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is a

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rooster teeth production

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the height of the illegal moonshine trade

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a pair of brothers and their cousin disappeared

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without a trace given their known

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involvement in the illegitimate business series

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ranged from believing they were in a tragic accident

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to thinking they fall victim to the criminal

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trade today ,

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discuss the puzzling case of the branch

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or die disappearance this

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come back everybody to read where the so

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trevor collins and with me as always bringing

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audience asking all those juicy questions

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yup questions yup di as for never did

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it oh go and write it down a

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peace paper her netting and and is sealed

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on below then i'll check

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that the and see if you're right i died

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down by be one of a did did you get

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your you have no idea what the mysteries you just write down

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with no name why did over

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to me that would blow me loud even verify

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that i would honor roll photograph

1:19

i don't know because it isn't solve this

1:21

was interesting because it rides

1:23

that line between you know that true crime

1:25

in a murder is on the grable here

1:28

that also you know people could disappear

1:30

for other less sinister reasons

1:33

and yeah this one's clouded

1:35

by a lot of it

1:37

, like there's drama zones

1:40

have been this have been the might be a lot of hearsay

1:42

in this episode oh yeah oh yeah that's because

1:44

even in the hook it went very quickly

1:46

from missing do orders

1:49

right raimi nightmares like us at murders

1:51

on the table but there's a lot of things

1:53

clouding the facts here that

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again there's a reason why a

1:58

lot of the things we talk about or unsolved in right

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in a case it's because there's a lot of misinformation

2:02

and lacking information to this

2:05

day also you eat your time are people

2:07

who are doing illegal things so yeah this

2:09

is like will not have around episodes

2:11

of about the mobs of us that's like how do you really

2:14

trust whatever the to discipline allies

2:16

they they live their their their code is lying

2:19

right you know ass off as

2:21

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2:23

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2:26

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2:28

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in the evening on march third at nineteen

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fifty six two brothers as was

3:38

their cousin were all at a family gathering

3:40

in start is alabama later

3:43

on they decided that they wanted to leave and go to

3:45

a party in robin would

3:47

just north of birmingham so

3:49

we have two brothers billie howard nineteen

3:51

years old and robert earl die

3:54

twenty three years old as well as they're older cousin

3:56

dan brasher who was thirty eight

3:58

the three of them low

3:59

get into billy's 1947, green

4:02

ford and drove off into the

4:04

night, never to be seen again it

4:06

was raining heavily and there were very few cars

4:08

on the road which could not only

4:11

into the conditions of what happened that but

4:13

also play into the law eyewitness

4:16

accounts they didn't come home that next

4:18

morning or even the next few mornings

4:20

but their family wasn't too concerned out the gate

4:23

because the three often went out drinking

4:25

for days at a time so

4:27

it wasn't and usual for them to

4:29

kind of peter in and out of the since what

4:31

ears is this was back in nineteen sixty

4:33

six figures there was no drinking

4:36

age limit the drinking age i believe

4:38

at that time would have been sixteen

4:41

christian it depends on the state oh

4:43

by how a out there was no him

4:45

as he was eighteen one of the rose was nine

4:47

teams i guess yeah because

4:49

it would depend on the state yeah it wasn't twenty one

4:51

at that time that i remember the

4:54

rule nineteen drinking and parents like

4:56

yeah this is what they do we

4:58

, sad his meds wilde

5:01

nineteen german moonshine unplug

5:03

my own mind legally southern southern

5:06

chords to

5:08

move where you thing about moonshine

5:10

to is that it's incredibly or at least

5:12

i don't have anything to be more illegal than

5:14

the next thing but it was illegal yeah

5:17

hands so even if there was even if

5:19

age if you're off in the woods moonrise

5:22

the lucky to get yourself some

5:24

the goodness the age

5:26

gap to is a pretty broad

5:29

three broad i'm nineteen twenty three thirty

5:31

eight that cousin is twice the age

5:33

of billie in new and after drinking

5:36

with years cousin that are

5:38

twenty three nineteen having

5:40

a good time apparently are you getting

5:43

lost for maybe maybe let let

5:45

that be the moral of this potentially nord the

5:47

time of the story the drinking age in alabama

5:49

was twenty one ooh ooh

5:52

wow so arrays

5:54

under age drinking an illegal

5:56

go find another twenty one

5:58

the who said

5:59

the

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host prohibition after ninety their three

6:03

is twenty one and nineteen seventy five

6:05

years lower to nineteen and then

6:07

in nineteen eighty six he was raised back to twenty one

6:09

oh lord , over the place

6:12

what they're a little bad was lauded

6:14

as briefly about how to survive when that

6:16

happened like a week after nineteenth birthday

6:18

and you're like hey can i grandfather this thing and for the

6:20

next two years yeah okay

6:22

so either way either three

6:25

of them didn't come home which wasn't unusual

6:27

didn't raising eyebrows immediately like

6:30

we will soon find out that maybe it shouldn't

6:33

they were also known by the way of course we've covered

6:35

this now to be involved with moon shining which

6:37

can take more than a week to ferment

6:39

and so that's another thing on the table here where

6:41

the families like will maybe they're

6:44

just camping going to be away for little bit

6:46

because they're moonshine

6:47

others assume that the brothers might have gone to jail

6:50

or simply that they would show up eventually

6:52

as i usually did however after

6:55

several more days went by without

6:57

their appearance the family began to worry

6:59

so any and the men didn't really tip

7:01

off anybody as to where they were going that

7:04

kind of that did start to raise some eyebrows

7:06

than after many days of gone by but what

7:08

really tip them off with the fact that none of them has

7:10

stopped by the construction site that they work

7:13

that in order to pick up their paychecks

7:15

now that's the thing that i mean they wouldn't just like hanging

7:18

out in the breeze we're going to get their

7:20

paycheck so i was paycheck day his

7:22

paycheck day came and went in

7:24

go pick amount family goes okay

7:27

that's not typical yeah you go and grab

7:29

your paycheck on paycheck you want to get your page

7:31

right a especially if they're

7:34

making moonshine

7:36

what an illegal in raleigh making

7:39

it so they could sell a psych okay

7:41

most likely were like right where whoop whoop

7:44

their count dollars that night one

7:46

is moonshine legal today i

7:49

don't think you get depends on the county

7:51

i think really why is you'll see it in like

7:54

reality tv now and i guess our dry

7:56

counties with our don't sell liquor

7:59

or there are also depends on where you

8:01

live there are places that say it's illegal

8:03

to brew your own stuff or make distill

8:06

your own liquor in general broadly

8:08

speaking know you can go to the store and pick up

8:10

moonshine roka it

8:13

it all depends on the counties and yeah

8:15

and lot of and how prepared everything's running

8:17

preparing and right so longer counties

8:19

tend to be canals near the smoke

8:21

ease we're in the south mean

8:24

why it has become such a stereotypical

8:26

learn from our learning yeah but

8:28

that's also because there are more counties

8:30

in those areas that aren't our i and that have

8:33

casseroles sanderson yeah it's kind

8:35

of like a little rebellious thing very

8:37

strong and if you make it right yeah very

8:39

sweet sauce

8:42

we've hemorrhage every for was for was moonshine

8:44

yeah yeah yeah we haven't tasted anything but

8:46

the pizza ragged i don't usually

8:49

the biggest hits hard oh yeah now

8:52

they didn't go get their paychecks for the families now

8:54

starting to think our right something is up and

8:56

so because of this curtis brasher

8:58

another cousin and probably brother to dan

9:01

brasher i'm wagering space on the last

9:03

name as well as his father

9:05

when around and started checking local jails

9:08

went to local police stations in search

9:10

of these missing brothers him

9:12

i guess it is now they're like gathered that kind

9:14

of a little bit of some bad apples yeah they've

9:17

you know they might have you go missing a month going

9:19

to check the jailed a mega the police

9:21

and my mom report on my blake

9:24

like the meat tends to jail cell for

9:26

a for trevor family and now it's are sort of

9:28

percent of vivid image of what yeah it's

9:30

the characters are using of the families

9:32

are very much aware of yeah

9:34

kind of like their actions and what they do

9:36

and like the path of their

9:39

on right now right how many days

9:41

after the them driving

9:43

off the was like paycheck day

9:46

that's that's a tough question because again that's

9:48

where some of the details or last serves

9:51

as the story goes it was

9:54

within was week they were really too worried

9:56

about worried about that was standard especially if they're

9:58

saying that moonshine can take a the over week

10:01

and so i imagine it must have been within a

10:03

two week spread that know

10:05

tower is i'm been a little bit of time now the

10:07

paychecks came in when maybe

10:09

now we should start looking for a good

10:11

amount of time yeah though

10:14

the checking the jails chicken police stations and

10:16

with all options seemingly exhausted the

10:18

family decided to file a missing persons

10:21

report for each of them not only the die

10:23

brothers but as well as their cousin been

10:25

brasher from this

10:27

that's where the police got involved in

10:30

the police started interviewing guess of the family

10:32

gathering that they had attended that night

10:34

that they went missing witnesses told

10:36

authorities that while at the gathering the

10:38

three men had been in an argument with roberts

10:41

wife audrey as well as

10:43

another married couple supposedly

10:45

dropped audrey and another couple

10:47

at home and then went to the party

10:50

at billie so this is where it's getting a

10:52

little hairy the whole lot of toyota's

10:54

okay so lane the bally's girlfriend's

10:57

house so family

10:59

gathering they are arguing with roberts

11:01

weiss and yet another cover robber

11:04

is robert is one of

11:06

the brothers side he appeared again and

11:08

now they want to go to a party near birmingham

11:12

you know a bit of a drive away they hop

11:14

in their tracks currently along the way

11:16

they dropped off audrey as well as this other couple

11:18

that they had been arguing with they

11:21

could then go to this party at

11:23

billy's girlfriend's house philly

11:26

being the other brother god has appeared

11:28

that night wow okay yeah a

11:30

mix of okay so kimi cheap meals on

11:32

wheels are they going to have a lot

11:34

of word of mouth it's a lotta

11:36

verbal storytelling and so things get a little

11:39

hairy the details or loss in fact like

11:41

i couldn't even find billy's girlfriend's name

11:44

which is what makes this kind of confusing

11:46

i think there's another case in the future where it's like

11:48

that scene and ferris bueller were who's like my

11:50

best friends brothers sisters girlfriends uncle

11:53

right on him at thirty one flavors last time

11:55

i remember know monitors as a

11:58

merc my go for a mystery

11:59

so now we're

12:02

at the party

12:03

the party they ran into a bootlegger

12:05

that they had been stealing from oh

12:08

snap right leaders

12:12

, terrible be nicer just like and firing

12:14

from the hit our general adding everything

12:17

right onto the scene late crime

12:20

utility belt right they are not on the moral

12:22

path here so lagers

12:24

for what it's worth distances task force you're not

12:26

aware of what they might be there are people who

12:28

illegally transport moonshine and

12:31

they have special modified cars so that

12:33

way they could hold vast amount

12:35

liquids was amount liquids heavy so they

12:37

have special support systems and socks and

12:39

and also these cars are able to drive at high

12:41

speeds basically in case they get chased by

12:43

the cops or what have you so they're now

12:45

stealing from other criminals

12:48

essentially mild also

12:51

distilling their own moonshine very

12:53

seedy underbelly like sort a situation

12:55

where he has criminal enterprises competing

12:58

with other criminal enterprise yes or during

13:00

i'm lee's or whatever might be getting into it

13:02

right here in there but

13:05

what are the stealing ah

13:07

so that's a good question hon chris

13:09

if you have details on what they're stealing but

13:12

they could have been stealing supplies they could have been stealing

13:14

moonshine itself as true for supplies

13:17

and important because there's basically yeah like a lot

13:19

of hardware and tools

13:21

that go into yards having a distiller

13:24

it's a whole set up again you have to feed the

13:26

supplies to in or money in

13:28

lot of it's like not see if you want the good stuff

13:30

ago get that copper so does imbibe

13:32

it with any sort of players or whatever stuff

13:36

like that would make it a bit of a

13:38

target and also they're doing this what on the

13:41

woods yeah merely the

13:43

i usually ray i think of her about that like usually

13:45

to set up as just like out in the was yeah and

13:47

so i mean yeah

13:50

them like he could go raid someone celibacy

13:52

com recruiter he finds out suddenly

13:54

do that i mean there's there's i'll show

13:56

on tv that's kind of about

13:59

that i think exactly was auto

14:01

repair was making moonshine the show like

14:04

they're set up soon isn't the trying

14:06

to talk about too much because some

14:08

they could be illegal their well

14:10

i mean it's also like i guess a concern

14:12

because it's not sharing the

14:14

destination it just looks like woods but yeah

14:17

while kristin continue to look into if

14:19

we can if we can find what they

14:21

might have been stealing i will say moonshine

14:23

is called that because is

14:25

typically operated under the light of the moon

14:28

so there's it's harder to see them

14:30

if they're operating that way and it's also just the

14:32

use the undercover unfortunately generally

14:34

find exactly what they were stealing from these people

14:37

by isn't gonna safe to assume that

14:39

it was something to assist them

14:41

in their bootlegging operation right

14:43

whether it be i mean sending as minor

14:45

as like the crates and jars and things that you harry

14:48

their fluid around or like vessels

14:51

bigger veteran that's to carry things around or

14:53

just supplies for distillery

14:55

you know but , but

14:57

yeah so this is what is said

14:59

to have happened that they ran into a bootlegger

15:02

that they were stealing from at this party party

15:04

in addition to that going down at the party

15:06

that night there was a neighbor to believe

15:08

girlfriend so next door to this party yeah

15:11

they said that her house

15:13

didn't have any running water that night and they

15:15

reported seeing a group of men carrying

15:17

buckets of water to and from the house

15:20

around two around is

15:22

will come back later for a few different reasons

15:24

but whose house bill his girlfriend's how his girlfriend's

15:26

house her yeah so he okay so

15:28

here's the thing are they carrying the

15:30

water i imagine like are

15:32

the well okay yeah so are they carrying

15:34

the water because they're all soda water or this senior

15:37

neighbors water like the source of the waters or clarified

15:39

but because they didn't have running

15:41

water at the house that the party

15:44

that guy air okay shoveling

15:46

buckets from probably a well the probably

15:48

not stealing it but like to

15:50

know what i think that are like are nearby where

15:52

the assets and seem like maybe

15:54

some houses in in the neighborhood is

15:57

that didn't have running water and then run

15:59

a garden hose

15:59

yeah sorry

16:02

okay point water cooler and after finishing

16:04

carrying this water some of the men apparently

16:07

got into billy's car and then the rest

16:09

of the men dot into another

16:11

car with shovels and

16:13

pickaxes and hand my

16:15

mind wants to paint the picture of like this

16:17

this group of men split up because of this

16:20

fight or whatever and one is like come

16:22

after them with pitchforks and such yeah

16:24

the other like i'm trying to run away by the

16:26

way we don't know exactly what went down

16:28

other than the fact that these bucket

16:30

carrying group of people

16:33

split up between two cars one being billy's

16:36

the neighbor then reported seeing one of the cars come

16:38

back that night but not phillies

16:41

so to reiterate bunch of people

16:43

at two am rocket the water

16:46

to influence after

16:48

that they stopped shovel and this water around

16:50

they split up who go into one

16:53

trucks some people get into billie struck

16:55

these two trucks go off into the night later

16:57

on the truck the had all the people with

16:59

tools comes back right

17:02

but billy's truck nowhere to be seen

17:04

out including the people that were in it and it will

17:06

loom is the brother and which was and yeah we would assume

17:09

as as the three people at hand here so

17:11

an employee of a nearby store told authorities

17:14

that a man had come into his store the

17:16

morning of march fourth this is the

17:18

very next morning they asked

17:21

for quotes anything that might

17:23

remove blood from a floor the

17:25

clerk then recommended red devil lie

17:28

it's like an acidic material but you thrive use and

17:30

baking are they bought that material

17:32

but ultimately it's unknown whether or not the police

17:34

acted on this tip from

17:36

the store merchant store try to figure out who

17:39

came in asking for this and why

17:41

they were trying to remove blood from the floor

17:43

where floor where a farmer could have been a former

17:45

absolutely well that's the

17:47

thing that that opens the door to

17:49

well maybe this is why the police didn't chase it down

17:52

maybe they should have chased it down writers

17:54

are you spin into uh-huh

17:56

different variations of timelines

18:00

yeah so that's kind of the eyewitness reports

18:02

that we have so far that night not very many

18:04

now heading into the investigation phase

18:07

curtis the cousin that was kind

18:09

of going around the jail cells in the police

18:11

stations to figure out where these brothers in this

18:13

cousin was ah you know see was

18:15

not pleased with the lack of attention coming

18:17

from the police so he took it upon himself

18:20

to contact state officials in

18:22

hopes of them taking over this

18:24

case in perhaps taking this much more

18:26

seriously so they could figure something out at least

18:28

maybe make some progress and

18:30

we will kind of get into perhaps

18:33

the lack of attention there's some theories

18:35

as to why the police might not have

18:37

did in this the proper attention which leads

18:39

us to today which is why we don't have

18:42

as much information as one might expect

18:45

on a kid room maybe the

18:47

like yeah hippie more sit maybe that merging

18:49

that they are stealing from had

18:51

the police in the pocket oh

18:54

telling you this guess clairvoyant ah

18:58

months i mean your eyes i

19:01

think you're close as far as like with the fear year

19:03

so and we're getting there were almost there since he

19:05

started writing letters he wrote one to j

19:07

edgar hoover insect our

19:10

mer yes the former director of the f b i

19:12

so we've clearly things very seriously

19:14

he's the one who and initiate the search locally

19:17

by going to the jails the please he's

19:19

immediately going to police aren't doing enough let

19:21

me go to the state officials let me go to the f b i cause

19:23

i need to figure out what's going on here after writing

19:25

enough letters the sheriff assigned deputy

19:28

tom ellison permanently to

19:30

this case of good on him for really

19:32

making sure he chased us down i wasn't

19:34

lead drilling operations to search

19:36

underneath highway seventy nine in order

19:39

to search for remains to see

19:41

if they were buried beneath the construction

19:43

seems like a bit of a left turn now in

19:45

know why are they were searching highway

19:47

seventy nine and i will say that this is the

19:50

construction site that i talked about before

19:52

that the men actually worked oh

19:54

got the i really illustrate ball

19:57

but but completely random right

19:59

so center the curve ball but there's

20:01

more to this little highway

20:03

seventy nine than meets the i may have every a to

20:05

assess the the rather

20:08

that's searching for this leading

20:10

the searched writing the who's

20:13

are so ellison tom ellison

20:16

is the one who's not permanently a side of the case

20:18

thanks to curtis his efforts

20:21

in writing letters so ellison

20:23

is the one leading this certain now flight

20:25

curtis was the one drumming up a lot

20:27

of objection to say like go let's say you're this

20:30

out when is what about articles involve

20:32

a nice to do and mr to make

20:34

himself look innocent on trying

20:36

to lead them certain direction i this

20:38

is his gut instinct i would say that

20:42

it would be easier to just kind of

20:44

fly under the radar like everyone else seems to be doing

20:46

if my way through than him with a miserable

20:48

jugular case of their cars are like an easier

20:51

or i did my part is i it's seem

20:53

like a lot of family members lot as lights

20:56

other people it's like not a lot of information

20:58

coming out but again the i did innocent

21:00

was that family just kind of these

21:02

are your head space is just very much like yeah they do

21:05

illegal stuff that's just canal a scary

21:07

thing is the family also has a history

21:10

ah no longer

21:13

there yeah traveling with this and out so

21:15

again some of that will be expounded upon

21:17

around here something but but ultimately they searched

21:19

highway seventy nine and underneath the construction site

21:21

they weren't able to find any evidence

21:24

of the gentleman been buried

21:26

there or hidden in any sort of way clausen

21:29

forward now to nineteen seventy two

21:32

a new jefferson county commissioner name's

21:34

tom galore ordered new

21:36

drilling operations but still no

21:38

evidence was found of the men being there

21:40

or anything like that three years

21:43

later nineteen seventy five floor

21:45

contacted the us navy to use their

21:47

advanced metal detecting technologies

21:50

to then to go back to that very same site

21:52

and searched even more thoroughly hopefully

21:54

trying to find now believes green sport

21:57

ultimately nothing was ever sound even

21:59

after the all these extreme links were taken in

22:02

that leads us to today where we have

22:04

an unsolved disappearance on

22:06

our hands what are you out before

22:08

we dive into these theories what are you feeling

22:10

because it's not a lot of information to go off or it's

22:12

not i , appreciate

22:14

their a thorough one psi

22:17

even is pretty cool even to the point where there are hagan

22:19

new technology let's go back rhianna

22:22

thomas f one late f one do like go

22:24

an but i'm no

22:27

man they're so thick say on this one site

22:30

as as rough as just like there's

22:32

so little to go on they

22:35

get it has been anywhere absolutely in any

22:37

way shape or form now the

22:39

any all like for as they get a

22:41

mean reinforce tons of things could have gotten

22:44

a river huge by buried somewhere

22:46

at right that you're you're dealing with pressure

22:48

vessels and in seat and illegal

22:50

means else the beaten path and just

22:53

something goes down with your moonshine equipment

22:55

what then if they have no one

22:57

knows where that that they can't go find it nor would

22:59

you want to point the police to it because so you

23:01

know anyway

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what on earth that there's not a lot of information

28:27

that's that's the story that's the

28:29

investigation and those are some the eyewitness

28:31

reports so let's dive into the series

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on this one the and one

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of the popular ones revolves around murder

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to get a break this in a kind of to sub series

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because to the popular ones center

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around murder in different ways and the

28:45

first one we're gonna explore is that

28:47

these folks might have been murdered by rival

28:50

moonshine nurse the very people that they might

28:52

have seen that party the people that they were stealing from

28:55

notice it was them and retaliated

28:57

that's insane to be at a party

28:59

whether willingly or by

29:01

surprise by half by happenstance

29:04

right the

29:06

beer with the people are stealing from you

29:08

taken it doing the charges yeah down and some

29:10

of your stolen moon sign up walk

29:12

to the guy you stole it for a m

29:14

m's and then as a jump start

29:17

on the chatter others have like you know

29:19

gossip or or whatnot around

29:21

i'm sure it's too late there's theories about

29:24

i will maybe they'd dead air or so

29:26

unreal makes your thoughts

29:28

people gossip oh yeah he was

29:30

theories you know the other end staying

29:33

on might might have done and so

29:36

we're well before i get into

29:39

the details of his rival moonshine or

29:41

stuff's i was teasing this like but

29:43

five minutes ago a do or say that's

29:46

the reason why this story might

29:49

be so flimsy and the reason why some of these

29:51

details are so clouded is a lot

29:53

of people think that the police at the time

29:56

might have been involved in some way

29:58

with their own illegal moonshine

30:00

trading whether they were being paid off had their

30:02

own thing going on and so there might be

30:04

reason for them to kind of muddy

30:06

the waters and not investigate

30:09

this as well as they could have

30:11

maybe interfere in those early stages hello

30:14

why my mind went to dislike

30:16

underground market for moonshine

30:19

and jeff flake

30:21

the different groups branding

30:23

their moonshine the avoid neon

30:26

a moonshine by one game and like

30:28

the brothers moonshine and my own signed

30:30

by the police or hits is

30:32

just a select a policeman

30:34

same because it has a little extra protect the

30:36

to louisiana i feel slightly more little

30:39

to none , it is is

30:41

a thing i mean that is this is essentially

30:44

i mean we're talking about moon signs was much more focused

30:46

but this is as into a mob story right

30:48

earlier not the abnormal

30:51

for authorities to be paid off by

30:53

zone more diabetes a beep

30:55

or to be involved or to be involved in

30:57

hundred percent or especially

30:59

when you need to traffic this stuff and in

31:01

you know their pretrial they might be like hey well

31:03

maybe well won't be maybe highway seventy nine

31:06

today right do you think my

31:08

shift is during this time that's when you

31:10

bite move the shipment right so

31:12

let's start with the theory with the rival moon centers because

31:15

clearly these folks were all up in there

31:17

and investigators found out that the brothers had

31:19

in fact been stealing supplies and moonshine

31:22

from other vendors for

31:24

upwards of months and so

31:27

whether be and people that they saw at they house that

31:29

night the a planned

31:32

kind of run in or what have you i think

31:34

that as far as this theory is concerned that

31:36

is the inciting incident that kick this all

31:38

off so with that said let's talk

31:40

about state investigator o m rains

31:43

he's the one who worked on the case through nineteen seventy

31:45

five and he theorizes in his

31:48

nineteen eighty four article that the brothers may

31:50

have been murdered while leaving the party

31:52

as punishment for stealing

31:56

in fact he has an eyewitness

31:59

that's going the kind of substantiate

32:01

an upcoming kind of piece of this

32:03

dominate t do with for just a second green

32:07

theory continues to say that the cousin

32:10

was murdered a few days later but the

32:12

brothers were killed and buried

32:14

in their car at least that's what a tip

32:16

says some some anonymous tip came forward

32:18

to say that these two giants

32:21

were buried in their greens board

32:23

and at the cousin was buried in

32:25

a local cemetery days later all

32:27

because of this that are interesting says know

32:29

why they checked the such action

32:31

sized that's exactly why they checked the construction

32:34

site highway seventy nine the believe

32:36

it's because they worked there were also

32:38

because some eyewitnesses saw it

32:40

is a bulldozer marrying

32:43

a car that matched the description

32:46

of billy's green ford oh wow

32:48

yeah alright so these are again

32:50

eyewitness accounts these are all run

32:53

of the mill man that's

32:55

why i think i'm right people were really

32:57

intrigued with the some i was letting everyone to

32:59

back in there are hey we're any text go back again

33:01

yes i mean what is

33:04

finally are you looking at someone

33:06

bulldozing in the middle the name

33:09

putin hate any go okay maybe it's

33:11

just like a late night shift the catching up by

33:13

you see someone bulldozing a current a construction

33:15

site you know that some might say

33:17

stuff going on right and know i got

33:19

that's normal the to hide

33:21

a car yeah i mean like the figures

33:24

the people working on the highway at night now

33:26

or know it was as com and then because you can want

33:28

to get it done while the traffic's line isn't but

33:31

it definitely stood out at that time

33:34

apparently this came from

33:36

a man living in blount county was

33:38

about sixty miles away from jefferson county where

33:40

the men went missing this guy's

33:42

the one that report of the bulldozer activity on highway seventy

33:45

nine and that was late at night again

33:48

on march third and so this

33:50

definitely raised some eyebrows now

33:53

you know not to be disrespectful to

33:55

the grave sites buzzer any rate and like was

33:57

or any word avoid them going to search

33:59

like the graveyard

34:01

that's a good question i have heard

34:03

much about the search at the graveyard yeah

34:06

i think it be a tough start of like love was

34:08

gonna randomly poke around his name

34:10

is what i mean i'd say like is there any

34:12

stress dig sites around

34:14

that's true no no you just look at it that way

34:16

the otherwise yeah like thousand excited

34:19

yes and i think there's like a just

34:21

spray it was this and it makes a big

34:24

same look only old enough for success

34:26

right right oh i'm

34:28

i'm okay i'm jumping back into my notes i want to

34:30

clarify something so there's a

34:33

junction of eyewitness accounts

34:35

that night so the man living in blount county reported

34:37

bulldozer activity on highway seventy nine

34:40

late at night on march third period

34:43

see the car however he

34:45

so he wasn't seeing the bulldozer barry this particular

34:47

guy he got a little dogs we saw a bulldozer

34:49

activity then three

34:51

other eye witnesses saw

34:54

on that highway or in that area

34:56

a car that matched the description

34:58

of believe then they kind

35:00

of combined the ideas that okay they

35:03

thought they thought they saw being buried see

35:06

thought he saw the bulldozer activity and

35:08

so that's where they're like okay must have definitely been buried

35:10

below highway seventy nine oh

35:12

man yeah no wonder the went after this place

35:14

so hard if you have multiple people

35:17

talking about the burying have a car

35:19

right again it's a little hairy it's a

35:21

little messy but yeah these three separate

35:24

eye witnesses described the car being

35:26

buried [unk] the blount county gentleman just

35:28

saw the activity if you're having multiple

35:30

people come forward saying that they saw the vehicle

35:33

being buried it's no wonder that the

35:36

highway seventy nine theories so strong

35:38

right by the lack of evidence still to

35:40

this day i mean so we talked about

35:42

them boring holes and digging around we talked

35:44

about the metal detection they have also

35:47

done so in our technology like to kind of

35:49

see if they can penetrate the ground to find

35:51

any strange masses of just

35:53

yeah thing and i did find a bunch

35:56

of medal at one point which had them go

35:58

we might have found something and upon further

36:00

looking it was just a bunch of scrap metal

36:03

kind of buried underneath the highway way

36:05

so that seems like the phone our tech was

36:07

are like method was successful

36:09

a successful in finding something ray

36:12

or to say a word though

36:15

the doing theory if he didn't find anything

36:18

then there's nothing down there right

36:21

then suddenly this whole knowingly

36:23

or four people there i now are your eye

36:25

witnesses now a source to go well because

36:28

are substantial yaks using this on our

36:30

method and them

36:32

finding be no metal

36:35

or would just like materials down there like

36:37

that friends they weren't some milk

36:39

fi something anywhere else in

36:42

the mean

36:43

not be there though right

36:45

i mean he was sent a reason but

36:47

it's also very long highway but that

36:49

leads us nine and lead to other kind

36:51

of from murder via remote thing

36:53

done the whole damn hot right sustainable might

36:56

be expensive spokesman one of the second kind

36:58

of murder centric theory because i seen it

37:01

kind of goes where your mind as africa and

37:03

that's why we kind of tuck them together because this

37:05

one is very similar but

37:07

instead of being buried under highway seventy nine

37:10

the theory kind of expands to say that they

37:12

were tucked away in a coal mine that the car

37:14

and the three men were sent down into

37:16

a coal mine to be hidden and buried there in

37:18

this comes from a man by the name of tj

37:21

chamblee who confessed to

37:23

being involved in murdering these

37:25

men whoa in this was almost thirty

37:27

years after the disappearance that was in nineteen

37:29

eighty four he came forward to say it was me

37:32

i didn't chamblee who was also

37:34

next convict said that he helped dispose

37:36

of the bodies and the forward in an abandoned

37:39

mine near trafford trafford

37:41

is roughly thirty one miles away from

37:43

start as nord is being the town

37:45

where the family gathering was right

37:47

ah yes story now local authorities

37:50

have gone to louisiana in order to question

37:52

him to figure out okay

37:54

is he telling the truth or is he just one of these

37:56

me we've seen people as the own idle for

37:59

where they come forward that i did it but

38:02

the questioned him extensively

38:05

very thoroughly to see if they could poke

38:07

any holes in his story and

38:09

after a couple of inconsistent

38:12

results of his story was pretty clear that he

38:15

was filling in the gaps with some lies or

38:17

that he was fabricating this entire story

38:19

and so he was never really charged so we

38:21

have a guy who's admitting i did it i was there

38:23

i hit i've analyzed a foot

38:26

home my jaw know i would be inclined

38:28

to have this guide take us to said coal

38:30

mine rain or at least described said

38:32

coal mine and where you buried the person

38:35

and then initiate a sir yes sir i

38:37

mean like we have no idea

38:39

the difficulty surrounding

38:41

such a task by you think

38:43

you just bought a no sense the

38:46

experts down with some row right

38:48

and from headlamps and then

38:50

again i could be dangerous an old my

38:53

mom mine they've been around my not be

38:55

worth sending lives ,

38:57

go see if this mystery

39:00

was you're not pretty pretty nuts to

39:02

think that i guess on saying like i did

39:04

it but then then causes

39:06

go on yeah they probably

39:08

didn't so some other odds and

39:10

ends that i want to mention because

39:13

again this mention because a messy story

39:15

with messy theories that

39:17

kind of had to either

39:19

one of these to sub murder theories or

39:22

maybe a third murder theory is the

39:26

fact that they were bringing water buckets back

39:28

and forth from the house made some people

39:30

think that maybe the murder happened at that

39:32

house at the party rather

39:34

than everybody jumping in the cars and leaving

39:36

that they might have been murdered their the scene and the water

39:38

moves to clear it off the ipad rounding

39:41

up the blood i think that our play

39:43

pretty nicely into these rival moonshine

39:45

years but regardless of how

39:47

you slice it what really is unfortunate

39:50

about these theories because they censor promising

39:52

in in both in their own ways one falls apart

39:54

because the story kind of by the confessor

39:57

falls apart under questioning and then the other side

39:59

you eyewitnesses that

40:02

kind of helps with the lead the nothing

40:04

came of it and then the case just kind of would cold and then

40:06

when they tried to talk to the family members to

40:08

help substantiate this particular theory or

40:11

see if they could investigate this any further well

40:13

many the family members had their own criminal history

40:16

and so they weren't as inclined

40:18

to work with the police for

40:20

better or worse and so all of these things

40:22

kind of collide to create a very

40:25

bothersome ending that's just open ended

40:27

it just kind of went cold yeah and that's where

40:29

those particular series lie

40:31

like i mean the core of it where people that were

40:34

bad raj ,

40:36

fried and bad people are being bad

40:38

people about best right exactly

40:40

so if the course starts out bad

40:42

and and the outer layers are also

40:44

bad as well bad much kind of find

40:47

a solution right solution

40:49

with the murder behind us now let's talk

40:51

about minor theory but another theory

40:53

here is that this might be some sort

40:55

of cover no else

40:57

and we talked about before the lead investigator

40:59

on this case claims in an article from the seventies

41:02

that he was taken off of the case after

41:05

getting close to solving it so

41:07

he believe that this was specifically because

41:09

he was coming close to an end that he was getting

41:12

close to establishing a connection between

41:14

county officials and in

41:16

the illegal moonshine trade or

41:18

you just do it behind closed

41:20

doors righteous methane now boom

41:23

right exactly what are you threatening

41:25

your career or something but if you expose them

41:27

they kick them after ribs you've already got he

41:30

got vienna family mean do you know

41:32

that i may have as and might be

41:34

worth push him we just at

41:36

that point do you know what i'm gonna be quiet and then i

41:38

guess that's why i eventually came out

41:40

and started seeing all these things because with

41:43

regard to if going down

41:45

that path that rise in so maybe

41:48

this is just another reason for it to be a cold case

41:50

but rains you know that state

41:52

investigator we talked about i'm kind of agreed

41:54

with what allison's claims were that the

41:56

officials were in fact actively hindering

41:58

the investigation to

41:59

their involvement in the trade

42:02

and in that area

42:04

it would stand to reason that is he was

42:06

getting close that they would apply some sort of pressure

42:09

harm or otherwise monetary

42:11

what what have you maybe it animals and the

42:14

cop the moonshine on the weekends yeah baby

42:16

was that the nice bright honestly this

42:18

could be just the colors know nice

42:20

bread a

42:23

good actress and category as

42:26

like man was as know it

42:28

could literally be all but the other i

42:30

mean that's where my mine likes to

42:32

do and i'm reading these theories as i i see

42:34

elements of each of these that make sense i

42:37

can't help but want to pull them all the get like yeah

42:39

i totally can see that the police were in

42:41

on the the moonshine trade them

42:43

you know paid to look the other way and so they would

42:45

be inclined to kind of interfere

42:48

and if the family has their own backstories

42:50

with criminal behaviors of whatever

42:52

caliber then they might be inclined

42:54

have one or not work with them so immediately

42:56

were on terrible footing for this story oh yeah the

43:00

i know there's something about how he seventy nine

43:03

the noted nothing panned out from it i

43:05

know it sounds like those three eyewitnesses

43:08

may be were falsified or

43:10

otherwise misguided was

43:12

like that's the only thing out of this entire

43:14

story thus far that has given me any sort of

43:16

like know that feels you're

43:19

right hurting us garlic well you

43:22

know i mean if this goes pretty

43:24

high up there in new digs

43:26

into the corrupt system who's to say

43:28

that it was in on the

43:30

highway that the witnesses or plan

43:32

to him and than just

43:34

to distract them away from them the coal

43:37

mines but than the com

43:39

information also got out right

43:42

that's so weird though like i wish there was more

43:44

information regarding this coal mine and yeah

43:46

maybe it's a shallow one because

43:48

it was an ex convicts kind of confessing to something

43:51

they didn't do maybe as one but

43:54

either way let's move on to our

43:57

the will be more pragmatic our last theory here

44:00

because the men were known to be heavy drinkers right

44:02

we talked earlier about how they would disappear for days at a

44:04

time

44:05

the go do their drinking they were also moonshine years

44:07

maybe

44:08

during their own supply know it's

44:10

possible that given

44:12

the circumstances of the night going from

44:14

a family reunion were an argument went down

44:16

to a party where they met

44:19

people they were suing from tensions good when i

44:22

drinks could have been flown then we

44:24

know from the neighbor that they hopped in

44:26

their car and drove off at night or someone did in

44:28

their car and if they were the ones driving

44:30

it's possible that they were driving

44:32

under the influence and subsequently crash

44:35

their car the and

44:38

passed away in such a wreck like

44:40

eventually the car would be sounds

44:42

great i would think so said

44:45

some point in time the man

44:47

the bone some in the body would decayed

44:50

skyn the muscle royal , granted

44:52

remain the bones in the car car

44:55

maybe there's a reason why it's hidden so that we

44:57

know was heavy rain that night that

45:00

not even a lot of people were on the road because of how heavy the

45:02

rain was and

45:04

you know you get a little bit of a slippery slope

45:07

they're terrorists are hard you're claiming have

45:10

you ever hydroplaned i have pretty spooky it

45:12

is care fire you

45:15

who have something of a time anyway muslim

45:17

the highway the news but with

45:19

the disappearance of the car many of theorized

45:21

that this must have ended up in a body

45:23

of water in some way because to your point when

45:26

you find a car when spend buys when you find both

45:28

in some way there and so

45:30

because they weren't found they must have

45:32

found their way to a body of water due to the

45:34

heavy rain and the drinking that night the brothers

45:36

may have lost control vehicle while driving and

45:39

ended up then where is possible

45:41

that the tire slips and they ended up in

45:43

water which would explain the

45:45

complete disappearance stardust has

45:48

one of the major rivers that

45:50

runs parallel to interstate

45:52

twenty two known as mulberry fork

45:55

and plenty of other rivers and creeks

45:57

and ponds in the area that one

45:59

could either

45:59

they're actively hide remains in or

46:02

that

46:03

the circumstances were right they could inadvertently

46:06

crash into die and be lost

46:09

the only thing that would then remain behind

46:11

would be the tire tracks and he skid marks

46:14

or muddy tire tracks leading into the body

46:16

of water that would be the only thing that would maybe tip you

46:18

off to they're hiding but if the rain will retain

46:20

our time or even me you know

46:22

we have if the ramos have enough to sort of

46:25

the our eyes no way over time it's the

46:27

search took long enough to even get to that area

46:29

me see my you was weeks or even begun right

46:32

that's enough to realize even reported

46:34

right that's a more pragmatic

46:37

theory i feel like that's that's the outcomes

46:39

razor here of the personalities

46:41

that these guys had their habits that

46:43

they have exhibited and then disappearing

46:46

come out on i mean it could be that

46:48

everything else to smoke and mirrors that there's

46:50

just less assumption in something like

46:52

this either way those

46:54

are the theories that attempt to answer this

46:57

nebulous and clouded story

47:00

behind the hi brothers

47:03

then

47:04

the brasher is queen trina see

47:06

that there is like

47:07

now maybe they just went missing maybe

47:10

they were part of this big huge

47:13

the possible see nine

47:15

corruption gray gray like

47:18

some sort of feud between signers

47:20

yeah with leg the

47:22

police involvement official the

47:24

one i who feel like we

47:27

heard you were stealing from our ass

47:29

mean moonshine mean moonshine main line

47:31

our main line so we're

47:35

going to go ahead now we're gonna make sure

47:37

you never sign again yeah we know

47:39

those into the summit senator and

47:41

coal mine which will lead into a river

47:45

i , a

47:48

man this one a certainly

47:50

one of the more confusing ones to

47:52

put together one of put more president

47:55

stressful one or more frustrating ones because

47:57

like i love unsolved mysteries but

48:00

when they just lack even just

48:02

the ounce of like strong foundation

48:04

a leap off of brett nine agree with a strong

48:06

yeah it's just me that everything's a possibility

48:09

at least one of feel like i got closer when

48:11

we dissect these things this when i feel like i

48:13

just got further as it is yeah it was done

48:15

of corruption and then and

48:18

then minds hearsay yeah and

48:20

at that point a slight that's pretty much

48:23

in the him more sightings are possible

48:25

sightings oh man yeah

48:28

no wonder no wonder no one knows

48:30

anything about this will never

48:33

never them that's why you

48:35

should never drink moonshine

48:38

just kidding at , all felt

48:40

like i have a summary of the needed an aneurysm

48:42

nothing short of a sudden more or less

48:44

as much success the food or

48:48

of the article i'm just go around

48:51

up for point yeah that is or when

48:53

we have is as of recording right now we have

48:55

a few different names for this one because there isn't really

48:58

it go figure even this the

49:00

some able is why about it but

49:02

it's been referred to as the die brassard

49:04

disappearance also the moon sign murders

49:07

and the moon's and disappearance so

49:09

either way whichever one we're going to land on

49:11

that has been the moonshine disappearance

49:14

ah it's a very unfortunate ends for these

49:16

three gentleman here maybe someday

49:18

technology will advance we can scan that entire

49:21

highway if they're on fire were down

49:23

the though you know the down

49:25

there pose flipping off upwards so when

49:27

we finally scan on the go in a

49:29

week you sound as if you measure

49:32

the bunny fingers some he looked they're

49:35

a bunch of criminals who's the center last

49:37

dying breath was in breath bigger few bigger

49:40

will with that said freight aussie right back

49:42

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