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It's an episode of the episode of
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the South. Gone South. Each week, week, and
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and host, Lipinsky shares shares
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a different story about a
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a crime that took place
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below the Mason-Dixon line. Often often
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told from the
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perspective of the
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perpetrator, the the
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investor. investigator or both, Gone South
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explores not only the criminal mind,
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but also the distinctive culture and
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rich characters of the South. This
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episode is called The Real Buford
2:15
Pusser Part One. It chronicles the
2:17
life of the iconic Tennessee sheriff
2:19
who inspired several books, songs, and
2:22
a half a dozen movies, including
2:24
the 2004 remake Walking Tall, starring
2:26
Duane the Rock Johnson. But recent
2:28
findings suggesting Pusser played a role
2:31
in his wife Pauline's death have
2:33
called his legacy into question. Here's
2:35
the episode. Earlier this year
2:37
a listener sent us a
2:39
link to an article in
2:41
the Tennesseean newspaper. The article was
2:44
about the decision to exume the
2:46
body of a woman named Pauline
2:49
Pusser. New information tonight nearly
2:51
60 years after a sheriff's
2:53
wife was shot and killed.
2:55
The TBI exhumed her body
2:57
and a deeper investigation into her
2:59
death begins. Pauline was the
3:01
wife of Buford Pusser, the
3:03
legendary Tennessee sheriff, whose life
3:05
story became the basis for
3:07
a best-selling book and a handful
3:09
of Hollywood movies, most notably Walking
3:12
Tall. In August 1967, Pauline
3:14
was fatally shot in an
3:16
ambush that left Buford seriously
3:18
injured. She was 33 years
3:20
old and a mother of three.
3:22
Authorities never figured out who
3:24
was behind the ambush. Her
3:26
death has remained unsolved for
3:28
over 56 years. But according
3:30
to the article, the Tennessee Bureau
3:33
of Investigation or TBI had recently
3:35
gotten a tip that caused
3:37
them to reopen the case.
3:39
To their surprise, they discovered
3:41
that an autopsy had never
3:43
been performed on Pauline. By exuming
3:46
her body, the TBI said
3:48
in a statement, they intended
3:50
to answer, quote, critical questions
3:52
and provide crucial information that
3:54
could help them identify who was
3:56
behind Pauline's death. I
4:00
was familiar with the story of
4:03
Buford Pusser in the ambush that
4:05
killed his wife. We'd mentioned it
4:07
in season two about the Dixie
4:09
Mafia. Buford had publicly blamed Kirksey
4:11
Nix, the Dixie Mafia's supposed leader,
4:13
for orchestrating the attack. When I
4:15
asked Curgsey about it, he'd vehemently
4:17
denied being involved. In fact, he
4:20
said, officials had brought Buford to
4:22
an Oklahoma prison to try and
4:24
identify him, but Buford couldn't do
4:26
it. He
4:30
brought him out to Oklahoma and
4:32
he couldn't pick me out. They
4:34
arranged for him to hear my
4:36
voice and he couldn't pick me
4:38
out. As Kirksey put it, Buford
4:40
was a criminal himself. He said
4:42
the sheriff had taken bribes from
4:45
a gangster associate of his in
4:47
Mississippi. Carl gave him $12,000 when
4:49
he ran for office. He gave
4:51
him $3,000 for every month he
4:53
was in office. He was on
4:55
the take. He was a dirty
4:58
cop and he was a killer
5:00
cop. Let him sue me for
5:02
that. Kirksey was never charged with
5:04
Pauline's murder, and neither was anyone
5:06
else. It was a 56-year-old mystery,
5:08
one of the most famous cold
5:10
cases in Tennessee history, and it
5:13
looked like the TBI was on
5:15
the verge of a breakthrough. But
5:17
they weren't talking, and the article
5:19
left a lot of questions unanswered.
5:21
Like, why had an autopsy never
5:23
been performed on Pauline Pusser? And
5:26
why had the TBI only just
5:28
discovered this fact? Also... What was
5:30
the tip that caused them to
5:32
reopen the case? And who was
5:34
the tipster? As I look deeper
5:36
into the story, though, I realize
5:38
that this wasn't really an investigation
5:41
into the death of Pauline Pusser.
5:43
It was an investigation into the
5:45
life of Buford Pusser. Buford was
5:47
a hero to a generation of
5:49
Americans, a larger than life figure
5:51
who inspired people to stand up
5:54
to injustice. But now... The TBI
5:56
was raising questions that would threaten
5:58
that legacy. I'm
6:00
Jed Lipinsky. This is Gone
6:02
South. The story of Buford
6:04
Pusser reads a bit like
6:06
a fable from the The
6:09
story of South. reads a bit
6:11
like we're from the American with Dwayne To
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tell it, we're going to start
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with Dwayne Johnson, The otherwise known
6:17
as The Rock. and The star of
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the Fast and Furious franchise, of
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The Voice of Maui in One of
6:23
one of the highest -paid actors in
6:25
Hollywood. Hollywood. But in the early
6:27
2000s, The Rock's film career was still
6:29
uncertain. He was He was
6:31
already a global wrestling sensation, but Hollywood
6:33
had a long standing stigma against
6:35
pro wrestlers who tried to cross over.
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to cross Hulk Hogan tried to do it
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in the to and 90s, but most of his
6:41
films flopped. films His 1996 film,
6:43
Santa with Mussels, has been called one
6:46
of the worst movies ever made. ever
6:48
made. The Rock's film film career began
6:50
with fantasy roles in The Mummy
6:52
Returns and The Scorpion King. King. But
6:54
it was his leading role in the
6:56
2004 film, Walking Tall, that solidified his status
6:58
as an action star. I was I was
7:00
justified in what I did, you and
7:02
if you will quit me of these
7:04
charges, then I'm I'm going to run for sheriff.
7:06
And if And if elected, I'm going to
7:09
fix this town. Order. Order! In the In
7:11
the film, the Rock plays a retired
7:13
special forces agent who returns to his
7:15
hometown to find to find it corruption. in corruption. He He
7:17
decides to run for for sheriff launches a
7:19
one a crusade to clean up the town. the
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town. The The movie poster shows him
7:23
striding down a country road. road, only
7:26
with a with a two by four. Younger
7:28
Younger viewers may not have realized Walking
7:30
Tall was a remake of the 1973
7:32
hit movie of the same name. Both
7:34
were Both were based on the
7:36
real -life story of of Buford Pusser. If
7:38
you're under you're under live live
7:40
outside Tennessee, you've probably never
7:43
heard of of Buford. But in the the
7:45
and 70s, he was a big
7:47
deal. Pusser was an was an almost mythical
7:49
figure in the in the South. He died
7:51
in a fiery car crash in 1974
7:53
at 36. over a But in just
7:55
over a decade in law enforcement, he
7:57
managed to inspire a legend akin
7:59
to that of Wild West lawmen like
8:01
Wyatt and Wild Bill Hickok. The folklore
8:04
The folklore surrounding can make make it hard
8:06
to separate fact from fiction. So
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here are are some facts. Pusser was born
8:11
on was born on a farm
8:13
farm in Adamsville, Tennessee. He was He
8:15
was 6 and two 250 by high school
8:17
got a got a scholarship to play college
8:19
football. He He enlisted in
8:21
the Marines instead, but was given a medical discharge
8:23
for asthma. for asthma. there he
8:25
bounced around. around. He He got a
8:27
job as a cutter for a paper bag
8:29
company in Chicago. Chicago. He He went to mortuary
8:31
school at night. at night. For For extra
8:33
money, he he wrestled professionally on
8:35
weekends under the name the name Buford the Bull.
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It It was after a match
8:40
that he met his future wife, wife,
8:42
Pauline Mullins. Pauline Pauline was a petite from
8:44
from Virginia, divorced with two young
8:46
kids. soon They married soon after to
8:48
moved back to Buford's of of
8:50
Adamsville. It was here was here that Buford
8:52
found his calling in law enforcement. Buford
8:54
became Adamsville's chief of police at
8:57
age 25. later, he Two years later,
8:59
he ran for sheriff of McNary
9:01
to clean promising to clean up the
9:03
violence and corruption that the the
9:05
state line between Tennessee and Mississippi. For
9:07
decades, For decades, the sale of
9:09
hard liquor was prohibited in McNary The
9:11
area became The area became a hub
9:13
for and and moonshining. Illegal
9:15
gambling and prostitution
9:17
flourished. groups groups like line
9:19
mob and the Dixey the terrorized
9:21
residents and and tourists alike. alike. Buford, the
9:23
the imposing former wrestler, seemed
9:25
like the man for the job.
9:27
the job. He became the youngest sheriff in
9:29
the history of Tennessee. history of he
9:31
immediately developed a reputation as a
9:33
fearless crusader. as a fearless tell people
9:36
tell people, nobody on the on the
9:38
face has studied this story this
9:40
as involved as I have
9:42
in it as I years. 60 years.
9:44
And everybody knows County
9:46
knows that. is Steve Sweat. He He
9:49
owns a body shop in
9:51
McNary County called Steve Sweat Body Shop. He's He's
9:53
also considered the
9:55
unofficial Buford Pusser historian. Then, you know, people
9:57
got to call me Pusser
9:59
historian. and course it's it's been described
10:01
in the the for probably 20
10:03
years. 20 years. Steve first Steve first
10:06
heard about Pusser as a young boy.
10:08
watched a lot of a lot of and
10:10
and police procedurals on TV like
10:12
like and and Highway Patrol. Pusser Pusser
10:14
reminded him of the men
10:16
in those shows. Steve studied Buford. He read the
10:18
He read the articles about
10:21
him in the newspaper, Stories of
10:23
Pusser arresting bootleggers, dynamiting moonshine stills, punching out
10:25
drunks at the roadhouse down
10:27
the street. street. Once in 1966, killed the
10:29
owner killed the owner of a
10:31
seedy motel motel after she fired at
10:33
him with a concealed 38. Another time, a
10:35
Another time, a speeding motorist he
10:37
pulled over shot him in the
10:39
face before fleeing the scene. Buford
10:41
got stitched up and went back to
10:44
work. Steve could Steve could hardly believe it.
10:46
Buford was like a real Matt Dillon,
10:48
the the star of smoke. In the show,
10:51
In the show, the is the of of
10:53
Dodge City, Kansas, tasked with bringing
10:55
law and order to the lawless frontier
10:57
town. town. You know, Buford, he
10:59
was just like Matt like When
11:01
he got on the scene,
11:03
there got on back and was no
11:05
this and that. and a matter
11:07
of seconds, you know, the situation,
11:09
you know, was under control. you
11:12
know, the what happened next would
11:14
raise Buford under a local legend
11:16
what a national next would raise
11:18
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11:20
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came into Pusser's home. caller said a few
15:48
a few were were threatening to kill
15:50
each other at at Hollis Hall, a
15:52
rowdy spot near the state line. state
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line. The story goes that someone
15:56
had called the jail. of course,
15:59
of course, favorites dad... was the jailer, Carl, and
16:01
dispatcher. And he felt like this he felt like
16:03
this to come know, the state line to
16:05
come a state line he never call, he
16:07
never did even bother it. with
16:09
it. But then at some point they
16:11
called home, home in know, in the
16:14
early morning hours and told him
16:16
there was trouble, you know, there
16:18
on the state line that he
16:20
needed to come down there. come down
16:22
there. to Buford's biographer, biographer, W.R. Buford
16:24
and Pauline were scheduled to
16:27
attend a family gathering in Virginia
16:29
later that day. later
16:31
decided to join decided to join
16:33
him. And supposedly told him, said, I'm gonna
16:35
go with you you get back. get
16:37
back. And And that's what put her
16:39
in the car with him that
16:41
morning. So responding to an
16:43
responding to an anonymous complaint, and Pauline
16:45
jumped into his Plymouth Fury and
16:47
raced down New Hope Road to Road
16:50
to Beer Hall. beer hall. On
16:52
they they passed the Methodist Church. Church.
16:55
Moments later, a a sleek black Cadillac
16:57
pulled up beside them. them.
16:59
It sprayed Plymouth with a
17:01
30 with a 30 caliber Their lights
17:03
were off, it was just breaking day,
17:06
and and he didn't didn't realize they
17:08
were owning before the shots the car.
17:10
the car. shattered the shots shattered
17:12
the driver's side window, missing
17:14
but but striking Pauline in
17:17
the head. As Buford later later told
17:19
his biographer, He had an automatic shotgun
17:21
beneath the seat the seat and a 41 pistol
17:23
on his hip, on but he didn't
17:25
have time to grab them. time
17:27
to grab them. slumped onto the onto the
17:29
floorboard, plus or He drove another He miles
17:31
until he thought he'd lost the
17:33
attackers he'd pulled over to check
17:35
on Pauline. over to check on Pauline. He'd
17:37
gone that he'd he was in
17:39
and drove was in and miles and
17:41
it was two miles it on
17:44
the money just right on the over
17:46
to see about to see about Pauline.
17:48
Buford later said he laid head on
17:50
his lap and saw a gaping
17:52
wound. saw a He prayed, He prayed, Oh please
17:54
don't let her die. let her die. As
17:57
he he did so, the the black
17:59
Cadillac reappeared. A A gunman opened
18:01
fire again, this time point range.
18:03
Buford took took two shots to
18:05
the lower jaw, his chin held
18:07
in place only by a
18:09
flap of skin. of skin. He He
18:11
slumped forward as another bullet ripped
18:13
through the driver's side door. the
18:15
driver's side skull. shattered her instantly. skull,
18:18
killing her managed to drive
18:20
another seven miles to
18:22
the hospital. another drove seven
18:24
miles further He his chin miles
18:26
further. With his gum, and teeth
18:29
gone. gone. At
18:32
the At the hospital, Pauline was pronounced
18:34
dead. dead. Buford was taken to Memphis
18:37
to get his jaw reconstructed. jaw Sheriff's
18:39
deputies stood guard outside his room around
18:41
the clock, fearing the assassins might
18:43
return to finish the job. might
18:45
return to finish the job. was was
18:47
old at the time of at the time
18:49
of the He remembers the moment he heard about it. moment
18:52
he know, we didn't have social
18:54
media and cell phones, but
18:56
you can phones, how fast words how
18:58
fast things like that things like this
19:00
area back then. back then. Based
19:02
on Buford's statement to the cops, they
19:04
concluded the ambush was motivated by
19:07
his quest to combat corruption on the
19:09
state line. quest to A full scale
19:11
search for the on ensued. line. A The
19:13
governor of Tennessee offered a $5 ,000
19:15
reward for The leading to an arrest
19:17
and conviction. offered a $5,000 But months passed
19:19
and the money was never collected. arrest and
19:21
black Cadillac and the But months had
19:23
vanished without a trace. was never collected.
19:26
The Black Cadillac recovered.
19:28
assassins he had a good idea of who
19:30
they were. trace. He He named several men with
19:32
ties to the to mob in the Dixie
19:34
in the Dixie Mafia. Nix was one of them. was one
19:37
of them. the next few years,
19:39
four of those men died
19:41
under suspicious circumstances. circumstances. a
19:43
notorious gangster named named Carl towhead
19:45
was ambushed and killed in his
19:47
car his car motel in Corinth,
19:50
Mississippi. And a lot of people
19:52
speculate about that about that being an
19:54
hit know, to get rid of him.
19:56
was Another was reportedly found floating
19:58
in the Boston harbor. his body riddled
20:01
with bullets. Two more were shot
20:03
to death in Texas. Kirksey Nick
20:05
supposedly survived only because he was
20:07
locked up at the time. No
20:09
evidence tied Buford to those murders.
20:11
But legend has it, Buford had
20:13
a hand in all of them.
20:15
That's just speculation and just kind
20:18
of the way it seemed. Whatever
20:20
the truth was, Buford's style of
20:22
law enforcement suited residents of McNary
20:24
County. After the ambush, he was
20:26
reelected twice more. Then... In 1974,
20:28
at 36 years old, he died.
20:30
He was speeding down a country
20:32
road in his Corvette when he
20:34
spun out of control, hit an
20:36
embankment, and broke his neck. No,
20:38
there was no foul play. It
20:40
was just mainly speed. You know,
20:42
he was 36 years old, had
20:44
a big engine 74 Corvette, and
20:46
he loved to go fast. And
20:48
that's pretty well it. Yeah, that's
20:50
pretty well what happened. The story
20:52
of the ambush and Buford's vigilante
20:54
quest to kill the men who'd
20:56
murdered his wife struck a deep
20:58
and primal chord in American culture.
21:00
It inspired a best-selling book in
21:02
1971, called The 12th of August,
21:04
by W.R. Morris. From there, the
21:06
legend took on a life of
21:08
its own. The 12th of August
21:10
was adapted into the hit 1973
21:12
movie, Walking Tall, starring Joe Don
21:15
Baker, as Buford Pusser. and cheering
21:17
a film called Walking Tall based
21:19
on the true story of a
21:21
young man who wouldn't surrender to
21:23
the system and the girl who
21:25
always stood beside him. Walking Tall
21:27
was lightly fictionalized. For example, Joe
21:29
Don Baker carries a hickory stick
21:31
instead of a gun while cleaning
21:33
up the state line. In truth,
21:35
Buford never carried a stick on
21:37
patrol. But since the film was
21:39
based on a true story, most
21:41
people naturally thought it was true.
21:43
and so the legend grew. The
21:45
film spawned two sequels. The country
21:47
and rockabilly singer... Betty Bond
21:49
an entire album
21:51
of songs inspired
21:53
by The Sheriff. by
21:55
the Listening to
21:57
the lyrics, you
21:59
could be mistaken
22:01
for thinking could be
22:03
was a figure
22:05
out of American
22:07
folklore, like John
22:09
Henry or Paul out
22:11
of Actor Joe Don
22:13
Baker, who played Buford in Paul Bunyan.
22:15
Actor later compared him to a
22:18
character from Greek mythology. the original Walking
22:20
Tall, of me that people still him
22:22
him to a character from Greek
22:24
mythology. mythology. There's a me that
22:26
people still remember remember I can understand it
22:28
because Buford was such a wonderful
22:30
person. know, he was a hell of
22:32
a character person. real life. a was like
22:35
Hercules, In real life, He was incredible. Hercules, Zeus or
22:37
something. He was Then in 2004, in
22:39
the remake of Walking Tall
22:41
came out. came out. Shortly after the
22:43
premiere, the rock came to McNary County
22:45
see where Buford lived. lived. Steve Sweat
22:47
Swett and his wife escorted him
22:50
around, accompanied by a group of by
22:52
a group of execs. And he came
22:54
here here. Out of respect for Buford.
22:56
He wanted to see where Buford Buford
22:58
walked he said. he said. I want
23:00
to see where he actually worked. worked.
23:03
Steve took the took the rock to
23:05
Buford's house, his office, and the
23:07
local courthouse. It's behind us and
23:09
with lights and with We didn't stop
23:11
at any red lights stop at intersection.
23:13
lights in the we ran we miles 80
23:16
hour down the highway the highway here. He wrote
23:18
back seat with his elbows on
23:20
the front seat seat, and, you know, just
23:22
like a a... -year -old kid, you know,
23:24
trying to absorb to stories. these stories. they
23:26
drove, the rock told Steve that starring Tall
23:28
had been a dream come true. come true.
23:30
The The rock's father, Rocky Johnson, also
23:32
had also been a pro wrestler. The two
23:34
of The two of them had watched
23:37
the original Walking Tall over and
23:39
over when the rock was young. young.
23:41
The rock's father, Rocky Johnson, had had
23:43
also been a pro wrestler. The two of
23:45
two of them had watched the original...
23:47
walking tall over and over when the
23:49
rock was young. was young. was their
23:51
favorite movie. movie. According to Steve, Steve,
23:53
it rock to be a better
23:55
man. be a better man. and he told
23:58
us. us, he said that was... My
24:00
dad and my my favorite movie when
24:02
I was a little fella. and
24:04
he said, and in my in my
24:06
life, he said all I had the had the
24:08
opportunity to take the wrong path. said,
24:10
I would said I would think of
24:12
those and tall movies. I wanted to
24:15
to walk tall. what the rock what
24:17
the That's what he what he said.
24:19
the rock, Steve Sweat was emotionally
24:21
Steve Sweatt was emotionally invested in
24:23
the legend of Buford Pusser as
24:25
a righteous hero. hero. And And so,
24:27
when Steve learned that Pauline's body
24:29
was being exhumed earlier this year, this
24:31
he was appalled. The The suggestion
24:33
that Buford played a role in
24:35
Pauline's death threatened to destroy his
24:37
legacy. his legacy. made matters worse
24:39
was that the decision to exhume her
24:41
could be traced to an outsider. to
24:43
an A former security consultant from Arkansas
24:46
named Mike Arkansas Of course, the perception
24:48
that America has is that Buford
24:50
was a real hero. was a real he
24:52
cleaned up the state line line. and that
24:54
that he sought revenge for his wife's
24:56
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30:30
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30:32
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30:34
they made fans any bigger than
30:37
me. fans I admired the man and
30:39
everything he did. The 12th of August
30:41
had me convinced. of Then the movie
30:43
came out, and I saw the
30:45
movie. came I thought it was incredible. I
30:47
It told a really entertaining story, entertaining
30:49
and story. was just filled with admiration
30:51
for Buford. for This is
30:53
Mike is Mike Ilum. In the early early
30:55
1970, when when the first walking came
30:58
out, out, Mike was a young
31:00
deputy in Benton County, Arkansas, Arkansas, 465
31:02
miles miles west of He loved the job.
31:04
He He loved the job. He
31:07
imagined being elected sheriff one day
31:09
and cleaning up the Beaufort like the had.
31:11
lousy. To But the pay was lousy. To
31:14
support his family, as he reluctantly took a
31:16
job as the head of a prevention for
31:18
a regional grocery retailer. And
31:20
yet his interest in police work
31:22
never went away. every watched every episode
31:24
of got hooked on the He got hooked
31:26
on the JFK assassination and... Later, the
31:28
O.J. Simpson case. In the In
31:30
the mid his he turned his
31:32
attention to Pusser. Mike still held the still
31:34
held the man in high regard, but
31:37
certain elements of the story had always
31:39
bothered him. For For one, idea the
31:41
idea that Pauline had joined on a on
31:43
a disturbance call in the middle of the
31:45
night. I think I can I think
31:47
I can speak for just about anyone
31:49
who has been in law enforcement.
31:51
They will tell you that one thing
31:53
you never do thing you never do is your
31:55
spouse to a disturbance call. call. A
31:57
disturbance call can go sideways so quickly
31:59
quickly and It's just dangerous for everyone. Then
32:02
there was the route Buford took
32:04
that night. As a Buford Pusser
32:06
fan, Mike had visited McNary County
32:08
to check out the Buford Pusser
32:10
Museum and see a few of
32:12
the sites. And he realized Buford
32:14
could have taken a much simpler
32:16
route to Hollis Jordan's Beer Hall,
32:18
where the alleged disturbance took place.
32:21
It was a very convoluted system
32:23
of backroads to get to the
32:25
state line. That didn't make sense
32:27
to me because he was just
32:29
two blocks from... Highway 64, and
32:31
he could have got on Highway
32:33
64, then on 45, been to
32:35
the same location in a very
32:38
short time, whereas this convoluted system
32:40
of roads, several of them were
32:42
unimproved at that time, and so
32:44
it would have been a much
32:46
slower route. That led Mike to
32:48
another question. According to Buford, the
32:50
ambushes were lying in wait behind
32:52
a church on a deserted country
32:54
road. But how would they have
32:57
known that Buford would take that
32:59
road? instead of the more direct
33:01
route to Hollis Jordan's. Wouldn't they
33:03
be waiting on either 64 or
33:05
45 or possibly even there at
33:07
the site where he was supposed
33:09
to be responding to? So that
33:11
didn't make sense. And so when
33:13
he got some time off work,
33:16
Mike decided to reenact the ambush.
33:18
He recruited some friends to pose
33:20
as the assassins, a police chief
33:22
from Ohio, a retired cameraman from
33:24
Mississippi, in a McNary County local
33:26
who knew the story. We set
33:28
up a scenario where I would
33:30
pass by representing Buford's car passing
33:33
by the church and we actually
33:35
had a Cadillac beside the church
33:37
that gave chase. However, by the
33:39
time that I got to the
33:41
bridge, they were still about 200,
33:43
250 yards behind me. And, you
33:45
know, that really started to ring
33:47
true that if they couldn't catch
33:49
me in broad daylight, how could
33:52
that have happened in the predon
33:54
hours with no headlights? How fast
33:56
were they traveling when they were
33:58
trying to chase you? Well, I
34:00
was going 45 and at one
34:02
time they reached 92 miles an
34:04
hour in that seven tenths of
34:06
a mile stretch trying to catch
34:08
me. And like I say, they
34:11
were still over 200 yards behind
34:13
me by the time I reached
34:15
the ambush point. And that just
34:17
convinced me that there was no
34:19
way it happened the way that
34:21
Beauford said. At this point, I
34:23
just started to gather up all
34:25
the information that I possibly could.
34:28
Mike began making public records requests.
34:30
He read the police reports and
34:32
studied the crime scene photographs from
34:34
the ambush. Two things immediately stood
34:36
out. One was the blood spatter.
34:38
He knew that blood spatter often
34:40
tells a story about how a
34:42
crime occurred. Blood spatter tells you
34:44
several different things. It can tell
34:47
you the direction that a shot
34:49
came from, the hike that it
34:51
came from, the distance, the firearm
34:53
was away from a person, and
34:55
none of it matched Buford stories.
34:58
Buford had claimed that he and Pauline
35:00
were inside the car when the ambushers
35:02
opened fire, wounding Buford and killing Pauline.
35:05
As such, you'd expect the blood spatter
35:07
to be all over the car's interior.
35:09
But that's not the only place the
35:11
blood spatter was. You had blood on
35:13
the front bumper, the hood of the
35:16
car, the top of the car, all
35:18
over the outside of the windshield, so
35:20
you knew that something was not correct
35:22
with his story. What specifically did that
35:25
suggest about where the victim may have
35:27
been at the time or the shooter?
35:29
So all of the bloodspatter on the
35:31
outside of the car leads you to
35:34
believe that someone was actually standing in
35:36
front of that car when they were
35:38
shot, not on the inside. The second
35:40
thing that stood out to Mike was
35:42
the position of the shell casings. He
35:45
said that he was sitting in the
35:47
car. that they pulled up close enough
35:49
that they were right next to him,
35:51
you would expect shell casings to have
35:54
been found in between the cars.
35:56
possibly some being ejected
35:58
inside the Cadillac and
36:00
some even going
36:03
over into car car
36:05
after the window was
36:07
blown out. weren't in the But
36:09
the the road weren't in the middle of
36:11
the road, or inside on the shoulder of the road,
36:13
on were on the shoulder of the road, the on
36:15
the opposite side of where Buford's car would have
36:17
been. Pauline was said to was said
36:20
to have died from two gunshot wounds to the
36:22
head. Mike wanted wanted to see what
36:24
the autopsy report said. He called the He
36:26
called the County medical examiner, but they
36:28
didn't have it. it. So he called
36:30
the medical examiner for the state of
36:32
Tennessee in Nashville. of Tennessee didn't have it
36:34
either. They didn't have it either. When
36:36
Mike The response shocked him. shocked
36:38
him. I learned I learned that
36:40
one was never performed. couldn't believe
36:43
it. Pauline was the couldn't believe
36:45
it. who had, was the sheriff's wife, who
36:47
had, according to a dramatic in a
36:50
dramatic Hollywood -style ambush, no with no
36:52
other witnesses and no viable suspects.
36:55
Even a cursory look at the evidence
36:57
suggested Buford's version of events was
36:59
highly dubious. And highly
37:01
dubious. no autopsy. The
37:03
state and local and local
37:05
medical examiners from 1967 had long
37:08
since passed away. away. So Mike
37:10
reached out to the current state medical examiner.
37:12
He asked, What could have
37:14
prevented the autopsy of a murder
37:16
victim back in 1967? a murder victim he
37:19
told me that the prosecutor
37:21
and the local medical examiner
37:23
had to concur on the
37:25
need for one. need for So
37:27
some some reason, they could
37:30
not concur. you have to you have
37:32
to wonder about the reasoning
37:34
for that, because that autopsy would
37:36
have told so much about
37:38
her death that they just passed
37:40
up the opportunity to get trajectories,
37:42
angles, distance, so much there
37:44
that needed to be told. be told.
37:46
Mike knew knew that as the as
37:48
the Sheriff of County, was was friendly
37:50
with both the local DA
37:52
and the medical examiner. They
37:54
must have felt sorry for for Buford. Mike
37:56
could could easily imagine him persuading both
37:58
men to bury his wife without
38:00
an an autopsy. You know, is it
38:03
is possible that Buford absolutely did
38:05
not want an autopsy done
38:07
and convinced the two men not
38:09
to have one. makes It makes
38:11
absolutely no sense otherwise. He would spend
38:13
a was hooked. of the He would
38:15
spend a good part of
38:17
the next 10 years investigating Buford
38:19
and the events leading up
38:21
to Pauline's death. Along
38:23
the way, way... he would uncover
38:25
details no one knew about
38:27
one of the about most
38:29
famous unsolved most Details that suggested
38:32
the prime suspect in Pauline's
38:34
death the her husband, in
38:36
Pauline's death was her husband,
38:38
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38:40
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38:42
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Facebook, South and Instagram can also
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sign up for our You can
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also sign up for
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our newsletter on South with
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Jed South with Jed South
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is an Odyssey South is
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an Odyssey original podcast. It's
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created, written, and narrated by me,
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Jed Lipinski. Our executive
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producers are Jenna are Jenna Weiss Berman,
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Maddie Sprung Tom Lipinski, Lloyd Lloyd
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and me. me. Our story editors
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are Lopinsky, Maddie Sprung Kaiser, and and
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Joel Gone South is South is
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edited, mixed, and Lipinski, mastered
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by Chris Basil and Andy
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Jask.
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