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4:28

AJ styles Also they wondered did anyone

4:30

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4:33

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4:35

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4:42

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4:44

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4:47

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4:49

live callers and emailers throughout talking about

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4:53

the decision to put Charlotte over Ria

4:56

Ripley the potential of wrestlers getting more

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creative freedom in that current environment and

5:00

more. So again these shows originally live

5:03

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5:05

and it is today's best of pw

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5:10

2025. Here we go. Well

5:14

Andrew Sucha it's probably appropriate that you

5:16

and I are the ones going through

5:18

night one of WrestleMania with the way

5:21

that main event was just pushed and

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how much impact wrestling we've watched over

5:25

the years But this is a little

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different. How are you first of all?

5:29

I'm doing well. I'm very surprised to

5:32

get this call and very surprised by

5:34

what I just saw and still sorting

5:36

out my feelings at the moment. It's

5:38

a little last minute. This is thrown

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one, P.W. Torch Daily Cast, live cast,

5:47

I'm Mike McMahon and Andrew Sochek is

5:49

with us as well. We're usually here

5:51

on the show on Thursday afternoon. We

5:54

talk A-E-W, M-L-W, an impact, so this

5:56

is gonna be a little different for

5:58

us, for us. But we got the

6:00

Night One post show covered here tonight.

6:02

Greg Parks. We'll be back in his

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usual... his usual time slot tomorrow night

6:07

after night to of WrestleMania. So if

6:09

you want to give us a call,

6:11

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6:13

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since Andrew and I have taken live

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6:24

Make sure you hit the number one,

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6:29

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6:31

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6:33

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6:35

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6:42

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6:55

like that. And that's going to let

6:57

us know that you want to get

7:00

on the line and talk to Andrew

7:02

and I about Wrestle. One, one. We

7:04

watched the original cinematic matches, I think,

7:06

with Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy and

7:08

Brother Nero and the final deletion and

7:11

all that stuff. This was, I don't

7:13

want to say this was a ripoff

7:15

because there's definitely some things that were

7:17

different, but this was W.W.E's version, I

7:19

think. Yeah, it was. I mean, I

7:22

know that a couple times in the

7:24

past they had done similar things. You

7:26

could say like House of horrors. with

7:28

Bray Wyatt and John Sina and the

7:30

guy that that fight they had with

7:33

New Day and the Wyatt family their

7:35

compound. I guess it was the best

7:37

of those three but I mean it's

7:39

just such a weird bizarre way to

7:41

to end their biggest I guess show

7:44

of the year thus far until tomorrow

7:46

night but Yeah, I mean, it was,

7:48

yeah, it was better than what kind

7:50

of impact has done in this terms,

7:52

obviously, because they had. better directing. But

7:55

man, it's just I couldn't really get

7:57

into it on any level. I wonder,

7:59

so I mean, obviously Jeremy Borash was

8:01

very involved in those impact matches and

8:03

now he's with WEE. I have to

8:06

assume he had something to do with

8:08

this. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised

8:10

if we find out Jeremy Borash was

8:12

behind some of the directing here. You

8:14

know what I mean? Yeah, I think

8:17

that's a certain possibility. It was pretty

8:19

well done compared to like some other

8:21

things we've seen in the past. I

8:23

mean, you could see the effort was

8:25

there. It looked good. It was just

8:28

so far off from anything that WDB

8:30

traditionally does in their narrative that it's.

8:32

quite jarring. It was. It was. And

8:34

what did you think of the match

8:36

placement? Like if they were going to

8:39

do this, and I think, well, I've

8:41

read, I don't know if it's true,

8:43

but I've read that the John Sina

8:45

Bray Wyatt, Firefly fun house match that's

8:47

going to take place tomorrow is shot

8:50

in a similar way. It has more

8:52

of a cinematic field to it rather

8:54

than something that's in the ring. I

8:56

don't know if that's 100% true, but

8:58

I've read that that that was kind

9:01

of speculated. If they were going to

9:03

do this, should this have closed the

9:05

show or should this have gone or

9:07

should this in the world title match,

9:09

or the universal title match I guess

9:12

it was, with Goldberg and Stroman, do

9:14

you think it should have been flipped?

9:16

And the title change goes on to

9:18

close out the night and this goes

9:20

on second to last. I think had

9:23

they put a bit more effort into

9:25

the world title match, the universal title

9:27

match, then that probably should have, but

9:29

it was really, I mean the match

9:31

itself was really lackluster was really lacklustre.

9:34

Stroman's just not really a hot character

9:36

right now. I don't know if that

9:38

would have gone on much better. I

9:40

mean, the thing, they have like editing

9:42

power, so I guess they theoretically could

9:45

have done like an eight minute Goldberg

9:47

run Stroman match and added the heck

9:49

out of it and made it decent.

9:51

But the way it played out, I

9:53

don't know if ending in the night.

9:56

with this would have been any better.

9:58

But then again, I don't even know.

10:00

I mean, I guess I thought that

10:02

was their best choice, but I don't

10:04

think they really left themselves with a

10:07

lot of great choices there. What do

10:09

you think? So I probably would have

10:11

flipped it if it were me. I

10:13

didn't have any real issues with the

10:15

Undertaker Styles match. I thought it was

10:18

good. I would have probably flipped it

10:20

if it were me just because not

10:22

only is it a world title match

10:24

where you. Have a title change right?

10:26

Yeah, so But I mean they were

10:29

kind of limited with Goldberg like you

10:31

said They didn't do a lot there

10:33

with Goldberg the match was only a

10:35

couple of minutes long the match with

10:37

Bray Why it was only a couple

10:40

of minutes long the matches that he

10:42

had in his first comeback with with

10:44

Lesnar We're only a couple of minutes

10:46

long because Goldberg can't do anything more

10:48

than two or three minutes I mean,

10:51

he's, it's what it is. I mean,

10:53

he barely could do more than two

10:55

or three minutes when he was in

10:57

his prime. So he certainly can't do

10:59

more than that now. So yeah, I

11:02

mean, I think they weren't gonna get

11:04

more than what they got out of

11:06

that Goldberg match. But I wonder if

11:08

it would have been a little list

11:10

for the fans that have tuned in

11:13

tonight that are WW and don't watch

11:15

any other former wrestling and never saw

11:17

the Matt Hardy stuff and only saw

11:19

like that. you said the the new

11:21

day Wyatt family match and the what

11:24

was it the was it Orton had

11:26

it wasn't a match we did something

11:28

where he burned sister Abigail or something

11:30

like that yeah there was well he

11:32

burnt down the shed that sister Abigail

11:35

was in and I think they fought

11:37

inside of a house also horse yeah

11:39

so I mean the people that have

11:41

only seen that I guess this could

11:43

have been a little jarring because they

11:46

also WWE hasn't done anything like it

11:48

in a number of years so I

11:50

think maybe you flip those two things

11:52

in Stroman's moment at the end of

11:54

the show. You know, the last shot

11:57

you see is Stroman in the corner

11:59

holding up the title. That's probably a

12:01

better ending tonight one. But this is

12:03

a big but Roman Reins was supposed

12:05

to be in that match with Goldberg.

12:08

Roman Reins was supposed to be the

12:10

one that beat Bill Goldberg. I think

12:12

if Roman Reins never pulled out of

12:14

the match, the reins Goldberg match with

12:16

Reins winning the title definitely goes on

12:19

last. This to me feels like they

12:21

didn't they don't care if they if

12:23

they're burying Stroman winning the title because

12:25

Stroman's not going to hold it very

12:27

long. Yeah, I think that's probably what

12:30

they're probably going to do there. I

12:32

guess the reason why you might want

12:34

to put Undertaker Match on last is

12:36

just because it was such a bizarre

12:38

tonal shift that it would be weird

12:41

to go back to a regular wrestling

12:43

match because I mean, we basically saw

12:45

a guy teleport and then basically saw

12:47

a guy die from being buried. So

12:49

to go from that to like a

12:52

92nd Goldberg match would just, I don't

12:54

know how that would play out either.

12:56

That being said, I would love to

12:58

see what Michael Cole would say coming

13:00

out of that. You know, would he

13:03

say anything? Well, that was something. All

13:05

right. On to the Universal Channel match.

13:07

Because I mean, the way they set

13:09

it up is AJ Stallis' is dead.

13:11

Like, his hand was not moving. He's

13:14

buried. That's true. Yeah, I don't know.

13:16

The other thing, too, is like, the

13:18

way they jumped into it was so

13:20

odd, like, today. I was just watching

13:22

some old WrestleMania matches. I did, like...

13:25

Hogan Rock, Rock, Rock Sina, and after

13:27

those matches, they played out really long.

13:29

So they were like, you know, after

13:31

the match ended, they would go on

13:33

for like five minutes and we'd see

13:36

the reactions, everything. And with Goldberg Braun,

13:38

they just like cut immediately. It's like,

13:40

this was not passing to the torch.

13:42

This was not Goldberg respecting Braun. It

13:44

was just, it was so bizarre that

13:47

they jumped right into a horror film,

13:49

essentially. Yeah, this was, we need to

13:51

get the belt off of Stromananman. Excuse

13:53

me of Goldberg and we got to

13:55

put it on somebody because Goldberg ain't

13:58

coming back after this. Like Goldberg's contracted

14:00

through WrestleMania and we don't know when

14:02

we're gonna get him back. So we

14:04

gotta get the belt off of Goldberg,

14:06

we gotta put it on somebody so

14:09

that rains can beat somebody when we

14:11

come back from this whole thing and

14:13

Stroman's the guy. So it was, it

14:15

didn't feel like a big moment, it

14:17

felt like a transaction. Like all right,

14:20

we've completed this transaction and the big

14:22

moment will be the first Smackdown. after

14:24

coronavirus where roman rains beats brawn strumman

14:26

for the title because they're gonna need

14:28

something to hook people when they come

14:31

back so that first big smackdown i

14:33

imagine will be rain strumman for the

14:35

title rains gets the win you do

14:37

this the fireworks the fanfare whip yippy

14:39

big celebration and that's kind of the

14:42

moment the moment isn't here because they

14:44

don't care about strum No,

14:46

they don't. I mean, the, Strowman

14:48

basically peaked as a character like

14:50

two years ago, maybe a little

14:52

longer than that even, but you

14:54

kind of jumped the shark when

14:56

he won the, uh, the tag

14:59

titles with Nicholas, I feel. I,

15:01

yeah, it's just, I mean, Goldberg

15:03

is very, you know, potentially months

15:05

longer until Roman ranges back, but

15:07

it was just such a weird.

15:09

Way everything played out. I mean

15:11

at the very minimum they should

15:13

have like had them cut promos

15:15

on each other throughout the night

15:17

just to space out the Weirdness

15:20

of everything and they didn't even

15:22

go through that effort and they

15:24

never went into details really why

15:26

Stroman took the spot so it

15:28

was about his underwhelming of a

15:30

match and title switch and Probably

15:32

quite some time. Yeah All right,

15:34

well the phone calls are lining

15:36

up, so let's get to them.

15:38

Again, the number 515, 605, 9345,

15:40

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15:47

we got a lot of callers

15:49

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15:51

get through as many of these

15:53

as possible, so the callers that

15:55

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15:57

to go as quickly as you

15:59

can so we can fit in

16:01

here on the Wrestlemania. show night

16:04

number one. Let's go up first

16:06

to six one five six one

16:08

five. Please say your name and

16:10

where you're calling from. Hey, Mike

16:12

and Andrew. This is Sean. B.

16:14

F. Mervisboro, Tennessee. How you guys

16:16

doing? Hey, Sean. How you doing?

16:18

How you doing? And I'm not

16:20

bad. Oh, doing well. No. Well,

16:22

like you guys were saying I

16:24

just want to say quick about

16:27

the Entertaker style. Like I think

16:29

it was even as weird as

16:31

it. pretty good. I mean I'm

16:33

glad Undertaker won. I thought he

16:35

needed to win because I didn't

16:37

think I heard AJ and they

16:39

send you know kind of the

16:41

crowd or whatever people were home

16:43

happy that they love the Undertaker

16:45

so it's good to see him

16:48

get a win. I thought that

16:50

was you know fine. But I

16:52

want to hear your guys opinion

16:54

on I thought the guys worked

16:56

really hard as far as that.

16:58

I thought they the matches were

17:00

pretty solid all the way around.

17:02

I wish they would have added

17:04

more. The ending of the danger

17:06

Brian Zane was so flat. I

17:08

mean I know Zane's a really

17:11

good heel, he's doing a great

17:13

job as he heals. But just

17:15

to have him win with the

17:17

one move like that, I just,

17:19

I don't know, I didn't care

17:21

about that. What'd you got to

17:23

think? Yeah, yeah, I think, well

17:25

your first point about the match

17:27

is being pretty good, Andrew, I

17:29

would agree, especially... I thought they

17:32

worked really hard and to put

17:34

on the type of performances that

17:36

a lot of those guys put

17:38

on without a crowd, without anything

17:40

to kind of feed off of

17:42

them, was really impressive because so

17:44

much, especially WrestleMania, when you're in

17:46

a stadium full of 80,000 people,

17:48

you're feeding off that energy and

17:50

there's no energy. When you're in

17:52

an empty building, there's no energy

17:55

at all. So they were kind

17:57

of creating things themselves and I

17:59

thought that was good. Andrew, what

18:01

you know, what? Yeah, I was

18:03

disappointed by that as well. I

18:05

kind of thought WW would go

18:07

out of their way to try

18:09

to make like a classic or

18:11

something, because that's a match that

18:13

people had really looked forward to

18:16

for a while in a main

18:18

event stage. So I figured they'd

18:20

give them like 20 minutes and

18:22

just really. deliver something that we

18:24

could be talking about for potentially

18:26

years to come. And yeah, it

18:28

was just ended in lackluster fashion

18:30

and probably the biggest disappointment of

18:32

the night overall, I would say.

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and the blue logo. I just

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think she's still hot that she's

19:27

nowhere near what she was and

19:29

I feel like you could build

19:31

something with her. But again, where

19:33

did they go with Shana now

19:35

like after if they can have

19:37

matches for an a length of

19:39

period of time? I just don't

19:41

see. I just think Becky right

19:43

now is good in chase mode.

19:46

I just think she's she's still

19:48

hot but she's you know nowhere

19:50

near what she was and I

19:52

feel like you could build something

19:54

with Shana and kind of happy

19:56

with Shana. Yeah, that's a booking

19:58

decision that if I were making

20:00

out I would have gone the

20:02

other way too. I think it's

20:04

it's it's it's better to put

20:07

the title on China right now.

20:09

You're trying to start something with

20:11

her, her getting a win over

20:13

Becky Lynch at a WrestleMania, I

20:15

think would have been a big

20:17

deal to kind of kickstart her

20:19

her main roster career. And I

20:21

agree with you, I think seeing

20:23

Becky kind of in chase mode

20:25

wouldn't be the worst thing in

20:27

the world right now. She was

20:30

the hottest thing in wrestling a

20:32

year ago. I mean, they may

20:34

have ended Wrestlemania with that triple

20:36

threat match because of how hot

20:38

she was. And I don't feel

20:40

like... She has as anywhere near

20:42

as much steam as she did

20:44

at this time last year. So

20:46

changing things up a little bit

20:48

there I don't think would have

20:51

been the worst thing in the

20:53

world What about you Andrew? Yeah,

20:55

I completely agree. I mean, she's

20:57

gone through some kind of weird

20:59

transitions lately where she was trying

21:01

to be overly aggressive and dressing

21:03

up really goofy They dialed back

21:05

on that, but there she still

21:07

isn't quite clicking at the moment

21:09

Match and one I was expecting

21:11

another seven or eight minutes and

21:14

yeah Yeah, just I mean if

21:16

you told me those two were

21:18

gonna be in a WrestleMania match

21:20

a year ago I would have

21:22

been pretty excited about it in

21:24

the way it played out. It

21:26

was just Very mediocre I thought

21:28

Thanks for the call. Again, the

21:30

number is 515605. 9345. We'll keep

21:32

rolling through these here. Up next

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is, well, showing all ones, which

21:37

means it's either an international call

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or it's a Skype call. So

21:41

if you're either an international call

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or a Skype caller and you

21:45

just heard a beep, please take

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your name and where you're calling

21:49

from? Yes,

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that's why it shows up.

21:54

Let's see we haven't taken

21:56

light calls in a while

21:58

But I remember the one

22:01

all but the ones across

22:03

the board were either international

22:05

or Skype so how you

22:07

doing tonight? Yeah I'm swell

22:10

I dude tonight was a

22:12

lot of fun and I

22:14

didn't anticipate it being a

22:17

lot of fun because you

22:19

know everything sucks right now

22:21

but I found it like

22:23

a couple people invited me

22:26

to their zoom chat a

22:28

live watch party that's a

22:30

really cool idea It was

22:32

like 20 to 30 people

22:35

deep and it it was

22:37

a lot of fun. So

22:39

that's awesome for tomorrow night

22:42

If you guys want to

22:44

have fun and watch WrestleMania

22:46

in a whole different way

22:48

than you're used to doing

22:51

it Get a few friends

22:53

and and get a zoom

22:55

party on and jet it's

22:57

We all know this is

23:00

this sucks just having some

23:02

people that you can talk

23:04

to and talk crap about

23:07

the matches and you know

23:09

like make little you know

23:11

you know we all got

23:13

our own the way we

23:16

talk about things and stuff

23:18

and and we were all

23:20

eating food and you know

23:22

everybody was it was just

23:25

really fun so if you

23:27

guys if you guys want

23:29

to do that tomorrow That's

23:31

a good way to do

23:34

it. I had a lot

23:36

of fun tonight and talking

23:38

about all these matches. A

23:41

couple things, just a couple

23:43

things that from our group,

23:45

like a couple little funny

23:47

chat or whatever that we

23:50

were talking about. The fans

23:52

from the center made it

23:54

look like a bowling alley.

23:56

and from the bowling alley

23:59

to the to the match

24:01

and him diving off the

24:03

uh... i'm a mania sign

24:06

on the Seth Rollins it

24:08

was i i said how

24:10

many takes do you think

24:12

that took the one take

24:15

yeah that's that's a point

24:17

because they probably had the

24:19

ability to do some of

24:21

that stuff certainly with the

24:24

undertaker styles match but even

24:26

everything that was in the

24:28

building i mean who knows

24:31

how many edits are made

24:33

they had the opportunity to

24:35

edit and make it look

24:37

good and also be like

24:40

let's try this if it

24:42

doesn't work we could do

24:44

something else so i'm sure

24:46

there was there was a

24:49

lot of that do you

24:51

think that was a liberty

24:53

they took because it I

24:56

don't think they did, but it'd be, I

24:58

mean it was funny in our group chat,

25:01

but do you think they took those liberties

25:03

with like the big hard moves? I would

25:05

say so, I mean I don't know what

25:07

you think Andrew, I'm sure if something looked

25:10

bad, they could have been like no we're

25:12

doing that, and well I mean who knows,

25:14

we'll never know, but I don't know that

25:16

they... They shot at different ways or had

25:19

different ideas, but if they were doing a

25:21

big move like that and somebody slips or

25:23

somebody misses or it just doesn't look good,

25:25

they had the ability to be like, whoa,

25:28

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, hit pause,

25:30

let's rewind, we're gonna do this again. So

25:32

yeah, I'm sure over the course of, I

25:35

think it's 16 matches between tonight and tomorrow.

25:37

Over the course of 16 matches, I'm sure

25:39

there were some things that they probably did

25:41

take to on just to make sure they

25:44

had it and they had it looking good.

25:46

What do you think Andrew? I mean, they

25:48

had the opportunity to, right? We've seen it.

25:50

They used to do it with Smackdown. I've

25:53

seen stories and I think I've even put

25:55

out some shows where you're at a Smackdown

25:57

and it's a smackdown and back in the

26:00

day when it was taped and you see

26:02

them kind of run through the same spot

26:04

twice in a row and you. So I'm

26:06

sure here with no crowd, it made it

26:09

a lot easier. They could just, you know,

26:11

cut, take two, reset that. We're gonna do

26:13

it again. Yeah, I bet, I mean, Vince

26:15

McMahon is a notorious control freak. So with

26:18

him basically being able to do whatever he

26:20

wants, I'm sure there were a few things

26:22

in there. I didn't catch anything that was

26:24

super. Like just looked like a giant jump

26:27

cut that looked really goofy and you could

26:29

tell that you know their hair had changed

26:31

Place or something but Yeah, I would not

26:34

be surprised at all if they did a

26:36

bit of that I mean it seemed like

26:38

the latter match had had some interesting Angles

26:40

and cuts that they normally wouldn't have done,

26:43

but Yeah, I guess I hope for Kevin

26:45

Owen's take that he didn't yeah, seven or

26:47

eight times the one the one match Well,

26:49

it was the undertaking match. I noticed it

26:52

and I don't know I don't know if

26:54

this is like what you're saying where they

26:56

went back and they did some things twice

26:58

or they clean guys up or if it

27:01

was just that they they more than likely

27:03

it's they didn't film it in sequential order

27:05

But at one point undertaker in styles both

27:08

had a lot of blood on their arms.

27:10

I don't couldn't tell what I think was

27:12

an undertaker that was cut and AJ just

27:14

had some of his blood on his arm

27:17

But if you notice at the end of

27:19

like the final five minutes of the match

27:21

where they're up in the match or they're

27:23

up? it got cleaned up and taken care

27:26

of between takes or they filmed it out

27:28

of order. That was the only part that

27:30

I noticed where it seemed it didn't take

27:33

me out of it but I was looking

27:35

for something like that especially once I saw

27:37

the blood and it wasn't there at the

27:39

end. So they either you know stitched up

27:42

the cut and cleaned up both their arms

27:44

and started continuing filming or they filmed it

27:46

out of order one or the other. That's

27:48

interesting because he made a point like when

27:51

he cut his arm they like you know

27:53

show that on camera and he said he

27:55

said something to the effect of that so

27:57

you think somebody would know would have noticed

28:00

to just like keep going with that yeah

28:02

yeah i mean i i i can go

28:04

back and watch it again i'm almost sure

28:07

though with that the last of the match

28:09

when they were on the roof and as

28:11

they as they finished up with the tractor

28:13

bearing AJ styles I didn't see any blood

28:16

in his arms so I think I think

28:18

it was not there but I don't know

28:20

anything else yeah that as far as the

28:22

AJ and Undertaker match goes I'm I'm just

28:25

first of all I really I want it

28:27

I want it I A

28:29

like a documentary to be

28:32

filmed about this whole weekend

28:34

and the way it came

28:37

off and then comes off

28:39

because and I really and

28:42

I it's a it's a

28:44

bad joke but I think

28:46

I'm like I would rather

28:49

see a W. W. 24

28:51

episode. Then a dark side

28:54

of the ring episode if

28:56

you know what I'm talking

28:58

about. Yeah, I don't want

29:01

anybody to come out of

29:03

this having any kind of

29:06

like You know viruses or

29:08

anything. Yeah, yeah for sure

29:11

for sure But the I

29:13

want to know if Jeremy

29:15

Borash was involved in that

29:18

in that undertaker AJ Siles

29:20

match and The one

29:23

thing I'm I'll give him a

29:25

pass on pretty much everything tonight,

29:27

and I'm I'm actually really intrigued

29:30

about that finish of that Becky

29:32

match but The only thing I

29:34

will not give him a pass

29:36

on is that AJ Stiles was

29:39

on the tombstone it should have

29:41

been Alan Jones or whatever the

29:43

hell That's a good point. That's

29:46

a really good point. Yeah, that's

29:48

a really good point. I didn't

29:50

think about that, but you're definitely

29:53

right. There was no wife. There

29:55

was no Alan Jones or James

29:57

or whatever his real name is.

30:00

Anyway, thanks for putting on the

30:02

show tonight guys and I hope

30:05

you guys had some kind of

30:07

fun and Be safe guys. Yeah,

30:09

absolutely you too. We appreciate the

30:11

call and yeah, that was that's

30:13

a really good point That's a

30:15

really good point. They they made

30:17

such of They made such a

30:20

big deal out of that that

30:22

putting his full name rather than

30:24

AJ would have been Definitely would

30:26

have been appropriate. Yeah, I think

30:28

I would have got a good

30:30

laugh out of that had they

30:33

actually done that and I Yeah,

30:35

they didn't follow through sadly. Okay,

30:37

up next is 951, who I

30:39

think is Mike. Yeah, how's it

30:41

going guys? I've been listening to

30:43

you guys, since you guys first

30:46

started your podcast, haven't been over

30:48

the kids you guys live yet.

30:50

I absolutely love your show. Real

30:52

quick, I'm sure you guys got

30:54

a lot of stuff going on

30:56

tonight. with both the mania and

30:59

such. I actually was prepared to

31:01

be pretty lethargic as a related

31:03

to tonight's show. Absolutely loved it.

31:05

I thought the opening tag match

31:07

was great. Um, but I mean,

31:09

can we just shift the focus

31:12

from the rest of the car

31:14

to the back to the back

31:16

door pilot for Undertaker dead man

31:18

walking? The city chill coming to

31:20

W. W. W. W. Network. I

31:22

was like, I'm like, like, like,

31:25

I'm 35. We're watching. But like

31:27

I just I'm like giddy for

31:29

a I'm giddy like I'm gonna

31:31

watch that like three other times

31:33

like it was amazing. Yeah. It

31:35

was so hokey. I'm so excited

31:37

for John Tina and uh Bray

31:40

White tomorrow for what they came

31:42

with up to me for just

31:44

just for what they did tonight

31:46

with that match. I'm so excited

31:48

to see Wyatt and seen him

31:50

like I mean it was. Wow.

31:53

Absolutely out of the box. It

31:55

was absolutely different. You know Stephanie

31:57

before the show said let's you

31:59

know try to take your mind's

32:01

off it and I thought they

32:03

did a good job of Taking

32:06

our mind off it, you know, aside from

32:08

when you see, you know, nobility in the crowd,

32:10

but but aside from that I really really really

32:12

enjoyed that That that matter I found it absolutely

32:14

fantastic, and I would watch the I would

32:16

watch the crap out of an undertaker w

32:19

w w series. I'm just saying

32:21

Yeah, yeah, that's a really good

32:23

point. I mean, I'm very excited

32:25

guys, very excited. I don't blame

32:27

you. I don't, hey, you know

32:29

what, we need something to excite

32:32

us. Geez, the last three weeks

32:34

have been abysmal. So if nothing

32:36

else, it was nice just to

32:38

get a break for a night

32:40

and watch, you know, watch a

32:42

pay-per-view quality card. So that was

32:44

fun. And I think tomorrow, honestly,

32:47

I think tomorrow night it's going

32:49

to be even bigger than even

32:51

bigger. I totally agree. I

32:53

didn't have one more question

32:55

for you guys. So what

32:57

was the point of Beren

33:00

Corbin retiring Curdengo last year?

33:02

Yeah. Well, you see, he

33:04

needed a retired Credengo so

33:06

he could put the crown

33:09

on his head. Right. I

33:11

don't mind Beren Corbin. I

33:13

actually think he's really,

33:15

he's fine. He's totally acceptable. He's...

33:18

I hate him, which is why

33:20

I'm supposed to hate him. But

33:22

like, if you try to curderingle

33:25

a box to a lie, like I just, I

33:27

don't understand. Can you guys

33:29

have any idea where they're going

33:31

with this whatsoever? Because I mean,

33:33

I literally, if I had to

33:36

bet a mortgage payment, thankfully

33:38

I didn't. I thought that was the most,

33:40

you know, like all the baby faces

33:42

were going over tonight. I don't understand

33:44

how Baron Corbin does it win. Like

33:47

I could make zero sense to me.

33:49

I don't know. Vince loves Bear and

33:51

Corbin. That's why he retired Kurt Angle.

33:53

But yeah, it's amazing. And like this

33:55

is one of the things that Andrew

33:57

and I talk about a lot. I

34:00

think Andrew you'd agree, and it's frustrating.

34:02

It's like there's never any follow-up on

34:04

anything. And like I said, that was

34:06

a big moment last year. That was

34:08

one of the premier matches on WrestleMania

34:10

35, was Angle v. Corbett, and everybody

34:12

was disappointed that it was Baron Corbin.

34:14

But even afterwards, you look at, I

34:16

think it's easy every time around WrestleMania

34:18

to look back and be like, oh,

34:20

this is where this person was last

34:22

year, like, you can look at the

34:24

road that Drew McIntire took from last

34:27

year to this year, and now he's

34:29

in the main event. look at the

34:31

road that Baron Corbin took like it's

34:33

he hasn't done much he hasn't really

34:35

done anything and I didn't even honestly

34:37

say the same for Becky Lynch we

34:39

talked about her earlier but like she

34:41

was the star at this time last

34:43

year and it does feel like a

34:45

little bit of that is faded so

34:47

but the corporate thing Andrew I don't

34:49

know do you have any explanation for

34:51

it because I certainly don't know I

34:54

mean I remember last year being like

34:56

genuinely excited over the idea of John

34:58

Sina facing Kurt angle and you know

35:00

them playing off of their history together

35:02

I think that would have been just

35:04

fantastic but you know McMahon doesn't really

35:06

care about things like that and I

35:08

figured with Baron Corbin like they must

35:10

have something big in mind for him

35:12

and it all it lead to was

35:14

like a crappy king gimmick that they

35:16

keep recycling over and over again I

35:18

must say I do like the fact

35:20

that like Baron Corbin tried to kill

35:23

Elias and Elias gets as a revenge

35:25

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36:20

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36:22

Yeah, yeah. All you guys

36:24

go, I love your guys'

36:26

shows, always. Thanks so much

36:28

for everything. Fine, I mean,

36:30

because I'm having a horrible

36:32

connection, my bad. Thanks for

36:34

the call, we appreciate it.

36:36

Yeah, there's a lot that

36:38

can be confusing about the

36:40

way Vince McMahon will book

36:42

his television sometimes. It's one

36:44

of the reasons that Andrew

36:46

and I have complained about

36:48

him quite a bit on

36:50

Wednesday night slash Thursday shows.

36:52

And we don't even cover

36:54

his company on our shows,

36:56

but we still find lost

36:58

a good plan about it.

37:00

I still probably compare like

37:02

half of what I talk

37:04

about to WDB. Okay, let's

37:06

go to our next caller.

37:08

My screen flashed and had

37:10

to reload on me, Andrew.

37:12

That's scary. We're still on

37:14

though, right? You can hear

37:16

me? Yes, I can hear

37:18

you. Good. Hopefully everybody else

37:20

can. Let's see. Let's see.

37:22

Let's see if 703 can.

37:24

703. Can you hear us?

37:26

703? My page reloaded and

37:28

I wasn't sure if we

37:30

still had you, had our

37:33

switchboard up and running. So

37:35

yes, we are here. Hey,

37:37

what's up? This is Nate

37:39

from Virginia. How are you

37:41

guys doing? Hey, pretty good.

37:43

How are you? And good.

37:45

Hey, I'm just glad that

37:47

a pay-per-view ended at 10

37:49

p.m. Instead of, you know,

37:51

like, 1.35 a. I know

37:53

this is great. I don't

37:55

know what we're going to

37:57

do with all this time.

37:59

As a dad, as a

38:01

dad that's been brutal the

38:03

last few times, hey I

38:05

have two quick thoughts. I

38:07

thought one thing that was

38:09

interesting was the distinction I

38:11

heard some people commentating on

38:13

some podcasts about. Restlers have

38:15

been used to wrestling in

38:17

front of no people as

38:19

they kind of paid their

38:21

dues on the Indies and

38:23

I thought that it was

38:25

really striking to see kind

38:27

of who was able to.

38:31

manner in front of no people

38:33

compared to the full two. I

38:35

think it's just come up strictly

38:37

from the W. W. System. Both

38:39

the guys who paid the indie

38:41

dues like the Seth and K.

38:43

O. Definitely the Sammy Zane and

38:45

Daniel Bryan. I thought those guys

38:47

were definitely able to, you know,

38:49

able to put on a compelling

38:51

performance with no crowd where I

38:53

saw Alexa and you know, when

38:55

it's on Nikki Cross, trying to

38:57

do a hot tag. you know,

38:59

hand clap, which doesn't really work

39:01

in your audience. So, what's you

39:03

guys thinking about that? Do you

39:05

think that there was a distinction

39:08

in terms that he was able

39:10

to pull off a performance with

39:12

no audience? Yeah, that's a really

39:14

good point. It's actually something I

39:16

hadn't considered, but I mean, I

39:18

was just, I was in awe

39:20

at the ones that were able

39:22

to pull off really good performances

39:24

I had considered either. No, I

39:26

mean, yeah, I don't think anyone

39:28

really stuck out to me in

39:30

a negative way of just thinking

39:32

like, oh, this is super cringy

39:34

there. Do they don't know what

39:36

they're doing? I mean, maybe Corbin

39:38

and Elias, just I didn't care

39:40

about that in general, but I

39:42

think, you know, it was kind

39:44

of interesting, I thought, how wrestlers

39:46

were just, you could hear them

39:48

talking to each other more, like

39:51

Seth Rollins and KO. Do that

39:53

all the time and they're actually

39:55

like you know beating character but

39:57

I think that kind of helped

39:59

cover up a little bit just

40:01

to give us something kind of

40:03

new to listen in on. Yeah

40:05

I mean I definitely thought some

40:07

of those guys did a better

40:09

job and others kind of filling

40:11

in the space with some comments.

40:13

My other quick comment is I

40:15

do guys I'm all in on

40:17

that taker a thing like if

40:19

they were gonna do a pretaped

40:21

action movie I appreciate the fact

40:23

that they kind of went all

40:25

in with it. I thought takers

40:27

lines and his delivery were actually

40:29

on par with some pretty solid,

40:32

you know, big budget action movies,

40:34

you know, action movies that we

40:36

see on Hollywood. And yeah, I

40:38

mean, sure, was it ridiculous? Like,

40:40

yeah, but was it worse than,

40:42

you know, fake fighting in an

40:44

empty arena to no audience? Definitely

40:46

not. It was awesome. I'm a

40:48

huge fan of it. I thought

40:50

that they over delivered with that

40:52

match and I definitely left it

40:54

with a small on my face

40:56

with AJ's gloves sticking up out

40:58

of it. Yeah, for sure. I

41:00

mean, Andrew and I talked about

41:02

how we saw the kind of

41:04

the original cinematic matches and impact

41:06

and this this definitely had more

41:08

of a budget. I mean, you

41:10

had the big ending with the

41:13

fire on the roof and the

41:15

undertaker sing. symbols being projected there

41:17

on the side of the building.

41:19

I mean, it was, there was

41:21

definitely more production value behind it.

41:23

And I thought, you know, I

41:25

don't know that I want to

41:27

see these tabs on matches all

41:29

the time. I think they can

41:31

work if they're few and far

41:33

between, but this was up there

41:35

with one of my more favorite

41:37

ones, probably going back to the

41:39

original Matt and Jeff Hardy matching

41:41

impact, just because it was kind

41:43

of cool to see some of

41:45

the added production elements. To it

41:47

that we didn't really have what

41:49

some of those impact ones because

41:51

they didn't have the money that

41:53

W. He has what about you?

41:56

Yeah I thought this overall, like

41:58

yeah, I thought this was acting

42:00

wise, some of the best work

42:02

Undertaker has ever done, because he's

42:04

really hit or miss from me,

42:06

where he's just really cheesy, and

42:08

his lines are too forced, but

42:10

like when he comes across as

42:12

more of an actual person, for

42:14

the most, you know, minus the

42:16

teleporting stuff, but yeah, I thought

42:18

he was really good, and I

42:20

actually thought like, I would rather

42:22

see like two more of these

42:24

in the coming years from Undertaker

42:26

than like actually see him in

42:28

the in the in the ring.

42:30

trying to put together a seven

42:32

eight minute match so like i

42:34

mean honestly you could do like

42:37

the thing match this way if

42:39

i ever did want to get

42:41

to that yeah i mean because

42:43

that's not a bad idea too

42:45

i mean they told i thought

42:47

One of the bigger difference makers

42:49

with this one too was they

42:51

told a good story. I mean

42:53

there was a story binder. It

42:55

wasn't just two guys fighting in

42:57

the woods. You know it was,

42:59

and like you said some of

43:01

the acting with Undertaker at the

43:03

very end, you know, grab an

43:05

AJ and being like, what am

43:07

I old now? You think I'm

43:09

old now? Like just some of

43:11

the stuff, the way that they

43:13

shot are the things that the

43:15

guys were saying, I thought it

43:18

told a pretty good Shakespeare. you

43:20

know compared to some of the

43:22

last few taker matches that we've

43:24

seen yeah do just put him

43:26

as an action star give us

43:28

a breath of fresh air you

43:30

know while people are getting a

43:32

new beer in a slice of

43:34

pizza hey thanks guys I hope

43:36

you enjoy it stay safe stay

43:38

well and we'll see tomorrow night

43:40

absolutely you too again the number

43:42

is six Oh sure 515 not

43:44

six five one five six zero

43:46

five I've done this in a

43:48

while five one five six zero

43:50

five ninety three 45 hit the

43:52

number one that's gonna let us

43:54

know you want to get on

43:56

the line next caller is from

43:58

area code six oh nine six

44:01

oh nine police take your name

44:03

and we're calling from hello here

44:05

yep yeah Hey, I was gonna

44:07

tell me I wonder, this was

44:09

one of those matches where I

44:11

wonder if none of this. coronavirus

44:13

stuff was going on. If this

44:15

match was taken in place in

44:17

the stadium in Tampa and everything

44:19

was as normal, would Daniel Bryan

44:21

have won here? You know, was

44:23

this just an example of they

44:25

didn't want to change titles under

44:27

these circumstances? I don't know. You

44:29

know, maybe they changed the women's

44:31

stack team titles, but was this

44:33

a case of them wanting to

44:35

kind of save the Daniel Bryan

44:37

winning the intercontinental title? picture and

44:39

doing that in front of people

44:42

or was it just they are

44:44

getting behind Sammy's aim? What do

44:46

you think it was Andrew? I

44:48

mean it could be that they

44:50

just didn't want to trade too

44:52

many different titles tonight and maybe

44:54

thought that might water it down

44:56

a bit. And you know this

44:58

is maybe just wishful thinking but

45:00

I think Daniel Bryan's contract is

45:02

up soon, relatively soon so maybe

45:04

this. I think it's the end

45:06

of the year, yeah. Oh, okay.

45:08

So maybe, you know, they didn't

45:10

want to give him a big

45:12

WrestleMania moment. But I mean, I

45:14

guess if that's a ways off,

45:16

maybe not. But, yeah. I don't

45:18

know if it's the actual end

45:20

of the year, but it's sometime

45:23

towards the end of the year.

45:25

So it's a few months away,

45:27

but it's not that which, I

45:29

mean, in reality. we might not

45:31

have wrestling in front of people

45:33

again until close to the end

45:35

of the year so I thought

45:37

I saw something today where the

45:39

all the major sports commissioners and

45:41

I think Vince McMahon was on

45:43

this call as well with the

45:45

federal government the president and the

45:47

the news coming out of the

45:49

call that I saw right around

45:51

the time Wrestle-manning started was that

45:53

the NFL should be able to

45:55

start on time well that's September

45:57

Yes, among... That's September, yeah. And

45:59

they're saying it wasn't like, oh,

46:01

the NFL will definitely start on

46:03

time. It was the NFL should

46:06

be able to start on time.

46:08

So that, I mean, who knows?

46:10

Like I guess, who knows when

46:12

we're gonna see wrestling in front

46:14

of people again? I mean, these

46:16

empty arena shows might be the

46:18

new normal for the next several

46:20

months. Anything else, Joe? Yeah,

46:24

I mean, the only other thing that

46:26

I really wanted to touch on was

46:28

how impressive and how much it seemed

46:30

they put over John Morrison. I never

46:32

really felt, you know, and really think

46:34

about that he's distinguished as an original.

46:36

I guess he came up through their

46:38

system in a way and he has

46:40

that moment where Chris Binlaw wasn't available

46:42

and he was able to win a

46:44

title. So it was interesting to see

46:46

that in that match rather than going

46:48

back to Kofi, a big moment last

46:51

year, they really put over John Morris.

46:53

Yeah, that's a really good point. And

46:55

I thought that they did a really

46:57

good job of doing that too. I

46:59

thought that the finish was innovative, having

47:01

the belts kind of fly off and

47:03

Morrison takes the big bump at the

47:05

end of the match and happens to

47:07

take the belts with him. But he

47:09

had a really good showing in this

47:11

match. I liked that they weren't afraid

47:13

to do something a little innovative when,

47:15

you know, Ms. wasn't going to be

47:18

involved. They decided, hey, we're going to

47:20

do a tag team. Latter match where

47:22

just one team sends one person, each

47:24

team sends one person in. It was

47:26

kind of a neat little wrinkle too.

47:28

So I thought the whole thing was

47:30

really well done and Morrison did look

47:32

good. You know, all three of those

47:34

guys kind of had their moments in

47:36

their places to shine, but Morrison did

47:38

look really good. I mean, that's Spanish

47:40

fly coming off the top or open

47:42

the corner. The big bump at the

47:45

end where he won the match, fall

47:47

on the ladder. Yeah, I thought he

47:49

looked really good too and really impressive.

47:51

He's somebody I think they could potentially

47:53

move it. I don't think you want

47:55

to you don't want to build the

47:57

company around him or anything, but I

47:59

think he's good enough to be in

48:01

like a quick made event program and

48:03

put over who the ever the top.

48:05

baby faces and he said so many

48:07

years in the business that I think

48:09

he's somebody they should be protecting and

48:12

relatively kind of big way I wrote

48:14

this down I think one of my

48:16

favorite lines of the night it was

48:18

when he did like a 450 and

48:20

JBL is like that reminds you have

48:22

a young Kurt Henning and I'm like

48:24

in what way? God never said Kurt

48:26

Henning do that move and also John

48:28

Morrison is 40 so yeah I don't

48:30

get that comparison. That's a really good

48:32

point. Yeah, I don't know exactly how

48:34

that would have reminded you of crude

48:36

heading either. I don't remember any 450's

48:39

that crude heading was doing, no offense

48:41

to curt. Anything else, Joe? I think

48:43

just on my way out there, just

48:45

to mention for tomorrow, the sweet but

48:47

of the mile, the sweeper mad, I'm

48:49

hoping we can take the most, uh,

48:51

intriguing out with the black and body,

48:53

actually. Yeah, I wonder

48:55

what that's good at where that's going

48:58

to be placed tomorrow. I mean that

49:00

could be that could be I wouldn't

49:02

be surprised if that opens a show

49:04

tomorrow night I think that could be

49:07

a roperner just because I mean they're

49:09

not going to open with Edge or

49:11

Orton or Sina or obviously the title

49:13

match or even the women's match So

49:16

that has kind of I think it's

49:18

got a really good bet a really

49:20

good chance at open in the show.

49:22

Mm-hmm. I think so too. We're

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49:49

right, we actually have another. 609 area

49:51

code calling in. So last one, Joe's

49:53

in Atlantic City. 609, is this still

49:55

Atlantic City or are you somewhere else?

49:57

No, I see I'm from Jersey, but

49:59

I actually live in the DC area.

50:02

Okay. Jersey number though, right? And I'm

50:04

surprised. And yeah, I'm surprised that you

50:06

took my call like right away. I

50:08

literally just called in, but. Oh, there

50:10

you go. See, we take care of

50:12

our callers here. Yeah, that's what I'm

50:14

talking about. Yeah, exactly. But my one

50:17

said, I mean, I'm more or less

50:19

making a statement as opposed to a

50:21

question. Sure. I mean, from my take,

50:23

my take on everything was that, I

50:25

mean, I would say every single match,

50:27

except for the Goldberg and Braun match,

50:29

which was kind of cringworthy, was either

50:32

entertaining or it was either, it was,

50:34

per some pretty good action. I mean,

50:36

the first match was definitely, I guess

50:38

you could say, I guess you could

50:40

say, It was decent, it was good,

50:42

it was good, it was a nice

50:44

little eye catcher, very entertaining with the

50:47

ladies in there. But definitely my favorite

50:49

match, and I just want to make,

50:51

this is the main statement that I

50:53

want to make, is that with K.O.

50:55

and Seth Rollins, like I have a

50:57

newfound respect for them. I mean, all

51:00

of your basic wrestling, one-on-one elements were

51:02

in there, which were suspense. I mean,

51:04

drama, story building, a slow progression of

51:06

a story. I mean, just everything. Honestly,

51:08

like I have, I always had a

51:10

deep respect for those two. Now, even

51:12

ten times more so. So I just

51:15

kind of want to get you, both

51:17

of your, you know, ideas on how

51:19

well, like, Seth and, you know, K.O.

51:21

did tonight. I mean, because honestly, I

51:23

think that, I mean, for them to

51:25

pull that off in an empty arena

51:27

was just top match. It was like

51:30

my favorite match of the night. and

51:32

even like i mean now the i

51:34

definitely want to get that comment but

51:36

definitely even the last match if you

51:38

even want to call it that the

51:40

boneyard match i mean it was funny

51:42

it was cream you were the awkward

51:45

it was all that but yet it

51:47

was still entertaining so I thumbs up

51:49

to WWE tonight definitely I want to

51:51

get your comments on the K-O versus

51:53

Seth Rollins match and you know speaking

51:55

to their professionalism so that's all I

51:58

had you commute me Awesome, hey, we

52:00

appreciate the call. That was one that,

52:02

Andrew, I think you brought it up

52:04

earlier, but that's, that was one of

52:06

the matches that really stood out is

52:08

two guys that worked the empty arena

52:10

really well and you could hear them

52:13

talking to each other and that added

52:15

an element. It's something we don't usually

52:17

see. We don't, we don't, we don't

52:19

usually hear, I guess. The guys kind

52:21

of talking to each other and look,

52:23

look, a lot of the dialogue that

52:25

they were having during that match. over

52:28

the course of a regular match with

52:30

80,000 people in the building. They're probably

52:32

not having that type of dialogue because

52:34

only the people in the front row

52:36

are going to hear it. But I

52:38

mean they were smart enough to include

52:40

some of that in their match and

52:43

I thought that that built the drama

52:45

more. You know obviously Undertaker and AJ

52:47

Stiles did it but that was more

52:49

of a movie than a match. But

52:51

the Kevin Owens Seth Rollins match they

52:53

played out their story and the dialogue

52:55

they used over the course of the

52:58

match, talking to each other. match and

53:00

it really made that match stand out

53:02

tonight. I think so too. You know

53:04

the thing of the night was to

53:06

kind of like the goal of tonight

53:08

was to get people to forget about

53:11

the outside world and I and I

53:13

will say for like the first hour

53:15

I just couldn't because it's I mean

53:17

even when we watch AW it's just

53:19

so weird still watching all these empty

53:21

arenas but I you know somewhere like

53:23

along the lines halfway through the show

53:26

I just got used to it and

53:28

I think those guys are really I

53:30

wasn't missing the crowd that much during

53:32

that match. Like of course it would

53:34

have been better had they been there,

53:36

but no, yeah, I think they put

53:38

on a really good match. It was

53:41

really encouraging to see Kevin Owens finally

53:43

get the win and finally get a

53:45

meaningful win as a baby face. And

53:47

yeah, just the way just the way

53:49

they talk to each other and just

53:51

Seth Rollins talking so much trash and

53:53

he wanted to see him finally get

53:56

his and he did. So just a

53:58

satisfying like. story. So yeah, I enjoyed

54:00

it. The only thing I'll say, and

54:02

this is going to be a preference

54:04

of WWW Eden to do it this

54:06

way, I like AEW setup in the

54:09

sense that they've got wrestlers at ringside,

54:11

they've got, and it's probably not just

54:13

the wrestlers, it's probably crew members and

54:15

whatnot, making noise. You know, even this

54:17

past week when they were filming at

54:19

Q.T. Marshall's school and they weren't a

54:21

Daily's place, they were people around the

54:24

ring and they were making noise. And

54:26

I just, I think that that does

54:28

add something to it, you know, because

54:30

I'm, we've seen the, the studio shows,

54:32

you know, kind of those, NWA Power

54:34

is very similar. Those old school studio

54:36

shows where there's not a ton of

54:39

noise, but you hear people cheering and

54:41

you know, and you know, differently because

54:43

I just would have had somebody making

54:45

noise and maybe it's it doesn't have

54:47

to be wrestlers I mean if you

54:49

want to put wrestlers in street clothes

54:51

and don't put them on camera just

54:54

have them stand off in the corners

54:56

and I'm yelling scream and just tell

54:58

them to create an atmosphere have the

55:00

you know the producers and the guys

55:02

holding the cables holding the cables at

55:04

ringside yelling and screaming just trying to

55:06

create some type of you don't have

55:09

to put them on you don't have

55:11

to put them on camera just have

55:13

the noise in the noise in the

55:15

background I think it it makes it

55:17

easier for me to kind of immerse

55:19

myself in the match. I've noticed it

55:22

with AEW big time because when they

55:24

do it I find myself having a

55:26

much easier time getting involved in the

55:28

show as opposed to the empty arena

55:30

match. There's a couple of instances tonight

55:32

and I heard it last night I

55:34

think on Smackdown and other times when

55:37

they've been in empty arenas where you

55:39

hear Michael Cole calling the action and...

55:41

You actually can hear his echo like

55:43

you can hear his echo in the

55:45

building and that kind of that always

55:47

throws me What do you think? I

55:49

mean, I just think somebody making noise

55:52

a group of people making noise even

55:54

if it's 10 people is is better

55:56

than zero Yeah, I think they if

55:58

they were able to do that they

56:00

definitely should have. Especially like I was

56:02

saying before like it took me while

56:04

to get into the show like like

56:07

the first match I just I could

56:09

recognize it was good athletically but it

56:11

was just too weird. I wasn't into

56:13

it because it was just so hard

56:15

especially because it's like God this is

56:17

WrestleMania and there's there's nothing. But I

56:19

do like the idea kind of like

56:22

you're saying like they should have the

56:24

people at ringside like running chords and

56:26

stuff. They should have at least been

56:28

able to react to like big moments

56:30

like Kevin Owensans jumping off. the sign

56:32

like you would you know it would

56:35

just be a natural human emotion to

56:37

be like oh my god like is

56:39

he okay you know yeah yeah just

56:41

now and then letting the people chime

56:43

in so I think yeah like as

56:45

we've seen an AW though just a

56:47

little bit of noise goes a long

56:50

way and I wish going forward if

56:52

they're able to legally that it would

56:54

be nice to to work in something

56:56

like that yeah I just think it

56:58

makes it watching the matches I think

57:00

easier and then but you know that

57:02

being said there's there's other things they

57:05

did well Rollins and and in Kevin

57:07

Owens we talked about you know their

57:09

kind of dialogue. I like that the

57:11

referee at the beginning of the Daniel

57:13

Bryan Sammy Zane match you could hear

57:15

the referee saying to Sammy Zane like

57:17

come on this is a championship match

57:20

get in the ring let's go. Little

57:22

thing that otherwise you know we wouldn't

57:24

have heard otherwise. You know we wouldn't

57:26

have heard otherwise. You would have seen

57:28

the referee kind of you know yelling

57:30

at Sammy Zane and waving his arms

57:33

and pointing. of it to I forget

57:35

exactly every example but that dialogue with

57:37

the referees talking to the wrestlers they

57:39

did some good things and I'm sure

57:41

that's stuff that maybe they're not always

57:43

doing maybe they are and we just

57:45

don't hear it but it maybe I

57:48

think some of that dialogue is probably

57:50

not always there you know in a

57:52

match with people in a building with

57:54

people in it the referee might be

57:56

looking at the same he's going go

57:58

get in the ring not necessarily Come

58:00

on, Samie, this is a championship match.

58:03

You gotta get in here. Just adding

58:05

kind of more layers to the dialogue,

58:07

I think, was good. And they did

58:09

that a lot. I mean, there was

58:11

a lot of examples of that tonight.

58:13

Yeah, I think, you know, at this

58:15

point, I would have thought they would

58:18

have made more of an effort to

58:20

do something. something I was looking forward

58:22

to to seeing how they would try

58:24

to fix that but I know they

58:26

kind of went out of their way

58:28

before to say that they wouldn't have

58:30

people at ringside kind of taking their

58:33

dig at AEW and they tried to

58:35

at least make the the inside of

58:37

the performance center look a little different.

58:39

Rowland Smackdown which has been empty chairs

58:41

the chairs were gone which was good

58:43

those were gone for Smackdown on Friday

58:46

as well but don't put the chairs

58:48

out. The empty chairs I think is

58:50

more distracting than anything else. So get

58:52

the chairs out of there. They hung

58:54

the big Wrestlemania sign on one side

58:56

of the rink, rink, I'm in hockey

58:58

mode, on one side of the building

59:01

on one side of the ring and

59:03

then the stage had all the Wrestlemania,

59:05

Signia all over it and it looked

59:07

like there was a couple of extra

59:09

video towers kind of on the sides.

59:11

So they did a good job I

59:13

think of making of making the building

59:16

feel different than the empty raw and

59:18

smackdowns. Yeah, I think so yeah, that's

59:20

a good point. I mean they I

59:22

think they did pretty much what they

59:24

could I'm sure they would have had

59:26

a giant pirate ship They probably spent

59:28

thousands trying to put one together and

59:31

it's just sitting in a warehouse somewhere

59:33

Just going back to like the crowd

59:35

noise for a moment too I think

59:37

my biggest fear of the night was

59:39

that Gronk would be out there the

59:41

entire night Yeah, and it would be

59:44

just him. So I'm actually those surprised

59:46

like he didn't do anything tonight. He

59:48

they said he said he was out

59:50

for the Daniel Bryan match and that

59:52

was it. So yeah he was over

59:54

the Daniel Ryan match and that was

59:56

good I mean I thought that was

59:59

good use to him him and Mojo

1:00:01

doing the yeses I mean that was

1:00:03

a good that was good use of

1:00:05

a garlic rock. I don't know what

1:00:07

is going to happen tomorrow. I mean,

1:00:09

Mojo won the 24-7 championship tonight. So...

1:00:11

Oh, he did? Right, didn't he? I

1:00:14

mean, I was in and out of

1:00:16

my living room at one point. Maybe

1:00:18

I missed that. I thought he did.

1:00:20

Oh, maybe I was out of the

1:00:22

room. I don't know. Oh, wow. Or

1:00:24

maybe they were showing a clip. Were

1:00:28

they showing? It was, I'm not going

1:00:30

to lie to you, Andrew. There was

1:00:32

at one point in the night where

1:00:34

my son was like, dad, let's have

1:00:36

a wrestling match on the rug, and

1:00:38

we were fighting. So, actually, I had

1:00:40

to tap out. He got you. It

1:00:42

was embarrassing. He had me in a

1:00:44

legit, like guillotine choke, and he was

1:00:46

cranking on it. Oh. Yeah. He was

1:00:48

cranking on it. I was starting to

1:00:50

fade. So I tapped and then he

1:00:52

got scared and went to go get

1:00:54

my wife who was in the other

1:00:56

room because he was like dad's head

1:00:58

is like face is really red and

1:01:00

she came out she's like you okay

1:01:02

I'm like I'm fine she's like what's

1:01:04

the matter I go I'm fine I'm

1:01:06

fine I'm fine I'm fine I don't

1:01:08

want to talk about it I go

1:01:10

our son had me in a chokehold

1:01:12

and I almost went to sleep so

1:01:14

maybe I'm wrong I looked up during

1:01:16

that and mojo won the 24 maybe

1:01:18

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at P.W.W.com. I

1:01:57

yeah I mean I left the room

1:01:59

to get at pizza and some drinks

1:02:01

and maybe I miss it. I, you

1:02:03

know, I was, I wouldn't be shocked.

1:02:05

I mean, I guess I could easily

1:02:07

look it up, but like, I'm wondering

1:02:09

if they will do some sort of

1:02:11

dumb call back to like ginger mall

1:02:13

tomorrow and, you know, ginger pins, grunk,

1:02:15

or no, ginger pins, mojo. Yeah. I

1:02:18

mean, what I think, I mean, honestly,

1:02:20

what I think the original plan was,

1:02:22

and I don't know if this is

1:02:24

gonna happen now or not, summer slams

1:02:26

in Boston. Triple

1:02:29

H and Stephanie were at a Gronk

1:02:31

Super Bowl party back in January. Triple

1:02:33

H had tweeted a picture of them

1:02:36

all together and said something in the

1:02:38

event of like, hey Gronk, summer slams

1:02:40

in Boston, maybe you should come, or

1:02:43

something like that. Gronk has said that

1:02:45

he wants to do a match. He

1:02:47

doesn't want to wrestle full time, but

1:02:50

Gronk has said he wants to do

1:02:52

a match. He grew up, he was

1:02:54

a fan as a kid. I think

1:02:57

he wants to do a match. I

1:02:59

wonder if the plan, and this may

1:03:01

have changed now, because who knows if

1:03:04

someone's left is ever going to happen,

1:03:06

not to be Mr. pessimist here, but

1:03:08

I wonder if the plan was, Gronk

1:03:10

doesn't match at Somerset. You know, Gronk

1:03:13

and Mojo against two other guys or

1:03:15

something. So if that's still the plan,

1:03:17

that could get set up tomorrow. I

1:03:21

would imagine they have bigger plans for

1:03:23

him tomorrow than what they did. I

1:03:25

mean, I'm assuming they didn't want to

1:03:28

go overboard with him, but he was

1:03:30

just such a non-factor that, you know,

1:03:32

you might as well not have had

1:03:34

him host. Yeah, yeah, he really wasn't

1:03:37

out there for much. Okay, let's go

1:03:39

back to the phones. I believe, I

1:03:41

don't think this is a call we

1:03:43

took you, the call switchboard. Vanished and

1:03:45

then came back and it's all in

1:03:48

a different order So I have to

1:03:50

go through and figure out which ones

1:03:52

we took and which ones we didn't

1:03:54

I don't believe we took this number

1:03:56

yet though So let's see seven eight

1:03:59

six have we talked to you yet

1:04:01

No, so you have not all right

1:04:03

There we go, see. I was able

1:04:05

to call it from my own. How

1:04:08

you doing? I was trying to remember

1:04:10

the numbers because they all got out

1:04:12

of order on me there and I

1:04:14

was like, oh, we're gonna have the

1:04:16

guess here. Actually, Bojo did win the

1:04:19

24 7 title. Okay, so I was

1:04:21

getting put to sleep by my technical.

1:04:23

Yeah. All of that moment, I came

1:04:25

in and then Brog tried to pin

1:04:27

him and then Bojo pushed him out

1:04:30

of the way. went over and pinned

1:04:32

him and went to town and then

1:04:34

we went up and then we never

1:04:36

saw Gronk again. Yeah, because if I

1:04:39

remember and again I was kind of

1:04:41

like I was teetering on the edge

1:04:43

of being unconscious, but Gronk, Gronk didn't

1:04:45

look too happy, right? No, no, he

1:04:47

didn't. So I think, you know, I

1:04:50

think he's like your last car or

1:04:52

the last person said, I think they're

1:04:54

shutting up something, but it was pretty,

1:04:56

I felt like, you know, you know,

1:04:59

they didn't want to overuse him, he's

1:05:01

too nice. But you know, it was

1:05:03

alright for the circumstances, you know, to

1:05:05

have them out there. But I was

1:05:07

calling because the Broadstrom and Goldberg match,

1:05:10

I thought it was so funny that

1:05:12

they had security for Goldberg in an

1:05:14

empty arena. Like, that was a lot

1:05:16

of things you think about. It was

1:05:18

really for Goldberg, where there's like two

1:05:21

people in the entire arena. That was

1:05:23

pretty funny. So I'm doing that. I

1:05:25

just, I don't know, man. I feel

1:05:27

like the match. typical Goldberg quick match.

1:05:30

I don't know if you agree with

1:05:32

you. Yeah. Thanks to title like that.

1:05:34

I don't know. You're even lost in

1:05:36

here. Like you don't people want to

1:05:38

even talk about it. Like you go

1:05:41

on Twitter or not. Nobody's talking about

1:05:43

that title match. Nobody's been mentioning that

1:05:45

Braun's home and the one. The universal

1:05:47

title for it. Nope. No, I would

1:05:49

imagine everyone's talking about the undertaking match,

1:05:52

right? Exactly, that was very interesting. I

1:05:54

mean, that was very interesting. I mean,

1:05:56

and they actually, I saw a guy

1:05:58

that posted a Twitter that had on,

1:06:01

like, behind it. the images of them

1:06:03

recording the actual match. I think Fox

1:06:05

Sports had it out there. They even

1:06:07

tweeted it and said great job tonight.

1:06:09

So it was pretty good. I love

1:06:11

the fact that he saw the tape

1:06:14

when he took off, you know, at

1:06:16

the end. And he, you know, the

1:06:18

logo came out in the background. You

1:06:20

know, that's becoming a meme already. But

1:06:23

AJ Stiles, and that's already a meme.

1:06:25

I mean, I did just so many

1:06:27

nudges. And then not hardly added tweet

1:06:29

out there that he said, but he's

1:06:31

Twitter is blowing out because everybody. It

1:06:34

was pretty good. I thought that much

1:06:36

is great, but listen to me, this is

1:06:38

not in my theory. I don't know

1:06:40

what you guys thinking, if you can

1:06:42

meet me after this, I would appreciate

1:06:44

it. I think, what do we do

1:06:47

is, I really like this idea of

1:06:49

having WrestleMania two nights. Why? Because in

1:06:51

the previous years, by the time, Romania

1:06:53

ends, what, 1230, almost one o'clock every

1:06:55

single time, we're all tired, and so

1:06:58

that we had too much wrestling wrestling

1:07:00

and overload. You know, so how about

1:07:02

we do? Many of the two nights,

1:07:04

like tonight, seven to ten, and then

1:07:06

tomorrow seven to eleven, you know, you

1:07:09

give plenty of time to the

1:07:11

number. The entrances take up a

1:07:13

couple of minutes out of every

1:07:15

match. So that's why they probably

1:07:17

could only be three hours tonight. But

1:07:20

if they do that for two nights,

1:07:22

then you have what's called, you have

1:07:24

what's called, meaning, I mean, I mean,

1:07:26

they have, like, two nights. I think

1:07:28

it makes sense for them too. I

1:07:31

mean, that's two-night thing that they are

1:07:33

doing this year is probably an

1:07:35

experiment to see if it works for

1:07:37

next year and moving forward. I think

1:07:39

it makes sense for them too. I

1:07:42

mean, that's two nights they get to

1:07:44

fill up at 80,000 seat stadium. It's

1:07:46

a lot more revenue. It's a lot

1:07:49

more revenue. It's a lot more revenue.

1:07:51

Yeah. You know, they could sell a

1:07:53

two-night ticket, a double the price or...

1:07:57

I was just going to say they could do it as a two-night

1:07:59

ticket or they could... do it a single night

1:08:01

so I mean there's there's a lot

1:08:03

more money to be made that way

1:08:05

I think it's easier on the fans

1:08:07

to who are watching the show especially

1:08:10

on television I'm sure in the building

1:08:12

I I think this was partly done

1:08:14

as an experiment to see how they

1:08:16

liked it from a production standpoint but

1:08:18

yeah I'd be in favor of it

1:08:20

moving forward how about you Andrew? I

1:08:23

would either do like four or five

1:08:25

hours show, like ideally it would just

1:08:27

be like one four hour show, but

1:08:29

I would rather watch two three and

1:08:31

a half four hour shows than one

1:08:33

six hour show any time. Absolutely. I

1:08:35

remember I went to a baby in

1:08:38

Orlando a couple years back and I

1:08:40

had to sit up there in the

1:08:42

bleaches. I mean, my back was killing

1:08:44

me on Monday. It was just, it

1:08:46

was seven hours in just sitting there,

1:08:48

you know, to watch the, you know,

1:08:51

the last other thing I think about,

1:08:53

but in one last thing, actually, I

1:08:55

noticed, you notice how tonight they're already

1:08:57

advertising West Omani, next year, right? So

1:08:59

they're saying Westomania Hollywood, they have the

1:09:01

logo and everything. So what happens to

1:09:03

Tampa that have been completely scratched, that

1:09:06

the city of Tampa, or what, like,

1:09:08

like, I thought maybe my thought and

1:09:10

there would have been convenient for me

1:09:12

to say I live in Miami. Oh,

1:09:14

maybe just have mania in Tampa next

1:09:16

year and then have breast omenia in

1:09:19

Los Angeles and California too. Just a

1:09:21

thought again great show guys and I'll

1:09:23

talk to you yes tomorrow. I can't

1:09:25

wait for tomorrow but sorry actually. Good.

1:09:27

Awesome. We appreciate the call. And as

1:09:29

far as Tampa goes, I actually, I

1:09:32

know one of the guys that works

1:09:34

on the Tampa Sports Commission that was

1:09:36

helping bring the show. to Tampa. So

1:09:38

I don't know this for sure. I

1:09:40

haven't talked to him. I know they

1:09:42

did a lot of work in building

1:09:44

that up and trying to get Wrestlemani

1:09:47

in there. They've done a lot of

1:09:49

things to bring a lot of big

1:09:51

events into the Tampa area. I was

1:09:53

down there for the Frozen Four for

1:09:55

a college hockey twice. 2012 and 2016.

1:09:57

They had the Frozen Four down there

1:10:00

in Tampa. They're doing a lot. that

1:10:02

Tampa Sports Commission to bring in big

1:10:04

events. And this was the biggest one

1:10:06

they were going to bring in ever.

1:10:08

Other than maybe like a Super Bowl,

1:10:10

right? So, but as far as what

1:10:12

they're going to do with Tampa, I

1:10:15

mean, I think they were already committed

1:10:17

to Los Angeles for next year. Those

1:10:19

deals were already done, the contracts were

1:10:21

already signed. I would not be a

1:10:23

bit surprised, though, if in 2021 was

1:10:25

in Tampa because that's that's one that

1:10:28

hasn't been awarded yet so I think

1:10:30

that's just a guess on my part

1:10:32

Andrew I don't know what you think

1:10:34

I think LA everything was signed on

1:10:36

the dotted line for LA so they

1:10:38

couldn't push LA back so it'll be

1:10:40

LA next year and then I think

1:10:43

Tampa the year after that to make

1:10:45

up for for this this you know,

1:10:47

Vince McMahon loves being in major cities

1:10:49

so he could always change his mind

1:10:51

if he wanted to be in a

1:10:53

bigger city because I don't know if

1:10:56

he would feel morally obligated to do

1:10:58

it may good. But I think it

1:11:00

probably would be the right caller to

1:11:02

host some sort of major show there

1:11:04

within the next few months because yeah,

1:11:06

that's a bummer for people who had

1:11:09

been, you know, waiting for that or

1:11:11

got tickets for everything. And they're not

1:11:13

able to even, you know, push it

1:11:15

back next year or anything. I mean,

1:11:17

yeah, they'll probably do something. I think

1:11:19

from a Vince McMahon standpoint, what he

1:11:21

would be more concerned with is making

1:11:24

it good with the sponsors and making

1:11:26

it good with the people that have

1:11:28

paid, I mean, the city of Tampa

1:11:30

was gonna make a lot of money

1:11:32

this weekend, and they're not gonna make

1:11:34

it now, obviously, but there was a

1:11:37

lot of work, I think, that went

1:11:39

into. as far as the bid goes

1:11:41

and how much money they pay to

1:11:43

get the rest to get WrestleMania there

1:11:45

and everything else. I think from a

1:11:47

business standpoint he would probably be smart

1:11:49

and prudent to make sure he made

1:11:52

good with those people that committed quite

1:11:54

a bit financially to try to get

1:11:56

them in there this weekend. Yeah, no,

1:11:58

that's a good point. Let's go to

1:12:00

emails. We do have an email. It's

1:12:02

from Chris F in Toronto. guys, congrats

1:12:05

on the promotion to the Russell Mejia

1:12:07

after show, yeah. I love your work

1:12:09

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1:12:11

anyone is listening tonight that doesn't listen

1:12:13

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1:12:15

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1:12:17

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1:12:20

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1:12:22

drops on Thursday. And Chris. says he

1:12:24

loves our work there so that's appreciated.

1:12:26

Chris. Thank you. That's not all he

1:12:28

says though. It would be good if

1:12:30

the email is just saying hey congrats

1:12:33

and love your work. Thanks Chris. I'll

1:12:35

take it. Admittedly, my expectation for the

1:12:37

show was about as low as possible,

1:12:39

given at how awful Smackdown was, but

1:12:41

I found myself really enjoying the show.

1:12:43

Yes, it would have been better with

1:12:46

the crowd, but considering what they had

1:12:48

to work with, I thought night one

1:12:50

worked quite well. The booking was pretty

1:12:52

poor for most of the matches on

1:12:54

night one, so it's a huge credit

1:12:56

to all the wrestlers. Hopefully, night two

1:12:58

will live up to it, especially as

1:13:01

that night is better, has the better

1:13:03

built up lineup lineup. Yeah. I agree,

1:13:05

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1:13:07

the better matches, which is what you

1:13:09

would expect. There were some, definitely some

1:13:11

standout matches on this show, but card

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them. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it seems

1:14:10

they have like the bigger matchups

1:14:12

that they've been building for a

1:14:14

long time that generally people were

1:14:17

more interested from seeing at least

1:14:19

from like a work rate standpoint

1:14:21

because we knew styles and taker

1:14:23

was going to be. different and

1:14:25

Goldberg's true. Man wasn't going to

1:14:27

be much at all. No, but

1:14:29

yeah, I think I agree. Like

1:14:31

I went into this, like I

1:14:33

started watching that first match and

1:14:35

I was just like, God, this

1:14:37

is going to be the longest

1:14:39

night of wrestling in some time.

1:14:41

But yeah, they, they, I got

1:14:43

into it before too long. So

1:14:45

this was a secret. A nice

1:14:47

little surprise, I think. Yeah, the

1:14:49

first two matches were a little.

1:14:52

I was getting a little nervous

1:14:54

there as well, but then once

1:14:56

they kicked in with the Becky,

1:14:58

Lynn, Shannon, Bazel match, that was

1:15:00

good. Sammy and Dan and Brian

1:15:02

was good. The latter match was

1:15:04

good. Owens and Rawlins was good.

1:15:06

The world, or Universal Tunnel match

1:15:08

was, was what it was. It

1:15:10

was all that Goldberg can do

1:15:12

at this point. And then the

1:15:14

main event, the boneyard match was

1:15:16

a lot of fun. Chris says.

1:15:18

P.S. Is it me or is

1:15:20

Goldberg aged 10 years in the

1:15:22

last three weeks? Yeah. Dude looks

1:15:24

old man. Uh, he is old.

1:15:27

Right? I mean, it is what

1:15:29

it is. He's an old dude.

1:15:31

What? Like 52 or something? 53?

1:15:33

He's gonna be around there, right?

1:15:35

I think so. Yeah, he's got,

1:15:37

uh, white chest hair going on.

1:15:39

Yeah. I mean... You can get

1:15:41

away with some white in your

1:15:43

beard or in your hair, but

1:15:45

when you got it rocking on

1:15:47

your chest It makes you look

1:15:49

a little less intimidating. Well, I

1:15:51

mean, I think there's a problem

1:15:53

with so I have no problem

1:15:55

with with Bray Wyatt losing the

1:15:57

WWE title or losing the universal

1:15:59

title in Saudi Arabia, I just

1:16:02

had an issue with him losing

1:16:04

it to Goldberg. Because this is

1:16:06

all Goldberg can do. Goldberg can

1:16:08

do three-minute matches and that's it.

1:16:10

So putting a championship on Goldberg

1:16:12

for what? So that Roman Reigns

1:16:14

could beat him at WrestleMania in

1:16:16

a spear versus spear match? I

1:16:18

mean is Goldberg versus Roman Reigns

1:16:20

really this big dream match that

1:16:22

people were looking forward to? I

1:16:24

don't think at this point his

1:16:26

career anything with Goldberg's a dream

1:16:28

match you can go four minutes

1:16:30

and that's it. I mean I

1:16:32

had this I remember I said

1:16:34

this on Twitter after that Saudi

1:16:37

show back whenever it was I

1:16:39

think in February the combined World

1:16:41

title matches on that show so

1:16:43

the Goldberg Bray Wyatt match and

1:16:45

the Lesnar Ricochet match went a

1:16:47

combined eight minutes There wasn't a

1:16:49

match on the card that I

1:16:51

think was less than 11 So

1:16:53

the two world title matches were

1:16:55

not only the shortest matches in

1:16:57

the show they were combined still

1:16:59

the shortest match on the show

1:17:01

I just don't know that that

1:17:03

helps you. And I don't know

1:17:05

that, I mean, if you want

1:17:07

Roman Reigns, if Vince really wants

1:17:10

Roman Reigns, they had this big,

1:17:12

and the plan was for him

1:17:14

to wrestle Goldberg, right? So if

1:17:16

the plan was for Reigns, they

1:17:18

got this big win at Wrestlemani

1:17:20

and hold the universal title high

1:17:22

over his head. Goldberg's the guy

1:17:24

who's beating me about this match

1:17:26

was the fact that they, you

1:17:28

know, I mean, Goldberg destroyed Bray

1:17:30

Wyatt. in a way that nobody

1:17:32

else had like they you know

1:17:34

11 curb stops couldn't stop Bray

1:17:36

Wyatt and so they took all

1:17:38

that equity gave it all to

1:17:40

Bray Wyatt and then Goldberg destroyed

1:17:42

him so he gets all this

1:17:45

essential equity and then Ron Stroman

1:17:47

beats him in a way that

1:17:49

Goldberg has never been beaten I

1:17:51

mean even the the Goldberg Brock

1:17:53

Lesner match a few years ago

1:17:55

went like five minutes so if

1:17:57

you're gonna have Braun Stroman destroyed

1:17:59

Goldberg like play it up is

1:18:01

one of the most impressive amazing

1:18:03

things that they've ever seen like

1:18:05

oh my god like Braunstrom and

1:18:07

got out of three spears and

1:18:09

they just destroyed Goldberg in two

1:18:11

minutes but they didn't do that

1:18:13

they're just like all right new

1:18:15

champions what a match so that

1:18:17

just I don't know that just

1:18:20

bothers me when they don't like

1:18:22

play off history because they've you

1:18:24

know on the pre-show even they're

1:18:26

like God Goldberg took out the

1:18:28

NWO he took out Brock Lesner

1:18:30

he's being the rock and then

1:18:32

when he, Braunstrom wins, they didn't

1:18:34

treat it like, oh my god,

1:18:36

he beat a legend and he

1:18:38

did it decisively. It's just, man,

1:18:40

it's another match. Good, good work.

1:18:42

Something's going on with the ESPN

1:18:44

too. I mean, this is off

1:18:46

topic, but ESPN SportsCenter, the official

1:18:48

Twitter account for ESPN SportsCenter, just

1:18:50

tweeted out highlights of the Undertaker

1:18:52

AJ Styles match. Really? Yeah, and

1:18:55

said, what a show with a

1:18:57

popcorn emoji. sell his paper view

1:18:59

rights to a a streaming carrier.

1:19:01

I think and I have every

1:19:03

time I've heard it brought up

1:19:05

with people that no more than

1:19:07

I do and are more tied

1:19:09

in than I am with people

1:19:11

in W. E. They say that

1:19:13

it's not that W. E. E.

1:19:15

E. E. E. E. E. E.

1:19:17

E. E. E. E. S. D.

1:19:19

Doesn't hold any W. E. Rights

1:19:21

at all. I'm sorry Fox is

1:19:23

a Disney company, all right? Fox,

1:19:25

not all of Fox, I think

1:19:27

just like their movie and TV

1:19:30

division or something. Okay, so maybe

1:19:32

there's like a loose tie in

1:19:34

there where Fox is technically a

1:19:36

Disney company. I know ESPN is

1:19:38

a Disney company, so maybe that's,

1:19:40

but that's a loose tie in.

1:19:42

It just feels like there's a

1:19:44

lot going on between WWE and

1:19:46

ESPN, and considering WWE airs, no

1:19:48

programming on ESPN. a lot of

1:19:50

stuff. There's a lot of, seems

1:19:52

to be quite a relationship between

1:19:54

WWE and ESPN considering that there's

1:19:56

nothing on the network. So that,

1:19:58

it just feels like there's something

1:20:00

there. And I don't know if

1:20:02

it's them selling their paper view

1:20:05

rights, that's my guess. It could

1:20:07

also just be that I know

1:20:09

Vince had a relationship with ESPN

1:20:11

for the XFL, so maybe it's

1:20:13

some type of backdoor deal that

1:20:15

way where they combine some type

1:20:17

of thing, but there seems to

1:20:19

be a lot of ESPN mentioning

1:20:21

WEE lately, and that hasn't always

1:20:23

been a thing. Interesting, yeah. Yeah,

1:20:25

there certainly could be. They could

1:20:27

be in some sort of, at

1:20:29

least initial negotiations about their pay

1:20:31

period. Yeah, we'll see. Okay, well

1:20:33

that does it for night one

1:20:35

of WrestleMania. Night two is tomorrow.

1:20:37

Andrew, overall, overall thoughts on night

1:20:40

one. Thums up, thumbs down, thumbs

1:20:42

in the middle. I do give

1:20:44

it a thumbs up, not a

1:20:46

huge enthusiastic one because of course

1:20:48

like. This is so much fun

1:20:50

about WrestleMania seeing 70,000 people there

1:20:52

and but You know, they did

1:20:54

a pretty solid job overall and

1:20:56

like I was saying I was

1:20:58

waiting for I figured I'd fall

1:21:00

asleep halfway through the show And

1:21:02

no, I was pretty entertained throughout

1:21:04

I mean I can nitpick here

1:21:06

and there But overall I would

1:21:08

yeah, probably six and a half

1:21:10

out of ten, but I mean

1:21:12

I guess all things considered in

1:21:15

like a sevenish I'd give I'd

1:21:17

bump that up a bit. Yeah

1:21:19

I mean I would give it

1:21:21

a thumbs up the only two

1:21:23

matches in the show that I

1:21:25

thought were a little eww were

1:21:27

the first two you know the

1:21:29

first after the second match I

1:21:31

was really worried I the women's

1:21:33

tag team match I thought was

1:21:35

okay it wasn't great the the

1:21:37

Elias Corbin match I thought was

1:21:39

not good at all but So

1:21:41

I was nervous after those first

1:21:43

two matches. I think you and

1:21:45

I were texting and we were

1:21:47

like, oh, I hope we can

1:21:50

stay awake to do this show

1:21:52

after the show. I was a

1:21:54

little worried about it anyway. And

1:21:56

then the last, what is it,

1:21:58

the last four matches on the

1:22:00

show. Really, we're good and I

1:22:02

thought they did a lot of

1:22:04

good things. Before we wrap up

1:22:06

though, Andrew, we did get one

1:22:08

more email that just came in.

1:22:10

Let's see, it's Wade from New

1:22:12

Zealand. He says hey guys

1:22:14

away from New Zealand here. You

1:22:17

were just talking about Goldberg being

1:22:19

only able to wrestle three-minute matches

1:22:21

This is literally the only show

1:22:23

where they could work around that.

1:22:25

That's a very good point Yeah,

1:22:27

the shows are pre-recorded. They could

1:22:29

have filmed three three minutes. They

1:22:31

could have filmed three minutes. They

1:22:33

could have filmed three minutes taken

1:22:35

a rest and then recorded more

1:22:37

Take care and stay safe. You're

1:22:39

a hundred percent right? I know

1:22:42

I agree that's really confusing because

1:22:44

yeah like I was talking about

1:22:46

a little bit ago like I

1:22:48

don't get why they didn't make

1:22:50

a big deal out of it

1:22:52

and if they weren't going to

1:22:54

make a big deal all of

1:22:56

it then have it not be

1:22:58

so impressive and just go eight

1:23:00

minutes to make it look like

1:23:02

Goldberg can still put on a

1:23:04

decent match so confusing all around.

1:23:06

Yeah and they could have they

1:23:09

could have just said all right

1:23:11

like cut, grab a train, catch

1:23:13

your breath again, we'll do it

1:23:15

on the spot like. They didn't

1:23:17

even punch, like, you would think,

1:23:19

like, two giant dudes like that,

1:23:21

because at least punch back and

1:23:23

forth a bit, but they're like,

1:23:25

eh, we don't, we don't trust

1:23:27

Goldberg to throw a punch. That

1:23:29

could have, honestly, that could be

1:23:31

what was. I mean, he's not

1:23:34

the same as guy in the

1:23:36

world. I, yeah, I mean, after

1:23:38

that, uh, Undertaker, I'm doing anything

1:23:40

except Spears. Which again would go

1:23:42

back to my original point of

1:23:44

why use him then like why

1:23:46

bring him in why use him?

1:23:48

It is If you don't trust

1:23:50

him, don't use him How weird

1:23:52

is it that two guys that

1:23:54

got booed out of the building

1:23:56

at? WrestleMania 20 16 years ago

1:23:59

Walked into tonight. Yeah, two champions

1:24:01

literally booed out of the building.

1:24:03

Yeah, the only pop in that

1:24:05

match was when Austin stunned him

1:24:07

boy at the end. And that

1:24:09

was it. Never would I guess

1:24:11

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1:27:41

Obviously, Wrestlemania is the big topic

1:27:43

du jour. And I know that...

1:27:45

Mike McMahon and Andrew Sowcheck. I

1:27:47

usually cover AEW and do the

1:27:49

post shows there handled last night's

1:27:51

post show, so appreciate them. stepping

1:27:53

in last night and discussing the

1:27:55

first night of WrestleMania. So if

1:27:57

you have not already done so,

1:27:59

go ahead and listen to their

1:28:02

thoughts and opinions and the callers

1:28:04

that tuned in last night. And

1:28:06

of course, even though we're doing

1:28:08

this after the second night of

1:28:10

WrestleMania, I'm certainly open to discussing

1:28:12

both nights here on this show

1:28:14

with you, the listeners. In that

1:28:16

vein, I will run down quickly

1:28:18

the first night of WrestleMania, which

1:28:20

began with a kickoff show featuring

1:28:22

Cicero defeating Drew Gulak. Match number

1:28:24

one was Alexa Bliss and Nikki

1:28:26

Cross, defeating the Kabuki Warriors for

1:28:28

the women's tag titles. A little

1:28:31

on the long side, I thought,

1:28:33

but it was a good match.

1:28:35

And good to see Bliss and

1:28:37

Cross back in the winning side

1:28:39

there as a tandem. The Kabuki

1:28:41

Warriors, I thought... had the potential

1:28:43

to be good champions, but WWE

1:28:45

just didn't really do much with

1:28:47

them as champions, although they did

1:28:49

main event the TLC pay-per-view, but

1:28:51

other than that it was kind

1:28:53

of a stale run, so maybe

1:28:55

Bliss and Cross can reinvigorate the

1:28:57

writing team or Vince McMahon's imagination

1:29:00

in order to get the women's

1:29:02

tag titles a bigger push. Baron

1:29:04

Corbin, very roll-up with the tights

1:29:06

in the second match. I had

1:29:08

very low expectations for this match,

1:29:10

so it exceeded those expectations. And

1:29:12

so that's something I mentioned on

1:29:14

Twitter as I was following the

1:29:16

show. You can follow me on

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Twitter at Gregom Parks. If you

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already do so, you may hear

1:29:22

me repeat some of the things

1:29:24

I tweeted as the shows went

1:29:27

on, but I generally try to

1:29:29

tweet. as the shows happen, whether

1:29:31

they're paper views or TV. So

1:29:33

follow along with me on Twitter

1:29:35

at Greg M. Parks. Match number

1:29:37

three on night one was Becky

1:29:39

Lynch defeating Shana Basler to retain

1:29:41

the raw women's title. A little

1:29:43

bit of a surprising result. I

1:29:45

thought maybe they would want to

1:29:47

get Shana Basler over quickly with

1:29:49

her ascension to the main roster

1:29:51

that it appears she's in the

1:29:53

midst of. This was a really

1:29:56

intense match for one under 10

1:29:58

minutes. So it actually was I

1:30:00

think shorter than both Elias and

1:30:02

Corbin and Bliss and Cross against

1:30:04

the Kabuki Warriors. So they were

1:30:06

able to match up the intensity

1:30:08

a little bit, which I thought

1:30:10

was nice. Basler has kind of

1:30:12

sunk a little bit in some

1:30:14

of her longer matches on the

1:30:16

main roster. So perhaps they thought,

1:30:18

well, let's... put our best foot

1:30:20

forward here and do a quick

1:30:22

intense match that I think works

1:30:25

to the strengths of both of

1:30:27

these women. So I liked that

1:30:29

match as well. Match number four

1:30:31

was Sammy Zane defeating Daniel Bryan

1:30:33

to retain the Intercontinental Championship. Okay

1:30:35

match for what it was, the

1:30:37

first half of the match really

1:30:39

wasn't much because it was Sammy

1:30:41

Zane doing his heel manager stick

1:30:43

and I mentioned with Zach Hayden.

1:30:45

If you listen to my appearance

1:30:47

on the canvas, his audio show

1:30:49

on the torch. Earlier this week

1:30:52

when we were previewing WrestleMania, I

1:30:54

mentioned that, you know, this is

1:30:56

a match that I would have

1:30:58

looked forward to five years ago

1:31:00

and thought it could be a

1:31:02

real show stealer, but I didn't

1:31:04

have any really confidence that with

1:31:06

Sammy Zane's character this would be

1:31:08

a show stealer, this match. At

1:31:10

WrestleMania, and it wasn't, it was

1:31:12

a good match, but nothing more

1:31:14

than that. Zane retains the Intercontinental

1:31:16

championship. With the Mizz out

1:31:19

of commission due to illness, the

1:31:21

tag team title ladder match, the