The Impossible Escape From America’s Most Secure Prison | Escape From Alcatraz

The Impossible Escape From America’s Most Secure Prison | Escape From Alcatraz

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0:00

Is a Rooster

0:02

Teeth production?

0:10

It

0:11

was known as the world's most secure prison,

0:13

The Rock. sitting

0:15

in the san francisco bay surrounded by

0:17

the freezing currents of the pacific ocean it

0:19

was a fortress from which there was no

0:21

escape but on june twelfth

0:24

nineteen sixty two for

0:26

men hatched a plan to do just that

0:28

today we explore the compelling story

0:31

of the escape from alcatraz this

0:35

redwall

0:43

welcome back to another mystery monday

0:45

task force i'm your host have a college and with me

0:47

as always alfredo di as dude

0:50

you talk in my home town you're talking

0:52

the rock which are my ss and not

0:54

dwayne the rock johnson all those i

0:56

won't probably also be inescapable yeah no

0:58

that makes and know you're talking about talking

1:00

very famous prison famous prison long

1:02

island in the bay area and

1:05

it's what your this this was in nineteen

1:07

sixty two or so when the heyday

1:09

of alcatraz i mean i start a sorry

1:11

a lot of alcatraz because like like twenty years

1:13

later there was on former

1:16

general francis hmong who

1:18

took a bunch hostages on the rock

1:20

and then threatened to actually

1:23

induce like chemical warfare upon

1:26

like us soil and then that's when

1:28

they had stanley goodspeed who was a bio

1:30

chemical engineer way it was a

1:33

lot are serious in missouri there and

1:35

in john mason down

1:37

with a former inmate in they had them

1:39

come in lights that was the numbers guy

1:41

right

1:42

yeah the accountant years ago numbers

1:45

the know why you wanna go i'm surprised you remember

1:47

that guy compelling be for history yeah

1:49

i was like me august because i lived

1:51

in the bay area i know i was he's gotta

1:53

know crazy was my mentor was taught

1:56

in the schools ryan right what was

1:58

that what was the drill

2:00

when this was going down you know they'd say yellow alert

2:02

the know in uganda

2:04

the golden rules i won't there

2:06

was is mostly just docked in covers

2:08

there's really much the will like we didn't find out later

2:10

on and so like you know if the chemical dispersants

2:12

of the air there's nothing we can really do

2:15

that ain't a question john

2:17

mason stanley goodspeed stopped

2:19

the the rope and as a woman

2:22

were national here the movie

2:24

or we talk about black ops

2:26

can't call of duty

2:29

which which of these i don't i don't know these day

2:31

while a historian michael bay

2:33

did a as high as yeah to the

2:36

, iraq ah

2:40

or yourself and i was browsing

2:42

on christmas every item for like

2:45

of you know you did a very legitimate

2:47

reason to pull it off for the first off all

2:49

was real enough that i was like okay no no no

2:51

this is something off of

2:54

an omelette of runs into the rock sort of an february

2:56

were like oh

2:58

yeah darryl there's no no no

3:01

you know what we do here on rooster teeth

3:03

nine one movie part has out mysteries

3:06

username and i was like a

3:08

sounds million any remorse like he took him

3:10

off his own like the when

3:12

you say good spiegel like the whole on them

3:15

again then i then i heard mace and then

3:17

i started going with this call of duty black ops like

3:19

what's happening are if he saw encounter for yes

3:21

so this is a pretty infamous case

3:23

i'm sure a lot of people know about it but there's a lot

3:25

of details that you know that's what were your for granted

3:28

on cover all those filthy dirty details

3:30

but we're in a walk through this in a in a particular order

3:33

a lot of people dive right into the strategizing

3:35

the plane and how it all went together we're gonna walk

3:37

through exactly what went down that

3:39

night now guards prospective go

3:41

into the investigation kind of they

3:43

normal person literally in

3:45

the sixties would have lived this and

3:47

then kind of looking back on history

3:49

goes through however they actually shook

3:52

out there is a fourth individual

3:54

that is a part of this three person

3:56

party at what kind of talk about

3:58

and that's how we got all these

4:00

the information yeah says to the rock

4:02

was was a be inescapable

4:04

yes the alcatraz prison

4:06

was said to be completely inescapable and

4:08

it was because the used to be a for

4:10

used to be a for because right sf was

4:13

definitely a military base

4:15

i mean you can still see a lot of those bunkers to this

4:17

day i we have like four mason annoyance

4:19

of this like yeah yeah and

4:21

so that was remodeled into this prison and

4:24

then are obviously the very very

4:26

cold waters that would get into like maybe

4:28

the forties and the tai fung of i

4:30

like lawyer out and i you know

4:32

two miles off the closest coast sometimes

4:35

it's it's been said that great whites have been seen

4:37

in the bay yep or that they at least

4:40

they don't live there but they come paris yelling professor

4:42

so there's a lot of reasons why this this

4:44

place is inescapable frail

4:46

a good luck swimming two miles inflict

4:49

occurring in freezing cold temperature

4:51

at my now people will

4:53

be able to make that absolutely not yeah in

4:55

fact and we're not going to go into all the stories

4:57

but i think it's sad about fifty some odd

4:59

people over the course of alcatraz

5:01

as history to have tried to escape many

5:03

of them failed many of them also

5:06

had passed away in trying to do so

5:08

so these three that we're talking about here today

5:10

in particular are the standout case

5:12

just due to the very nature of not

5:14

knowing how it went did they make

5:17

it right did they not make it in if they didn't

5:19

how that go down all of the questions we will

5:21

talk about okay but the let's dive into

5:23

other me wind your mind back to june

5:26

twelfth and nineteen sixty two the guards

5:28

of alcatraz we're going about their normal routine

5:30

in the morning checking bags and when

5:32

they checked in on these three particular convicts

5:34

they found that after prodding them several times

5:37

they weren't waking up then they poked

5:39

one of them in the head with their stick reading through the bars

5:42

the tumbles this fake

5:44

head as it hits the floor these three

5:46

convex for john anglin and his

5:48

brother clarence as well as frank morris

5:51

to talk about frank morris back

5:53

in january of nineteen sixty is when he

5:55

arrived at alcatraz after being convicted

5:58

of bank robbery burglary the and

6:00

repeated attempts to escape various prisons

6:03

and various other crimes as well in fact

6:05

he had previously broken out of a

6:07

louisiana prison where he had been serving

6:09

time for a bank robbery and was

6:11

then subsequently sent to alcatraz because

6:14

of this history of driveway get a

6:16

man first off wouldn't

6:19

do anything woods and me to prison

6:21

they'll be like i'm looking for the best behavior

6:23

early out sort of situation i like

6:26

five hundred i just ordinary as the

6:28

a million i'm i'm

6:30

always acting like i'm never wanna do anything

6:32

that you know like my us are

6:35

okay so your rules before punish right

6:37

on it might if i was the be sent

6:39

to prison her

6:40

i wouldn't even know where to begin to try and break

6:42

out list i see how do you break out of a bruising

6:45

that is a very good question that like looking

6:47

back into the past and thinking about it you think it's

6:50

fanciful cause you seen it move in movies

6:52

and like right that's too good to be reality

6:54

but we'll dive into how they did it at alcatraz

6:56

but i'm the same i'm in a nurse

6:58

a boat where do you begin word you begin

7:01

i guess i would try to

7:04

the the timing of the guards in the shift

7:06

say i were the cameras are and

7:09

then see like what time so i

7:11

kinda have to myself and weird

7:13

the whole thing for a fence side so i don't

7:15

like well hunters have no

7:18

idea how you just going on is going to risk escapist

7:20

fortress that's built to contain me right

7:23

or and and also like i'm kinda glad that

7:25

the whole like making a little dummy

7:27

body and your bad as following

7:30

that actually have to go allowance you have the movies

7:32

and i go from my to modify it all yeah

7:34

and there is a lot going on with this escape

7:37

and for any of the things that are a visual

7:39

as always going to post photos of those

7:41

at red web potter you can check us out and watch

7:43

this on you tube at

7:45

redwood pot on there as well and we will

7:47

provide those visuals but yeah i

7:49

mean maybe i'm in the camp where i

7:51

and of overthinking it and not having been in a prison

7:54

right so i think you know very jack sparrow

7:57

marooned on an island like limits harvests

7:59

my back karen round up a couple

8:01

sea turtles you know like that's where my

8:03

mind starts going to start thinking like ah

8:06

maybe if the moon phase is just so like maybe

8:08

i'm just overcook it it you know i think the

8:10

army i think you need overcook it maybe

8:13

it's best to just under think it maybe maybe

8:15

just think like justified are just as regular

8:17

phone for it that you know they got faults

8:19

they got blind spots are they are thousand for

8:21

say they might be able to be bribed even

8:25

i mean come on a guy be corrupt prison up their

8:27

absolute some people that are higher up

8:29

in the crime industry have a little

8:31

bit of it is easier behind

8:34

bars

8:35

this is what chris i'm near me there are just

8:38

for scrutiny been elysium but in the clink like

8:40

we don't need to dive into my history has ever

8:43

since , was always jesus as

8:45

opposed to say we got an incisive right

8:48

okay for arnold you're going to be better about

8:50

vet and ssssss are

8:52

we did that's where i liked about all

8:54

right let's jump into the other two that we're going

8:56

to talk about kids again there is a fourth i'm not a growing

8:58

them but let's dive into the other two so later that

9:00

year a man named john england was also

9:02

sent to alcatraz along with his brother

9:05

clearance who then joined later

9:07

they're in early nineteen sixty one

9:10

very briefly all kind of talk about these

9:12

folks so january seventeenth acting fifty

9:14

eight johnny clarence england along with her older

9:16

brother alfred all robbed

9:18

alabama's bank of columbia the

9:20

use plastic firearms in order to escape with

9:23

over eighteen thousand dollars in cash

9:25

this way they were all caught and arrested five days

9:27

later in ohio they all three went to

9:29

prison john and clearance ended up

9:31

going to prison in kansas where clearance attempt

9:34

to escape by smuggling himself out

9:36

into enormous boxes that

9:39

also tried to run from chain gangs

9:41

and in nineteen sixties eventually all

9:44

these things collided to make prison

9:46

officials essentially say okay we're going to send

9:48

these two brothers in particular over to alcatraz

9:50

where they will not be able to realize

9:52

their dreams of escape yeah and then alfred

9:55

will be a tertiary brother out

9:57

in the wild of the prison lance

9:59

so that's where we get the three that's

10:01

how they all arrived at alcatraz

10:04

and putting to the chase i mean

10:06

they all three previously knew each other

10:08

from shared imprisonment at

10:10

the atlanta penitentiary of

10:13

course the to were brothers so they right and

10:16

again jumping to the case the three were

10:18

placed in adjacent cells and alcatraz

10:20

which gave them the your ability to talk

10:22

and discuss and plan what the

10:26

be

10:27

philly yeah yeah because

10:29

not only subarus it's like okay

10:31

you have a bunch of people are you going to be comfortable

10:33

because they're sitting next to there's an

10:35

jamais whatever right there is a good

10:37

they could plan for like brawls reno

10:40

prison fighting cetera but these are

10:42

people right who have actually

10:44

tried to escape from a prison you putting him next

10:46

to each other

10:47

we are you mad not everybody at alcatraz

10:49

has some sort of history to their all their

10:52

yeah so i think the two brothers been next

10:54

to each other is a bit egregious that's where i start

10:56

to go okay that is silly to they

10:58

definitely know each other i saw a guy just

11:00

especially if it's like people that i've tried to escape

11:03

any know each other none of the next to each other

11:06

right oh yes it just kind of like you know what i'll be

11:08

safe who know just in gray's lake

11:10

sure you can soften the of yard

11:12

time outside time they're gonna talk to put

11:15

it there literally next to each other it's whispered

11:17

to each other all night as leans back and

11:19

forth and maybe i don't know depending on the other

11:22

cells are and stuff like that but like i

11:24

, i know as a precaution how to done

11:26

that also eighteen grand immensely

11:29

since they're mad whenever my

11:31

good as being

11:33

granted being like or only get to suffer for

11:36

years of thing let's of thing it back on their

11:38

cells because a lot of people like to say that they replace

11:40

together and they were but there's a lot of other

11:42

nuance within that i'm not sure how their

11:44

cells were when they first got there but

11:46

i do know that and will

11:49

get into the planning and and all the plot development

11:51

but jumping to that kind

11:53

of points they knew after kind of

11:56

knowing this prison a little bit that there was a

11:58

a great on the roofs the shaft

12:00

that went up to the roof they had a weak spot

12:03

and again cutting to the chase they knew that

12:05

and so they all individually put in a petition

12:07

or a form to have

12:09

a cell swat and all of their

12:12

asks to move to different cell were

12:14

permitted they were granted so that's

12:16

where it really becomes agree discuss not only did

12:18

they do finally put them all together they

12:20

they were put into the prison and eventually they were like

12:22

we all want to go to cellblock be essentially

12:25

was cool got it and

12:27

then they approved it and off they went so now

12:29

they're all together that is so

12:31

either altogether than a move together so

12:33

they weren't altogether out and that's

12:36

where i get a little hairy on my knowledge there

12:38

i had merit but a lot

12:40

of that's what i'm trying to save to save of people just gloss

12:42

over how they kind of came

12:44

to be at in the same cell blocks near

12:47

each other

12:48

it because a petition to have their cells moved

12:51

and has to be swapped out in the in

12:53

they were approved even more insane

12:55

more insane subarus is going to be the

12:57

main lesson here right

12:59

wing underwood reasons whose reputation is

13:01

in escape ability yeah the guards might

13:03

let their guard down

13:05

i would think so as like it if i was

13:07

a garden a prisoner as a super high

13:09

tag and cameras

13:11

, this and mad and

13:14

and cdr like technology

13:16

in that unites prior let my guard

13:18

down a bentley i you know tax cuts

13:21

figured out play you know it's

13:24

very easy to hack stuff

13:26

oh yes and you really i mean another lesson

13:28

here that we're going to start diving into even further

13:31

is trusting your

13:34

inmates

13:35

there there seems to be a trend that we're going to

13:37

get even more into where their trusting inmates

13:39

who have a history of trying to escape

13:42

you should be giving autonomy the

13:44

pretty help but let's get back

13:46

to the case or morris lead john

13:48

and clarence in plotting their escape or

13:51

that's what people tend to believe because he

13:53

was coined as the intellect he's the one who had

13:55

the highest i q of the group in fact that

13:57

it is said his i q was as high as one hundred and thirty

14:00

five oh so he is

14:02

a is pretty smart okay so that

14:04

makes me feel better about going

14:06

into if i was or go to prison now

14:08

hamby like how do i even started this guide us

14:11

has a super high i q right so is

14:13

is is be right already working right

14:16

the when the guards eventually came to check their beds in

14:18

the morning they were met instead

14:20

by paper mushy dummies covered in flesh

14:22

colored paints and real human hair so

14:25

when they walked by at a glance it looks truly

14:27

like them but it was just their head with pillows

14:29

stuff that in bed covers all their

14:32

hair is so who will get it all

14:34

their like were the how they get up paying we're

14:36

going to get of the how they got the paint how they may these hairs

14:39

are the her came from at lower that where they

14:41

physically went oh my god this is such a

14:43

macgyver sort of situation i love

14:45

it or may we just aged are so yeah

14:47

well i didn't i never watched the show but i've heard of it so

14:51

the prisoners essentially used toilet paper

14:53

cement cardboard toothpastes

14:56

and hair trimmings of course from the other

14:58

prisoners found at the barbershop in order to make

15:00

these heads and of course the prison immediately

15:03

went into lockdown into search for these three

15:05

dangerously skills prisoners in

15:07

the search was in full force let's

15:10

talk about the investigation what they

15:12

found again we're walking through this as people living

15:14

it at the time and then we'll walk back and get

15:16

all those juicy details so

15:18

after this lockdown the f b i was immediately

15:21

contacted and they accessed nationwide

15:23

records on the missing prisoners and there

15:26

pretty large history of

15:28

previous escape attempts all three

15:30

of them had previous escape attempts as we

15:32

can have outlined so they looked into that furthermore

15:35

the f b i interviewed the various families of

15:37

the missing inmates to compiled their identification

15:40

records boat operators in the bay

15:42

were asked to be on a lookout for debris

15:44

or signs of their escape here's what

15:46

the men look like here's what they might have on them

15:49

etc let us know what you see now

15:51

with that said it's a few interesting pieces

15:53

of evidence were insects sound across

15:55

the bay over the subsequent days and weeks

15:58

of this escape attempt for people

16:00

there is a packet of letters sealed in rubber and

16:03

it did relate to the men there was

16:05

also a paddle like piece of wood and

16:07

rubber inner tubes that we're kind

16:09

of in tatters they were it's wraps these i

16:11

think the paddle was found near angel

16:14

island which is nearby secondhand the

16:16

rubber tube like scraps

16:18

were found near the bridge there was

16:20

also a homemade lies says that was

16:22

found washed up on cronkite beach something

16:24

to keep them afloat and they could tell because

16:26

a lot of these materials seem to originate

16:28

back from the prison the various

16:30

pieces essentially said okay

16:33

know they did make it out and at least

16:35

into the water so this inspired a much more

16:37

extensive search but unfortunately

16:40

no other pieces were ever found in

16:42

fact i do want to say i'm going off my memory

16:45

here are the letters that were found

16:47

i believe also with either within that same

16:49

rubber on below or in a separate

16:52

piece of rubber there was there was sound

16:54

which had family matters i think some photos

16:56

or other documentation related to the family so

16:58

again to confirm that it was these three

17:01

men that was something else that was phone

17:03

so officials hoped that the england's

17:05

other incarcerated brother alfred we

17:07

talked about who was against housed

17:09

in an alabama facility hopefully

17:11

you know he would supply some answers hey

17:14

you know your brother's better than anyone right

17:16

maybe what's on their mind what would they be doing where

17:18

could they be going all that

17:20

sort of stuff but to their dismay

17:22

alfred was supposedly electrocuted during

17:25

an escape that he had attempted previously

17:27

and so he took as little or as

17:30

much information that is as he might have had

17:32

on his brothers to the grays whoa

17:35

yes the way so

17:37

they went to go interview on whole know like yeah you tried

17:39

to escape and unfortunately

17:41

it was a fat electrified

17:43

or did they just

17:46

no peter was dumb but times are some really bad

17:48

as a good question christened you know how alfred

17:50

might have been electrocuted

17:52

during his escape

17:54

when it digging through the wall or i

17:56

will doubled sectors i'm not entirely

17:58

sure on the details okay

18:00

in our filet maybe they are just

18:02

hiding in images throughout life no

18:05

pieces or something but then on an army

18:07

knox as big enough in a has differently

18:11

so like sections episodes like underground

18:13

diet there could be air as you get hired

18:16

out on but and that seems kind of risky

18:19

and also one of them is smart

18:21

enough to probably try and think of like

18:23

or a trying time our high tide

18:25

know that kinda stuff to make this swim in

18:27

their journey easier by now

18:30

they get such a difficult

18:33

Thing to pull off like no, you're not only

18:35

trying to break away from a prison and trying

18:37

to swim to

18:39

like the shore, get off of this island. And

18:41

then on the flip side, like I'm sure they

18:43

hunted him and through every resource at

18:45

it like you said because you

18:47

know, they marketed as like this and you

18:49

know it as honest capable prison

18:52

right it's , game of

18:54

all had press grade three guys

18:56

illusory i like ours are invite

18:58

more alcatraz can be broken out of

19:01

europe and that's maybe i was just saucer

19:03

to everyone should label things with ultimatums

19:05

i mean we go through unsinkable titanic

19:08

when we know when we alcatraz

19:10

as you know who knows

19:13

yeah it's it's interesting thought because like

19:15

right now you know the plan is hard to

19:17

conceive of with just some of the things they had

19:19

like for example the or that they

19:22

made was the scraps of would with some screws

19:24

put together groceries and quick photos

19:26

of with that look like that's what they sow

19:28

wow they have oh that's

19:30

really cool yeah so that was just floating off

19:32

the coast their of nearby angel island

19:35

of course all the authorities i mean

19:37

the bureau of prison authorities the f b i

19:40

alcatraz guards the coastguard

19:42

everybody at this point is invested

19:44

in figuring out what's going on here and finding

19:47

these men and so they started looking inward

19:49

they sort of looking towards the inmates to see does

19:51

anybody in here know what that plan

19:53

might have been in this is where allen west

19:55

comes into the story the fourth man

19:58

with this group west

20:00

the another prisoner at alcatraz that

20:02

the three had met previously while incarcerated

20:04

back in atlanta so west

20:06

allen west had been a part

20:08

of this whole strategizing he had

20:10

helped devised plans as long

20:12

as he could also be included within the

20:14

plan to escape with the three whoa

20:17

okay so now you're someone that has knowledge

20:19

on the and sound the inside for

20:22

thing possibly got debts

20:24

possibly got this will here's what happened so

20:26

the night of the escape west wasn't

20:28

able to make it out of his cell

20:30

in time

20:31

i'm a jump the to the conclusion eventually

20:34

he did make it out of a self made it up to the roof

20:36

by the time he was there the other three had left so

20:38

he said i guess i'm screwed

20:40

there's no way ominous ride the water he comes back

20:42

into his prison cell and decided at this point

20:45

i guess i'll just surrender the information i'll

20:47

i'll let him know what happened that's bad

20:49

because worth the

20:52

the brain them bring him back when

20:54

he surrendered always information your now

20:56

seen as the rat

20:58

Well, you better hope you get a a plea you

21:00

know, or is he feeding real

21:02

information to the guards the

21:05

question is

21:06

he looking for a plea deal with some of stuff?

21:08

i mean, or is he just trying to, you

21:11

know, I don't know. Just divert thermal.

21:13

from like a true stuff yeah well

21:16

i mean let's talk about the plan let's talk

21:18

about what allen west let them in on because

21:20

a lot of this is provable a lot of this

21:23

demonstrable due to the physical evidence there

21:25

in the prison the question remains as to

21:27

the plan outside of the prison but before

21:29

we continue christian yeah found

21:32

a little bit more on alfred he doesn't

21:34

say exactly any

21:36

more details about how he was electrocuted

21:38

i find is that you suppose

21:40

we haven't days before he was eligible for parole

21:43

and he would like to young but

21:46

family members the

21:48

arise that perhaps he was beaten to

21:50

death by prison guards were trying to get

21:52

information on ha

21:55

got it was only like unfortunate

21:57

timing married and also

21:59

his recent host the parole

22:02

why risk it days away your

22:04

writing there

22:05

without said let's talk about the plan and

22:07

again this is coming from west so allen

22:10

west told the authorities that he and the other

22:12

men had been working on their plan since

22:14

december of nineteen sixty one

22:16

so this was a long patiently laid

22:18

plans when one of them came across

22:20

some old saw blades was inspired

22:22

the idea of makeshift tools

22:25

though the pause for a second in

22:27

their cells were these little greats

22:30

hello the think there was this little kind

22:32

of sense that led to a breeze way

22:35

or causeway that ran behind the cells

22:37

oh that seems

22:40

Like it could be useful for people, trying to break out.

22:42

Is

22:44

that the room below it below?

22:46

It is actually there were so that's a different photo

22:48

that we're talking about. But that that's kind of

22:50

their workshop area that want to discuss the

22:52

plan was to make tools to

22:55

get through that said the event was about five

22:57

inches tall by nine inches wide so

22:59

not really enough for a grown man to get their

23:01

way through the idea was to

23:03

take things like spoons

23:06

from the kitchen in order to chisel

23:08

away at the plaster and that

23:10

the wall right his fans the bigger

23:12

but another thing that they did was they devised

23:15

a new tool they created a drill

23:17

powered by a vacuum cleaner motor

23:20

which enabled them to drill holes essentially around

23:22

the event where they could than weaken

23:24

the wall pull the whole thing off the wall

23:26

to create a huge hole in the wall

23:29

that they could then put it back so they now

23:31

had a door essentially that

23:33

allowed them to get back into the breeze way behind

23:35

it there was a small kind of graham's

23:38

mechanical alley behind these

23:41

these cells that they couldn't access it was

23:43

not darted because no one anticipated anybody

23:45

been able to get in there or not at all in this

23:47

is where kind of everything went down this

23:49

were allen west plan kind of fell apart

23:52

he also had drilled out his then

23:54

and again long story short his

23:57

kept falling out his kept becoming very

23:59

obvious and the didn't want the guards to see it

24:01

and so when he kind of days before

24:03

they'd decided to actually enact their

24:05

plan he had kind

24:08

of put some cement back in there in order to

24:10

hold it's temporarily

24:12

the somebody did too good of a job because when the night

24:14

came he couldn't get the great off

24:16

the wall on the other guys came up behind

24:18

it started taking it from behind it couldn't

24:21

get out slow he says he

24:23

was stuck in his room oh good answer some

24:25

of the quite as i have a manager

24:27

there are all able to get behind like through

24:29

the great by it was a whole like access

24:31

way that they can all like meet our yet same

24:34

and has insane which is why they wanted to be

24:36

in the same cell block right let

24:38

alone right next to each other and also have

24:40

violated them as easy to pass the

24:42

drill around her whenever the need

24:44

to yeah i'm sure they'd like deconstructed

24:47

a vacuum or something the deconstructing the vacuum

24:49

to get that motor right and then they put a little piece

24:51

of metal that could spin around with the motor

24:54

and you say okay well what about all the noise will this

24:56

happened during their music our

24:58

i guess every day they had some sort of happy hour

25:00

music our where they could make the

25:02

point of noise where they could play their in a slogan

25:04

a movie it was a movie clint

25:07

eastwood told me all about this is all there is

25:09

a movie about this escape by it's

25:11

a it was interesting so they would drill around

25:13

this vents while the music was

25:15

going on in fact one of these guys had

25:18

essentially a or was it called

25:20

an accordion or concertina which

25:22

is like one of those kind of

25:25

wind instruments were you gonna play for sale

25:27

for like billows in the airflow

25:30

and keys create different notes for yeah one

25:32

of them had that instrument so much of a secure

25:34

the arab probably like jam and ole

25:36

exam and out you know they got their own little band

25:38

going now damn sometimes it's

25:41

i mean it's not easy because i gasped

25:44

have the knowledge in the knowledge how to deconstruct

25:46

vacuum and and had to draw how number

25:48

that it's cetera but light hey

25:51

i'm times eight rights it's almost

25:53

like

25:54

simple in a way yeah it's it's beautifully

25:57

simple so once they had drilled

25:59

these holes they could then you know pulled

26:01

event of how did they hide this from the guards wealth

26:04

some of the new suitcases others cardboard

26:06

boxes and various other belongings

26:08

some of them use their instruments to just lean up against

26:10

the wall right there to create

26:12

and obscured thing and i mean the guards are walking

26:14

around scrutinizing each room every day because

26:17

again there really leaning on the fact

26:19

that

26:19

we're a guard but also we're surrounded

26:22

by ocean re not gonna be able to

26:24

escape their not really seen this coming

26:26

now again behind their cells sat

26:29

and unguarded utility corridor which

26:31

they used to access the roof tops

26:33

of their specific cells which were still

26:35

housed within the prison were

26:37

essentially talking about an empty

26:39

volume of space now that is unguarded that

26:42

is not meant to be manned ray are

26:44

but this is what created their little

26:46

secret workspace where they could develop

26:49

their plans they can you know they

26:51

could build all of the things that they needed

26:53

to build and they would take turns

26:55

having somebody stay back in the cells looking for

26:57

guards before your because somebody

26:59

would come through on alas padre year was

27:02

the last paycheck was settled the be like you're good start

27:04

though of course he accumulated

27:07

a plethora of materials through donations

27:09

or stealing from various inmates in various

27:11

rooms around i mean you could also be

27:14

classes and jobs around the prison he

27:16

added one of them worked in the barbershop which gave

27:18

them access to hear clippings may

27:20

eventually they they were able to grab

27:23

upwards of like fifty rubber

27:25

raincoats because they had standard issue

27:28

raincoats for all the prisoners they garnered

27:30

city of them and they actually use those

27:32

to create a raft the had access

27:34

to a library as well which they had plethora

27:37

of literature yeah lot of this was

27:39

redacted for problematic information

27:41

that you would want a prisoner to know your butts

27:44

i think he was like this and you know the name

27:47

of the magazine was it like mechanics

27:49

digester something of that nature and it's

27:51

on the tip of my tongue while he

27:53

looks set up essentially it was a magazine

27:56

the talked about mechanics and all sorts

27:58

of things and now there was some

28:00

very nice information within these magazines

28:02

that somebody redacting these wouldn't have really put

28:05

two and two together but one of them was

28:07

like vocalizing rubber and how to to make

28:09

of a makeshift ducks in

28:11

the use that in order to

28:13

take the rubber raincoats

28:16

the hot them feel them

28:18

by stitching and using rubber cement that

28:20

had balkanizing ingredients within the cement

28:22

to create a waterproof seal so they could

28:24

create a raft that so smart

28:27

and rosie oh look

28:29

here's the thing that's why i mean script right now

28:31

however oh yes i'm way off my

28:33

notes so i'm forgive me if i go back of his

28:35

information i'm just so stoked

28:37

on how cool this is yes i know

28:39

their prisoners not allowed the at a way they

28:41

put this all together is so ingenious

28:43

is a blows my mind every time i think about

28:45

it and is popular mechanics popular

28:48

canada thank you very much but

28:50

yeah so somebody worked in in so one

28:52

would go to library one would work at the barbershop

28:55

that sort of really like not

28:57

only did they just

28:58

the guy river staff right take take

29:01

a little piece of this and loose of that name

29:03

construct something but they they

29:05

also did the research and cannot just

29:07

like it's all so smart

29:10

oh yeah

29:11

they ended up creating arrests that was about six

29:13

foot by sport teensy that

29:15

way to carry safely all for

29:17

men

29:18

they also me the life preservers out of the same

29:20

robber and to seal them not only

29:22

did either of smith and the balkanizing stuff

29:24

in the stitching they use this is while

29:27

i just like i'm so

29:29

like i don't know i hate to say it i'm proud

29:31

of how clever this is the use the steam

29:34

from the pipes in this court or the hot

29:37

plates to dump a sick

29:39

leave the seals finish

29:41

the seal yeah so we could like get that vocalize

29:43

analysis and away from that he oh

29:45

my god man in there

29:47

i a whole

29:48

damn workshop know her that

29:50

was your unseen i don't think this is

29:53

my notes but i do wanna say

29:55

i did in my research about this

29:57

could be anecdotal so i wanted myth that the one

29:59

of the thing that was said again to

30:01

put scrutiny on the guards and how low

30:04

their guard was

30:06

one of the guys i believe it was

30:08

a captain brainiac said

30:10

that

30:10

hey i like she got permission essentially

30:13

to hang up sheets around

30:16

his like macgyver to workshop up there

30:18

because he's like i'm you know i'm helping

30:20

out the prison this is my job or on the prism just like

30:22

you know happens if the mechanics alive and whatnot

30:24

but when i work just as settling down

30:27

and make it a mess so can i just hang

30:29

up some seats to make sure that you know

30:31

i do i keep that dust in there like yeah

30:33

go for it you can't escape this is inescapable

30:36

well behind those seats the guys would get

30:38

out at night

30:40

they would actually use that as their workshop

30:42

ah my job it was it was

30:44

a combination of luck the and

30:46

cleverness and the guards just kind

30:48

of not expecting re re

30:50

his while all men a

30:53

smart yeah so smart

30:55

and that that's why slicked

30:58

all of its moved as hell yup

31:01

the almost feel like you the

31:04

get it takes more time and manpower

31:07

i feel your they just had some i do like all random

31:09

walk a like three am are some point i they

31:11

might have been a little a cure them or casserole

31:14

yeah well the night that they escape

31:16

this is a fun fact from your old pal trace

31:18

so

31:20

the know they escaped around ten thirty pm

31:22

one of the guards did in fact hear them clambering

31:24

about on their on the pipes they

31:27

didn't notice

31:28

they they dwelled i guess they mentally noted

31:30

it but they didn't investigate right or maybe

31:32

it's rats or what i really i would anyone be

31:35

in the pilates or strange sounds and then

31:37

it stops and then they said okay really

31:40

though

31:42

the coming back to their plan real quick i'm

31:44

so they made wouldn't paddles out of wouldn't scrap

31:46

that they then screwed together with like

31:49

whatever screws that they could for a they

31:52

also took apart they're concertina

31:54

that little musical instrument or looks a little bit like this shown

31:56

in the picture yet again it's like it's to

31:58

wouldn't paddles with

32:00

accordion style an air

32:02

pocket between alien kind of

32:05

the your hand in and out that's the best i can describe

32:07

it it's but they they took that apart

32:09

in order to make it into a pump

32:12

for the raft so they could inflate

32:14

the thing because it was so big they couldn't

32:16

just or even now

32:19

admits their manufacturing they also tried

32:21

to scout the best route up to the roof

32:23

and where they should go as far

32:25

as the sea route they discovered

32:27

that there was a vents on the roof that

32:29

was actually quite weak and so

32:31

they climbed up a series of pipes about

32:34

thirteen feet or so up and they pried

32:36

open one of the ventilator great at the top

32:38

and then they held it together so that way no

32:40

one would find out that it was open they held

32:42

together with a bolt made out of

32:44

so that way would hold it together

32:46

just well enough that when the night

32:48

came they could just busted open no

32:51

one would otherwise know all made

32:53

us soul mate out of so that's

32:56

genius yeah so they are they

32:58

helping ventilator and place with that until they could make their

33:00

escape you saw where they're just like

33:02

scoping out night after night to the rebuilding

33:04

but also as yapping ahead of my yes we

33:08

are building ness are going to school

33:10

the you know how to get to the roof or cause next

33:13

night risk about like the roof next may

33:15

i really musket really misses are

33:17

like

33:18

kind of like way to get down or get around centrally

33:20

located mine at all yeah they became

33:22

quite intimately aware of mean

33:25

this was over the course of starting in december

33:27

a climactic in june so you got ya

33:29

to seven money out and months does chipping away

33:32

at the vent took several weeks to months of course

33:34

and then finally getting the vent out they would get

33:36

up in there you have to garner

33:38

all your supplies your to put this on get us a

33:40

while they're putting this altogether periodically people

33:42

would be on look out the climb up the events so

33:45

they either whole physical as far

33:47

as the alcatraz route figured out the

33:49

in the night while they're working away somebody

33:52

could go to the roof in theory and peak

33:54

out across the nation of course they wouldn't

33:56

want to get scene but that's where they would say all

33:58

right where's the nearest land

34:00

what the current looking like because you you

34:02

mentioned the tides they come in and out and

34:04

that creates some pretty severe

34:06

activity in the beta and you know to be swept

34:09

out to sea was very likely though

34:11

that's the plan hi again

34:14

i'm just so wildly impressed

34:16

with how they were able to pull this stuff it is quite

34:18

impressive because it's just the

34:21

know from from back to fright night

34:24

this thing was so planned out

34:27

then on top of everything is just they

34:29

had complete control the the

34:32

i think that's right i agree recently named ray

34:34

it wasn't like let's just

34:35

during this time is a guard chef or was

34:37

going to bought for it they had complete

34:40

control and may knew exactly what

34:42

the route was what they're doing and everything

34:45

like that like it is insane

34:47

oh yeah now new feel

34:50

much more comfortable as you know surroundings

34:53

any know like way you're going what you're

34:55

doing oh absolutely

34:56

absolutely oh they have the huge upper

34:58

hand and now here's the thing i'd knowing

35:01

this is a surface level knowing this as a

35:03

film i mean it's again this was made into

35:05

a full moon rock as about miss reason it's

35:07

impresses rents are about escape impressive

35:10

what blows my mind is the more i looked into

35:12

the series is it

35:15

continues to get stranger it continues

35:17

to get more titillating in fact

35:20

there was a facial recognition

35:22

software that was being applied back in two thousand and twenty

35:24

i don't wanna get too much into that right now because we're going to discuss

35:26

that but like i'm just so impressed with how

35:29

long this is gone on all the way up until two

35:31

years ago they were still kind

35:33

of investigating new information

35:36

it gets while so if you thought this

35:38

was the climax of the crazy it gets

35:40

interesting

35:43

hey everybody does trevor as always

35:45

well i guess not always anymore we've

35:47

had christian pop in here a few times i

35:49

hope you enjoyed get this year his soul treaty

35:52

boys but hey ah just wanted to talk

35:54

to about some housekeeping news as

35:56

always i'm super i'm super we been talking about

35:58

a for a few months now but we got

36:00

Plush, the baby hands.

36:02

He's on the way. We got a little backpack,

36:04

coming along with him. I a few things coming

36:06

on. June 9th, to go

36:08

ahead and tell you the date so that we can mark it on calendars.

36:10

It's on 69. Nice.

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36:17

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36:46

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36:48

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40:35

prison escapes the

40:38

talk about the i hate was put put our minds

40:40

back right june eleventh nineteen

40:42

sixty two this is when they decided

40:44

that their plan was ready it was perfect it

40:47

and it was time to put it into action that

40:49

mentioned previously west was unable to escape his

40:51

cell and time so unfortunately despite

40:54

all attempts and efforts he was

40:56

going to be left behind north

40:58

and the anglin brothers on the other hand did

41:00

make it into the court or they gathered up their gear

41:02

they climbed up and out through the ventilator

41:05

got onto the roof of the prison in from here they

41:07

slid down the smokestack at

41:09

the back of the cell house they then jumped

41:11

the fence and darted the north

41:13

east shore of the island where they floated

41:16

off in their escape route after

41:18

prolonged search the f b i officially closed

41:21

the case december thirty first

41:23

nineteen seventy nine

41:26

to seventeen and a half years later they concluded

41:28

that the likelihood of the men surviving the treacherous

41:31

swim was very very unlikely

41:34

so they said you know what they just die probably

41:36

only nine their bodies with closed

41:38

the case

41:39

they turned it over the us marshals service which

41:42

continues to investigate despite the doubt

41:44

that the men or even alive and they plan

41:46

to keep searching for answers until all three

41:48

men pass on what would be there ninety

41:50

ninth birthdays so they're basically saying

41:52

we're going to continue looking into the racial

41:55

so he physically know that they can't possibly

41:57

eat around and enough or at least very

41:59

very very unlikely so this

42:01

is where the story and the evidence ends his own

42:03

sure exactly what happens next to these

42:06

three men you know are they lost

42:08

at sea to they drift out did

42:10

they're wrapped hold up or did it succumb

42:12

to the rioters in there are other because

42:15

we've found scraps so did they succumb

42:17

to the water and drown who

42:19

knows how before moving on i do want to

42:21

say this is where things get a little

42:23

bit more harry money have to and we have to rely

42:25

on allen west story but

42:27

he told the guards all this stuff

42:29

about the plan then the workspace

42:32

gone up through the roof the raft all that now

42:34

he then further elucidated them as

42:36

to say they went to angel islands

42:39

which was the shortest distance i think it was just

42:41

over a mile away so be a little

42:43

bit easier to do they would then cross

42:46

angel island

42:47

go catty corner up to another smaller island

42:50

before leapfrogging off to the mainland because going

42:52

straight for the mainland would probably be the most difficult

42:54

yeah to be rough so that's why

42:57

it's interesting that the oars were found

42:59

on the coast of angel island that the scraps

43:01

were found near the

43:04

bridge the golden gate bridge yeah

43:06

otherwise we don't know exactly

43:09

the route that they took that's just what allen

43:11

is letting us in the

43:14

the way things could happen i do you

43:16

what do you think you think lie the gao thought on

43:18

this i mean a just as knowing the bay

43:21

mart as and just actually seeing it yeah

43:23

growing up in an area damning that isn't

43:25

that's rough waters messily

43:28

if you're not going and during my gum like

43:31

low tide new planet out they

43:34

added on it the people

43:36

trained to swim

43:38

yeah that's a whole event now is it's an event

43:40

yeah there it makes me feel like you and i should

43:42

get hands on

43:44

get up in that cell see if we can squeeze

43:46

squeegee ourselves their eyes squinting

43:49

zero about us squeeze ourselves through that

43:51

then

43:52

climb up those those the pipes

43:55

may that be caught like a raft and ticket

43:57

when i think we can do think that know

44:00

either going to be a riot i think around and try and is

44:02

no way christian write that down new live action series

44:04

got if we're going to pitch this thrill of his rates

44:07

prison break i'm in twenty twenty two

44:09

oh god this year oh and

44:11

of course go tomorrow quite and all right it

44:13

i that is a time boards that this man's promises

44:16

let you know you know who

44:18

to come up there that's that's his division his

44:20

ambition or on top of ambition here

44:23

i'm yeah well yeah but

44:25

it likely yeah isis from him

44:27

that immediate the the

44:30

immediate yeah yeah i'm

44:32

kind of with you there

44:34

until we get into these theories there's more information

44:36

to talk about well as a big

44:38

inflame in the l i s let's

44:41

talk about theory number one that the men fell victim

44:43

to the pacific ocean and never reached

44:45

the sure let's see if there's any water

44:48

the your theory said i believe in right now

44:50

arrival you're on board with with the f

44:52

b i saw the f b i backs up this theory

44:54

by pointing out to a number of

44:57

reasonable explanations

44:59

because again this is where all comes razor comes in

45:01

which is to say the most likely

45:03

answer is the real answer

45:05

to close or about crossing the bay while

45:07

many people have in fact completed the more

45:09

than mile long swim from alcatraz to angel

45:11

island the strong currents and average specific

45:14

temperature of oh man that's even lower than i thought

45:16

thirty eight point five degrees fahrenheit

45:19

or three and a half degrees celsius is the

45:21

average for those

45:23

were clearly not in favor of any

45:25

what he trying to escape of course they had a raft

45:27

which doesn't help me get them out of the water a little therefore

45:30

man as a lot of taken

45:32

him and i can only imagine

45:34

how your feet wouldn't like freeze up here

45:37

they are as the i mean the like what

45:39

does that frostbite entirely possible

45:42

emmy you're pushing freezing temps there they are far

45:44

off however as we like

45:46

to address those wrinkles in the moment one

45:48

of the wrinkles here is that the

45:50

possibility of surviving this is not impossible

45:53

quite unlikely but not impossible because

45:55

another inmate john paul scott did in

45:57

fact escape alcatraz later and that

45:59

very same year in december

46:01

of nineteen sixty two months after that

46:03

that story released maybe this

46:05

guy was inspired to say i too can

46:08

make he read the san francisco

46:10

beach naked and suffered from hypothermia

46:12

not frostbite hypothermia that's

46:15

that makes more sense for the out of yes

46:18

but of course he was instead quickly

46:20

recaptured by the police sent back

46:22

to the island poorly butt naked

46:25

i don't know that i mean he's like a here's

46:27

the thing if you're in a swim in prison close that they got

46:29

the which are all kind of like one size fits all yeah

46:31

going to get waterlogged can be hard to swim in raise

46:33

also not really gonna keep you warm damp

46:36

heavy yeah my will drop it

46:38

swim with what guy gave you but nagin

46:42

now according to the information that west provided

46:45

the group's land was again to steal close

46:47

and a car once they reached the sure

46:50

in two thousand and eleven a national geographic

46:52

special claimed that the f b i reported

46:54

a stolen blue chevrolet that

46:57

it later had an accident on the road

46:59

and inside that savvy witnesses claims

47:02

were three men but they were not

47:04

confirmed to be the suspects at hand

47:07

but i don't think they were christian where they confirmed be anybody

47:10

like maybe they were that the i guess the jury's

47:12

still out were they the three men were

47:14

they not it does land pretty nicely

47:17

into the camp of what allen west was saying

47:19

that they were gonna steal a vehicle is when was stolen

47:22

three men in it but we don't know if it's them that

47:24

easy though they

47:27

made it elapse it just want to go

47:29

man put me back in the sixties

47:31

all go rob a bank and steal bank car and

47:33

ticked of people just get away

47:35

with it i guess or then they're not but then they're

47:37

escaping is it is

47:40

it that easy but why would the f b i

47:42

see that covered up until

47:44

like this data maybe wasn't like

47:47

covered up him as it was maybe they just

47:49

my more able to link and link it together

47:52

maybe my best guess is that it's either

47:54

hindsight is twenty twenty or it's

47:56

that the f b i doesn't just release all their information

47:58

because you know private and everything here

48:00

bites is also the unbreakable

48:02

prison they're trying to that maybe save face

48:05

and keep this information closer their chest so they can

48:08

figure out this case under wraps get those

48:10

men back to the prison if

48:12

they were in fact alive and

48:14

then say okay cool our image

48:17

is still secure the public don't need

48:19

to freak out his prison doesn't need to shut

48:21

down maybe they're like earlier for someone

48:23

else broke down actually me to the shore then

48:25

they were captured true but the

48:27

whole point is

48:29

hambrick out of right right well

48:31

i mean because being kept for either alert

48:33

it was shut down the prison as

48:35

no longer maintains itself as a prison

48:38

but now it's a tourist site it is

48:40

i've seen it from afar many times now

48:42

on the very windy very chilly coast

48:45

in the dead of summer or hill huh

48:47

but yeah in fact in two thousand and

48:50

eleven there was a national geographic special that

48:52

had a couple other informational

48:54

pieces that i want to talk about so they

48:56

said that a raft was found on angel i they

48:58

said they were footsteps leading away from

49:01

it that very next day and on

49:03

that same day that a blue

49:05

chevy truck was reported

49:07

stolen now the reason

49:09

why i want to mention this is because eighty miles east

49:11

of san francisco in another town

49:13

and california somebody else reported

49:16

that a blue savvy truck with

49:18

three men in it had run them off

49:20

the road and almost made them crash

49:23

and other sightings of this mysterious

49:25

blue savvy had been reported in many

49:27

different states across the country i'm talking like

49:30

oklahoma indiana ohio and south

49:32

carolina christian do we have any idea on

49:34

like how these states relate to the families could

49:36

that be

49:37

very interesting information not

49:39

from anything that i'm seeing

49:41

ah just a very cursory

49:43

search says about some family in georgia

49:46

but that's not one of the state's list it's

49:48

i don't know if it relates anyway i think the

49:50

thing that stands out to make as like they had all been

49:52

arrested and shared a place in

49:54

atlanta a prison i should say not a place

49:56

like is there room mate right they

49:59

also some of them in arrested in ohio

50:01

though you know maybe they're finding

50:04

their old stomping grounds yeah i be this is

50:06

man territory may be sightings

50:08

that are unrelated but it's so interesting

50:11

that many years later national

50:13

geo is coming through and be unlike your there was there was

50:15

there with footsteps and the news

50:17

that information i saw as i'm

50:19

wondering is like the f b i held that close to the chest

50:22

right to be like we gotta protect

50:24

the image of alcatraz you're on to shut it down

50:26

or whatever but also i will want

50:29

uber know that there's like

50:31

what i broke out of that his own way man

50:33

with reminders man we

50:36

can find them because that would mean that would

50:38

set the nation of nation riot right like if

50:40

you knew three

50:41

like a high level prison i mean

50:43

i think i think for a fact one of these men

50:45

was actually named

50:47

public enemy number one not a lot of people

50:49

get that title know i forget which

50:51

of these three men who i had as a matter of wave

50:53

one of them was in my yeah to meet

50:55

ya the f b i like okay the escape

50:58

and about our the headlines a the magic

51:00

i have yeah i'd be like i be freaked out

51:02

especially because i grew probably and i really no one

51:06

escapes from some point

51:08

of all i got her isn't alcatraz oh my

51:10

god

51:11

that a that a bad headline you don't want

51:13

to see the street or gonna be empty for a minute or

51:15

how they sort that out or for yeah

51:17

i know how long have a mason currently

51:19

them in the other direction they're so that

51:21

letter a wrinkle here in the plan you know it's

51:23

not impossible that they that they made

51:26

it there is some other information out there but

51:28

come back to the theory that they didn't make it because

51:31

the family didn't seem to know anything about

51:33

this when they were interviewed and an hour

51:35

should i say interrogated they didn't really seem to know

51:37

the whereabouts they weren't contacted etc

51:39

and for the seventeen years that the f b i worked

51:41

on the case it seems that no credible evidence

51:44

that supported the idea that the men were so i've

51:46

ever came forward so they felt

51:48

very confident in stating and when

51:51

they close the case that these men they

51:53

didn't make it

51:54

that's why they close the case i mean i would

51:56

just lay low for the rest of my life yeah

52:00

ray allen of course you are

52:02

highly sought after and they will

52:04

have their eyes on you for many years out

52:06

a subway low and and as live

52:08

in a hole somewhere else so ultimately

52:10

it seem that many of their tools were

52:12

found many of the scraps of the materials

52:15

a life vest the paddles the raft cetera

52:18

that they were all found in the fact

52:20

that day their physical selves weren't

52:22

found i mean it's a very

52:24

divisive fact but a lot of people seem to indicate

52:26

that means that they were lost to the sea

52:30

i don't know if they were kicking it they wouldn't just be like

52:32

i've got the raft as a collectible you know

52:35

the minister vein at so difficult is

52:37

the fact that i'm the have no

52:39

idea if they made it right

52:42

in your washed up like it was on

52:44

the shore because they made it or he

52:47

didn't make it and adjusts the mutters

52:49

has lost up on the shore

52:51

yeah

52:52

what leaders decided to pull raining the guards and and

52:54

they started throwing things out it's yeah every night

52:56

that society

52:57

little letters that say i escaped my day i

52:59

open source oh

53:03

they drown the

53:06

bars most likely flow

53:08

than out to sea though product

53:11

and yeah i ah to see as opposed to

53:13

like get near water up on shore

53:15

man as

53:18

the according to the cool thing is that way we

53:20

pretty much have their

53:23

whole escape route

53:25

in plan and tool cemented

53:27

yeah what is awesome they

53:29

instead of that that's not really heavily

53:31

like theorize that like we have

53:35

the actual route the evidence them aerials

53:37

like someone who was a part

53:39

of the escape plan was able to make

53:41

it out so it's cooler that old plays

53:44

completely lake in my mind it's

53:46

meant is known in own that's

53:48

how it happened here

53:50

i tend to believe allen west or i think you know

53:52

he was made me be striking for a plea deal and

53:54

also little bent outta shape he couldn't get out and

53:56

gnome so i think you know at

53:59

least ninety percent of his three holes we know the

54:01

inside game the outside game is still

54:03

may be up for grabs bullets i talked about a minute

54:05

i'd also like to think that

54:07

the years and years later it right

54:09

at that point is go okay is what really happened

54:11

right or or just i got no

54:13

reason to hold at any rate wasn't what's

54:15

the reason holder

54:17

you know you're like if they made it i'm sure

54:19

they're fine now yeah i could say at her summer

54:21

every soon it's cetera

54:24

wow know or maybe

54:27

my view like sent a letter something

54:29

i hear like monitoring that remember like

54:32

maybe yes and later the die in your buddy

54:34

green right you know like made a nice

54:36

a smile on my like anything else

54:38

is due west all

54:40

is green sky blue

54:43

the up and mogi

54:44

i'd your buddy of his degree of

54:46

shite that grew up in marine what is

54:48

this sums up in those he loses his main

54:51

is , decipher it

54:55

just isn't he holds up his hand with hand thumbs

54:57

a racist that are

55:00

oh man that's our minds running wild

55:02

yeah that's and that be nuts or let's

55:04

drop some bombshells here to just talk

55:06

about the other theories that the

55:08

idea that the men made it that they survived

55:11

that they just left all their a sex behind them

55:13

they cop the ride and got out of there

55:16

there's a couple different series that lie within

55:18

this theory a lot of other pieces of information

55:20

that we're going to try to address but nearly

55:23

fifty years later in this in this

55:25

that brings this theory to light strongly

55:28

the anglin family provided

55:30

evidence that the men might

55:32

have actually survive england's

55:34

mother claimed that she received christmas cards

55:37

signed with their names dating up

55:39

to three years after the

55:41

escape like a problematic

55:43

thing to do maybe was a prank

55:45

but it seems like the police would be able to kind of get in

55:47

on that below mama england

55:49

what's going on here whereas this coming from what's

55:51

the return address

55:53

the was has proven to have happened

55:55

or as is more just site that's a good question

55:58

private is a story but do we

56:00

have evidence that these postcards

56:03

the real or was it the mother kind of

56:05

fray but why would she spun until late

56:08

there you know especially if her

56:10

son's broke out of prison and mural i would

56:12

eleazer air with the relationship maybe

56:15

we it doesn't like her son's

56:17

she's ashamed of what they've done

56:19

they've all assumption by the could be

56:21

arrest within the family dynamic and in from

56:23

there that's why she's like hangouts postcard

56:26

necessary i gospel i do feel like there

56:28

was a postcard that that

56:30

should be evidence that my

56:33

pre locked in you know remain in

56:35

the like there was word

56:37

of a postcard rather was or not is the services

56:39

of have dry right yeah yeah yeah

56:41

that's the i mean that's true that and that's just like what he

56:44

wants of my notes that lying know

56:46

the army but the thing is like it's so many years

56:48

ago and we don't know like a number

56:50

of things could have

56:51

have been little like details

56:53

and changes and he as years

56:56

and years ago by

56:57

well christmas the looking that up i'm very

57:00

curious because at the very good question but while

57:02

he looks set up there's another piece of information

57:04

act stems from twenty twenty that i'm very eager

57:06

to talk about though i believe it's

57:08

pronounced david weidner there were you id

57:11

any are you with a nephew of

57:13

the england brothers and claimed that his

57:15

family had been given some photos taken

57:17

by a man named fred breezy the

57:20

breezy with a friend of the england's and

57:22

claimed that the men survived their escape

57:24

and then fled to brazil he

57:26

gave weidner a photo of the two men wearing

57:28

sunglasses that he claimed were john

57:31

and clarence england the two men the two brothers

57:33

of the three that skates are

57:35

so you this photo now because it's

57:38

while i've never seen this photo before these

57:41

are two men standing on the with

57:43

what looks like farm grounds it looks like the stood near

57:45

iraq or something our like lot dirt

57:47

mound yeah nicer road

57:50

the walrus as i mean

57:53

i'm in his at them it's hard to say

57:55

because it is an older photo or

57:57

it's in their hair is longer they got the sunglass

57:59

around facial hair yeah i mean there's

58:01

the facial hair the economic

58:04

as much as like it's an older photo

58:06

it's a lot clearer the i had

58:08

a that on at my home versus

58:11

that we grew up with digital before it was ready

58:13

yeah or nasa thing though

58:15

it's eichler than eichler thought it be yeah

58:18

the what's interesting here is

58:20

that

58:21

facial recognition experts that year

58:23

asserted that breezy was in fact

58:25

telling the truth that these two men

58:27

as they appeared in this photo were

58:30

in fact the to convicts that had escaped

58:32

though we have facial recognition experts

58:35

looking at this photo again i'm

58:37

not official expert or whatever but i look

58:39

at these photos and i look at their youth they're

58:42

younger photos the prison year and

58:44

what does that they're when they're ingested into the

58:46

system they take the shots

58:48

their little i like the wanted cards or whatever

58:51

of that call it there's a name for it in

58:54

mugshot merge cause

58:56

put down a mug but i'm yeah

58:58

i mean like when you look at the two photos you like i can

59:00

see some resemblance

59:03

i specially the hair color i can see a little

59:05

bit of the face the mouth and nose

59:07

area but it's it's kind of tough

59:09

it's to me the say that it's

59:12

actually there but hey we got experts say it

59:14

is mean as far as a nuts

59:16

the are things going on harp on was

59:18

the fact that these are facial recognition

59:21

expert yeah

59:23

their their said to of gone to brazil and

59:25

a in their stood here on their farmland cause

59:27

that was kind of how they made living and they just kind

59:29

of lived out there days but christian what do think

59:31

what what about those a those postcards

59:34

not finding any additional information on

59:37

their existence or anything like that

59:39

all its all on seeing beyond whats in the

59:41

outline is that

59:42

there was one specifically rumored to

59:44

have been in the winter of ninety sixty

59:46

two at the earliest gates john it with online

59:49

well i'm gonna go ahead and give this the official task

59:52

force stamp of disapproval

59:54

because the fact that things existed

59:56

out with all the other photos that we have here

59:58

i would have our

1:00:00

gathered that these would have showed up in some way

1:00:02

but alarm same why wasn't it

1:00:05

yoga to twenty twenty why

1:00:08

why was it obtained in put in

1:00:10

an f b i zip lock bags

1:00:13

lie that thing into a manila folder and sort of a zip

1:00:15

lock in that of a marker somewhere exactly

1:00:17

right and then the key

1:00:21

swallow it and then throw that person away

1:00:24

loser what about alcatraz than lose

1:00:27

the heard a solitary confinement

1:00:30

federal federal officer the gotta slow but

1:00:32

he escapes has some effect

1:00:35

from luck getting that evidence that

1:00:37

is photo just popped up like

1:00:39

the word delivery date just holding

1:00:42

onto it's of now he doing it con sought

1:00:44

after

1:00:45

oh yes it is photo i guess was passed

1:00:47

down within the family until someone far enough

1:00:49

away and i guess it was just a nephew when he was older

1:00:51

assuming that now his uncle's

1:00:53

would have either past or that they would you

1:00:56

know be in their older age it

1:00:58

probably then came out to say hey i

1:01:01

got some information who knows when you

1:01:03

got the news involved and get notoriety out

1:01:05

of something people might be searching for their fifteen

1:01:07

minutes but either way this photo came

1:01:09

to pass and experts are saints

1:01:11

them and i think is very interesting

1:01:14

wyden are also claimed to a local news

1:01:16

source that quote we know the brothers

1:01:18

escaped to live in south america i

1:01:21

know of times that they came to america to visit

1:01:23

the family there's no doubt in my mind

1:01:25

they escape from the prison in lived out

1:01:27

their lives three saying they even came back

1:01:29

say hello mum us

1:01:31

i mean at that point right

1:01:34

as you probably got a new identity been living

1:01:36

in brazil there's not

1:01:38

going to catch come just flaunting it you know you're

1:01:40

just saying you're just flexing on the t s a

1:01:42

and saying that the i've been in and out why

1:01:44

what will you it's

1:01:47

not like it'd be a house

1:01:49

on some type of way rosalyn

1:01:52

identity how's

1:01:55

how to say going to catch him the

1:01:57

scanned obviously there's like a room

1:02:00

there's by you think they're just

1:02:02

checking every face with the less to see

1:02:04

late i've tried to scanning goes

1:02:06

and ago yeah

1:02:08

well when it comes back to this photo and

1:02:10

is it's authenticity we

1:02:12

kind of can cast a shadow of doubt

1:02:14

but another kind of interesting piece

1:02:17

of information on that was a an irish

1:02:19

creative agency rothko actually partnered

1:02:21

with ai specialist to create

1:02:24

an identity test to scan

1:02:26

photos of the men as they were known in

1:02:28

the past as well as this photo

1:02:30

as they supposedly exist in that while

1:02:33

present at the time to create

1:02:35

a centrally a digital fingerprint of these photos

1:02:37

to say all right let's once and for all instead

1:02:39

of just using our judgment let's create a digital

1:02:41

fingerprint compare them and this

1:02:44

test came back with a ninety nine percent

1:02:46

positive rating that said it

1:02:48

these were in fact the men that

1:02:50

had escaped from alcatraz like

1:02:53

go for him he with going

1:02:55

into the theories i didn't

1:02:57

think of these men made it okay

1:03:00

now you're throwing out a photo that

1:03:02

his ability you like i like

1:03:05

the leukemia oh

1:03:07

that quick i just so what's learn from base

1:03:10

was the thing is like

1:03:11

even i don't know i i like

1:03:14

i'm begging on the odds of what

1:03:16

are the chances yeah

1:03:18

that the unit this was a

1:03:21

fake photo where the chances that they found

1:03:24

photo the to people

1:03:27

that closely resemble

1:03:30

right both of them are those

1:03:32

brothers right yes yeah maybe

1:03:34

their their hair colors different like

1:03:37

their heights different like what are the

1:03:39

chance that you found a photo that was so

1:03:41

clearly identical yeah that's

1:03:43

a good point i guess that's the thing they're just

1:03:46

like that's difficult to do yeah

1:03:48

on itself so i don't

1:03:50

i don't i don't see it being something as like

1:03:52

are just stumbled across this was used as a

1:03:54

photo to like say that or or uncles

1:03:56

are so like farfetched know yeah that again

1:03:58

coming back to the idea of ah

1:04:00

the razor that just that you have to go through so

1:04:02

many extra hoops just to make either the l

1:04:04

most i know have thought process their

1:04:07

motives this is so

1:04:09

many and i know like that

1:04:11

that is so convoluted the me and her

1:04:13

and i just don't see it as being like okay

1:04:16

look at this photo looks just like

1:04:18

on let's go ahead and dislikes shake

1:04:21

up the story a bit bring it back to lay

1:04:23

eccentric that are and also like

1:04:25

how to how they have found that on a know they

1:04:28

get it harder the hard

1:04:30

to pitch it in my mind as that

1:04:32

is just a random fake photo

1:04:34

right

1:04:35

get the real oh know the motive in the lie

1:04:38

or sex or looks just like them

1:04:40

we're this wild but

1:04:42

another piece of information actions of came to light

1:04:45

beyond just that photo so the san

1:04:47

francisco police as recently

1:04:49

as two thousand and thirteen received

1:04:51

a letter from somebody who claimed that

1:04:53

they were john england the letter

1:04:55

read quote my name is john england i

1:04:57

escaped from alcatraz in june of nineteen

1:05:00

sixty two with my brother clarence

1:05:02

and frank morris i'm eighty three

1:05:04

years old and in bad shape i

1:05:06

have cancer yes we all made

1:05:09

it that night but barely the

1:05:11

quote the f b i officials

1:05:13

performed a handwriting analysis against this letter

1:05:16

in a came back inconclusive it

1:05:18

is doubted that the letter is real and

1:05:20

was probably a prank by somebody civilian with

1:05:22

the story but the family took it seriously

1:05:24

they thought that their long lost family

1:05:26

member was out there looking for help and

1:05:28

i believe that this this story kind

1:05:31

of it's not here in my notes so forgive me for

1:05:33

a gun going off memory but that

1:05:35

story continues to unfold saying that i

1:05:37

will come forward and admit guilt that

1:05:39

it was me as long as you only give

1:05:41

me at a year in prison so i

1:05:43

can get

1:05:44

help so i can get medical help for my

1:05:46

cancer because if he is who he

1:05:48

is he doesn't want to go to the hospital

1:05:51

and get found out yeah i'm in

1:05:53

wa at least that's how that story kind of continues

1:05:56

and but that's where it ends the f

1:05:58

b i never really publicly addresses the letter

1:06:00

armed police never really said anything about it

1:06:02

outside of it coming to light and

1:06:05

so who knows what happened behind the scenes

1:06:08

on but otherwise most people think that this was

1:06:10

just kind of ignored damn

1:06:12

yeah i mean that's what i'm saying

1:06:15

like group we said multiple times get

1:06:17

away with it

1:06:18

you get to a certain age to just go and whatever

1:06:21

lived my life yeah in

1:06:23

a me especially if you're eighty three and nine doing

1:06:26

too well brady might just be like you know

1:06:29

i'd like to live a little more maybe i can get some help

1:06:32

a medical facility but now

1:06:35

they have juice very juicy

1:06:37

so kind of continuing of

1:06:39

continuing the theory that they made it there's a couple other odds

1:06:41

and ends i want to address so the england parents themselves

1:06:44

believe that members of the mob or at least other

1:06:46

gangsters may have aided the men's

1:06:49

escape the only wrinkle i

1:06:51

have before up proceed further is that

1:06:53

how would people outside of the prison

1:06:55

know that they were trying to escape unless

1:06:58

there were letters written and none of those letters

1:07:00

would have come forward as that really easy

1:07:03

to communicate outwardly from such

1:07:05

a prison arm but it was

1:07:07

sad that a white boat was seen

1:07:09

on the waters that night and that's really

1:07:12

what kind of fuel this particular subs

1:07:14

theory anger mean

1:07:16

there is a busy place ambler the place

1:07:18

me any a bow him

1:07:20

to be any

1:07:21

what kind of coming back to the families

1:07:24

theory they believed that mickey cohen ellsworth

1:07:27

bumpy johnson and whitey bulger

1:07:29

might have a range for a boat to be waiting

1:07:32

for the men once they reach the shore the

1:07:34

really continued to say that the motivation

1:07:36

behind the mob helping them was

1:07:39

that is they could help one group get

1:07:41

out of alcatraz than they could continue

1:07:43

this trend in help others get out of alcatraz

1:07:46

subsequently getting out more and more people

1:07:48

that were closer to their particular

1:07:50

group or what have you but it's about

1:07:53

the way be gone on to the shore and then

1:07:55

help them with about it in that's

1:07:58

what they were saying i

1:08:00

would imagine that they would kind of maybe health

1:08:02

the raft along or maybe on them with a vehicle

1:08:04

because they would definitely need a vehicle once

1:08:06

they were on the shore or least

1:08:08

dry clothes and all that sorta good stuff

1:08:11

yeah that's what the family was saying ah man

1:08:13

has done that this is a weird thing

1:08:16

the just be like okay will help you out

1:08:18

and then from there that's will

1:08:20

use as a base a help other be on

1:08:22

now

1:08:24

the other details or little hairy to me but

1:08:26

what is interesting with regards

1:08:28

to this particular sub theory is

1:08:30

that the mob members actually wrote the

1:08:33

a england's from time to time thinking

1:08:35

their sons for getting alcatraz shut

1:08:37

down we briefly touched on it but the fact

1:08:40

that these three may or may not have gotten out

1:08:42

alive does it matter they got

1:08:44

out somebody in december got out

1:08:46

and got recaptured but again they

1:08:48

got out to the point was that

1:08:51

they showed that this was not an unbreakable

1:08:53

prison that people could escape and

1:08:55

it is what fed into chris

1:08:57

of what year did alcatraz get shut down because this

1:08:59

is truly part of the way

1:09:02

that really got this please sit down in the mob is like great

1:09:04

thanks we no longer have to worry about

1:09:06

this extra problematic for isn't

1:09:08

nineteen sixty three nineteen sixty three or

1:09:11

even closer to this than i than

1:09:13

i remember either later but the yeah

1:09:15

right on the heels of these two escapes and sixty to

1:09:17

be wrong to the family pets

1:09:21

the same question do we have those letters

1:09:23

we are where are you again and i know your luck

1:09:25

and i know you're looking for like what are you have

1:09:27

them why would they write

1:09:29

to the families i know maybe

1:09:31

just have to flaunt their amicus here's

1:09:33

the thing the mob is like whatever the f b i can

1:09:35

read these letters doesn't matter and it also

1:09:38

doesn't say whether the sun's lived or died it's just

1:09:40

to say hey the

1:09:42

i don't know you brought you want you guys coming

1:09:44

to the family like maybe who are in greece

1:09:47

and you're like hey thanks when

1:09:51

the f b i these that

1:09:53

down questions

1:09:56

the ought to so overly is really a

1:09:58

thing it's interesting

1:10:01

i mean that's that's another reason why a mystery

1:10:03

like this not really a full mystery

1:10:05

it's just the outcome would

1:10:07

happen to these three man is really the renewed every

1:10:09

within misery oreo fear for sure

1:10:12

but yeah i mean it's the fact that we don't have these

1:10:14

supposed letters and postcards

1:10:16

that that kind of you know that us is the

1:10:18

nature of mysteries raise red the

1:10:21

hearsay yep you be

1:10:23

like a be gay thing that's like concrete

1:10:26

yeah i feel like every episode i have to like

1:10:29

illegal that's why the mr but i mean like it

1:10:31

is what it is i just like i just hate know having answers

1:10:33

sometimes wouldn't be a misery have been yeah yeah

1:10:36

exactly boat and that's why we talk about

1:10:39

this is a year that i think

1:10:41

i flipped over to the other side i think that they

1:10:43

did make it the

1:10:46

facial recognition the

1:10:49

arena postcard you something on

1:10:52

it's on odds own by i think that a

1:10:55

picture itself or they it's hard for me to

1:10:58

the go them just

1:11:00

faking that yeah

1:11:02

well as christian kind of wraps up is like

1:11:04

is all research their the letters themselves

1:11:07

have yet to be validated due to lack of response

1:11:09

from burgers attorney so

1:11:11

the question has been put out as to

1:11:13

the validity of these letters but we just

1:11:15

don't know

1:11:17

yeah just like a post guards there is no

1:11:19

photographic proof or evidence that these

1:11:21

letters exists the family claims to

1:11:23

on them and his claims to have shown them to journalists

1:11:26

and whatnot and they are all supposedly

1:11:28

postmarked with postmarked return address of address federal

1:11:30

prison in florida

1:11:32

there's no case okay so

1:11:34

there's a lot to unpack there because i could

1:11:36

just leave it as is and move on with my life but

1:11:39

that implies two things one that they've

1:11:41

got a lot of good juicy details

1:11:43

that they've given to journalist whose entire

1:11:45

job is predicated on exposing

1:11:47

stop and market about stuff and know that

1:11:49

happened secondly the these

1:11:51

men have been ingested readjusted

1:11:54

into the prison system in florida

1:11:57

no one knows or his get

1:11:59

goofy the a goofy

1:12:01

so messy well the

1:12:03

last thing i want to say is kind of coming back to that

1:12:05

boat that i was spit on about because it was an sf

1:12:07

police officer that said that they saw a

1:12:09

boat in the ocean or in the bay rally

1:12:12

around that night had no lights

1:12:14

on which is in ordinary yeah

1:12:16

that's not a northern not an ordinary

1:12:18

ordinary but the only light

1:12:20

that they saw on the boat was a flashlight

1:12:23

scanning the water as if looking for people

1:12:25

that were out there that's why the

1:12:27

police officer game for with that information but other

1:12:29

police officers were never able to

1:12:31

find such a boat no

1:12:33

but whatever proven to have existed

1:12:36

and so who's to say that

1:12:39

was ever their or a part of this mystery

1:12:41

at all yeah the mean

1:12:43

to a break on the gas

1:12:45

pedal the bones

1:12:47

that baby rip into the cod help

1:12:49

and see i will say i think are both sona

1:12:52

petals i think you just push little i've seen titanic

1:12:54

all yeah i think they just do adding i

1:12:56

will allow and they say full steam ahead

1:12:58

and then some poor lad has to go school earlier

1:13:01

and , or a lever it's locked in in my

1:13:03

head i met met are times

1:13:05

that all i do both as

1:13:07

more just like a lover yeah i know

1:13:09

i like the know i though like

1:13:12

dare tell i would like a pedal on a boat

1:13:15

wake me really slim nano

1:13:17

just gauges republica marcell

1:13:19

more sense

1:13:20

then you know waves but like as your your

1:13:23

, obama the way i'm mainly slam and on

1:13:25

the saddle dollar here to

1:13:28

sink yeah

1:13:31

i mean of a police are cause you

1:13:33

know did you mean this little bit of the

1:13:36

you nine i'm less consolidate hear the

1:13:38

end what it all the letters or are

1:13:40

hard to believe it's a fight

1:13:43

on the cusp of like believable but their

1:13:45

yards same time so oil

1:13:47

having the journalist like

1:13:49

there so open about showing these letters

1:13:51

and having it be publicly

1:13:53

the having a be

1:13:55

public information like why wouldn't we just get

1:13:57

the phonographic pieces of

1:14:00

the i'm then

1:14:02

what about the and quite add

1:14:04

up didn't quite make sense be a police

1:14:06

officer so that summers credible reporting

1:14:09

that lake lights are off some

1:14:11

with the flash i look around

1:14:13

then why did

1:14:17

the report it or if they were

1:14:19

placed i was on like boat patrol way

1:14:21

to go up and say hey turn on your life

1:14:24

right i just

1:14:25

lot of extra questions with yeah open

1:14:27

ended statements in this is just the someone's

1:14:30

questions or but i can see i'm going i saw

1:14:32

that i went whatever know my problem the

1:14:34

only know where well

1:14:37

that ends the escape from

1:14:39

alcatraz pretty much known as the greatest

1:14:41

escape

1:14:42

the ever devised with in a prison

1:14:44

especially given the the circular and

1:14:46

i mean i can see why yeah they

1:14:49

have full damn control the facility

1:14:51

oh yeah has also they run

1:14:53

that place now but as christian mentioned

1:14:55

this place was shut down only one year

1:14:58

later if if even that

1:15:00

the rest of this the the fate

1:15:02

of the men are kind of still up in the air i'm up be very

1:15:04

curious to see in the subsequent years

1:15:07

following this episodes release

1:15:09

esa if these letters don't come out at some

1:15:11

point has it took until twenty twenty

1:15:13

almost sixty years later for

1:15:16

this photo to come out so

1:15:18

i'll be interested to see if there are things floating

1:15:20

around the family as like heirloom race or whatever

1:15:22

like my going on will they expose it especially

1:15:25

when the age of each man is

1:15:27

is meant to reach ninety nine and the official

1:15:29

for investigation shuts down broadly

1:15:32

monday finally rules on i'll

1:15:34

i'll yeah like bay blade

1:15:36

baby let her rip and bar that

1:15:38

evidence out so interested i

1:15:41

really want to know but anyway this has been

1:15:43

the escape from alcatraz i'm so happy

1:15:45

we covered this one because i i've gotta love

1:15:47

this mystery ever since i saw that what i think

1:15:49

it's a seventy nine silver the lever twenty

1:15:51

so and cleaning it every day or two has

1:15:53

frank more as a result i don't up on the cover

1:15:56

by yeah the way

1:15:58

i mean i think that got away i think

1:16:00

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1:16:02

to i don't know a habit of frank morris release

1:16:05

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1:16:07

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