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valet through Fort's who selection varies

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by location while supplies last. When

0:36

a fishing boat pulled in its

0:38

net, they expected the usual catch,

0:41

until they hauled up something far

0:43

heavier. Tangled in the lines was

0:45

a body strapped to a strange

0:47

metal frame. For decades, no one

0:50

knew his name, and he was

0:52

only known by a grim nickname.

0:54

Today, we uncover the mystery of

0:57

The Rackman. This is Red Webb. Welcome

1:06

back Task Force to another episode

1:09

of Red Web, the podcast all

1:11

about unsolved mysteries, true crime, and

1:13

the supernatural. I am your resident

1:16

mystery enthusiast Trevor Collins, and joining

1:18

me, hearing this case for the

1:20

very first time, Alfredo Diaz. All

1:23

right, okay, we're out at C.

1:25

I'm all about it. Any mystery

1:28

that has to do with the

1:30

C or space is, I'm 100%

1:32

in. It's absolutely terrifying. but yet

1:35

so beautiful they're wanting the same to

1:37

me yeah yeah we're just like not really

1:39

discovered we don't really like mess

1:41

with it too much but we're out

1:43

there sometimes yeah we're just out there

1:45

kicking our little legs paddling along until

1:48

we dig up a body that shouldn't

1:50

be there and this is a really

1:52

really interesting one and honestly we are

1:54

back in Australia I don't know if

1:56

there's something in the water or if

1:58

I've got a fever and the only

2:00

prescription is more Australia because I feel

2:02

like this year we've had like every

2:05

other mystery feels like it's happening in

2:07

Australia so here's a we're pouring some

2:09

out for you Aussie's here's a shoey

2:11

for you oh God just another true

2:13

crime down under I mean it's a

2:16

terrifying place how many times you see

2:18

a tic-tog video where there's just some

2:20

giant spider or snake or scorpion in

2:22

someone's house and Australians are built different

2:24

man they're like yeah You know, it's

2:27

just, yeah, we run into that every

2:29

once in a while. I'm like, yeah,

2:31

yeah, dude, if I get a mosquito

2:33

in my house, I hear a zoon

2:36

in the night, I'm terrified, I'm freaking,

2:38

I'm gonna get bitten up, let alone

2:40

having one of the world's deadliest spiders,

2:42

like, just chilling in my house. Yeah,

2:44

I saw a silver fish in my

2:47

closet the other day, and I almost

2:49

ran a fire drill. So everything Australia

2:51

feels like it's out to get you,

2:53

it's out to get you, it's out,

2:56

it's out, it's out, it's out, it's

2:58

out, it's out, like, like, like, like,

3:00

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:02

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:04

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:07

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:09

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:11

But anyway, yeah, we are in the

3:13

outback, essentially, not really the outback, but

3:16

we are in Australia. And this case

3:18

is super, super interesting. And you'll come

3:20

to find, we do know the individual

3:22

that was found, you know, we'll watch

3:24

as we move from the 90s into

3:27

the turn of the century and DNA

3:29

comes to play eventually. So there are

3:31

some modern revelations, but really, man, the

3:33

questions behind this are really fascinating. And

3:36

I think we're gonna get a good

3:38

idea of the picture at play. But

3:40

there's going to be one big hanging

3:42

question that creates so much, like just

3:44

a lot of morbid curiosity around this

3:47

case, of course, being the rack itself,

3:49

that he got this nickname for, the

3:51

Rackman. But before we dive in, as

3:53

always, I love to give those shout-outs

3:56

to the task force members who support

3:58

us directly over at red web pod.com.

4:00

We got the buff minds, you know,

4:02

muscular, vascular veins on those brains, circular

4:04

vascular veins on those brains, circular veins

4:07

on those brains, circular, circularurbsular veins on

4:09

those brains. The ones that Fredo is

4:11

always trying to have new machinations for

4:13

how to melt are squank to your

4:15

members Brett O'Mura G and Mitch W.

4:18

Just to name a few of them.

4:20

All I gotta say about that is,

4:22

you know, we give shout-outs for our

4:24

squank members and... If you don't hear

4:27

a squank member's name after a while,

4:29

just know, I got him. You got

4:31

him. Okay, so that's what that is.

4:33

Got the ass. Got him. I figured,

4:35

listen, I figured it was a complacency

4:38

thing, you know, we continue to thank

4:40

them for their amazing support because they

4:42

are tremendous. And then, you know. Fredo

4:44

ends up using me as some sort

4:47

of nice bait and then I lull

4:49

them into the false sense of security

4:51

with hospitality and gratefulness and then you

4:53

go I looked at you bam puddle

4:55

I mean it's essentially a hitless what

4:58

you're reading don't hear the name after

5:00

a while just know they're a wet

5:02

rag in a jar with their name

5:04

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5:27

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5:31

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5:33

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5:35

So please come. favorite mysteries, let's see

5:38

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5:40

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5:42

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5:44

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5:46

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5:49

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5:51

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5:53

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5:55

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or the mysteries and we love to

6:00

see what you guys want to hear

6:02

from us but with that Freido let's

6:04

dive in I'm gonna take you down

6:06

under and all the way back to

6:09

August 11th 1994 a fisherman named Mark

6:11

Peterson and his crew were out on

6:13

the Hawksbury River the river is just

6:15

north of Sydney Australia and reaches out

6:18

towards the Pacific Ocean per their later

6:20

reports around lunchtime the fishermen released a

6:22

net from the Lady Marian which is

6:24

the name of the boat they were

6:26

on and eventually they felt a heavy

6:29

tug so strong in fact that almost

6:31

like an anchor it lurch the boat

6:33

to the side. Now just to give

6:35

you a more specific idea of where

6:38

we're at this is a long river

6:40

we're almost directly north of Sydney at

6:42

this point about 19 miles maybe 30

6:44

kilometers at a point called Cohen New

6:46

South Wales. This is where the river's

6:49

mouth kind of opens up into the

6:51

Pacific, so if this is the scene

6:53

of dumping the body, it's almost like

6:55

this man could have been lost to

6:58

the wilds of the ocean, you know

7:00

what I mean? Right. So the crew

7:02

now responding to this lurch of the

7:04

ship begins pulling up the net, and

7:06

when they do so, they found a

7:09

strange metal contraption covered in black plastic

7:11

sheeting or bags. It's really hard to

7:13

say in various reports have... different descriptions,

7:15

but black plastic sheeting of some type.

7:18

According to news.com.au, an online Australia news

7:20

outlet, Peterson said this to reporters, quote,

7:22

as I pulled it in, I saw

7:24

there were plastic bags tied to it,

7:26

and then I saw a bone stuck

7:29

out of one of those bags, end

7:31

quote. So think of this, Fredo, you're

7:33

a fisherman, you're out on the boat,

7:35

you're doing your thing, something yanks on

7:37

your net, and then when you pull

7:40

that up, it's heavy, and you see

7:42

bones. What is your first move? What

7:44

are you thinking at this moment? Uh,

7:46

you gotta call a police, you know?

7:49

Yeah. Call the authorities. Someone else, you

7:51

know? Someone else, you know? Someone needs

7:53

to come take this off my hands,

7:55

you know? Yeah. Let me go ahead

7:57

and write up a report. I go,

8:00

damn it, like, here goes my day.

8:02

Right. I'm just looking for dinner, you

8:04

know? Right, right. Which is like, also

8:06

unfortunate, because, you know, someone has passed

8:09

away. The person pulling it out is

8:11

like, oh, that's that might be what

8:13

I think it is. Yeah. It's like

8:15

unfortunate that someone was essentially murdered and

8:17

then dumped into the ocean. style. Right.

8:20

That does seem to be what's happening.

8:22

Yeah. And now it's like, okay, call

8:24

it authorities. I'm not worried about getting

8:26

in trouble. You know, you're fisherman, you

8:29

have a license, and you just happen

8:31

to dig something up. The same way

8:33

that people like throw those magnets and

8:35

those ponds and creeks and they pull

8:37

out like guns or explosives. Yeah. I've

8:40

seen those videos, people like, you know,

8:42

pull that out. They call the authorities

8:44

right away. Terrify there might be more

8:46

bodies, you know. Oh my god, you

8:49

might have stumbled into a little graveyard

8:51

or something. Yeah, man, like seriously. Yeah,

8:53

there goes the day essentially, like this

8:55

is gonna be a whole thing. 100%.

8:57

Yeah, it is unfortunate to stumble in,

9:00

but I love that I asked you,

9:02

right? to compliment myself, mostly because you

9:04

have such a good instinct for this

9:06

kind of thing. And when you hear

9:09

these cases for the first time, I

9:11

always want to get your gut checked,

9:13

because I'm super in the weeds with

9:15

Jillian and Christian, and we know all

9:17

the ins and outs, but I want

9:20

to make sure that I hear from

9:22

the audience, like you're that proxy, because

9:24

what does one do in a situation

9:26

like that? And what your feeling is

9:28

very much what they were feeling? dumped

9:31

out here in this strange heavy manner

9:33

with this metal contraption and when they

9:35

look closer they realized something was definitely

9:37

wrong. The bones certainly started to look

9:40

a little bit more human in the

9:42

size and shape at least that's their

9:44

kind of inclination and it is attached

9:46

to this metal frame. So of course

9:48

per your gut instinct Peterson contacted the

9:51

broken bay water police. The crew along

9:53

with the police brought the body to

9:55

Patanga Wharf along the river where Gossford

9:57

physical evidence officer confirmed that these were

10:00

indeed human remains. So it does look

10:02

like the scene is this. A person

10:04

was tied to a metal structure wrapped

10:06

in the plastic and then thrown into

10:08

the water. The next day on August

10:11

12th, the body was then taken to

10:13

New South Wales Institute of Forensic Medicine

10:15

in Glebe a suburb of Sydney. So

10:17

in Glebe, forensic pathologist Dr. Chris Lawrence

10:20

studied the body and the metal structure

10:22

itself. Now here is a gruesome term

10:24

I'm not sure if you've ever heard

10:26

it, called grave wax. It had formed

10:28

on the corpse which luckily did do

10:31

some level of preservation to keep some

10:33

of the victim's features and it did

10:35

help later on in the identification. But

10:37

grave wax, also called corpse wax, is

10:40

known as Adiposir, that's the scientific term,

10:42

and it forms when body fat is

10:44

exposed to moisture and bacteria turning it

10:46

into this soap-like substance, this waxy material

10:48

that coats you, and it often prevents

10:51

further decomposition of internal organs as well

10:53

as the face, though we will find,

10:55

as we talk about this case, there

10:57

is some level of decomposition that definitely

11:00

makes identifying the body quite difficult. Yeah,

11:02

no, I've never heard about that, but

11:04

I mean... Yeah, it sounds up to

11:06

par. There's all kinds of different ways

11:08

that the body decays and then depending

11:11

on environment, like that's the whole thing

11:13

too as well. Yeah, I mean, like,

11:15

depending on the environment you've been in,

11:17

you know, what is the, oh gosh,

11:19

now I've blinked. There's like that prehistoric

11:22

man or woman that died from like

11:24

a puncture wound in their back, but

11:26

they're up in the mountains where it's

11:28

cold and dry and dry and they

11:31

were frozen rapidly. It also reminds me

11:33

of the case, and we talked about

11:35

this in an episode, spontaneous human combustion,

11:37

and some of the theories involved around

11:39

that do relate to perhaps grave wax,

11:42

but specifically the body fat and how

11:44

that comes to play, and maybe that's

11:46

part of what's burning, almost like a

11:48

human candle kind of situation. Oh, God,

11:51

weird. Yeah. But otherwise, it's not often

11:53

that we talk about a case that

11:55

includes this adiposir element, you know? So

11:57

Dr. Lawrence identified the body as a

11:59

man. And he noted that it had

12:02

been submerged for about 6 to 12

12:04

months based on decay and everything he

12:06

was seeing. The body itself was attached

12:08

to this frame, this metal material, with

12:11

a rope. There was an orange, non-slip

12:13

knot at the throat and another tie

12:15

around the waist. The body may have

12:17

been attached at the wrist and ankles

12:19

as well, but sources kind of vary

12:22

on this. As far as the frame

12:24

or the so-called rack, it was a

12:26

long piece of flat metal about six

12:28

feet long or 1.82 meters, and it

12:31

had... multiple metal bars welded to it.

12:33

I believe four rods at almost equidistant

12:35

length going down it, but these four

12:37

rods were welded to the main length

12:39

of metal, evenly spaced, and some were

12:42

described as having bent around the body,

12:44

almost kind of like a ribcage, and

12:46

presumably that was to hold the body

12:48

in the frame, right? So imagine now

12:50

a long six foot piece of metal,

12:53

and then almost like a T with

12:55

multiple cross sections, you have four rods.

12:57

And this is where descriptions vary depending

12:59

on the source. Some say that all

13:02

four of these rods were curved like

13:04

a ribcage. Some have them all as

13:06

straight. Some have the middle two as

13:08

curved in the top and bottom ones

13:10

as straight. But either way we do

13:13

have at least a visual like an

13:15

artistic rendition of this as well as

13:17

one of the rare photos of this

13:19

rack on the vessel itself for you

13:22

if you want to take a look.

13:24

Oh my goodness. Oh wow. Yeah, it's

13:26

a rod up the middle. And then

13:28

crossing our one two three four rods

13:30

the base starts at the ankles then

13:33

the neck so yeah pretty securely ties

13:35

the body down so like this is

13:37

terrifying because like what was the cause

13:39

of death essentially I'm trying to get

13:42

out here right that's the question because

13:44

when you're tying someone down like that

13:46

it's two things you know you want

13:48

them to drown to death or you

13:50

know you really want to secure the

13:53

body as it sinks down to the

13:55

ground, but either way, you know, it

13:57

could be both of those things together

13:59

simultaneously. Oof. I mean, your head's in

14:02

the right place. That's the right question

14:04

to be asking is, was he deceased

14:06

before tying to the rod? Is the

14:08

rod just a way to anchor them

14:10

to the bottom of this body of

14:13

water? Or was it more gruesome to

14:15

your question? Is it that they were

14:17

alive when submerged? But take a look

14:19

at the second image as well. You

14:22

can kind of see it's an old

14:24

photo, right? You can see the rack

14:26

on the boat itself. It's a little

14:28

hard to make out there. But you

14:30

see the top and the bottom cross

14:33

sections or those cross rods better? Yeah,

14:35

it looks like a plank with like

14:37

flimsy little rods. Yeah, like it's one

14:39

of the top ones is like bent.

14:41

Yeah, the reference like the photo that

14:44

has like a kind of like a

14:46

drawn piece. It looks like a much

14:48

sturdier rod that she used throughout the

14:50

advice. But here it looks like a

14:53

plank with like just little. I don't

14:55

know what the word is for the

14:57

thin rods like that that they use

14:59

in like concrete and stuff but that

15:01

oh those like those steel rods yeah

15:04

what are those called there's still rods

15:06

but I thought they specifically had like

15:08

a name but it looks like that

15:10

rebar rebar that's what it is yeah

15:13

but you're right it does it does

15:15

look like that and the redish and

15:17

like it does make it look like

15:19

it does make it look like that

15:21

look like it does make it look

15:24

like I don't know so maybe the

15:26

bends are from dragging it up or

15:28

from it hitting the bottom or just

15:30

from it being scrap metal who knows

15:33

true now with regards to the plastic

15:35

bags there's a lot of questions around

15:37

that you know so investigators started to

15:39

think well is this a way to

15:41

conceal the body while it's being transported

15:44

who knows is this a way to

15:46

kind of prevent them from seeing where

15:48

they're going is this a way to

15:50

for some reason prevent decay or slow

15:53

it down a lot of questions remain

15:55

around that Now what is certain is

15:57

that the man had essentially been crucified

15:59

to this custom-made steel frame. To be

16:01

precise, you know, a literal crucifixion is

16:04

not what we're looking at. But it

16:06

does paint a very morbidly accurate portrait

16:08

of the scene at hand, right? At

16:10

least tied at the neck and waist,

16:13

if not also at the knees and

16:15

elbows. So investigators determined, of course, that

16:17

the frame was custom-made. Whoever made this

16:19

made it with the intent of doing

16:21

exactly this, and that it would have

16:24

been too heavy for one person to

16:26

carry it, especially with the victim attached

16:28

to it. So our suspects pool now

16:30

immediately opens up to a pair or

16:32

maybe a group of individuals. And while

16:35

of course this is still an unsolved

16:37

mystery, it does start to paint that

16:39

profile that we're looking for, does this

16:41

unknown person, this John Doe, have they

16:44

run a foul with a group? Do

16:46

they know a group of people that

16:48

might have it out for them? These

16:50

are more narrow questions than... Anybody you

16:52

know what I mean? Yeah thinking about

16:55

like it could be a group of

16:57

people to do this I mean at

16:59

that point you think is it mafia

17:01

you know that kind of thing good

17:04

questions was in trouble with the mafia

17:06

this doesn't seem like it seemed like

17:08

something a government would necessarily do right

17:10

now that they wouldn't go right kill

17:12

someone but more so like there's cleaner

17:15

ways to dispose of a body if

17:17

the government has the resources you know

17:19

which they would Right. There's accidents that

17:21

could be had and covered up if

17:24

it was a more high profile entity.

17:26

Otherwise, I think your inclination might be

17:28

closer to, you know, the cement shoes

17:30

situation that we've seen in cases before,

17:32

right? Or the mafia put some put

17:35

some weights on an individual and off

17:37

they go. So coming back to Dr.

17:39

Lawrence, after some time, he determined that

17:41

the body belonged to a Caucasian male

17:44

with dark brown hair between the ages

17:46

of 23. and 46. It is quite

17:48

the range, but there's a lot of

17:50

decay. They were roughly 5-2-5-4, so not

17:52

all that tall, so this would be

17:55

probably a more distinct individual, you know,

17:57

between 160 and 166 centimeters, if you

17:59

prefer. Now to be more specific about

18:01

the plastic bags, it seems that two

18:03

of them were used to cover the

18:06

head. Again, questions remain there. I'm very

18:08

curious if you have any thoughts as

18:10

we continue, Frado, but it also appears

18:12

that this John Doe died from blunt

18:15

force trauma to the head, so he

18:17

likely received these blows before being put

18:19

into the water, though whether or not

18:21

to your question he was deceased at

18:23

the time of being attached to the

18:26

frame is unknown, right? Especially with that

18:28

decay. can't really tell like were there

18:30

water in the lungs well probably because

18:32

even if he was deceased before going

18:35

in there was a lot like I

18:37

said of decay happening you know yeah

18:39

there's just so much decays that's so

18:41

hard to tell comparatively to like being

18:43

frozen or just being on dirt or

18:46

just not in water mm-hmm mm-hmm you

18:48

said multiple bags over the head two

18:50

bags that makes me think that they

18:52

hit him over the head and then

18:55

just in case to make sure they

18:57

want to throw two bags to suffocate

18:59

them or maybe not look at the

19:01

person. Ooh, that's an interesting thought. It's

19:03

like, you want to suffocate them but

19:06

you're going to throw them in the

19:08

water anyway. Do you know what I

19:10

mean? So I'm kind of leaning towards

19:12

like, I don't want to look at

19:15

the person's face. Oh man, you're painting

19:17

a picture, I don't really want to

19:19

fully see, but I think you might

19:21

be on to something. Yeah, because it

19:23

feels like you're just doublingering up. you

19:26

throw the bag on the head so

19:28

like if they're not dead there's suffocating

19:30

and then you throw them into the

19:32

water so yeah there's that route too

19:35

so yeah I could see both now

19:37

yeah I'm thinking to you know a

19:39

couple options here as we kind of

19:41

brainstorm on this kind of curious beat

19:43

here let's say there's a bag on

19:46

the head you know they hit him

19:48

on the head and what if that

19:50

created a split in the bag or

19:52

whatever and Again, to your point, they

19:54

don't want to see it. They don't

19:57

want to create a blood trail for

19:59

the sake of forensics. They don't want

20:01

to... Oh yeah, that too. Yeah, let

20:03

this person's identity be seen by anybody.

20:06

But also, even more morbidly, what if

20:08

they're just trying to create a rudiment?

20:10

I'll be at a very temporary seal,

20:12

right? You know, like if you're trying

20:14

to breathe in a plastic bag, which

20:17

is quite dangerous, please don't ever do

20:19

that. But like, if they're trying to,

20:21

so to speak, torture somebody and they

20:23

do that and then they throw them

20:26

in the water, does it make the

20:28

experience even worse, is all I'm trying

20:30

to say. You know what I mean?

20:32

Like, is the goal here to really

20:34

punish this person in a gruesome way?

20:37

And it's kind of watertight, so they're

20:39

alive a little bit longer than they

20:41

should be. I don't know. Ooh, tough.

20:43

Yeah, all of it's pretty gruesome. Yeah.

20:46

You know, it's odd to explore, but

20:48

it also, again, paints a better picture

20:50

as to who is capable of something

20:52

like this? Who would want to? What

20:54

was their motive to go this far,

20:57

essentially? But in the end, when found,

20:59

what made it difficult to identify them?

21:01

The water had removed his fingerprints, his

21:03

face had started to decompose some, and

21:06

DNA testing wasn't as widely available as

21:08

it is at this time, right? So

21:10

we're at that turn of the century

21:12

where it's becoming more approachable, it's becoming

21:14

more part of these cases, but it

21:17

won't be really a part of this

21:19

case for yet some time. Now the

21:21

time spent underwater and normal decomposition made

21:23

it difficult to get that DNA sample,

21:26

right? So Dr. Chris Griffiths studied the

21:28

body's teeth and he found that there

21:30

were no fillings so dental records would

21:32

be a little bit more complicated. They

21:34

wouldn't be as unique. However, he did

21:37

note that the face had an unusual

21:39

bone structure and so this person might

21:41

have had a misshapen face or at

21:43

least a very distinct look and so

21:45

that does kind of start to help

21:48

close the gap a little bit. But

21:50

either way, the man could not be

21:52

matched with anybody from any existing missing

21:54

reports at the time, and so he

21:57

was given the name unknown human remains

21:59

E48293. But most news outlets called him

22:01

the rack. man. Oh, it's I mean,

22:03

like whoever named it, that was a

22:05

good name. I'm gonna sell some copies.

22:08

That's, you know, yeah, for sure. That's

22:10

a menacing like name. It's not even

22:12

like a person that's doing the merge,

22:14

it's the person that got murdered. Yeah,

22:17

it just paints that very vivid, unfortunate

22:19

picture, right? And so at this point,

22:21

we have an unknown human who's essentially

22:23

reduced to a nickname and a number.

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it but there's also like how many times

52:32

there's I mean how many serial killers were

52:34

just like if that person stopped at just

52:36

one would we have caught them oh my

52:38

gosh yeah and and that goes over bank

52:40

robberies all that kind of stuff it's scary

52:43

to think but like yeah you could just

52:45

have a neighbor who you like no or

52:47

a friend and that you you know met

52:49

in your older years or whatever or and

52:51

it's just like yeah they did some pretty

52:53

heinous stuff doesn't even have to

52:55

be like it could be like it

52:58

could be under law, you know what

53:00

I mean? They, you know, there's people

53:02

that, you know, they're veterans and they've

53:05

taken lives, you know, you know,

53:07

you know, during their active duty to

53:09

defend the country. And so, man, you

53:11

just, it doesn't necessarily have to be

53:14

like this heinous illegal murder, it

53:16

could be a legal one. And it's

53:18

just like, oh, okay. Yeah, you're just

53:20

a normal person that's taking a life

53:23

that lives next door. It's crazy.

53:25

The world was pure, I was playing

53:27

with my Tinker toys, then I

53:29

was playing with my video games.

53:31

simpler, simpler without knowing. But there's,

53:33

again, but like as you know,

53:35

there's just something drawing about the

53:38

darker side, the unknown side certainly

53:40

of the underbelly of humanity. Oh

53:42

yeah. And with that, we closed

53:44

the chapter on yet another unsolved

53:46

case. This is the rackman, also

53:48

known as the crucifixion of Max

53:50

Tenchevski. Task Force, let us know

53:52

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from your classics to classics, man. Yeah,

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we recently did 1933's Invisible Man, which

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54:26

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54:28

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54:30

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54:32

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54:34

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54:38

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54:41

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54:45

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