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get them over with. Hi,

1:10

Rabia. Hey, Ellen. How are

1:12

you doing on this beautiful Costa Rica morning? Let

1:14

me make it clear. You are in Costa Rica.

1:16

I am in my dungeon. How are you? I'm

1:19

as great as a person could be in fucking

1:21

Costa Rica. This place is incredible. It's gorgeous. Oh,

1:23

man. I just told you offline that I learned

1:25

how to surf in Costa Rica. So I assume

1:28

since you do have that competitive spirit, you're going

1:30

to want to also learn how to surf. Well,

1:32

I can't even swim, Ellen. I just don't think

1:34

it's a good idea. I've got children. I know

1:36

I can't swim. Did you not know this about

1:39

me? Meemaw can't swim. I can't remember if I

1:41

knew that. Yeah, so I feel like surfing is not a good

1:43

idea. I shouldn't give it a shot. Now I have a new

1:45

goal in life. OK, I have 10,000 things to say about that.

1:49

But first of all, welcome everyone to Rabia

1:51

and Ellen Solve the Case. This is our

1:53

about damn crime week. Every

1:56

other week we come to you with the true crime

1:58

headlines that we are interested in sharing. with

2:00

you and then every other week we come

2:02

to you with a case with a very

2:04

special guest for our talk show. Here we

2:07

are on About Damn Crime. Welcome. If you

2:10

have not already heard, Rabia and I

2:12

are going on tour. We cannot wait

2:14

to see all of you. So if

2:16

you are in the following places, where

2:18

are they Rabia? So April 15th will

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be in Philly, the 16th we will

2:22

be in New York City, then we

2:24

are gonna hop all the way across

2:26

the country on April 30th where you

2:28

will be in Los Angeles and then we're

2:31

gonna head up to San Francisco the very next

2:33

day on May 1st and then

2:35

we're gonna take a little break and then we're

2:37

gonna go Portland on May 8th. It is going

2:39

to be fantastic. So if you are in any

2:41

of those areas or around please go grab your

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tickets to see us live. You can find it

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on any of our socials, Rabia and Ellen. You

2:48

can find it on our Instagram or our Facebook

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group which I hope you are a member of.

2:52

Also keep following us because there are more tour

2:54

dates coming. We're gonna be in the Midwest as

2:56

well and we I think should wrap up the

2:58

summer with a DC date. Should we tell them

3:00

what case we're covering or should that be a

3:03

surprise? I will just start

3:05

off by saying this is the case that

3:07

when every single guest asks about a case,

3:09

I have suggested this one and now I'm

3:11

secretly happy nobody has chose it. Nobody chose

3:13

it in the past so that we get

3:16

to do it live. In fact, we recently

3:18

asked the guest that they would do it

3:20

then I had to withdraw it because Ellen's

3:22

like, no we're saving it for the live

3:24

show. You get to see us live. We

3:26

will be there doing it with the guest,

3:29

some of the same guests and also

3:31

different guests. So really in different cities

3:33

you will get a different show. We'll

3:35

have a little show. Rabia and I

3:37

will roast each other a bunch. At

3:39

our last live show we embarrassed each

3:41

other with pictures from when we were

3:43

babies and then I did a dissertation

3:45

on Rabia's tweeting history. It's really not

3:47

to be missed so we hope we

3:49

see you and in all of those

3:51

cities we will be wearing different sequins.

3:53

That is a promise. I'm telling you

3:55

this Ellen, between now and then I

3:57

am learning how to make videos on

3:59

TikTok. and then look out. I'm coming for

4:01

you. Okay, babe. That's sweet. That's

4:04

adorable. Look at how cute you are.

4:07

But our patrons did get first dibs

4:09

at those tickets. If you are not

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a member of our jury box, what

4:13

are you waiting for? There is tons

4:15

of bonus content there. We have all

4:17

kinds of series in short form. We

4:19

have a couple more things. We have

4:21

our Speakpipe episodes. Love those. We also

4:23

do awesome watch parties, which has slowly

4:26

become one of my favorite things because

4:28

we all watch these documentaries on our

4:30

own, and this is a chance for

4:32

us to come together, watch them, and

4:34

type our rage to each other. There's a

4:36

live chat, and we do that all on

4:38

our Discord, which is available on our Patreon.

4:41

Don't you love our watch parties, Robia? I

4:43

do, and I love all the folks who

4:45

always show up. Currently now in our chat

4:47

roasting me, we continue. There's

4:49

just so much love. There's just so much love from these

4:51

folks. I love you guys. I'm already

4:54

told if you can't be roasted

4:56

by your most treasured supporters, who

4:58

can roast you? Speaking

5:00

of roast, before we get into

5:02

this episode, Robia sent me

5:06

this TikTok last night. First

5:08

of all, I love Key and

5:10

Peel. It was a Key and

5:13

Peel video about the way that

5:15

two people read texts. I

5:17

swear to God this is Ellen and I. I

5:19

figured, Mr. Text, I assumed we'd

5:21

meet at the bar. Whatever I

5:24

don't care. Whatever I don't

5:26

care. The f*** is his

5:28

problem? Do you even want

5:31

to hang out? Do you even want

5:33

to hang out? Oh, let's

5:35

consider it. Like I

5:37

said, whatever. Like

5:40

I said, whatever? The f***

5:42

did I die? Can

5:44

you all see this exchange up

5:46

close? Okay, fine. Let's record tomorrow.

5:49

Okay, fine! Are you angry at me? No,

5:55

but okay, fine. Sounds harsh. This

5:58

is the way I read it. This is Robia. in

6:00

a nutshell. I send gift cards, I

6:03

send emojis, I send flowers. That is

6:05

a lie. I get no flowers. I

6:07

have no idea what you're talking about.

6:09

I do see, okay, there are emojis

6:11

for real sometimes. There are. Oh, because

6:13

we were trying to find the Pam

6:15

Smart recording. Record. And

6:17

I said, I've never seen this crash course.

6:19

Okay, fine. Let's record it tomorrow. No punctuation.

6:22

This is what I hear. Okay,

6:24

fine. Let's record it

6:26

tomorrow. Okay, fine. I'm

6:28

gonna go get one. That's fine.

6:30

I cackled in bed. You need

6:32

exclamation points. You need emojis and

6:35

your periods are hostile. Okay, you

6:37

know what? Okay,

6:39

so what would have made that sentence

6:42

okay? Like, I should have ended it

6:44

with a heart. I don't know. I'm

6:46

a Mima. Okay, fine. Exclamation point. That

6:48

sounds great. Exclamation point. To me, an

6:51

exclamation mark is like, that could come

6:53

off as aggressive. Like, okay, fine. You

6:55

know what? I think fine is aggressive.

6:57

Okay, exclamation point. Okay, I'm just putting

7:00

hearts before and after every text I

7:02

send you. Well, it's

7:04

like when Daisy texts me sure. You know,

7:06

I hate the answer. Sure. Oh, I say

7:08

sure at the time, all the time. If

7:10

I ask you a question and you say

7:12

sure, that means you're ambivalent. It really comes

7:14

from when I offer Lola's friends something. I'm

7:17

like, do you guys want to go get

7:19

milkshakes? Sure. You mean, yes,

7:21

please? Sure. Okay,

7:25

99% of my emails, especially to our team

7:27

that does our sales, they're like, do you

7:30

approve these sponsors? I'm like, sure. I respond

7:32

with sure. 90% of the time. What do

7:34

I respond with? Yes, that sounds

7:36

great. You

7:38

need an exclamation point or it's immediately hostile. I

7:40

will die on this hill. This is a generational

7:42

difference. I need you to meet me in the

7:44

middle. Everyone is agreeing with me. We're all just

7:47

too sensitive. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

7:49

no. Here's what I want. I want grace. I

7:51

want the assumption from both of us to agree

7:53

that neither you mean to be hostile nor I

7:55

mean to be hostile. Just read it in my

7:57

voice. Oh, I know, but I've said that to

7:59

you. Already you speak in a straight

8:02

tone. Yeah, I do. Me and Katie Brown

8:04

said that to you. We both said that to you

8:06

because we're little sensitive valleys and you'll just say

8:08

something. And we're like, she's canceling the podcast. I

8:10

think she's canceling the podcast. I'm pretty sure. I'm

8:14

a soft little bunny. Or

8:16

I'm a cold hearted bitch. Anyway, we are

8:18

getting to our episode. I am prolongingly inevitable

8:20

because I have a story. I'm going to

8:22

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8:24

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8:27

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9:47

texted me and asked if I was

9:49

covering this last night and I said

9:51

I was, but I would love to

9:53

have a conversation about it. After when

9:55

we hopped off on our recording last

9:57

Monday, this news kind of broke. It

10:00

hadn't just happened. Yeah. But it literally

10:02

broke that afternoon and I thought to

10:04

myself, oh, I should have covered this

10:06

on ADC, but I'm actually glad we

10:08

didn't cover it last week because so

10:11

much more has come out. So I

10:13

have a lot I want to talk

10:15

to you about, Rabia, in terms of

10:17

law and things, but let me break

10:19

this down for those who don't know.

10:22

This isn't a disclaimer, but more of

10:24

a jumping off of this conversation. I

10:26

have gotten messages before, some very kind

10:28

and some hostile, that we should keep

10:30

politics out of true crime. Have you ever gotten

10:32

a message like that, Rabia? There's no way to

10:34

separate politics from any aspect of our lives, so

10:36

whatever, it makes no sense to me. And

10:39

you and I do have different styles.

10:41

I generally stick to that idea unless

10:43

it's, of course, the act of a

10:45

politician that contributes to the act that

10:47

would fall under the umbrella of true

10:50

crime. I'm pretty sure everybody knows where

10:52

I stand on things, but I don't

10:54

feel the need to fly a flag

10:56

or do anything weird. But I do

10:58

believe this should be an ongoing conversation

11:00

because this is what I say

11:03

to those people. The definition of

11:05

crime is that a law has

11:07

been broken, right? The

11:09

only way for something to become

11:12

a law is to vote on

11:14

it. Every law at one point

11:16

was just someone saying, hey, you guys, can you

11:18

guys hear me out on this? I

11:21

have some ideas of what we should do about

11:23

X, Y, and Z. Do you guys think the

11:25

same? Let's vote on it. All in favor of

11:27

agreeing with my idea, say aye. That's how laws

11:29

come to be. Crime

11:31

is breaking the law and then

11:34

being punished by the government. So

11:36

by definition, you cannot separate the

11:38

two. And I think that's where

11:40

people get in their feelings when their politics

11:43

are challenged. When you're giving blanket opinions on

11:45

things that have nothing to do with what

11:47

you're talking about, I understand. I am a

11:49

registered Democrat, but I am very much an

11:52

issue by issue person. I don't see black

11:54

and white. I often see a lot of

11:56

gray. And if you listen to me for

11:58

a long time, you can't. know that's true.

12:00

I often go where my

12:02

heart takes me, right, Rabia? I've never seen

12:04

that before, Ellen, for me, no. But my

12:07

fundamental beliefs are rooted in human rights. I

12:09

just wanted to say that because this next

12:11

story is going to get very political, actually

12:14

might offend people on both sides. So I

12:16

want this to be clear. Before you get

12:18

to the story, can I just respond? Yes,

12:20

of course. Yes. I think the kind of

12:23

messages you're getting from people who are like,

12:25

don't get political, this is going to offend

12:27

those people. Are the people who want to

12:29

consume true crime as

12:32

entertainment without any

12:35

of the policy issues connected

12:37

to that particular story? As

12:39

if it just exists in a vacuum or

12:42

it's like a movie on Lifetime and it's

12:44

pure entertainment. They're like, don't ask this

12:46

experience up for us by actually telling us

12:48

this story represents all these really serious

12:50

policy and systemic issues. There is no

12:52

such thing as law without politics. Law

12:55

is made in a couple of ways.

12:57

Legislators pass law on courts, set precedent.

12:59

But look at the US Supreme Court.

13:01

Are they apolitical or do we know which ones

13:04

are the conservative judges and which ones are the

13:06

liberal? So yeah, if you want to exist and

13:08

I just want to be entertained by my little

13:10

cozy mystery, that's a you problem, but that is

13:13

not reality. And pick and choose whatever echo chamber

13:15

you want to chill in, that's fine. The reason

13:17

I wanted to bring this up is because the

13:19

case I'm going to bring up involves minors. And

13:22

I feel very passionate about this because I've actually

13:24

been researching this all week or I've been trying

13:26

to keep up with the story all week. I

13:28

want to be careful because it would

13:31

be irresponsible of me to

13:33

report anything that hasn't been

13:35

confirmed. Though my opinions on

13:38

this case, I have

13:40

many. I have to leave the reporting

13:42

part of this in the root of

13:44

fact. And it's shocking to me that

13:46

I need to kind of say that.

13:48

What I am going to talk about

13:50

is in Owasso, Oklahoma, they are investigating

13:52

the death of a student

13:54

one day after there was a

13:57

physical altercation with other students. So

13:59

now Benedict was a 16 year

14:02

old gender non-conforming sophomore at

14:04

Owaso High School and on

14:06

February 7th the bullying then

14:08

allegedly erupted into violence. NeXT

14:10

suffered head injuries during this

14:12

quote physical altercation. Those three

14:14

people were identified as older

14:16

girls and the reason for

14:18

the fight has not been

14:20

disclosed other than what NeXT

14:22

said to the police which

14:24

we will play that audio.

14:27

The reason I wanted to give that

14:29

stipulation is a lot of people

14:31

online are using the word murder

14:34

and I get that but the

14:36

fact remains at this moment nobody

14:38

has been charged and the medical

14:40

examiner's findings have not been made

14:42

public. Is it not apparent though

14:44

that NeXT did not die from

14:46

natural causes? There were certainly a

14:49

homicide involved? We don't know

14:51

if the head trauma is responsible for

14:53

their death. We don't know. Of course

14:55

they're going to try and paint this

14:58

into something more nefarious than it is

15:00

but as of now there have been

15:02

no charges. The three people who assaulted

15:05

NeXT are minors so their names have

15:07

not been released. I just want to

15:09

be clear that I of course have

15:11

my opinions reporting this story.

15:14

It is not a murder today. Yes.

15:16

We're recording this Sunday February 25th so

15:18

I just want that to be clear

15:20

to everyone. Surveillance outside of the bathroom

15:22

where the altercation took place was made

15:24

public. The whole thing lasted about two

15:27

minutes at which time a teacher broke

15:29

it up. According to the Owosso Police

15:31

Department officers were called to the Bailey

15:33

Medical Center not the school at 3.30

15:36

p.m. on February 7th because the

15:39

parent of NeXT called. Her name

15:41

is Sue and Sue explained to

15:43

authorities and to the media that

15:45

she was called to the school

15:47

that day to find NeXT badly

15:50

beaten with bruises all over their face

15:52

and eyes and scratches to the back of

15:54

their head. NeXT told her that they and

15:56

another transgender student at Owosso High School had

15:58

been in a fight. with the older

16:01

girls in the bathroom. This is from

16:03

Nex's words. We

16:30

were going to set chairs and after

16:32

we set chairs, we went to the bathroom.

16:35

And I was talking to my friends, they were talking with

16:37

their friends, and we were laughing. And

16:40

they had said something like, why do they

16:42

laugh like that and talking about us, in

16:44

front of us? And so

16:46

I went up there and I poured water on them.

16:48

And then all three of them came out of me.

16:51

Then sadly, and most

16:53

shockingly, on the afternoon of February 8th,

16:55

Nex was getting ready to go to

16:57

Tulsa with Sue Benedict, their mother, and

16:59

they were getting ready for an appointment.

17:02

And they collapsed on the living room

17:04

floor. They were pronounced dead. OASO

17:07

Public School released a statement that they

17:09

were cooperating with police, that they did

17:11

everything according to protocol that they were

17:14

instructed to do. And I do want

17:16

to repeat, there is no confirmed cause

17:18

of death today. Maybe when this errors,

17:21

there will be, and we can put

17:23

in an update. It was originally stated

17:25

on social media that Nex passed due

17:28

to blunt force trauma. This has not

17:30

been confirmed by medical examiners. So let

17:32

me tell you about all the information

17:34

that was released two days ago.

17:37

Before these videos were released, it

17:39

was said again on social media

17:41

that Nex left the bathroom and

17:43

they were unable to make it

17:45

to the nurse's office and that

17:47

they were unable to walk. Unfortunately,

17:50

that is not true. In

17:53

the video, we clearly see Nex

17:55

being escorted by a resource officer

17:57

out of the bathroom and they

17:59

are stumbling a bit. They kind

18:01

of look very out of sorts but

18:04

they are on their feet and they

18:06

are walking on their own. They were

18:08

then evaluated at the school. The school

18:10

nurse did not call the ambulance but

18:12

the nurse advised the mother to take

18:14

next to the hospital. Next does acknowledge

18:17

that they threw the water first. This

18:19

was confirmed by them. Now as

18:21

you can imagine many people online and I'm

18:23

sure you can imagine what color hats they

18:25

wear are saying that those

18:28

girls were acting in

18:30

self-defense. Now when the police came

18:32

to take this report, next explained

18:35

they had been harassed and bullied

18:37

for months and they splashed water

18:39

and then they were pushed and

18:42

then they pushed a girl into

18:44

a paper towel dispenser. They were

18:46

beat and blacked out of it.

18:49

They wanted to file a police

18:51

report. However this police officer discourages

18:53

next from filing a police report.

18:56

I went to the bathroom they followed me in

18:58

there and they attacked me because she's a true

19:00

victim of assault and battery. She

19:03

did nothing but the fact that she

19:06

threw that water it kind of puts

19:10

her. Even though she didn't put hands

19:12

on them? It's still assault and water.

19:14

You see what I'm

19:16

saying? If you have not done that,

19:20

absolutely. Not only does that

19:22

police officer discourage them from filing

19:24

a report, he also defends their

19:26

bullying with freedom of speech and

19:28

says that next would be just

19:30

as much as fault as the

19:32

people who beat them up. A

19:34

big part of the conversation was

19:37

painting next as the aggressor. So that

19:39

man is an officer, however I am

19:41

an attorney so let me speak to

19:43

what I researched on that. He is

19:46

correct. That actually does fall under the

19:48

category of assault. According to Oklahoma Penal

19:51

Code 13-1203, it does fall

19:53

under assault. Yeah, that's what

19:55

I'm saying. He's not wrong.

19:57

However, there is something called

19:59

proportion. Did

20:01

you learn about that in law school? No,

20:03

I didn't go to law school. I know,

20:06

I didn't think so. Proportionate response in layman's

20:08

terms, since you all are not a servant

20:10

of the law like myself, is

20:12

if someone slaps you, you can't pull out a gun and shoot

20:14

them, right? For a reasonable

20:17

argument of self-defense, you must

20:19

give a proportional response to

20:21

the threat that you are

20:23

facing. So there's a lot

20:25

of finger-pointing online that next

20:28

started it. However, a proportional

20:30

response to getting water poured on you

20:32

is not getting the shit beat out

20:35

of you. You will lose your breath

20:37

at the amount of people who are

20:39

talking about the death of this young

20:41

child and saying, but she started it.

20:44

There's a lot of emotions, there's a

20:46

lot of topics of conversation that this

20:48

brings up, but before we launch into

20:51

your thoughts, Rabia, because I know you

20:53

have a lot, I want you all

20:55

to get very acquainted with some names.

20:58

There are several people in this scenario

21:00

who have blood on their hands for the death

21:02

of next. I don't have

21:04

time to list them all, and

21:06

I'm actually not kidding, but I

21:08

want to introduce you to a

21:10

couple of them. The first one

21:12

is Ryan Walters. Ryan is the

21:14

Oklahoma State Superintendent of Education. I'm

21:16

just going to skip right to

21:18

underlining this all for you. He

21:20

does not recognize the existence of

21:22

trans, non-gender conforming people, or non-binary

21:24

people. This is not my speculation,

21:27

this is not my opinion, this

21:29

is documented facts straight from his mouth. You

21:32

know, what we've seen is an assault

21:35

on truth in our education system,

21:37

and what we've seen is instead

21:39

of telling kids that there's

21:41

two genders, it's biology. We

21:43

have injected radical gender theory into telling

21:45

kids that they might be other genders.

21:48

It's dangerous. It

21:51

puts our girls in jeopardy and

21:53

endangers their safety. And,

21:55

you know, it is common sense. And

21:58

What we've got to do is we've got to return. Back to

22:00

the common sense policy. the we had

22:03

it just a decade ago nurse who.

22:05

Not only that, he also proposed

22:07

that the diversity, equality and

22:09

inclusion rules be banned in Oklahoma.

22:12

If you don't believe me, this

22:14

come straight out of his

22:16

mouth as long. See I

22:18

should rightly be called discrimination

22:21

exclusion. And Indoctrination That Sells.

22:23

Superintendent Ryan Walters began last week's

22:25

meeting of the Oklahoma State Board

22:27

of Education with an announcement that

22:29

he would file a new rule

22:31

for that apartment that would bend

22:33

diversity, agree, and inclusion in Oklahoma

22:36

schools from pre k through the

22:38

twelfth grade. We need to make

22:40

sure that our schools are focused

22:42

on getting back to the basis,

22:44

not focused on resources and programs

22:46

that divide us. Because. Inclusion divides

22:48

as he was also responsible for

22:51

putting a ban on children changing

22:53

any pronouns or any gender on

22:55

any prior school records and he

22:57

tweeted quote no child should feel

23:00

fear in their school bathroom because

23:02

of left social experiments and ideologies.

23:04

They have no breeding ground here

23:07

in Oklahoma. My administration will do

23:09

everything in it's power to uphold

23:11

and enforce the law to protect

23:14

our most vulnerable who is the

23:16

most vulnerable. But basically. Or then

23:18

let me underline as he wants

23:20

to limit curriculum to the only

23:22

things that he believes he is

23:24

wants to be. and box he

23:26

has the Retina teachers to strip

23:29

them of their license as he

23:31

does not want to teach any

23:33

race theories and this is the

23:35

crazy thing. He wants teachers to

23:37

put students who are struggling with

23:39

their identity or have a different

23:41

sexual preference. He wants them to

23:43

be outed to him. Wow. Here's

23:45

my take. I actually don't care

23:47

how. many genders he thinks there are

23:49

i really don't i don't care if

23:51

he thinks gay people should die in

23:53

hell if he thinks of women are

23:55

subservient i don't care if he hates

23:58

black women or black people or months

24:00

I don't care if he only wants

24:02

to be surrounded by people just like

24:04

him in his personal life I really

24:06

don't because I can't control how you

24:08

think I just don't want kids to

24:10

fucking die at school Because of what

24:12

he thinks and if you don't think

24:15

this man is on a twisted and

24:17

demented Sick mission to

24:19

systematically kill members of the LGBTQIA

24:21

community You have smoked your fucking

24:23

breakfast because that is exactly what

24:26

this man could do This man

24:28

fired a principal in Oklahoma. I

24:30

think his name was Shane Muggins

24:32

or Mullins, I'm sorry because he had a

24:35

side job as a drag performer a fucking

24:37

fierce drag performer I'm just saying to Ryan

24:39

you can go home You can put on

24:41

your white fucking hood and hang with your

24:44

homies as long as you want But your

24:46

job is to fucking protect children This man

24:48

quotes the Bible all the time on microphones,

24:51

but guess what babe? I might not go

24:53

to church, but I know the fucking Bible.

24:55

So I have a passage for you Ryan

24:57

This is from Romans chapter 16 verse 17

25:01

Now I urge you brothers to

25:03

watch out for those who cause

25:05

dissensions and obstacles Contrary to

25:07

the doctrine you have learned

25:09

avoid them for such people

25:12

do not serve our Lord

25:14

Christ But their own appetites

25:16

they deceive the hearts of

25:18

the unsuspecting with smooth talk

25:20

and flattering words So

25:22

get fucked take your Bible and

25:24

read it and see that Jesus

25:26

Christ would not Fucking agree with

25:28

the shit that you are doing to

25:30

children. I have more but do you want to weigh

25:32

in? I'm just going Let me just say this and

25:35

this is the biggest problem I think that we're

25:37

grappling with in the story But also like

25:39

a really massive level and it's a lot we've

25:41

had a lot of conversations around this in The

25:44

fellowship that I'm doing which involves other fellows

25:46

are politicians and policymakers and advocates and that

25:48

is that what you just said That it's

25:50

his job to protect children problem is that's

25:52

what he thinks he's doing and the passage

25:54

you recite it from the Bible That is

25:56

exactly the passage that he would recite again.

25:58

You're right the dissension caused by LGBTQI

26:00

activists, by trans people, he's like, you

26:03

are the one to work on it.

26:05

So it is so easy to flip

26:07

roles because we can't agree on a

26:09

shared reality. And especially people like him

26:11

will use scripture like that as a

26:13

weapon and they weaponize it against already

26:16

vulnerable communities. That's what he thinks he

26:18

is protecting children. I mean, this actually,

26:20

this story, it's like ties into the

26:22

Alabama ruling that I want to talk

26:24

about about, you know, embryos. I mean,

26:26

like we can't get ideological politics out

26:29

of any of this. And yes,

26:31

it is killing people. It is hurting people

26:33

deeply. I have a couple more people I

26:35

really want you all to be aware of.

26:37

And that is Oklahoma state Senator Tom Woods.

26:40

We represent the constituency. We're

26:43

Republican state super majority. I

26:45

represent constituency that tells us

26:47

we want that field in

26:49

Oklahoma. You know, we are

26:51

a religious state. We are

26:53

going to fight and keep

26:55

that field as the state

26:57

of Oklahoma. Because we're a

26:59

city state, we're a world

27:01

state, we're a world state,

27:03

we want the people to

27:05

live and work and be.

27:09

Go to the state, state choose. We are a

27:11

Republican state. I'm going to vote with you, sir.

27:13

I'm going to vote my values and we don't

27:15

want that as the state of Oklahoma. To

27:17

be clear, the filth he is

27:19

talking about is the LGBTQI

27:22

community. It's this child. This

27:24

man is answering a question about

27:26

the death of a child. This

27:29

shit, Rabia, is out of the

27:31

Nazi fucking playbook. These people are

27:33

trying to erase the LGBTQ people.

27:35

This is your answer to the

27:38

death of a child. But you

27:40

know, it's so fascinating. The brazen,

27:43

outward, comfortable hatred. They

27:45

are so comfortable. You

27:48

can't spell hatred without red hat, don't forget

27:50

that. But I want to meet the Jesus

27:52

that they know. I want to meet that

27:55

Jesus they're talking about because Republican Jesus is

27:57

a totally different dude that I learned about.

28:00

they're comfortable is because they're duly elected officials

28:02

who actually represent their

28:04

constituency, which is what is scarier. You're

28:06

right. The clip you played is horrifying

28:08

to us. That man is going to use

28:10

it for his next campaign and he will

28:12

get elected again because he has the

28:14

courage, according to his constituents, to tell it

28:17

like it is. I mean, look, Trump took

28:19

us up. There's nothing, you know what

28:21

I mean? People like that are like normalizing

28:23

hate. And they're also unifying. They are

28:25

finding each other because... Oh, that's been happening

28:28

forever. Yeah, yeah. They're not so out in

28:30

the open, Robby. Trump changed that. Come

28:33

on, Trump changed that. You're absolutely right. He

28:35

made it perfectly fine for them to

28:37

unionize, to come together. The last person

28:39

on this list of very culpable people

28:41

in a hand in this child's death,

28:44

and there are more, I just realize

28:46

that I'm going on and on. Ryan

28:48

Walters, the first piece of shit I

28:50

talk about, recently appointed a woman by

28:53

the name of Kaya Raychik. I don't

28:55

know if I'm pronouncing her name wrong.

28:57

If I am, I don't apologize. She

28:59

runs a hate account, basically, called the

29:01

Libs of TikTok, and she has posted

29:04

anti-gay, anti-transgender content. That has

29:06

not been taken off meta

29:08

as hate speech, which is

29:10

hilarious to me. But the

29:12

Libs of TikTok woman is

29:14

now part of Ryan Walters'

29:16

library committee in Oklahoma. This

29:18

bitch lives in a studio

29:21

in Brooklyn. And

29:23

she now works. She has no

29:25

experience in libraries. She

29:27

doesn't have a kid, and she

29:29

lives in the ass end of

29:31

Brooklyn. He hired her. He reposted

29:33

her Libs of TikTok stuff. Basically,

29:36

him hiring her legitimized everything that

29:38

she has put out on her

29:40

exceedingly hateful platform. He makes it

29:42

okay. Let me wrap up the

29:44

actual case, the law of the

29:46

case. As I said, the charges

29:49

have yet to be determined. I'm

29:51

assuming they're waiting for information from

29:53

the medical examiner. And part of

29:55

me feels like this is just

29:57

an opportunity for local law enforcement.

30:00

to suggest that Nex had drugs in

30:02

their system, no matter if it is...

30:04

But there will be a full toxicology,

30:06

right? There's going to be a full

30:09

autopsy and all that. Of course. Let

30:11

me tell you some more dissension on

30:13

the internet. I do encourage everyone to

30:15

watch the body cam footage of Nex's

30:17

interview with that fucking stupid police officer

30:20

who's trying to mask as a nice

30:22

guy. Everyone is saying they had a

30:24

perfectly easy conversation. They were fine. They

30:26

were cognizant. But I want to remind

30:28

you all of Natasha Richardson who

30:30

fell and hit herself. You know,

30:33

was like, I'm fine. Finished her

30:35

day skiing. Declined any kind of

30:37

medical treatment. And then she passed

30:39

due to head trauma. So that

30:42

argument doesn't hold water. And

30:44

I just I hate this world

30:46

sometimes. I think that, of course,

30:48

political and religious beliefs divide us,

30:51

but no child should have to die

30:53

for that. It's very sad. I

30:56

will warn you if you do

30:58

watch the interview with

31:00

Nex, their mom does misgender

31:02

them for which she has

31:05

deeply apologized. She admitted

31:07

and said that she was still learning

31:09

and trying to understand. She said that

31:11

Nex's chosen name will appear on

31:13

their headstone and wanted the public to

31:16

know that she was sincerely sorry for

31:18

the mistake. And she was in

31:20

a traumatic situation. I do think that

31:22

the accountability is very nice and the

31:25

mother should not be attacked while

31:27

she is grieving the loss of her

31:29

child. What's happening in that situation is

31:31

the mother's been counting a police officer. She

31:33

didn't know how that police officer is going to treat her child

31:35

if she correctly genders her child. And to

31:38

protect her child, she might also be like,

31:40

let me just meet the police officer where

31:42

his expectations might be. I actually

31:44

get that. But I do want to say this. When

31:46

I saw that little clip of the police officer

31:48

talking, and I'm not saying I'm giving him to

31:51

benefit of the doubt, but it sounded to me

31:53

like what he was saying to her was, you

31:55

can file a police complaint, but they also have

31:57

the right to do that. that's

32:00

what you're setting yourself up for, which they could have

32:02

done it anyways. The other group of girls could have done

32:04

it or whoever she splashed the water could have done it

32:06

anyways. And so I wonder if he was just like,

32:08

I cannot fault officers for wanting to deescalate, especially in

32:10

a situation like this. So this police officer is not

32:13

a medical professional, you know, the police officer is in

32:15

there and he's like, well, they look perfectly fine to

32:17

me. They also perfectly fine to me when I watch

32:19

that video. I always support a police officer when he's

32:21

trying to deescalate a situation versus get criminal charges

32:24

on the records of juveniles. Do you understand

32:26

what I'm saying? Interesting. Yeah. I

32:29

just said that because to me it read as

32:31

lazy police work. In my mind, I just thought

32:33

take the report, just write it down, write downwards.

32:35

But I do see your point. I kind of

32:37

like don't want to pass judgment on the officer

32:40

in that moment. And given the totality of circumstances,

32:42

I don't even know if there's enough information to

32:44

know for sure if this was

32:46

a hate crime or not, or

32:48

if it was like kids have fights. Like

32:50

I don't know if we have established enough

32:52

facts. And again, we don't even know

32:55

what actually killed them. That's actually a

32:57

very interesting point because I do want

32:59

to point out when Nex was explaining

33:01

the story, when they recounted what the

33:04

girls said, the girls

33:06

used their proper pronouns. Okay.

33:09

So when Nex said, I'm not saying it

33:11

right, but I can play the audio, but

33:13

essentially Nex said, they said, what are they

33:15

laughing at? Yeah. Okay. That's

33:18

interesting. That is very interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

33:22

The identity of the victim, of the potential victim in this case doesn't

33:24

mean it was necessarily a hate crime. I guess like we

33:26

kind of all have to withhold judgment right now until we have

33:28

more information. My heart hurts so bad for

33:30

this mom. My heart hurts for every mom that

33:33

has to bury a child that is against nature.

33:35

That's not the way life is supposed to be.

33:37

You're not supposed to bury your child. But

33:39

I also don't want to

33:42

dishonor their memory by having

33:44

this turned into a circus. Yeah. I

33:47

want people to find out what happened. And

33:49

it is still fundamentally important, no matter

33:52

how this plays out, to point out

33:54

the actors that you have named

33:56

to show how there are real

33:58

life people. hate.

34:00

Setting up the conditions for trans

34:02

people to get hurt, setting up

34:05

these conditions, like that's what they want.

34:07

Yep. Cilt is meant to be

34:09

cleaned. You know what that means

34:11

to them? Like they, yeah. So yeah,

34:13

I mean it's still important. You can

34:15

never ever lose sight of the fact,

34:18

to your point, that hate is taught.

34:20

We are not born with hate in

34:22

our hearts. That is learned and those

34:24

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34:26

on them for their identity or for

34:29

how they dressed or whatever, that is

34:31

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This is like a great segue into a story

35:45

that I was going to cover because it's a

35:47

question that Beth is asking in our chat group.

35:49

So star witnesses who get to watch us, you

35:51

can be a Patreon star witness and also watch

35:53

us live and Beth asks, is the targeting

35:55

of trans people getting assaulted murdered a hate

35:57

crime? It is a federal hate crime. to

36:00

date, two people have been convicted murdering

36:02

trans people and have been charged under

36:04

the federal hate crime statute. It is

36:06

not a hate crime in every state,

36:09

but under the federal statute it is.

36:11

Just last week, a South

36:13

Carolina man was found guilty of killing

36:15

a black transgender woman in 2019. It

36:18

was the first federal trial

36:20

over a hate crime based on gender identity.

36:22

There has been a conviction before, but there

36:24

was no trial. There have been other cases brought

36:26

underneath this law, but there's never a trial. This

36:29

trial was a trial of a man by the

36:31

name of Dokwa Ritter. Dokwa

36:33

had been in a relationship or

36:35

maybe it's Daquo. Daquo Ritter was in a

36:37

relationship with a woman only identified by her

36:40

own family as Daim Do, who was a

36:42

black trans woman. Ritter was in a secret

36:44

relationship with her. People had begun whispering like

36:46

he had a girlfriend and then he had

36:48

this relationship with this trans woman. His girlfriend

36:51

had used a homophobic slur against him because

36:53

she found out. It seemed from the evidence

36:55

presented at the trial that he killed Do

36:57

because he was afraid she was going to

36:59

come forward and tell the world that this

37:02

man was in a relationship with her. So,

37:04

anyhow, he was convicted of this murder. He

37:06

has not been sentenced yet. The

37:08

federal hate crime laws didn't account

37:11

for offenses motivated by victims' sexual

37:13

orientation or gender identity until 2009, but

37:15

since 2009, they have been on the books. According

37:19

to DHS, transgender women, social color,

37:21

are facing really skyrocketing rates of

37:23

violence and hate crimes and in

37:25

2022, according to the FBI, gender

37:28

identity based hate crimes increased by

37:30

37% compared to

37:32

just a year earlier than that. That

37:34

could also be more reporting, which

37:37

is great. They were probably there

37:39

and not reported. Yeah, but also,

37:42

Ellen, there has been a very

37:44

specific shift to focus on trans

37:46

people specifically. Absolutely. Right?

37:48

And I've talked about how I've been alarmed

37:51

watching like the Muslim community suddenly aligning on

37:53

this as if the greatest danger to our

37:55

children in school is trans children. And it's

37:57

never been a political issue in our community.

38:00

It's never really been a bit political, but it's

38:02

become like a – it's like who's our next

38:04

enemy? Who's our next domestic enemy? And the Christian

38:06

right very specifically has decided to make – so

38:08

yeah, it's probably in greater reporting, but I

38:10

think it's also actually greater violence. I would attribute

38:12

some of that percentage to

38:15

incorrect reporting, because if a

38:17

trans woman is attacked, they

38:19

don't acknowledge her as a

38:21

woman. That could just

38:23

be an assault and not a hate crime.

38:25

Does that make sense? That can just be

38:28

a transphobic route. It's

38:30

a false route of false report, incorrect reporting. The

38:32

feds are not going to step in. The federal

38:34

hate crime law can only be

38:36

charged under it if a federal prosecutor brings the charges.

38:39

It doesn't always – it doesn't happen. It just ends at

38:41

the state level. Josh actually makes a really great

38:43

point in the chat. He says corporations make

38:45

money on the gays now. That's why they

38:48

aren't on them specifically, yeah. Josh, are you

38:50

– can you explain to me a little

38:52

more what that means? I assume he means

38:54

gay pride, and if they align with gay

38:56

rights, then they have all these people going

38:58

and supporting them. Oh, these are the good

39:00

guys we can support, like Target putting out

39:03

all of their gay pride merch. I feel

39:05

like that's what – Okay. Gay pride merch,

39:07

okay. It's a moneymaker. It's the

39:09

cool thing to do, because we're all

39:11

going to message each other and say,

39:14

shop at Lowe's, not at Home Depot,

39:16

because Lowe's has come out in support.

39:18

Basically, it's like every other holiday. They've

39:21

commodified them. Yeah, they've commodified them. Absolutely.

39:24

It doesn't come from a good place nine

39:26

times out of ten. So then who is

39:28

the next most vulnerable class? Trans people.

39:31

Great. Not shocking. And

39:33

it is so sad. From one awful story to

39:35

the next, we go to Alabama. Why? Alabama.

39:38

I don't know if I'll ever actually go to Alabama. So

39:41

last week, in a very first-of-its-kind ruling,

39:43

Alabama Supreme Court – and this totally

39:45

naturally follows all the things that we

39:47

thought was going to happen. And you

39:49

know when folks like us, we predicted

39:52

that how low this battle could go

39:54

when it comes to reproductive rights, how dystopian

39:56

it could be. People didn't believe it. No,

39:58

it'll never get that. Okay, here you

40:01

go. Buckle up. The Alabama Supreme Court

40:03

says, in their state, frozen embryos are

40:05

now considered children. And anybody who destroys

40:07

a frozen embryo can be held liable

40:09

for wrongful death. Now, just to be

40:11

clear, this is around wrongful civil claims

40:13

of wrongful death, not criminal charges. But

40:15

if you think criminal charges are not

40:17

going to follow, it's

40:19

just a matter of legislating it. And the

40:21

legislators exist in Alabama to make that happen.

40:24

But the natural, the next natural progression of

40:26

this is that there will be criminal charges.

40:29

It's like women having miscarriages and getting

40:31

arrested, which we never could have imagined maybe

40:33

20 years ago that would happen. So

40:35

what happened is this, okay? There

40:37

was, in 2020, three sets of

40:39

parents using an IVS clinic brought

40:41

the lawsuit. But in 2020, a

40:43

patient at one hospital where the

40:46

frozen embryos were being stored walked

40:48

into the fertility clinic through an

40:50

unsecured doorway, have no idea how they got access. So

40:52

that's, there's some civil liability there

40:54

for the clinic, perhaps, remove several

40:56

embryos from the cryogenic nursery. The

40:58

patient's hand got freeze-burned, like whatever,

41:00

freezer-burned or whatever got burned. This

41:03

person dropped the embryos. And, you know,

41:05

the reporting's like killed them, but I

41:07

can't even bring myself to use that language. It

41:09

destroyed the embryos, okay, because they

41:11

dropped them. The parents brought lawsuits

41:13

against the clinic. As well they

41:16

should. For what? That's the thing,

41:18

for wrongful death, not for like

41:20

negligence or destruction of property or...

41:22

Because that's devastating. It is. To

41:24

that family that is money, that

41:27

is time, that is emotion, that

41:29

is absolutely devastating. Negligence in the

41:31

highest possible form. Here's what really

41:33

confuses me about this case, is

41:35

that didn't these families who are

41:37

using IVS, because they need

41:40

IVS services, not understand what

41:42

the outcome of winning these

41:44

lawsuits would mean to others,

41:46

who, and you yourself, by

41:48

the way, who probably still need

41:50

IVS, you are paralyzing the industry? There

41:52

are three clinics now, three service providers

41:55

in Alabama, that since this ruling, like

41:57

we're not providing services anymore, the

41:59

liabilities... too high because there's so

42:01

many different ways embryos can expire, be

42:03

destroyed. Do you know how many thousands

42:05

of embryos are abandoned every year? What

42:07

are they supposed to do? Store

42:10

them in perpetuity just in case folks show up

42:12

and be like, where's my embryo? Wrongful death. You

42:14

didn't hold on to this. I have a question

42:16

about that. Go ahead. Finish and then

42:18

I'll ask my question. Yeah. It's like how

42:20

these plaintiffs didn't understand the natural outcome was

42:22

to actually hurt families like just like them.

42:25

Families who their only crime is wanting

42:27

a family. They just want children. Yes,

42:29

you're absolutely right. They're voting against their

42:31

best interests. I have not researched this.

42:33

This is a legitimate question. What if

42:36

there is a dorm or an act

42:38

of God, whatever they call it, a

42:40

facility that stores embryos, loses electricity. I

42:42

would imagine there's generators and a system

42:45

of generators in place, but that has

42:47

had to have happened, which I'm sure

42:49

the family sign away that liability if

42:51

there's a storm. What is that?

42:54

Mass murder? Is that a genocide?

42:56

Genocide. What is that? I'm

42:58

not going to say this where maybe I'm sure families do

43:00

sign away certain liabilities. The liabilities

43:02

will be for civil suits. But

43:04

if this evolves into criminal laws

43:07

against losing a frozen embryo,

43:09

then a family can sign away whatever

43:11

liability they want, but these facilities could

43:13

still be criminally liable. Now

43:15

Jill brings up an interesting point and it's a distinction that's important to be made.

43:18

She says Scott Peterson was convicted of killing his

43:20

unborn fetus as well. The difference is this. This

43:22

is the first of its kind case in which

43:24

we're talking about embryos outside of the uterus. They're

43:27

not a fetus. They're actually, they're an embryo. They're not

43:29

a fetus, right? These are

43:31

embryos that are outside of a womb.

43:34

So they're not even viable. Amanda asks

43:36

in the chat, if frozen embryos are

43:38

lives and they implant 10 and nine die, is

43:42

the doctor guilty of nine counts of

43:44

murder? Or is the woman just like

43:46

the woman who has a miscarriage? Her

43:49

uterus wasn't able to carry all 10

43:51

embryos. So you, ma'am, enjoy that pregnancy

43:54

in the county jail. Right. The

43:56

thing is like none of this is beyond

43:58

as absolutely dystopian and ridiculous. of the sounds, it

44:01

is not beyond reality with ruling like this.

44:03

And I want to read, Chief Justice

44:05

Tom Parker wrote in his opinion, the

44:07

people of Alabama have declared because let

44:10

me just say this, okay, in 2018,

44:12

Alabama residents did vote in a referendum,

44:14

they amended a constitution to include protections

44:17

for unborn life. Now, I am guessing

44:19

most Alabamans that the word did not

44:21

expect it to extend to unborn lives outside

44:23

of a uterus, because there's no language around

44:26

that in this constitutional change. But here's what

44:28

Chief Justice Tom Parker wrote. He said the

44:30

people of Alabama have declared the public policy

44:32

of the state to be that unborn

44:35

human life is sacred. We believe that each

44:37

human being from the moment of conception

44:39

is made in the image of God

44:41

created by him to reflect his likeness.

44:43

Basically, you are murdering God now. David

44:45

Jesus is like basically the victim here.

44:47

I get this fight. I'm gonna try

44:49

and use some flowy language. After a

44:52

woman enjoys some private time with her

44:54

husband goes to the

44:56

bathroom after and expel some

44:58

things out of her parts.

45:00

She just murdered millions of

45:02

babies just by peeing. You

45:04

just crucified Jesus. This is

45:06

preposterous. It is scary. It

45:08

is. Yeah, I have a lot of

45:10

opinions on the business, the

45:13

corporation, the monetization of creating life

45:15

and IVF clinics. That's for another

45:17

time, but they exist for a

45:19

reason. I think that they are

45:21

privatized. I think that they are

45:23

making way too much money off

45:26

the desperation of people having families.

45:28

Again, I'm in the weeds, but

45:31

I'm just saying that they are there for

45:33

reason. I also want to read. And now

45:35

they're just gonna stop doing it because who

45:37

wants to take that on? Well, Alabama Supreme

45:39

Court Justice Greg Cook wrote in his only

45:43

dissenting opinion, no rational

45:45

medical provider would continue to provide services

45:47

for creating and maintaining frozen embryos, noting

45:49

knowing that they must continue to maintain

45:51

such frozen embryos forever or risk the

45:53

penalty of a wrongful death act claim.

45:55

So yes, he is foreseeing how this

45:57

is gonna go. Interestingly enough, there is

45:59

a Republican legislator in Alabama who

46:01

has brought or he's intending to file

46:03

legislation Republican State Senator Tim Nelson who

46:06

is a medical doctor he intends to

46:08

file legislation to protect IVF services said

46:10

that the legislation seeks to say that

46:13

if fertilized egg has illegal protections

46:15

under the statute no listen after it

46:17

is implanted in the uterus but not

46:19

before again oh you went roller skating

46:21

and lost your fetus you're going

46:23

to jail it's better than where we

46:25

are now. Tanner says male masturbation should

46:27

be against the law because they're wasting

46:30

life. Reckless abandonment Elwood said it best.

46:32

I cannot believe that we're having this

46:34

conversation right now. Oh I can. I

46:36

totally can. Who are these stupid fucking

46:39

men? They're men who think that they are they

46:41

are God. They think they are the image of

46:43

God, the likeness of God. They think they are

46:45

God. I'm not at all surprised about this. This

46:47

country is just going to turn into very I

46:50

feel like two different countries is where we're headed to

46:52

where if you are a woman or minority or any part

46:54

of any vulnerable community you're going to be safe in some

46:56

places the other places you all just got to get

46:58

out. This is going to start some legislation. People have

47:01

wondered whether this can be taken to the US

47:03

Supreme Court where well it's not a matter of

47:05

US constitutional law is the thing. The US Supreme

47:07

Court can't really contemplate. They don't have a US

47:09

constitutional question. The only question they could even contemplate

47:12

is can a state have a law like this?

47:14

Yes it can. I mean that's the separation that's

47:16

federalism. So no it's not going to go to

47:18

Supreme Court likely or maybe maybe the defendants

47:20

will file cert and it'll probably get dismissed.

47:23

There's nothing there for them to really consider. So

47:25

it stays in Alabama until legislators do something about

47:27

it. What a time to be alive.

47:29

This is great. Okay my next case

47:31

takes place in Livingston, Texas. On February

47:34

15th an 11 year old little girl

47:36

by the name of Audrey Cunningham was

47:38

supposed to have gotten on her school

47:40

bus that morning but she never made

47:42

it to school. It was later found

47:45

out after the school alerted the family

47:47

that she didn't make it to school

47:49

that she never even made it on

47:51

the bus. At 5 30

47:54

p.m. she was reported missing and an

47:56

amber alert was issued after a

47:58

little bit of investigation. It was

48:00

found out that a man by the name

48:02

of Don McDougall was supposed to drive Audrey

48:05

to the bus stop that day, Thursday, February

48:07

15th, but we know she never made it

48:09

on that bus. McDougall was

48:11

named the person of interest

48:14

in Audrey's disappearance. Come to

48:16

find out from Audrey's mother,

48:18

Casey Matthews, that this man,

48:20

Don McDougall, was friends with

48:22

Audrey's father. In fact, he

48:24

would babysit the 11-year-old girl

48:27

whenever the father needed help.

48:29

He apparently lived in a

48:31

trailer behind her dad and grandmother's

48:33

home. I guess he lived with

48:36

his mother. Tuesday, February 20th, the

48:38

little girl's body was found in

48:40

the Trinity River in that same

48:43

town of Livingston, Texas. She

48:45

was found with a rock tied to

48:47

her. The medical

48:50

examiner came back and ruled that

48:52

Audrey's primary cause of death was

48:54

homicidal violence with blunt force head

48:57

trauma. Now Don McDougall was at

48:59

the time in jail for

49:01

an unrelated charge, but he is

49:03

now being charged with capital murder

49:05

in connection with Audrey's death. But

49:07

just wait for your anxiety to

49:10

spike again, because just the other

49:12

day he went to go have

49:14

his rights read by the justice

49:16

of the peace. They went and opened his cell

49:18

and he was naked. And

49:20

all his swastika tattoos were showing and

49:22

he refused to get dressed, so he

49:24

threw on a blanket smirking while he

49:27

went to the justice of the peace

49:29

to be informed of his

49:31

capital murder charges. He was also

49:33

denied bond. Upon

49:35

further investigation, it is confirmed that

49:37

Don McDougall has ties to the

49:40

Aryan Brotherhood. And for those of

49:42

you who don't know, the Aryan

49:44

Brotherhood, also known as AB, it

49:46

is a notorious gang in the

49:48

United States. They estimate over, wait

49:50

for it, 15 million

49:54

members, both inside and outside

49:56

of prison. That's not all. This

49:59

is where we're all gonna Have to go and scream

50:02

into a pillow. Don McDougall has a

50:04

dark past He has a lot of

50:06

previous offenses, but I'm just gonna highlight

50:08

the ones that involve children his crimes

50:11

date back to 2001

50:13

I'm just gonna go over a list of

50:15

them child enticement which involves inviting or persuading

50:17

a child under 15 years of age to

50:21

A vehicle and taking them to

50:23

a place with the intent of

50:25

committing sexual assault. So the most

50:27

disturbing of his Incidents not the

50:30

only one occurred in 2008

50:33

when he pleaded no contest to

50:35

two felony charges of indicting a

50:37

child in Brazoria County this offense

50:39

involved attempting to remove the pants

50:41

of a 10 year old little

50:43

girl while in bed with her

50:45

He was found guilty Can

50:47

you please just throw out a number

50:50

Rabiya of how long his prison sentence

50:52

was and a six month? It was

50:54

two years but was given credit for

50:57

time served So he then served six

50:59

months and then for some reason that

51:01

I looked up and down for you

51:03

know Just on Wikipedia. I don't try

51:06

that hard He was not required by

51:08

the state to register as a sex

51:10

offender So after that incident in 2008

51:12

that attack He

51:15

spent a bunch of time in and out of

51:17

prison and a lot of those charges were a

51:19

fast driving while intoxicated Unauthorized

51:22

use of a vehicle drug possession

51:24

aggravated assault with a deadly weapon

51:26

this last charge He

51:28

was According to court documents.

51:31

There was a victim that was stabbed and

51:33

I'm gonna tell you the quickest version of

51:35

this story basically the stabbing victim Identified

51:38

somebody else by mistake and then was

51:40

like, oh no, no, it's this guy

51:42

McDougall and then the cop said well

51:44

You're not a reliable witness. So they

51:47

didn't charge him. They didn't even question

51:49

McDougall They didn't even bring him in

51:51

the police station and ask him questions

51:53

The district attorney reviewed the case and

51:56

they were like now they're fine when

51:58

they identified him as a

52:00

person of interest. He was being

52:02

interviewed on February 16th, the

52:05

day after Audrey was reported missing. He

52:07

did admit to stabbing that man, and

52:09

that is why he was in jail.

52:11

So lots of things to unpack. I

52:14

don't understand in what

52:16

right mind why you

52:18

would give supervision access

52:20

to their child of

52:22

a convicted fucking felon

52:24

and a confirmed neo-Nazi

52:26

pedophile. He is an

52:28

active member of the Aryan Brotherhood.

52:31

You know what, Ellen? We don't know. Her

52:33

father might have also been a member of

52:35

this brotherhood, right? So that's

52:37

the thing. And if he's not a

52:39

registered sex offender, he might not even

52:41

know what his record is. But if

52:43

they're part of the same gang, that's

52:45

just a band of brothers right there.

52:47

Of course. But then put your child

52:49

in harm's way. You should see this

52:51

man, Rabia. He looks like the inside

52:53

of a clogged fucking drain. I wouldn't

52:55

leave my pet fucking rock with this

52:57

man. And it's amazing because obviously there's

52:59

millions of white supremacists. And these people

53:01

seem to be the least supreme out

53:03

of anyone. This man is disgusting. He

53:05

looks like he was fashioned out of

53:08

spare parts. He looks like a

53:10

man that was put together with

53:12

the fucking leftovers. My question, how

53:14

do you let a confirmed pedophile

53:16

neo-Nazi watch your kid? And I

53:18

just want to say, for those

53:20

of you who might

53:22

be blissfully unaware, the main reason

53:25

why children are abused by

53:27

someone other than their parents

53:30

is because a lot of

53:32

times the parents have given

53:34

access to their children to

53:37

those people. You make fun of me all the time

53:39

because I want to lock people up and throw away

53:41

the key. It's for people like this. How

53:43

do we let repeat sex

53:45

offenders back on the street? Someone explain

53:47

that to me. I know you think

53:50

I think everybody should be locked up.

53:52

But I do think anyone who hurts

53:54

a child should be locked up. And

53:56

I believe in rehabilitation. I believe in

53:58

second chances. But listen when I co-

54:00

Clearly try and say this

54:02

predatory rapists cannot be rehabilitated

54:04

and Fucking up

54:07

you want three strikes. Why are you giving a

54:09

second strike to people that can hurt your kids?

54:11

Do you think the parents should be held responsible

54:13

for putting their child in harm's way? It's a

54:15

tough question I don't know it is because it's

54:18

a lot of what we talked about with the

54:20

Jennifer Crumbly case Yeah, I don't know the

54:22

totality the circumstances. I don't know how much the

54:24

parents knew and didn't know I don't know if

54:26

her father is part of this brotherhood. I don't

54:28

know It is said that he was

54:31

that is speculation It is confirmed that

54:33

this guy was but they read on

54:35

the same circle. Here's the problem How

54:37

many stories have we all heard of

54:39

of parents having no idea that cousin

54:41

so-and-so and lovely uncle so-and-so

54:43

is doing it? Right. Yes, but that is

54:45

in good faith. There are wolves and sheep's

54:47

clothing lurking among us all the time Yes,

54:49

but this man has what's because all over

54:51

his body. He was already fucking in jail

54:53

for rape So you can't claim that I

54:55

didn't know that uncle Harry was a pedophile

54:57

because he was so sweet and dressed up

54:59

as Santa every year When this fucking guy

55:02

looks like the bottom of my fucking shoe.

55:04

What if her dad is covered? What if

55:06

her dad's covered in swastikas? What if they're

55:08

like him up like we you know what

55:10

I mean? Like the person that looks dangerous

55:12

to us might not look dangerous to them So

55:14

I don't know and again,

55:16

I don't always I don't believe

55:19

the criminalizing everything is the answer

55:21

So I cannot really

55:23

answer that question if they should be held does this

55:25

rise to the level of child negligence?

55:27

I don't know. What if that father's like

55:29

I have to go to work Do I

55:31

leave my nine-year-old completely alone or like figure

55:33

the fuck out then you're not going to

55:35

work son Ellen You know rather than putting

55:37

your fucking baby in the hands of a

55:40

criminal not even a criminal He

55:42

didn't fucking rob a liquor store.

55:44

He rapes children He's

55:47

a pedophile forget him being

55:49

white supremacist. Okay, cuz his dad is

55:51

one too. He hurt children We

55:53

don't know if they know that like I don't know. I don't

55:56

know my neighbor's criminal record Most people are not gonna do that

55:58

level of due diligence. They're gonna be like, oh, we're buddies I've

56:00

known him for five, six years or whatever and

56:02

he seems... But if he was a registered sex

56:04

offender, he would have had to have told them.

56:06

So why wasn't he a registered sex offender? Would

56:08

he have had to tell them? No. Yes.

56:12

You are required to tell all of your

56:14

neighbors. It's obviously different state by state but

56:16

within a certain radius of where you live,

56:19

you must inform your neighbors, schools, libraries, churches,

56:21

like all of those places. You have to

56:23

go and tell them that you are a

56:25

registered sex offender. That's the big question. That's

56:28

the big question. Why is that one protection

56:30

that could have changed the outcome here

56:32

and saved this child's life? Where's

56:35

the judge or the prosecutor or whatever that failed on

56:37

that count? I think that's important. Well, my last story

56:39

is just an update and it's not a great update but

56:41

I also kind of understand it. We covered

56:43

this case months ago, Janhvi Kondila. She

56:45

was struck by a police car in

56:48

Seattle. She was a student from India

56:50

working on her master's degree and she was

56:52

crossing a crosswalk in the campus when this

56:54

police car that was going, I don't know,

56:56

77 miles an hour inside the campus knocked her 138 feet. She

56:59

later died that night. Now, this story got

57:01

more attention when there was some dash cam

57:04

footage released of another officer kind of laughing

57:06

about the whole thing. It was like, well,

57:08

she's dead. I think just yesterday, they announced

57:10

that King County prosecutors were not filing

57:12

criminal charges. They said basically their investigation

57:14

showed that we're not saying it's her

57:16

fault but she was distracted

57:18

and she was not paying attention. They

57:21

have actual footage of this and they have witnesses

57:23

and they said what happened was it was dark.

57:25

She walked out into the crosswalk before she even

57:27

looked and when she realized there was a car

57:29

coming really quick, she didn't stop. She decided to make

57:31

a run for it to see if she could get past. The

57:35

system of the police car cruiser shows that

57:37

the officer hit the brake right before striking

57:39

her but then it's like he could not

57:41

avoid striking her. So the other

57:44

question is how fast he was going. Well, apparently

57:46

he was responding to a call. It was a

57:48

drug overdose. He was responding to a 911 call of

57:50

a drug overdose. When officers are responding to a call

57:52

like that, they turn on their lights and they can

57:54

go that fast. And so they're like

57:56

there's no criminal liability here for

57:58

this officer. have to laugh

58:00

at her after he hit her? It wasn't the

58:02

same officer who apparently who laughed. Yeah. Now

58:05

the Indian government, she was an Indian national,

58:07

it's all over the Indian news by the

58:09

way. Every major Indian news network has

58:11

covered this. I'm sure. And the

58:13

Indian government has formally requested a review of

58:15

the decision and they even

58:18

tweeted about it. They said that you know

58:20

the consulate has been in regular touch with

58:22

the family representatives, we've raised the matter with

58:24

local authorities and the case has now been

58:26

referred to Seattle City Attorney's Office for review.

58:28

I'm guessing this will be resolved in the

58:30

only way that seems likely going forward is

58:32

like in a civil death wrongful type of

58:34

suit perhaps but in terms of criminal case

58:36

that's not gonna happen. How do you feel about that?

58:38

What are your thoughts? Well you know Tana's asking if he stopped

58:40

to help or yeah he did stop to help or he

58:42

stopped and he tried to give her CPR and

58:44

he did try to help and he seems very

58:47

flustered and he seemed upset about the whole thing.

58:49

I mean if what the reporting is right that

58:51

he was going too fast to have stopped anyways

58:53

and she made the split second decision to try to

58:55

cross, it was a miscalculation. They said that her earbuds

58:57

were recovered from the scene as well. So you know

58:59

I mean like we're all like that's the problem. A

59:01

lot of us are just plugged in and not paying

59:04

attention to our surroundings but the other thing is this

59:06

the cross when she was crossing there were these barriers

59:08

that blocked one of the lanes and

59:11

she also didn't have a full view. It's not

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a safe crossing is what I'm trying to say. So

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there might be some liability at the school. It wasn't

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a safe crossing. She would not have seen that car

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coming for miles. However if she actually was plugged in

59:21

listening to something she might have heard it and so.

59:24

Right we can't blame her for that. I mean we

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all go. Right. What I'm saying

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is I think they probably reached the

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right decision. I don't think there's any kind of criminality

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on the part of the officer here. Okay. Well

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two things can be true at the

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same time. Something can be really sad

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and awful and not against the law

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and be an accident. Has Charlotte given

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birth yet? Anybody know? Remember Charlotte the

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