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2023 on the outskirts of
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Portopranz, Haiti. A white SUV
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speeds through a maze of
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narrow, twisting streets. It bumps
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over potholes and screeches around
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hairpins, black smoke sputtering from
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the exhaust, tires splashing through
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brown puddles. Stray dogs scamper
1:05
out of the road, as
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the SUV plunges deeper and
1:09
deeper into this dense shanty
1:11
town. On the back seat,
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Jeff Frasier cannot see. The
1:15
brim of his cap is
1:17
being pushed down over his
1:20
eyes by an aggressive hand.
1:22
He tries to peek out
1:24
from beneath this makeshift blindfold.
1:26
Down to his right, he
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can make out a pair
1:30
of skinny legs in scruffy-ripped
1:32
jeans, and the jet black
1:34
muzzle of an assault rifle
1:36
laid across them. The masked
1:38
men who have hijacked this
1:40
vehicle are taking Jeff and
1:42
his two security guards to
1:44
an unknown location. Jeff counts
1:46
the left and right turns,
1:48
trying to commit the root
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to memory. The attempts to
1:52
stay calm, but his heart
1:54
is pounding as the car
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starts to motor up an
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incline. As
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you go higher up the
2:03
hill in this area, you're
2:06
going deeper into king territory.
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And so when we're headed
2:10
up that hill, I know
2:12
that we're being kidnapped. He
2:14
soon loses count of the
2:16
endless zigzag turns. Wherever they're
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going, it's deep inside a
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part of the city that
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humanitarian aid workers like Jeff
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normally avoid. A place governed
2:27
by gangs who trade in
2:29
human lives. It is... so
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frightening. It's a strange realization
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to go from free to
2:36
captive and to not only
2:38
be captive, but to think
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that your life is in
2:43
jeopardy. You know, I've been
2:45
through scary situations in the
2:47
past, but none of that
2:50
compares to this situation. Ever
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wondered what you would do
3:02
when disaster strikes? If
3:05
your life depended on
3:07
your next decision, could
3:10
you make the right
3:12
choice? Welcome to Real
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Survival Stories. These are
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the astonishing tales of
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ordinary people thrown into
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extraordinary situations.
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People suddenly forced to
3:27
fight for their lives.
3:29
who runs food distribution
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in Haiti, a beautiful
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culturally rich Caribbean nation,
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which has in recent
3:37
years struggled desperately with
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extreme poverty and crime. In
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April 2023, Jeff is in Haiti
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to facilitate a relief program when
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he is taken hostage by one
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of the gangs who have taken
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over swathes of the country. Trapped
3:52
in a fortified compound, Jeff must
3:55
negotiate with his captors and
3:57
forged bonds with his fellow
3:59
hostages. Pray every day that
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he will eventually make it home
4:04
to his family. About 20% of
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kidnapping victims are killed in the
4:08
process. You hope that the calculus
4:11
plays out in your favor so
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that they see you as more
4:15
valuable alive than dead. But how
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certain are you that they're going
4:20
to do that math? I'm John
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Hopkins. From the Noiser network, this
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is real survival stories. It's
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April 2023 in the town
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of Jacques Mel on the
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south coast of Haiti. Jeff
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Frasier reaches into the back
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of a delivery truck and
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pulls out two sacks of
5:06
rice. Heaving them onto his
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broad shoulders, Jeff carries the
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food into a large warehouse,
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where more humanitarian volunteers sought
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the sacks into separate piles.
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The six-foot two American then
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heads back out to the
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truck and hops up into
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the passenger seat. grateful for
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the cool blast of air
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conditioning. It's early but already
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swelteringly hot. As the truck
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pulls away onto the next
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food distribution site, they pass
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the crowd of hungry, impoverished
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people forming outside the warehouse.
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The work he does here
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is not for the faint-hearted.
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It requires dedication, emotional resilience,
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and a resolute sense of
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purpose. These days Jeff
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possesses all those qualities, but
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by his own admission, he
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wasn't always this way. It
5:58
was pretty troubled. didn't do
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well in school, barely graduated
6:03
high school, and luckily
6:05
joined the army at about 19-20
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years old, the U.S. Army, and
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that straightened me out. I always
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joke it took a literal army
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to get me on the straight
6:16
and narrow, but it worked. I
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came out the other end pretty
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tough to beat. I could withstand
6:22
a lot of pressure. and that
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hit every edge of my life,
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right? Everything that's hard in our
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lives, whether it be emotionally or
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physically or all of those things
6:33
require grit and toughness. It was
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fundamental for me and became a
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tool that I leveraged for ever
6:40
after that. Jeff left the army
6:42
and went into tech, building
6:44
a comfortable life for himself
6:47
and his family. But throughout
6:49
his time in the private
6:51
sector... he maintained a strong
6:53
social conscience. As a
6:55
devout Christian this impulse
6:57
to help others is rooted
7:00
partly in his faith. It
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also stems from a tragic
7:04
loss that Jeff suffered following
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his parents divorce. Unfortunately
7:09
my mom were married
7:11
an abusive guy who
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eventually killed her when I was
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14. You know the more
7:18
that I look back on
7:20
my... challenges growing up, particularly
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the trauma around losing my
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mom. You know, I think
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there was a deep scar
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there that made me really
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hate that I wasn't able
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to save her from him
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and produced this would all
7:39
call a hero complex that
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I have now that really
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drives me to want to
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help. those who can't help
7:48
themselves? About a decade ago, Jeff
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began volunteering with
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an anti-child trafficking organization.
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Like his transformative
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experience in the army. The
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work was an eye-opener. It's one
8:02
thing to recognize people have need.
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It's another thing to realize that
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you can, with fairly significant ease,
8:09
meet that need. When he sold
8:12
his company in 2019, Jeff felt
8:14
inspired to roll up his sleeves
8:16
and dedicate himself full-time to humanitarian
8:19
work. He decided to focus his
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attention on Haiti, where foreign aid
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has long struggled to make a
8:26
lasting impact, and where human trafficking...
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is a major problem. Haiti is
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the poorest country in the Western
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Hemisphere by a wide margin. Probably
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half of the country is in
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acute starvation. Maybe more than half
8:39
of the countries in acute starvation.
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So you're looking at about five
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or six million people in acute
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starvation. In recent years, natural disasters
8:49
and political instability have brought Haiti
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to a crisis point. Following the
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assassination of the president in 2021,
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The political vacuum was swiftly filled
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by criminal gangs. The presence of
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these groups makes the work of
9:03
humanitarians not only logistically difficult, but
9:05
dangerous. Jeff's NGO, Stimpac, does intense
9:07
work on the ground. We just
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started. gathering food and water and
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going down there and getting it
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to the people that needed it
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the most. So we would partner
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with the World Food Program to
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go into areas that they couldn't
9:23
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gangs to go behind enemy lines,
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so to speak, and go do
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semi-rural neighborhood on the leafy
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southern slopes of the city, Martisson
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is now considered a no-go zone
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due to gang violence. Ordinarily
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Jeff would hire a small
11:23
Cessna airplane to make drops
11:25
like this, but due to
11:27
the political instability, most of
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the pilots have shut down
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operations. Unable to fly over
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this dangerous neighborhood, Jeff has
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to drive through it. Still, Jeff
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isn't naive. He understands
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gang politics and has established
11:42
relationships with community leaders
11:44
who act as mediators
11:47
between him and the
11:49
criminal kingpins. Through
11:51
these contacts, Jeff has an agreement
11:53
in place. To travel through Martisson
11:56
safely, they just need to grease
11:58
a few palms. We'd made
12:00
the deal with this gang to pass
12:02
through this area called Martison, which is
12:05
a known area. I'd been there many
12:07
times before in previous years when it
12:09
was safer and the gangs weren't in
12:12
charge. But now they had this like
12:14
toll booth where they sit in the
12:16
middle of the road under a blue
12:19
umbrella with air 15s and AK-47s and
12:21
you have to pay them their toll.
12:23
Jeff watches from the back seat
12:26
as one of the guards manning
12:28
the toll booth stands up. and
12:30
slopes over to the SUV. He
12:33
approaches the driver's window and eyeballs
12:35
the passengers, his gaze lingering on
12:37
Jeff, who glances at the rifle
12:40
resting on the man's hip. After
12:42
exchanging a few words with
12:44
DJ, the guard takes the envelope of
12:46
cash and motions for them to carry
12:49
on. And we drove through, we kind
12:51
of waved, I'm in the back seat
12:53
of the truck, with the windows
12:55
rolled up. And my security team is
12:57
in the front with their windows rolled
13:00
down, because if you have your windows
13:02
up in this kind of area, they
13:04
assume you're a threat, and so you'll
13:06
get attacked. A few weeks ago, still at
13:08
home in Florida, Jeff read a
13:10
story in the Miami Herald about
13:12
two American visitors to Haiti who
13:14
were kidnapped here in Martism. The
13:16
news wasn't exactly as shock. Obuctions
13:19
have become a regular occurrence in
13:21
the country, a grim reality of life
13:23
under the gangs. They
13:30
drive on for a while longer. Soon,
13:32
the stretch of disputed territory,
13:34
marking the border between
13:37
Martisan and Porta Pras,
13:39
comes into view. We're almost
13:41
to safety. There's no man's
13:44
land in between Martisan and
13:46
Porta Prince proper. And just
13:48
as we're maybe a couple
13:50
hundred yards away from safety,
13:53
motorcycles roll up alongside us.
13:55
I start to realize, you
13:57
know what, this is not
13:59
good. It
14:01
all happened so quickly. A
14:03
door flies open and a
14:06
masked, armed hijacker jumps in
14:08
alongside Jeff. Another man opens
14:10
the driver door and forces
14:12
DJ to scoot over. Within
14:14
seconds, the SUV has been
14:16
turned around and is heading
14:19
back towards the toll booth.
14:21
I was hopeful that when
14:23
they jumped in, that it
14:25
wasn't what it looked like.
14:27
But when they reach the
14:30
checkpoints, the SUV doesn't stop.
14:32
Instead, the driver turns left
14:34
and starts speeding up, and
14:36
I had about $4,000 US
14:38
on me for the food
14:40
distribution project because we buy
14:43
all kinds of stuff while
14:45
we're doing that. So it's
14:47
hopeful that we could just
14:49
buy my way out of
14:51
the problem. But when they
14:53
reach the checkpoints, the SUV
14:56
doesn't stop. Instead, the driver
14:58
turns left and starts speeding
15:00
uphill through a labyrinth of
15:02
tight, twisting alleys. As you
15:04
go higher up the hill
15:07
in this area, you're going
15:09
deeper into gang territory. So
15:11
imagine in a military environment,
15:13
high ground is advantageous, so
15:15
we're going to high ground,
15:17
and I imagined that we
15:20
were going to where the gang
15:22
kingpins are. Jeff instinctively threw his
15:24
cell phone onto the floor at
15:26
his feet. Now the man next
15:28
to him is demanding he hand
15:30
it over. There's a pile of
15:32
bags in the middle seat, partially
15:35
obstructing the hijacker's view. Using this
15:37
to his advantage, Jeff reaches down
15:39
and pretends he's looking for his
15:41
phone on the floor. In fact,
15:43
he's trying to sneak out a
15:45
text to his contact, a local
15:47
humanitarian coordinator named Bill. With the
15:49
hijacker barking barking orders at him,
15:51
barking orders at him. Jeff frantically
15:54
taps out the letters on the
15:56
touch screen. But before he can
15:58
send his message... I'm reaching down
16:00
trying to get a text out
16:02
and I just can't do it
16:04
in time and he kind of
16:06
within maybe 30 or 45 seconds
16:08
realizes that he needs to work
16:10
harder to get my phone and
16:13
so he starts moving luggage around
16:15
and there's no way for me
16:17
to attend anymore so I have
16:19
to give up my phone. The
16:21
hijacker snatches Jeff's cell phone from
16:23
his hands. Then he reaches over
16:25
and yanks the brim of Jeff's
16:27
baseball cap down over his eyes.
16:32
unable to see where they're going, he
16:34
tries to commit the root to
16:36
memory. But it's impossible to keep track.
16:38
I know that we're being kidnapped, but
16:41
I'm also very optimistic that I can
16:43
get out of it. Because I feel
16:45
like I know enough guys who
16:47
know he's gang leaders at the highest
16:50
levels that they're going to say, no,
16:52
no, no, he's one of our guys
16:54
that does food distributions in our area.
16:57
We want to protect him, you
16:59
know, let him go. Eventually,
17:01
the vehicle comes to a
17:04
stop. Jeff is bundled out
17:06
of the SUV and marched
17:09
towards a low-slung brick building.
17:11
They appear to be in
17:14
some kind of gated compound,
17:16
surrounded by 15-foot walls topped
17:18
with razor wire. It's surprisingly
17:21
lush, with tall leafy trees
17:23
casting dappled shade. There's a
17:26
handful of outbuildings, all spaced
17:28
generously apart. in contrast to
17:31
the cramped shanty town beyond
17:33
the perimeter wall. Armed guards
17:36
in basketball jerseys and flip-flops
17:38
watch them from their posts.
17:41
Voi can take in any
17:43
more of their surroundings. Jeff
17:46
is pushed through a low
17:48
doorway. He, Reggie, and DJ
17:50
are led into a dark
17:53
cramped cell about 10 by
17:55
14 feet. Empty. except for
17:58
two blood-stained mattresses. A
18:00
mouse darts out from behind
18:03
one and scurries across
18:05
the concrete floor. The
18:07
guards pat Jeff down, taking
18:10
his watch, passport, credit
18:12
card, and driver's license
18:15
before leaving the room
18:17
and locking them in. In
18:19
hushed, frightened tones, Jeff consults
18:22
with Reggie and DJ. They reassure
18:24
him that Reggie knows one
18:27
of the gang members. He'll be
18:29
able to pull some strings and
18:31
get them out of your pronto.
18:33
A few moments later, the
18:35
cell door opens and a
18:37
different guard comes in brandishing
18:39
a pistol. A guy comes in and
18:42
inspects one of my security guys
18:44
and he finds some rings, some
18:46
jewelry in his shoe that he
18:48
had obviously been hiding and then
18:51
he begins to beat the heck
18:53
out of this, this guy. just
18:55
of course startling because I was
18:57
I was hopeful for a fairly
19:00
civil business-like you know ability to
19:02
kind of negotiate my way out
19:04
of this and all of a
19:06
sudden I realize I'm in a
19:09
very different environment. The shocked
19:11
dazed Reggie lies on the floor
19:13
and Jeff and DJ quickly attend
19:16
to him but it's not long before
19:18
another gang member in a mask
19:20
strides into the cell. This
19:23
man is well-dressed in
19:25
crisp white jeans and
19:28
a counterfeit designer t-shirt.
19:30
Gold rings gleam on
19:32
his fingers. He must be
19:34
a higher ranking officer in
19:37
the gang. A chef, as they're
19:39
known in the local
19:41
parlance. The chef looks around
19:44
at the three prisoners,
19:46
pausing when he sees Jeff.
19:48
He yells loud blah, which is...
19:50
It's kind of hard to translate it.
19:52
It literally means white, but it really
19:55
means foreigner, right? And he's talking to
19:57
me, right? And he's gloating. He's excited
19:59
that. He's caught me, he's got a
20:01
big fish. I do speak some krail,
20:03
but he gets in my face and
20:06
starts speaking krail to me, and I'm
20:08
just not understanding. He's got a mask
20:10
on, so I can't see his mouth,
20:12
and he's using a lot of slang,
20:14
a lot of gang slang, that I
20:16
don't really understand, a lot of cursing
20:19
that I don't understand. And so I
20:21
look over at one of my security
20:23
guys to translate. Jeff looks over at
20:25
DJ, but he's head down. He's
20:28
pretending to not speak English.
20:30
So he's already, my security
20:32
guy, is already positioning as
20:34
a poor, helpless Haitian. And
20:37
if he speaks English, he's
20:39
essentially saying, I have money
20:41
and I can pay a
20:43
healthy ransom. DJ is thinking
20:45
ahead, focusing on his own
20:47
self-preservation. And as the gangster
20:49
looks Jeff up and down,
20:51
it becomes clear that he
20:53
will have to start doing
20:55
the same thing. It's
21:02
around midday, an hour after their
21:05
arrival at the compound. Jeff is
21:07
being moved to a different
21:09
cell. Why, he doesn't know.
21:11
But for whatever reason, his
21:13
captors have decided to keep
21:15
him separated from Reggie and
21:17
DJ. They march him down
21:19
the corridor to a nearly
21:21
identical second room. There are
21:23
more prisoners inside this cell.
21:25
Two young men and a
21:28
woman. They watch the tall
21:30
blue-eyed American with furtiff. bloodshot
21:32
glances. A string of blinking
21:34
red and blue fairy lights
21:36
hangs from the ceiling. At
21:38
the far end of the
21:40
cell a small adjoining bathroom
21:42
contains a toilet and a
21:44
bucket. When the guards leave
21:46
Jeff introduces himself to his
21:48
fellow captives. To my amazement
21:50
two of them actually all
21:52
three of them speak English
21:54
but two of them are
21:56
actually Americans and I got
21:58
to know their names. And
22:00
I said, wait a second,
22:02
I know this story. I
22:04
read about this in the
22:06
Miami Herald a couple weeks
22:08
ago. Jeff is stunned. The
22:10
smiling faces he remembers from
22:12
the pages of the newspaper,
22:14
look back at him now,
22:16
haggard and drawn. They introduced
22:18
themselves as Abigail and Gene
22:20
Dickens-Tucent, a couple from Florida.
22:22
They were passing through Martisson
22:24
on a bus on their
22:26
way to visit relatives. when
22:29
they were abducted at gunpoint.
22:31
That was a month ago.
22:33
The other prisoner, a young
22:35
Haitian man who introduces himself
22:37
as Kervin, has also been
22:39
here for several weeks. Jeff's
22:41
new cellmates proceed to tell
22:43
him all about the gang's
22:45
methods and motives and motives.
22:47
Evidently this is a kidnap
22:49
for ransom operation. The tussas
22:51
have a negotiator on the
22:53
outside who is speaking directly
22:55
with the kidnappers. trying to
22:57
reach an agreement. Jeff sits
22:59
down on one of the
23:01
filthy mattresses and leans his
23:03
head against the painted cement
23:05
wall. Being trapped here for
23:07
a night would be bad
23:09
enough, let alone a whole
23:11
month. But he still got
23:13
a potential get-out-of-jail-free card in
23:15
the shape of Bill. His
23:17
colleague with connections to the
23:19
gang leadership. As soon as
23:21
they let him place his
23:23
first phone call, Bill will
23:25
come to the rescue. Later
23:33
that afternoon, the two sons sit
23:35
up, suddenly alert. A month in
23:37
confinement has sharpened the couple senses.
23:39
They could detect so much with
23:41
just their hearing alone, and so
23:43
when they kind of got their
23:45
eyes big at some of the
23:47
sounds, they said, what's going on?
23:50
They said, what do you mean
23:52
more people? They're like, like you,
23:54
right? New kidnappers, new victims, is
23:56
what they were trying to say
23:58
to me. Sure enough,
24:00
moments later, the cell door
24:02
squeaks open. The new victims start
24:05
piling into the room. There's five
24:07
of them, two females and
24:09
three males, all come flooding into
24:12
the room. The new prisoners
24:14
are all young Haitians. Shortly
24:16
after their arrival, the three men
24:18
are taken into the first cell,
24:21
where DJ and Reggie are being
24:23
held. The two women stay here
24:25
with Jeff, Kevin, and the two
24:27
sons. Their names
24:29
are Sarah and Stephanie, their
24:31
co-workers, who were kidnapped on
24:33
their way home from the office. The
24:35
two women sit down on a
24:38
mattress against the opposite wall. Jeff
24:40
looks around at the faces of
24:42
his fellow prisoners. He doesn't
24:44
know these people, but there
24:47
is an instant profound sense
24:49
of solidarity among the hostages.
24:51
It's important to understand how
24:53
important your fellow captives become.
24:56
to you and your survival.
24:58
I remember, I think he
25:00
was on probably day one
25:02
or day two, somebody made
25:05
the comment, well, we're going
25:07
to know each other for
25:09
the rest of our lives
25:11
now, right, because of how unforgettable
25:15
that trauma is. That evening,
25:17
a guard enters the cell
25:19
and tosses Jeff his cell
25:21
phone. He's allowed to make
25:23
one call. He's allowed to
25:25
make one call. He
25:28
dials Bill. By now, through
25:30
the course of his conversations
25:33
with his cellmates,
25:35
Jeff has worked out
25:37
that he's been kidnapped
25:39
by a local kingpin
25:41
called Telepli. He communicates
25:43
this Intel to Bill, but
25:45
with the guard listening
25:47
in, he has to tread lightly.
25:49
So I send that. message to
25:52
Bill over the phone and I
25:54
coded it. So Tlopli means little
25:56
rain and krail. And so I
25:58
translated that as small. precipitation, right?
26:00
So a small precipitation has captured
26:03
me. Do you get my meeting?
26:05
He's like, yeah, I know exactly
26:07
what you're talking about. I know
26:09
where you are. There's little else
26:12
Jeff can do. The word is
26:14
out now. He just has to
26:16
pray Bill comes through for him.
26:19
He slumps against the wall and
26:21
pulls his knees up to his
26:23
chest. As his fellow hostages lie
26:25
down to sleep, Jeff sits there,
26:28
wide awake. So frightening. It's a
26:30
strange realization to go from free
26:32
to captive and to not only
26:34
be captive, but to think that
26:37
your life is in jeopardy. I
26:39
know kidnapping, about 20% of kidnapping
26:41
victims are killed in the process.
26:44
Or whatever reason the families don't
26:46
pay enough ransom or something goes
26:48
awry and the gangs have to
26:50
keep up there. reputations in order
26:53
to get people to pay ransom
26:55
and so that they have to
26:57
kill some of them. And so
27:00
you know that going in and
27:02
you hope that the calculus plays
27:04
out in your favor so that
27:06
they see you as more valuable
27:09
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27:11
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three days later. Jeff paces
28:42
restlessly around his cell, listening
28:45
out for approaching guards. The
28:47
last 72 hours have been
28:49
deathly monotonous. A nightmarish blur
28:51
of little sleep and less
28:53
food. There have, however, been
28:55
some positive developments. Firstly, the
28:57
Tussans have been released. Two
28:59
days ago, a guard came
29:01
to tell them that a
29:03
ransom had been agreed, and
29:05
they were being driven to
29:07
the designated location to make
29:09
the exchange. Assuming the gang
29:11
is true to their word,
29:14
the release of the Tussans
29:16
gives Jeff reason to hope.
29:18
Plus, with the money they
29:20
received in exchange for the
29:22
couple's freedom, the gang has
29:24
provided the remaining four prisoners.
29:26
with a few modest creature
29:28
comforts. They bought us a
29:30
fan, which was great, and
29:32
gave us fitted sheets for
29:34
these nasty, bloody, bug-infested addresses.
29:36
So it felt like we
29:38
were headed to relative luxury.
29:40
Jeff has also been able
29:42
to speak to his wife,
29:45
Mary. She was notified of
29:47
his kidnapping by the U.S.
29:49
Embassy in Haiti, who Bill
29:51
must have contacted on day
29:53
one. Mary is of course
29:55
beside herself with worry, but Jeff has
29:57
tried to reassure her saying that he's
29:59
coping. and we'll try to be back
30:02
with her and the kids soon.
30:04
And so I was able
30:06
to communicate that to my wife,
30:08
like, I'm okay, right? I'm not,
30:10
you know, strapped to a torture
30:12
chamber, you know, I'm okay, right,
30:14
I'm gonna be fine, and I
30:16
was trying so hard to communicate
30:18
that to my wife, but she
30:21
wasn't buying it. As well as
30:23
speaking to Mary, Jeff has been
30:25
back on the phone with Bill. But
30:27
their last conversation... wasn't
30:30
comforting. Bill sounded shifty
30:32
and evasive, as if the
30:34
influence he claimed to have
30:36
over the gang leadership wasn't
30:39
quite as clear-cut as he
30:41
promised. Bill has given Jeff
30:43
another phone number. Somebody, he
30:45
says, will be able to
30:47
negotiate his release. But after
30:49
calling this number repeatedly,
30:51
he hasn't been able to
30:54
get through. He's running out of
30:56
patience with Bill, and soon...
30:58
the gang will run out
31:00
of patience with Jeff. I
31:02
realize he's not going to
31:04
be able to help me,
31:06
that he's giving me this
31:09
contact that's not answering the
31:11
phone and it's just breaking
31:13
down. And so I realize
31:15
that my get out of
31:17
jail free cards have failed and
31:19
I need to find a new
31:22
negotiator. They should be able to
31:24
speak some Creel. and they need
31:26
to know the logistics of conducting
31:29
a ransom exchange. There is only
31:31
one person he knows who meets
31:33
all these criteria. I just didn't
31:35
know anyone like that except me.
31:38
I was the most qualified person
31:40
I could imagine on how much
31:42
I would need to pay and
31:45
to home and how to logistically
31:47
make that happen. I am the
31:49
most qualified operator on all of
31:51
those things that I know. So
31:53
why don't I just negotiate for
31:55
myself. Later
31:59
that day, Jeff asks his captors
32:01
if he can barter on his
32:04
own behalf. They agree. On the
32:06
afternoon of his fourth day in
32:08
captivity, a guard escorts him from
32:11
the cell. As he follows the
32:13
man down the corridor, Jeff has
32:15
to suppress the urge to make
32:18
a break for it. It's hard
32:20
to quantify how powerful the drive
32:22
to get home is, to get
32:25
home to your family. You have
32:27
to be talking yourself out of
32:29
attacking these guards often. Because they
32:32
come into the room and they're
32:34
tiny. And a lot of military
32:36
training, these are not trained individuals.
32:39
I'm at that time was probably
32:41
250 pounds and 6 foot 2
32:43
and these guys are 135 pounds.
32:46
But you have to really suppress
32:48
those thoughts because that's obviously a...
32:50
terrible idea. Yeah, you can get
32:53
through that guard, but then there's
32:55
200 soldiers within a mile of
32:57
this place that are all armed,
33:00
where you're going to go. Yeah,
33:02
you can get outside the building
33:04
within one. Like it or not,
33:07
Jeff is going to have to
33:09
play by the rules. The gang
33:11
member takes him into a kind
33:14
of kitchen area, stripped bare, except
33:16
for a small forma table and
33:18
a couple of chairs. All this
33:21
time... Jeff has been anticipating a
33:23
business-like negotiation. He'll say a number,
33:25
they'll go and run it by
33:28
their boss, then come back and
33:30
counter, etc. But he soon sees
33:32
the naivety of that assumption. What
33:35
really happens is they come with
33:37
shock treatments and they've got packing
33:39
tape that they're going to take
33:42
me up with and they set
33:44
it on the counter and they're,
33:46
you know, they're buzzing the taser,
33:49
you know, which is a really
33:51
loud, scary noise, right? while negotiating
33:53
with me. The gang member aggressively
33:56
demands two million dollars, a ludicrously
33:58
large sum. He's
34:00
probably just high-balling, setting the
34:02
ceiling absurdly high to force
34:04
Jeff to cough up more.
34:06
So he counters. Maybe he
34:08
can scrounge together 30,000. The
34:10
man fixes Jeff with a
34:12
menacing glare, then motions again
34:14
towards the taser and packing
34:16
tape. Jeff quickly blurts out
34:18
another offer, 50,000. This is
34:20
met with another shake of
34:22
the head, another sinister stare.
34:24
Eventually, I say something like,
34:26
you know, I think I
34:28
might be able to scrape
34:30
together a hundred grand, and
34:32
that's the number that they
34:34
kind of glom on to.
34:36
Like, if you can come
34:38
up to that number, we
34:40
won't torture you, and we'll
34:42
let you go. The gangster
34:44
hands Jeff his cell phone.
34:46
Time to start gathering the
34:48
money. As he dials, he
34:50
kicks himself over his negotiating
34:53
tactics. He gave away too
34:55
much too soon, but there's
34:57
no going back now. The
35:00
first person he calls is
35:02
a security contractor in Haiti
35:04
who Jeff calls Gunny. When
35:06
he picks up, he already
35:08
knows about Jeff's situation. Evidently,
35:10
Mary has been phoning around
35:12
her husband's contacts, mobilizing a
35:15
support team. Jeff is going
35:17
to need to wire the
35:19
100,000 from his American accounts
35:21
across to Gunny's Haitian bank
35:23
account. He agrees to withdraw
35:25
the cash and act as
35:27
Korea. Next, Jeff calls his
35:29
brother-in-law, Aaron. Aaron
35:31
has handled investments for
35:33
him in the past
35:36
and has access to
35:38
his finances. Jeff asks
35:40
him to wire the
35:43
cash to Gunny. He
35:45
thanks his brother-in-law and
35:47
hangs up the phone.
35:50
Having placed his calls,
35:52
Jeff is led back
35:54
down the corridor and
35:57
returned to his cell.
36:00
One hundred thousand dollars. Transferring
36:02
such a large sum of
36:05
money internationally won't be instantaneous.
36:07
It will be flagged and
36:09
reported, and Aaron will have
36:11
to explain everything to US
36:13
customs. This will take time.
36:15
The fan in the corner
36:17
oscillates slowly, pushing a weak
36:19
breeze through the warm stale
36:21
air. Jeff closes his eyes.
36:23
His freedom is now in
36:25
the hands of others. He
36:27
trusts his people, but communication
36:29
is going to be fragmented
36:31
and frustrating. It began a
36:34
massive amount of confusion between
36:36
me and my team on
36:38
the outside. It was so
36:40
hard for us to communicate
36:42
clearly, one with another. They
36:44
presumed that I was always
36:46
under duress, meaning at gunpoint,
36:48
being forced to say certain
36:50
things, because that is the
36:52
case in many kidnapping scenarios.
36:54
but that was not the
36:56
case here because they didn't
36:58
speak English and none of
37:01
my game captors spoke English.
37:03
I was essentially able to
37:05
speak freely the whole time
37:07
that I was there, but
37:09
my team never believed that.
37:11
In hostage negotiations, the protocol
37:13
is to assume any communication
37:15
with the captive is being
37:17
monitored or controlled by the
37:19
kidnappers. That's the assumption Jeff's
37:21
team on the outside is
37:23
making. They're doing things by
37:25
the book. It's the only
37:28
way. A
37:30
few days after first speaking
37:32
to him, Aaron breaks some
37:34
bad news. He can't get
37:36
hold of the 100,000. All
37:38
they can scrape together is
37:40
a relatively meagre 13 grand.
37:42
Jeff places more frantic calls
37:44
to other contacts, but again
37:47
communication breaks down. Nobody believes
37:49
that he is literally asking
37:51
for a hundred thousand dollars.
37:53
They assume they're negotiating with
37:55
criminals, and they won't simply
37:57
concede to their first demand.
38:00
But Jeff tries to make it
38:02
clear that the gang isn't making
38:04
empty threats. After his own
38:07
negotiation, he witnessed the torture
38:09
of his fellow hostage Stephanie.
38:11
The threat of more pain
38:14
hangs in the air. The gang
38:16
is deadly serious. If his team
38:18
can't secure the ransom, Jeff's
38:20
options are running thin. And
38:23
he may have to go
38:25
down a different, rather more
38:27
drastic end. Jeff
38:35
is now well over a week
38:37
into his captivity. By this stage,
38:39
he knows every corner of this
38:42
cell inside out. In terms of security,
38:44
it's not exactly Fort
38:46
Knox. The ceiling is a
38:48
grid of interlocking T-bars and
38:51
lightweight panels, easy enough to
38:53
remove. Trouble is, the roof
38:55
itself is made of corrugated
38:57
tin sheets bolted together.
38:59
Trying to climb across them
39:01
would be extremely precarious
39:03
and noisy. The
39:06
cell door is flimsy, wooden
39:08
balsam, but again there's no way
39:10
to break it down quietly, and
39:12
the guards' living quarters are just
39:15
beyond it, where they spend all
39:17
day blasting music and drinking.
39:19
As for windows, there are three.
39:21
Two in the main cell, one in
39:23
the bathroom. After discussing various
39:26
options with his fellow prisoners,
39:28
Jeff concludes that if he's going
39:30
to break out, then one of
39:32
the three windows presents the
39:34
likeliest root. Windows are covered
39:37
in bars, both horizontal bars
39:39
and then diagonal bars that
39:41
kind of create these trapezoidal
39:44
shapes. It was through well-made
39:46
bars. And so I was
39:48
going to have to figure
39:50
out a way to bend those
39:52
bars. Jeff closes his fists
39:55
around the iron bars and
39:57
gives them a strong tug. They
39:59
hold firm. barely a millimeter
40:01
of give, but at least now
40:03
he has a problem to solve,
40:05
something to keep him occupied. Over
40:08
the course of the next few
40:10
days, Jeff workshops various solutions to
40:12
the problem. Then, one afternoon, while
40:15
staring at the defunct ceiling fan,
40:17
he gets a brainwave. On the
40:19
inside of that fan, they've got
40:22
copper coils, you know, that make
40:24
it spin. And... that idea of
40:26
those, the copper coils wrapped around
40:29
and around and around, having greater
40:31
strength, got my brain thinking, okay,
40:33
if I could just find some
40:35
sort of a rope, I knew
40:38
the copper wouldn't work because copper
40:40
breaks really easily. But if I
40:42
could find something around to make
40:45
rope out of, then maybe I
40:47
could exert enough force on these
40:49
bars to pry them open. He
40:52
starts looking around the cell for
40:54
makeshift solutions. His gaze
40:56
falls on one of the
40:58
mattresses on the floor. Specifically,
41:00
the length of nylon ribbing
41:02
stitched along the uppermost edge.
41:04
Maybe, by looping the nylon
41:06
string around the bars and
41:09
twisting, he could exert enough
41:11
pressure to bend them. I
41:13
cut the nylon ribbing off
41:15
and I pull it and
41:17
it rips, which was super
41:19
disappointing. It killed my plan.
41:21
The brittle fibres come apart
41:23
in Jeff's fingers. He drops
41:25
them onto the floor, his
41:27
great escape in tatters. Then
41:29
his eyes shift across to
41:31
the other mattress, this one
41:33
notably newer and less frayed
41:35
than its counterpart. It's worth
41:37
a shot. And so I
41:39
pulled that nylon ribbing off
41:41
and tried that and it
41:43
was much stronger. Like, okay,
41:45
this might work. And so
41:47
one day, in the gut,
41:49
like the guards were away,
41:51
I snuck into the bathroom
41:53
and took my nylon, my
41:56
new nylon. and wrapped it
41:58
around those bars and then
42:00
stuck a piece of metal
42:02
that I had, it was
42:04
a curtain rod that I
42:06
stole from another one of
42:08
the windows and was able
42:10
to twist it like a
42:12
tourniquet in order to pull
42:14
the bars close together and
42:16
it worked. Jeff rotates the
42:18
curtain rod winding the nylon
42:20
rope tighter and tighter until
42:22
the iron bars flex under
42:24
the pressure bending inwards like
42:26
a bow tie. Pleased
42:29
with his handiwork, Jeff lets
42:31
go. He doesn't want to
42:34
reshape the bars too much
42:36
or the guards will notice.
42:39
He just wants to establish
42:41
that it's possible. That if
42:43
desperate measures are required, at
42:46
least he has a backup
42:48
plan. At this stage, negotiating
42:50
his release is still plan
42:53
A. He's continuing to communicate.
42:55
with Aaron, Mary, Gunny and
42:58
others on the outside, hoping
43:00
that someone will come through
43:02
with the money. For their
43:05
part, Jeff's team has started
43:07
urging him to employ an
43:09
outside negotiator, an experienced professional,
43:12
who can perhaps bring the
43:14
ransom price down. Because as
43:17
Jeff approaches the two-week mark,
43:19
the gang remain resolute in
43:21
their demands. And if he
43:24
isn't able to meet those
43:26
demands, then he will eventually
43:28
become less of an asset
43:31
to them and more of
43:33
a burden. For now, he's
43:36
still more valuable to his
43:38
kidnappers alive than dead. The
43:40
question is, how much longer
43:43
will that be the case?
43:45
Jeff lies on his side facing
43:47
the wall. His stomach growls with
43:49
hunger. His mouth is parched and
43:52
his teeth feel rough from weeks
43:54
without brushing. As he enters his
43:56
third week in captivity, there is
43:59
still no... sign of the $100,000.
44:01
His team are resisting and
44:03
Jeff has begun to
44:05
understand why. It's not that they're
44:07
being careless with his life. It's
44:10
that the professionals who Mary
44:12
and Aaron have consulted have
44:14
all advised a tougher negotiation.
44:17
By giving the gang what they
44:19
want at the first time
44:21
of asking, there's every chance
44:23
they'll refuse to release Jeff
44:25
and demand more money. Eventually.
44:28
he decides to trust the
44:30
team that his wife has
44:32
assembled. I said before that
44:34
I could only imagine myself
44:36
being qualified to negotiate and
44:38
understand the dynamics of Haiti
44:40
and the language and how to logistically
44:43
move money and how to safely actually
44:45
do an exchange and all of that.
44:47
I couldn't imagine other people knowing how
44:49
to do that. Well, my wife had
44:52
put together a team of people more
44:54
qualified than me to do that very
44:56
thing. I start to figure it out.
44:59
Like, hey, I think this team she's
45:01
putting together might be pretty good, might
45:03
be qualified to take this off of
45:05
my shoulders, so I don't have to
45:08
be this idiot on the inside.
45:10
Jeff finally agrees to turn the
45:12
negotiations over to his outside team.
45:15
When the guard next brings him
45:17
his cell phone, he speaks with
45:19
Gunny, who introduces him to a
45:21
local negotiator named Billy, who
45:24
seems well equipped to handle
45:26
the gang. I quiz him
45:28
a little bit on his background
45:30
and become convinced, okay, I think
45:32
I've got a qualified team. And
45:34
he says, okay, let me have the
45:37
ball. Stop screwing around Jeff. And I
45:39
said, okay, but you've got to understand
45:41
I've committed to this 100K number.
45:43
Billy tells Jeff that he'll handle
45:46
it. He'll inform the gang that
45:48
US customs have blocked the 100,000
45:50
from getting into Haiti. If they
45:52
want their payday, they'll have to
45:54
agree to a lower amount. Jeff agrees
45:57
to the new strategy. When
46:00
the guard comes back, Jeff
46:02
tells him that from now
46:04
on his negotiations will be
46:07
handled by others. The guard
46:09
snatches the phone from his
46:11
hand and stalks back out
46:13
of the cell. The next
46:15
few days are an agonizing
46:17
wait for news. Over the
46:19
course of his three weeks
46:21
in captivity, Jeff has been
46:23
able to observe certain patterns
46:25
in the gang's behavior. He's
46:27
reached a point where he
46:29
can predict their next move.
46:31
I've seen this. I've seen
46:33
this. cycle that happens with
46:35
the games where they get
46:37
money from a ransom payment
46:39
and they're thrilled and they
46:41
use the money and they
46:43
buy bullets and drugs and
46:45
food and then it runs
46:47
out and then somebody else
46:49
gets out, right? Somebody gets
46:51
released and they get more
46:53
ransom money and there's this
46:55
pattern and it was about
46:57
a week at a time.
46:59
It's like they wanted weekend
47:01
money, right? A couple of
47:03
weeks back, Kervin was released.
47:05
Then, about a week ago,
47:07
a ransom was agreed for
47:09
the release of Sarah. If
47:12
the pattern that Jeff has
47:14
observed is correct, then another
47:16
hostage release should be imminent.
47:18
It's just him and Stephanie
47:20
left now. He spends each
47:22
day pacing the cell. His
47:24
heartbeat increasing every time he
47:26
hears a guard's approaching footsteps.
47:28
Could it finally be his
47:30
turn? Then, towards the end
47:32
of his fourth week in
47:34
captivity. Sure enough that pattern
47:36
comes up around day 26,
47:38
day 27, and my team
47:40
gets an agreement. The next
47:42
day, a guard comes to
47:44
tell Jeff that his courier
47:46
is bringing the ransom. Once
47:48
they receive the cash, they'll
47:50
drive back up to the
47:52
compound to release him. Optimism
47:54
builds. The nightmare appears to
47:56
be ending. So my
47:58
team came and they They
48:00
did the drop, they made
48:03
the payment, and the normal
48:05
MO is for once your
48:07
courier drops the cash to
48:09
the game, they then take
48:11
that money back up the
48:13
hill to the fort and
48:15
they count the money and
48:17
they decide whether or not
48:19
they're going to let you
48:21
go. Jeff spends the morning
48:23
of day 28 in a
48:25
state of high alert and
48:27
heightened anxiety. He listens out
48:29
for vehicles, but nothing comes
48:31
for ours, until eventually... The
48:33
door flies open and several
48:35
guards barge into the cell.
48:37
Jeff jumps to his feet,
48:39
shoes on, ready to go.
48:41
If he had a bag,
48:43
it would be packed. But
48:45
something is clearly wrong. The
48:47
guards appear to be angry,
48:49
agitated. They're shouting and gesticulating
48:51
with their guns. Slowly, a
48:53
new possibility presents itself. Perhaps
48:55
the guards aren't angry. Perhaps
48:57
they're excited. Slowly Jeff manages
48:59
to piece together what they
49:01
are saying. They're yelling. You
49:03
know, I was having a
49:05
hard time following it, but
49:07
they essentially said, we got
49:09
the money, but we're not
49:11
letting you go. They said,
49:13
wait, wait, wait, didn't you
49:15
have an agreement? They said,
49:17
yeah, we had an agreement.
49:19
We had the court. Did
49:21
they pay the amount that
49:24
you agreed to? Yes, but
49:26
it's not enough. And we're
49:28
going to... beat you and
49:30
torture you until you pay
49:32
the hundred thousand. The guards
49:34
leave the cell. Jeff collapses
49:36
onto an upturned bucket and
49:38
stares off into space. Sitting
49:40
on her mattress across the
49:42
cell, Stephanie watches him with
49:44
sympathy in her eyes. Perhaps
49:46
the only person in the
49:48
world right now who can
49:50
understand his despair and disappointment.
49:54
Jeff looks back at his cellmate.
49:56
Her hair matted and disheveled, bruises
49:58
on her arms. Then
50:01
Jeff turns his head
50:03
and points his gaze
50:06
towards the bathroom window.
50:08
I was sitting on
50:10
a bucket right by
50:12
the door and I
50:14
looked across at that
50:16
western window that I
50:19
was planning to escape
50:21
from and decided
50:23
right there that I guess
50:25
if we're not going out
50:27
the door we're going out the
50:29
window. We return to Jeff as
50:32
he prepares to make his daring
50:34
bid for freedom. In the dead of
50:36
night, with the guards distracted, he'll
50:38
commit to the prison break. But
50:41
even with careful preparation, it seems
50:43
cursed from the outset. Can he
50:45
overcome the many obstacles in his
50:47
path and escape into the jungle?
50:50
Or will he be caught? And
50:52
if so, what punishment awaits? That's
51:00
next time on Real Survival Stories.
51:02
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