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The Ringardish Feed. I'm Doty

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Walker. And I'm Nora

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Prinziati. And wow, is it a

0:52

great week to be invested

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in pop culture and if I

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may. Pope culture. I knew you were

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going to do it. I knew you were going to do

1:00

it as soon as you said pop culture. You knew it

1:02

before you saw me. I knew it when you woke up

1:04

this morning. to say pope culture. You said that's what

1:07

we got this week. Pope puns. Because

1:09

you know why, Nora? Because as you

1:11

pointed out before we got on, it's

1:13

a Jodi week on the pod. It's

1:16

not a girl week. It's not a

1:18

boy week. It's a secret third

1:20

other thing. The three genders. Jodi

1:22

week. Absolutely. We

1:25

got the pope. And

1:27

I'll take the laughing out of

1:29

my voice. However, he was old and

1:31

he did it in a really iconic

1:33

way. We have the Pope dying on

1:35

Easter weekend as a

1:38

movie called Sinners

1:40

sweeps the nation and Lord

1:42

drops a new single. And

1:45

we get to make fun of JD Vance. I'm

1:47

having a good time. I'm buzzing. We

1:49

got to get into it. There's

1:51

so much happening, nor is sick. The

1:53

weird obsessed head cold is...

1:56

but she's glowing. She looks great. Thank

1:59

you. I feel medium, but

2:01

I'm happy to be here.

2:03

It's very important to me

2:05

as we get into some

2:07

quick hits before we get

2:09

into the conclave that swept

2:11

the nation. It's very important

2:13

to me every once in

2:15

a while to check in

2:17

on what's happening on cable

2:20

TV, and nothing is more

2:22

cable TV or more startling

2:24

to find out what's happening

2:26

on it than a little

2:28

show in its 13th season

2:30

called The Masked Singer. Does

2:32

The Masked Singer ever come across here

2:34

for you, Paige? I mean,

2:37

yeah, because The Masked Singer

2:39

comes across occasionally, always unexpected and

2:41

uninvited. comes across everybody's for

2:43

you page, right? Like every

2:45

once in a while, the biggest

2:47

jump scares that I ever

2:50

experienced are just like uninvited masked

2:52

singer content. Thirteen

2:54

seasons? That is really

2:56

scary. I was not expecting the

2:58

thirteen seasons of it all for

3:00

that to come out of your

3:02

mouth. But this show, this

3:04

curse show has been in

3:06

our lives for over

3:08

a decade. But the masked

3:11

singer came up to

3:13

you this week because why?

3:15

Because Matthew Lawrence of

3:17

the Lawrence brothers of general

3:19

childhood fame and still

3:21

out there floating around. Joey

3:23

Lawrence, I would say,

3:25

was the most famous of

3:28

the three Lawrence brothers. Matthew

3:31

Lawrence, the middle

3:33

brother, most known for Mrs.

3:35

Doubtfire and for suddenly

3:37

getting really hot on Boy

3:39

Meets World. You

3:41

remember that? Great claim to fame. Yeah,

3:43

I do. I do. I was

3:45

running the late 90s. his world, cute. And

3:47

then like a summer went by

3:49

and he got really hot. And I

3:51

feel like in the minds, I

3:54

remained sort of the hot Lawrence brother.

3:56

So I don't know if this

3:58

went fully viral or if I just

4:00

clicked on one and then it

4:02

was all I was going to see.

4:04

for the rest of my life,

4:06

but apparently we are pretty far into

4:08

a season of The Masked Singer. And

4:11

Matthew Lawrence was just revealed

4:13

as I don't even, they

4:15

come up with the craziest

4:18

characters, like they're not even

4:20

just animal -based anymore. anymore.

4:22

It was like paparazzo. Paparazzo,

4:25

which means that he's

4:27

wearing a giant camera head.

4:29

But it looks like a boombox, so it

4:31

makes no sense. It looks like a boombox.

4:33

It has two shutters, so they look like

4:35

eyes. Most hilariously, he's

4:37

wearing giant shoulders in a sort

4:40

of like elbow pad, tweed

4:42

blazer, and giant shoes. And maybe

4:44

they all wear giant shoes,

4:46

but definitely the funniest, like, most

4:48

otherworldly part of this clip

4:51

is when he takes the camera

4:53

headpiece off, and it's just

4:55

his tiny little Matthew Lawrence head.

4:57

on these giant shoes. And

5:00

the reason that it was really

5:02

popular is because this guy's been around

5:04

forever and he's been like on

5:06

the Disney Channel, on Nickelodeon, on lots

5:08

of places where they could have

5:10

made him sing, but he is not

5:12

known for singing. And

5:14

he came

5:17

out and sang

5:19

TLC's Unpretty. Which

5:27

was a clue because he

5:29

sang it when he was still

5:31

masked and he is Matthew

5:33

Lawrence Dating chilly from TLC. Do

5:36

that 90s power couple? Yeah,

5:38

I feel like I at some

5:40

point in the last two

5:42

years or whatever have seen some

5:44

post or like Cut article

5:46

or something blog. That's like, hey,

5:49

did you know that Matthew

5:51

Lawrence is dating chilly? like

5:53

people and like Entertainment Weekly

5:55

really want you to know this

5:57

information. And it's

5:59

never like nothing really notable

6:01

about their relationship. They seem,

6:04

you know, they've been together for a couple of

6:06

years. It's just like, did you know that

6:08

these two people that you've heard of are dating

6:10

each other? Nor did you know that Matthew

6:12

Lawrence can sing like an angel is the thing.

6:14

I had no idea. I really had no

6:16

idea. This did not,

6:18

I didn't know that this happened

6:20

until you alerted me. to

6:23

it. To the Black Mirror

6:25

vibes. Yeah. Well, and

6:27

my look, the general masked

6:29

singer jumpscares that have historically

6:31

appeared on my timeline tend

6:33

to be of the Rudy

6:35

Giuliani variety. Probably

6:38

the canonical example. But

6:41

I do think that this went, you

6:43

know, to the extent that this did seem

6:45

to go a little bit viral. I feel

6:47

like it's everybody just being like, whoa, I

6:49

didn't know that guy could sing. Well,

6:52

it's nice because as far

6:54

as I know that he's

6:56

like a pretty unproblematic, nostalgic

6:58

fave who we did not

7:00

know could sing, made it

7:02

really far on this show.

7:05

And when he was unmasked, I should

7:07

be very clear, I do not

7:09

know how the rules of mass singer

7:12

work. I don't know why they

7:14

get unmasked. I don't know

7:16

how Ginny McCarthy guesses who

7:18

they are. I

7:20

don't know why Robin Thicke is there. I

7:22

know I read Aura is there for the

7:24

paycheck, baby. I

7:26

do not know structurally how it works,

7:29

but for some reason Matthew Lawrence was

7:31

unmasked and he was so sweet about

7:33

it and so humble. And when he's

7:35

unmasked and he sings the song, he

7:37

basically keeps his eyes closed the entire

7:39

time. He sounds great, like a 90s,

7:41

like he sounds like Jesse McCartney, just

7:43

like kind of like a. sweet pop

7:45

voice and he said that he did

7:47

it to get over his fear of

7:49

singing and that he thought the mask

7:51

would be good for him. That's so

7:54

beautiful. And it was

7:56

the thing that I loved about this

7:58

was that once he sent this

8:00

to me, it was revealed to me

8:02

that there's a fairly robust masked

8:04

singer content universe because clearly as is

8:06

often the case with these network

8:08

TV shows that like You got

8:10

to check in on them once in a while,

8:12

as you said, because there's a lot going on there.

8:14

And you feel like there's not that many people

8:16

watching. And then you realize that there are a lot

8:18

of people watching and a lot of people posting

8:20

and a lot of people getting involved. There's

8:23

a lot of continual content

8:25

about who people think the

8:27

various contestants are. And

8:30

at one point, Paparazzo,

8:32

Paparazzo, that was his... masked

8:34

name had given a clue that,

8:36

yes, yes, that he was

8:38

friends with Steve Martin and Matthew

8:40

Lawrence and Steve Martin do

8:42

know each other because they were

8:44

in planes, trains and automobiles

8:47

together. But there was just like,

8:49

I was just clicking through a lot of these

8:51

videos. And the thing that was so funny to

8:53

me is that so many people in the comments

8:55

as soon as like, there were a lot of

8:57

people being like, Obviously, this is Matthew Lawrence based

8:59

on the other clues that he's given. We have

9:01

put this together. We've got it that it's definitely

9:03

Matthew Lawrence. But as soon as he said Steve

9:05

Martin, the other half of

9:07

the people was just immediately like, well,

9:09

it's Martin Short. Is that

9:11

Steve Martin's only friend? And

9:14

it did make me think

9:16

that those two have really

9:18

emphasized that in the branding.

9:21

They have defined Besties for sure.

9:23

No, totally, totally. To the extent

9:25

that it's almost misleading for anybody

9:27

else to describe themselves as friends

9:29

with Steve Martin, if they are

9:31

not, in fact, Martin Short. You

9:34

make a great point that the

9:36

comments about the way that people

9:38

watch Mask Singer, which is a

9:40

whole other thing, occasionally you've got

9:42

to get your eyes on Mask

9:44

Singer, almost as like, what

9:46

is it like when you introduce allergies

9:48

to a child when they're very young, so

9:51

hopefully they won't have them? If

9:53

you're caught unaware, I don't know what else

9:55

it's called other than what you just said. You've

9:58

got to introduce it to yourself

10:00

in fits and spurts because if

10:03

you just stumble across this imagery,

10:05

I really invite everyone to

10:07

just go and look

10:09

just at image stills of

10:11

what is happening with

10:14

Edwin McCain as Nessie, a

10:16

take on the Loch

10:18

Ness monster. Erika

10:20

Jane as Yorkie,

10:22

a truly horrifying

10:24

interpretation of a

10:27

Yorkie dog. Method

10:29

Man as Stud Muffin.

10:31

Method Man did the

10:33

masked singer? Sure did.

10:35

Made it about midway through the

10:37

pack, got voted out just after

10:39

James Van Der Beek as a

10:41

griffin. No. His costume's kind of

10:43

normal. He's sort of like, how

10:46

many times has Flavor Flav been

10:48

on this show? Yeah, that's a good

10:50

question. Flavor Flav has to be

10:52

on the best singer once per season.

10:55

Flavor Flav is on every season and

10:57

someone is always singing Yellow by

10:59

Coldplay. Those are the two things that

11:01

I know about the Masked Singer.

11:03

But you just visually have to see

11:05

it so that you know what's

11:08

happening. But you also have to know

11:10

how people are watching it. As

11:12

you've pointed out, when you get into

11:14

these comments, people are like,

11:16

this is Andy Grammar. fucking

11:18

Andy grammar. I know

11:21

this is Andy. They're

11:23

so, so intense about

11:25

these guesses and I

11:27

don't know where guessing

11:29

gets you. I guess

11:31

just righteous, righteous fury,

11:33

but it's very intense.

11:36

Well, I think it's like we

11:38

all have our little pop culture

11:40

niches and it's very easy to

11:42

be, to focus on one clue,

11:44

right? The only actual reasonable way

11:46

to triangulate yourself into an answer

11:48

is to look at all the

11:50

clues. But it's very easy because

11:52

we don't know like not the

11:55

average person is not going to

11:57

know every single reference or clue

11:59

that somebody gives to just be

12:01

like, oh, friends with Steve Martin,

12:03

there's only one person who fits

12:05

that description. So it must be

12:07

him. He must have the voice

12:09

of a young angel, Martin Short. I'm

12:12

never gonna know the clues because,

12:14

as usual, I am watching this

12:16

show maximum in 60 -second increments

12:18

on TikTok, but I have to

12:21

be careful because it can pull

12:23

you in. And if you watch

12:25

too many, then you're just basically

12:27

watching The Masked Singer. The Masked

12:29

Singer is like, could This

12:32

is the show that I think

12:34

most of all exemplifies. Like, if

12:36

you were an alien and you

12:38

landed on Earth for the first

12:40

time, I think there's probably a

12:42

lot of things that would seem

12:44

very strange, but the masked singer,

12:47

like if I landed on planet Earth and

12:49

encountered the masked singer as my first

12:51

sort of cultural totem, I would turn back.

12:53

I was just going to say you'd

12:55

turn back around and that's why we have

12:57

to keep it. It's a safety mechanism.

12:59

Wow. Wow. In case the aliens are

13:01

bad. However, Erica

13:04

Jane as Yorkie might be a

13:06

bad alien as is, I'm not

13:08

sure. It's absolutely

13:10

horrifying. I haven't landed

13:12

where on the horrifying scale

13:15

this is. Nora, would

13:17

you like to tell the people

13:19

the strangest new celebrity coupling of

13:21

the week? By the way, now

13:23

this is where I... where you

13:26

talk about something and then you

13:28

see it everywhere. Now, these are

13:30

two people who, I'm surprised they

13:32

haven't been masked singer contestants already.

13:35

Both of them, think. think. No, actually,

13:37

I have no idea. But

13:39

it's Billy Ray Cyrus and

13:41

Elizabeth Hurley, who over Easter

13:43

weekend, I believe, hard

13:45

launched on Instagram via

13:47

a post where they're like

13:49

kind of kissing, but

13:52

not totally. And he's

13:54

wearing bunny ears. And she's

13:56

sort of basking in the sun. How

13:59

do you feel about this new celeb couple,

14:01

Jody? Well, I would like to

14:03

first report one piece of news, which is that

14:05

Billy Ray Cyrus has been on the Mask

14:07

Singer. Shut the

14:09

fuck up. As

14:12

ice cream in season

14:14

six. I

14:16

feel like Billy Ray Cyrus

14:18

would be instantly recognizable. Like,

14:20

you hear that voice and you're

14:22

like, oh, that's the Aiki Breaky Heart

14:24

guy. That's Miley Cyrus' dad. Would

14:26

he be more instantly recognizable if he

14:29

sang Aiki Breaky Heart, which he

14:31

did banana? Are fucking kidding me? I

14:33

saw that his name was ice

14:35

cream, but he's dressed as a

14:37

banana. What?

14:41

You can take out some of

14:44

these pauses, Sasha, as we

14:46

just... Take this all in.

14:48

We try to make sense of the least

14:50

-sensical television program that has ever existed. Okay,

14:53

I don't mean to keep going back

14:55

to the Masked Singer. This is something

14:58

that I don't understand what the rules

15:00

are, not in terms of how they

15:02

get on Masked, but in terms of

15:04

who can be on it, because they're

15:06

right that it is Andy Grammar. The

15:08

thingamajig or whatever they're called, the character

15:10

that's going to win, almost for sure,

15:12

because he has an incredible voice, because

15:15

he's Andy Grammar. is named Boogie Woogie

15:17

Monster. And I don't really

15:19

understand how you can be like an

15:21

active recording artist and be on the Masked

15:23

Singer. Well, is Andy Grammer

15:25

an active recording artist really these days?

15:27

Yeah, he's always around like singing

15:29

on a Sprint commercial or something. Yeah,

15:31

but I think still exists. I

15:34

think when you're singing on a

15:36

Sprint commercial, unfortunately, is about the time.

15:38

You can also be singing on.

15:40

I just like, I don't understand how

15:42

Billy Ray Cyrus gets to sing

15:45

Aiki Breakie Heart on the Masked

15:47

Singer that feels like cheating the system

15:49

in some way, but I also

15:51

don't understand how Billy Ray Cyrus gets

15:53

to date Elizabeth Hurley to answer

15:55

your original question. Yeah, I mean, I,

15:57

so here's, I don't think you

15:59

should be able to sing your own

16:01

song. Like that's just too Back

16:03

to the Masked Singer. No, right,

16:06

yeah, we're still talking about the Masked

16:08

Singer. You can't,

16:10

Jody Core, because they're coming at it

16:12

from like really different angles, it

16:14

seems like. You can't be going and

16:16

having Rudy Giuliani for a number

16:18

of reasons, but one of them being

16:20

that's just not an obvious choice

16:22

for someone to have on the Masked

16:24

Singer, but then also, at

16:26

the same time, have Billy Ray Cyrus

16:29

sing the one Billy Ray Cyrus

16:31

song that is famous, I guess, except

16:33

if it doesn't involve Lil Nas

16:35

X. But then are people like, well,

16:37

that's too obvious, like Billy

16:39

Ray Cyrus. saying. Like, there's some that

16:41

are so confusing and some that are so

16:43

obvious. Sort of a

16:45

Machiavellian genius, which Billy Ray

16:47

Cyrus might just be. Yeah,

16:50

I mean, 13 seasons. I guess

16:52

I shouldn't question them. I'm going to

16:54

tell you what bothers me about

16:56

this Elizabeth Hurley Billy Ray Cyrus reveal.

16:59

One that had happened over Easter for some

17:01

reason. Those bunny ears

17:03

are too small for his head.

17:05

But also, why when non -country

17:07

women start dating country music

17:09

singers, do they have to start

17:11

dressing like they are country

17:14

music singers? She is really wearing

17:16

a flannel in this photo.

17:18

And she's not dressed for the

17:20

farm. It is a very

17:22

fitted flannel exposing an excellent amount

17:24

of decolletage. I

17:26

sternum is out.

17:29

It's less sternum more cleave,

17:31

but all the chest

17:33

participles are there. Everything's

17:36

available. This is such

17:38

a random pairing. And

17:40

because Billy Ray Cyrus sucks,

17:43

if Miley Cyrus says he

17:45

sucks, I believe her. I'm

17:47

on Miley's side forever. And

17:49

I guess I've been waiting

17:51

to sort of draw the

17:53

line on Elizabeth Hurley. But

17:56

what's funny about this announcement

17:58

coming at this time is

18:00

that it prior to the

18:02

announcement had already been resurfaced

18:04

back to my eyes on

18:06

Twitter, a different

18:08

Easter update from

18:10

Elizabeth Hurley in 2018

18:13

on Easter. She's

18:15

wearing bunny ears in

18:17

this photo. She

18:19

tweeted. Thanking God today that

18:21

my nephew Miles is with us

18:23

for Easter today. His wound is

18:25

still oozing blood, but he's alive

18:27

and we're thankful. The

18:29

nice men who stabbed him are

18:32

still roaming around London, perhaps

18:34

around your loved ones. Happy

18:36

Easter. Kiss, kiss. Nora,

18:39

would you like to describe the

18:41

photo that accommodates this absolute twist

18:43

and turn of a tweet? Yeah,

18:46

so the nephew,

18:48

Miles. is

18:50

in part of the photo and he's

18:52

doing a little bit of a blue

18:54

steal and he's looking at the camera.

18:56

Then cheek to cheek with him, sort

18:58

of like coming in from below. Elizabeth

19:01

Hurley wearing bunny ears

19:03

is, her eyes

19:05

are closed, sort

19:07

of as though she's like... in

19:10

a deep breath. Smelling him. She

19:12

appears to be smelling him. Yeah.

19:15

She's like leaning her face up

19:17

against his and she seems

19:19

to be breathing in deeply with

19:21

her eyes closed. And then

19:23

it just has happy Easter. No

19:25

like exclamation point or any

19:27

just happy Easter, no punctuation

19:30

in purple in the like

19:32

Instagram font at an angle

19:34

written over the photo of

19:36

the two of them. It

19:38

is a deeply intimate pose

19:40

for nephew and aunt. Was

19:43

there lore with this? Did we

19:45

ever find out? Like, did he

19:47

get stabbed? Well, he

19:50

definitely got stabbed by a

19:52

knife man who could be

19:54

near your friends and family

19:56

right now as well. I

19:58

wonder what Elizabeth

20:00

Hurley's main association with

20:02

Easter is it

20:04

doesn't seem particularly religious.

20:07

It does seem about kind of like

20:09

hard launching. How did

20:11

they meet? How did she meet Billy Ray Cyrus? I

20:14

mean, I don't know. I remember

20:16

Rooney per your assumptions last week.

20:18

I can only imagine. was literally

20:20

going to say like there's famous

20:22

people just wind up in weird

20:24

situations together. Presumably a member of

20:26

Rooney is always involved. Here's

20:28

the most generous read on

20:31

this, right? I'm

20:33

with you. I am

20:35

very much team Miley

20:37

in the Cyrus family

20:40

drama, though it does

20:42

seem like she and

20:44

some of the siblings

20:46

have expressed some serious

20:48

concerns about his health

20:51

and sobriety

20:53

or lack thereof. Elizabeth Hurley, I

20:55

believe, is kind of like California

20:57

sober and very into health and

20:59

wellness and blah, blah, blah, blah,

21:01

blah. She's also basically his age.

21:04

And so maybe there's a world in which

21:06

this is sort of a strangely healthy

21:08

choice for someone who has not seemed to

21:10

be making a lot of those recently.

21:12

So I wish them the best. Thank

21:15

you for this maybe

21:17

healthy choice lead -in to

21:19

our final point that we

21:21

need. to talk about

21:23

that's really swept the We're

21:25

Obsessed group chat before

21:27

we move on to Popes,

21:29

which is that Khloe

21:31

Kardashian is the newest warrior

21:33

for big protein, which

21:35

is, of course, mounting some

21:37

sort of battle or

21:39

war that we are yet

21:41

to be aware of.

21:43

But something's going on with

21:45

protein. We're going

21:47

to crack it. And Khloe

21:49

is launching Cloud Popcorn,

21:51

which is a

21:54

protein popcorn spelled

21:56

K -H -L -O -U

21:58

-D. I know those are

22:00

the first four out of five

22:02

letters of Chloe's name, but for some

22:04

reason it's so many extra and

22:06

wrong letters for Cloud that like the

22:09

two, it doesn't even associate towards

22:11

her name for me. It just looks

22:13

crazy. It actually, like there's no

22:15

real argument for why it shouldn't be

22:17

Cloud, but it just looks wrong.

22:19

It looks clunky. I think she should

22:22

have left the H out, but

22:24

maybe that's the least of our worries

22:26

because I am someone who's susceptible

22:28

to the protein rhetoric. I

22:30

try to get plenty of

22:32

protein because I know that

22:34

it fills me up. I'll

22:36

eat a protein bar. I'll

22:39

eat a meat stick from

22:41

time to time. But I

22:43

think something about this was

22:45

like, I'm drawing the damn

22:47

line at protein popcorn. Leave

22:49

it alone. I'm so mad

22:51

about this and I can't It's

22:53

not that I can't figure

22:55

out why I can tell you

22:57

why it's that like I

23:00

need the Kardashians to leave us

23:02

alone for a minute like

23:04

things don't feel bad in the

23:06

world and this Family coming

23:08

up with more and more ways

23:10

to just like sell shit

23:12

I need them to not make

23:14

food like I don't they

23:16

are not trusted experts in

23:18

the food industry, the

23:21

culinary world, in the culinary

23:23

arts. And it's

23:25

also flaunting in our faces.

23:27

Like, you do not

23:29

have this body because of

23:31

protein popcorn. Right.

23:33

Well, and they're also doing the like,

23:35

here's a snack you don't have

23:38

to feel guilty about in the marketing.

23:40

feel guilty about eating popcorn. I

23:43

was looking at Reddit. Thread

23:45

about this today, and that's what

23:47

everybody like all of the comments

23:50

were like yeah, so actually when

23:52

I eat I don't feel guilty

23:54

about eating popcorn You know I

23:56

lied so that I could be

23:58

indignant, but actually I I can't

24:00

eat popcorn anymore it makes me

24:02

go crazy like it it completely

24:04

ruins my life if I eat

24:06

popcorn and It's the one of

24:09

the greatest losses of my

24:11

life. Oh my gosh. I absolutely love it.

24:13

And so I actually do feel guilty because

24:15

if I have like a handful of popcorn, my

24:18

whole body will cramp up. But

24:20

I want it so bad. So

24:22

that's why I feel guilty, not

24:24

because of the health content. And

24:26

I don't appreciate it being rubbed

24:28

in my face like this. Yeah.

24:31

I mean, look, I was like

24:33

really googling around for a reason

24:35

to be like, this sucks. This

24:37

is stupid. This isn't even. Real

24:39

popcorn, it doesn't have protein. Yeah,

24:41

they dust some milk protein.

24:43

Tell them about the dust, Nora.

24:46

On top of the popcorn. And it does.

24:48

There's seven grams of protein in a serving.

24:52

You know, there's like two grams of protein

24:54

in a serving of like skinny pop

24:56

or whatever. So on some level, sure, if

24:58

you're trying to eat more protein and

25:00

you already eat popcorn, I guess

25:02

having popcorn that has protein powder

25:04

on it on some level. Like, there's

25:06

nothing wrong with that. I just,

25:09

I resent that it's coming from the

25:11

person that it's coming from. And

25:13

that's really the reason that I'm mad.

25:15

And I resent the marketing angle. And

25:19

that is just my truth. And

25:21

therefore, I'm gonna stick to trying to

25:23

have a Greek yogurt once in

25:25

a while and putting edamame in my

25:27

salads. I think that

25:30

sounds like a great, great

25:32

solution. Did

25:34

you see on TikTok, when

25:37

the CEO of Crumble

25:39

Cookie tried Courtney's, like Crumble

25:41

Cookie did a collaboration with

25:43

the Kardashians, and Courtney's Cookie

25:46

was like a flowerless, sugarless

25:48

cake that everyone said was

25:50

just ass. And there is

25:52

a video of allegedly the

25:54

CEO of Crumble Cookie.

25:56

It's not how I would

25:58

have expected the CEO of

26:01

Crumble Cookie to look. Trying. the

26:04

cookie on a TikTok and he

26:06

visibly stores it in his cheek

26:08

and doesn't swallow it. I

26:12

bet that this popcorn is

26:14

going to taste just fine because

26:16

we've been mutating popcorn in

26:18

all kinds of ways for decades.

26:21

And I'm sure that this is going

26:23

to taste good, but I'm not

26:25

going to pay $8 for it. No,

26:27

I mean, you know what it

26:29

is? It is popcorn with a cheese

26:31

-flavored version of like protein powder that

26:33

you or Saxon Ratliff would put

26:35

in a smoothie. And if

26:37

that's your jam, more power

26:39

to you, I'm annoyed by

26:41

it. If she put it in

26:43

a cylindrical can split in three

26:46

directions with three different flavors of the

26:48

Chloe Cloud Dust popcorn, a la

26:50

Christmas time, I might eat it for

26:52

nostalgia reasons. But other than that,

26:54

and maybe taste testing it for this

26:56

podcast. give away free ideas. Damn

26:58

it. Sasha. Get Chloe on

27:01

the line. We got

27:03

a real moneymaker on our hands. Speaking

27:06

of, Nora, let's

27:08

have a concave. Let's have a

27:10

concave. OK. I

27:12

don't even know how

27:14

to get into this,

27:16

except you first say

27:18

that I have been

27:20

quietly singing to myself

27:22

all week long. since

27:24

Pope Francis passed, which we will

27:26

get into, and we have come to

27:28

find that we will be having

27:31

an IRL conclave to find the new

27:33

pope. We are not invited, but

27:35

we are spectators. When Conclave

27:37

the Movie came out, there

27:39

was a viral fan edit

27:41

set to, let's have a

27:43

kiki. And it said,

27:46

let's have a conclave. I've

27:50

been singing Lady Gaga's

27:52

Love Game. Let's have

27:55

a conclave. Have a conclave. Do you want love?

27:57

Do you want fame? Have a conclave. Okay,

27:59

I've been doing it too, except I

28:01

don't say, when I sing it in my

28:03

head, it's not, do you want

28:05

love? Do you want fame? I do.

28:07

you want love lyrics? want,

28:10

do you want clave? Are you in

28:12

the clave for the love clave? Do you

28:14

want Pope? Do you want clave? Have a

28:16

conclave. Oh my God.

28:18

It's very... because it is

28:21

very ridiculous how into

28:23

this the internet has gotten.

28:25

But I think the

28:27

reason is much like the

28:30

popcorn can trifold. One

28:32

is that we really now

28:34

know what a conclave

28:36

is because of the Rafe

28:39

Fines movie from last

28:41

year, Conclave. And no

28:43

one actually fully knows how a

28:45

conclave goes. except for the Cardinals

28:47

who go inside. But what we

28:49

do know from the Conclave movie

28:51

is that most of these Cardinals

28:53

are messy bitches who live for

28:55

drama. And I'm sure are repeating

28:57

what's happening. So we have a

28:59

pretty good idea of what goes

29:01

on in a Conclave. And now

29:03

that this movie came out last

29:05

year, we have like a visual

29:07

on it. I have now watched

29:09

Conclave. Have you seen Conclave, Nora?

29:11

Yes. OK. Yeah, I saw

29:14

Conclave not like right after it

29:16

came out, but. So what

29:18

we know is that there are

29:20

pope dorms, that the cardinals

29:22

come and stay in, that those

29:24

pope dorms, for some reason,

29:26

have a real, like, porny vibe

29:28

to them. They have, like, black

29:31

leather couches with red, Yeah,

29:34

like, satin pillows. street, totally. Yes, totally.

29:36

Very black and red. A lot

29:38

more ribbon than you might expect. A

29:41

lot of pomp and circumstance around

29:43

ribbons. didn't get... didn't give me porny

29:45

when I watched it. I'll just

29:47

be clear on that. There's just something

29:49

about those dorms that's a little

29:52

like sterile, like they're ready to be

29:54

wiped. Sure, okay. Listen,

29:56

I watched it three days

29:58

ago, so it's fresh on the

30:01

brain. I watched it three

30:03

days ago, much like everyone else,

30:05

since Pope Francis passing and

30:07

the news that the conclave is

30:09

coming, let's have a conclave. The

30:13

viewership of Conclave

30:15

has increased by 283%.

30:17

And I'm one

30:19

of them. It went, it

30:22

had been streaming on maybe like

30:24

Peacock or Max. Now it is streaming

30:26

on Prime Video. Very easy

30:28

to access. It's

30:30

a fun time. Unfortunately, once

30:32

you watch Conclave, you

30:34

will receive every piece of

30:37

information about the upcoming

30:39

Conclave going. Oh wow, that's a

30:41

lot like conclave. Which

30:44

has to annoy Catholics

30:46

so much. And this

30:48

is going to be the most obvious thing I've

30:50

ever said. A conclave is

30:52

obviously, it's not based

30:54

on, it's not based on a

30:56

true story, but it's particularly the

30:58

ending, but it is obviously based

31:00

on a real event. And

31:02

I do, like I am, nevertheless

31:05

in my head, I am

31:07

like, Oh, the Vatican's gonna, like,

31:09

dress up, like, conclave into

31:11

a conclave. Like, the movie Conclave.

31:13

Yeah, they're gonna wait the

31:15

papal tradition since 572. And I'm

31:17

just like, oh, that guy's

31:19

John Lithgow. Like, Oh,

31:21

it's, like, Conclave. But,

31:23

however, we'll get into this.

31:26

There are some pretty serious

31:28

parallels, mostly because the movie

31:30

was really accurate and, like...

31:32

Well, and also because the

31:34

movie was based on the

31:36

thing that they're about to

31:38

do. right, but also the

31:41

sort of political construct of

31:43

like how it's breaking down

31:45

is like, there are really

31:47

parallel characters to these real

31:49

life cardinals. Let's first though, address

31:52

Pope Francis

31:55

passing, frankly, like

31:57

an absolute icon. On the

31:59

way out, please. Pope

32:01

Francis had been in poor

32:03

health for a while. He

32:06

got better. Kind of

32:08

a miracle. Out of nowhere, he's doing

32:10

a lot better. He also, by

32:12

the way, if we're going to be

32:14

conspiratorial about it, he was in

32:16

Superpoor Health right around the Oscars when

32:19

Conclave, the movie, was campaigning. He

32:21

said, let's not have a Conclave have a

32:23

Conclave. Do you want love or

32:25

do you want claims? Tipping my tiny hat to

32:27

what's going on here. Instead, he

32:30

met JD Vance.

32:33

over Easter weekend. Then immediately dropped

32:35

dead. Told him to stop

32:37

being a little bitch about immigration,

32:40

basically. Waited

32:42

for Easter to pass on

32:44

Sunday, and then immediately

32:46

died on Monday. Super

32:48

making it seem like JD Vance had

32:50

something to do with his death.

32:52

Like he was just like, I'm out.

32:54

I had to spend time with

32:56

the least charismatic man on planet Earth,

32:58

and now done. I gotta go.

33:00

He said, Jesus has risen. And

33:03

now I will be dying. Fuck

33:05

JD Vance. Gotta go. And

33:07

for like a pretty

33:09

beloved Pope, it just,

33:11

it is kind of

33:13

iconic. He really made

33:15

a statement on the way

33:18

out, also making a statement.

33:20

JD Vance, who does not

33:22

want to be blamed for

33:24

this death, and stated that

33:26

Pope Francis was obviously very

33:29

ill during their meeting. Really,

33:32

really old guy. Wasn't doing so well.

33:34

Definitely in poor health. Didn't have anything to

33:36

do with me. Nice to see him

33:38

though. And he definitely didn't tell

33:40

me that I was being a little bitch

33:42

about a bunch of stuff. No, I think

33:44

that was coughing. I think that those were

33:47

coughs. It didn't seem like he was doing

33:49

well. This is the most Jonah from Veep

33:51

storyline I have ever seen. It's been a

33:53

very Veepy week. Like, so,

33:56

so Veep. And I

33:58

saw this. I will say that

34:00

I saw this. like reposted on

34:02

his Instagram by Jack Schlossberg. But

34:04

it was like a meme where

34:06

it was, fuck Mary kill. And

34:09

it was the couch. It

34:11

was JD Vance's wife, Usha

34:13

Vance. And it was the pope.

34:16

And it will never leave

34:18

my brain. Usha killed the

34:20

pope. I mean, it has

34:22

been quite the run for

34:25

JD Vance. Breaking that

34:27

trophy. in front of all those

34:29

football players and all those cameras, and

34:31

then killing the Pope. Yeah, he

34:33

just, he can't get it right, that guy. Which

34:36

already was like making

34:38

this, I mean, obviously

34:40

the Pope dying is a big

34:42

story, but then the JD Vance

34:44

of it all was making it

34:46

a huge internet story. Then everyone

34:49

realized that a conclave is basically

34:51

sports. At this point, we know

34:53

enough about it. The actual Vatican

34:55

is putting up like stats. about

34:57

the Cardinals who are going to

35:00

be coming to this conclave in

35:02

a short time. And

35:04

so in addition to

35:06

let's have a conclave,

35:09

we're thinking let's have

35:11

a Pope scouting

35:13

report. Flash draft guys. What

35:16

would be the funniest campaign

35:18

season or scouting season to

35:20

put the Pope candidates through.

35:22

Is it like an Oscars

35:24

campaign where they have to

35:26

like go on hot ones?

35:29

Is it like the NFL scouting

35:31

combined where like that you have

35:33

to run the 40 yard dash?

35:35

Timothy Chalamet is doing. It's what

35:37

Timothy Chalamet did for a complete

35:39

unknown. I want them going on

35:42

Theo Von's podcast, Morals Be Damned. I

35:44

want them kind of like

35:46

dancing in weirdly long black and

35:48

white videos. And I

35:50

mean, we should say, Pope

35:53

Crave on Twitter, aka

35:55

Club Conclave, which was

35:57

created during the height of

35:59

Conclave is having an

36:01

absolute field day, which is,

36:03

of course, based on

36:05

Club Chalamet. I mean, the

36:08

other fabulous tweet that

36:10

I've seen versions of everywhere

36:12

this week has basically

36:14

just been like, Conclave marketing

36:16

budget. Crazy. Because

36:19

you know what? This did finally get

36:21

me to watch it. I don't know

36:23

why I was holding off. I didn't

36:25

need, I just want to say that

36:28

I didn't need the Pope to die

36:30

to watch Conclave. I was in on

36:32

Conclave. Isabella Rossellini just like doing little

36:34

typing. I'm so there. There was no

36:36

reason I wasn't watching it, but like

36:38

enough time passed, I guess. And

36:40

I'm not an Oscar voter, so

36:42

I don't now legally have to

36:44

watch all of the Oscar movies

36:46

for the first time ever for

36:48

some reason this year. And I

36:50

do feel bad because Sasha does

36:52

find a way to fit Conclave

36:54

into the conversation almost every week.

36:56

And I haven't been watching it,

36:59

but now I have, and we

37:01

can be closer than ever. Did

37:03

you like it? Can I just

37:05

have your like five second review

37:07

of Conclave the movie? I liked

37:09

it a lot. I had fun

37:11

watching it. It is incredibly well

37:13

acted, well directed.

37:16

There is a lot of

37:18

like unexpected humor, a

37:20

sort of a very edited

37:22

use of emotion. However,

37:25

it's been hyped up a lot. How

37:28

messy. these Cardinals are

37:30

in Conclave and like how

37:32

they're always just whispering and like

37:34

spreading drama. And that's definitely

37:36

true and it's definitely there. I

37:38

think I expected it to

37:40

be a little bitchier because of

37:42

the way that people talk

37:44

about it. But I totally understand

37:47

that the fun is in

37:49

talking about it like that because

37:51

the movie is pretty serious

37:53

and they are being like underhanded

37:55

at times. And there is,

37:57

you know, it's pretty subtle. It's

37:59

a pretty subtle movie. But it's subtle,

38:01

but it's way funnier to think

38:03

about it in retrospect, that it's not

38:05

subtle, that these are messy bitches

38:07

who live for drama, and that that

38:10

is now how we are thinking

38:12

about these real cardinals. Right. OK,

38:17

so shall we meet the popes?

38:19

Let's meet the popes in waiting.

38:21

hopeful. We'll just say first that

38:23

kind of the outlook on this

38:25

is that like the past two

38:27

at least papal papal. Oh my

38:29

god. Also there are so many

38:31

words and the one that I

38:33

really can't get behind is I

38:35

guess they the cardinals when they

38:37

talk about those among them who

38:39

have a good chance at being

38:41

pope they describe them as papal

38:44

bull. Uh -huh. And I

38:46

can't hear that we later really translates.

38:48

to popable. Popable. English.

38:51

But it's, it's, it's,

38:53

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

38:55

it's, it's, it's, it's,

38:57

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

38:59

it's, it's, it's, it's,

39:01

it's, it's, it's, it's,

39:03

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

39:05

it's, it's, it's, it's,

39:07

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

39:11

it's,

39:17

The construct here is basically that

39:19

the conclave generally happens within

39:21

no more than two weeks after

39:23

the Pope dies. So this

39:26

will likely be convening once all

39:28

of the Cardinals can arrive

39:30

in early May. Why are you

39:32

laughing? amazing how quickly things

39:34

become like... A type of horse

39:36

race that we're all little

39:38

mini pundits about. We're like, oh,

39:40

it's a nine day morning

39:42

period. And then they go in

39:45

for the first. Is it

39:47

going to be the first one? Is it going to be the second one? Here's

39:49

those Italians drag their heels, getting

39:51

there. I'm, I'm, I'm

39:53

casting my vote elsewhere. I am like, no

39:56

one thought Francis was going

39:58

to be Pope last time. Like

40:00

no one really knows anything,

40:02

but there are some Pope foals.

40:05

I'll do a full candidate. Wait,

40:07

and maybe you're going to say

40:09

this, but we should say that. Are

40:12

you going to talk about how like Pope Francis

40:14

set this up? Oh,

40:16

well, or I can't. I'm just I didn't

40:18

know if it was part of the

40:20

I didn't know if it was part of

40:22

the draft guide, but like the most

40:24

conclave thing about this. Oh, that's

40:27

just like conclave the movie is

40:29

that on his way out in

40:31

addition to saying fuck you to

40:33

J .D. Vance. Pope

40:35

Francis made sure to

40:37

appoint dozens of

40:39

cardinals from outside Europe,

40:42

which is new. He

40:45

has changed the dynamics

40:47

of the larger cardinal

40:49

body and popable candidates

40:51

significantly by appointing all

40:53

of these cardinals outside

40:55

of Europe, which also

40:57

means that the voting

40:59

body is a lot

41:01

more spread out than it used to

41:04

be, and they know each other

41:06

a lot less. So there's a lot

41:08

less talking in advance of let's

41:10

have a conclave. So

41:12

the potential for this

41:14

to go completely sideways

41:16

and a completely unexpected

41:19

result is not only

41:21

very high, but seemingly

41:23

very intentional by good -hearted,

41:25

messy Pope Francis. Well,

41:28

and I think it's also

41:30

like he really cared a

41:32

lot about trying to have

41:34

the Vatican reach out more

41:37

to like outside of Europe

41:39

and to the church like

41:41

in Asia and in Africa.

41:43

And I think from his

41:45

perspective as someone who's considered

41:48

a relatively progressive pope, it

41:50

was a complicated thing because

41:52

it's those are often those

41:54

churches are often the most

41:56

traditional But

41:59

they were also places that this

42:01

pope who was considered a progressive

42:03

pope wanted to make feel more

42:05

connected to the institutional church. There's

42:07

a little bit of a push

42:09

-pull in there, but I think

42:11

the effect as far as the

42:13

conclave goes is that it is

42:15

even more of a mystery of

42:17

how it's going to go than

42:19

usual because there's a lot of

42:21

new people and a lot of

42:23

people who are not used to

42:25

talking to each other. They

42:28

just don't really know. And again,

42:30

people never really know. However, here

42:32

are the popes that people taught

42:34

they're not popes. They're cardinals. Well,

42:36

you know what they say. You walk

42:38

into the conclave of a pope, you

42:41

leave a cardinal. You leave a cardinal. Yeah, I

42:43

do know that they say that. You know that they

42:45

say that. I know. You know they say that,

42:47

Nora. I definitely knew three days ago. I've

42:49

always known that they say that.

42:51

But OK, here are our popes.

42:53

We have cardinal Petter Erdo. who

42:56

is a conservative cardinal from Hungary.

42:58

This guy is definitely considered one

43:00

of the front runners, but he

43:02

is definitely on the conservative side.

43:04

Not a fan of gay marriage. But

43:07

if the church were

43:09

to, if the cardinals went

43:11

in a traditional conservative

43:13

direction, this guy is allegedly

43:15

like very diplomatic, knows a lot of

43:18

people. A little worried

43:20

about our guy, Petter. Then

43:22

we have cardinal Pietro

43:24

Perolin. who I think his

43:26

job is essentially what Ray finds his

43:28

job in Conclave was originally, where

43:30

he was like the Pope's second in

43:32

command in the Vatican. By

43:35

the standards of the Catholic Church, he

43:37

is considered a moderate, which

43:39

seems as though it has a lot to

43:41

do with the fact that he doesn't

43:43

think the traditional mass should always be in

43:45

Latin, is

43:48

sure. He

43:51

has preached a focus on climate

43:53

change, which I think is very admirable.

43:56

He's still very much like anti -abortion, not

43:59

great on gay rights. But

44:02

okay, okay. Here

44:04

is someone that we can maybe stand. Cardinal

44:07

Louise Tegel Togle. who

44:09

would be the first Southeast

44:11

Asian Pope. He is

44:13

Filipino. He is 67

44:16

years young, which is truly young

44:18

by Pope standards because they

44:20

often choose an old Pope so

44:22

that the terms aren't super

44:24

long, which is just

44:26

like guys. He

44:28

is definitely on the progressive

44:30

side of the progressive candidates.

44:32

He is considered a front

44:35

runner. and is seen

44:37

as the most like Pope

44:39

Francis. They're sort of like a

44:41

generosity, just a, he's

44:43

sort of kinder in the way that he

44:46

speaks when these issues that have dogged the

44:48

church for so long come up. He also

44:50

looks so cute in his little hat. He's

44:52

so cute. I love Tagli. He

44:54

always has a big grin

44:56

on his face. Yeah,

44:58

he's always cheesing the first

45:00

Asian Pope. He

45:03

has pretty liberal beliefs.

45:05

by Pope standards. And

45:08

I like him. Yeah. I like him.

45:10

fan. Here's the other one I like. Cardinal

45:13

Matteo Zuppi. You love Zuppi.

45:15

I do love Zuppi. The

45:17

cut. I just had to

45:19

share this. The cut

45:21

described this man as the Bernie

45:23

Sanders of Cardinal. And

45:26

what does that mean? Sure.

45:28

He's like open to blessing gay

45:31

couples. He's gonna show up at Coachella

45:33

next year? Yeah, he's like catching

45:35

the Claroset. He

45:37

has reconsidered, he has

45:39

been in favor of reconsidering

45:41

their church's stance on

45:43

contraceptives. He has indicated some

45:45

flexibility on priestly celibacy.

45:47

We're like still definitely not

45:49

doing women priests though, but...

45:52

I think the vibe is he's

45:54

probably not gonna be Pope because

45:56

he's too progressive for the church,

45:58

but go off, King. You gotta

46:00

love that this thing that we're

46:02

investing in, who's gonna be the

46:04

next Pope? When's the smoke gonna

46:06

come out? How many ribbons are

46:08

they gonna use for the voting

46:10

process? That it's still like...

46:12

Oh, he's our most progressive candidate. He's

46:14

like, he wants to bless gay marriage.

46:16

Still no woman priests, though. No, no,

46:19

no, no, we can't be doing that.

46:21

Those are nuns in the kitchen. I

46:23

will say, so like, I

46:25

have seen Cardinal Tagle described

46:28

as like, if he became

46:30

Pope, it would be the

46:32

most like a continuation of

46:34

Pope Francis. But

46:36

Cardinal Zuppi... was like clearly

46:38

very close to and gave

46:40

him a lot of big

46:43

responsibilities. He made him the

46:45

Archbishop of Bologna. He made

46:47

him the Church's envoy to Ukraine. I can't

46:49

believe I know these things. So

46:52

that's our guy, Zupy. Then we

46:54

have Cardinal Robert Sarah, who is,

46:56

I think, pretty nuts. I

46:59

have never seen someone with two

47:02

first names where one is a

47:04

man first name and one is...

47:06

Two first names is a pretty

47:08

common construct, but the

47:10

gender breakdown here. Surely, surely

47:12

Robert Cera supports women priests,

47:14

no? No, definitely not. He definitely

47:17

not. This guy once said

47:19

that contraception led to the social

47:21

legitimization of homosexuality, which that's

47:23

a bit of an oof. I

47:26

would like to get him in a room with

47:28

Lady Gaga to explain some things. Yeah, Cardinal

47:31

Cera I think is a little

47:33

bit of a tough hang maybe.

47:35

But allegedly, he's a conceivable candidate.

47:38

So we'll just cross our fingers on one.

47:40

Not in my Vatican. OK.

47:42

It's not mine. I'm going to. But we

47:44

have to move on. Because now we

47:46

are at Cardinal Pierre Batista, Pizzabala.

47:50

Pizzabala. He knows why

47:52

he's a contender. We know

47:54

why he's a contender. Everyone

47:56

knows why he is popable. Because he

47:58

would be Pope Pizzabala. That's correct. And

48:00

would keep his name. Because one of

48:02

the funniest things about the popes is

48:04

that they get to choose a new

48:06

little name. I mean, for their popedom. He

48:09

should keep it, though. Oh,

48:11

absolutely. Or just

48:13

cut it, Pope Pizza. That

48:15

works like a chart. OK, more

48:17

seriously, he is a contender

48:19

because he, so he

48:21

is, if you did not guess this already,

48:23

he is Italian. But he

48:25

has been based in Jerusalem for a long

48:28

time. He is the Vatican's top official

48:30

for Middle East affairs. Obviously,

48:32

a place where, particularly

48:34

from the perspective of religious

48:36

institutions, there's some stuff to

48:38

work out. So he's had some relevant

48:40

work experience. However, he's very young.

48:43

He's 60. He became a cardinal in

48:45

2023. That

48:47

would be so long to be Pope Pizza.

48:50

It would be so long to be

48:52

Pope Pizza. Long time to be the

48:54

other. very young to be elected Pope

48:56

or voted Pope. Another thing I'll say

48:59

about Con Clay of the movie. I

49:01

know this sounds dumb. I know

49:03

it's like not knowing where space is. Didn't

49:05

expect it to be that much voting. Okay,

49:09

they did. They shot those voting

49:12

sequences. So much voting. You saw

49:14

so many men in their little hats

49:16

scratching at pieces of paper and

49:18

putting them into the urn. Sliding them

49:20

down that ribbon, announcing

49:22

it. Yeah. I mean,

49:24

they were always voting. They did

49:26

a lot of voting, but I think

49:28

that was sort of part of

49:30

the point. But as you said, So

49:33

Pope Pizzabala was Cardinal. I

49:35

can't stop calling them Popes. It's

49:37

like the secret. If you wish

49:39

it, it will come. If we

49:41

say Pope Pizza enough, he might

49:43

become Pope. Cardinal Pizzabala was my

49:45

last papal candidate that I wanted

49:47

to tell you about in terms

49:49

of the ones who are Cardinals.

49:51

And I believe that the Pope

49:53

has been a Cardinal for like

49:55

2 ,000 years. So it's probably

49:57

going to be one of those

49:59

guys. However, however, what did you

50:01

learn, Nora? Something that I learned

50:03

in my process of discovery of

50:05

all of this information about how

50:07

the conclave works and filling in

50:09

the gaps that were not already

50:12

filled by the movie conclave, famously

50:14

about a conclave, was that you

50:16

don't actually have to be a

50:18

cardinal to become pope. Technically, the

50:20

conclave could elect any baptized Catholic

50:22

male. And I do, if you

50:24

will allow me, have some suggestions.

50:26

Just because I think that this

50:28

conclave, for the reasons that we've

50:30

been discussing, is going to generate

50:32

more outside attention and investment than

50:34

the average conclave. And therefore, perhaps,

50:36

although I know that they're all

50:38

sealed and everything, perhaps somehow,

50:40

some way, there's an opportunity

50:42

for a real campaign for an

50:45

outsider. Mark Wahlberg. Nora,

50:47

you have started off with such a

50:49

bust. I don't even know what to

50:51

say. don't want Mark Wahlberg to be

50:53

Pope. That man is a deviant. Yeah,

50:56

probably. But he has that, like, I'm

50:58

going to put him with Richard Sarah. I

51:01

feel like to be Pope, you have to get

51:03

up really early in the morning. And we do

51:05

know that he does that. That

51:07

is an assumption that one

51:09

could make, something that Conclave

51:11

taught me. The funniest parts

51:13

about conclave are when they're

51:15

all in like their robes

51:17

and their fineries and everything

51:19

so like old fashioned. And

51:22

then they just like use an espresso machine.

51:25

So I know that they're accessing caffeine.

51:27

They might be getting up early.

51:29

I mean, I generally just think they're

51:31

old. So it is it's best

51:33

to, you know, kind of go and

51:35

rise with the sun. OK, it's

51:37

fine. It's fine. We won't make Mark

51:39

Wahlberg Pope. It's fine. It's a

51:41

no from me. What about former University

51:44

of Alabama head football coach Nick

51:46

Saban? Now this, you have

51:48

really redeemed yourself. Talk

51:50

about a leader and talk about

51:52

an accent that we need to get

51:54

in the Vatican. And

51:56

I genuinely believe he could

51:58

talk himself in there. A consensus

52:00

builder. Nick Saban. Someone

52:02

who knows

52:04

how to connect

52:06

with young

52:09

people. someone

52:11

who has a lot of

52:13

discipline, but also again, clearly has

52:15

the ability to forge connections

52:17

with people who are very different

52:19

from him. Someone who

52:21

is both not interested in

52:24

the trappings of fame,

52:26

but knows how to deal

52:28

with being very, very

52:30

well known and being a

52:32

public figure. I don't know, I

52:34

just think there might be something there. Someone who

52:36

also like wearing a branded little outfit.

52:38

He's fine with. I know that he'd be

52:40

happy to put that little hat on

52:42

too. I think the X -Aven would be Pope

52:44

if they asked him. So

52:46

here's one who I think might turn it down,

52:49

but I just want to throw him into the conversation.

52:51

Leo, Leonardo DiCaprio, raised

52:54

Catholic. Do you think

52:56

Leo can be Pope? I don't think he

52:58

can wear that hat. And a lot of

53:00

it lives or dies on that. You know

53:02

how I feel about his head? Because his

53:04

head is too round. It's really big and

53:06

round. It's big and round. And he would

53:08

have to stop dating 25 -year -old women. Yeah.

53:11

He would, well, depending on what he's coming

53:13

in with. If he wasn't, one of the

53:15

candidates was thinking about doing away with some

53:17

of the celibacy stuff. Yeah, that's

53:19

fair. How do

53:21

they feel about, like, yachting

53:23

with 20 -something models? Right.

53:25

Right. Now, pretty good. As

53:28

long as they're not women priests. But

53:30

he's already in Italy. He's

53:33

got, you know, easy access

53:35

to a Malfi. Here's another one

53:37

in the same vein, George Clooney.

53:39

Next question. Can we do co -popes?

53:43

Leo and George and

53:45

Clooney. Unstoppable.

53:48

You get Matt Damon and Ben

53:50

Affleck in there as conniving cardinals

53:52

just under him. Okay, hear me

53:54

out. Okay. Hear me out. Hear

53:56

me out with my next candidate.

53:58

We're cooking. Pierce Brosnan,

54:00

or Leo, George

54:03

Clooney, and Pierce Brosnan.

54:05

And there's somebody somewhere who's one

54:07

of their daughters, and she's just

54:09

learned and she has to figure

54:12

out which one it is. And

54:14

it's actually Mamma Mia. Okay,

54:16

so until the daughter, I thought

54:18

you were doing an Ocean's Eleven. but

54:21

actually what you were

54:23

doing was a Mamma Mia.

54:25

I was doing a

54:27

Mamma Mia, but I was

54:29

replacing Colin Firth and

54:31

whichever, Skarsgard with Leo and

54:33

George Clooney. Maybe we

54:35

could reunite the full cast of

54:37

Ocean's Eleven and just have a kind

54:40

of like a permanent conclave as

54:42

Pope, you know? I like

54:44

it. I like it, and I'm trying

54:46

to think of how he would

54:48

get to 11, because I will say

54:50

that I think that my last

54:52

suggestion for you, I don't think fits

54:54

into an Ocean's 11 scenario. I

54:56

just wouldn't trust him with any of

54:58

the jobs, and that's Mario Lopez. Oh,

55:01

yeah. Mario Lopez is a lone

55:03

wolf. Yeah. He's got

55:05

to You wouldn't trust him with any

55:08

of the jobs, but what about the

55:10

acrobatics? I think he could do the

55:12

acrobatics in Ocean's 11. I

55:14

do not think he could be

55:16

Pope. OK. All right.

55:18

Well, so we were maybe on

55:20

something with Nick Saban, or I

55:22

kind of like Brosnan as Pope.

55:25

Oh, I like Brosnan a lot because

55:27

I think, you know, to

55:29

be clear, Conclave is not the only

55:31

Pope content we've had recently. We

55:33

also had young Pope. We also had

55:35

the two Popes. And I think what young

55:37

pope taught us is that there is

55:39

a lot to be taken from having a

55:41

hot pope. And from

55:43

the list given, I think

55:46

Pierce Brosnan is our best

55:48

option for a hot pope. Lewis

55:50

Taglay from the Philippines is our

55:52

second best option for a hot

55:54

pope. And that's just my own

55:56

personal take. I'll even pick

55:59

Cardinal Taglay as my number one.

56:01

Then it's Pierce Brosnan, and then

56:03

it's Bernie Sanders' pope. That's my

56:05

order. Dead

56:07

Last is Robert Sarah.

56:09

It's Robert Sarah. Keep him

56:11

out of there. I don't want any surprises. Here's

56:15

the list. It's Cardinal

56:17

Tagli. Then it's Pierce Brosnan.

56:19

Then it's Bernie Sanders Pope. Then

56:22

it's Cardinal Pizzabala because we

56:24

just have to have him in

56:26

the mix. I would like

56:28

to reintroduce the idea of co

56:30

-pilots Leo and Clooney. Then it's

56:32

co -popes Leo and Clooney. And

56:34

then it's the dot, dot, dot, dot,

56:36

dot, dot, dot forever. And then it's Cardinal

56:38

Sarah. And then it's Sarah, why

56:40

don't you go over and sit wherever JD

56:42

Vance is sitting to see what you guys

56:45

can break next. Yeah. And

56:47

those are our popes. You

56:49

came here for the pop content

56:52

and you got it. And we did

56:54

not disappoint. It's important because

56:56

I'm telling you what, this is not

56:58

going off the internet anytime soon. No,

57:00

this is an ongoing story and we

57:02

will keep you updated. We haven't even

57:04

talked about the smoke yet. I mean,

57:06

we got a lot to look out

57:08

for visually. These cardinals

57:10

are going to be

57:12

swarming the Vatican before Conclave

57:14

and before the movie

57:16

Conclave and before this whole

57:19

Conclave. Whatever we were doing.

57:21

was the only thing that I knew about

57:23

it. Everybody knows about the smoke. And that

57:25

was it. But now we know so much.

57:27

Thanks, as we've said, to the movie Conclave. Thank

57:29

you so much to Conclave for teaching me

57:31

what a pope door mess. There's

57:33

also Nora, I have translated

57:35

so many tweets this week, like,

57:37

from Italian, from

57:39

all kinds of languages to learn,

57:41

because, like, we're giving a

57:43

real brisk overview. If there's interest,

57:46

maybe we can get into

57:48

some of the more dramatic elements,

57:50

like, apparently, people

57:52

are bringing out...

57:55

out of storage that like

57:57

Pope Francis had had

57:59

put away and and that

58:01

means something it's like

58:04

we're indicating we want a

58:06

non Francis like Pope

58:08

Steve Kornackie is doing geographic

58:10

compositions of the call

58:12

I dropped it in the

58:14

chat of the College

58:16

of Cardinal electors of how

58:18

it's changed our national

58:20

political correspondent and beloved glasses

58:22

where Steve Kornacki has

58:24

been conclave -pilled. A

58:27

lot of the best content

58:29

is in Italian. There

58:31

are some very clear parallels.

58:34

There is a cardinal who was

58:36

literally dismissed for the same financial

58:38

crimes that John Lithgow did in

58:40

Conclave, and he's still trying to

58:42

show up to be Pope. And

58:45

he probably can. I mean, there

58:47

are so many rules, but it

58:49

also seems a little freewheeling, frankly. Yeah,

58:52

it does seem, you know, they're more like

58:54

guidelines. Which if I've learned anything here today, it's

58:56

that he can. What

58:58

is guiding us other

59:00

than just gorgeous jaw lines?

59:03

And what else should guide us? And

59:05

what else should guide us? Well,

59:07

the other thing. But to me, it

59:09

is very funny that all of this

59:11

stuff was happening in conjunction and

59:13

around Easter. On Easter weekend,

59:16

the biggest movie, certainly of the

59:18

year thus far, and the most

59:20

readily agreed upon, we're obsessed with

59:22

this movie to come out in

59:24

a very long time, Ryan

59:27

Coogler's Sinners. LOL,

59:29

Ryan, putting this out on

59:31

Easter. This

59:34

movie came out nationwide,

59:36

typically, on kind of like...

59:38

night slash Friday morning. By

59:40

Friday afternoon, I already

59:43

felt so left behind. Everyone

59:45

had seen this movie

59:47

in IMAX, was obsessed,

59:50

was like, this, I love this

59:52

movie. It's so good. Every performance

59:55

is amazing. Every person is

59:57

beautiful. Every woman is getting

59:59

eaten out constantly. You're gonna

1:00:01

love this movie. And I was like, when are

1:00:03

people seeing this? It swept that feeling

1:00:05

all the time. I have

1:00:07

so much respect for people who see

1:00:09

movies immediately. So I have

1:00:11

now seen it. I did not

1:00:13

see it Friday. And I respect

1:00:15

you for it. Thank you. I got

1:00:17

my ass to the theater, Nora.

1:00:20

I had a sort of unexpected several

1:00:22

glasses of wine dinner and very

1:00:24

well could have missed the last showtime.

1:00:26

And I said, no, I got

1:00:28

to get my eyes. on

1:00:30

all of this. I did not

1:00:32

have any of the amazing film

1:00:34

options that have been presented to

1:00:36

me by Ryan Coogler. I think

1:00:38

that one of the things that,

1:00:41

I mean, this movie was going to be huge no matter what.

1:00:44

Ryan Coogler is incredibly talented. The

1:00:46

performances are amazing. The story is

1:00:49

so fun. It is deeply unique

1:00:51

and authentic. And I'll get into

1:00:53

it a little more, but different

1:00:55

just than anything. It's just like

1:00:57

what you want. It is what...

1:00:59

want at the movies. It

1:01:02

was also filmed on film, several

1:01:04

different kinds of films sort of.

1:01:06

And Ryan Coogler, ahead of the release,

1:01:09

put out this video

1:01:11

in conjunction with

1:01:13

Kodak about the different

1:01:16

kinds of film. I

1:01:18

think it was popular for a couple of reasons, but

1:01:20

if I may be so shallow, Ryan

1:01:22

Coogler is extremely handsome and

1:01:24

he has made even more

1:01:26

handsome by the mustache that

1:01:28

he is sporting right now

1:01:30

for the center's publicity. He

1:01:33

also has an incredibly

1:01:35

charming and endearing Oakland

1:01:37

accent, which is such

1:01:39

a unique accent. I

1:01:41

know nothing about film and I

1:01:43

honestly seek to know nothing about film.

1:01:46

Like it's just not my area. I

1:01:48

love, I just loved watching this

1:01:50

video. Even if you know nothing about

1:01:52

film and don't aspire to know

1:01:55

anything about film, which I share, he

1:01:57

does have the vibe of someone who's

1:01:59

just nerding out about a thing that

1:02:01

he loves while looking incredibly handsome. And

1:02:04

that works every time. He's

1:02:06

so happy to be telling you

1:02:08

about it. That's what comes

1:02:11

through is that he loves this

1:02:13

and that. comes through in

1:02:15

the movie too. This

1:02:17

is a story that he wants

1:02:19

to tell. This is the

1:02:21

way he wants to tell it.

1:02:23

He is very compelled to

1:02:25

do so. And that extreme intentionality

1:02:27

and confidence and like steady

1:02:29

hand just makes, I feel like

1:02:32

Harry Styles, I'm like, this

1:02:34

is a movie that feels like

1:02:36

a movie. movie feels like

1:02:38

a movie. So, unfortunately, I cannot

1:02:40

watch a horror movie, so

1:02:42

I don't think that I'm going

1:02:44

to see this movie. And

1:02:46

that makes me sad because from

1:02:48

everything that I've read and absorbed,

1:02:51

it's phenomenally well made. And I

1:02:53

think I'm going to compensate for

1:02:55

that by just like voraciously consuming

1:02:57

every bit of Sinner's promotional content.

1:03:01

discourse about the movie without actually experiencing it for

1:03:03

myself because I tried to get up the

1:03:05

nerve to be like, no, no, this is going

1:03:07

to be like one of the biggest movies

1:03:10

of the year. I'm going to see it. And

1:03:12

I went back and rewatched the trailer. And

1:03:14

there were two instances

1:03:17

where someone who's very bloody

1:03:19

is because I had

1:03:21

the subtitles were on in

1:03:23

the trailer, and it

1:03:25

just said in brackets, squelching.

1:03:29

Yeah, there's a lot of squalching. And I was like,

1:03:31

oh, no, no, no. It's not for

1:03:33

me. I'm going to have to sit this one out,

1:03:35

gang. I don't want to push you

1:03:38

too hard because I do want you to be

1:03:40

Pope. And that's going to take

1:03:42

a lot of energy for you to work your

1:03:44

way up the Pope ladder in the next

1:03:46

two weeks. Especially if I'm going to have to

1:03:48

fight with Pierce Brosnan to do it. Well,

1:03:50

I'll be a woman. You brought him into this,

1:03:52

not me. And I can take him out.

1:03:54

And you can. You're the only one who can

1:03:56

do it, who can take him out. I

1:03:59

do want to see you be popin' so you

1:04:01

need to reserve your energy and you're sick.

1:04:03

I don't want to push you too hard. But

1:04:05

there are two things to know about this

1:04:07

movie. One is that

1:04:09

it is a vampire musical. It

1:04:12

is very much about

1:04:14

vampires. And that is

1:04:16

Jody Coded. There

1:04:18

we go. There it is. It

1:04:21

is a vampire musical, which does

1:04:23

make me think about Jason Segal in

1:04:25

Forgetting Sarah Marshall, but it's not

1:04:27

that kind of vampire musical. It has

1:04:29

incredible music in it. It also

1:04:31

has incredible vampire lore. I mean, it's

1:04:33

like, it's definitely

1:04:35

one of my favorite

1:04:38

modern vampire movies. It

1:04:40

goes, this has been talked about elsewhere on

1:04:42

the ringer network as well, but it, I

1:04:44

mean, I know we got Buffy fans listening

1:04:47

to this podcast. It goes, all in on

1:04:49

the rules. And this is what

1:04:51

I'm saying about popes. And this is what I'm

1:04:53

saying about masked singer. I just want

1:04:55

to understand the rules a little better and see

1:04:57

them be enforced. And this has

1:04:59

all the classic vampire rules. Have to

1:05:01

be invited in. Silver hurts them. Wooden

1:05:03

stakes through the heart. Garlic repellent. Can't

1:05:05

be in the sun. Like all the

1:05:07

hits. And they play out in all

1:05:09

these different ways. But the other thing

1:05:12

is that And this is why I

1:05:14

feel sad that you wouldn't see it,

1:05:16

is that this is very much a

1:05:18

movie about the blues. Like,

1:05:20

it is a wonderful movie

1:05:22

about music, and the

1:05:24

music in it is so

1:05:26

wonderful. And my absolute...

1:05:29

I went into this movie

1:05:31

knowing who I was

1:05:33

obsessed with. Michael B. Jordan's

1:05:35

been on my shit list a little

1:05:37

bit lately with some articles that he's

1:05:39

put out in Variety, but... loved him

1:05:41

since Friday Night Lights. I just saw

1:05:43

a parenthood clip with him in it,

1:05:45

and boy, did it take me back.

1:05:48

I've loved him for so long. He's

1:05:50

great in this. Hailey

1:05:52

Steinfeld? One of my

1:05:54

faves. Cool for her

1:05:56

to have a role where

1:05:59

people are lauding her as

1:06:01

a capital A actor. I'm

1:06:03

so happy for her because I

1:06:05

think she's so talented. I mean,

1:06:07

never forget that she got her

1:06:09

start in true grit. Oscar -nominated,

1:06:11

yeah, her ficked gap between her

1:06:13

teeth. I mean, she's a great,

1:06:15

I just marvel at her. She's

1:06:17

a great actor. She's an

1:06:20

incredible pop princess. She's

1:06:22

gorgeous. She dates

1:06:24

an, or she is engaged to this

1:06:26

athlete. She's really good in this

1:06:28

movie. I just like, I knew from

1:06:30

everything I'd seen on the internet,

1:06:33

those things that like, Hailey Steinfeld is

1:06:35

wild in this. She has some

1:06:37

absolutely wild. She's like kind

1:06:39

of the most outrageous part of it

1:06:41

and you're not expecting it. So it's

1:06:43

even more outrageous. But there was so

1:06:45

much that even with how much people

1:06:47

have been talking about this movie, I

1:06:50

did not expect. Like there is just

1:06:52

an incredible musical scene that I guess

1:06:54

could be like a smidge controversial that

1:06:56

just takes you away. What if you

1:06:58

watched the first 40 minutes? I

1:07:00

could probably do that or hear

1:07:02

me out. You could

1:07:05

watch cinners like four or five times

1:07:07

to develop the type of beat for

1:07:09

beat sort of fluency with the movie

1:07:11

and what's going to come next. This

1:07:13

is what my fiance had to do

1:07:15

for me to get through Game of

1:07:17

Thrones, by the way. And

1:07:19

then you could watch it with me and tell

1:07:21

me every time that I'm going to need

1:07:23

to look away, at which point I will leave

1:07:26

the room. I'd do anything for

1:07:28

my pope, Nora. All

1:07:30

right, well, we can talk about this more offline,

1:07:32

but we might have something to work with here. I

1:07:34

didn't mean to say I do support

1:07:36

Haley Seinfeld. I do support, well, you

1:07:38

know, it's touch and go, as you

1:07:40

mentioned. However, I do appreciate both the

1:07:43

visage and the body of work of

1:07:45

one Michael B. Jordan. I also have

1:07:47

to bring up two things. One, Michael

1:07:49

B. Jordan placed twins in this movie,

1:07:51

which you noted in our outline, is

1:07:53

an incredibly important thing for a movie

1:07:55

star to do. Do you want

1:07:57

to speak on that? And it's actually

1:07:59

Sasha that noted that in the outline,

1:08:01

but I completely agree. My first note

1:08:03

in my little notes, you know, I

1:08:05

could take notes when I'm watching a

1:08:07

movie conceivably for work. My

1:08:09

first note is the eternal

1:08:12

appeal of parent trapping, like

1:08:14

the eternal appeal of one

1:08:16

person playing twins. And it's

1:08:18

not always a hit, but

1:08:20

it's always appealing, and it's

1:08:22

so good here. Like, he's

1:08:24

so good. It's so seamless.

1:08:27

Ryan Coogler kind of color codes them,

1:08:29

like one's in a blue hat, one's

1:08:31

in a red hat. It makes perfect

1:08:33

sense for their personalities, and that sounds

1:08:35

kind of silly, but it works really

1:08:37

well. That's one thing

1:08:39

I love is One Person

1:08:42

Twins. Another thing I

1:08:44

love is an introducing credit.

1:08:48

Third billing on the

1:08:50

credits is Miles

1:08:52

Catten, C -A -T -O -N,

1:08:54

and it's an introducing Miles Catten.

1:08:57

This is his first feature

1:08:59

film. He is the real

1:09:01

musical heart, and in many

1:09:03

ways, the protagonist. He's incredible. As

1:09:06

well as speaking voice, the voice that comes

1:09:08

out of this young man, and he really has

1:09:11

to carry the movie, he's so good. Jack

1:09:13

O 'Connell. an Irish

1:09:15

actor is like, he is kind

1:09:18

of, he's great in it.

1:09:20

I don't want to give too

1:09:22

much away. But further proof that

1:09:24

like original skins UK cast, you'll

1:09:26

always be famous. I mean, star

1:09:28

after star after star. And

1:09:30

this is such a star role

1:09:32

for Jack O 'Connell. I mean,

1:09:34

obviously I loved it. It just

1:09:36

like, it feels so good to

1:09:38

see a good movie. It's so

1:09:41

exciting. That's fabulous. I'm really happy for

1:09:43

you. I'm not trying to rub it in your

1:09:45

face. I think that you can

1:09:47

handle it. I'm living my truth here. But

1:09:50

I do, and I want

1:09:52

to experience the movie in every way

1:09:54

possible. So I actually appreciate you

1:09:56

saying that. And I'm just, I'm very

1:09:58

happy for everyone involved in Sinners. I'm

1:10:01

just, I'm so thankful

1:10:03

to Ryan Coogler, this gorgeous,

1:10:05

mustachioed man. And I'm so

1:10:07

thankful to the internet

1:10:09

because the Although, I guess

1:10:11

there have been some twists and turns. There's

1:10:13

always the backlash to the backlash. I

1:10:15

mean, nobody saying, everybody saying this movie is

1:10:17

great, but there's a lot of, there's

1:10:19

a lot of letterboxing happening, but it's also

1:10:21

just really, it's just been really fun

1:10:23

to see people get excited about this. Love

1:10:26

it. We're having a good time.

1:10:28

Nora, what have you personally been

1:10:30

obsessed with this week? I already noted it.

1:10:34

This is actually not something that

1:10:36

I've been just personally obsessed with

1:10:38

this week. This is a long,

1:10:40

this is a long -standing obsession. But

1:10:43

I feel the need to bring

1:10:45

it up now because I'm speaking

1:10:47

of the Meredith dairy, marinated sheep

1:10:49

and goat cheese, which for a

1:10:51

couple of years, for the last

1:10:53

couple of years, since I first

1:10:56

saw this delectable treat in my

1:10:58

mother -in -law to bees refrigerator, I

1:11:00

have felt that this

1:11:03

was a specialty store

1:11:05

product that is fantastic

1:11:07

and I would recommend it

1:11:09

to anyone that I

1:11:11

came across and I would

1:11:13

be surprised to see

1:11:16

it out in the wild

1:11:18

in any other context. And

1:11:21

more and more recently, I've

1:11:23

seen the Meredith Dairy marinated sheep and

1:11:25

goat cheese, which I should just say

1:11:27

is the best cheese. It's so

1:11:29

good. It is so, so good.

1:11:31

It is these like cubes of,

1:11:34

it's funny. I always think of it

1:11:36

as goat cheese, but I think they

1:11:38

actually do describe it as a feta,

1:11:40

but it's very spreadable and it doesn't

1:11:42

have, and I like a feta and

1:11:44

I like a chef goat cheese, but

1:11:47

it doesn't have quite as much of

1:11:49

the tang that you normally get in

1:11:51

feta or - Well, it's sheep cheese too,

1:11:54

right? Because feta is sheep cheese, right? And

1:11:56

this is sheep and goat. Yeah.

1:11:58

It's combined. I think that's what texturally

1:12:00

and flavor makes it different. But

1:12:03

I also think the fact that it's just

1:12:05

sitting and hanging out in the oil just

1:12:07

takes a little bit of the tang out

1:12:09

of it. And I also think that it

1:12:11

has a nice saltiness to it, maybe from

1:12:13

the sheep because it has a little bit

1:12:15

more of that feta component. Anyway,

1:12:17

they throw some sprigs

1:12:19

of herbs in there. There's

1:12:21

some whole peppercorns. There's

1:12:23

just this beautiful golden bath that

1:12:25

it sits in in its little jar.

1:12:27

It is so easy to make

1:12:30

a cheese board look instantly put together

1:12:32

if you just toss one of

1:12:34

those things in the middle. It's

1:12:36

not, I will say, when I first

1:12:38

encountered this cheese within the context of

1:12:40

my mother -in -law -to -be's kitchen, I was

1:12:42

like, this is really good, but this

1:12:44

is gonna be some $25 cheese. And

1:12:46

it's not. It's like $12 for a

1:12:48

jar, which is not, you know, that's

1:12:50

not a cheap cheese. Cheap cheese? Cheap

1:12:52

cheese? like $18 for a jar? No.

1:12:55

Oh, Jodi, you can get this

1:12:57

cheese for less than that. No.

1:12:59

So like 12 to 14 is

1:13:01

definitely the going rate that I've

1:13:03

experienced. I have been noticing it

1:13:05

more and more out in the

1:13:07

world, including I've seen a couple

1:13:10

of posts. I saw

1:13:12

that Meredith Derry made a reel

1:13:14

of like how they, you know,

1:13:16

it's on its little conveyor belt

1:13:18

and it's assembly line and they're

1:13:20

putting in the oil and, you

1:13:22

know, whatever. I

1:13:24

wouldn't say that it went viral, but

1:13:27

it had a fair number of views. And

1:13:29

then the comments were just like, this

1:13:31

is the best cheese. I love this cheese

1:13:33

so much. And then when I brought

1:13:35

it up in our meeting, I wasn't sure

1:13:37

if I was going to get any

1:13:39

response. And then everybody was like, I fucking

1:13:41

love that cheese. And so this

1:13:43

is my call out. I need to know,

1:13:46

is everybody eating this cheese that I thought

1:13:48

was like a niche product? Are

1:13:50

we just all spreading Meredith dairy?

1:13:52

sheep and goat cheese cubes on

1:13:55

our crackers and mixing the

1:13:57

oil into our salad dressing and

1:13:59

tossing the cubes into our

1:14:01

salads, which as producer Sasha said,

1:14:03

instantly makes a salad. Yeah,

1:14:06

I want to try that. Well,

1:14:08

Nora, can I tell you this? Please. I

1:14:11

was not surprised to find

1:14:13

Meredith Dairy marinated sheep and

1:14:15

goat cheese on the outline

1:14:17

from you today. Because

1:14:19

several weeks ago, I

1:14:21

was scrolling Instagram reels and

1:14:23

I thought, why am

1:14:25

I getting a cheese reel?

1:14:28

And then right there floating in

1:14:30

a bubble was your face because

1:14:32

you had liked the cheese reel, which

1:14:35

had put it into my

1:14:37

feed. And I

1:14:39

thought. Why is Nora liking

1:14:41

cheese reels? Because I felt so

1:14:43

seen by it. And I thought

1:14:46

she just must be a really

1:14:48

big fan. But what I took

1:14:50

it to mean was not that

1:14:52

you were a fan of this

1:14:54

cheese, but a general supportive of

1:14:56

Meredith Dairy, which you very well

1:14:58

could be and are. Well,

1:15:00

but I've never had another product by then.

1:15:02

I thought you were going to say

1:15:04

that you took it to mean that

1:15:06

I'm seriously on cheese talk. And I'm

1:15:08

just like rollin' around liking videos of cheese.

1:15:10

that. I do think that. I think

1:15:13

everyone thinks that and knows that. I

1:15:15

mean, I love cheese. Like, I do love

1:15:17

cheese. I done. It also, it was

1:15:19

so, I mean, thinking back on that

1:15:21

now that, like, I was not surprised to

1:15:23

see this, I already know that you

1:15:25

like this cheese because if you like

1:15:27

this real, you must really like this

1:15:29

cheese. I really, it was such a, the

1:15:32

fact that I saw that real is why

1:15:34

this is, why I felt the need to

1:15:36

bring this up on the mod. Because it

1:15:38

was like this brain blast moment where I

1:15:40

was like, wait, is everybody else obsessed with

1:15:42

this too? I thought it was just me.

1:15:44

We're going to have to wait and find

1:15:46

out. I think I'm about to become more

1:15:49

obsessed with it because you've told me that

1:15:51

it's cheaper than I thought. Please email us.

1:15:53

And I think you can get it. Sasha

1:15:55

said you can get it

1:15:58

at Costco. Yeah. And I think

1:16:00

I also saw Wishbone Kitchen

1:16:02

recently, I believe, loading

1:16:04

up. a Costco like palette of

1:16:06

them in some piece of content.

1:16:08

It's possible that I'm sort of

1:16:10

like sandwiching two things that I

1:16:12

saw together. However, I do believe

1:16:14

that that is true. Email

1:16:16

us at weareobsessedpod at gmail .com.

1:16:18

If you are eating the

1:16:20

Meredith dairy marinated sheep and goat

1:16:22

cheese, please tell me. Please

1:16:25

email us. I would also

1:16:27

like to know if there are

1:16:29

other good jarred marinated sheep

1:16:31

and goat cheeses. on the market.

1:16:33

I haven't seen them with

1:16:35

my eyes, but I'd like to

1:16:38

have options. Look, I

1:16:40

love the Meredith Dairy. I

1:16:42

am an evangelist, but I

1:16:44

am not above upgrading if

1:16:46

there are ways to do

1:16:48

it. Please give us your

1:16:50

cheese obsessions, your cheese observations.

1:16:52

And also, if you've seen Nora

1:16:55

like any other funny reels on

1:16:57

Instagram, I do at some point

1:16:59

want to Being alive is mortifying.

1:17:01

It is. I want to talk

1:17:03

at some point about what Instagram

1:17:05

is doing with the like, this

1:17:07

is what your friends they got

1:17:09

to be stopped. I know it's

1:17:11

not like a completely new concept,

1:17:13

but it is changing the way

1:17:15

I am consuming content and the

1:17:18

way I'm consuming my friends and

1:17:20

podcast co -hosts. Wow. Nothing

1:17:22

but positive, Nora. I was thrilled

1:17:24

to see you liking cheese reels

1:17:26

on Instagram. I mean, that one

1:17:28

I stand by. Of course. No,

1:17:30

but that's the thing. You really have to stand by

1:17:32

your likes now. Like, they're on

1:17:34

your personal archives, right? People can't

1:17:36

see what I'm saving. That

1:17:39

sounded ominous. What

1:17:41

are you saving? What just

1:17:43

food items are you saving? It's

1:17:45

just, no, it's not. It would all

1:17:47

be like... like saving a bunch of

1:17:49

beef jerky meals. No, it

1:17:51

would all be like interior design

1:17:53

inspo, but it would be of

1:17:55

the variety that would make me

1:17:57

seem so delusional. When I die,

1:17:59

I want two things to not

1:18:01

be accessible. My notes app

1:18:03

and my bookmarks on any social media,

1:18:06

those are not for public consumption

1:18:08

or private consumption that is not just

1:18:10

me. Look

1:18:12

at this alone in a dark room.

1:18:14

Those are not for the light. will

1:18:17

be for public consumption is,

1:18:19

of course, the most jody

1:18:21

-core thing that's happened in

1:18:24

a full episode about popes.

1:18:26

And that is that I

1:18:28

saw a little tweet and

1:18:30

then very kindly sent it

1:18:32

by my We're Obsessed compatriots

1:18:34

here. This week that

1:18:36

said, Lena Dunham and

1:18:38

Carly Rae Jepsen are bringing

1:18:40

a musical adaptation of

1:18:42

the 1999 Romcom, 10 Things

1:18:45

I Hate About You, to

1:18:47

Broadway, Jepsen is

1:18:49

co -writing the music. I'm

1:18:53

breathless, sold. What

1:18:55

I need to know is how

1:18:57

far into those sentences did you

1:18:59

need to get before you were

1:19:01

just all in? So

1:19:03

when we get to Lena Dunham

1:19:05

and Carly Rae Jepsen. That's correct. For

1:19:07

me, Carly Rae Jepsen

1:19:09

is what takes me over the

1:19:12

edge, one of the greatest

1:19:14

pop artists of our time. completely

1:19:16

capable of writing the music

1:19:18

for a musical, I believe, especially

1:19:20

for 10 Things I Hate

1:19:22

About You. Lena

1:19:24

Dunham has been back

1:19:26

in the conversation with

1:19:28

everyone, really recognizing how

1:19:31

great girls is. And

1:19:34

I'm a leaving room that this

1:19:36

could go poorly. I'm not

1:19:38

saying, because for me, 10 Things

1:19:40

I Hate About You is such

1:19:42

a beloved. Of course.

1:19:45

Romcom and, you know, it's already

1:19:47

a remake of a remake

1:19:49

and it's been remade and like

1:19:51

we're just doing Shakespeare and

1:19:53

lots of different fonts. But I'm

1:19:55

excited. Do we know when this is

1:19:58

happening? Like how long we're going to have to wait

1:20:00

for this? Because I want to see this tomorrow. I know.

1:20:02

I think that it's going to be a while. It's

1:20:06

got, you know, it

1:20:08

doesn't sound that it's been

1:20:10

written. It's just. in talks,

1:20:12

and it's just somebody went to a

1:20:14

meeting and said, hey, what if we have

1:20:16

Lena Dunham and Carly Rae Jepsen bring

1:20:18

a musical adaptation of the 1999 rom -com

1:20:20

10 Things I Hate About You to Broadway.

1:20:22

creator of The Masked Singer. And

1:20:27

evil. It always comes

1:20:29

back. And we're

1:20:31

back. I'm excited. It's simple.

1:20:33

In a week where I have

1:20:35

been Likewise, obsessed

1:20:37

with watching TikToks of

1:20:39

the Boston Marathon and

1:20:41

just weeping, I needed

1:20:44

this kind of news. So

1:20:46

I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled

1:20:48

to get cheese content in the inbox. Oh,

1:20:50

I also want to say before we

1:20:52

wrap up, I put a call

1:20:54

out for this on Instagram, but

1:20:56

I'm going to mention it here as

1:20:58

well. I am sort

1:21:01

of for a piece

1:21:03

I'm writing, seeking out

1:21:05

stories and reminiscing and

1:21:07

nostalgia from millennials about

1:21:10

the dead millennial tech

1:21:12

that we have loved

1:21:14

and lost in our

1:21:16

lifetime before everything got

1:21:18

kind of distilled down

1:21:21

into just an iPhone.

1:21:23

So these would be

1:21:26

things like AIM, chat,

1:21:29

MySpace. back when we

1:21:32

used to have, you know, garments mounted

1:21:34

in our cars, all of

1:21:36

the, like, individual little pieces

1:21:38

of tech that have died

1:21:40

out because now they exist

1:21:42

just right there in our

1:21:44

smartphones. If anyone has

1:21:46

any, like, particularly funny stories

1:21:48

about old tech, Neopets,

1:21:51

Tamagotchis, I was literally going to ask

1:21:53

you if Neopets counted. Oh, Neopets

1:21:55

have come up a lot. Feel

1:21:58

free to reach out to me. Furby

1:22:00

is a technology. If you try hard enough.

1:22:02

There's a little motor to it. enough

1:22:04

to raise a Furby. I

1:22:07

realize the Furby is kind of the aesthetic

1:22:09

inspiration for a lot of the costumes on

1:22:11

The Masked Singer. If you

1:22:13

really think about it. That's so

1:22:15

true. And I realized today in talking

1:22:17

to someone about Neopets that so

1:22:19

much like millennial tech when we were

1:22:21

young and the internet was first

1:22:23

coming out and I don't know tech

1:22:25

was advancing was like teaching us

1:22:27

how to raise things. And

1:22:29

now everyone's like, millennials don't want to

1:22:31

have kids. It's like, yeah, I've been raising

1:22:33

neopets for decades. Yeah, you guys are

1:22:35

making us exhausted. We

1:22:38

were all playing Farmville and all of

1:22:40

our crops were dying because we weren't watering

1:22:42

them enough. You

1:22:45

can check out my Instagram highlights

1:22:47

if you want a few more

1:22:49

details about this. And please feel

1:22:51

free to DM me on Instagram

1:22:53

if you have any fun stories

1:22:55

about tech that you feel like

1:22:57

defines the millennial generation or reach

1:22:59

out to me in the inbox.

1:23:01

We're ObsessPod at gmail .com. We

1:23:03

will try to look for those in

1:23:05

between the cheese emails. Yeah, don't forget

1:23:07

about the cheese, though. Just don't

1:23:09

forget about the cheese. Also, let us know your

1:23:11

Pope thoughts. You guys, thank you for listening. Thank

1:23:14

you, Sasha. Thank

1:23:16

you, Nora. Thank you to the We're

1:23:19

Obsessed head cold for getting us in this

1:23:21

particular space. And we will see you back

1:23:23

here next week on We're Obsessed. Bye.