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you worried about taking the tax hit on your
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investment gains and unsure what to do? Well, in
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today's episode, I'm to share a very simple framework
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that will show you when, or even if, you
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should realize those gains and the way you should
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go about doing it. This
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is another episode of Ready for Retirement. I'm your host
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James Cannell, and I'm here to teach you how to
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get the most out of life with your money. And
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now, on to the episode. As
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part of this episode, I'm gonna share with you
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simple ways that you can pay nothing in taxes
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on some of these gains. This is from simple
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things, like taking full advantage of the 0 % long
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-term capital gain tax bracket, creative ways to gift
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money to charity to offset the tax impact, gifting
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money to children so they can realize some of
0:39
the gains at their tax bracket, understanding when you
0:41
get a step up in basis on your unrealized
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gains, and also understanding how tax loss harvesting can
0:45
help to offset some of this. So I'll talk
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about some of those, but before I do so,
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I wanna go through the general framework of how
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you should even think about the gains that you
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have in your portfolio. You've invested in something that's
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grown, and now you're stuck wondering what
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do I do? Do I take the tax
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hit? Or do I keep it
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going to avoid taxes and maintain the same
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investment exposure that I already have? In
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just in case it's not already obvious, what
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I'm talking about specifically is gains in
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a brokerage account. Not an IRA, a Roth
1:12
IRA, a 401K. All of those gains
1:14
are either tax -free or tax -deferred. I
1:16
am talking about gains on things held in
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a brokerage account where anything that you
1:20
realize, any gain that you realize is potentially
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subject to taxes. So to start,
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let's go through the framework of when should
1:27
you hold on to your investment and avoid paying
1:29
gains versus when should you sell your investment
1:31
and pay taxes on those gains and we'll do
1:33
this framework or we'll go through this framework
1:35
before going to some of the ways that you
1:37
can creatively pay nothing in taxes potentially depending
1:39
on your situation. So let's start by looking at
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an example. Let's assume that you put money
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into an investment and you've put a total of
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$100 ,000 into this investment. It's now
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worth $500 ,000. There's
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$400 ,000 of unrealized gains here. And if
1:52
you sell this, those gains are going to
1:54
be taxable. How do you determine what
1:56
you should do here? Well, number one, let's
1:58
start with when shouldn't you sell that investment?
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There's not always the case to sell
2:02
and pay taxes if we can avoid doing
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so or if there's no need to
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do so. If that $500 ,000 investment, so
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that investment that has 400 % gains in
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it, if you have that investment and you
2:13
look at your portfolio and you know
2:15
what your portfolio needs to do for you
2:17
and you understand or you see that
2:19
this specific investment is a critical part of
2:21
that portfolio, there's not necessarily a need
2:23
to sell. If that gain is there
2:25
and this is still a core part of your portfolio
2:28
and you're not overweight, so for
2:30
example, The instance I see quite a bit
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is people who have invested in large
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tech stocks. This could be a fund, whether
2:36
an ETF or a mutual fund that
2:38
invests in large cap growth stocks, which tend
2:40
to be technology stocks, or it could
2:42
be individual holdings. Maybe you purchased Amazon or
2:44
Tesla or Microsoft or any of these
2:46
investments have done quite well over the past
2:48
five, 10, 15 plus years and you
2:50
have a significant gain in them. If you
2:52
look at that specific investment and you
2:55
say this investment plays a critical role in
2:57
my portfolio. and I have a well -diverse
2:59
portfolio designed to meet my needs and
3:01
this investment plays a critical role in it,
3:03
maybe you don't necessarily need to realize
3:05
those gains. However, if
3:07
you look at this investment and say it
3:09
is significantly overweight or it does not play
3:11
a role in my portfolio, that's where you
3:14
have to understand the risk of both action
3:16
and inaction. So what do I mean by
3:18
that? Well, the risk of action, in this
3:20
case, selling. So for example, maybe you have
3:22
all of your money to use an extreme
3:24
example in one single stock. I don't care
3:26
how well that stock is done, it is
3:28
incredibly risky if all of your net worth
3:30
is in one single stock or all of
3:33
your portfolio is in one single stock, specifically
3:35
as you approach retirement. If you are that
3:37
individual in that example, we have to understand
3:39
what is your maximum downside by selling and
3:41
realizing all of your gains. Well,
3:43
the maximum downside is you pay full
3:45
taxes on the gains. Depending on what
3:47
state you're in, that's going to be
3:50
different. At the federal level, there is
3:52
a 0 % a 15 % and a
3:54
20 % long -term capital gain tax bracket,
3:56
as well as a net investment income
3:58
tax when your income exceeds certain thresholds.
4:00
So at the federal level, if we're
4:02
just looking at federal long -term capital
4:05
gain tax rates, the maximum impact is
4:07
20%, 20 % haircut, not on the entirety
4:09
of what you sell, but on the
4:11
gains. So if we use
4:13
another example, maybe you purchased something
4:15
for $60 ,000 and it's now worth
4:17
$100 ,000. If you sell it
4:19
all, that's a big gain. That's a
4:21
67 % appreciation from the 60 ,000 that
4:23
you had growing to 100 ,000. You're
4:25
not paying 20 % taxes on everything. You're
4:28
paying 20 % taxes on the gains
4:30
at the maximum, potentially 15 % if you're
4:32
not on the max tax bracket there.
4:34
So in this example, a 20 %
4:36
tax on those $40 ,000 of gains would
4:38
be $8 ,000. So if you sell
4:40
your investment, if you sold all of
4:42
it, that would turn from $100 ,000 into
4:44
$92 ,000 in this case. So that's
4:46
not fun. That's not fun to know
4:48
that you're going to lock in a
4:51
loss, but let's look at the alternative. What
4:53
if this $100 ,000 is in one single
4:56
stock? And that single stock has a lot
4:58
of gains in it, and that prevents you from selling. You don't
5:00
want to have to pay any of the taxes. Well,
5:02
now all of a sudden, that stock declines. 40%,
5:05
50%, 60%, 70%. The good news
5:07
is you probably no longer have
5:09
a tax liability. The bad
5:11
news is, you've lost 70 % of your investment
5:13
in that extreme case. So when you look
5:15
at potential outcomes, what we have to understand
5:17
is that sometimes I see people avoiding selling
5:19
an investment because they're avoiding that tax hit.
5:21
That tax hit is very tangible. They know
5:23
it exists. They know what they're going to
5:25
pay. What they're not quite taking
5:27
into account is, what's the risk of not doing
5:29
this? The risk of not doing this, in
5:32
many cases, is significantly greater than the tax liability,
5:34
the tax that they're going to pay. And
5:36
so keep that in mind. Start with understanding what
5:38
are the real risks here. Just because you
5:40
have a long -term gain doesn't mean you have
5:42
to sell. In many cases, it's
5:44
a great strategy to keep that investment,
5:46
keep that fund as part of your
5:48
overall portfolio and avoid gains. But
5:51
if this begins to make up too much
5:53
of your portfolio or you're heavily overly concentrated,
5:55
there's tremendous risk there and we can't lose
5:57
sight of the fact that a downturn will
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be far more detrimental to you in that
6:01
case than simply realizing some of the tax
6:03
would be. So that's a basic framework of
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how should you think about this. Now let's
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look at some specific strategies that could eliminate
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this tax bill altogether. The
6:12
first strategy is fully utilizing the 0
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% long -term capital gain threshold, the
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long -term capital gain tax bracket. A
6:18
lot of people think long -term capital
6:20
gains, I'm either paying taxes at 15
6:22
% or 20%. And for a lot
6:24
of people, that's true. But
6:27
if your taxable income is under
6:29
certain thresholds, you have a
6:31
0 % tax bracket that you
6:33
can take advantage of to realize
6:35
long -term capital gains and qualified
6:37
dividends. Now, qualified dividends I'm
6:39
going to set aside because you can't
6:41
control the timing of when you receive
6:43
these dividends, but you can't control the
6:45
timing of when you realize a long
6:48
-term gain. For 2025, if your taxable
6:50
income is under $96 ,700, you
6:52
are in a 0 % long -term capital
6:54
gain tax bracket. Meaning, any long -term
6:56
capital gain you realize up until
6:58
that threshold is taxed at 0%. Anything
7:00
above that threshold is in taxed
7:02
at 15, and there's another threshold where
7:04
anything above that is taxed at
7:06
20%. If you are single, those numbers
7:08
are exactly half. $48 ,350 is the
7:10
taxable income threshold under which you
7:12
pay 0 % federal taxes on long -term
7:14
capital gains. Now, be mindful of
7:16
what I'm saying here. Taxable income. not
7:18
adjusted gross income, but your taxable
7:20
income. The difference is if you start
7:22
with your adjusted gross income and
7:24
then you take a deduction, either your
7:26
standard deduction, which are 2025 is
7:28
15 ,000 if you're single, 30 ,000 if
7:30
you're married, finding jointly, even more
7:32
if you're 65 or older. What you
7:34
do is you take your adjusted
7:36
gross income, remove or deduct your deduction,
7:38
and then what you're left with
7:40
is your taxable income. So this is
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actually good news. If you're married,
7:44
finding jointly and have the standard deduction,
7:46
You're adjusted gross income, and there's
7:48
some nuance here, and there's some details
7:50
that definitely could change this. I'm
7:52
just saying this for some perspective, not
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to say this is a hard
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and fast number that you should use
7:58
because there are some details that
8:01
impact this, but an adjusted gross income
8:03
of 126 ,700 or less, generally speaking,
8:05
you're going to be in that
8:07
0 % federal tax bracket. Not a
8:09
0 % tax bracket for ordinary income,
8:11
so things like interest that you receive,
8:13
IRA distributions, part of your social
8:15
security. That's all tax or ordinary income
8:17
rates. This is specifically for long -term
8:19
capital gains. So can you utilize
8:21
that? Can you leverage that? Can you
8:23
take advantage of being in that
8:25
tax bracket? And something that most people
8:27
do or many people do is
8:29
they might have gains that exceed that
8:31
limit. So they say, okay, I
8:33
have $100 ,000 of gains in my
8:35
investment account. I am maybe, let's say
8:37
for a simple math, $50 ,000 under
8:39
that threshold. Well, if I realize
8:41
all 100 ,000 of these gains this
8:43
year, 50 ,000 of them will be
8:45
tax -free, but the other 50 ,000 will
8:47
be taxed at the 15 % rate.
8:50
Great. Do you realize half of the gains
8:52
this year, and you realize the other half
8:54
of the gains the following year? How can
8:56
you be strategic about the timing when you
8:58
realize those gains so that even if you
9:00
have some pretty significant gains, can you potentially
9:02
pay 0 % taxes on those by utilizing the
9:04
0 % tax brackets? Another thing that you
9:06
can do to offset some of the taxes
9:08
you would owe in a long -term capital gain,
9:10
and keep in mind everything I'm talking about
9:12
in this episode is a long -term capital
9:14
gain. Short -term capital gains, those
9:16
are to ordinary income rates, and some
9:18
of these strategies don't work with short -term
9:21
capital gains. But if you have investment
9:23
gains, let's assume you purchased Apple stock
9:25
for $1 ,000, and it's now worth
9:27
$10 ,000, and you want to gift $10
9:29
,000 to a charity. What you could
9:31
do is you could gift $10 ,000 cash to
9:33
that charity, and that's great. That's wonderful. But
9:35
what might have been better is what if you
9:37
instead looked to give that Apple stock? Let's
9:40
assume for a second you're in the 20
9:42
% tax bracket federally and you're in a
9:44
state like California and I'm going to round
9:46
your tax bracket to 10 % for easy math.
9:48
You're in a 30 % combined tax bracket
9:50
and that's before factoring things like net investment
9:52
income tax. So 30 % might actually be conservative
9:54
in this case. If you're in
9:56
a 30 % tax bracket and you
9:58
sell an investment with $9 ,000 in gains,
10:01
$2 ,700 of those gains are going
10:03
to be paid in taxes. So
10:05
that $10 ,000 investment doesn't really
10:07
represent $10 ,000 to you. It represents
10:09
or it's the equivalent of $7
10:12
,300 to you in terms of
10:14
its after -tax value. So what
10:16
if in this case, instead of gifting $10
10:18
,000 in cash, what if you
10:20
gifted that $10 ,000 in Apple stock
10:22
or any investment stock? Well, what
10:24
that does is you don't pay any taxes on the gains. You
10:27
get the full tax deduction of the
10:29
$10 ,000 gift, and the charity doesn't pay
10:31
any taxes on the gains either. So they
10:33
get the full $10 ,000, and something that
10:35
to you was worth $7 ,300 after taxes,
10:37
now it becomes worth the full $10 ,000.
10:39
To take this a step further, if
10:41
you say, well, I really like that Apple
10:43
stock, and this is not a recommendation
10:45
for owning Apple stock, I'm just using this
10:47
as an example. If you say, well,
10:49
I don't want to get rid of that $10 ,000 of Apple stock,
10:51
I really love that investment. Great. Take
10:53
the $10 ,000 of cash you otherwise
10:55
would have gifted to charity and
10:57
repurchase Apple stock. You now
11:00
own the same exact number of shares,
11:02
except now you've stepped up your cost
11:04
basis. Now the basis on those
11:06
shares is $10 ,000. meaning any future sale
11:08
you do of that stock, your only paying
11:10
taxes on the gains above $10 ,000, no longer
11:12
paying gains on the gains above $1 ,000,
11:14
which was the original cost basis. So if
11:16
you do any type of charitable giving, it
11:18
very often makes sense to gift appreciated shares
11:20
of stock as opposed to gifting cash. Another
11:22
thing you can do is you can gift
11:24
it to family. So let's assume that you're
11:26
in a position where you want to help
11:28
children with a home down payment, or you
11:30
want to give them funds for something, or
11:32
you want to do something. Well, you
11:34
could gift cash, like we talked about in the previous
11:36
example, but what if there's a
11:38
huge discrepancy between your tax bracket and
11:40
your child's tax bracket? Well, if
11:42
instead of gifting, let's say, $20 ,000 to
11:45
your child in cash, what if you
11:47
gifted highly appreciated securities, knowing that
11:49
they're a much lower tax bracket, potentially
11:51
even the 0 % tax bracket? Well,
11:53
if you gift shares of an
11:55
investment, whatever your cost basis is, assuming
11:57
there's a gain on those shares, your
11:59
gifting or their getting, the recipient, is
12:02
getting the same cost basis. So
12:04
let's use that Apple example again, and let's
12:06
just double the values. You want to give
12:08
$20 ,000, you purchase $2 ,000 of Apple stock,
12:10
it's now worth $20 ,000. Well, if you gift
12:12
that to your child, they still
12:14
have that cost basis of $2 ,000, and they
12:16
now have the full value, or they still
12:18
have the same fair market value of $20
12:20
,000. Well, your tax bracket,
12:22
and again, I'm assuming a pretty significant
12:24
variance between what your tax rate is
12:27
and what your child's tax rate is,
12:29
but if you were to sell that,
12:31
you might be paying 20, 25, 30 %
12:33
total taxes on those gains. Versus your
12:35
child, they might potentially be in the
12:37
0%. tax bracket. They might potentially be
12:39
even in the 15 % tax bracket,
12:42
so that at least is a way
12:44
of selling at a lower tax bracket
12:46
than yours if you already have the
12:48
intention of gifting funds to family. So
12:50
that's another potentially creative use of your
12:52
long -term capital gain investments if you have
12:54
the intention of gifting to family. So
12:57
the next thing that you need to keep in mind is this
12:59
concept of a step -up and basis. If these
13:01
are assets that you intend to pass
13:03
on to children or grandchildren or other relatives
13:05
or friends or anyone, there will be
13:07
a step up on these assets upon your
13:09
passing. So if we use an
13:11
extreme example, if you're 89 years old and
13:13
you know you're probably not going to live past
13:15
90 and you got a lot of money
13:17
in the vested and there's a lot of gains,
13:19
almost never would it make a ton of
13:21
sense for you to sell all of those gains.
13:23
It might probably in many cases makes more
13:25
sense for you to say, as long as I
13:28
don't need these funds, I'm not going to
13:30
sell them because upon my passing, there will be
13:32
a step up in basis, meaning wherever the
13:34
fair market value of these securities is on the
13:36
date of my death, that becomes a new
13:38
cost basis. So now that
13:40
becomes tax -free, those assets become tax
13:42
-free to my heirs. And I'm
13:44
specifically talking here, again, just a
13:46
reminder about non -retirement accounts. This
13:48
could be business interest, this could
13:50
be property, this could be stocks, this
13:52
could be any other types of
13:54
investments that aren't held in IRAs, Roth
13:57
IRAs, 401Ks, et cetera. But keep
13:59
that in mind. Now in other states
14:01
and community property states, if one
14:03
spouse dies and assets are jointly titled,
14:05
meaning you own a trust account
14:07
where both of you are grantors and
14:09
trustees, or you own a joint
14:11
investment account, a joint account with rights of survivorship.
14:13
If one spouse passes away, the surviving spouse
14:15
gets a full step up and basis on the
14:17
entirety of that. Now this will vary depending
14:19
on whether you live in a community property state
14:21
or a common law state. Every state can
14:23
be a little bit different here, but there will
14:26
be some type of a step up and
14:28
basis. So really understand how that works in the
14:30
specific state that you live in. And then
14:32
finally, the last thing to know here is that
14:34
long -term capital gains can be fully offset by
14:36
capital losses. So maybe you have a
14:38
significant gain in one investment. You know, this investment
14:40
is not a good core piece of your portfolio. You
14:42
want to diversify out of it. There's a lot
14:44
of gains. You have other investments
14:46
that have losses in them. Can
14:49
you sell some of those investments that have
14:51
losses? Wait over 31 days to repurchase those
14:53
assets so you don't violate the wash sale
14:55
rules and then what you're doing is you're
14:57
realizing those losses to offset these gains. This
14:59
is actually where the concept of a separately
15:01
managed account can be quite useful if you're
15:04
the highest tax bracket and if you're anticipating
15:06
significant gains from the sale of property. real
15:08
estate, stock investments, et cetera. I'll actually link
15:10
out to another video that I did at
15:12
the end of this that shows if you
15:14
are in those highest tax brackets and have
15:16
significant brokerage assets. I did a value to
15:18
show you the value of a separately managed
15:21
account and how that can tie into all
15:23
of this. But as we go through this,
15:25
that's the basic framework that I would look
15:27
at. To start with, understand the downside of
15:29
selling and realizing losses. but compare
15:31
that to the potential downside of not selling
15:33
if it's the wrong investment and understanding the
15:35
loss that could be associated with that. So
15:38
know how this fits in your plan,
15:40
understand what you want to do with these
15:42
assets long term, and then start to
15:44
see are there strategic things we can do,
15:46
whether it's taking advantage of long term
15:48
capital gain, 0 % tax rates, whether it's
15:50
tax loss harvesting, whether it's gifting, whether it's
15:52
charitable giving, whether it's any of these
15:54
things that you can do, to diminish or
15:56
even potentially eliminate some of the long -term
15:58
capital gain taxes you might owe. Now
16:00
I mentioned just a minute ago that I'm
16:02
going to link to a video. Here's
16:04
a video right here. And in this video,
16:06
I talk about the value of a
16:08
separately managed account where if you're that individual
16:10
that's in the highest tax bracket, and
16:12
if you're an individual that has pretty significant
16:14
brokerage assets, business assets, real estate assets,
16:16
this video is for you and you can
16:18
see how you can potentially save lots
16:20
and lots of money and taxes utilizing some
16:22
of the advanced tax management strategies that
16:24
are associated with the right separately managed account.
16:43
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16:46
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16:48
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16:50
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16:52
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