4:00

see in these symbols and these

4:02

higher images and ideas. That makes

4:04

sense. Yes, very visual, very visual

4:06

in many ways. And

4:10

then also, but I found that working

4:14

in three dimensions with

4:16

interior design, for instance,

4:19

we had to make furniture. We

4:21

had to think about why

4:23

a chair. Why would someone

4:25

make a chair? But

4:28

it makes you very grounded. It's

4:31

practical thinking. It's not fine art where

4:33

you're just drawing an abstract

4:36

painting or something. It's grounded,

4:39

practical ideas coming into

4:41

the world of form. And

4:44

that's the way I've always thought

4:46

about my work, is accessing things

4:48

from higher realms, translating

4:50

them into common

4:54

sense. Like how

4:56

would you explain this to

4:58

a beginner? And I

5:00

would put myself in that framework and

5:02

then talk to myself, how

5:04

would this be? Yeah,

5:08

that seems to be your talent

5:10

is taking huge concepts like frequency

5:12

and intuition and putting them into

5:15

practical terms that people can

5:17

understand and learn from. So in

5:19

order to do that, to meld

5:21

that kind of cosmic higher consciousness

5:23

notion of frequency, and we'll get

5:25

into what it actually means in

5:28

a few minutes and bring it

5:30

down into practical terms, your

5:32

work is such a gift of that. Thank you

5:35

for it. Oh, thank you. Thank you for noticing.

5:37

I remember

5:39

when I first started writing, I had

5:41

read a book called I Am That by

5:44

Sri Nisargadatta, and I'm not big on

5:46

gurus or anything, but there was something

5:48

about the way they were

5:50

interviewing this man and

5:53

saying something about his

5:55

words carried the energy

5:58

of the truth. of what he

6:00

was saying. It was like not shallow words

6:02

that were on the surface. There was something

6:05

behind them, and I thought, I

6:08

want to be able to do that. I

6:10

want to represent what

6:13

I'm feeling and knowing in the

6:15

rhythm of the words or what

6:18

I choose to say. So

6:21

I had little post-it notes up on the thing

6:23

like, each sentence should be a jewel.

6:25

It reminds me of being careful with your words.

6:30

And words have frequency. That's right.

6:32

They certainly do. I remember

6:34

a thousand years ago, the very first

6:36

psychic I ever saw, I could still

6:39

hear it in her voice when she

6:41

said to me, be careful with your

6:43

words. People will believe you. Yes.

6:46

And that is a huge responsibility,

6:48

isn't it? Yes. Yes. You

6:51

know, there's all this fake news and everything.

6:53

And who knows what to believe? You have

6:56

to feel your intuition in order to get

6:58

at what's really true. So okay, I'm

7:01

back to what you were going to say next.

7:03

So I 100% agree. And you

7:05

can feel when someone's authentic or when they're

7:07

just spouting off. That's so, so true. Tell

7:10

us how you define frequency and

7:13

is it the same as your

7:15

vibration? Well, frequency is a

7:17

huge term. And I think

7:19

it has a lot to do with sine

7:22

waves, you know, with a repeating kind of

7:24

vibration that has a high and a

7:27

low. And it goes through

7:29

repetitions. And it can be even

7:31

and it can be uneven, it

7:33

could be syncopated, it could be

7:35

high, you know, really smooth looking,

7:37

or it can be very jagged

7:39

looking. But those

7:42

frequencies translate into

7:45

states of being, into

7:47

bodily felt experiences,

7:49

into different kinds of emotions,

7:52

low frequency emotions, you

7:54

know, depression, fear, anxiety,

7:58

worry, those kinds of

8:00

things are jaggedy, lower

8:02

frequencies. And then

8:04

it translates into thought

8:07

and the way we perceive things. So

8:11

lower frequency thoughts are retribution

8:14

and jealousy and defending

8:17

yourself constantly. Whereas

8:20

the higher frequency things are much

8:22

smoother and they take you farther

8:25

out into understanding. And

8:27

they give you insights that

8:29

are based on things like

8:31

love and generosity and gratitude

8:33

and wisdom, not

8:36

fear based to self-defensiveness and

8:39

aggression on others, not

8:41

polarization. So

8:44

we feel it every day and we

8:49

live through sequences of frequencies all

8:51

day long and even all night

8:53

long in our dreams. You

8:55

know, we may be processing out something

8:57

scary and we have a nightmare. But

9:01

it's all evolutionary, I think,

9:04

anything that we experience.

9:06

The brain wavelengths like

9:08

beta, alpha, beta, delta,

9:10

gamma, the beta waves

9:12

are very jaggedy and

9:14

close up together. And that's our

9:16

normal daily consciousness. And you

9:19

would think that the more fast they go

9:21

like that, the higher the frequency, but it's

9:23

just the opposite. So

9:25

as you get into the longer,

9:27

slower waves like theta and

9:29

delta, like when you're

9:32

in deep sleep and you're out in

9:34

the dream world, man, you're in delta

9:36

and you're accessing a lot of higher

9:38

consciousness then. It's like you are that

9:40

consciousness then. And as

9:43

you come back toward the physical world in the

9:45

morning, you slow down

9:47

and you get into this fragmented

9:49

world of body and space and

9:51

other people over there and everything

9:54

kind of buzzing and

9:56

we go back into beta. I think

9:58

we do that all day long. we

10:00

shift ourselves in and out through these

10:03

frequencies. You'll be here talking

10:05

and then you'll space out and then

10:07

you come back and you've accessed something. We do

10:09

it all the time, but we

10:11

don't notice it. So everything vibrates,

10:13

right? I mean, if

10:16

you can feel your emotions and your

10:18

thoughts vibrating at different frequencies and what

10:20

that turns into, the

10:22

frequency causes the

10:24

body to get sick or

10:27

to be healthy or to

10:29

be happy or to be troubled. Then

10:32

you can look around you and you can

10:34

see a healthy plant versus an unhealthy plant.

10:37

The frequency is different. You

10:39

can read people who are in alignment

10:41

with their own self and soul and

10:44

they feel so harmonious and easy to

10:46

be with versus ones that

10:48

are caught up in ego and they

10:51

feel challenging and you don't feel comfortable

10:53

with them. It's part of our world,

10:55

right? So let me ask

10:57

you a question about what you're just talking about. You're

11:00

right that we have a natural vibration of

11:02

what you call a home

11:04

frequency and that's the way your

11:06

soul feels, the kind

11:09

of gorgeous bright frequency that

11:11

babies radiate. This

11:13

is covered over with emotional and

11:15

mental clutter as you go through

11:17

your life, you say. You

11:21

can uncover and let it shine anytime

11:23

you want. How do you do

11:25

that? Well, first you have

11:27

to recognize that you have a home frequency, that

11:30

just feeling upset about the world and

11:32

trying to feel happy is not normal.

11:36

If you send her back into

11:38

your home frequency, this is the

11:40

basically soul in the body, soul

11:42

in the personality. I

11:45

am a soul. I'm here.

11:47

I don't have a soul, like a possession

11:49

that's out there somewhere. I'm

11:51

it and I'm here.

11:53

I incarnated and I am creating

11:56

this personal reality or

11:58

personality. out

12:00

of how much of my

12:02

soul force can get through the amounts

12:06

of fear that I still hold. I

12:09

think about it as like a colander or

12:11

a sieve, but it's upside down over us,

12:14

and the holes are where we have

12:16

love and we've cleared ourselves, and that's

12:18

where our soul comes through

12:20

and can make our personality. The dark

12:22

spots where it's solid are the fear

12:25

places that don't

12:28

allow our love and wisdom to

12:31

radiate through the personality and

12:33

cause us to choose better

12:35

thoughts, better choices. A

12:38

lot of our process is getting clear

12:41

of the fear spots, understanding

12:43

why they're there and saying, oh, that's silly,

12:45

I don't need that, that's not even real

12:48

to me, and then they open

12:50

up and we get more soul force. This

12:52

is part of our process on earth

12:54

right now is this clearing of ourselves,

12:57

this purification in a way of

12:59

ourselves by dissolving fears. But

13:03

I think that the home

13:05

frequency, and

13:08

it evolves too. When

13:10

you first notice it, it's the way

13:12

you feel most deeply comfortable, and

13:15

that doesn't mean telling lies in order to

13:17

feel safe. It means really

13:19

liking yourself, really being fully

13:21

present in the moment and

13:23

noticing and not judging things.

13:26

Everybody has a different way to sense it. Sometimes

13:29

it's a textural thing or

13:31

a certain emotion, like cheerfulness was the

13:34

way I started. I

13:36

always felt good about myself when I felt cheerful.

13:39

Then I started to feel

13:41

like, oh, what about melting butter feels

13:44

good or pink and gourish sweater? I

13:48

could be able to tune

13:50

back into it by creating

13:52

these little light switches

13:54

to turn on. I've

13:56

asked other people and when a dancer

13:58

I knew, she said she'd felt like a

14:00

figure eight flow, that she was just going left

14:02

to right, moving and fluid.

14:05

And that was her feeling that got

14:08

her back into her centered state of

14:11

her, and I call us your preferred state.

14:13

When you can recognize how you like

14:16

to feel, sometimes I think of

14:18

playing with puppies, or something,

14:20

a baby smiling at you. It

14:23

puts you into this natural return

14:25

to self. And

14:27

that has to be practiced. You

14:29

have to be in a bad mood and then come back to this

14:31

and say, wait, this is the one I prefer. Run

14:34

with it for a while. So

14:36

what does that practice look like? It first requires

14:39

that we notice what we're noticing. That's

14:43

a mindfulness practice, but to me it's

14:45

a perceptual practice. There's

14:48

a part of us inside that causes us

14:50

to notice certain things and not others. And

14:54

there's messages in those noticings. So

14:57

when you go off track and you

14:59

get into a snit, or you're upset

15:01

about something, stop right there

15:03

and notice, look what my energy is

15:05

doing right now. I contracted. I'm

15:09

contracted and I don't feel free. I

15:11

don't have freedom practicing not

15:13

liking things and being negative.

15:16

This is not me. Leave

15:19

it. Come back to center to

15:21

where you feel that you do like yourself,

15:24

like you're enjoying life, back

15:26

to home frequency again

15:28

and again and again until it

15:30

becomes quite easy to just recenter

15:32

again. Because what you

15:35

pay attention to is what actually

15:37

starts materializing in your personal reality

15:39

because attention causes energy to slow

15:41

down and

15:43

come into form. When

15:46

you get bored and take attention out

15:48

of something, it causes the form to

15:50

kind of go off and dissolve. So

15:53

that's the art that we're learning to

15:55

do, is to place attention on what

15:57

we prefer. which

16:00

is closer to who we really are, rediscovering

16:04

and remembering, who are we really?

16:06

We're spiritual beings having

16:09

an experiment on earth. I

16:13

have a question about that. So I have

16:15

friend in our friend group and she's lovely

16:17

and kind and wonderful to all of us,

16:21

but we call her our little ring cloud

16:23

because she's kind of a little

16:25

bit negative, right? Like we went to a party

16:27

at a friend's house, she lives in a beautiful

16:29

house on the water and she was like, and

16:31

we were all like oohing and awwing, like, isn't

16:33

this gorgeous? And her response was,

16:35

I wouldn't want to clean it and what if

16:38

a hurricane comes, you know, that type of thing

16:40

always just says something like that. And

16:43

I meditated when we started becoming friends

16:45

years ago and I asked my guides,

16:47

you know, about it. And he said,

16:50

that's how she feels safe in the world. And

16:53

so I wonder, is that her

16:56

home frequency or is

16:58

that one of the layers she's put over

17:00

her home? Yeah, that's one of the layers.

17:02

She hasn't gotten to her home frequency yet.

17:06

It's one of the layers that she's

17:08

thinking that she's unsafe in the

17:10

world. So she might as well

17:12

side with the negativity and,

17:14

you know, do it before it can

17:16

happen, you know, like

17:18

anticipated ahead of time, right?

17:21

And then she'll feel prepared

17:23

already if anything happens. But

17:27

she's continuing to create other

17:29

negative things by paying attention

17:31

that way. But

17:34

when you allow yourself to feel the way

17:36

you really love to feel, like, what

17:38

an incredibly lucky person

17:40

I am that I have this ability

17:43

to be connected with the ocean or

17:45

with the sky or, you

17:47

know, whatever it is and

17:50

receive energies from this and give

17:52

gratitude back. Okay, well,

17:54

there she's in her home frequency. What

17:57

happens to our home frequencies

17:59

when we're around someone like

18:01

that. Does

18:03

our frequency go up and down when we're

18:05

around? Yeah, it depends on

18:08

how far along you are because

18:10

in the early stages, we

18:12

tend to frequency match with

18:15

what's around us. And I

18:17

think it's a survival mechanism, partly

18:19

agreement means we won't get beat

18:22

up or hurt. So

18:25

we kind of equate sometimes love

18:27

with agreement. And it may be

18:29

codependent a little bit or something.

18:32

And this is an unconscious thing.

18:34

It's a tribal thing, if you

18:36

think about it. If everybody's picking

18:39

up on negativity in the group,

18:41

like we better be careful, something's

18:43

coming, a storm or an

18:46

invasion or something, then

18:48

we all get that and we all

18:50

move into action together. So

18:54

we tend to unconsciously match

18:56

negativity or negative people, even

18:59

though we don't want to, but we

19:01

tend to drop our frequency to where they

19:03

are. Now,

19:05

teachers often will drop

19:08

frequency in order to reach people

19:11

who aren't quite ready

19:14

yet, who need to feel safer before they

19:16

can open up. That's, I

19:18

think, an early stage of teaching

19:20

because as you go along, you

19:23

start letting the field of your own energy,

19:25

you encompass other people and you let them

19:27

be in it and live in it for

19:29

a little while and let them have the

19:31

choice of noticing it and

19:34

feeling it and maybe wanting it and

19:36

activating it in themselves. You're

19:38

not trying to get them to do

19:40

anything. So you give people

19:45

free will more and more, I think, as

19:47

you evolve as a teacher. And

19:50

we can be healers just by walking

19:52

around in this home frequency field of

19:55

joyful, happy, respectful,

20:00

energy and including

20:02

other people in our field. I

20:05

love that. I want to talk about the nine

20:07

stages of that evolution that you talked about in

20:09

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and terms apply. Welcome

23:03

back everyone. We're talking with Penny

23:05

Pierce and she has just reissued

23:08

her book frequency. In

23:10

your book, you write about the

23:12

nine stages in a process of

23:14

evolution that we're all going through.

23:16

And you say that these stages

23:18

have both positive and difficult emotional

23:20

aspects. How can

23:22

we maintain a positive frequency through these

23:25

phases? And are there

23:27

ways we can recognize what phase we're in? I know

23:29

that's a big question, but if you could just

23:31

touch up on that. I think

23:33

that if I can kind of recall

23:35

the phases as I can in summary,

23:38

what's happening on the planet right now

23:40

is that a lot of energy is

23:42

coming into the planet from who knows

23:44

where. And it's raising

23:46

the frequency of the planet itself. So

23:49

therefore it's raising the frequency of our bodies,

23:51

which are made of earth and

23:53

then of everything in us because

23:56

more spiritual force is coming into

23:58

the world. and we're

24:00

starting to recognize that their

24:03

spirit is actually inside matter.

24:06

Heaven is not out there somewhere. It's

24:09

right here with us in the same

24:11

present moment with

24:13

everything else. In our present

24:15

moment are millions of frequencies, and

24:18

what we place our attention on is what

24:20

our reality becomes. So

24:23

that's kind of dawning on us, but

24:26

as we realize that everything

24:29

is becoming very rapid, what

24:31

happens is that in

24:34

the body there's really no

24:36

low frequency level left where we could

24:38

store our subconscious fears. We used to like,

24:40

oh, I don't want to think about

24:42

that now. Let's push it down and

24:44

suppress it. And it goes

24:46

into sometimes even the lower part of the

24:48

body or down into wherever

24:51

your subconscious memories are stored.

24:54

But that level has increased in frequency.

24:56

So the old fears can't stay there,

24:58

and it's kind of like popcorn popping

25:00

up. And all these old wounds

25:03

and fears are coming up into the

25:06

conscious mind right now. So

25:08

into daily life, repeating situations,

25:11

repeating that you thought you had gotten

25:14

rid of. No, they're coming up again

25:16

because you need to face them and

25:19

understand them. And then they clear when

25:21

you realize who you really are. So

25:24

you view them from your home frequency, and

25:26

then they can clear. And then you

25:28

have more light coming through your sieve. So

25:33

that's happening, but when it starts to happen for

25:35

a lot of people, they don't want to feel

25:37

that stuff. So they try to resuppress it, push

25:40

it back down again. And there are a lot

25:42

of reactionary behaviors that come in with that. And

25:45

there's a kind of a fortification,

25:47

almost like the ego does not

25:49

want to let go of the

25:51

way it's created your reality. It

25:54

doesn't want to have to change. And

25:56

so there are a lot of defensive behaviors. Or

26:00

even things like addictions or things

26:02

where you avoid thinking about things.

26:05

You leave your body, you go unconscious, or

26:07

you get very highly defensive about

26:09

what you do and don't

26:12

criticize me. Things like

26:14

that come up. We see that a

26:16

lot. Then there's a period

26:18

where eventually you start

26:20

seeing that when you retrench and

26:23

clench yourself, energy can't flow,

26:26

and you start to feel

26:28

pretty bad. You can

26:30

get sick. You can have accidents.

26:32

The energy backs up and implodes

26:35

or explodes or does

26:37

things to try to free

26:39

itself. We start to see that a

26:42

lot of those structures, those old

26:44

structures that we've lived with, are

26:46

not working like old forms of

26:48

government, old forms of business, like

26:51

hierarchies. They don't work anymore. Flat

26:54

structures work where people are equal.

26:56

Things are shifting into a higher

26:58

frequency way of functioning. But

27:01

first, things have to break down.

27:03

It's a step in evolution. When

27:06

that happens, it

27:08

really brings up a lot of fear to

27:11

learn to live without a lot of

27:13

structure and definition by

27:15

working with intuition, with

27:18

the right brain and not the left brain. As

27:23

you practice that, and this is

27:25

really the whole intuition development process.

27:28

You see that when you let go and

27:30

let energy flow and you trust the flow,

27:32

that things improve. As

27:35

you get clear, things are easier.

27:37

Life works better. No struggle. Things

27:40

that used to be troublesome

27:42

are easier now. They just

27:44

don't stop you. That includes

27:46

things like karma that we

27:48

bring in. Now, as

27:50

the energy is very, very high on the

27:53

planet, I'm finding a lot of people feeling

27:55

that they don't have their karma anymore. They

27:57

noticed it. They

28:00

don't need to be reminded about

28:02

it. They've already cleared that from

28:04

themselves and it's dropped. And then

28:06

what happens is that you really

28:08

do relax and trust

28:11

and open up. And now

28:13

comes a lot of soul

28:15

presence through your personality, through

28:17

your mind, through your feelings,

28:19

and emotions almost disappear. And

28:22

they become, for sensitivity, empathy,

28:25

almost like ultra sensitivity,

28:28

where we're being able to

28:30

just read energy, energy information.

28:32

In the highest state, they

28:34

become actually states of being,

28:36

like sweetness, or

28:39

generosity, or gratitude. These kinds of

28:41

things are not emotions. They're

28:44

states of being that are actually composed of

28:46

other kinds of states of being. And then

28:48

it feels good when you let go and

28:50

you start validating that habit. And

28:53

now you start to re-emerge back

28:55

into the world, almost like the

28:57

Phoenix from the fire,

28:59

where you realize gifts

29:01

that you've had, that you're good at

29:03

certain things that you didn't realize you

29:06

were good at, that you have latent

29:08

talents, and you feel

29:10

like contributing and helping others. And

29:12

this is almost where your sense

29:15

of life purpose really starts to

29:17

register and that you know,

29:19

yes, this is the way I am. This is the

29:21

way I've always been. I love this. And

29:24

I can do it. I get to do it now

29:26

in this life. And it's wonderful. We've

29:28

been at a lot with our listeners, aren't we Deb?

29:30

We're getting a lot of emails about people saying, I'm

29:33

finding more of my soul purpose. I didn't

29:35

know I was connected to this world of

29:37

intuition. It's exciting to see.

29:39

Yeah, it is. And it's so

29:42

almost like relieving. It's

29:45

like a relief to remember who we

29:47

really are and that all this fear-based

29:49

behaviors that we've had in the physical

29:52

world, because we've thought of it

29:54

as a place of pain and suffering, rather

29:57

than a place where we can practice our

29:59

creativity. to create realities

30:01

from our attention and our

30:03

thoughts and frequencies. You

30:06

know, this is, we're all mini-creators, you

30:08

know, happening now. Being able

30:10

to shift things with

30:12

our thoughts and with our focus,

30:15

without willpower, but

30:17

through the power of cooperation with

30:19

all beings. And this is where

30:22

our consciousness is headed. And so

30:24

I think I say here at

30:26

the end that relationship, family, and

30:28

group experiences become revolutionized. We

30:31

have a sort of a convening of,

30:35

like it's an experience I've been feeling lately

30:37

where when you're in your home frequency and

30:39

other people are in theirs, we're

30:42

all kind of focused on soul,

30:44

soul-based identity

30:46

and self-expression. And

30:49

we show up in each other's fields because

30:52

we match frequencies. And

30:54

they are people who understand

30:57

you and it's

30:59

your soul group almost, you know,

31:01

it's people who have

31:03

pieces of a puzzle that want

31:05

to go together into often a

31:07

larger sort of project or work

31:09

or we're helping

31:12

each other become clear so each one of

31:14

us can do our part in the world.

31:16

And it's not a mission, you know, it's

31:18

more like this is what I love to

31:21

do and now I get to

31:23

do it and everybody's helping me and I'm helping

31:25

them. Is that what you mean

31:27

when you say we're going from the age

31:29

of information to the intuitive age? Yeah,

31:32

in a way it's the information

31:34

age is so much based on

31:36

the left brain and its ability

31:38

to analyze,

31:40

organize, define,

31:42

make systems and structures

31:45

and rules in that

31:47

world, you know, it's like computer programming, you

31:50

know, it's like A, B, C, D, E,

31:52

you know, you've got to do it in

31:54

the right order or it doesn't happen. And

31:56

as we move to the right brain and

31:58

intuition we realize there is access

32:00

to all knowledge. Everything

32:02

is there. We're immersed in

32:05

wisdom and love and

32:08

it's ours for the taking

32:10

just for place your attention on it and

32:12

you can have it. You know,

32:14

there's no negativity. So

32:17

let me ask you a question Penny. I

32:20

have been writing about and teaching about the

32:22

notion of connectedness and non-hierarchical

32:25

thinking. Yeah. And

32:27

I see glimmers of hope for that way

32:30

of thinking I do. But

32:32

as you were talking and when you got to

32:34

talking about fear, I think that's

32:37

one of the biggest challenges

32:41

of living and working in the world

32:43

in the way that you're describing is

32:46

there's fear and distrust and

32:48

so forth. How do we create our

32:51

frequencies and

32:54

connection of our frequencies in such

32:56

a way that we help

32:59

alleviate fear? First

33:03

of all, it's a real strong

33:05

commitment to live in your home

33:07

frequency. And that home

33:09

frequency is actually a state of being. How

33:13

do I want my life to feel? I want

33:16

to be this way in my life. And

33:18

this is a choice. It's not an idea

33:20

that you flutter around with and say, well,

33:22

maybe it'll happen. No, I'm

33:25

choosing my reality

33:27

to be based on this

33:30

feeling state that

33:33

I know and I experience. And

33:36

anytime I get out of it, I'm going to drop

33:38

that. I'm going to come back to it because I

33:40

am focusing my full

33:42

attention on this state. And

33:44

this is my reality. And

33:47

it is my future. Because

33:50

the future is now in the present moment.

33:53

Time is changing. The past

33:55

is in the present moment. All

33:58

of that can be affected by what you choose. choose

34:00

in the moment. You can heal

34:02

your past by doing

34:04

this. So

34:06

when you choose, totally

34:08

choose that present moment state, and

34:10

then you encounter people who are

34:12

still in the fear state, and

34:14

in that polarized or us

34:17

versus them, or I've got an inside, but

34:19

the outside world is so huge that I

34:21

can't defend myself from it. And it's dangerous.

34:24

Go back and recreate your reality

34:27

at this level. And

34:29

either what happens is the people who are in

34:31

fear will not see you yet.

34:34

They can't see you. You will

34:36

only be noticed by people who are at

34:38

your close to your frequency level. And

34:41

when you need attention, it will

34:43

come from that level. Meanwhile,

34:45

include the people who are instilling fear

34:47

in your field, and let them have

34:50

the chance to feel what it feels

34:52

like to be less

34:55

cluttered. Right,

34:57

and then they will choose it too. But

35:02

you know, what is it that all

35:05

we have to fear is fear itself, it's

35:07

it's we can

35:09

choose to have it not really be a reality

35:11

for us. And then it's like

35:13

we're draining the air out of the puffed up

35:16

balloon, you know, like, that

35:18

big reality that believes in everything

35:20

is negative and bad and fearful.

35:22

And, you know, like,

35:24

it's just why add energy to

35:26

it with your attention. And

35:29

so pretty soon things transfer over

35:32

and your reality changes, then

35:34

you get together with other people who

35:36

are doing that. And their realities also

35:38

shifting into this other place. And now

35:41

you get group mind group consciousness, which

35:43

then becomes more powerful to attract other

35:45

people into it, or allow

35:48

them to feel it, so they can

35:51

choose for themselves. So

35:53

it's very tempting.

35:56

When I first thought, you know, that I

35:59

might live in a fascist society, it's like

36:01

I had my own solar flares. Like, oh,

36:03

my books will be banned. You know, like,

36:05

and then I said, No, wait, I'm just

36:07

this is flaring out of me so I

36:10

can see it. So I don't have to

36:12

put energy into it. I don't know if

36:14

that answers your question. It did. Thank you.

36:16

That's exactly where I was going. Okay. For

36:18

that. So clearing these,

36:21

these layers that are holding us back

36:23

from our home frequency is really about

36:26

recognizing it, just giving it that attention,

36:28

that space and time that it needs.

36:31

Right? Recognizing it, and

36:34

then choosing, well, that's not the way I

36:36

like to feel. And

36:38

whose information was this anyway, maybe

36:41

my mother's, or father's or,

36:43

you know, or my teacher in

36:45

third grade or whatever. And

36:48

that's not the way I choose. And

36:51

every time you take attention out of something,

36:54

remember, it starts dissolving

36:57

and goes back into the field to

36:59

become neutral energy again, that can be

37:01

repatterned anything else. Is that

37:04

why I don't want to misquote you, but I heard

37:06

you say once that you think

37:09

practicing mindfulness is more important

37:11

than practicing meditation. Is that

37:13

true? Did I hear you

37:15

correctly? Not exactly. I

37:17

think that we can practice this mindfulness

37:20

of noticing what you notice during

37:22

the day while we're awake, even maybe

37:24

at night while we're dreaming, if you

37:26

can have lucid dreaming. And

37:29

it is a way of meditating while

37:32

you're awake, you know, and moving

37:34

around. But also, I

37:36

think there's great benefit to

37:38

getting very, very quiet, and

37:41

stop all the thinking and the left brain

37:43

commotion and the analyzing and the interpreting and

37:45

all this stuff that we do when

37:48

we're awake, to be

37:50

able to just be the being. Because

37:53

that power of the being is

37:57

almost unfathomable. Like

38:00

I got into it by accident the other day

38:02

and I felt like I was out in a

38:04

black void with no stars and no love and

38:06

nothing. And I felt, and

38:09

then I suddenly realized, wait a

38:11

minute, this is very powerful, quiet

38:13

state, almost like a velvety, dark,

38:16

purpley, black state that was so

38:18

beautiful. And it was

38:20

dissolving away from me stuff

38:24

I didn't need so gently. Like

38:27

it just works on you and shows you

38:30

very kindly who you really are.

38:33

And it's not about processing, right?

38:37

And so if we go into

38:39

that state, into the actual soul

38:41

being or spiritual

38:43

states, it clears

38:45

us very quickly. We

38:47

have memory of our truth

38:50

and the truth. So I say both.

38:53

I love that answer. We're gonna take

38:56

our last quick break. We'll be right back.

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Okay, welcome back. Penny, I have a question that

40:08

I think I might know the answer to after

40:10

listening to you. If you're home,

40:13

you found your home frequency, you're doing

40:15

really well, you're feeling it centered, you've,

40:17

you know, you're, you're clearing all of that off of

40:19

you, and then something happens.

40:22

You have a health crisis or your partner

40:24

gets laid off from work or you find

40:27

out you have to move. Does that

40:29

mean that your frequency invited that into

40:31

your life? Or is that an example

40:34

of life just happens? And

40:36

either way, how are some ways

40:38

that we can get our compass

40:40

back to that home frequency? Mm

40:42

hmm. First of all,

40:44

I think we need

40:47

to understand that everything that happens

40:49

to us is evolutionary. And

40:52

it is partly created by the

40:54

soul. And if you're involved with

40:56

other people, like a partner losing

40:59

their job, it's co created. And

41:03

not out of ignorance necessarily,

41:05

but the souls will come together

41:08

to create certain things

41:10

that wake us up even more, that

41:13

allow us maybe to exit a

41:15

bad job that where your creativity is

41:17

being squelched, or, you know,

41:20

you have negative people around you that don't

41:22

let you expand your

41:24

consciousness or your skill sets. You

41:27

know, everything is forward moving. Like

41:31

last year, I had

41:33

a sudden heart problem that

41:36

I didn't know I had, I had

41:38

no pain, nothing, and ended

41:40

up going to the ER.

41:43

And they put me in cardiac ICU, I

41:45

was having acute heart failure.

41:49

And I was like, what? You know, like,

41:51

that can't be I'm fine, you know, no, mitral

41:54

valve blew open, and you're having cardiogenic

41:56

shock and this is like, you know,

41:58

your life is in danger. I'm like,

42:01

but I feel lucky. I don't

42:03

get to get this. It seemed like

42:06

a dream. And I went through open

42:08

heart surgery. And I feel like it

42:10

was kind of a shortcut to higher

42:12

consciousness. It was, I

42:14

always felt lucky through the whole thing.

42:17

I had a great I loved the

42:19

surgeon, everything felt right. I

42:22

didn't for a minute think anything

42:24

negative. And I

42:27

came through it. And, you know, it takes a long

42:29

time to recover. And

42:31

yet I kept having these insights.

42:35

Because I think I accessed a

42:37

lot of information during the surgery.

42:39

And any kind of shift like that

42:42

is like a crack in your,

42:45

you know, your armor

42:48

or whatever, and you open up a wedge and

42:50

a lot of stuff comes through. And

42:53

so I had my life review like you would

42:55

have when you die while I was sitting on

42:57

the sofa watching TV. And I

43:00

saw a little film strip going off to my left.

43:02

I saw myself when I was three with my mother.

43:04

And you know, and I saw all

43:06

these events. And then that

43:08

I could go back into each event. And

43:10

it was still happening. And I was there. And

43:13

I and then I could leave it and it was it's

43:15

like down in the film strip. It

43:19

was so engineered

43:21

so incredibly that

43:23

it made me understand that

43:26

me the soul and all the other

43:28

souls that co created with me over

43:31

all these experiences, it was all

43:33

out of love and evolution. It was all

43:35

co created. And perfect

43:37

one experience unfolded into the next

43:40

and allowed the next so

43:42

that I was able to get to where I

43:44

needed to be easily. And

43:46

that's true for everybody. And

43:49

there are hardships that further you and there

43:51

are easy places that further you but

43:54

it is magical. And

43:56

I totally began to trust the flow after

43:59

that I was Like, I

44:01

don't have to control this and make things

44:03

happen anymore. It really opened me

44:05

up. But what I'm saying is that

44:08

difficult experiences can make

44:10

you temporarily contract and

44:13

think and worries like, oh, my books will

44:15

be banned. No. And

44:17

then what's really happening in the

44:19

inner worlds is very fortunate. I

44:22

don't know if that helps answer that. It

44:24

does. It's a beautiful perspective. And it makes

44:26

me wonder with your

44:28

home frequency being so filled with

44:31

joy and gratitude, I

44:33

wonder if you attracted the best heart surgeon

44:36

for you and the best team. Do you

44:38

know what I mean? If it works, does

44:40

it work that way? I think it does.

44:42

Yeah, I do too. Yeah, I think that

44:44

their attitude in many ways matched my attitude.

44:46

Deep down, they were the kind of people

44:49

who were on the same wavelength as part

44:51

of the convening I was talking about, how

44:53

you start meeting people who are

44:55

on your wavelength. I absolutely

44:57

love that. I'm so glad you're OK and

44:59

healed. I have a way

45:01

minor, minor story compared to that. But

45:03

it just happened this month. My

45:06

exterminator found that a little animal had taken

45:09

up a home in my crawl space and

45:11

had torn down all the stuff. So I

45:13

had to have all that redone. And

45:15

it was very expensive and time consuming. And I

45:17

was like, oh, great. And while

45:20

they were there, they found a leak

45:22

in the subfloor of my bathroom.

45:25

And he said, if you hadn't had

45:27

your crawl space redone, you never would

45:29

have found this leak. You would have

45:32

been standing in the shower and just

45:34

fallen through. Oh my gosh. And

45:36

I thought, wow. It

45:39

was just such a metaphor of how negative

45:42

experiences, and that's a minor one,

45:44

I know, but it's the one

45:46

freshest on my mind, often lead

45:48

to this realization that everything really

45:51

is working in your favor. Yes,

45:53

it is. Even though

45:55

it seems frustrating. And then

45:57

if you stay in it, it

45:59

reveals. Go ahead. And

46:01

of course, the process there

46:04

is that sometimes until we have

46:06

time and space and distance, and

46:08

can reflect, we don't see

46:10

what a gift each of those steps along

46:12

the process work. And it sounds like you

46:14

were able to do that pretty much while

46:16

you were going through the heart situation. Well,

46:19

but also, you know, after that in recovery,

46:21

where you're not allowed to drive and you

46:23

know, you can't do much, but sit on

46:26

the sofa and watch Below Deck Down Under,

46:28

you know, like get

46:30

addicted to these stupid shows. Then

46:32

they, it's surface, these things surface, they bubble

46:35

out, you know, when you're ready, you

46:37

need the spaciousness in order for

46:40

those things to surface. I

46:42

call that liminal space, you know, this space

46:44

of the threshold between the

46:47

ending of one and the beginning of a new. It's

46:50

a very caterpillar like, you know,

46:52

butterfly space, where we're

46:54

re-patterning ourselves. And I think

46:57

we have to go back to basics to do

46:59

that. Back to basics. What do

47:01

you mean by that? What I mean by that

47:03

is to just sit down. Our

47:05

listeners give me say this often so, so

47:08

they know what's getting ready to sit down

47:10

and shut up. Right.

47:14

We can't process and hear and

47:16

learn if we're still

47:18

and conscious of that.

47:21

Well, one thing to remember about what you

47:24

just said and how wise that is, is

47:26

that the left brain is language oriented. So

47:29

if you're talking to yourself in your head

47:31

or you're talking, talking out there and commenting

47:33

and you're in your left

47:35

brain, right? If you

47:38

can get quiet and shut up,

47:40

you immediately shift to the right

47:42

brain and intuition. And

47:45

if you can just stay there for a little while,

47:47

even if you dip a

47:49

bit back and you re-center yourself, now

47:53

the intuition has a chance. The

47:55

souls have a chance to bring

47:57

you the next piece of real

47:59

deep. knowledge that you need or

48:01

the insight you need. And then

48:03

if you notice what you notice,

48:06

you get it. Exactly. And you

48:08

have an awareness of that vibration.

48:11

Exactly. Yes. Yeah. And almost like

48:14

take a little energetic snapshot of

48:16

what that feels like. So you

48:18

can reenter it again. Yes,

48:20

there's a feeling state that goes

48:22

with those insights. It's tactile.

48:25

And I think we need to have,

48:28

you know, like when you

48:30

lead a meditation, you want it to not

48:32

just be visual and words saying, you know,

48:34

it needs to be tactile, like, white

48:36

light to me is like diamond

48:39

clear glossy light that smells like

48:41

you're on top of a mountain

48:43

and fresh air, you know, and

48:45

then you can feel what

48:48

that state is. Yes. Yeah.

48:51

But I think that we're all too

48:54

used to commiserating. And

48:58

going for the worst possible scenario,

49:00

and titillating ourselves with the fear,

49:02

as opposed to, oh, I

49:05

see myself wanting to do that, but I'm not

49:07

going to, I'm going to stay in my

49:09

vision of the

49:11

life that I like that I know is

49:13

possible, and I'm going to stay in it.

49:16

And it's not naive, because it has power.

49:18

That's an important distinction, because a lot of

49:20

people will say that, especially

49:22

if I say, you know, I'm not going

49:24

to jump into the the muck and mire

49:26

of that, I'm just gonna step out of

49:28

it. And, and they'll say, Oh, that's so

49:31

naive of you. So I'm glad that

49:33

that you said that it's important, right? I think for a

49:35

lot of people to hear. It's

49:37

as you get used to understanding the

49:39

power of the actual being state, where

49:42

there's no action, no agenda, no

49:46

heroism necessarily. You

49:51

can go into that state and that

49:53

the field itself will change

49:55

things. The collective

49:57

consciousness of all beings is the

50:00

flow to me. And

50:02

we together nudge other

50:05

flows here and there, send a

50:07

little telepathic idea in here and

50:09

there, and things get rerouted.

50:13

So things can shift and

50:15

change without necessarily high drama.

50:17

So Penny, let me ask two more

50:19

questions as we're wrapping up here. Yeah.

50:22

One is, if you could

50:24

summarize what

50:26

really is the primary

50:29

message, particularly of the new

50:31

edition of your

50:34

book, what would that be? And then

50:36

tell people how they can connect with

50:38

you and access

50:40

your materials. Oh yeah. I

50:43

think that the book is talking a lot

50:45

about really understanding

50:47

yourself as a being made

50:49

of energy and consciousness. And

50:51

consciousness and energy have frequencies.

50:54

And by working

50:57

with attention, you

50:59

can work with frequency dynamics

51:01

to shift things for the

51:03

better by clearing

51:06

and choosing light, the

51:08

soul, the collective, rather

51:10

than the ego and isolation,

51:12

for instance. And

51:15

that especially now as the frequency,

51:17

especially I feel like it's gone

51:20

hugely accelerated since last December.

51:23

And so much has

51:26

been coming through wave after wave

51:28

after wave of higher intensity energy

51:31

that we need to take naps to let

51:33

our body adjust to it or something. That

51:36

we will adjust, we will embrace it,

51:39

we will integrate it. And as you

51:41

do, new insights come to you about

51:43

how life works or what you

51:45

don't need anymore, it just falls away. So what's

51:48

happening, this new edition, I'm trying to

51:50

explain that. I wrote a whole new

51:53

chapter at the end. It's like what's

51:55

going on now. It's still

51:57

happening. It's one of the key

51:59

things. about life and

52:01

about enlightenment. That is

52:03

really, it keeps me fascinated.

52:07

I'm going to keep finding

52:09

ways to take each of those

52:11

new signs or symptoms of the new

52:13

consciousness that's coming in. I

52:16

think I'm going to chunk it and say,

52:18

well, what about how are you losing your

52:20

identity these days? Do

52:23

you not care about it so much? There

52:26

are so many of these that are happening. I'd

52:29

like people to know what they might be

52:31

going through. There are things happening to all

52:33

of us at some level, and

52:36

we're not going crazy. Thank

52:38

you for that. Yeah. My

52:42

daughters were telling me there was something going viral

52:44

on TikTok. I think in the spring, so it

52:46

makes sense with what you were saying, it's called

52:48

the 3 p.m. girl slump. Have you guys heard

52:50

of this? Yeah. Yeah. Three and five, you just

52:53

need a nap? Yeah. I was

52:55

thinking to my daughters, you're so

52:57

young, you don't need a nap, but it

52:59

makes sense with what you're saying. It's energetic.

53:02

It's very much energetic. Yeah.

53:04

Because when you get your left brain out of the

53:06

way, and that could be a walk

53:08

in nature without headphones

53:10

and podcasts blaring in your ears,

53:13

just plain walking in nature. The

53:17

same thing, you're in your

53:19

other state of mind, which

53:22

allows integration. But if you're

53:24

still working and processing

53:27

and figuring out, no,

53:29

the energy can't get through that, it's

53:31

too dense. So we might think of

53:33

ourselves as how much density do we

53:35

feel in ourselves right now and how

53:38

much spaciousness. I love that.

53:40

Yeah. So what are you working on

53:42

now? Are you working on

53:44

a new project? They're updating all

53:46

my books right now, and transparency

53:49

is coming out in paperback finally.

53:52

That is one of the really good books about

53:55

what's going to happen when we do get

53:57

clear, and how will life feel. But I've

53:59

also- finished a book on high-frequency

54:02

money, so about money

54:05

and transformation and really having a different

54:07

look at it in terms of how

54:09

we hold it and work with it. So

54:13

it needs its rounds of editing at this

54:15

point, but it'll be the next piece that

54:18

comes out. And the other thing

54:20

is I'm writing quite a bit on sub-stack now

54:23

under my pages called Becoming

54:25

Transparent exclamation point. I'm finding

54:27

that's a really nice platform.

54:30

Yeah, I have a sub-stack too and I love

54:32

that. It's wonderful. I know, it's great. Me too.

54:35

And it builds community in an interesting

54:37

way and I think we're all

54:39

wanting people on our wavelength

54:42

now to be able to compare notes with

54:45

and to see what we

54:47

think is happening or to put us

54:49

back in the right perspective. So

54:52

I feel that's happening. It's a big theme

54:55

now. Are you going to

54:57

be updating the intuitive way? That's such

54:59

a fantastic one. Not the content so

55:01

much, but the cover has been redesigned.

55:03

It's really cool looking. They wanted the

55:05

branding of all the covers to be

55:07

similar. And so that's

55:10

shifting. Our friend Joel,

55:12

who is a crystallologist, that's one of

55:14

his favorite books. He loves the intuitive

55:16

way. I

55:19

open them. I can't remember that I wrote these

55:21

things. It's like I think, well,

55:24

that's useful. I could use that.

55:29

So tell us, tell folks how they

55:31

can find your work and find you,

55:33

Penny. Yeah, best way is to just

55:35

look on my website, which is my

55:38

name. But of course, my name is

55:40

spelled funny. It's P-E-N-N-E-Y and then last

55:42

name P-E-I-R-C-E. All my books are on

55:44

there. I have online courses

55:47

on there. I have an

55:49

Oracle page, like all kinds of free

55:51

stuff that will lead you to other

55:53

things. And we'll put all

55:55

this information in the show notes. And I'm on

55:58

Instagram and YouTube and stuff too. So

56:00

there are videos and audio stuff

56:03

on SoundCloud. Thank you so much for coming

56:05

on. Such a pleasure to get to meet

56:07

you after we've been reading your work all

56:09

these years. Well, thank you for inviting me

56:11

to. Yeah, I loved reconnecting and

56:14

connecting with new people who are doing this

56:16

work. It's like, like I said,

56:18

we need each other. Yeah. Well, I think

56:20

we all needed to hear your messages today. So thank

56:22

you. And thank you, everyone,

56:24

for listening. We hope you have

56:26

a wonderful week filled with lots of high

56:28

frequency. Please remember,

56:30

as always, to be the light for

56:33

yourself and others. Take care, everyone. Thanks

57:01

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