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Well, greats and

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barrels, it is

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Friday, March 15th.

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It is a live one. Derek and Riper,

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Eno, Sarah, Trevor, May, all here with you

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on this Friday. On this episode, we got

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some news on Derek Cole. We have rumors

0:28

about Blake Snell. We have some

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new faces in new places that have intrigued

0:32

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0:37

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to it. We have some news on Derek Cole. No

1:00

UCL tear detected. He's still expected to miss

1:02

one to two months. It just feels like

1:04

we're in this holding pattern. I saw some

1:07

analysis from a few different physicians out there

1:09

that they weren't the ones that read the

1:11

MRI or anything like that, but it

1:13

still kind of feels like this

1:15

is a possible like long-term problem

1:17

lurking until we hit some kind

1:20

of prolonged stretch where Derek Cole

1:22

is healthy and pitching effectively again.

1:24

So Trevor, do you have a point in

1:26

your career where you were waiting for

1:28

something like this where you didn't have a clear

1:31

tear or something that was known to be

1:33

a major problem but you had to work

1:35

through this sort of window of uncertainty? Yeah,

1:38

actually all of 2016 had a

1:40

back issue and that we couldn't,

1:43

the diagnosis didn't seem quite right

1:45

and it just seemed like it was

1:48

like, okay, just do this rehab program

1:50

and then strengthen everything around it and

1:52

it'll be, you know, you'll feel better

1:55

at some point. That uncertainty,

1:57

it sucks. I'm honestly,

1:59

my ton of. on surgery. My

2:01

tear was so clean that it was just like I just knew what

2:04

the next like 16 months were gonna look like immediately

2:06

which was really nice at

2:08

least. If you're gonna be hurt you want to

2:11

know what's going on and then how to fix

2:13

it right away. Yeah hearing that about Cole is

2:15

not great. It has that feeling like we're in

2:17

a holding pattern and let's see if he feels

2:19

better. That's just never anything you want to hear

2:22

because I feel like this could be

2:24

recency bias but it's usually a lot

2:26

longer than they're anticipating. Have

2:29

we heard any details? Like this

2:31

is the first time seeing no UCL tear. Have

2:34

you seen any other details? I haven't seen

2:36

anything like a PRP injection or anything.

2:38

I haven't even seen like a diagnosis.

2:40

They said his elbow hurt and then

2:42

that... They're probably like there's inflammation in

2:44

the area I guarantee you that's what

2:46

they like yes that's what happens when

2:48

things hurt. That's easily what it is.

2:50

When there's inflammation in the area have

2:52

you seen your own MRIs? Have I?

2:54

Yes. Have you been like walked through

2:56

like what you're looking at and like you

2:58

get so you like when you an MRI

3:01

if there's that inflammation around the area does that make

3:03

it hard to see if there's a tear? Like

3:05

does inflammation block what you might see?

3:08

Yes so the biggest the best way to find

3:10

out if there is a tear in your elbow

3:13

is like with an

3:15

arthrogram which I won't get

3:17

it's a little bit awful because but it's like

3:19

you put dye in the area and then that

3:21

dye like can travel within a muscle and then

3:23

if there's a like tendons block. You'll see a

3:25

bright you'll see the no color somewhere. Yeah so

3:28

like color will go somewhere it's not supposed to

3:30

be and that means there's a tear like for

3:32

mine it was just like the colors yellow and

3:34

they just pulled up the image and before it

3:36

even start like before it even the whole thing

3:38

was yellow so he's like yeah it's everywhere so

3:42

it's gone it's not even leaking it's gone so

3:44

it was I knew immediately he just said we're

3:46

gonna see if it's yellow or not and he

3:49

opened it he's like whoa whoa but again if

3:51

there's lots of inflammation

3:55

or swelling that might close that up and

3:57

that might not even work so it is

4:00

It is kind of a guess and check a

4:02

lot of times. You gotta wait for

4:04

things to calm down before you can see what's

4:06

going on. So basically they're gonna

4:08

take another MRI in four

4:11

weeks or something. And the swelling will be down and

4:14

then they might get, they might be like, oh, well

4:16

it was a tear. That happens very

4:18

often, yeah, that's common. There's the land

4:20

of uncertainty we're living in with Garrett Cole and

4:22

if you're in the position of Brian Cashman, you

4:24

have to decide, do I take advantage of the

4:26

fact that Blake Snell and Jordan Montgomery are still

4:28

out there as free agents? Do I go ahead

4:30

and throw money at the problem because in

4:33

a world where Garrett Cole is not available, you've

4:35

got Rodan, you've got Stroman, you've got Nestor Cortez,

4:37

you've got Clark Schmidt, you kind of have the

4:39

open competition with a lot of younger guys, maybe

4:41

Luis Heel stepping up into that number five spot.

4:43

I mean, Eno, do you think there's a pressing

4:45

need for the Yankees to go out and make

4:47

an addition or do you trust the depth enough

4:50

for them to weather the storm even if this does

4:52

turn into a longer term absence for Cole? You

4:54

know, I kind of like the idea of Snell

4:56

because Snell, when he's in, can pitch like an

4:59

ace and the question is only when is

5:01

he in? And so you kind of just like line

5:03

up the, when is he in with the other guys?

5:05

You're like, okay, Snell will be held to begin the

5:07

season and then if he's not later

5:10

on, then hopefully Cole will be back, you know?

5:12

And I don't think that throwing, you know,

5:14

like Jordan Montgomery, I like, but they

5:16

decided at some point the

5:19

Yankees decided, he's not that much different from

5:21

when they decided this, that he's not a

5:23

playoff rotation guy, you know? They traded

5:25

them away because they had their three or four

5:27

of a playoff rotation guys and they traded him

5:30

for Harrison Bader. I don't think he's actually improved

5:32

since then. I think he's just been in a good situation

5:34

and pitched well. I don't see any sort

5:36

of like, oh, he did this or he pitched this way or he

5:39

didn't know. He's like, say the guy. So

5:41

I think Snell represents more like, hey,

5:43

we lost our number one and here's a guy

5:45

who can pitch like a number one. The only

5:47

question is innings. And I think,

5:49

you know, to some extent, maybe they would

5:51

like what the rumor is that Snell is

5:53

looking for right now, which is kind of

5:55

the pitcher version of the Matt Chapman deal,

5:58

which is something with a high end. AAV

6:00

and some opt-outs. I think

6:02

that might be okay for the Yankees You know, they

6:04

don't get they don't get locked into something long term

6:06

and maybe they can they can set their eyes on

6:09

some sort of Cap reset, you know two or three

6:11

years in the future But you know

6:13

Brian Cashman, this is one of the first years. I

6:15

think that he really has this fire under his ass

6:18

I mean this last year was the first time

6:20

they've missed the playoffs in like, I don't know

6:23

12 years or something I mean something ridiculous and

6:25

he hasn't won at all in a while And I

6:28

think there's a little bit of pressure on him. I think

6:30

that's fair I think the concern

6:32

you would have is that even if Cole

6:34

misses two months and ends up being fine

6:37

Which does seem like the less likely outcome

6:39

based on where things stand today You

6:42

still have a group of guys that have

6:44

a lot of injury problems in their history

6:47

Right between Rodin and Cortez and Clark Schmidt

6:49

So you really don't trust that all three

6:52

of those guys stay healthy start to finish

6:54

So your trust level in the

6:56

likes of heal and will Warren and beater

6:58

has to be really really high If you

7:00

don't go out and do something interesting thing

7:02

too is that we're seeing some reports This

7:04

one's from Chandler Rome be athletic that the

7:07

Astros remain engaged in the starting pitching market specifically

7:09

Blake Snell It could be a fit in Houston

7:11

Which I mean that would bump them

7:13

from probably like a top 10 rotation to clearly inside

7:15

the top five wouldn't it Trevor? Yeah,

7:17

that's That

7:20

would be really good for them and

7:22

they have already done one kind of

7:24

out of nowhere move with haters So

7:26

now I'm not putting anything past them

7:28

and and letting them swoop

7:30

in to really try to lock in that

7:33

eight straight ALCS if

7:35

I'm another team I just now

7:38

I'm like if I'm the Yankees I mean we

7:40

we not only can we do we need him

7:42

we can't let them have him Yeah, cuz they've

7:44

always been meeting in the LCS and they can

7:46

they keep getting beat That's

7:50

just another that would be another thing just

7:52

wow I can't believe this happened again But

7:55

yeah, he would fit really really well in that

7:57

rotation and they have the bullpen like even

7:59

the end thing like it's just a good fit

8:01

because they have such a Quality bullpen

8:03

to get to that if he were throwing

8:06

the five five plus regularly and they had

8:08

a you know Two-nothing lead they're in a

8:10

good shape Yeah, it'd be

8:12

the kind of lift I think that we just saw

8:14

the Padres get with the addition of Dylan cease in

8:17

terms of taking a good rotation and making It a

8:19

great one, you know, you wrote about that a little

8:21

bit before the athletic today the best rotations in baseball

8:23

I mean, I think having a top five rotation just

8:26

off the cup makes you a playoff

8:28

contender That alone is good enough unless

8:30

your offense is just horrific. You're going

8:32

to be a team that's in contention

8:35

all season long So as

8:37

you went through that process, but there any teams

8:39

that popped a little higher than you expected I

8:41

mean, I know we're talking and thinking about pitching

8:43

all the time on this show But was there

8:45

any any group of pitchers that just by the

8:47

projections were above where you thought they'd be you

8:50

know the Phillies by Fangrass has a second

8:52

best and It's

8:54

just one of those sneaky rotations I think the park covers

8:57

up a lot of things where you're just like, you know

8:59

Like look at their ERAs and like they're not those aren't

9:01

the greatest ERAs They you know, I haven't had great defenses

9:03

behind them in the past too So like, you

9:06

know, they have these high threes ERAs here

9:08

like yeah, they're good But then

9:10

when you kind of look at how many they strike out

9:12

how many they walk and how deep they are and what?

9:14

They've got you're like, oh that that could be one of

9:16

the best rotations in the ball So I think the Phillies

9:18

were big were kind of a surprise there They show up

9:20

like top three if you look by Fangrass When

9:23

I did it by stuff plus like it

9:25

was a little bit more what I expected

9:28

the Mariners were like you know second I

9:30

think and the Astros were like third or

9:32

fourth and The Padres made the list and

9:34

made the top five So, you know the

9:36

stuff plus list I'm so deep in that

9:39

that I'm always working in that like I

9:41

wasn't I wasn't too surprised But the

9:43

Astros gained and the Padres gained when you looked

9:45

at it, but just by stuff plus Because

9:48

you know cease for

9:50

all its flaws Did represent

9:52

a huge stuff upgrade for the back end

9:55

of that Padres rotation? Do you guys

9:57

have a favorite for their number five spot now? I mean they

9:59

got Johnny Brito Randy Vasquez, Matt

10:01

Waldron, Pedro Avila, Robbie

10:03

Snelling, a lot of options now that

10:05

they've made another edition. Anyone

10:07

pop? I want Waldron. You want

10:09

an Uncle Volley? I want

10:12

an Uncle Volley. Just from a, from

10:14

a, yay, we got another one, a

10:16

new guy to check in on and everyone's

10:18

going to have some of the corrosive

10:20

swings and misses and those just

10:23

nailed outings. Yeah, that's

10:25

just fun, I think, but that's just where

10:27

I'm coming from there. Yeah,

10:29

I think that would be fun. I did sit in

10:32

on a Johnny Brito start with my

10:35

eldest and we actually, the Kissspring

10:37

training is so cheap, we got like

10:39

eighth row, ninth row seats behind home

10:41

plate and we were sitting among the

10:43

scouts. My

10:46

mom was laughing that all the scouts were

10:48

wearing the same brand of clothing. Yeah.

10:51

Like tailor-made hats? That's it. I

10:53

think it was... Travis Matthews.

10:56

No, that's the one. It's the Matthews.

10:59

It's a tee, something, tee something Matthews, right? Travis Matthews,

11:01

I think. Travis Matthews, that's what they were wearing. Oh,

11:04

I know. They were Travis Matthews. I think a while ago,

11:06

it used to be like Lulu Lemon was the big thing,

11:08

but I guess Travis Matthews is the big one. So like

11:10

we, like, we had literally like four guys in a row,

11:12

Travis Matthews on the back of their shirt, like right in

11:14

front of us. And I was

11:16

playing with, with my son being like, you know,

11:18

imagine standing in, like what, what, what pitch was

11:20

that? What pitch was that? And the thing that

11:22

really kind of stood out for me was that

11:24

Brito, he did get a little bit

11:27

like nervous against Mike Trout. I

11:30

think he had like a pitch clock violation and the

11:32

guy stole a base on him and he was really

11:34

trying to get Mike Trout out. But the good news

11:36

was he got Mike Trout out twice. I

11:38

saw him have a plan with his sinker

11:40

and I think it was a new cutter against

11:43

lefties. I think his sinker is actually good

11:45

enough that he can do stuff with it

11:47

against lefties, which is a tough thing

11:50

for a lot of sinker ballers. I think it's a really

11:52

good sinker. I think it's good enough to

11:54

get by. I think his sinker and his breaking

11:56

ball are two pitches that are better than

11:58

anything Randy Vasquez has. And

12:01

so my favorite is Johnny burrito for the number

12:03

five there my youngest kept calling

12:05

him Johnny burrito I

12:11

would call myself Johnny burrito acceptable,

12:13

but I mean after after ten

12:15

days in in Phoenix

12:18

I was Eno Taco. So yes You

12:21

were absolutely were I'm with the on burrito

12:23

We talked about the just a major shift

12:25

in park factors leaving Yankee Stadium Going

12:28

to Petco the problems he had at home

12:30

last year with the long ball that gets

12:33

cut down considerably So I think that gives him

12:35

a really nice floor kind of one

12:37

of those guys It's a big winner from the offseason

12:39

that people don't talk a lot about I like him

12:41

as a favorite for that spot as well But they

12:43

have a couple of young prospects. It will probably get

12:45

a chance in that rotation before the end of the

12:47

season Snelling makes the most

12:49

sense. I think of that group. Oh,

12:51

by the way, Snelling has quads, you

12:54

know Like I was I think

12:56

it's after strider. I've been

12:58

like, oh, yeah quads I mean like

13:00

with the with the like What's

13:04

that the kinetic chain right Trevor like kind

13:06

of everything? Comes like up

13:08

out of the ground and like towards your

13:10

shoulder and out to the arms is like

13:12

that's the kinetic chain Yeah, I

13:14

mean like you can have a guy like Chris

13:16

sale Obviously it works, but you know when I

13:18

see a guy now with quads, I'm like I

13:20

notice it And Snelling has

13:22

those like I'm a workhorse quads, you

13:24

know, it's just like I'm a solid dude.

13:27

I can do 180 That's

13:30

funny, but that's what we're that's our

13:32

standard now just like what kind of quads he got

13:36

Anything's easy squat

13:39

just ask him how much he's squatting That's

13:43

a big one the Break news scrolling

13:45

by here from the live hive shout out to James

13:48

Regular listener of the show Robert Stevenson still

13:50

feeling some shoulder discomfort kind of a frustrating

13:53

spring for him so far might leave our

13:55

guy Carlos Estefes even though his pants were

13:57

bothering him the beginning of spring training It

14:00

still may be the closer there if

14:02

that injury lingers for Robert Stevenson. So we'll

14:04

keep tabs on that. But again, shout out

14:06

to the Live High. I love those comments.

14:08

Keep them coming. We'll take some questions at

14:11

the end of the show. Let's

14:13

get to some new faces in new places.

14:15

You know, you've just kind of brought one

14:17

up in passing that you want to talk

14:19

about. Chris Sale, a big addition to the

14:21

Atlanta rotation. And they also extended him too.

14:24

How are things going to be different for Chris

14:26

Sale in Atlanta? Is it just a clean bill

14:28

of health and a fresh start outside of Boston? Or

14:30

is there more to it than that? I think

14:33

one is psychological, which is just like,

14:35

you know, the last three, I think it's

14:38

the last four seasons, he has like 160

14:40

innings and probably

14:42

not the best feeling with like the Boston

14:44

staff and like, you know, just like, I

14:47

think there's, you know, if he was

14:50

honest about it, he would say that it was

14:52

getting to be a slog there, you know, where,

14:54

you know, all these, the questions about innings. I'm

14:56

sure, you know, every time a

14:58

reliever, a journalist is talking to him

15:00

or he goes on a show or something, they're talking about

15:02

his health, you know, it's like, you know, or

15:05

you turn on the local talk radio and like, how many days we're

15:07

going to get out of it? Like, are you going to start starting

15:09

for us? You know, like whatever that was, that was never really a

15:11

Boston point. Crushed it.

15:13

It was more and more just like a talking

15:15

head voice. But

15:18

so I think a fresh psychological start is a

15:20

big deal. You get on a team that has

15:22

aspirations for making the World Series. It's like, you

15:24

know, it's all, it's like a let's, it's

15:26

an LFG moment. You know what I mean? I

15:29

feel like he was probably pretty happy to hear that phone call.

15:32

But another thing that's interesting and we're going to

15:34

get less and less of this over time because we're,

15:36

we have a new schedule that's like more and

15:38

more balanced and you have to face everybody

15:41

else in the league at least once,

15:43

you know, and so, you know, we're

15:45

trying to sort of balance the schedule

15:47

out. We didn't have that for a lot of the

15:49

last four or five years. And so I looked at

15:52

his starts in the last four years. He had 99 starts

15:54

in the last four years. 11

15:57

at the game were against National League opponents.

16:00

And of those 11, only I think

16:02

six were against National League East opponents.

16:05

And so if you are in the National League

16:07

East, you have not seen much Chris Sale. And

16:12

I will point out that no matter what stuff

16:14

Fluzz says, no matter what anybody says, Chris Sale

16:16

has a fairly unique

16:19

set of stuff and pitches

16:21

and arm angles and potty

16:24

type. And I think you

16:26

want to get comfortable with Chris Sale. You want to

16:29

have faced him a lot of times. I

16:31

think the first time, that was Mad Dog.

16:37

Nailed it. Definitely Mad Dog. But yeah,

16:39

so I just think that for the National

16:41

League East batters, it's going to be an

16:43

uncomfortable situation for them this year. They're

16:46

going to be seeing sliders from first base. And

16:49

for the lefties, it's going to be something they haven't seen

16:51

in a long time. And for righties, they're just still going

16:53

to have to see all these elbows

16:55

and all those knees coming at them. So

16:58

I think it'll just be one of those things.

17:00

And from stuff research, we have seen that people

17:03

do get comfortable with shapes over time. So

17:05

people who haven't seen Chris Sale are going to have

17:07

a harder time with them than people who have. What

17:10

do you think about that fit, Trevor? I agree, wholeheartedly.

17:12

I think he fits into that. Also,

17:14

the looks from their rotation. Now

17:17

they got Fried, who is funky in his

17:19

own right. They got Strider,

17:21

who's a little bit more of a classical right-at-you

17:23

guy. So they got all of these different looks.

17:27

And you slot him in there. It's just not

17:29

a... There's

17:32

no day where you're like, okay, here's

17:34

our Joe Random creative player, right? Where

17:39

we're going to see the guy I always use.

17:41

And I know this person, but I always said

17:43

the Dylan G, if you remember. He was very

17:45

straightforward. You

17:50

could see his mechanics on any street corner, but they

17:52

don't have one. So you add him in there. It's

17:56

going to be really tough for a team to get used

17:58

to him. I know

18:00

that from experience to guys talking about him

18:04

like that was like Tory Hunter's big thing was like

18:06

trying to give guys But

18:09

hadn't faced him before like as much information before as possible

18:11

because he was just a unique guy to face You know

18:13

that was in his prime too. So you gotta add that

18:15

in but he's that type of guy He's always gonna be

18:17

like that even when I the stuff kind of gets older

18:19

in his stuff dimensions a little bit He's still gonna be

18:21

funky and so he's still gonna be able to get guys

18:23

out in different ways And he's really smart knows how to

18:25

pitch so it's just a great fit And then like I

18:27

like the I like to take on the Boston.

18:29

There's some baggage Sometimes you just

18:32

need a clean slate. You need to kind

18:34

of not have the stigma that

18:36

you feel like you might have and then You

18:38

know, it's nice to know another team wants you too So

18:40

like it's there's a lot of that and

18:42

he doesn't need to be the ace either

18:44

So like there's a lot of pressure off

18:47

there that just sometimes you need to get

18:49

kind of going again so it's just a

18:51

really great I think situation for him and

18:54

Surprise Braves great move got

18:57

the extension done with Chris sale as well I

18:59

think that's the thing I look at from kind

19:01

of like a fantasy perspective and say hey This

19:03

is a team that makes good decisions. They still

19:06

believe there are a lot of productive years left

19:08

I thought that previously it seemed like around the

19:10

injuries the biggest issue would be occasional lapses in

19:12

command Which probably was the result of rust more

19:15

than anything else So could see that being

19:17

a really good fit one little interesting side

19:19

story there is that they they acquire Chris

19:21

sale and extend him Before max freed. So yeah,

19:24

you know max free has the forearm strain

19:26

Is it because they've seen something where they're

19:28

like we were worried about that? I mean,

19:31

but to say we're worried about max freed

19:33

and then the extent cuz sales like a

19:35

little funny. So Maybe

19:38

maybe they'd done some early engagement with max

19:40

as agent and we're like, oh Like

19:43

those numbers are not we're not we're not close like

19:45

maybe something like that But it is it is kind

19:47

of interesting. I think how's max freed. I'd be a

19:49

little bit like what? I

19:52

think if you're max free and he's 30 years

19:54

old already He's got one really great shot at

19:57

the mega day. You know, if he goes through

20:00

this season completely healthy, he's

20:02

gonna get a ton of money this winter.

20:04

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20:06

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the journey pack today. Another

21:10

guy with funk came up a little earlier in

21:12

the show. Josh Hader gets added to a

21:14

real strength. I mean, Houston's bullpen, at least their

21:16

A bullpen, I think their whole bullpen was already

21:18

good. And they're the team that went out and

21:21

got Josh Hader. And Trevor, if you gave me

21:23

five guesses as to where Hader was going to

21:25

sign, the Astros wouldn't have been any one of

21:27

those five. So how

21:29

do you like this move from Houston's perspective?

21:32

It's Josh Hader, right? So he's, you know,

21:34

I think he's been the most consistently dominant

21:37

closer for the last five years. Easy. And, you

21:39

know, a lot of people are like, well, what about

21:41

Edwin Diaz? Edwin's

21:43

had a couple of years where he wasn't that guy.

21:46

Josh, outside of a one month

21:48

stretch, has been like a one, five

21:50

year stretch. One, five year a guy

21:53

like never giving up any runs and

21:55

never blowing anything. So he's as automatic

21:57

as you could possibly get. And you

21:59

add him to Ryan Presley. Who are

22:01

maybe was second most automatic and then

22:03

you add Brian a breu in the

22:06

7-8 so nasty He

22:08

so let's just put it this way Ryan Presley

22:10

is the record from a scoreless innings

22:13

or appearances in a row for a Reliever

22:15

and I'm pretty sure a breu is like

22:20

So they both have three months plus stretches

22:22

where they've not given up a run and

22:24

then you add that to hater Who's probably

22:27

been even more consistent over the last five

22:29

years than them? So like the games over

22:31

if you're winning going in the 7th inning

22:33

It's just it is and

22:35

I keep saying well, it's gonna stop at some

22:37

point. It just hasn't yet I just don't understand

22:39

I don't I can't see a world

22:41

where it would have to be injuries Like they

22:44

have to not be pitching for some reason and that

22:46

you just don't see one three guys like that Everyone's

22:48

got like some guys have two some teams have two

22:50

and then you got like two guys that are Will

22:53

be like matchups in the seventh or whatever. It

22:56

doesn't matter left right left or right. He's

22:58

coming up Whatever those three guys are gonna

23:00

face Whoever it is coming up

23:02

and it's gonna be every single time they're in

23:04

that position And that is something that you can

23:06

just literally check that box and not to worry

23:08

about it anymore That is a luxury that nobody

23:10

else will have the way they have it so

23:12

that is I mean you can maybe make the

23:14

case for Maybe the Yankees

23:17

or the twins like like not quite the

23:19

same thing not the track record Not there

23:21

yet like Griffin Jax could be there. He

23:24

could be a Brian of radio like put together one

23:26

of those runs He just has none yet. So it's

23:28

like those guys are doing it and doing it now

23:30

so I think he adds he just fits so perfectly

23:32

and The games when the games

23:34

over and you can just count on that now you're starting

23:37

pitchers like only have to throw six innings and You're

23:39

great. I think they're pretty different looks I

23:42

mean haters way out there with the side

23:44

army weird rise ball thing Brian

23:46

of radio is your traditional power

23:49

dude Like just power at you

23:51

like high 90s with a

23:53

with a like a mid like low 90s breaking

23:55

ball Just like it's just ah,

23:57

you know at you and then Ryan Pressley

24:00

comes out there almost like an internet charl-

24:02

I mean not internet, a reliever Charlie Morton.

24:04

Just a guy who throws like an 85 mile

24:06

an hour two plane breaking ball and we'll

24:09

talk a little bit more about curve balls

24:11

in this episode and Ryan Pressley's features highly

24:13

there, but it's just like it's such a tough curve

24:16

ball. It's just like everything

24:18

kind of comes off of that and

24:20

he's got two really good breaking balls. So you've

24:22

got your spin guy, you've got

24:24

your power guy and then you've got your

24:26

funk guy and the funk guy, oh well

24:29

he also throws 95, 96. So like yeah

24:31

he touches he touches 100 even. It's

24:33

amazing to be able to just end the

24:36

game maybe even at the sixth inning. Let

24:38

me get Rafael Montero there too. He's really

24:40

good. He'd be probably an eighth inning guy

24:42

in a lot of other bullpen. So really

24:44

nice addition of course with Hader joining the

24:46

fray in Houston. I'll throw my first name

24:48

out there. I'm gonna go a little deeper. Not

24:50

a surprise being a Brewers guy, but

24:53

DL Hall like they're gonna use him as a

24:55

starter. You can tell by how he's being stretched

24:57

out this spring. They also need him

24:59

to be a starter this year because their

25:02

rotation is a bit of a mess. They're

25:04

gonna cobble it together, maybe do some raise

25:06

like stuff. Makes sense with Matt Arnold having

25:08

originally come from there when he was the

25:10

assistant GM a few years ago. But DL

25:13

Hall has a deep

25:15

arsenal with multiple plus pitches. It's

25:18

just a question of command and we were seeing

25:20

it just for a little while at AAA last

25:22

year. He was working as a starter, had

25:24

a really nice stretch. They needed

25:26

him in the bullpen. They decided to make the

25:29

move there instead. Am

25:31

I out of my mind for

25:33

thinking that DL Hall could actually

25:35

be a really good starter already

25:38

in year one with Milwaukee? Not necessarily

25:40

be a guy that fully replaces Corbin

25:42

Burns or Brandon Woodruff or anything

25:45

like that, but could he actually be more

25:47

of a stabilizing presence for them

25:49

than people are giving him

25:51

credit for? I'm a fan. One of

25:54

the reasons that I'm a fan is that I

25:56

think that once you get to the major leagues,

25:58

there is an opportunity at the end of the season. actually to cut your

26:01

walk rate a little bit. And that's because you're

26:03

working with the best framer in your organization, probably.

26:05

Like I doubt, there's not many organizations that

26:07

have a better framer in AAA or AA

26:10

than they have in the big leagues. So

26:12

you're working with the best framer, you're working

26:14

with your best coaches, your best sort of

26:16

game prep coaches. Maybe you were game prepping

26:18

pretty well in the minors, there's gonna be

26:20

a little step up. And then you're working,

26:22

like all of the analysis, the

26:25

R&D, everything is just a little bit crisper on the

26:27

major league level because they're just, that's where the focus

26:29

is. That's where you need to win games. You're

26:33

gonna stop with some developmental stuff too. Like

26:35

let's say you have one pitch, you really can't

26:37

command that well, but then in AA and AAA,

26:39

they're like, yeah, yeah, keep throwing that thing until

26:41

you get a good feel for it. Then you

26:43

get the big leagues, nah, we gotta win today.

26:45

Sorry, you're not throwing that change up very much.

26:47

You know, like it's, you just can't command it.

26:50

So there's all these sort of like winnowing down

26:52

things that happen when you get to the major

26:54

leagues that can actually help a walk rate. And

26:56

I think, you know, he's got enough stuff where

26:58

he could actually stop throwing one of those pitches

27:00

if he can't command it and still be a

27:02

good pitcher. If he was

27:04

just a two pitch pitcher and like couldn't

27:06

command either of them, I might be

27:08

more, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen here.

27:11

But if he has pitches where he could lose one

27:13

and still be good. You nailed it, by the way.

27:15

That is something that is very real. And

27:17

I actually did it too. I had a much higher walk rate

27:19

in the minors than I did in the big leagues. And

27:22

that is because there's just a lot of

27:25

like your developmental, you're doing developmental stuff. You're

27:27

kind of like failing, I don't wanna say

27:29

on purpose, but like the organization doesn't mind

27:31

as much too. So you're more willing to

27:34

go show how nasty you are to get

27:36

to the big leagues and

27:38

Take shots like that. And You also like the incentive

27:40

to like be really dominant. Like You're taking more shots

27:42

to get, and guys are like swinging at more bad

27:45

pitches. And The umpires are worse. And The umpires are

27:47

worse. So Like you add all those things in. Like

27:49

You can get swings and stuff. You're not gonna get

27:51

swings in the big leagues. It Forces you to kind

27:53

of remove that from the back of your head. Like

27:56

This is okay if I throw this here. You Get

27:58

a little, you feel a little bit better. About

28:00

throwing the ball in the box and then

28:02

also you're like it's the big leagues and

28:04

to give a more hits probably organ does

28:06

not gonna be more dominant. fear it's an

28:08

acceptance thing and confidences as East look at

28:10

it differently and that has or they especially

28:12

for me where you know I'm I'm very

28:14

much in my head at all times as

28:17

you can tell the so like it is

28:19

made a made it like simpler if anything

28:21

so you could commit to not to like

28:23

throwing the ball over the plate more often

28:25

and and East is disgusting I see him

28:27

on our on our stuff plus top with

28:29

already to. Up there and he

28:31

hasn't really. Happened so like

28:33

it's it's it's can be really fun to

28:36

watch and and I think they got somebody

28:38

who's potentially a big factor in for success

28:40

this year. And. They may have to

28:42

be careful with how they manage innings maybe to

28:44

kind of gotta get skipped a couple a times

28:47

are on the all star break if they're contending

28:49

than of course Bill Bill do some things to

28:51

make sure he's available later in the year so

28:53

the shape of the season might be a little

28:55

bit different If everything's going well for it is

28:58

our dirt. It was two hundred like a few

29:00

times. We are not necessarily last year because there

29:02

were some injury but if you look back like

29:04

he's gonna like ninety five. Yeah. You

29:06

probably thing in like a one thirty one Forty years of only.

29:09

Twenty Five. They'll probably push him a little harder

29:11

than it was like Twenty two. That's kind of

29:13

a factor in that the team sort of making

29:15

these things up as they go along. At least.

29:18

Really? Feels like that based on the conversations

29:20

eve how it's front office people is it

29:22

still seems like they're at a seems about

29:24

right. Just. Gonna make a chilly instead

29:26

of having a science to something that should probably

29:28

last comedy about Paul scenes in particular and was

29:30

like you know do would you think about this

29:32

in terms of like innings or you've liked well

29:34

we just track the things that are things and

29:37

way to the do the work load and we

29:39

say you mean I got this and drops them

29:41

way that we take mouse and he's like no

29:43

you have to talk about things and innings on

29:45

some level because you have to plan your season,

29:47

the antibiotics where is he gonna be at what

29:49

time and like you know and and if we

29:51

have aspirations for making the post season how many

29:53

innings do we keep in the. Bag. You.

29:56

Know in for October, you know and how

29:58

do we do that? How do we may?

30:00

There's the zebra season self to some extent.

30:02

You know there's a number for Paul schemes

30:05

hanging around that front office somewhere. They decided

30:07

what it is. ah if they may push

30:09

past that if hey they're making a powerplay

30:11

awesome and he looks good. But they still

30:13

talk about things in this weirdest number which

30:16

is innings at Ces of weird number to

30:18

think it is. You think about it because

30:20

it's like innings are so different. There's like

30:22

the inning where you had you know, ten

30:24

guys on and gave a bunch of runs.

30:27

our those like the any where you through

30:29

four pitches. Better hadn't thought he got out

30:31

of the getting like they're the same thing. we're

30:33

just. Those. Readings. At.

30:35

That. South, but so they

30:37

still have some. It's a little bit retrograde, but

30:39

they're still some might you know. We've got a

30:41

number of innings and are had for the all.

30:44

We're. Going to manage him around that and help

30:46

out did leave a couple couple starts in

30:48

the in the holster in case of make

30:50

posts. It. Was. Good to another one.

30:52

I actually like his move when the Mariners

30:55

made it because we talked about their second

30:57

be situation in described it as weird before

30:59

they paid this trade. Trevor you like Jorge

31:01

Polanco going to Seattle? Why do you like

31:04

that fit so much. Be. Reasons:

31:06

Ah, I know where a very well that's

31:08

that's one. I have a little bit of

31:10

a inside knowledge there. I know what type

31:13

of player isn't like how he goes about

31:15

his work Second base is just spin an

31:17

enigma for the Mariners over last few years.

31:19

Like there's like was can we get somebody

31:22

to light. The. Of since. Basically since

31:24

Can Alaska is like I've never gone

31:26

through Guys am Fraser yeah on the

31:28

road take us through and and that

31:30

those a pretty much every one of

31:32

those guys been tried another position at

31:34

some point. So ah so Jorge. He

31:36

He is very much a i think

31:38

middle the road type of defender. but

31:40

they have an elite defender at short

31:42

so like I think that the work

31:44

together I don't think they necessarily need

31:46

ah you know at a gold glove

31:48

it at second but he has a

31:50

career Oh Ps. plus of one fifteen

31:52

which. is very very good very solid

31:54

i would see even say and twenty

31:57

nineteen he was probably our best all

31:59

around hitter ah that twin team that hit

32:01

307 homers, I don't think that a lot of

32:03

people think of him when they think of that

32:05

team. He's a very good natural hitter, yes his

32:07

swing and miss has been up a little bit

32:09

more recently, but he's also a switch hitter. So

32:11

like one thing that the Mariners did and

32:13

I don't think that I talked to a

32:15

lot of Mariners fans these days because I'm surrounded

32:17

by them and what thing

32:19

they don't realize because like that's the same team

32:22

again. I'm like it actually

32:24

isn't at all. You have a

32:26

lot more versatility in terms of

32:28

righty lefty, platoons, switch hitters, the

32:31

way to kind of mix up your lineup in order

32:33

to get it like very very off and on off

32:35

and on. So matching up with the bullpen is very

32:37

hard to do now, like things that you couldn't do

32:39

before. You were like Suarez and then Hernandez back to

32:41

back, you know, putting your best righty strike them both out.

32:44

Right, big strike out righties right in a row. Yeah

32:46

they might hit a homer, but like if it's you

32:48

know if they're facing your best guy, if a Bray

32:50

who's going in there, they're not going to take him

32:53

deep. So or even maybe even

32:55

touch it. So he's going to strike them out

32:57

probably and that's just not the case anymore

32:59

and I think that Julio is going to be helped by

33:01

Palaupo because I think he's going to hit so

33:03

either before or after him most

33:06

often. I think that that's going to

33:08

even open up more pitches for him to it because

33:10

he's just he's more of a contact guy than those

33:12

other two guys work too. So I just think he

33:14

just generally makes this team better in so many different

33:16

ways, but again health has been a

33:18

concern last couple years. It's been lower

33:21

extremity stuff a little bit so he's you know

33:23

it's kind of hard to tell with those things,

33:25

but if he can stay healthy and he's in

33:27

that lineup and even if he's just like the

33:29

basic version of himself, he's going to make that

33:31

team like a lot better. He's changed over

33:33

time. He's become this guy that gets to a

33:35

lot more power. He used to be a good

33:37

hit tool with kind of ample power, a little

33:39

bit of speed, but double-digit barrel rates,

33:41

three straight seasons. I mean the k-rate going up

33:44

might be a little bit of function of how

33:46

he's approaching hitting now, but it's a trade-off that

33:48

you'll make. He's turned himself into a guy that

33:50

can hit 25 or 30 homers,

33:52

which is not something I would have thought about him at

33:54

the beginning of his career. You guys

33:56

both mentioned his hit tool ability and

33:59

there's been something... that's been kind of

34:01

a common thread for Mariners acquisitions I think

34:03

has been guys who don't strike out too

34:05

much. Teosker aside they've had a

34:07

lot of guys that they brought in there

34:09

that can make contact and

34:11

that is a bit of a segue

34:14

to my guy who left Seattle. One

34:16

of the reasons I want to bring up the the

34:19

park factor there, Seattle increases

34:21

strikeouts by more than almost any

34:23

other park in baseball. I

34:25

don't know exactly why but Teosker's talked about

34:27

in terms of not being able to see

34:29

the ball. You know getting

34:32

guys with good hit tools and bringing them

34:34

Seattle maybe they think you are more likely

34:36

to be able to handle this

34:38

park. You know like you are gonna put

34:41

some balls in play and whatever

34:43

the strikeout park factor whatever it is about our

34:45

park that increases strikeouts like you're gonna be able

34:47

to handle it because you have a good natural

34:49

hit tool. Teosker I think one of

34:51

the reasons I'm kind of excited about him in LA

34:53

is just like also it's a little bit like the

34:55

sale thing where like it's no

34:57

longer on him you know he might be

34:59

hitting six or whatever like you know it's

35:01

like it's it's just a superstar lineup they're

35:03

just like hey do you do your thing

35:06

hit us a homer every two games three

35:08

games like you know we're you know that's

35:10

all we're asking out of you but there's

35:12

this quiet thing about him which is he

35:14

just left the place that augments strikeouts by

35:16

you know second most of the big leagues

35:18

to a place that's further down that list

35:20

I think Dodger Stadium is like sixth or

35:22

seventh on on that list so you

35:26

know he could just with this settling

35:28

in factor with a you know like I'm

35:30

not one of the main guys you

35:33

know and then also think about other teams preparing for

35:35

the Dodgers because you're gonna be like what do you

35:37

do about Otani what do you do about that what

35:39

do you do by Freeman and you're gonna and like

35:41

if you're in the pitcher meeting like you're the starter

35:43

with the catcher and you're in the pitcher meeting you're

35:45

gonna spend a lot of time on a bet and

35:47

Otani and Freeman you know because you're gonna be like

35:49

how what are we doing the first that back what

35:51

are you the second at bat they're gonna be thinking

35:53

about all of it when you get to task or

35:55

just be like okay he doesn't like this he doesn't

35:57

like this good enough let's go yeah

36:00

Like you only have limited time to talk

36:02

about these guys. So, you know, there's some

36:04

point where you make a lineup so deep

36:06

that like the last guy, you're

36:08

just like, hey, slider's in the dirt and, you

36:11

know, and fastballs up high. Let's go.

36:15

That happens, like the extra focus on

36:17

the top hitters in a loaded lineup like that,

36:19

where the kind of the bottom half guys, even

36:22

though they're still really good and dangerous too, as

36:24

prepared for them as you are for the big

36:26

hitters. The best way to kind of approach a

36:28

team is you can't pick the entire team as

36:30

guys you don't want to beat you because then

36:32

now you're stressed. Just walking everybody or whatever and

36:34

you're stressed all the time. Yeah, yeah. That's

36:38

when you see guys like not getting ahead

36:40

at all and then it doesn't matter, right?

36:42

So, you have to sometimes say, we're okay

36:44

if Tia has turned out as Bs. It's

36:46

almost like the basketball thing. It's like, okay,

36:49

if that can I hit a bunch of threes

36:51

because we covered everybody else well, then okay. That's

36:54

them literally out playing us. We're getting outplayed

36:56

at this point. And that's kind of, but

36:58

we want to create an ecosystem or we

37:00

want to create an atmosphere or a situation

37:02

where they have to do that to be

37:04

this. And that's your best chance, especially if

37:06

you are a little bit less, like

37:08

you have less manpower than they do. Like you're

37:11

on paper, not as good of a team because

37:13

there are super teams like that. But,

37:15

and you got to like, so sometimes the ball's

37:17

going to be in their court, the opponents ended.

37:20

So it's like, that's what happens. And that's the

37:22

type of team where you're like, dude, and then

37:24

as a starter, it's just exhausting. If

37:26

you, if you have more than three guys

37:28

that, that you don't want to beat you,

37:30

if there's more than three, it's just there,

37:32

it's too much, too much to remember.

37:34

And it's just too much. You're giving them too much

37:37

credit at that point, because at the end of the

37:39

day, pitching does have the advantage and you can

37:41

get everyone out the whole time. Like it is possible

37:43

that you could be dialed in. If you're at

37:45

your best, you will probably beat the

37:47

hitters almost every single time. If you are

37:49

absolutely dialed in, if you're in the zone, the pitcher all

37:51

pretty much always wins. So you have to kind of lean

37:53

on that. It's just harder to do when the, when

37:56

the team's that deep. Crank one more

37:58

name out there. name

38:00

to give Eno a third. Oh.

38:02

His submission to the rundown I think is

38:04

more interesting than mine and I will get

38:06

my guy in on a future episode. Don't

38:09

worry. I got the rundown. I can control

38:11

the rundown. I can make it happen. I'm

38:13

gonna sneak in another name along with this

38:15

name. No. No you will not. No. Like

38:18

Joey Ortiz in Milwaukee, Mike Soroka

38:20

is joining a situation where there's

38:22

all the opportunity where that might

38:24

not have been before. And so

38:27

just one of the things like

38:29

we talk about this in fantasy all the

38:31

time. So the fantasy listeners are like, you know,

38:33

shaking, you know, nodding along. Opportunity

38:35

is often as important as quality.

38:38

I think the A's know this more than anybody. They're

38:40

like, hey, we have opportunity. Anybody

38:44

who's like, you know, between AAA and the majors, come

38:46

on over, check us out. We'll give you

38:48

a year or two and then, and

38:51

then we'll see. So Joey

38:53

Ortiz in Milwaukee now has

38:55

a free opening, free open

38:57

situation and Mike Soroka. The

38:59

nice thing about Mike Soroka

39:01

on top of all this

39:03

is that while he's

39:06

been rehabbing, he's been changing his,

39:09

his pitch shapes. He's been changing what he's

39:11

doing. He's, he's picked up a force

39:13

ember. He's trying to, to, to really emphasize

39:15

the force ember. He was a thinker guy

39:17

before. So I think there's, I'm

39:20

flying a little bit blind because I don't have stack cast

39:22

on him. I don't have any of this yet. I just

39:24

know that that's what he's been trying to do, but

39:26

the numbers are pretty good in the spring

39:28

and the opportunity is there for him. So,

39:31

you know, he's not going to have to

39:33

go back down in the minor leagues. The

39:35

White Sox need him to be a major league starter for

39:37

him. So it's just like, Hey, here you

39:40

go. You got, you got a whole season to show

39:42

us what you got. It's 30 starts

39:44

if he's healthy enough for them. That's a clear, clear

39:46

opportunity to brave. He'd be up and down. I mean,

39:48

maybe we try some Shobber and stem. Maybe try this

39:50

guy. I don't know. Like, I don't know. Go back

39:52

down and work on it. You know, how

39:55

is thought when Soroka first broke in that

39:57

he had kind of this veteran arsenal and

39:59

approach. He didn't have your

40:01

typical prospect over the top

40:03

amazing stuff, but he seemed like he really

40:05

had a plan and he executed it really

40:08

well. And then I saw an interview, I

40:10

think during one of the extended absences,

40:12

he was in the booth for a game. He

40:14

sounded way more polished than a

40:16

guy in his early 20s. Like it just, I

40:19

don't know, I have a lot of confidence

40:21

in him because even without excellent stuff in

40:24

the past, he was able to get some

40:26

great results. It seems like he's finally healthy

40:28

again. And for guys that have multiple years

40:31

lost to injury, I think just having a full

40:33

runway to go into a season can make all

40:35

the difference in the world to get back on

40:38

track. No baggage, no baggage with

40:40

the white socks, which is solid.

40:42

He's not trying to regain his early glory

40:44

either, which is part of it, is

40:47

part of it. So yeah, clean slate. Again, it's one

40:49

of those situations. I bet you one of his goals,

40:51

like if he has a personal goal, it's like 25

40:53

starts, you know, something really simple. It's not

40:56

even like, you know, dominate or whatever. Let

40:58

me just, let me just have a year

41:00

in the marriage. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, exactly.

41:04

Our featured a pitch deep dive today is

41:07

the curve ball. And we're going to look

41:09

first at the stuff plus charts, because I think

41:11

these are really helpful. We

41:14

have here we have first

41:16

horizontal versus vertical movement on

41:18

curve balls. You know, for both of

41:20

these, you have Ryan Presley again, as the, if you

41:22

can see the dot, the black dot on the screen,

41:24

Ryan Presley is the example. For both of these charts.

41:27

And for anybody who's not looking at this, what's interesting

41:29

about this is that there's red in a lot of

41:31

different places. There's a lot of different ways to have

41:33

a good curve ball. You can have

41:35

a good curve ball. That's a two planer like

41:37

Ryan Presley. That's the bottom right hand of this,

41:39

of this graph. You can have a one planer.

41:41

That's basically, I think a sweeper at the top.

41:44

You'll see some big red at the top that

41:46

where it doesn't have drop, but it has big

41:48

sideways. I think those are probably some unclassified

41:50

sweepers or, or sweeper like pitches,

41:52

Chas, Rowie and Frisbees. And

41:54

then you have a place over

41:57

on the left side. That's also

41:59

red. where it's sort

42:01

of a one plane downer. You know, we have

42:03

a nickname for that, the death ball. It's basically

42:05

a pitch that just goes down and

42:08

there's lots of different ways to get there. We'll

42:10

talk about it, but these are, you know, three

42:12

or four different ways to have a good curve

42:14

ball. And I think it all depends on your

42:16

slot, what you're comfortable doing, if you can kind

42:18

of, you know, tweak that so that it's a

42:21

little bit surprising in terms of movement. There's a

42:23

lot of different things going on here, but you

42:25

know, other graphs were cleaner than this. This is

42:27

one of those graphs where it's like, pick

42:30

your pathway forward. What

42:33

matches your fastball? What matches your

42:35

mechanics best? Yeah, and I

42:37

think that was something that kind of stood out

42:39

to me when we were talking a little earlier

42:41

in the week, just about the shape of your

42:43

curve ball. It needs to match everything else really

42:45

well, except what I remember a lot in scouting

42:47

reports, at least like five plus years ago, is

42:50

you'd see Slurv kind of thrown out there. And

42:52

it always felt like it had a negative connotation

42:55

and it doesn't seem like it's always

42:57

bad. Kind of seems like it depends on

42:59

what your other stuff looks like. And then

43:01

there's also the sort of question of, when

43:04

does something stop being a curve

43:06

ball and become a slider? And does that

43:08

line actually matter as much as people think

43:10

it does? I don't think

43:13

it matters as much as people think it

43:15

does because we also talked a lot about

43:17

how like, sometimes things are classified on Savon

43:20

or wherever you're gonna find them based on like what

43:22

the guy calls it. That's just the reason

43:24

they call it that is something

43:26

in their brain that, it's

43:29

attached to a cue or something. So like,

43:31

if they think it's a curve ball, they're

43:33

envisioning a bigger break or something because they

43:35

grew up thinking that that's what a curve

43:37

ball was. But in reality, what they're throwing

43:39

is like some, like a death

43:42

ball that's a slider spin that's kind of

43:44

loose and goes down but it looks like

43:46

it's gonna go left. Like there's all these,

43:48

it's weird, curve balls is probably the widest

43:50

range of differences that you can get. It

43:52

used to be all based on V-Lo. So if you threw like

43:54

86, it's not a curve ball because it's too hard. That's

43:57

not how it is anymore. It's weird.

44:00

Like Knuckle Curb and and we get

44:02

twelve Six twelve six which is like

44:04

the death ball but slower so like

44:06

the ranges that these things can be

44:08

an are so. Wide.

44:10

And they're like it's is arbitrary. A lot A

44:12

lot of it's arbitrary so if you hear a

44:14

guy like a player talking about it it makes

44:17

it even more confusing. So it's it's hard to

44:19

talk about. Kind of like why people are frustrated

44:21

with sweeper been so much is because it's hard

44:23

to tell. Well first of all lot of people

44:25

media people sometimes use it wrong which does not

44:28

help but it's more of a a guy trying

44:30

to do if a guy's designing a pitcher trying

44:32

to make a bit better which everyone is like.

44:34

Everyone has fragment added a know how pissed, everyone

44:36

knows how hard or they throw something, how much

44:39

it moves and how. Fast it spends. like everyone

44:41

knows that valor pitches now and so when you're

44:43

tweaking things making a little bit different though, you've

44:45

you've always sort of slider and you're making something

44:48

a little bit slow and it's breaking a little

44:50

bit differently. You might call it a curveball because

44:52

it's not your slider anymore. It's a different bits

44:54

than you had before you try to make that

44:56

distinction, but it's still just like a different type

44:59

of slider. Technically if you

45:01

compare to other people so that's not gonna

45:03

go away, that's always going to be there.

45:05

I think it would is with waste time.

45:07

We're trying to make those distinctions, but you're

45:09

trying to get the of fact it just

45:11

think about the effects of those of those

45:13

types of bitches. Like a curve ball gets

45:15

a certain type of or you're trying to

45:17

get a certain type of swinger An outcome

45:19

because you're trying to get it and move

45:22

a certain different way and as same thing

45:24

with a slider and same thing with any

45:26

other pets. And if you think in terms

45:28

of that, it's a little bit easier to

45:30

follow. Along with like like you mentioned before,

45:32

like some of those might be miss class

45:34

like sweepers they probably are. or they would

45:36

call it a sweeping curves ten years back

45:38

out because of the below it's seventy miles.

45:41

Our sorts of her bought for the ride

45:43

is that it's it's gonna be that can

45:45

be around and it's gonna get even more

45:47

probably nuanced out. paid more attention if you

45:49

can learn kind of ranges of movements and

45:51

how they're kind of associate with things. you

45:53

have a greater understanding and says make guesses

45:56

based on and it doesn't really matter what

45:58

guys are calling it anymore, just. You

46:00

know, You. Kind of know what they

46:02

mean. If you can get a general understanding of

46:04

at Inglewood it it's it. Makes it a lot.

46:07

Easier. To navigate and snatches abusing.

46:09

There's. Like an intent component. They're almost yeah, as

46:12

live in tennis. Oh shit. You'll never know.

46:14

That is less italia. So. If you're calling

46:16

a game called a breaking ball for know. thou.

46:18

That clover always told me that as

46:20

high as like what is it clover

46:22

What a dollar him on man he

46:24

sees I get the breaking ball. He's

46:26

five variations of every single breaking by

46:28

through which everything broke. So it's like

46:30

in is beneath your fifteen pages Yeah.

46:34

And a lot of started as think

46:36

ballots. ah so they they are tits

46:38

or that's the pitches that we've picked

46:40

today. I think distributor like showed this

46:42

perfectly. we're talking about which is we

46:44

have three different pitches that are all

46:46

quote unquote Curve balls are they are.

46:48

All do it in different ways

46:50

and they're all call different things

46:53

and savant. So here is the

46:55

power curve from Kimbrell. Yeah.

46:57

Else though, that and look

46:59

at South Eighty Six. So

47:01

glad had to fly Movement

47:03

I think more movement than

47:05

a slider. You. Know that's like

47:08

that's that's that's got a lot of movement

47:10

that's classified a novel. Her Because that's because

47:12

that's how he throws. Down. Which

47:14

is a little bit weird because we don't

47:16

classify all our pitches based on sound like

47:18

the grip of them but knuckle curve. We

47:20

decided it matters that they're that they use

47:22

the knuckle A One thing that I will

47:25

say to anybody who has kids or his

47:27

training people I did a deep dive on

47:29

the Naco curve when I found was. a

47:32

there were harder i figured and a curve

47:34

allows you to just kind of throw it

47:36

harder com is a little bit less manipulations

47:39

ah aj burnett call it the f u

47:41

ball as if he actually hold at a

47:43

certain way you see your flicking people off

47:45

and he also said you also just throw

47:47

the f adamant yeah that's where i started

47:49

with my kid ah because i liked that

47:52

it was gonna more fast bali more just

47:54

like throw it throw it hard but what

47:56

like when you start advanced training is in

47:58

again power or it is like 9, 10,

48:01

11, or you're getting up to like high school and

48:03

stuff. If you've got a low slot kid, knuckle

48:06

curves can allow them to get more of a 12

48:08

to 6 shape. So

48:10

Aaron Nola, we didn't get Aaron Nola video on

48:12

this one, but Aaron Nola has a little bit

48:14

more of a 12 to 6 shape than you'd

48:16

expect because he's kind of a two-thirds guy. And

48:19

so that's good because you're playing with

48:21

expectations. You see the two-thirds, you think

48:24

this is gonna be two-plane slurvy and

48:26

then he kind of is a little

48:28

bit more over the top because holding

48:31

it in that knuckle allows the ball

48:33

to sort of by removing this index

48:35

finger like you do in a knuckle, you kind of

48:37

spike it, you know, you get allowing

48:40

that ball to get over easier. Like

48:42

it can spin

48:44

like vertically as opposed to if you're

48:46

using two fingers, you got two points

48:49

of pressure on the ball and you kind of get

48:51

a little bit more two-plane movement. So

48:53

the knuckle curve allows you to get one-plane

48:56

movement. We got another one here. This

48:59

is the Pete Fairbanks. This

49:01

is called a slider. That's the

49:03

death ball. I think that's the death ball. And

49:07

Joe Ryan is throwing this now. And

49:10

the way that I've heard that Joe Ryan

49:13

is achieving this movement is by

49:15

spike gripping his slider. So

49:19

he's taking a hard gyro slider and he's

49:21

doing a spike grip on it and that's

49:23

giving it, it's like the

49:26

gyro slider doesn't have a

49:28

lot of sideways movement. It's kind of like a, it's called

49:30

a bullet slider. We talked about it on the last episode,

49:32

but if you spike it now you're giving it a little

49:34

bit of like this, the 12 to 6. So

49:37

that's why you get this like one plane

49:40

and that one's a great pitch I think

49:42

for people who have rising fastballs who are

49:44

very vertical. You know,

49:46

Shane Bieber was just telling me that he was

49:48

getting too horizontal on his curve ball and and

49:52

hitters could see it because he

49:54

was such a vertical pitcher that here's the,

49:56

oh, here's this one pitcher's coming at me.

49:58

Okay, you know I'm

50:01

gonna give you take on that or whatever it is,

50:03

you know, I'm looking for that or I'm looking to

50:05

not swing on that, you know And

50:08

so the death ball can be really good for

50:10

these vertical pitchers and then just do the last

50:12

video The last

50:14

video is this is the Charlie

50:17

Morton Ryan Presley You

50:19

know huge big two-plane Curveball,

50:22

I think that's a really good one for if you want

50:24

to pitch to your 43, you know I

50:27

don't know this it's just like it's just really hard

50:29

for everybody Adam Wainwright had a

50:31

similar pitch, you know, it's just like a huge

50:33

big old curveball that people

50:36

pound into the ground and they

50:38

just can't really don't usually have a great

50:40

swing that's going to like hit that for

50:42

power, you know, I Kept looking at

50:44

that death ball and thinking it gives me some

50:46

gyro slider vibes with a little more Yes, I

50:48

think it's you know That's probably why I called

50:50

it a slider because it's probably a gyro slider

50:52

with like a slight grip or something I

50:55

noticed on the video I replayed it again because I thought

50:57

I saw something funky You could tell his hand is gripping

50:59

the ball in an unusual way. I don't part of the

51:01

camera angle I'll throw it one more time. You can kind

51:03

of see watch his hand Just

51:06

it's like really up for the top. It's

51:08

hard to see it without slowing it down But I don't

51:10

know I just I saw a gyro

51:12

is what I saw or something very similar to a gyro

51:15

That is how it spins. It's weird to

51:17

add the hitter to they see like classic

51:19

slider spin and It's

51:21

sometimes the spins a little bit looser like we

51:23

talked about last week Which then gives it a

51:26

little bit more depth and a little bit less

51:28

horizontal than you're expecting So and then gravity takes

51:30

it so it's the exact opposite of your ride

51:32

So you're right I think a guy that did

51:34

this for really really well before we knew about

51:37

a moment was Brad Lidge Brad

51:39

Lidge threw a death ball the whole time because

51:41

he had the depth on a slider that no

51:43

one else really had we were like 87

51:45

it was really hard to hard one Yeah,

51:49

when he was throwing really hard But even then later when he

51:51

was like, you know, the below drops like 91 92 and later

51:53

in his career And he was

51:55

battling injuries. It was like 80 you saw that

51:57

depth like oh, he had a lot of

51:59

depth like curveball depth, but it didn't still

52:01

didn't go horizontally. I'm not exact, I wasn't exactly

52:03

like that when I changed from my curveball to

52:05

my slider, but that was one thing they saw

52:07

was the amount of depth I had on a

52:10

slider because that's what I was doing. I was

52:12

throwing like a kind of a looser spinning gyro

52:14

that that had had more depth and it was

52:16

seven, eight miles an hour harder than my curveball

52:19

was. So I was like getting not

52:21

quite as much depth, but close

52:24

a lot harder. Was it mechanically similar

52:26

or was it very different? Do your

52:28

curveball to your slider? It was mechanically

52:31

very similar. Yeah, the grips were completely different,

52:33

but like in terms of how I was

52:35

approaching throwing it and arm slot and everything,

52:37

it was even closer to my to my

52:39

fastball. And so there was no pop. It

52:41

was just a better, a better

52:43

tunneling example before I knew what tunneling was.

52:46

This is like 20, I don't

52:48

know, 16 when I made that. You were somewhere

52:50

between the gyro, the gyro slider and the and

52:52

the depth ball. I mean, you had you had

52:54

some depth on it. I was like trying

52:56

to throw the gyro like I thought that's what I

52:58

was doing, but we didn't really know what was happening.

53:01

And so it had more depth than they expected. Exactly.

53:03

Josh Caulk was the head of analytics at the time.

53:05

He was like, you're doing something that I think a

53:07

lot of people are going to want to do. You're

53:09

doing something that's really unique. So he was really excited.

53:13

They're going to throw it like

53:15

he was way more excited than ever saw

53:17

him and fired Mia. So then I just,

53:20

it literally took me one day. All right.

53:22

I don't, I don't throw that.

53:24

I throw this now. Well, here's

53:26

the relationship just between velocity and drop

53:29

and I mean, harder, generally

53:31

better, but not always better. Right. I

53:33

mean, I look at this and I

53:35

see harder is better. I mean, mostly

53:37

there's some blue spots over there, but

53:39

the fact that the reddest spots on

53:42

this, on this graph are mostly, you

53:44

know, one of the ways that it's

53:46

put in, you know, the halls of

53:48

driveline and tread and places is it's

53:50

really hard to throw an 86 mile

53:52

an hour slider. That's bad. I mean,

53:55

if you just look at that, you know, that

53:57

line there, the black one is Presley at 82.

54:00

The next line is 84 and

54:02

the next line is 86 if you go up and down

54:04

86 there's one blue Spot in

54:06

the graph and I wonder who that is

54:09

Strolling around in there, but it doesn't have much depth So

54:12

yeah, if you can get any sort of depth on it if you

54:14

can get any anywhere under zero and

54:16

over 85 It's

54:18

a it's a good breaking ball I like these

54:20

graphics that you you turn out and they remind me

54:23

of that old game cubit Because

54:25

of the shapes we got to

54:27

get a little cubit just jumping around And

54:29

as a picture like you know This is

54:31

the the core use of stuff is not

54:33

so much evaluative although we use it that

54:35

way. It's often for development

54:38

So you can see where your slider is and

54:40

you can see well What's the

54:42

easiest way for me to get off of blue and on red?

54:45

Can I get a little more horizontal and get over to that

54:47

red one or is it easier for me to get a little

54:49

more? Drop and get on that red moon There was

54:51

one really interesting thing about a graph you want to throw

54:53

it up one more time but

54:55

the the a good rule

54:57

of thumb for the for the listeners and watchers

54:59

at home is The idea of

55:01

a zero zero so if you just go

55:03

to zero on the left here and look

55:05

across There's blue and then there's red then

55:08

there's blue again So that red is like

55:10

78 miles an hour and the blue is that 186

55:12

so that a zero zero is Commonly

55:16

referred to as like that's where the dead zone

55:18

is like that's the overlap for pretty much every

55:20

pitch every breaking ball anyway And so

55:22

the harder Like that puts

55:24

it right in where a hitter sees the V

55:26

low and makes the distinction and it's moving kind

55:28

of what they're predicting But if it's if it's

55:31

not moving that much and it's slower It's weird

55:33

and they're swinging under it But if it's harder

55:35

and moving more than it's weird and

55:37

they're swinging over it So like zero

55:39

zero is kind of the dead zone for

55:41

breaking ball Yeah, generally if you think

55:43

like zero zero is not quite what you're looking for

55:46

So you either need it to be slower than they're

55:48

thinking it That's when below matters the more like a

55:50

frisbee or like yeah something you wouldn't spin so they're

55:52

like Oh, that's gonna break a lot and it doesn't

55:54

break at all. That was that's like the

55:56

dice K like And

55:58

they're just under it. It's weird It

56:00

leaves your Hernandez had a weird thing that like it

56:03

went like 78 and it moved like

56:05

a cutter and it was like What

56:08

happening? Like they'll come in hitters

56:10

will literally come and be like, what is that? I

56:14

don't know. And then you've got them at that point you got him there

56:18

That's usually a question hitters don't like to ask

56:20

Someone goes in saying what was that everyone else

56:23

in the lineups like great. Here we go Yeah,

56:25

you've done your job as a pitcher if that's

56:27

the reaction that you're getting from hitters And

56:29

Hernandez by the way in the bullpen I think

56:32

for the Dodgers right now Kind of curious to

56:34

see what kind of tweaks they might make with

56:36

him given the probably just throw that weird ass

56:38

thing a bunch Of times in the sixth inning and get

56:40

us through this inning. Yeah, yeah 80%

56:44

of the time. Yeah, I never think we'll work itself out

56:47

I got a few questions here from our listeners

56:49

and viewers. This one came from discord from on

56:51

you see which spring training

56:53

stat Do you pay attention to

56:55

the most and why thought to

56:57

you first, you know? I

56:59

think probably a similar one on both sides is

57:01

strikeout rate in terms of results. It's the easiest

57:04

It's the thing that matters in a month. You've

57:06

got a month you got six weeks so in

57:08

a month you can actually say something about a

57:10

hitter strikeout rate and a pitcher strikeout rate and

57:13

In terms of results, that's the number one thing.

57:15

There's some process stuff But it's really hard to

57:18

like look at Vilo right now because some of

57:20

those guys are pitching two innings and they got

57:22

a pitch Five innings next time out. I

57:24

thought Jack Flaherty was throwing like 95 96 in

57:27

his first outing That

57:29

was like an inning or two in

57:31

his next outing. He sat 93 But

57:35

actually it was interesting He had 96 when

57:37

it was two strikes and when it was you know

57:39

when he wanted to finish the at bat off He's

57:41

still he was kind of doing the verlander where he's

57:43

trying to keep 96 in his back pocket, but it's

57:46

just hard to know Right

57:48

now what a pitcher is gonna sit at because

57:50

there's they're still in that sort of two to

57:52

three innings stint And it's maybe they're just airing

57:54

it out now and you don't know what they're

57:56

gonna do later I like strikeout rate

57:58

as well. I'll throw another one I just like like

58:00

played appearances I just want to know who's playing because

58:02

what I'm trying to figure out is just what's

58:05

happening in job battle such a Huge

58:07

part of our fantasy analysis trying to figure out

58:09

where playing time shifts might be happening It is

58:11

not easy to decode who does the manager believe

58:13

in and also who are you playing with which

58:15

obviously isn't a stat? But that's just one of

58:17

those things if I see a number that surprises

58:20

me in either direction I start looking at some

58:22

lineups kind of figure out like okay. What

58:24

are they doing with? A lot of these are leaving

58:26

in the sixth inning or not Taking

58:28

the hour ride in Florida or or

58:31

not. There's these things. Oh, that's true,

58:33

too Who yeah, who's taking who's on

58:35

the visiting squad? I noticed that

58:37

one Yeah, cuz we went to the Padres Angels

58:39

and the Padres are visiting and they did not

58:41

take a single regular I apologize

58:43

to my son Yeah,

58:47

I'll parrot that I'd say how many home

58:49

games is playing them That's

58:51

how you know how seriously that team or

58:53

like how seriously you can take that guy

58:55

making the team guys Don't go on the

58:57

road unless if they're locked in frankly, I

58:59

I said no to go on the road Way

59:03

more than I wanted to last year But

59:06

yeah, that's that's that's an

59:08

indicator And then for me just from

59:10

a like a process and but for like looking at yourself

59:13

I was always just like seeing if we mentioned

59:15

below for me. It was like just making sure

59:18

that it was slowly

59:20

Increasing or that I was close to kind of where

59:23

I wanted to be in general You

59:25

know, I'll be down a couple because it's gonna

59:27

be a for wherever we go anyway So it's

59:29

gonna be cold probably and it's gonna be down

59:31

But just seeing making sure health wise that like

59:33

everything's moving Close and that

59:35

that progression is happening over over time So

59:37

from where I started to where I began

59:40

there was a positive progression That was just

59:42

just generally knowing that stuff and that's also

59:44

during the season So just getting getting rolling

59:46

there and then in terms of like

59:49

and also strikeout rate was was big for me

59:51

and for looking at our team too because you

59:53

can show what type of Stuff

59:55

you have at the moment, but also like that.

59:57

It's another indicator of everything. I just said so like yeah and

1:00:00

it's working. And things are working no

1:00:02

matter who I'm facing, even if it's young kids who've never

1:00:04

seen me before and I've never seen them and I'm not

1:00:06

really following a plan, you can just go stuff on stuff.

1:00:09

That's usually a good thing

1:00:11

I would pay attention to. Am I getting the kids

1:00:13

out? Am I getting the guys out that I don't

1:00:15

know anything about? That's a good indicator of how my

1:00:18

things are working. Oh, there's one more that

1:00:20

I actually wanna throw out there too. Stolen bases

1:00:22

and stolen base attempts. Our friend Jason Collett took

1:00:24

a really good look at that from

1:00:26

last year with the new rule changes and it

1:00:28

actually lined up really well. The stolen base rates

1:00:30

from spring training kind of poured it over to

1:00:32

the regular season so you can get a sense

1:00:34

of who is going to be

1:00:36

more aggressive, maybe on a player and a

1:00:38

team sort of level, at least some signal

1:00:40

there. I think the Nationals are running pretty

1:00:42

wild. Lane Thomas has like six or seven

1:00:44

stolen bases already. Have fun. They could.

1:00:47

Enjoy that. Might as well. It's gonna be

1:00:49

something to watch for in Washington. Have

1:00:52

fun, Audavino. And

1:00:55

Audavino, by the way, tons of clips

1:00:57

of him working on his throw and

1:01:00

he said he was gonna do anything. I'm gonna figure

1:01:02

it out. I'm gonna, this is the year finally. 38

1:01:04

years old. I'm gonna figure out how old runners. Thanks

1:01:08

a lot for my questions. Those Lester

1:01:11

years or... Oh. It

1:01:13

was a Tommy Pham with like eight steps off

1:01:15

the bag. It was

1:01:17

like watching Rookie of the Year but with

1:01:19

grownups doing stuff on

1:01:21

the base paths. Incredible. One

1:01:24

more here from Andy D. Toy. This is a

1:01:26

question for Trevor. When you were making a plan

1:01:28

to face a new lineup, do you tend to

1:01:30

put more weight on hitters' weaknesses or your pitching

1:01:33

strengths? It always came down to how

1:01:35

much information was it what I looked at. There

1:01:38

was a lot of times where we'd face like, the

1:01:41

Pirates in recent years, like there'd be like five

1:01:43

guys. So it was very little data on because

1:01:45

you don't really trust Triple A stuff that much

1:01:48

because of the way we, everything we mentioned before

1:01:50

with development stuff. So I would stay, try to

1:01:52

stay strengths most often there. Try to keep it

1:01:54

as simple as possible. I think I talked about

1:01:56

this when we talked about the catcher targeting and

1:01:58

stuff. So this came into play. play much more

1:02:00

last year but it was already pretty simple even when

1:02:02

I knew a lot about a guy so it became

1:02:05

even easier to get ready for these guys. Sometimes

1:02:07

I revert to generalizations about righty

1:02:09

hitters generally can't hit this thing,

1:02:13

lefty hitters generally hit down and in

1:02:15

well like all of them for some

1:02:17

reason and righties generally hit up and

1:02:19

out over, up and away better

1:02:21

and it was just the way it was.

1:02:24

I would just revert to my generalizations, try to keep

1:02:26

it simple and then build off that and then on

1:02:28

top of all of that I just

1:02:30

wanted to make sure I knew the guys I didn't

1:02:32

want to beat me in that lineup and that those

1:02:34

guys were taken care of and it kind of made

1:02:36

it like a specific scouting report. Yeah so if I

1:02:38

only had a couple guys in the lineup that I

1:02:41

knew a lot about I would just make sure I

1:02:43

had that locked in and then just reverted to my

1:02:45

strengths for the rest of the lineup because that's pretty

1:02:47

much the best you can do but you

1:02:49

try to look for specifics first and then

1:02:51

you go to strengths when you don't

1:02:53

have as much information. I like the one

1:02:55

thing that Pedro Marcina said that has always stuck out

1:02:57

for me is that if you watch a player when

1:03:00

they stand up at the plate when they're doing their

1:03:02

practice swing you can actually tell what

1:03:04

kind of a hitter they are. So Wilmer Flores

1:03:06

when he comes to the plate it's all this

1:03:08

high, it's like this high flat swing

1:03:11

you're like oh that's a high ball hitter right

1:03:13

there you know and these guys come up here

1:03:15

and practice a little low swing right when they

1:03:17

get in there. I mean a hitter could manipulate

1:03:19

that and play with that but Pedro said if

1:03:21

I didn't know who the guy was I just

1:03:23

watched him practice swing and I knew something about him. You

1:03:26

can do it with Soto too. The

1:03:28

shuffling and the head shaking and stuff you can pay attention

1:03:30

to it and you can tell what he was expecting, what

1:03:32

he was thinking, if he's mad at himself

1:03:34

or not getting the thing that he was looking for or

1:03:36

if you actually like surprise him a little bit he shows

1:03:38

you and I think guys picked up on

1:03:40

a little bit more the longer he's

1:03:42

playing and I think he's doing a little bit less

1:03:45

but yeah there's stuff like that if you

1:03:47

can get it. It's like

1:03:49

some people will like hit their back

1:03:52

leg like their back hip after.

1:03:54

Stay back, stay back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're

1:03:56

like stay in there, stay in there. Go eat her.

1:03:59

Yeah. Last

1:04:02

one here before we go, this one's from

1:04:04

Saul. How much do you guys pay attention

1:04:06

to O-Swing percentage on breaking balls? I remember

1:04:08

reading on Prospects Live that chase rate is

1:04:10

the best proxy we have for deception and

1:04:12

tunneling. Hmm, this is sort of

1:04:14

what we were thinking about the biggest miss

1:04:16

rate. It is a big indicator. Actually that

1:04:18

article that we've actually talked about quite a

1:04:20

few times, actually

1:04:22

my co-host on SiriusXM, Danny Westman, sent this same

1:04:24

article to me. It's like, have you read this?

1:04:27

I'm like, I actually made a YouTube video about

1:04:29

this. The art of pitch

1:04:31

tunneling, that is the proposition they

1:04:33

make, is that the better the tunnel,

1:04:35

the more often the chase rate is

1:04:38

effective and it goes up. And

1:04:40

I actually changed grips to chase that because

1:04:42

I was like, no one changed it effectively.

1:04:44

Was that effective? Did it work? I

1:04:46

think there's a direct correlation there, 100%. Did it work for you? Yeah. It

1:04:50

did work. Actually the first slider, I hadn't gotten a swing miss on

1:04:52

a slider in literally like two months. A

1:04:54

lot of ground balls and stuff and a lot of takes. Changeup

1:04:57

was good at the time and I was getting a lot of

1:04:59

fastballs, swing misses, but my slider was like not a swing miss

1:05:01

pitch. First one I threw back, strikeout.

1:05:03

And this is the switch to the gyro? Yeah, this is

1:05:05

the switch to the harder gyro because I'm like- And then

1:05:08

you were saying it didn't have a hump, so it didn't

1:05:10

have a hump. It was 88 instead of 82. It

1:05:13

was honestly like a little elevated and a little, not

1:05:15

a great like pit, but he swung over it like

1:05:17

emergency swing. And I was like, I

1:05:19

must have tunneled my fastball that I had just

1:05:21

thrown him much, much better than it has in

1:05:23

the past. So they're onto something. I don't know

1:05:25

if the ranges that they proposed are a little

1:05:27

bit different. They probably have been adjusted a little

1:05:29

bit, but like there is some veracity to that,

1:05:32

yes. I wonder if that's also something you

1:05:34

could look at. If you were looking at pitchers who

1:05:36

wind in the shadow zone, we were talking about the

1:05:38

swings versus takes in the shadow zone. The pitchers that

1:05:41

do well in that maybe have

1:05:43

effective tunnels. Like that might be

1:05:45

something- That's what we were saying, that's like it's

1:05:47

really hard to analyze the shadow zone without breaking

1:05:49

down my pitch type because a fastball in the

1:05:51

shadow zone is something you still kind of want

1:05:53

and a breaking ball in the shadow zone is

1:05:55

like absolutely as a hitter, you do not want

1:05:57

to swing at that. The pairing. of

1:06:00

it if you thought it was a fastball and you

1:06:02

got a fighter in the shadows on you really wish

1:06:04

you didn't swing at that. Well,

1:06:06

a lot to chew on here and we'll take

1:06:09

some requests I think in our discord be sure

1:06:11

to join that if you haven't done so already

1:06:13

the links in there. We'll have Trevor and you

1:06:15

know kind of break down how they would game

1:06:17

plan to pitch to some hitters. We'll

1:06:19

try to do that over the course these next few shows because there's

1:06:21

a infinite list of possibilities with something

1:06:23

like that. So if we get some popular requests I

1:06:26

think we can make it sort of a buy request

1:06:28

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1:06:30

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1:06:32

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