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Welcome to returning a

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podcast to Return to Yourself

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and The Wisdom Within. I'm

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Rebecca Campbell. Thank you for

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returning. Dr. Mindy. Oh, so

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looking forward to this conversation.

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Oh, thank you. I'm so

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excited to be here. Well,

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you know what? My husband

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Craig, he has been a

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hardcore faster for many, many

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years. And during when he

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first got into it, I

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was... pregnant and postpartum and

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then pregnant again. So I

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didn't get into it until

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kind of recently. And oh

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my God, I'm really finding

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it incredible, especially like I'm someone

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who has had insulin resistance for

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many years and so really always

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on top of my bloods. And

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yeah, so loved your first book

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and so excited for your cookbook

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coming out. Thank you. Like a

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girl, cannot wait. So I have

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a lot of questions. for you,

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but I want to begin because

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obviously my work is all about

1:06

the soul and spirit and I

1:08

know you've just been in Turkey

1:10

and places like that which you

1:12

know it's a great example where

1:14

a lot of the culture

1:17

Fast is part of spiritual

1:19

practice or culture. So tell

1:21

me, tell me about that,

1:23

like, from your perspective, like,

1:25

what connect, what's the spiritual

1:27

side of fasting? I love

1:29

that we're starting with this

1:31

question. Because it's, you know,

1:33

my classic statement that I

1:35

tell everybody is, most people

1:37

will come to fasting for

1:39

weight loss. But I'm asking

1:41

people to stay for all

1:44

the other benefits. And one of

1:46

the benefits that doesn't get talked

1:48

enough about is the spiritual benefit.

1:51

So we first have to start

1:53

with honoring that every major religion

1:55

has some form of fasting built

1:57

into it. And I think that

2:00

there's two. reasons for that. The

2:02

easiest way to look at our

2:04

relationship to food is that when

2:07

you're eating you're bringing an energy

2:09

into your body. If you are

2:11

eating toxic food you're bringing a

2:14

toxic energy into your body. If

2:16

you're bringing what I what I

2:18

really encourage people to do which

2:21

is eat nature's food you're still

2:23

bringing a live energy into your

2:25

body and your body has to

2:28

integrate that energy. And so a

2:30

lot of times that energy gives

2:32

you energy, gives you mental clarity,

2:35

sometimes it makes you feel sluggish,

2:37

sometimes it makes you feel inflamed,

2:39

but it shifts the feeling that

2:42

you have inside. When you are

2:44

in a fasted state, all of

2:46

that goes away. there's no outside

2:49

energy coming in. And so what

2:51

I've noticed personally, what we've noticed

2:53

in our, you know, in our

2:56

community, is that there becomes this

2:58

communication that you get with your

3:00

body. And you get to decide,

3:03

like, is that your soul, is

3:05

that what I refer to as

3:07

innate intelligence? I think we do

3:10

not give enough credit for the

3:12

intelligence that is always running us.

3:14

Or maybe it's your connection to

3:17

a higher power in whatever your

3:19

belief system is. But without the

3:21

noise of food, there becomes a

3:24

different whisper that you can hear.

3:26

And if you're willing to sit

3:28

and listen, there are so many

3:30

insights. I will give you an

3:32

example. When my daughter about five

3:34

years ago was off in college,

3:36

She was going through a hard

3:38

time. She had gotten in with

3:41

some wrong people. I was really

3:43

worried about her. I was trying

3:45

to decide if I needed to

3:47

go pick her up and like

3:49

bring her back home. It was

3:51

just I couldn't, I couldn't connect

3:53

to her. I couldn't find the

3:55

solution as a mother for her.

3:57

And so my brain was like,

3:59

well, just go into a fast.

4:01

And so I went into a

4:03

three day water fast. And all

4:05

the mama noise that was like,

4:07

oh my God, she's gonna kill

4:09

herself, she's with the wrong people,

4:11

she's doing all the wrong things,

4:13

all that started to go away.

4:15

And I started to hear less

4:17

and less of the worry brain.

4:19

And on day three of the

4:21

water fast, I heard this, she's

4:23

gonna be okay. Just. be patient,

4:25

she's going to be okay. And

4:28

it became this real inner knowing

4:30

that I had of like, okay,

4:32

this is all going to work

4:34

out fine. And do you know

4:36

that on the day I broke

4:38

the fast, the fourth day, she

4:40

called and asked if she could

4:42

come home. And there was like

4:44

this beautiful connection to something. that

4:46

I wasn't able to access when

4:48

I was eating food. So whether

4:50

you're trying to access a higher

4:52

power or you're trying to hear

4:54

the beautiful language of your body,

4:56

when you take food out of

4:58

the equation, there is a different

5:00

voice that you tap into. That's

5:02

such a beautiful... analogy of, you

5:04

know, I often talk about, you

5:06

know, go in for your answers,

5:08

don't be bombarded with all of

5:10

the noise outside and I'd never,

5:12

I'd experience that with fasting, but

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I'd never thought of it as

5:17

in like, yeah, what you're ingesting

5:19

as well, you know, yeah. My

5:21

first experience with fasting was, I

5:23

was in my 20s and I

5:25

was, where was I, oh no,

5:27

I don't know if I was

5:29

living in London or Australia at

5:31

the time, but I went to

5:33

Thailand and I went to a

5:35

retreat where we did a five

5:37

day fast and we had some

5:39

broth like maybe once a day,

5:41

I think we had coconut once

5:43

or twice a day and then

5:45

a whole lot of tablets, right?

5:47

And the thought of doing it

5:49

for me was like, oh my

5:51

God, how am I possibly going

5:53

to go through this? I've always

5:55

had like anxiety around like, and

5:57

I think it was because blood

5:59

sugar was always a thing for

6:02

me. around what's like that kind

6:04

of panic right and the thing

6:06

I wanted to talk to you

6:08

about was I remember it was

6:10

on like maybe day three or

6:12

two where a lot of anger

6:14

and grief came up oh tell

6:16

me about that yes yes it

6:18

helped you process that stuff and

6:20

access that stuff I am so

6:22

happy you asked this because that

6:24

was my experience when I first

6:26

started fasting so much anger came

6:28

up And I also really got

6:30

clear my relationship with food and

6:32

I could hear actually my mother's

6:34

voice who really taught me that,

6:36

oh, you're having a bad day,

6:38

you know, go ahead, let's sit

6:40

down and have a meal together.

6:42

And I started to associate food

6:44

with mother's love. And so when

6:46

I went into a fasted state,

6:49

I was like, I'm angry, I'm

6:51

irritable, this is in the beginning,

6:53

fasting gets so much easier the

6:55

more you do it. But all

6:57

of those dysfunctional relationships started to

6:59

be revealed to me and all

7:01

the messaging that was given to

7:03

me. And anger was one of

7:05

them. And there's a couple of

7:07

reasons why I think anger shows

7:09

up. It would be very easy

7:11

for us to be like, well,

7:13

anger showing up because you're not

7:15

eating. I do not believe it's

7:17

that because I've seen sadness show

7:19

up. I've seen people remember traumas

7:21

that can show up. So there's

7:23

two ways to look at this.

7:25

One, when we metabolically switch into

7:27

what I call the fat burning.

7:29

It's also known as your ketogenic

7:31

energy system. That system and the

7:33

energy you get from there only

7:36

happens in the absence of food.

7:38

And what your body does is

7:40

it takes the fat and it

7:42

burns it for energy to make

7:44

a ketone. The organ that controls

7:46

all of that is the liver.

7:48

And the emotion attached to the

7:50

liver is anger. So you are

7:52

literally cleaning up your liver, you're

7:54

relying on the liver, and the

7:56

liver is going to speak to

7:58

you, just like we've heard the

8:00

lungs or grief, you know, the...

8:02

you know, there's each organ has

8:04

a different emotional system, but the

8:06

liver is definitely anger. So that's

8:08

one aspect. The second aspect that

8:10

I think is really interesting, and

8:12

I, you know, this, we don't

8:14

have science on this, but after

8:16

watching millions of people fast, this

8:18

feels really true to me, and

8:20

it's based off of Bruce Lipton's

8:23

work, which is when we are

8:25

looking at cells. The outer part

8:27

of the cellular membrane gets inflamed

8:29

for many reasons toxic food

8:31

chronic cortisol, but also

8:33

toxic thoughts So your

8:35

thoughts are literally on

8:37

the outside of your

8:39

cells When you start

8:41

to fast you stimulate

8:43

something called atophagy and

8:45

atophagy is this inner

8:47

intelligence inside the cell

8:49

that goes Food hasn't

8:51

come in, nutrients haven't

8:53

come in, we need

8:55

to become a better

8:57

cell. And so it

8:59

starts to clean up all aspects

9:01

of the cell and push what

9:04

no longer serves it out of

9:06

the cell. And I believe that

9:08

one of the things that it

9:10

pushes out are these negative thoughts

9:12

that get attached to the outside

9:14

of the cell that causes cellular

9:16

inflammation Because you ask anybody and

9:18

the longer you fast the more

9:20

you access this kind of deep

9:22

cellular healing and people that go

9:24

into three day five day water

9:27

fast You know there is so

9:29

many emotions that come to the

9:31

surface that are there for you

9:33

to heal because it's a purging

9:35

of these toxic that have really

9:37

gummed up the cell

9:39

and made the cell

9:41

an inflammatory state. Well, that's

9:44

so interesting, especially like

9:46

the lens that I'm

9:48

putting through it is

9:51

also like, one thing that

9:53

I'm so passionate about is

9:55

how at a cellular level

9:58

we each existed inside. our

10:00

grandmothers, her grandmother and her grandmother

10:02

all the way back to the

10:05

original. And what I'm seeing in

10:07

my work is a lot of

10:09

people processing ancestral trauma right now.

10:12

And I know for me when

10:14

I became a mom and it

10:16

was around COVID time as well,

10:19

it was also when I discovered

10:21

I'd had some chronic illnesses that

10:23

I could not get to the

10:26

bottom of, but the process of...

10:28

building life within me, having my

10:31

baby through the huge severe initiation

10:33

of birth. And then I found

10:35

this amazing functional medicine doctor who

10:38

was able to help me, help

10:40

support my body in knowing what

10:42

I was actually allergic to. It

10:45

was as if my cells were

10:47

no longer under attack anymore. But

10:49

as a result of having that

10:52

safety within my physical body. So

10:54

much started moving through and I've

10:57

seen it with so many of

10:59

my students with this ancestral thing

11:01

I don't know if it's because

11:04

like as a planet We are

11:06

going through something extreme right now

11:08

a possible rebirth. Yeah and or

11:11

many of us are actually had

11:13

the privilege of being having a

11:15

level of safety and so it

11:18

is processing through our body and

11:20

so I'm curious do you think

11:22

the fasting has the potential to

11:25

reset things like that? Yeah and

11:27

I want to go deep into

11:30

this thought this is such a

11:32

fun conversation for me because I've

11:34

spent a lot of time really

11:37

trying to understand the ovary and

11:39

our eggs. There's a part of

11:41

every cell called the... and the

11:44

mitochondria are like the battery of

11:46

the cell. The part of the

11:48

body that has the most amount

11:51

of mitochondria are eggs that live

11:53

inside our ovaries. And the eggs

11:56

is what is going to fertilize

11:58

obviously with a sperm and create

12:00

a human. The egg that created

12:03

you was actually developed in when.

12:05

and your mom was being developed

12:07

inside her grandma, your grandma. And

12:10

your grandma was being developed inside

12:12

her mother and so on and

12:14

so forth. So the thing that

12:17

connects all women is the egg

12:19

because it connects you to your

12:21

grandma, your great grandma, your great

12:24

grandma. It's that lineage. And then

12:26

out of that, the egg is

12:29

so incredibly smart. that the egg

12:31

actually when it's released from the

12:33

ovary sends a chemical message to

12:36

the sperm that are coming at

12:38

it and it reads which sperm

12:40

is the going to be the

12:43

best and the most viable to

12:45

invite into the egg. That is

12:47

how crazy powerful we are. So

12:50

there is no doubt to my

12:52

brain from a physiological level that

12:55

we are, those eggs are ancestral.

12:57

Those eggs are our connection to

12:59

every single woman that came before

13:02

us. And the pain, the suffering,

13:04

the challenges, the joys, everything that

13:06

was experienced by your great grandmother

13:09

and your great great-great-grandmother, that is

13:11

all coming through in the thing

13:13

that made you. So you were

13:16

literally made from the ancestral energy

13:18

and the genetic material of every

13:20

single woman in your past, which

13:23

is just mind blowing. Mind blowing.

13:25

So now let's say why now?

13:28

I think, and this is beyond

13:30

my fasting brain. but I have

13:32

been really upset and trying to

13:35

understand our health care system. We

13:37

have a patriarchal health care system.

13:39

And we have a patriarchal corporate

13:42

system. I mean, we live in

13:44

a patriarchal paste world. Everything has

13:46

this patriarchal structure to it. And

13:49

it would be very easy for

13:51

us to say, oh my gosh,

13:54

like, patriarch means man, but I

13:56

don't look at it as man

13:58

versus woman. I look at the

14:01

patriarch. as it's a system over

14:03

us, it's power over us, and

14:05

women have been at the cost

14:08

of this power structure over us

14:10

for many different reasons. The rebirth

14:12

of what's happening to humanity right

14:15

now is we're moving and breaking

14:17

apart that patriarchal system and you

14:19

can feel it in conversations like

14:22

this, you can feel it when

14:24

you're together with other women that

14:27

are finally saying no more. I'm

14:29

not going to work this hard,

14:31

I'm not going to put up

14:34

with being gas lit in my

14:36

doctor's office, I'm not going to

14:38

allow this power over me to

14:41

exist anymore. That is what's happening

14:43

to a lot of women right

14:45

now, and it's causing a shift

14:48

into a more matriarchal society. And

14:50

I've spent a lot of time

14:53

recently really asking myself, well, what

14:55

then is a matriarchal society? Is

14:57

this where women lead? And the

15:00

answer is no. What a matriarchal

15:02

society is, is its power within.

15:04

So as women, specifically, and even

15:07

some men, start to reject the

15:09

power over patriarchal society, that only

15:11

swings us to the power within.

15:14

And when we tap to the

15:16

power within, we are now shedding

15:18

light. on all of the ancestral

15:21

traumas that every woman that came

15:23

before us dealt with. And I

15:26

think that is why, I think

15:28

that is why you are seeing

15:30

women having to address these traumas.

15:33

And it's both people, but I've

15:35

seen a lot with women. Right,

15:37

right. Yes. Oh my God. Oh,

15:40

there's so much I want to

15:42

say. So, okay. So, I've got

15:44

two kids and I'm 43, right.

15:47

an older mom they think they

15:49

call me I was advanced I

15:52

was geriatric then I was advanced

15:54

geriatric you know they have a

15:56

name for you oh yeah oh

15:59

no they don't call you that

16:01

I wrote that in my book

16:03

right because I actually touch on

16:06

this isn't what my new books

16:08

about but there's a there's a

16:10

bit of postpartum rage and sacred

16:13

rage and why it's important and

16:15

lots of ancestral healing in that

16:17

so anyway um Often I would

16:20

go to the doctors. I had

16:22

pelvic prolapse after having my daughter.

16:25

And it was the biggest igniter

16:27

of feminine power. It happened at

16:29

the end of literally a seven-year

16:32

journey of healing the motherline. And

16:34

it's the work I do now

16:36

in the world. So it was

16:39

like the web of support. Anyway,

16:41

going to the doctor, gasoline, gasoline,

16:43

gasoline. It's just what happens when

16:46

you have a baby. What I

16:48

think is different now is this

16:51

rage that is bubbling within us

16:53

that is saying no. And I

16:55

know in my work, I'm called

16:58

more and more and more for

17:00

us to find ways to process

17:02

that rage and process that grief

17:05

that is not just ours. You

17:07

know, and I think I'm also

17:09

in this unique. position I've seen

17:12

a lot of older moms in

17:14

this position where we have had

17:16

children later on in life so

17:19

we have the you know they

17:21

say that's the biggest hormonal change

17:24

in your life getting pregnant and

17:26

then postpartum again you go through

17:28

it in quick succession. while also,

17:31

like I'm not sure, I thought

17:33

it was just post-partum, but even

17:35

my daughter, my youngest is almost

17:38

two now, and I'm starting to

17:40

like still, it's not extreme, but

17:42

I'm feeling a lot of perimenopause

17:45

symptoms, like you know, sweating at

17:47

night and sex drive not being

17:49

what it was and all of

17:52

that. And I was sure it

17:54

was post-partum, but I'm like, maybe

17:57

it's not. there is this unique

17:59

thing with older moms right now

18:01

where because I know also hormonally

18:04

when you're in that that phase

18:06

of menopause perimenopause you also you're

18:08

not meant to self-sacrifice like that's

18:11

no like a biology but you've

18:13

got these young kids around and

18:15

so yes I think it's interesting

18:18

okay I have a couple of

18:20

things to say on the please

18:23

I love this conversation because these

18:25

are the things that aren't gain

18:27

discussed enough for starters What I'm

18:30

learning in my own journey as

18:32

now I'm postmenopausal and I've been

18:34

doing a lot of deep inner

18:36

work in the last couple years

18:38

and I haven't had a healthy

18:41

relationship with rage and what I'm

18:43

learning now is that anger is

18:45

actually me putting up my boundaries

18:47

and that it's it's when the

18:50

anger comes out it's me protecting

18:52

myself and saying no more. will

18:54

I put everybody's needs ahead of

18:56

my own? And I think there's

18:58

an aspect of what when you

19:00

say there's a lot of rage

19:02

happening for a lot of women

19:04

right now, I think there is

19:06

an awakening as we move to

19:09

this more matriarchal lens in which

19:11

we see that the power is

19:13

within, a lot of women are

19:15

like enough already. And now it's

19:17

time to protect myself. So from

19:19

a conceptual lens, that's how I

19:22

look at rage. really fascinating and

19:24

this is based off Lisa Moskoni's

19:26

work and she is the top

19:28

female brain researcher in the world

19:30

and she states that there are

19:32

three times that the female brain

19:34

changes and the first is at

19:37

puberty the second is postpartum and

19:39

the third is at Perry Menopause

19:41

and if you understand I'll

19:44

walk through these changes because if

19:46

you understand these changes you actually

19:48

start to have this incredible respect

19:51

for how miraculous the female body

19:53

is and these changes happen

19:55

because of hormonal changes. So when

19:58

a girl gets her period... and

20:00

all those hormones come in,

20:02

there are neurons in the

20:04

brain that get pruned away.

20:06

Those are the neurons at

20:08

that age that told you

20:10

you were dependent upon somebody.

20:12

And the new neurons that

20:14

form in puberty is a

20:16

brain that says I can

20:18

live on my own. Now

20:20

ask anybody who parents a

20:22

teenager, they will tell you

20:24

how fun that is to

20:26

work with parenting a child

20:28

whose brain is losing that

20:30

I'm dependent on you and

20:32

now I'm independent. So that's

20:34

the whole teenage thing. Postpartum.

20:36

Super fascinating. The part of

20:38

the brain that helped you

20:40

remember where your keys were,

20:42

that helped to keep a

20:44

task list going in your

20:46

brain. all of the educated

20:48

part that you needed for

20:50

day-to-day activity, it's not needed

20:52

now. And so the hormones

20:54

that crash in postpartum prunes

20:56

away the neurons that are

20:58

no longer necessary so that

21:01

the neurons that can kick

21:03

in are neurons of intuition.

21:05

Because what a postpartum woman

21:07

needs is a brain that

21:09

can read the cues of

21:11

her baby. But what other

21:13

cues is she reading? What

21:15

else is she tapping into

21:17

because her intuition is so

21:19

heightened? So rage could show

21:21

up there because maybe intuitively

21:23

she sees situations that she

21:25

didn't realize we're not working

21:27

for her. And so that

21:29

rage shows up. That's really

21:31

interesting as well because I

21:33

think what happened to me

21:35

the first time around with

21:37

my son. a sensitive, I've

21:39

always been in touch with

21:41

the other world, like that's

21:43

just who I am. It

21:45

was also at a time,

21:47

it was like six weeks

21:49

or eight weeks before lockdown,

21:51

COVID. So the whole world

21:53

was going through something very

21:55

painful, you know, I think

21:57

that that opening and that

21:59

kind of like lifting of

22:01

the veil for me was

22:03

like I literally went deeper

22:05

through the veils through ancestral

22:07

healing through collective, like I

22:09

was processing it all through

22:11

my body. Literally, I, at

22:13

night time, my body was

22:15

shaking and I could feel,

22:17

it was like my cells

22:19

were releasing and attempting to

22:21

process. It was so physical.

22:23

That is so cool. So

22:25

think about this, you know,

22:27

we label, like some people

22:29

would, you know, we label

22:31

that postpart, not what your

22:33

experience, but we label a

22:35

woman who is low in

22:38

her energy postpartum as postpartum

22:40

depression. Right. Really, she just,

22:42

I resonate with that, but

22:44

I also think, like as

22:46

in like, that is a

22:48

lens I could have looked

22:50

at this through, like I

22:52

was definitely, I definitely felt

22:54

depressed, but I also felt

22:56

like I was going through

22:58

an extreme initiation. And I

23:00

felt like looking back, I'm

23:02

like, hoo, maybe I could

23:04

have done with some more

23:06

support. There, that type of

23:08

support to acknowledge what I

23:10

was going through did not

23:12

exist. Right, right. I have

23:14

access to incredible people in

23:16

the world, but even still,

23:18

people didn't understand it. Yeah.

23:20

Whereas I know that in

23:22

other civilizations that are more

23:24

connected to the sacred and

23:26

initiate. it would have been

23:28

honored and revered for what

23:30

my body was going through.

23:32

And that is what our

23:34

society lacks. So we get

23:36

a condition. And then we

23:38

get medicated. So your brain

23:40

postpartum reorganized itself to have

23:42

this heightened intuition. You already

23:44

had a heightened awareness. So

23:46

you just got it. You

23:48

got an upgrade that was

23:50

even bigger than anything you

23:52

had ever experienced. But if

23:54

with that comes a mood.

23:56

drop maybe because you're realizing

23:58

things about your life or

24:00

yourself that you're trying to

24:02

process. We medicate it. And

24:04

so we put you on

24:06

medication an anti-depressant to lift

24:08

you back up again because

24:10

in our world we don't

24:13

love when women. We like

24:15

our women to be even

24:17

killed. We don't like our

24:19

women to be in sadness.

24:21

We like women to be

24:23

ladylike and to be in

24:25

a very neutral state of

24:27

emotions. So at that. period,

24:29

that's a very uncomfortable thing

24:31

for society. The one that

24:33

is really blowing me away,

24:35

and this actually is what

24:37

I'm gonna write about in

24:39

my next book, is what

24:41

happens at Perry Menopause, because

24:43

there's another brain remodel that

24:45

happens. The neurons, the people

24:47

pleasing neurons, you're probably. getting

24:49

close to this at 43,

24:51

the people-pleasing neurons where you

24:53

really cared what other people

24:55

thought of you, those go

24:57

away and you grow a

24:59

brain that has a more

25:01

collective societal lens. It's actually

25:03

a hypothesis called the grandmother

25:05

hypothesis. And the idea was

25:07

that back in the hunter-gatherer

25:09

days that when the men

25:11

and the older children went

25:13

off to hunt, there was

25:15

one woman like... behind and

25:17

that was the mother who

25:19

was either pregnant or taking

25:21

care of a small child.

25:23

So in order for her

25:25

to stay alive, the grandmother

25:27

had to stay back. So

25:29

the postmenopausal brain reorganized itself

25:31

to see the collective good

25:33

and to understand what the

25:35

needs of the tribe was

25:37

that stayed back home and

25:39

she would go forage for

25:41

food, she would take care

25:43

of the mother. we actually

25:45

build a brain in perimenopause

25:48

that is the most useful

25:50

brain for society because it

25:52

has a wider lens than

25:54

any other brain. Now in

25:56

each one of these brain

25:58

changes, what's happening is there

26:00

is a self-discovery. There is

26:02

a going in to who

26:04

you were meant to be.

26:06

There is a going in

26:08

to the ancestral women that

26:10

you came from and each

26:12

one of these is an

26:14

opportunity to get to know

26:16

yourself differently. So that to

26:18

me squares up with what

26:20

your experience was with postpartum

26:22

and I can't wait to

26:24

see what happens to you

26:26

when you go through Perry

26:28

Menopos. Well, it's interesting. I'm loving

26:30

all the science with the mystical

26:33

connections between the two of us,

26:35

because I actually, I connected with

26:37

a group of guides that introduced

26:40

themselves as the ancient grandmothers of

26:42

the earth, which really triggered all

26:45

the motherline healing work, and literally

26:47

the past seven years, what I've

26:49

been working with as I've been

26:52

going through all of those. very

26:54

personal changes and I literally in

26:57

my new book it's like it's

26:59

finally I'm talking about it like

27:01

I've stabilized the energy in my

27:03

system but it was cellular like

27:05

so cellular and I think from

27:08

what I'm saying with my people

27:10

is that So many of us

27:12

are, we've had earlier stages of

27:14

awakening where I call it the

27:16

ascent, where it's like an expansion

27:19

of like, whoa, look at this

27:21

whole new world and heightened visions

27:23

and amazingness. And then right now,

27:25

so many of us are going

27:27

into this phase that I call

27:29

the descent, descending into the body, into

27:32

the cells, into back to humanity, back

27:34

to the earth, and we're seeing. Oh,

27:36

that's what I want to talk to

27:39

you about. We're seeing, we're seeing how

27:41

severed we've been from the earth. Now,

27:43

if anyone knows me, they'll

27:45

know how obsessed I am

27:47

with plants, like I could

27:49

just cry about like flowers,

27:51

herbs, but I'm particularly passionate

27:54

about weeds. And there is,

27:56

I studied, I've studied a

27:58

lot about plant consciousness, herbalism.

28:00

etc. And one, two of the

28:02

weeds, the herbs that I have

28:04

worked with intimately through my journey,

28:07

which actually really deepened my connection

28:09

to ancestors because I can say

28:11

I'm from European descent, those wisdom

28:13

teachings severed, you know. And anyway,

28:16

so it's been so healing for

28:18

me to work with particularly these

28:20

ancient weeds like nettle and then

28:22

dandeline. Yeah, they're both, they're both

28:25

for the liver. They're both helpful

28:27

to support the liver. Right, they

28:29

both grow, like the thing that

28:31

makes them a weed is that

28:34

you can't restrain them. Yes. And

28:36

I just think it's so interesting

28:38

that. Now, like for me, those

28:40

two herbs have been the herbs

28:43

that I've needed the most. Like,

28:45

I've read your first book and

28:47

you're like, can you find some

28:49

dandelion leaves? I'm like, yeah, we

28:52

all can. They're on the side

28:54

of the highway. Like, guys, you

28:56

don't have to. order the stuff

28:58

online from some other country. Like

29:01

it's there. It's there. It's there.

29:03

Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. So

29:05

I have so many things to

29:07

say on this. And like I'm

29:10

like, I almost want to get

29:12

on a plane and hop across

29:14

the ocean and have this conversation

29:16

with you because here's what was

29:19

interesting with fast like a girl.

29:21

The principles I taught in there,

29:23

I had already been doing in

29:25

my clinic for years. I knew

29:28

they worked. And then I taught

29:30

it on my YouTube channel and

29:32

I knew it worked for millions

29:34

of women. But once the book

29:37

came out, you know, you never

29:39

really know how the world's going

29:41

to receive something and what the

29:43

feedback will be. And one of

29:46

the biggest feedback that I saw

29:48

for women was when you took

29:50

a rest from food, this beautiful

29:52

body we get to live in,

29:55

started to heal itself. But the

29:57

major... challenge we had was then

29:59

women reached out to us and

30:01

said I don't know what to

30:04

I don't know what to do

30:06

with food. I know that I've

30:08

now learned that fasting can tap

30:10

into an inner healing, but I

30:13

have such a dysfunctional relationship with

30:15

food. And when you start to

30:17

break that down, you're back at

30:19

this patriarchal system that says you

30:22

need to weigh a certain size,

30:24

you need to look, you need

30:26

to look a certain way, you

30:28

need to be beautiful in order

30:31

to be acceptable to the culture.

30:33

And so all the diet culture

30:35

and all the diets we've been

30:37

on and the quick fixes we've

30:40

gone for have been... to pacify

30:42

the patriarch if we go back

30:44

to that place. So women don't

30:46

know what to do when it

30:49

comes to food. So. In Eat

30:51

Like a Girl, one of the

30:53

things that I knew I had

30:55

to come back to was finding

30:57

a way for women to understand

31:00

that this earth we're living on

31:02

has provided us so many opportunities

31:04

to nourish the organs that balance

31:06

our hormones and the liver is

31:09

one of them. So in Eat

31:11

Like a Girl, I ended up

31:13

pairing, I have two chefs that

31:15

did the professional chefs that did

31:18

the recipes, and one of them

31:20

is a plant-based chef. And she's

31:22

the master chef for the Four

31:24

Seasons Hotel. And the first time

31:27

I sat with her, she said

31:29

to me, I am on a

31:31

quest to figure out how to

31:33

make recipes for the 23,000 edible

31:36

foods that are on this planet.

31:38

And I said back to her,

31:40

I bet if we broke 23,000

31:42

of these foods down. We would

31:45

see how they nourish the female

31:47

body in order to be able

31:49

to keep our hormones in the

31:51

age appropriate balance that they were

31:54

meant to be. So for example,

31:56

the liver and the gut break

31:58

down estrogen. So it's not enough

32:00

just to make it. estrogen, you

32:03

have to have your liver and

32:05

your gut in tip-top shape to

32:07

metabolize estrogen and reformate it so

32:09

that it can get into your

32:12

cells to create all the miracles

32:14

that estrogen does for every single

32:16

organ system. Every single organ system,

32:18

every single joint, every single tissue

32:21

in our body has a receptor

32:23

site for estrogen. So estrogen isn't

32:25

just to release an egg, she

32:27

releases an egg and then she

32:30

has to be metabolized so she

32:32

can go to work and nourish

32:34

all of these other... organ systems

32:36

in our body. And the way

32:39

she gets metabolized is by helping

32:41

the liver and the gut. So

32:43

we're back at the dandelion and

32:45

the nettles when you're eating those

32:48

too. You're nourishing the liver so

32:50

it can do its job to

32:52

reformat estrogen. So estrogen can do

32:54

her job. So when you start

32:57

to break this down, it's like

32:59

the female body I believe even

33:01

more than the male body has

33:03

this intimate relationship with the earth.

33:06

and what is coming out of

33:08

the earth. And if the moment

33:10

we are at right now is

33:12

a time for women to start

33:15

to reconnect to the earth in

33:17

as many different ways as possible.

33:19

And if that means picking dandelion

33:21

greens out of the cracks in

33:24

the concrete, do it. It's so

33:26

good. And it's even just like

33:28

what you'll find. This is the

33:30

thing that blows my mind. Well,

33:33

there's two things. One is like

33:35

you'll, if you open your eyes

33:37

to it, you will see that

33:39

nature delivers. You know, I've got,

33:42

in my herbalism training, I learned,

33:44

I read something, I don't know

33:46

who to credit it too. tried

33:48

to find it since, but it

33:51

was essentially this teaching, this science-based

33:53

teaching that said the land often

33:55

delivers. If you consciously connect with

33:57

the land, they've done studies where

33:59

the land delivers what the people

34:02

on the land who are consciously

34:04

connecting to it need. Now I have

34:06

a black and white proof. Scientific

34:08

Study of one of that, right?

34:10

Of one! Of one! But it

34:12

was so clear. So I told

34:14

you I had pelvic prolapse after

34:17

having goldie and I had great

34:19

support around it and I'm like

34:21

on the road to recovery. One

34:23

of the plants that I was

34:25

advised to use was a plant

34:27

called Ladies' Mantle which I hadn't

34:29

actually worked with before. If you

34:31

look at it, it kind of

34:33

it's this, it kind of looks

34:35

like this like umbrella that... that's

34:37

like soft kind of like

34:40

the pelvic floor and it

34:42

like it like cradles anyway

34:44

I do find that often

34:46

nature looks like what it's

34:48

going to do in your

34:50

body. Right right. So I

34:52

started looking into ladies mantle

34:54

I went to my local

34:56

herbalist shop ordered some inn

34:58

drinking the tea doing baths

35:00

da da da da da

35:02

da da da. Then literally

35:04

within two weeks of using

35:06

it. Every single day, it started

35:08

growing in my garden. Whoa!

35:10

Now grows multiple, like, it's, there's

35:12

hundreds and hundreds and hundreds,

35:15

I pick them every single week,

35:17

my son and I pick

35:19

them, it was not there before.

35:21

Like, like, crazy. And this

35:23

is the amazing thing about

35:25

nature when you consciously connect

35:27

with it. Bingo. Your mind will

35:29

be blown. So. I love that

35:32

story because this is where I'm

35:34

wanting to take women too. I

35:36

feel like with Fast Like a

35:38

Girl, what I was trying to

35:40

help women see is that your

35:42

body heals itself and it heals

35:44

itself in the absence of food

35:46

and women have to do that

35:49

different than men. With Eat Like

35:51

a Girl, I've really wanted to

35:53

help women start to see that

35:55

our relationship with food could be

35:57

really nourishing. And if you understand...

35:59

what foods to lean into, you

36:02

will see that there are so

36:04

many foods that the earth has

36:06

provided that nourishes our feminine body.

36:08

And the minute we shy away

36:10

from nature's food, so I call

36:12

it in the book nature's carbs,

36:14

for example, the ketogenic movement got,

36:16

you know, when shot off like

36:18

a rocket and people were like,

36:20

oh my God, I'm losing weight,

36:22

this is amazing, I shouldn't eat

36:24

any carbs. started to tell people

36:26

no, I believe in something called

36:28

ketobiotic where you are you are

36:31

eating carbs but you're making sure

36:33

they're nature's carbs because nature's carbs

36:35

are nourishing to the female body.

36:37

So in like sweet potato vegetables,

36:39

that kind of thing, yeah. The

36:41

sweet potato is the greatest gift.

36:43

to the female body. Sweet potatoes,

36:45

any kind of fiber, any kind

36:47

of green, it will feed a

36:49

set of bacteria in our gut

36:51

called the astrobolome. And the astrobolome

36:53

is what are these bacteria that

36:55

break down estrogen and metabolize estrogen.

36:57

We've got nuts and seeds are

37:00

incredible. We've even got a lot

37:02

of spices like cloves or some

37:04

of the highest, have the highest

37:06

prebiotic power which feeds the astrobilom.

37:08

Anything fermented can actually activate the

37:10

Vegas nerve and help us release

37:12

oxytocin. Like when you start to

37:14

break down the power of food

37:16

on the female body. You'll literally

37:18

never walk into a grocery store

37:20

again. You will only want to

37:22

either grow a garden or be

37:24

at your farmer's markets because you

37:26

start to realize that the female

37:29

body has to be in sync

37:31

with the earth. And when it

37:33

doesn't, that's when disease starts to

37:35

form. Mmm. Wow. Okay, last little

37:37

section that I just want to

37:39

touch on is, because I know

37:41

you wrote a book called The

37:43

Menopause Reset. Am I right with

37:45

that? Yeah, I've not. that one

37:47

yet. Yeah. Okay. But, um, can

37:49

you just tell me? Because I

37:51

know I'm, as I said, I'm

37:53

like, feel like I'm teetering into

37:55

that world. Yeah, I love it.

37:58

Oh my God, it's just feels

38:00

so complicated. Like, yes. Some people

38:02

are saying HRT, some people are

38:04

saying this, I've been reading a

38:06

couple books and it's just like,

38:08

oh my God, I just feel

38:10

overwhelmed. Like, yes. What would you

38:12

suggest for, because I know, many

38:14

of my listeners, Amazing. Okay, so

38:16

let the menopause reset was actually

38:18

my patients and my online community

38:20

was like, what are you doing

38:22

when I was in my 40s?

38:24

They were like, what are you

38:27

doing for Perry Menopause? And so

38:29

I put in a book. And

38:31

I'll make it really simple. So

38:33

there are five lifestyle changes that

38:35

need to happen after 40. Because

38:37

at 40, what is happening is

38:39

your ovaries are starting to go

38:41

into retirement. They're like, hey, we've

38:43

been doing this a long time.

38:45

So we're going to take the

38:47

next 10 to 15 years and

38:49

we're going to slowly stop producing

38:51

as many of these hormones. One

38:53

of the things that happens in

38:56

that moment is that it actually

38:58

relies on our adrenal glands. to

39:00

start to make some of these

39:02

hormones. So it starts to partner

39:04

with our adrenal glands and it

39:06

partners with our peripheral tissues. So

39:08

instead of being a individual that

39:10

was controlling all these hormones, it

39:12

starts to pull in a team.

39:14

Because of that, there are five

39:16

changes you need to make. The

39:18

first is fasting. And a large

39:20

reason that I recommend intermittent fasting

39:22

for women over 40 is that

39:25

the brain will start to become

39:27

less sensitive to glucose and more

39:29

sensitive to ketones. So you'll find

39:31

that your mental clarity comes back

39:33

on when you start to make

39:35

ketones and the best way to

39:37

do that is through fasting. Number

39:39

two is as a concept I

39:41

carried forward and eat like a

39:43

girl, which is we need to

39:45

start to look at eating a

39:47

more diverse type of foods. So

39:49

most people eat the same 100

39:51

foods over and over and over

39:54

again. I'm encouraging women after 40

39:56

to really expand their palate. So

39:58

if you always make a salad

40:00

with Romaine lettuce. time to try

40:02

some spinach, time to put some

40:04

dandelion greens in there, time to

40:06

put some parsley. If you cook

40:08

poultry every single night, time to

40:10

think about maybe some venison or

40:12

getting amino acids from grass-fed beef,

40:14

like we need to be more

40:16

diverse in our food selection because

40:18

in that diversity we feed the

40:20

microbiome, but we also bring in

40:23

nutrients that help us support healthy

40:25

hormones. Third one is we have

40:27

to really start detoxing and pulling

40:29

the toxins out. As your hormones

40:31

go down in perimenopause, you're more

40:33

sensitive to toxins. So the lipstick,

40:35

the perfume, your favorite shampoo or

40:37

makeup, that was toxic before in

40:39

your 30s may have not affected

40:41

you as much. But in your

40:43

40s and your 50s, you're becoming

40:45

more sensitive to those toxins, which

40:47

it's really important to stop bringing

40:49

the toxins in. So know your

40:52

beauty products. Know the chemicals in

40:54

your food, the chemicals in your

40:56

cleaners. Number four is you've got

40:58

to start feeding your microbiome. So

41:00

this is the polyphenol foods, probiotic

41:02

foods, prebiotic foods. I list them

41:04

all out and eat like a

41:06

girl. And then the last one

41:08

is my favorite one and I

41:10

can't take credit for it. It

41:12

was another hayhouse author, the B.

41:14

Weaver, wrote a book called Russian

41:16

Woman Syndrome. And I say we,

41:18

as we move into our 40s

41:21

and 50s, we have to stop

41:23

the Russian woman syndrome. We have,

41:25

we need more time for rest.

41:27

So you've got to stop working

41:29

out so hard, you've got to

41:31

stop over scheduling yourself, like your

41:33

feminine body is screaming for rest

41:35

because you're losing progesteros. And progesterone

41:37

brought with her Gaba and Gaba

41:39

what is what calms us. So

41:41

as complicated as that may sound,

41:43

it's actually not that complicated. It's

41:45

like start fasting, vary your foods,

41:47

you know, feed your microbiome, watch

41:50

your toxic load, and rest. And

41:52

if you do that, your journey

41:54

into this incredible postmenopausal time, which

41:56

is really should be an initiation

41:58

into wisdom and elderhood, will be

42:00

so much smoother. But again, what

42:02

we're recommending is put in more

42:04

hormones. I'm not opposed to HRT,

42:06

but it doesn't give you a

42:08

free pass from those five lifestyle

42:10

changes. So it's like you gotta

42:12

do all those things and then,

42:14

yeah, yeah. Amazing. All right, well,

42:16

I've just loved this conversation and

42:19

I could definitely keep going, but

42:21

we agree, agreed. Complete until next

42:23

time. I want to ask you

42:25

a couple of quick questions. What

42:27

is God to you? Ooh. Okay,

42:29

I'm going to tell you a

42:31

story of what God is through

42:33

the lens of my children. When

42:35

my kids were little, we went

42:37

to church and we went to

42:39

a science of mine church was

42:41

the church that we were going

42:43

to. And one day, my son

42:45

was throwing a fit. He must

42:48

have been like six or seven.

42:50

I don't want to go to

42:52

church. I hate church. I hate

42:54

God. And my daughter, who is

42:56

two years older than him, was

42:58

seven at the time and turns

43:00

around and looks at him and

43:02

says, well, that's really silly because

43:04

you are God. So that would

43:06

be like hating yourself. And I

43:08

was like, we're going to church

43:10

because somebody got the message. That's

43:12

awesome. That's right. To me, God

43:14

is in all of us. It's

43:17

the energy that moves us. It's

43:19

the energy you tap into when

43:21

you're fasting. It's the energy that

43:23

gives you a hunch that you

43:25

should do something different in your

43:27

life. It is the energy that

43:29

guides. you when you're educated brain

43:31

can't can't find the answer that

43:33

is what God is to me.

43:35

Beautiful. So talking about energy I've

43:37

just gotten back from America as

43:39

you know and I was recording

43:41

a course with Curtis and Laura

43:43

and we were talking about start

43:46

times and they're like well it

43:48

really depends on you I mean

43:50

we've got Deborah, Dr. E, who

43:52

we both know, who starts midday

43:54

because she goes to bed at

43:56

four. But Dr. Mindy is like

43:58

on and she'll do long days

44:00

or whatever. And this is what

44:02

I've heard from you. I know

44:04

from Dr. E, no, no, that's

44:06

what like Laura said, I think.

44:08

But I know from Dr. E,

44:10

she told me that you're a

44:12

type seven on the any. Yeah,

44:15

I'm a seven. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

44:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone who

44:19

speaks who speaks of you who

44:21

speaks of you. fierce energy. I

44:23

remember teaching at, um, I was

44:25

on stage after you just at

44:27

Arizona. Yeah, main stages Arizona. Yeah.

44:29

And it was like, wah! That

44:31

you were so known for that.

44:33

And I know that in your

44:35

work, it's about boosting energy, boosting

44:37

life force. Like what is life

44:39

force? What is energy? Yeah. So

44:41

you know, the way I look

44:44

at it is that there is

44:46

an infinite amount of energy we

44:48

can tap into. And I'm a

44:50

believer that the cleaner we keep

44:52

our body. the more we keep

44:54

our body and our cells open,

44:56

the more we can pull energy

44:58

from anywhere and we can pull

45:00

that energy in. So I know

45:02

that like I'm living my healthiest

45:04

self when I have that abundant

45:06

energy. So it's really for me

45:08

it comes from taking incredible care

45:10

of this vessel that I get

45:13

to walk around in. Now I

45:15

will tell you I also have

45:17

a very on and off switch.

45:19

So I'll be 55, I turn

45:21

55 next week, and as I've

45:23

gotten older, I have taken the

45:25

first two hours of my day,

45:27

and that is me time. I

45:29

meditate, I read, I talk to

45:31

people that fill me up, I

45:33

start my day by filling myself

45:35

up first so that I can

45:37

pour into others. And to me,

45:39

that's life force. It's coming to

45:42

you are the well. You are

45:44

the source. So what are you

45:46

doing to take incredible care of

45:48

your body and also give to

45:50

yourself? And if you start that

45:52

way every single day, you will

45:54

then have infinite energy to give

45:56

to others. But as women, we

45:58

often do the opposite. We're like,

46:00

I got to take care of

46:02

the kids, I got to take

46:04

care of the home, I got

46:06

to do everything else for everybody

46:08

else, and then let me see

46:11

if I have some time to

46:13

read that book. I do the

46:15

opposite. I say, take care of

46:17

me first, and my body and

46:19

my mind, and then I can

46:21

pour into others. Yes, beautiful. And

46:23

then finally, what returns you to

46:25

the wisdom within? This is why

46:27

I love fasting. I hear the

46:29

wisdom within, I mean I hear

46:31

the wisdom within when I fast.

46:33

I also, I will say, this

46:35

is the way I always explained

46:37

myself, that I was born very

46:40

connected to my body. And so

46:42

anything walking, hiking, I've gotten really

46:44

into rucking lately, where you put

46:46

like a weighted vest on and

46:48

you go hike, anything that like...

46:50

Is that like a weighted blanket

46:52

to exercise? Yeah, it's like a

46:54

weighted blanket, but you put it

46:56

on your body and then you

46:58

go. Yeah, there's a whole reason

47:00

why postmenopausal women it's incredible for.

47:02

But anything I do that connects

47:04

me to my body is where

47:06

I find wisdom. That's where the

47:09

wisdom lives. but anytime I'm like

47:11

in my head trying to do

47:13

the shoulds and the you know

47:15

what ifs and the I do

47:17

everything for everybody else now I've

47:19

disconnected from my body and I

47:21

actually spent a lot of time

47:23

a of years

47:25

ago ago asking was burnout

47:27

I finally came

47:29

to the conclusion

47:31

that burnout is

47:33

when I'm too

47:35

much in my

47:38

head too not

47:40

enough in my

47:42

body and so

47:44

for me wisdom

47:46

is in the

47:48

body. wisdom is in the body.

47:50

Beautiful. Thank you you

47:52

so much Dr. it's

47:54

been incredible We have

47:56

gone deep gone high.

47:58

gone wild. I

48:00

love wide. I love I

48:02

want you all

48:04

to check out

48:07

of of Dr.

48:09

Mindy's work I'm gonna

48:11

check out the

48:13

menopause reset book

48:15

but I I can

48:17

really really recommend

48:19

the Fast Like a a

48:21

girl and her

48:23

new cookbook. I

48:25

cannot wait to

48:27

find those dandelion

48:29

leaves in that

48:31

book. it's great. The recipes

48:33

are off the recipes

48:36

are off the

48:38

hook for I'm excited

48:40

for everybody to

48:42

experience them. you