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April 26, 2025. I'm

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5:14

Greg Canner, and this

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Reunited and it feels

5:24

so good. All right,

5:26

that's all anyone needs to hear from

5:28

me singing. Well, that was

5:30

wonderful. We're back. We are back. I can't

5:32

tell you how much I've missed this. We

5:35

missed a couple of weeks

5:37

for lots of extenuating life circumstances,

5:40

but it is awesome to see

5:42

your face and say hello

5:44

once again and chat because yeah,

5:46

it's been along like three

5:48

weeks since we actually did a

5:50

show. It has. It has,

5:52

Greg. And the feeling is mutual.

5:55

We haven't talked to each other since

5:57

before the dynasty paper view. So

5:59

we've had a pay -per -view. We've had

6:01

an announcement of going to Arena

6:03

Mexico. We've had some

6:05

awesome episodes of Dynamite. The

6:08

Owen Hart Cup tournament has

6:10

been tremendous. And

6:12

they're already leading back into setting up

6:14

some stuff for Double or Nothing.

6:16

So we got a lot to break

6:18

down here. Yeah, lot

6:20

has happened. The depressing

6:22

Mariah May news for

6:24

AW fans, for her,

6:26

I'm happy for her. Yeah,

6:29

that stuff, I

6:31

mean, yeah, a lot

6:33

has happened. They kind of

6:35

lack lusterish pay -per -view. It

6:39

wasn't awful, but it didn't have

6:41

that oomph to it that we felt

6:43

we needed. Because I remember we

6:45

were discussing what should happen. And I

6:47

was saying, I really thought it

6:49

would be smart to give Swerve the

6:51

title. They decided not to do

6:53

that and bring the box back and

6:55

do all that. That was

6:58

kind of a bummer, you know,

7:00

for me, but they have, you

7:02

know, I know what they're doing,

7:04

you know, we kind of see

7:06

the directions and so, you know,

7:08

let it play out and hope

7:10

that it pays off at the

7:12

end. Yeah, just looking

7:14

back on Dynasty a little bit,

7:16

you know, I think it just didn't.

7:18

it wasn't the same level of

7:20

AEW type of pay -per -views that we're

7:22

used to. Although it had

7:25

some good matches on there, you

7:27

know, the booking and you mentioned in

7:29

the main event with the Young Bucks

7:31

are finally back in AEW. They had

7:33

their first match on Dynamite this past

7:35

Wednesday for the first time since October.

7:38

So certainly things are being set

7:40

up in the way that I

7:42

think we really imagined they would

7:44

leading into all in coming in

7:46

this July. So John Moxley is

7:48

still the AEW World Champion. That

7:50

is until maybe when he faces

7:53

Samoa Joe, which is gonna happen

7:55

a few weeks from now in

7:57

Chicago. But I think our

7:59

- Why that gonna be in Chicago? Why

8:02

in Chicago? They're in

8:04

Detroit the week before I

8:06

have my tickets to Dynamite

8:08

in Detroit on May 7th.

8:10

And they're scheduling matches next

8:12

week. which are good and

8:14

the schedule matches for three

8:16

weeks, which are good. Come

8:19

on, Tony, where's my match, man? You

8:22

know, where's my match, man? Where's

8:24

my match? My match, man?

8:27

Well, I get the reference. I get

8:29

the reference. I hope they give

8:32

you some good stuff on there.

8:34

I mean, these past few weeks, they've

8:36

had some really great stuff announced

8:38

for the shows. I think a

8:40

lot of it though has been tied into

8:42

the tournament. And then coming up here after

8:44

the Fletcher hangman at a page match, they're

8:47

gonna be more just building

8:49

towards the pay -per -view. But I'd

8:51

assume that the... recognize that

8:53

they need to go back to

8:55

the formula that works of

8:57

having some really great matches, like

8:59

having some unique matchups on

9:01

these dynamites to really make them

9:03

worthwhile. Even though this past

9:05

Wednesday dynamite, they did very low

9:07

viewership. However, they're on max.

9:10

So it's hard to really distinguish

9:12

as to what is the

9:14

true number as to how many

9:16

people are invested in the

9:18

product right now. Yeah.

9:20

I mean, I kind of stopped

9:22

looking at the ratings for that

9:24

reason. The TV deal

9:26

is done. It's not

9:29

really something that has to

9:31

really be forefront in my mind

9:33

at least until they're newsworthy

9:35

wise, until they're ready to sign

9:37

another one. But at this

9:39

point, it's so hard to determine

9:41

who watches on Max if

9:43

you can find it on Max

9:45

and who doesn't. But it

9:47

was coming off of the best

9:49

dynamite of the year by

9:52

far two weeks ago. So

9:54

it's interesting. It's

9:56

like that's great and that got good

9:58

numbers. So why wouldn't the follow up

10:00

get good numbers? Not sure. Maybe people

10:02

were wrestling down if they watched WWE

10:04

as well and they had all that

10:06

WrestleMania stuff and they were just kind

10:08

of like, all right, I'll watch it

10:10

later in the week or maybe our

10:12

or whatever. So yeah, it just. too

10:14

much that goes on that you just

10:16

don't know about to kind of count

10:19

those numbers as gospel and viewership. But,

10:21

you know, well, it's up to them

10:23

to keep putting those good product, that

10:25

good product on the air. They have

10:27

been. If they continue, then I wouldn't

10:29

be concerned. Well,

10:31

Greg, let's back up to some

10:33

news that they had, I think it

10:35

was a week and a half

10:38

or so ago, where they announced that

10:40

they're gonna be having a show

10:42

in arena Mexico. It's gonna be AEW

10:44

Grand Slam Mexico, working with CMLL,

10:46

where that's their home, the Friday night

10:48

shows. Also, they have

10:50

announced the day before that

10:52

on June 17th, it's gonna

10:54

be an ROH and AEW

10:56

versus CMLL. just want to

10:58

get your thoughts on that,

11:00

how significant it is that

11:02

AEW is going to be

11:04

running Arena Mexico. And

11:06

it's also interesting that around the same

11:08

time, I'm not sure which announcement came

11:10

first, but WWE also

11:13

made the purchase of

11:15

AAA. which AEW

11:17

used to have a relationship

11:19

with. But now a lot of

11:21

those key people have moved

11:23

on to WWE, including Penta, Ray

11:25

Phoenix. So of

11:27

course, they wanna expand more into Mexico.

11:29

And that seems to be the strategy

11:32

for both the companies right now. Yeah,

11:35

and it's smart strategy by

11:37

both companies. It's smart strategy

11:39

by AEW to. try

11:41

to take advantage of

11:43

their international popularity. Because

11:45

you could argue that a

11:47

lot of, that they are

11:49

more popular internationally than they

11:51

are in the States, because

11:53

of the WWE effect. Now,

11:55

WWE has done a great

11:58

job going across the world

12:00

and putting shows on, but

12:02

AW has been successful in

12:04

Europe. They have been successful.

12:06

in somewhat in Australia. I

12:09

mean, yes, they didn't sell

12:11

out the stadium or sell

12:13

the stadium, but the arena

12:15

was packed when they had

12:17

their grand slam there and

12:19

the crowd was great. And

12:22

Mexico, as they've always been

12:24

friendly with Mexico through their

12:26

partnerships with AAA and now

12:28

CMLL. And you go and

12:30

showcase what you have. And

12:32

I think they have They

12:34

have the wrestling that I

12:36

think international crowds, especially Mexico

12:39

likes. The lucha, maybe

12:41

their lucha performers don't win

12:43

as much as they should,

12:45

but the style of wrestling

12:47

I think is right perfect

12:49

for the Mexican audience or

12:51

Latin America or Central America,

12:53

wherever you're gonna go. And

12:55

so branch out, go do

12:57

it. I

12:59

don't know how much money there

13:01

is to be made in Mexico, but

13:04

certainly I think that there is

13:06

a longer term strategy than just getting

13:08

into the Mexican market here. Running

13:10

Arena Mexico is a big deal, historic

13:12

venue for wrestling. AEW is trying

13:14

to hit on as many of those

13:16

historic places as they can. They've

13:18

also announced a show at the ECW

13:21

Arena where they did a little

13:23

bit of shuffling of the ROH pay

13:25

per views. So now death before

13:27

dishonor, it was originally scheduled. to be

13:29

happening around all -in weekend and now

13:31

that's being pushed off to September. So

13:34

trying to hit on a lot

13:36

of those points, but I think that

13:38

they're also recognizing that. the lucha

13:40

style and the Mexican style of wrestling

13:42

is something that's really resonating with

13:44

a lot of audiences. You're seeing more

13:47

of the promotions putting a lot

13:49

more stock into the lucha stars. And

13:51

I think that's been really a

13:53

part of the strategy for both companies

13:55

is seeing how this style mixed

13:57

with the American style can really help

13:59

to garner a lot of the

14:01

casual audience, to garner more of an

14:04

audience. It's hard to say just

14:06

the casual audience, but garner more of

14:08

an audience because you want to

14:10

show somebody some pro wrestling and they

14:12

see some of the Lucha Libre

14:14

style. And I feel in my experiences

14:16

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14:18

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14:21

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14:23

mask, the flips, the style of all

14:25

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14:27

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14:29

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14:31

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14:33

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14:36

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Yeah, and now you know and now

21:15

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21:17

know some of the lucha guys get

21:19

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21:21

Maybe to kind of build up to

21:23

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21:26

Down there. It's gonna be it's nice.

21:28

It's just it's it's nice that

21:30

both companies, you know, we're not comparing

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You know dollars and and and

21:34

popularity and attendance whatever but both companies

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in going across the world and promoting

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21:43

for wrestling in general and good

21:45

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So it's hard to argue with

21:49

any of that. And hopefully they

21:51

have a good card. They build

21:53

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21:55

be a free Wednesday night event.

21:58

So they'll go all out for it.

22:00

And then it should be fun. Well,

22:04

let's touch on some of the main

22:06

points for AEW over the last few

22:08

weeks and kind of tie it into

22:10

this past Wednesday. I

22:12

think one of the biggest things obviously

22:14

has been the Owen Hart men's cup

22:16

tournament. And that has produced

22:18

a lot of really good matches there.

22:20

Just two weeks ago, we had Will Osprey

22:22

versus Takeshita again, which I

22:24

think is going to be regarded as

22:26

like one of those great rivalries. going

22:29

back and forth between those two guys.

22:31

Takeshita really seems to be on such

22:33

a roll right now. I was really

22:35

fortunate. I got to see him on

22:37

that New Japan show against Tanahashi. And

22:39

I felt he was the best guy

22:41

to get a great match out of

22:43

Tanahashi in his last appearance in the

22:46

United States. And

22:48

this match was no exception here. Obviously

22:50

Takesha is not advancing. I don't

22:52

think that at this point in time,

22:54

he's really, he's not the focus

22:56

for the world title picture as that

22:58

seems to be really revolving around

23:01

Osprey and also with the tease of

23:03

it could be hangman at a

23:05

page as well. I think my gut

23:07

really sticks with the. the possibility

23:09

that it's going to be Osprey going

23:11

against John Moxley for that world

23:14

title. But I think that it's certainly

23:16

well deserved to create more intrigue

23:18

that hang man out of pages is

23:20

there as well. That he's somebody

23:22

who's. He's

23:24

been getting a lot more traction as

23:26

a young star that AEW tried to

23:28

go with from the start of the

23:31

promotion. He was in the first world

23:33

title match for them back in 2019. And

23:36

now he's done a lot of changing

23:38

to his character. And he's just in

23:40

a new spot here, a new spot

23:42

of confidence and a new spot of

23:44

respect for the fans. I'm

23:46

putting the cart before the horse a little

23:49

bit because he still has his match

23:51

against Fletcher. So certainly it could

23:53

go either way. which I know this is

23:55

the stuff that you love, Greg, that

23:57

it's hard to predict. It could go either

23:59

way of Hangman or Kyle Fletcher. I

24:01

don't know if you want to go with

24:03

Kyle Fletcher again so soon against Osprey, but

24:06

Hangman against Osprey for the pay -per -view

24:08

would be tremendous. So just give me

24:10

your thoughts overall on the Owen Hart

24:13

tournament. Touch on any of those things

24:15

and kind of what you've been thinking

24:17

about how that's been going on the

24:19

last few weeks. Yeah,

24:21

the men's tournament's been great. I mean,

24:23

I think that they have done

24:25

a great job, you know of the

24:27

wrestlers Making it clear that this

24:29

means something special not just, you know

24:32

the oh I get a main

24:34

event shot Which of course is is

24:36

very important should be very important

24:38

to them But but the legacy of

24:40

Owen Hart and everything it goes

24:42

through this tournament and having the trophy

24:44

there all the time It just

24:46

it puts stakes on a lot of

24:48

these matches. So they have been fired

24:51

up to try to win

24:53

all these, all the wrestlers that

24:55

were in the tournament and

24:57

have said as much and the

25:00

matches have been great. And

25:02

it's certainly leaning towards Osprey winning

25:04

it and setting up the

25:06

match with Moxley as we predicted.

25:08

I'm thinking that they're gonna

25:10

go hangman, beating Fletcher

25:12

next week because we've seen.

25:14

you know, Osprey and Fletcher

25:16

a lot in the last

25:18

handful of months. And while

25:20

it was great, you

25:22

know, the last match was that crazy cage

25:24

match that, you know, had

25:26

all sorts. And so it's hard

25:29

to top that so soon. You

25:31

know, you can keep it going.

25:33

And now I'm sure you'll have plenty

25:35

more amazing matches in the future

25:37

years. But this seems to be a

25:39

fresh, you know, I don't think

25:41

Osprey's fought Hangman before. So, you know,

25:43

you have, you have. you know,

25:45

a unique match with major stakes with

25:47

the kind of, you know, is

25:49

MJF gonna get involved in the final

25:51

or that kind of thing because

25:53

of all of the foreshadowing they've done

25:55

with MJF and Hangman as well.

25:57

So there's a lack that goes into

25:59

that. So I think that's probably

26:01

the way they've gone. But I think

26:03

the last handful of weeks has

26:05

really made dynamite and collision when they've

26:07

had the matches on collision, you

26:09

know, a intriguing watch, a good watch

26:11

and. people looking forward to

26:13

it because of these matches mistakes. Now,

26:16

let's say that it is Osprey

26:19

versus Hangman at a page. Has

26:21

Hangman's performances, reactions from the crowd, has

26:23

it swayed you in any way to

26:25

feeling that maybe he would be a

26:27

better option to go up against Moxley?

26:32

I think on paper, the

26:34

actual matchup chemistry with

26:36

Hangman and Moxley, they're similar

26:38

in the way they're

26:41

very physical. wrestlers and I'd

26:43

be curious. I

26:45

mean, Osprey obviously can get a

26:47

great match out of anybody. So an

26:49

Osprey and Moxley match would be

26:51

very good, I would expect. But

26:54

can Moxley, at this

26:56

point, keep

26:58

up, be able

27:00

to match some of

27:02

the athleticism that Osprey

27:04

has. It's interesting

27:07

dynamics. You would think that

27:09

for a championship match

27:11

with all of the stakes

27:13

and the physicality that Hangman

27:15

and Boxley might be like,

27:17

okay, that'll be a classic.

27:20

But Osprey doesn't have a bad match. But

27:22

I think they've been building Osprey from

27:24

the beginning of the year. He hasn't lost.

27:26

I remember us discussing, he had a

27:29

lot of losses last calendar year and leading

27:31

up to it and we're kind of

27:33

saying they need to kind of, as Wade

27:35

would say, get into the Osprey business. go

27:38

that route and it looks as though that's what

27:40

they've been doing. So I don't

27:42

think you can really go wrong,

27:44

but I think Osprey's been the play

27:46

the whole calendar year and I

27:48

don't think anything's changed enough where they

27:50

would, you know, opt out of

27:52

that and that goes through with it.

27:55

Yeah, I. I tend to agree

27:57

with that, that I think that that

27:59

has been the plan and Tony

28:01

seems to me is not deviating from

28:03

a lot of his plans for

28:05

all in because everything that has been

28:07

reported, everything that has been speculated

28:09

is really coming to fruition here in

28:11

late April, going into July. Sure,

28:13

you could make an argument that even though

28:15

Heyman Adam Page is from Virginia, he

28:17

still plays the kind of cowboy gimmick.

28:20

And so could that play over better

28:22

in Texas? Does that sell you anymore?

28:24

tickets I don't know you know I

28:26

think that it's it is more of

28:28

the brand but you are gonna need

28:30

some really spectacular matches that still being

28:32

a couple months out here that you

28:34

could get some people to make that

28:37

decision to. buy the tickets, get the

28:39

hotel, get the flight, do all that

28:41

stuff a little bit here in advance

28:43

and we'll know by end of May

28:45

what that main event's gonna look like.

28:47

So again, you're kind of shrinking down

28:49

that time. So you're now gonna be

28:51

looking more at people in that Dallas

28:53

area to start pulling the trigger and

28:56

then you kind of start looking at

28:58

some reduced prices of tickets and all

29:00

that stuff as well. Yeah,

29:02

and you look at it from

29:04

the booking standpoint, your

29:06

top three baby faces

29:08

right now from crowd

29:10

reactions are Osprey, Hangman,

29:12

Swerve. I think they get

29:14

the top top pops when they

29:17

come out and you could argue

29:19

Hangman is third in that as

29:21

far as reactions. Now, not like

29:23

distant third. I think he's right

29:25

up there. I think they're all

29:27

very close right now. That's

29:29

the question. If it

29:32

was overwhelmingly now, people

29:34

were hanging in crazy, then

29:36

maybe they think to throw an

29:38

audible in there, change it up, or

29:40

God forbid, do like a three -way

29:42

or something. But

29:45

I think, if

29:47

you could argue, I mean,

29:49

Osprey has the best entrance in

29:51

the song and everything else

29:53

going. But Swerve has been getting

29:55

the eruptions around, and that's why I

29:57

thought it would. to

30:00

win a few weeks ago. But

30:02

even whenever he shows up now

30:04

to go after the box, there's

30:06

a huge reaction. So again, they

30:08

can't go wrong. I don't think

30:10

those with any of those top

30:13

three, but Tony doesn't seem like

30:15

someone who would change his mind

30:17

over his original plan unless there

30:19

was a major, major switch in

30:21

crowd reaction. And I haven't seen

30:24

that major of a switch yet.

30:29

I think there's a lot of different directions

30:31

that can go with this conversation. But

30:33

I do want to touch on the debut

30:35

of Josh Alexander coming over from TNA,

30:37

spent a lot of time on the independent

30:40

scene. What were your thoughts

30:42

on his debut against Hangman at

30:44

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30:46

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30:48

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I just thought it was

38:01

okay, honestly. I did not

38:03

watch a lot of him

38:06

coming in, so I don't

38:08

know a lot. I appreciated

38:10

the announcers kind of giving

38:12

us a little bit of

38:14

a background on explaining why

38:16

he wears the headgear and

38:18

everything like that. He seems

38:20

to be a talented wrestler,

38:22

but I don't see anything

38:24

off the bat that's gonna

38:26

make him that much different

38:28

than... the Mark

38:30

Davis role. I

38:32

know he's a better wrestler

38:34

than Mark Davis, but I'm saying

38:36

that role in the Callis

38:39

family, it's almost like tough guy,

38:41

but then he'll be in

38:43

the mix. Maybe like almost Claudio

38:45

in the Death Riders in

38:47

that kind of role. I'm trying

38:49

to think of just kind

38:51

of, but I don't know. he

38:54

was fine to me. I

38:56

wasn't wowed and like, oh, this

38:58

guy's gonna be a future

39:00

star, future champion. You

39:02

know, good, fine. I

39:07

think aligning himself with the Don

39:09

Callis family is a good move because

39:11

to me, he's never come off

39:13

as this tremendous personality, great wrestler, can

39:15

do a little bit of talking

39:17

here and there. But I think that

39:19

they're really stacking the deck for

39:21

this Don Callis family, which even Taz

39:23

mentioned that there's too many guys

39:25

in the Don Callis family when we

39:27

saw the return of Trent Beretta

39:29

on collision. We also have

39:31

Rocky Romero joining the Don Callis

39:33

family. So Don is definitely adding

39:35

more. more and more to that

39:37

stable, especially with Brian Cage suffering

39:39

an injury. I think it was

39:41

a torn quad. I'm not sure

39:43

exactly when that happened. I saw

39:45

Brian Cage over WrestleMania weekend and

39:47

he seemed to be just fine.

39:50

So I'm not sure how recent

39:52

that was that that happened. Yeah,

39:55

I mean, he had wrestled in

39:57

the last couple of months. And so

39:59

if that was the injury, obviously he

40:01

couldn't have been wrestling. Yeah,

40:04

it had to have happened recently.

40:06

I don't know. I don't know.

40:08

Yeah. And Mark Davis, not there

40:10

either. So I actually like the

40:12

makeup of this Callas family right

40:14

now. I think you've got the

40:17

top heavy two main guys. You've

40:19

got a handful of the other

40:21

guys who can kind of help

40:23

out and interfere. But then

40:25

those are the guys that usually

40:27

would take pins in other matches. is

40:33

now what are they gonna do? Are

40:35

they gonna become like a force? Like

40:37

the death riders should have been, could

40:39

have been, you know, in that way

40:41

where they're just, you know, wreaking havoc

40:43

upon people or they're just kind of

40:46

a, you know, callous is just kind

40:48

of leaving them and trying to get

40:50

titles and all that stuff. It'll

40:52

be interesting, but I like the fact that

40:54

it's not just, you know, three guys and callous

40:56

that he actually has a nice group. Now,

40:58

I would not add any more to it. I

41:00

think this is perfect. But,

41:03

and I always think back as

41:05

an old school, like the Heenan family,

41:07

the Bobby Heenan family, where he

41:09

had a couple of guys, his top

41:11

guys who would go up against

41:13

Hulk Hogan and try to beat him.

41:16

And then he got all these

41:18

other guys all the way down to

41:20

Brooklyn Brawler, who he would have. And

41:22

so, yeah, the Brawlers winning more

41:25

than he was when he was

41:27

jobbing out to everybody. Having

41:30

him represent a bunch of guys

41:32

makes sense, especially when he, especially if

41:34

he becomes a guy that wrestlers

41:36

want to have represent him. He becomes

41:38

that guy that all the heels

41:40

kind of say, I wanna be in

41:42

the Dodd -Calisthenics, that's a big deal.

41:47

So then let's look at the women's

41:49

side of the Owen Hart Cup tournament. Yorgal

41:52

Athena coming to the AEW

41:54

roster, she had a very good

41:56

match against Mercedes. You

41:58

know, probably didn't turn out the way

42:01

that maybe who had hoped, you know,

42:03

thinking that Athena would be going to

42:05

all in. And I think there's still

42:07

enough time where things can change there.

42:09

But if there to adhere to the

42:11

stipulation of the tournament that you're going

42:13

to be that it should just be

42:15

one on one with Tony Storm. So

42:17

at this point, we do know that

42:19

it's going to be Jamie Hader versus

42:21

Mercedes Mane at the pay per view

42:23

and winner will be facing Tony Storm.

42:26

But. thoughts overall on the

42:28

women's tournament, the representation of

42:30

Mercedes and also how they've

42:32

utilized Athena. Yeah,

42:35

I mean, clearly I would have

42:37

gone a different direction and built a

42:39

little more to have Athena, you

42:41

know, face Mercedes at

42:43

all in, but they did not

42:45

go that route to my knowledge at

42:47

this point. The only way

42:49

to get there, I think, is if

42:51

Athena costs Mercedes the match against

42:53

Hader. and Hader goes on the face,

42:55

Tony Storm, and then you start

42:57

up the feud with the Mercedes and

42:59

Athena again and set up the

43:01

second match. Again, I would not have

43:03

had them fight before because I

43:05

would have liked the first time for

43:08

them to touch would be in

43:10

such a big event like all in.

43:13

But again, they went a different direction.

43:15

I thought the match was pretty good. What

43:18

I did like about it is that

43:20

their chemistry was good, but

43:22

not great. So there were some

43:24

moves that weren't the cleanest, but

43:26

I liked that because it looked

43:28

as though they were really struggling

43:30

to get the advantage over each

43:32

other on certain moves. They're playing

43:34

it off like that, so I

43:36

thought it worked in that way. And

43:40

obviously, it's

43:42

a win, a roll -up win,

43:44

and it's decisive and tight. So

43:46

it's like, okay. you know,

43:48

I could see it, you know,

43:50

and the next time, maybe

43:52

the chemistry improves a little bit

43:54

more and it's a little

43:56

more, you know, a little smoother.

43:58

But again, I didn't, you

44:00

know, I didn't mind. So

44:03

there's a lot of ways to go. I

44:05

know that they might have their hearts set

44:07

on the big, you know, Mercedes against Tony

44:09

Storm. I don't blame them for that. That

44:11

will obviously be a big, big deal. You

44:14

know, but I would love to

44:17

end up being still, you know, Mercedes

44:19

and Athena title for

44:21

title or something in front

44:23

of everyone with the crowd

44:25

solely behind. Athena I would

44:27

think. Right,

44:30

and because this is gonna be

44:32

happening over Memorial Day weekend, there's

44:34

several more weeks before you get

44:36

to the event. So there's always

44:38

the possibility they could go down

44:40

the route of how WWE did

44:42

the women's championship match where initially

44:44

it was supposed to be Rhea

44:46

Ripley versus Bianca Belair at WrestleMania.

44:49

And then they did a title switch to

44:51

EOS Sky and then just kind of

44:53

had a lot of stuff going back and

44:56

forth to eventually where they got it

44:58

into being a three way. So

45:00

there's always the possibilities that you can

45:02

do some different stuff with the booking

45:04

to add it in a certain way.

45:06

So there could be some more underdeveloped

45:08

stories at this point that we just

45:10

haven't seen play out because Athena was

45:13

such a part of the announcement of

45:15

that show and being from that area

45:17

that I think there is still the

45:19

possibility that they can go the route

45:21

of telling a similar story to how

45:23

they did that triple threat for WrestleMania.

45:27

Yeah, certainly and I would not mind

45:29

seeing you know Athena in a major

45:31

major match there It makes sense to

45:33

do so rather than just you know

45:35

another matches to get her on the

45:37

card You know, I think they there's

45:39

something special they can do And you

45:41

know, we'll see we'll see how it's

45:44

gonna go, but that's again I like

45:46

that because we don't nothing is overly

45:48

predictable You know, even if you can

45:50

you know, you can maybe talk yourself

45:52

into some other things happening, which is

45:54

a positive mm -hmm I

45:57

want to talk about what's been

45:59

my favorite storyline over the past few

46:01

weeks now. Master P. You

46:04

know, the master

46:06

P. Oh man. Is

46:08

he the father of like

46:11

a little Bow Wow or

46:13

something like that? So the

46:15

thing is with my recollection

46:17

of Master P was he

46:19

was in some Nickelodeon show.

46:23

because I don't even remember him

46:25

so much as his days of

46:27

being a rapper, but he was

46:29

on some show and now you

46:31

got me looking for it. Yes,

46:35

Romeo on Nickelodeon, yes.

46:38

Look at show. It

46:40

ran from 2000, okay,

46:42

so it was from

46:44

just in 2003, or 2003

46:47

to 2006, okay, yeah. Okay.

46:50

Okay. after

46:52

his high. Oh, it's it's little

46:54

Romeo. OK, OK, OK.

46:56

Yeah, OK. That's

46:59

that's how I know master. Yeah, I

47:01

mean, I know Master P for him

47:04

showing up on when I used to

47:06

watch, you know, Nitro and he showed

47:08

up and then obviously he heard his

47:10

songs, the popular songs

47:12

and knew of them and

47:14

then seeing him get involved

47:16

in WCW, you know, for

47:18

a while. And then yeah,

47:20

and then. I didn't

47:22

really think about him until

47:24

he gets broader people. I

47:27

actually thought it was extremely well

47:29

done on Dynamite because he didn't overstay

47:32

his welcome. He just

47:34

came out. The crowd

47:36

loves him. He's still

47:38

active in the community and all

47:40

that. So it was a nice

47:42

thing to get the crowd going.

47:44

He introduces Mojo, which you can

47:46

never go wrong, starting a show

47:48

with Joe. You know and the

47:50

you know the only the only

47:53

thing that I kind of smiled

47:55

and rolled my eyes a little

47:57

bit more the You know the

47:59

punches that he tried to throw.

48:01

Yeah on boxley that as I

48:03

wrote Shane McMahon called him wanted

48:05

to like pass this punches looked

48:07

a little weak They did look

48:09

like Shane's punches. Yeah. Yeah, they

48:11

were very Shane like inspiration. Yep

48:13

That's what I thought but but

48:15

but then like, you know where

48:17

I would I would have rather

48:20

seen lots of follow up as

48:22

I constantly complain about from that

48:24

opening segment, the Master P

48:26

portion of it, I thought was perfect

48:28

where he was there, he introduced, and

48:30

then he's done. And it's not like

48:32

he's weaved throughout the whole show or

48:34

he's backstage hanging with the guy. We've

48:37

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48:39

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You know, let's stay on that

56:01

topic and we'll revisit the other

56:03

thing. But certainly, I like that

56:05

angle with a lot of people

56:07

getting involved there. You have

56:09

all kind of the big entrances of people coming

56:11

out. But yeah,

56:13

the week before we saw that

56:16

the ops took those trios tag

56:18

team championships from the death riders.

56:20

It was about time. I think

56:22

that this is like the perfect

56:24

group, unfortunately for Hook, you know,

56:26

not being available. I think that

56:29

powerhouse Hobbs just works phenomenally better.

56:31

with Shavada, Ansimo Joe.

56:33

Ansimo Joe again is getting that shine

56:35

where he had that AEW World title

56:37

run, then he kind of took a

56:39

backseat for a little bit and you're

56:41

showing again that he can be a

56:44

guy who visits that main event and

56:46

be taken seriously as a threat because

56:48

he is a former world champion. He

56:50

also choked out John Moxley. So

56:52

that was a really big deal. And

56:54

then setting him up for a world

56:56

title match on television, which I think

56:58

is a great idea in between them.

57:01

So his world title match on, if

57:04

he's a breakthrough, that

57:06

they're gonna be having in the off of states. Beach

57:09

Break or whatever I think. Beach

57:11

Break. Yes. Yes.

57:14

Beach Break, which will be at the

57:16

now arena, Hoffman Estates. And so that

57:18

leads me to believe that for Double

57:20

or Nothing, they're probably going to go

57:22

with one of those anarchy and the

57:24

arena matches. And I think that's why

57:26

you had a lot of people coming

57:28

out there for that. Yeah.

57:31

Clearly, that's how I took

57:33

it was. As

57:35

I wrote a paint by number

57:37

setup for the anarchy and the arena,

57:39

blood and guts type match, whatever

57:41

they're going to call it. with those

57:44

groups, it just makes sense. But

57:49

yeah, I mean, Joe

57:51

is so valuable. The

57:54

reputation that he has,

57:56

the crowd loves him. Being

57:58

a former champion, losing

58:00

and then kind of also going off

58:02

and shooting his TV show and so you

58:04

don't see him for a while that

58:06

he can come back and quickly. you

58:09

know, take a couple guys in

58:11

a group, you know, whether it, you

58:13

know, Shabata and then Hulk and

58:15

now Hobbs and just make him a

58:17

legitimate, you know, threatening and know,

58:20

legitimate main part of your show is

58:22

just a testament to Joe and

58:24

how good he is, you know, portraying

58:26

his character. It's just, it's fantastic.

58:28

And I love seeing him do whatever

58:30

he's going to do. So. So

58:33

yeah, so that'll be a great TV match. You

58:36

know, again, I wish it was

58:38

in Detroit and not Chicago gets enough,

58:40

you know, Chicago, come on. You

58:43

know, I know Tony loves loves

58:45

the Chicago area. I get it. But,

58:47

you know, it's been two years

58:49

since AWS come to Detroit and, you

58:51

know, it's like, you

58:54

know, give us something anyway. Yeah,

58:56

nothing. That's going to be my phone for the

58:58

show is that is that I want to get more

59:00

Tony to give us a good show. Okay

59:03

well I mean that this next Wednesday

59:05

hopefully there should be a bunch more

59:07

stuff announced for that Detroit show so.

59:11

Yeah I will see what gets announced

59:13

there but what do you what

59:15

do you believe is are probably the

59:17

key players in that you know

59:19

if if it is a four and

59:21

four five on five tight match

59:23

for double or nothing who's in who's

59:25

involved in that match. Well

59:28

I'm assuming five on

59:30

five. And with Kenny

59:32

showing up and Swerve

59:34

showing up, I think you've

59:36

got those two and

59:38

then your three ops guys.

59:41

I think those are

59:43

your babyface team. And

59:45

then on the other side,

59:47

it looks as though you've got

59:49

Moxley, you've got Claudio, you've

59:52

got Yuta, and then you've

59:54

got the Bucks who somehow

59:56

get their way in there

59:58

for the Swerve. you know,

1:00:00

and Kenny aspect of it.

1:00:03

So I think that's likely

1:00:05

your 10 guys. And,

1:00:08

you know, then see what

1:00:10

happens. Can you think of

1:00:12

anyone else to hop in

1:00:14

there? Well, I'm just wondering

1:00:16

the Okada factor of it,

1:00:18

because they've reintroduced him back

1:00:20

on television. They had a little

1:00:22

bit in the ring with each other for,

1:00:24

I got half a second at Dynasty. And

1:00:27

so they've had a little bit of interaction

1:00:29

on TV, so it makes you wonder. you

1:00:32

know, how does he factor into that

1:00:34

stuff if they are to go through with

1:00:36

the Omega Ocata match, which I believe

1:00:38

is very much still the plan for that.

1:00:40

So is Ocata a part of the

1:00:42

match? He could easily take that Wheeler -Yudov

1:00:44

spot. Or do you want to hold him

1:00:46

off? And does he interfere? I mean,

1:00:48

it's a no -DQ match, so you can

1:00:51

have whomever the hell you want come out

1:00:53

there and beat on the opponent. Yeah,

1:00:55

in my opinion, I think it's clear

1:00:57

his his best role would be an

1:00:59

interferer. Because if you remember the last

1:01:01

time he was in one of those

1:01:03

matches, he just looked out of place.

1:01:05

It's not his strength to be in

1:01:08

those kind of, you know, blood and

1:01:10

guts type matches. You know, I remember

1:01:12

the last time when he caught like

1:01:14

caught a staple gun or something like

1:01:16

that was in his middle finger or

1:01:18

something like that was the one main

1:01:20

spot. The rest of the time he

1:01:22

was kind of. just kind of looked

1:01:24

out of place because it's so I think

1:01:26

he's better off being a guy who

1:01:28

helps them, you know, and interferes a

1:01:30

little bit. And maybe, you

1:01:32

know, Kenny's going to

1:01:34

win and he costs that and

1:01:36

that kind of starts their thing

1:01:38

or something like that where, where,

1:01:40

you know, rather than have him

1:01:42

have to be in a walking

1:01:44

brawl or have to come up

1:01:46

with these crazy spots somewhere in

1:01:48

the arena with him, you know.

1:01:50

keep his skills and what he

1:01:53

does best, which is just wrestling

1:01:55

great matches instead of these kind

1:01:57

of violent ones. Yeah, good

1:01:59

callback onto that from their blood

1:02:01

and guts match, where I think me

1:02:03

included, very disappointed with his performance

1:02:05

that I think easily you could have

1:02:07

it set up where Kenny Omega

1:02:09

hits the one wing angel, he's about

1:02:11

to pin somebody significant. On

1:02:13

the other side and then

1:02:15

oh here comes out. Nowhere here's

1:02:18

Okada pulls pulls the rug

1:02:20

out from Omega and just beats

1:02:22

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1:02:24

allows Moxley or whomever you know

1:02:26

to get the pin over

1:02:28

him Yeah, that makes the most

1:02:30

sense to me Okay, so

1:02:32

let's um well because we're on

1:02:34

that topic I will I

1:02:37

want to switch over to the

1:02:39

young bucks and then making

1:02:42

their redebut on Dynasty pay

1:02:44

-per -view, screwing over Adam Copeland

1:02:46

there, and, or

1:02:48

not, Adam Copeland, excuse me, Swerve

1:02:50

Strickland. So they screwed over Swerve

1:02:52

Strickland there. And

1:02:54

then they had their match, first

1:02:56

match on Dynamite in a long

1:02:58

time. against Speedball, Mike Bailey and

1:03:00

Kevin Knight, which was a fantastic

1:03:03

match. Speedball has been doing

1:03:05

wonderful. Kevin Knight has been looking

1:03:07

tremendous. I definitely missed

1:03:09

the young bucks being a part of

1:03:11

AEW. There's a lot of

1:03:13

criticisms of them of not being able

1:03:15

to translate who they are into week

1:03:17

to week television characters. But I feel

1:03:19

like when they are part of AEW,

1:03:21

you remember that this is kind of

1:03:23

what it's built on of having a

1:03:25

lot of these great matches, these great

1:03:27

reactions. they were one of the

1:03:29

founders of the company. So it's

1:03:31

always welcome to have them back when

1:03:33

they're in a significant role, when they're

1:03:35

motivated, they're a part of something important. So

1:03:38

what do you think of the Young

1:03:40

Bucks thus far? And again,

1:03:42

if they are to be a part

1:03:44

of this anarchy and arena, where

1:03:46

do they fall into for all in?

1:03:50

Does it look like they're maybe setting up

1:03:52

a tag match between you

1:03:54

know hangman and swerve versus the young bucks

1:03:56

does that seem to be kind of the direction

1:03:58

for them. Yeah

1:04:01

you know well first of all the when

1:04:03

the box showed up at the end I was

1:04:05

kind of bummed because I you know it

1:04:07

went against what I was hoping would happen in

1:04:09

the main event of dynasty. I

1:04:12

think they. I

1:04:16

don't know. It's weird. I

1:04:19

make my decisions with if I really

1:04:21

love them on television week to

1:04:23

week or they are annoying to me.

1:04:25

Like, you know, go away. You

1:04:28

know, it's tough because. The match

1:04:30

they put on last week, amazing,

1:04:32

loved it. This was the classic

1:04:34

Young Bucks match against two really,

1:04:36

really talented guys that could do

1:04:38

everything that they wanted. Some of

1:04:40

those sequences with all the kicks

1:04:43

in the middle of the ring

1:04:45

with them, all four competitors going

1:04:47

nuts, chicken fight spots, all that

1:04:49

stuff was great. You

1:04:53

knew the Bucks were gonna win,

1:04:55

but I got lost to the action

1:04:57

a lot and I was thinking,

1:04:59

that's why. falling for the near falls

1:05:01

a couple of times, it's like,

1:05:03

okay, they really are amazing and crushing

1:05:06

in matches like that. You

1:05:08

don't want matches like that every

1:05:10

single week, but when they do those,

1:05:12

fantastic. The characters

1:05:14

are still just

1:05:16

thin. They're just

1:05:19

kind of like, okay, I get

1:05:21

it, but it's still to

1:05:23

me probably, I'm

1:05:25

holding against them the

1:05:27

way the storyline last

1:05:29

year went with their, because

1:05:32

it was exactly last year

1:05:34

with Tony Conn and his neck

1:05:36

brace and the draft and

1:05:38

all that stuff. Right around the

1:05:40

draft. Yeah, I was like, right

1:05:42

when that happened last year, you're kind of

1:05:44

like, okay, intrigued in how that fell apart

1:05:46

for whatever reason. I'm not blaming the bucks

1:05:48

on it. I'm saying for whatever reason it

1:05:50

fell apart, it kind of just. Then

1:05:53

you didn't know, well, what power they

1:05:55

have, what are they in charge of?

1:05:57

They're still EVPs and they still walk

1:05:59

around like they own the place. But

1:06:02

then, so all of that confusion character

1:06:04

-wise is kind of like, all right,

1:06:06

I'll just let it all play out,

1:06:08

I guess. I mean, yes, they're cowards.

1:06:10

Yes, they're afraid of Moxley's group and

1:06:12

wanna join them or don't wanna get

1:06:14

in their way or whatever it is.

1:06:16

So I think that's what'll end up

1:06:18

getting them with Moxley where Moxley, they

1:06:20

need help, and the Bucks have been

1:06:22

there for them, even if Moxley says,

1:06:25

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1:06:27

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think there's still a lot to

1:13:13

prove with the Young Bucks. They don't

1:13:15

need to prove anything else in

1:13:17

the ring. That's what they're known for.

1:13:19

But I think as far as

1:13:21

making these storylines makes sense of how

1:13:23

things were left off, I think

1:13:25

there's still a bad taste left in

1:13:27

everybody's mouth in the stuff that

1:13:29

they've been involved with and how it

1:13:31

seemingly was dropped. And now it

1:13:33

seems like they're trying to rework everything

1:13:36

back in there, but it doesn't

1:13:38

seem very organic. Yeah,

1:13:44

we'll see. But you look

1:13:46

at MJF and Adam Kohler

1:13:48

still kind of working their

1:13:50

way out of their silliness

1:13:52

that they had to go

1:13:54

through in the way that

1:13:56

kind of angle fizzled and

1:13:58

hurt the company, tactically. It

1:14:00

was a major factor of

1:14:02

a lot of the downturn

1:14:04

at the time. And they're

1:14:06

still working their way out

1:14:08

of it. this

1:14:11

MJF hurt business

1:14:13

stuff, which I love,

1:14:15

is finally kind

1:14:17

of getting MJF back

1:14:19

into that kind

1:14:22

of slimy, heel type,

1:14:24

you see his motivations and all

1:14:26

that stuff. You kind of getting

1:14:28

him back to that, even though

1:14:30

he's being very entertaining while he's

1:14:32

doing it. And Adam Cole, obviously,

1:14:34

yes, he just won a TNT

1:14:36

title and had other injuries, but

1:14:38

still, he's kind

1:14:41

of stuck too in his role now

1:14:43

and still working his way out

1:14:45

of it. So when you look at

1:14:47

the blocks in this storyline and

1:14:49

the way the blocks have always been,

1:14:51

which has kind of been up

1:14:53

and down when it comes to storylines,

1:14:57

if they could just find one

1:14:59

thing, give it their all, embrace

1:15:01

it and it works and it's

1:15:03

like a longer term thing, I

1:15:05

think they'd be in much better

1:15:07

shape moving forward. for however much

1:15:09

longer they want to do this. Yeah.

1:15:13

So I do want to talk about

1:15:15

the MJF and Hurt Syndicate because

1:15:17

that is something I have enjoyed the

1:15:19

most just seeing. how it's developed

1:15:21

over the last few weeks. Now, MJF

1:15:23

can always start going into that

1:15:25

kind of cartoon character type version of

1:15:28

himself, which I am not a

1:15:30

fan of. I prefer the more serious

1:15:32

version, which he is very capable

1:15:34

of doing, but I think if some

1:15:36

of his tendencies start to go

1:15:38

into the, you know, the over the

1:15:40

top facial expressions, the variances in

1:15:42

his voice and stuff. But

1:15:45

I have really enjoyed just seeing how

1:15:47

this plays out with the different roles that

1:15:49

everybody's playing in this with MJF trying

1:15:51

to convince the guys to be a part

1:15:53

of the group. But we know that

1:15:55

he can't be trusted. even

1:15:58

though he's kind of getting some

1:16:00

baby face type reactions because I

1:16:02

think his performances have been so

1:16:04

good. You got MVP who's trying

1:16:06

to convince everybody that you should

1:16:08

trust this guy. You got Sheldon

1:16:10

Benjamin, who is somewhat buying

1:16:12

into this. He's kind of going

1:16:15

along with it a little bit, enjoying

1:16:17

the ride for what it is. Bobby

1:16:20

Lashley, who just keeps denying him. He

1:16:22

kind of keeps going, well, maybe we'll

1:16:24

do it. And then he drives off

1:16:26

with the car, which I thought was

1:16:28

a great spot there that MJF's got

1:16:30

this car waiting for him. Bobby Lashley

1:16:32

gets inside of it, kind of holds

1:16:34

out his arm for the thumb, gives

1:16:36

him the thumbs down and speeds off

1:16:38

there and MJF just loses it. So

1:16:41

I've just really been enjoying to see

1:16:43

how this all develops. I don't know

1:16:45

exactly where it goes. If the end

1:16:47

game here is Bobby Lashley versus MJF,

1:16:49

if MJF gets along with these guys

1:16:51

for a period of time, but I'm

1:16:53

enjoying the ride while it's happening. Yeah,

1:16:56

I mean, I think

1:16:58

they've found something good here

1:17:00

with these guys. And

1:17:03

my favorite part

1:17:05

is the MJF.

1:17:09

the cool part that both sides kind of

1:17:11

think they're going to get one up on

1:17:13

the other. You can see both sides say,

1:17:15

we're going to take advantage of this guy. And

1:17:17

so it's like, whose

1:17:20

plan is going to

1:17:22

end up working? Because

1:17:25

you know, they're disingenuous,

1:17:27

both all of them. So

1:17:30

they're all full of shit. Yeah,

1:17:32

right. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's

1:17:34

fun. You know, that's fun. Now,

1:17:36

the thing that I find the

1:17:38

most entertaining is some of the

1:17:40

criticisms of like the MJF, you

1:17:42

know, always, you know, why is

1:17:45

he, why is he bringing out

1:17:47

girls like it's 1998 or why

1:17:49

is he, you know, doing, you

1:17:51

know, it's got to be bribing

1:17:53

them with cars. But lastly, he's

1:17:55

got a ton of cars. And

1:17:57

it's like, well, yes, but you

1:18:00

have to look at it from

1:18:02

MJF's MGF's character is

1:18:04

all about the material items and

1:18:06

those are the type of things that

1:18:08

would win MJF over. So in

1:18:10

his mind, he thinks girls in cars

1:18:12

are gonna win the Hurtson to

1:18:14

get over. So that's how

1:18:16

he views it. So he's

1:18:18

there thinking, I'm gonna use all

1:18:20

these cool things that I

1:18:22

think are amazing to convince them

1:18:24

and it's not working. And

1:18:27

so he's gonna have to.

1:18:29

get something, find something else.

1:18:32

You know, in the Hurts, the kid's

1:18:34

kind of like, all right, we're going

1:18:36

to play hard to get and take

1:18:38

advantage of this kid. You know, but

1:18:40

then MGF's not dumb. So he of

1:18:42

course knows, you know, that that as

1:18:44

well. So he's, you know, everyone's scheming.

1:18:46

And I think that makes it very

1:18:48

intriguing to see how it's going to

1:18:50

end and whether, you know, MGF is

1:18:52

going to join for a little bit

1:18:54

and then see if it blows up

1:18:56

or doesn't or, you know, and. the

1:18:58

dynamics between them because they're all very

1:19:00

good performers. And I also have loved

1:19:02

everybody, seemingly their goal is to get

1:19:04

Bobby Lashley to break on camera. Because

1:19:07

you could tell they're throwing

1:19:09

out just ad -libbing and

1:19:11

some things and calling him

1:19:13

Bob and just trying to

1:19:15

get him to smile. And

1:19:18

I find that entertaining as

1:19:20

well. It's amazing that

1:19:22

the Hertz Syndicate has come

1:19:24

over here from WWE doing

1:19:26

the same group, same gimmick.

1:19:29

And I was very critical of them

1:19:31

signing on these guys because I

1:19:33

think you just have too many of

1:19:35

these former WWE people and especially

1:19:37

given the age of all of these

1:19:39

guys. I mean, they're all near

1:19:41

50 years old at this point. But

1:19:44

I feel like - group has been

1:19:46

such a breath of fresh air,

1:19:48

actually, which just sounds so contradictory to

1:19:50

when you'd look at on paper,

1:19:52

should we add these guys? Should we

1:19:54

not? You know, I would

1:19:56

be like, definitely not. You shouldn't do it

1:19:58

because you just got too many people who fall

1:20:00

on that side of the ledger. you

1:20:02

know, like the Adam Copeland type

1:20:04

of bucket. But they

1:20:07

have just seemed so motivated

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to do something fun,

1:20:11

creative, different. They found some

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new life, some energy with MJF. MJF

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1:20:17

for him. You know, he's still got

1:20:19

a little bit of beef going on

1:20:21

with Heyman and a page. So how

1:20:23

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1:20:25

know, down the line. You know,

1:20:27

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1:20:30

figure out what the end game always is.

1:20:32

We're always speculating, you know, what's going to

1:20:34

be on the big show. Because

1:20:36

that's just a fun part of doing

1:20:38

this and also just trying to see where

1:20:40

the direction of the bookings going, but. I'm

1:20:43

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1:20:46

is in the moments. And I think to

1:20:48

have this be a success in hindsight,

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1:20:52

good payoff to all of it. If

1:20:54

the payoff just falls flat, then

1:20:56

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1:20:58

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think the main reason the

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Hurts Syndicate has been such a

1:27:49

success is that a lot

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of times these other former WWE

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people come in and they

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try to kind of play both

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roles of being sports entertaining

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and then a little serious, but

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then kind of trying to

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have their fun and trying to

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be this, this like. performer

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that, I don't know, like maybe

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a lot of the characteristics of

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where they came from trying to

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use those in AEW. And the

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Hurt Tint Kit just came in.

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They weren't trying to be clever.

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They weren't trying to be sports

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entertaining. They didn't pander to

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the crowd. They came out serious

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from the start. when MVP walked

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out the first time, dressing like

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he dressed, walking out there like

1:28:33

a big deal. Shelton

1:28:35

comes in, looking like a big

1:28:37

deal. Also, the fact that he's

1:28:40

of good size for AEW, so

1:28:42

it's not like he looks small.

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He actually looks pretty big, and

1:28:46

then obviously Lashley looks really big,

1:28:48

which is great. They're

1:28:50

huge dudes. Yeah,

1:28:52

right. I mean, just right. But

1:28:55

like height wise, too, like, you

1:28:57

know, when it comes to the

1:28:59

AW roster, there's only a handful

1:29:01

of guys that would tower over

1:29:03

them. So they could be even

1:29:05

more menacing against anybody in the

1:29:07

ring with them. And I think

1:29:09

they've stayed that way. Whereas MVPs,

1:29:11

they've kind of been you know,

1:29:13

turned by the crowd, babyface, they,

1:29:15

you know, MVP will maybe pause to

1:29:17

hear a little bit of chance now

1:29:20

and then, but he's never, there's never

1:29:22

pandering to the crowd. He's never, he's

1:29:24

never like setting them up for like

1:29:26

lions or anything like that. He just

1:29:28

says, we hurt people and the crowd

1:29:30

just decides we're gonna chant, we hurt

1:29:32

people. Like they, it wasn't like CEO,

1:29:35

like you're trying to like get

1:29:37

a, you know, a crowd to

1:29:39

chant something. This, it came organically.

1:29:41

And they're just serious guys. And

1:29:44

even in this MJF stuff,

1:29:46

they're still mostly serious. They're

1:29:48

not sparring back and forth

1:29:50

with him. They're not jokey

1:29:52

in the way they speak.

1:29:54

It's very level. And

1:29:56

even when Shelton just said last

1:29:58

week, I'm not saying

1:30:00

thumbs up because of broads,

1:30:02

which of course always cracks

1:30:04

me up whenever older people

1:30:06

refer to women as broads.

1:30:08

broads and watches I didn't

1:30:10

do this for. It's like,

1:30:12

okay, I get it. So

1:30:14

I really love their presentation.

1:30:17

Yeah, agreed. What's

1:30:19

going on with FTR? They're

1:30:21

going on their heel stuff

1:30:24

right now, turning on cope.

1:30:26

Is this working for you? I'm

1:30:30

more interested in FTR now than

1:30:32

I was before, but

1:30:34

it seems a little overly

1:30:37

forced, like their reasoning kind

1:30:39

of didn't really hit with me.

1:30:41

They're trying to explain why

1:30:43

now all of a sudden they're

1:30:45

awful people and they're gonna

1:30:47

turn on like a guy who's

1:30:49

apparently been their friend for

1:30:51

decades. And so

1:30:53

it's a little odd

1:30:55

that way. it

1:30:57

seems like they understand that the story

1:30:59

is a little thin. So they have

1:31:02

them attacking announcers and things like that

1:31:04

to try to get as much heat

1:31:06

as possible. And

1:31:08

now Stokely Hathaway involved with

1:31:10

them. I love Stokely as a

1:31:12

manager. I'm very intrigued to

1:31:14

see how this is gonna work

1:31:16

because I don't know if

1:31:18

it's going to work. But

1:31:21

I'm also kind

1:31:23

of tired of

1:31:25

the... know, the

1:31:28

Dax and Cash kind of the way

1:31:30

they talk and the way they, you

1:31:32

know, they heal out. So it's like,

1:31:34

if you have another spokesman that might

1:31:36

help a little bit, but it's been

1:31:38

okay. It's enough for me to be

1:31:41

curious how it's gonna end, but I'm

1:31:43

not like, oh, I can't wait. This

1:31:45

is fantastic stuff. It's okay. Is

1:31:47

the end game here for

1:31:49

Coke to come back and

1:31:51

tagging with Christian? Is

1:31:53

that where they're going? Because the

1:31:55

Christian stuff with Nick Wayne is

1:31:58

taking an interesting turn where Nick

1:32:00

Wayne's trying to take more of

1:32:02

an assertive role. He won the

1:32:04

ROH television championship from Colman Dare

1:32:06

in a very good match on

1:32:08

collision. How

1:32:11

are you putting those pieces

1:32:13

together? I'm

1:32:16

not really putting those pieces

1:32:18

together because I don't see how

1:32:20

they piece together, but it

1:32:22

seems like a lot of the

1:32:24

speculation across all of wrestling

1:32:26

media is the fact that that

1:32:28

looks like an FTR against

1:32:30

COVID Christian. But I don't

1:32:32

know how you're getting Christian

1:32:34

to do that, because you can't

1:32:37

turn Christian now. I

1:32:39

don't see what the storyline could

1:32:41

be, he's still a jerk, so

1:32:43

it would have to be a

1:32:45

heel Christian probably where Copeland has

1:32:47

no other choice and he needs

1:32:50

somebody and he somehow convinces Christian

1:32:52

to help him. But

1:32:54

then why would Christian want to help him?

1:32:57

He hates him, he just tries

1:32:59

to interfere and uses contract

1:33:01

to beat him for the title,

1:33:03

which is being intimated by

1:33:05

Nick Wayne, which is he went

1:33:07

against the plan and used

1:33:09

the contract so he could pin

1:33:11

Cope. because he has

1:33:13

this hatred for Cope. So why

1:33:15

would he now in a month

1:33:17

or two, or what's

1:33:19

it now? Okay, so a few months.

1:33:21

But in a few months, Walsh also didn't want

1:33:23

to team with him. They really have to do

1:33:25

a good job of the storyline to make that

1:33:27

make sense. Yeah, and I

1:33:30

know that they've been building this

1:33:32

stuff up with Nick Wayne, but is

1:33:34

that going to be enough to

1:33:36

turn Christian after all this time? It

1:33:38

just doesn't feel like Nick Wayne

1:33:40

has a strong enough or developed enough

1:33:42

character at this point to make

1:33:44

such a dramatic shift to get to

1:33:46

that point. to

1:33:48

have that happen. I mean, of course,

1:33:50

if you're AEW, you wanna get to

1:33:52

Christian and Cope as a tag

1:33:54

team at some point. Before one of

1:33:56

those guys decides to retire, their contract

1:33:58

runs out, run into a significant

1:34:00

injury. That's what you want to

1:34:02

do. You want to get one. And we

1:34:04

know that Tony is a huge fan of

1:34:07

both of those guys. That's his era. He

1:34:09

would love to see that. And especially on

1:34:11

a show like All In. And

1:34:13

I think it would be significant

1:34:15

the time that they do

1:34:17

tag with each other again. I

1:34:19

think that would be a really

1:34:21

big deal. But how you get

1:34:23

there, it just seems like. they're

1:34:26

setting themselves up for, unless

1:34:28

they have a genius idea that

1:34:30

is kind of over all