02

think those little reminders, I know you

27:04

have your tuning fork so that you

27:06

can tune your water. I do.

27:09

I think all of those things

27:11

are important. And I guess what

27:13

I'm asking is, does it have

27:16

to be consistent? No,

27:19

no. And one of the reasons

27:21

when I say that, like I

27:23

know what I'm talking about, but

27:25

I say that because at least

27:27

in my belief, one of the

27:29

things that helps me is to

27:32

remember that while We in our

27:34

human form here on this

27:36

plane are relegated to a relationship

27:38

with linear time. In the

27:40

big cosmos of things, linear time

27:42

isn't real. And

27:44

so if I use my tuning

27:46

fork in my water today and save

27:48

some of that water for tomorrow,

27:51

it's still tuned. We're good. You know,

27:53

and if I'm 30 minutes late

27:55

after sunset for doing a particular ritual

27:57

on a certain day, the world

27:59

is not coming to an end. I

28:01

think it's okay. I think there's

28:03

a matter of being respectful and being

28:05

very clear about your intentions and

28:07

who or what your intentions affect. But

28:10

I also think that there's some

28:12

flexibility in the universe and it's

28:14

important to be cognizant of when

28:16

each of those applies. Yeah.

28:19

Like I like candles every day. I

28:21

do too. And people will say

28:23

to me, we'll get a diffuser. I

28:26

do have a diffuser. But I

28:28

like to light at least one candle

28:30

a day and send good thoughts up

28:32

with that light. So if I'm praying

28:34

for someone or several people or if

28:36

I just want to send good energy

28:38

to my mom and dad and heaven,

28:40

I'll think of them as I light

28:42

that candle. That's a ritual and it

28:45

takes, you know, a minute. Absolutely. There's

28:47

a candle lighted on my altar every day over

28:49

that prayer list that I have for people I'm praying

28:51

for. And there are people who get added to

28:53

that prayer list all the time. And then I light

28:55

special candles, like, for example, on the first night

28:58

of Passover, I lit a candle. And

29:00

I did that on the first night

29:02

of spring. Those are things that I think

29:04

are important. And I also

29:06

keep a bag of angel coins in

29:08

my car so that whenever I'm

29:10

in a place where I think people

29:12

might need a little boost, I'll

29:14

drop that angel coin. So usually I'll

29:16

do that outside of a doctor's

29:18

office, but I'll do it outside of

29:20

a CVS too, or just walking

29:22

into the grocery store, and that

29:24

makes me happy. Just to do

29:26

something nice and think about whoever finds

29:28

that and might feel a little

29:30

bit happier or more supported in their

29:32

life, that's a nice way for

29:34

me to connect with them. That's

29:37

a lovely thing to do. But

29:39

you know, Samantha, as we're talking,

29:41

I'm thinking about this, and I

29:43

said it a minute ago, that

29:45

part of what we're talking about

29:47

in that connecting to spiritual aspects

29:50

of ourselves in the world of

29:52

around us really does take consciousness.

29:55

It really does take us having

29:57

an awareness. How we do

29:59

it, when we do it, all those things are

30:01

entirely, I think, up to us and are okay

30:03

however we choose to do it. But

30:05

it does really matter

30:08

that we set the intention and

30:10

then follow through with it, whether we

30:12

give ourselves a timeline on it

30:14

or not, whatever it is. Yeah, no,

30:17

that's true. But just being conscious,

30:19

being present, being in the moment. I

30:21

can't tell you like that first

30:23

week or two that I was packing

30:25

up my house and moving into my

30:27

new home. So many times,

30:29

Michael or one of the kids

30:32

would say, Remember

30:34

you said blah blah blah two days

30:36

ago and I would be like, no, I

30:38

have no memory of that. Like where

30:40

was I? I was so busy, I

30:42

wasn't in the moment. Do you

30:44

ever get in those periods of your

30:46

life and someone will say, well,

30:48

remember you said such and such or

30:50

remember you said you put that

30:52

item in this room? No, I have

30:54

no memory of that because I

30:56

was so going, going, going, going. I

30:58

worry about that about myself sometimes

31:00

because for example, when

31:02

you and I were planning out

31:05

our podcast episodes for this month. And

31:07

this was one, of course, that we were planning. And

31:09

I thought, oh, this is a great idea. This will

31:12

be really good. And then I got your email with

31:14

the Zoom link. And I looked at

31:16

that title and I thought, well, I don't

31:18

know what the dickens we're talking about. Because

31:22

I had no memory of that conversation earlier.

31:24

And once you refreshed my memory, I understood

31:26

where we were going. No,

31:28

I mean, because I've got so many other things

31:30

going on in my head, you know? Yeah, too

31:33

many files open in our computer brain.

31:36

Oh, it's the truth. And that's

31:38

always a sign to me

31:40

that I need to slow down

31:42

and just do something different

31:44

that's just playful. And

31:46

again, I don't think we should

31:48

even ascribe a spiritual term to it.

31:51

It could be just watching TV.

31:53

It could be just sitting on

31:55

your back patio and staring. It

31:57

could be taking a walk, it

31:59

could be calling your friend and just

32:01

talking and catching up, but taking

32:04

those moments to just hit pause and

32:06

allow your body to reset. I

32:08

saw this thing on, I don't know,

32:10

Instagram or Facebook when I was scrolling the

32:12

other day, and it said, if you

32:15

eat a heavy meal before you go to

32:17

bed, you are not sleeping.

32:19

Your body is not resting because

32:21

your body has to spend all

32:23

that time digesting that food. and

32:25

so you're not getting the full

32:27

amount of rest. And it just

32:29

made me think, like,

32:31

how often do we think

32:33

we're resting during our life where

32:35

we're not because our mind

32:37

is digesting all the thoughts that

32:40

we're feeding it? Oh,

32:42

I think that's very common, unfortunately.

32:44

Yeah, I do. And I also

32:46

think that there are times that

32:48

we're feeding our consciousness stuff and

32:50

we're not processing it. I

32:52

mean, for example, I

32:54

have been invited to be

32:56

a reviewer for a

32:58

literary journal. And so

33:01

I'm reading books by folks

33:03

and reviewing them. And

33:05

I'm about halfway through one

33:07

that I cannot tell you the

33:09

lead character's name. And

33:11

I don't mean that to be disrespectful

33:14

in any way to the author or

33:16

to the book. This is about me

33:18

not being present. I'm trying

33:20

to read. I'm trying to hurry up. I know these

33:22

folks need this review. And

33:24

I'm not paying attention. This is

33:26

not right. So to

33:28

stop and to really be present

33:30

in whatever it is is

33:32

really important, I think. And taking

33:34

that time out for yourself

33:37

and daydreaming. I mean, how important

33:39

is daydreaming? We've done whole

33:41

episodes on the importance of daydreaming,

33:43

just allowing your thoughts to

33:45

wander. Yeah. And someone

33:47

was saying to me the other day, that

33:49

when they used to stop at

33:52

stoplights, they would actually just stop

33:54

at the stoplight and think and

33:56

process and let their mind wander

33:58

and go. And now they

34:00

stop at the stoplight and they realize

34:02

they have two minutes and they check

34:04

their phone. Oh dear, I don't do

34:06

that. And I thought, you know, that's

34:08

very, very true. We're distracted

34:10

in every moment, even when we're just

34:12

stopped at a stoplight. What you're saying

34:14

on what I do at those stop

34:17

lights is I stop and I pray

34:19

that nobody's going to run red lights.

34:24

Traffic in here is horrible, horrible, horrible.

34:26

You know, so I spend stop

34:29

lights praying. This

34:31

is true. I can attest to that. I've

34:33

driven with Deb. Oh,

34:38

good lord. Well, you know, when we were

34:40

sitting on the dock looking at the full moon.

34:43

I was with Michael and his boys, and I

34:45

said, oh, we should all make a wish, you

34:47

know, because the first star I come out next

34:49

to the moon. And I was

34:51

thinking about that word wish,

34:53

and I was thinking how

34:55

different a wish is from

34:57

a goal. And it

34:59

really made me ponder and

35:02

reflect. You know, it's

35:04

nice to have wishes, but there's

35:06

a different energy that comes with

35:08

a wish as opposed to a

35:10

goal. Do you agree with that?

35:13

Yeah, I do and the wish

35:15

is giving the control of something

35:17

else. Yeah Yeah, and the goal

35:19

is giving the control keeping the

35:21

control in your hands, right? Yeah,

35:23

that's really true Well, then what's

35:26

the difference between a prayer that

35:28

a prayer is similar but but

35:30

it's not because a prayer you're

35:32

putting the power of the control

35:34

in a higher powers hands Right

35:36

and a wish you're putting the

35:38

control of the outcome of that

35:41

wish in who knows hands Right?

35:43

A star. A star. Exactly.

35:47

I think that whatever we

35:49

do, whether it's a

35:51

wish, a prayer, setting

35:53

an intention, whatever it is,

35:56

setting a goal, is that we're

35:58

clear about it. And the

36:00

clarity sometimes is the hardest part.

36:03

mean, I know I have said this on

36:05

this show as well, when I talk

36:07

about the yeah, but syndrome, where we think

36:09

we really want something. And so we

36:11

work towards manifesting it and we get along

36:13

the way and then we think, oh,

36:15

I really do want that, but yeah, but

36:17

I don't know. I mean, here's my

36:19

example for that. There is another island not

36:21

far from where I live that I

36:23

would love to live on. If you've said

36:25

to me, here's all the money in

36:27

the world, it's all yours, go

36:29

where you want to go. I would

36:31

be on that island tomorrow in my head.

36:34

And the only way to get there is by ferry

36:36

or private plane. I would love

36:38

that. That would make me

36:40

so happy. And yet, when I

36:42

stop and think about that

36:44

rationally, the Yabbots come in. Yabbot,

36:47

I don't want to pay the insurance on

36:49

that house. Yabbot, what if a hurricane hits? Yabbot,

36:52

what if there's a medical emergency and

36:54

I can't get off the island? They'd

36:56

have to airlift me off. Yabbot, yabbot,

36:58

yabbot, yabbot. Yabbot, the island's horribly crowded

37:00

in summer, worse than it is here.

37:02

Yabbot, yabbot. That wish, goal, prayer

37:05

of being able to live in what

37:07

to me would be paradise is countered

37:09

all those yeah buts. And I realize

37:11

that's not really what I want. Yeah,

37:14

but I feel as though you've reached

37:16

a really good compromise with that. I think

37:19

I have too. Because you're not going

37:21

to change that. Those are all good yeah

37:23

buts, I got to be honest with

37:25

you. They are. That's why my parents used

37:27

to live at the beach and they

37:29

sold and moved in town because they were

37:31

afraid as they got older, it would

37:33

take so long for an ambulance to get

37:36

to them. And

37:38

hurricanes, they were tired of

37:40

evacuating. I mean, those

37:42

are real consequences. Absolutely.

37:44

My oldest brand still lives on another

37:46

island, the island he and I grew

37:48

up on. And we

37:51

were talking this past week about exactly

37:53

what you're talking about. And

37:55

the price of his house has

37:57

skyrocketed. It's literally worth more than a

37:59

million dollars now. He built

38:01

it with his own two hands. He can

38:03

tell you where every nail is in

38:05

that house. And it's a beautiful house, but

38:07

you know, he's by himself now. And

38:10

what does he really value

38:12

as his values changed, as his

38:14

desires for what he wants

38:16

to have happen in his life

38:18

going forward changed, and he's

38:20

really working his way through that.

38:23

And I think we all do that, not

38:25

just in the material things like I'm talking

38:27

about where you live and houses and stuff,

38:29

but we do that in terms of our

38:31

spiritual growth, I think, as well. You've compromised

38:33

because you still go to that island. at

38:35

least twice a year. I do. I

38:38

do. I think that's important.

38:40

So you're recognizing your limitations, but

38:42

you're still not stopping yourself

38:44

from that dream. I

38:46

know, and I probably shouldn't say this,

38:48

I don't want to jinx it, but

38:51

there may be possibility of me doing

38:53

a workshop perhaps on that island sometime

38:55

in the near future. And I sure

38:57

hope that happens. Oh, it'll happen. You

38:59

will make it happen. Well, I don't

39:01

know. I got some other people involved

39:03

in it, which we got goats. Thoughts

39:06

plus emotion plus action equals manifestation. I

39:08

know the rules. So

39:12

we can hope, you know. But

39:14

I think that we tend

39:17

to... Well, let me rephrase that.

39:19

I think I tend to

39:21

compartmentalize my life. Here's the spiritual

39:23

deb. Here's the...

39:25

action, thinking, doing kind

39:27

of deb. Here's this

39:29

yebat deb. They're all these different

39:32

parts of me. And

39:34

yet, it would be really

39:36

nice to integrate them. And

39:38

how do I do that? How do If you

39:40

figure it out, you let me know. Oh, I just

39:42

knew you had an answer. I just knew you

39:44

did. Uh -uh. I

39:46

don't. I compartmentalize too. And it

39:48

actually works for me. And so

39:50

I know we're supposed to integrate,

39:53

but compartmentalizing has always helped me. So

39:55

say some more about that, so maybe

39:57

other folks can have some. Well, like I

40:00

have, you know, working Sam, I have

40:02

mothering Sam, I have relationships, you

40:04

know, I have all these different aspects

40:06

of me. And for many

40:08

reasons, they need to be pretty

40:10

separate. If I were spiritual, I

40:12

just want to play with crystals,

40:14

Samantha, while I was trying to

40:17

work, I wouldn't get anything done.

40:19

And if I was working Samantha

40:21

while integrating mothering Samantha, my

40:23

kids wouldn't get all of me

40:25

when I'm with them. And

40:27

so, I don't know, it's

40:29

always helped me to compartmentalize, especially

40:32

during times of stress, you

40:34

know, whenever I'm going through those

40:36

high levels of stress. I

40:38

shared on the show, I schedule my

40:40

stress. Like I would, when I was going

40:42

through my health issue, when I was going

40:44

through my divorce, I would

40:46

literally mark out Mondays and Fridays

40:48

for doctor's appointments and then later

40:50

with the divorce for lawyer appointments

40:53

to deal with that. But then,

40:55

you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday was

40:57

about work, weekends were about the

40:59

kids and family. That always helped

41:01

me to get through those difficult

41:03

times. I understand we're

41:05

supposed to integrate all of

41:07

that, but compartmentalizing has always

41:10

helped me. Okay. I

41:12

hear that. I get it.

41:14

Here's a question. I bring

41:16

spiritual Samantha to my mothering,

41:19

right? Like, did I tell

41:21

you? Oh my gosh, did

41:24

I tell you that Chloe has taught herself

41:26

to row? Get out

41:28

of here. I swear to God,

41:30

it was such a proud mother moment.

41:32

I cannot tell you. She came

41:34

home just by herself a couple of

41:36

months ago and asked for me

41:38

to do a tarot reading for her.

41:40

And so I did. And

41:42

she was like, let me lay the cards

41:44

out. And she did a perfect Celtic cross. And

41:46

I was like, Chloe Fay. And she said,

41:48

I know my roommate and I have been practicing.

41:51

And I was so excited. And

41:53

when my kids were like unpacking

41:55

my boxes and boxes of crystals, I

41:57

was so proud because they were

41:59

like, where does the Lepidolite go, mom?

42:02

Where does the Cyanite go? And I was like, look

42:05

at them. So I mean,

42:07

I do bring spirituals to be

42:09

at that to my mothering, but

42:11

I still compartmentalize it. I

42:13

don't know how to explain that. Like I

42:15

don't want, when I'm with my kids, I don't

42:17

want everything to be Listen to the sound

42:19

of nature around you, girl. You know, they don't

42:21

want that all the time. No,

42:23

they don't, Samantha. But

42:26

that doesn't... But you know, we

42:28

can bring spirit into... You do.

42:30

I know you do. For example,

42:33

you cook a meal and you put

42:35

the food on the table and you

42:37

say a blessing. You have brought spirit

42:39

into the mundane of cooking. Yeah. I

42:41

charge it on a selenite plate or

42:43

an agate plate. See? My

42:48

kids know how to sage the

42:50

heck out of a house But I

42:53

still think that there's a benefit

42:55

to compartmentalizing Yeah, I don't know that

42:57

I disagree with you. I just

42:59

You know that part of me that

43:01

maybe it's that Libra part of

43:03

me that wants to find balance all

43:05

the time No, cuz I think

43:08

you're right. I think we're supposed to

43:10

learn how to integrate all of

43:12

it I'm just saying for me If

43:14

I can't visualize it, it's not

43:16

going to happen, and I can't visualize

43:18

that happening. I can't visualize

43:20

integrating all of those parts together.

43:23

I think that that should be the

43:25

goal, though. So I'm agreeing with

43:27

you, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Okay.

43:31

Joel's done a good job of that.

43:33

Where has he not? He's an amazing

43:35

guy, you know that? Yeah, he really

43:37

is. He truly is. I do think

43:39

he's done a good job of integrating

43:41

all of that, but I also think

43:43

that people like me and you need

43:46

to cut ourselves a lot of slack

43:48

because we have, what's the

43:50

phrase, our thumb in a lot

43:52

of pies? Yeah,

43:54

our fingers in a lot of pies. Yeah. So

43:57

I think we have to give ourselves

43:59

grace. And I think that's

44:01

part of being a spiritual person is

44:03

learning to give yourself all the grace

44:05

that you give to other people. You

44:08

know, that's a word I ponder a lot.

44:11

In fact, I wrote a whole sub -stack

44:13

on it a while back if anybody wants

44:15

to go to my website and scroll

44:17

back through old editions of my newsletter. I

44:19

wrote about grace a lot, and I

44:21

still think about what that word means. I

44:23

spoke to a friend of mine who

44:25

is, I don't know what they call it

44:28

in the Episcopal Church, but she leads

44:30

the vestry. which is the governing

44:32

body of a local church. And I called

44:34

her and I said, what does the word

44:36

grace mean to you? And she

44:38

gave me a definition and I used it

44:40

in my newsletter. And I looked at grace

44:42

in a lot of other ways. Rising

44:45

Appalachia has a great song about

44:47

grace. It's called Medicine Woman. Rachel

44:49

Farrow has a song called Free Grace.

44:52

So I did a lot of work

44:54

about the word grace and I'm

44:57

still working on it because I'm still

44:59

not sure what it

45:01

means and whether or not or

45:03

how or if it applies

45:05

to me in my life. Really,

45:08

there's a word I really think a lot about

45:10

actually is the word grace. No,

45:12

I do too. And

45:14

I think some words are

45:16

so powerful they almost

45:18

defy description. And

45:20

I think grace is one of those.

45:22

I agree with you. I liken it to

45:24

unconditional love. That's how I think of

45:26

grace. It's somehow looking

45:29

at yourself and others

45:31

in life with non -judgment

45:33

and unconditional love. But

45:36

it's more than that. So it's

45:38

like, I think it's a wordless word.

45:40

It really is. It really

45:43

is. I'm still working on it. I'm

45:45

still pondering that word. So,

45:47

you know, but there are other words as

45:50

well, but that was a big one for me.

45:52

It's what is, what is it grace? What

45:54

does it mean to give ourselves grace? What does

45:56

it mean for a higher power? to give

45:58

us grace. What is amazing grace,

46:00

for example? I don't know the answer

46:02

to that. I don't either, but I

46:04

think you know it when you experience

46:06

it. Well, I think that's true. I

46:08

agree that's true. So let me ask

46:11

you this question, Samantha. What is the

46:13

one thing that we hope that we

46:15

are giving our listeners in this episode?

46:17

Because we've been, we've zigged and zagged

46:19

and talked about a lot of stuff

46:21

and put a lot of ideas in

46:23

a big pot and stirred them around.

46:25

What is the one thing that we

46:27

really hope they're taking away from our

46:29

time together? Permission

46:32

to tune out and

46:34

tune within, a reminder

46:36

that it's important to go

46:38

throughout your life with intention,

46:41

but you also have to balance

46:43

that with a lot of grace

46:45

to yourself and a lot of

46:47

self -acceptance and love and honesty. I

46:50

like that. I want to add two

46:52

things. Yeah. My wonderful friend Anna has

46:54

cards printed that she passes out everywhere

46:56

she goes. Yes, I was in a

46:58

restaurant, remember? And she came up and

47:00

gave me one. I have a whole

47:02

stack of them that she keeps replenishing

47:04

here because I pass them out too.

47:07

And they say, you

47:09

matter. And

47:11

I want our listeners to know

47:13

that, that when we get

47:15

overwhelmed with our potentially insignificant place

47:17

in the universe, Or

47:19

we've got too much and not able to

47:21

do what you're talking about it in terms

47:24

of tuning out and taking care of ourselves

47:26

to remember that you matter. You

47:28

matter. And then the other

47:30

thing is you are enough. You

47:33

are enough. Just

47:35

the way you are. You

47:37

are enough. That's a powerful

47:40

one. I have a question

47:42

for you before we end. I

47:44

was a guest on the podcast. And

47:47

she asked me this question

47:49

and she sent it to me

47:51

in advance, which she really

47:53

should not have done because it

47:55

made me spiral. It

47:58

was, what would you tell your

48:00

younger self? Oh boy. And

48:02

I was thinking, my

48:04

younger self wouldn't listen to a

48:06

damn thing. My

48:10

older self said and I

48:12

was like well, that's really not

48:14

and that's a non answer

48:16

Samantha So I was trying to

48:18

really think about it what

48:20

I would tell my younger self

48:22

and I kept coming back

48:24

to don't let fear stop you

48:26

Exactly take more chances. Yeah,

48:28

right do do more stuff. Don't

48:30

worry about money and what

48:32

other people think Yeah, no do

48:34

be do you remember that? piece

48:37

that was written I think eventually

48:39

they found out it was written by

48:41

a man whose name I can't

48:43

remember at the moment for a while

48:45

it was considered to be anonymous

48:48

and it was if I had my

48:50

life to live over dot dot

48:52

dot I would pick more daisies and

48:54

that's exactly what I would answer

48:56

that is I would not behave so

48:58

well all the time. Did

49:01

you behave so well all the

49:03

time Deb? No, Samantha, I didn't, but

49:05

but I would behave even if

49:07

the stories you and Joel tell make

49:09

me just want to get in

49:11

a time machine and know you guys.

49:15

Way back then. Oh,

49:18

you know, you just got to listen to

49:20

Neil Young. That's all I know to tell you

49:22

about that. But anyway, the reason why I

49:24

asked that is because I think I would change

49:26

that answer now. To

49:28

what you just said, you are

49:30

enough. You're enough. I

49:33

love that. And it's a great way to

49:35

finish up. And I don't know that

49:37

I ever got that message when I was younger. Oh,

49:40

I know. I didn't. I know. I didn't either.

49:42

you kidding me? I heard the

49:45

metaphorical symbolic whip going, keep going, keep going.

49:47

You could do more. You could be better.

49:49

You got an A. You can get an

49:51

A plus. Right. Exactly. Me too.

49:54

So we are enough. Our

49:57

listeners are enough. And

49:59

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50:01

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50:04

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50:06

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