0:00

If you listen to

0:02

this broadcast, we're

0:04

already dead. Do

0:06

something a little

0:08

different. Whomp. Yeah,

0:10

right. If you listen

0:13

to this broadcast, we're

0:15

already dead. Probably. I mean,

0:17

I'm dead inside. I'll tell you

0:20

that much. Gotted. Yeah, I mean,

0:22

seriously. You probably saw the title

0:24

of this and saw that it

0:27

was a bonus episode and the

0:29

name is probably something like Feene

0:31

or the end or something along

0:33

those lines. And it's abnormally short.

0:36

Yeah, I don't know where this

0:38

is going to end up. This

0:40

is probably going to be a

0:42

little more meandering than I'd want

0:45

to, but also shorter than a

0:47

regular episode. But CLDR, it's been

0:49

apparent for a long time. Even in

0:51

the early days of the show, there's a big...

0:54

value mismatch within the cast

0:56

and that's typically not a

0:58

problem, right? Generally, we're all

1:00

amenable to each other and that's kind

1:02

of always been the case. And

1:05

anything from any of us that's

1:07

a little bit out of pocket,

1:09

I would generally just edit out, you

1:11

know, not there, no harm, no foul.

1:13

Because I'm sure there's stuff that

1:15

happens at your tables that

1:17

you'd be embarrassed of other people

1:20

hearing, right? And I kind of

1:22

let it go recently and we

1:24

all know the whole thing with

1:26

my racist show that became a

1:29

big deal on a credit

1:31

post and, you know, brought that

1:33

to my attention. Christian

1:35

did his best to try

1:37

to assuage some fears from

1:39

people and I commend him

1:42

for those efforts, but it

1:44

kind of put it front and

1:46

center based on how that

1:49

went and how we kind

1:51

of handled the discussion internally,

1:53

that there was too much of

1:55

a mismatch between the entirety

1:57

of the cast in values.

2:00

be able to continue to move

2:02

the show forward in good conscience.

2:04

And we kind of, not really

2:06

collectively, but I think we individually

2:08

determine that it had kind of

2:10

run its course and that kind

2:13

of the passion for the show

2:15

had gotten sucked out of us

2:17

because of this thing. Because it

2:19

was a big deal internally. Like

2:21

I think we talked for like

2:23

an hour and a half. a

2:26

couple days after this happened instead

2:28

of recording. And there was some

2:30

high emotions and some voices raised

2:32

and tempers flared and, you know,

2:34

we still kind of want to,

2:36

I guess, be friends. So in

2:38

order to not let those things

2:41

fester, we kind of decided to

2:43

put an end to it, which

2:45

sucks. Because when that decision was

2:47

made, it hit me so hard,

2:49

y'all I took most of the

2:51

day off of work. Like, I

2:54

am absolutely gutted right now. This

2:56

is something I've put three years

2:58

of my life, hundreds and hundreds

3:00

of hours, and recording and post-production,

3:02

promoting, meeting people, you know, talking

3:04

to people in the discord, meeting

3:06

people in person, going to GenCon,

3:09

like, 2020, I'd never rolled a

3:11

D20 in my damn life, like,

3:13

not once, and now a year,

3:15

here. We have a 150 episode

3:17

show, several hundred listeners a week,

3:19

you know, a decent Patreon, and

3:21

now just to pull the plug

3:24

on this show, really sucks. It's

3:26

always nice to finish something you

3:28

start, but it doesn't look like

3:30

it's something that I'm going to

3:32

be able to finish. So today

3:34

I've got Jake and Micah, which,

3:37

I mean, honestly, as far as

3:39

the remainder of the cast is

3:41

concerned, they are the only other

3:43

two that are original to this.

3:45

Like this whole thing was started.

3:47

really so me and Jake can

3:49

reconnect to one another. You know,

3:52

Jake and I are 10 years

3:54

apart in age and... He was

3:56

going through a lot of tough

3:58

stuff at the time, and we

4:00

were kind of reconnecting with one

4:02

of each other just talking about

4:04

tabletop RPGs. I had never played

4:07

one. He was telling me about

4:09

games. He was playing with Pathfinder.

4:11

Got me really interested. Tried to

4:13

convince him to run a game

4:15

so I could play it, and

4:17

he's a little bitch, so he

4:20

didn't do it. So then I

4:22

started rides, the Roon Lords. We

4:24

had way too many people. We

4:26

brought Mica in after a fantastic

4:28

inquisitor. who was freaking bad ass.

4:30

And then we decided to make

4:32

the show, you know, me and

4:35

me and Todd primarily decided, let's

4:37

do this and drug Jake and

4:39

Michael along with us. And Raymond,

4:41

who, you know, everybody loves him.

4:43

God rest his soul. God rest

4:45

his soul. Really shame what happened

4:48

to him. Living it up and

4:50

yeah, when he got hit by

4:52

a car and fucking died. The

4:54

first week, the show came out.

4:56

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've been

4:58

doing his voice. And the many

5:00

of you have ever seen him

5:03

perform live that wasn't there. The

5:05

GPU shortage was actually me making

5:07

a big AI cluster to do

5:09

a deep fake of Raymond for

5:11

two and a half years. We

5:13

will be patting that technology by

5:15

the way. We will. So that's

5:18

actually a lot of shows ending.

5:20

We don't need to work anymore

5:22

and it's time to pursue our

5:24

dreams doing anything. We're releasing Montoya

5:26

Corps 3.0. And it's gonna be

5:28

a smashing success in the entertainment.

5:31

It will kill your father. Hopefully,

5:33

he'll die laughing. Just like that

5:35

lady in the nursing home. But

5:37

you know what? This isn't all

5:39

doom and gloom. The three of

5:41

us are still here. We still

5:43

have podcast equipment. I still have

5:46

way too many skills and a

5:48

thing that's useful nowhere to let

5:50

it just kind of die. So

5:52

while this is ending. I do

5:54

want you to watch the space.

5:56

because we're going to do something

5:58

else. We've had multiple ideas that

6:01

have been on the back burner

6:03

in terms of either different styles

6:05

of content or if we were

6:07

going to continue with a tabletop

6:09

doing it in a different engine

6:11

that was a little bit more

6:14

RP focused and less about like

6:16

building characters gaining feats and rolling

6:18

dice, you know what I mean?

6:20

I mean, just one in particular

6:22

is Blades of the Dark, like

6:24

Trevor and I were playing Blades

6:26

of the Dark for a while

6:29

until I moved out to Washington,

6:31

and it was very, very enjoyable.

6:33

There was a period of time

6:35

in which we were considering making

6:37

one of those shows, and we

6:39

even went so far as to

6:42

get permission from Evil Hat Studios

6:44

to make a program about it.

6:46

Yeah, I have written permission from

6:48

Evil Hat to release a show

6:50

and make money from it if

6:52

we wanted to. We just never

6:54

had the time, never really put

6:57

any effort into it into it.

6:59

And that we're saying that we're

7:01

saying that we're doing. Sure, but

7:03

it's just it is. It's one

7:05

of the many things we've talked

7:07

about. We've talked about mothership. We

7:09

talked about that. Some of you,

7:12

I've individually talked about something that

7:14

I've worked on quite a bit,

7:16

that I'm building lore for, that

7:18

I'm still trying to find a

7:20

system that I'm in love with,

7:22

that is an idea for a

7:25

pretty radical departure from I think

7:27

most RPG podcast content. Honestly for

7:29

what you're talking about, I think

7:31

it should just be a T100

7:33

100. It will be once I

7:35

figure out what system I'm going

7:37

to use or build my own.

7:40

But I think it'd be pretty

7:42

radical and revolutionary if we ever

7:44

get it off the ground. But

7:46

I've, I keep, other things become

7:48

far more important than me continuing

7:50

to write all the backstory and

7:52

lore for Obscurian, which is the

7:55

tentative name of this new show.

7:57

A project that is yet to

7:59

see the light of day. Yeah,

8:01

I mean, it's been in development

8:03

for like two and a half

8:05

years at this point. So who

8:08

knows if it'll ever happen? I've

8:10

talked to a lot of people

8:12

about it. At any rate, we're

8:14

probably not going to jump in

8:16

anything that intense right off the

8:18

bat. I'm hoping that by the

8:20

dawn of 2025, I will have

8:23

picked myself back up by my

8:25

bootstraps per usual. and convince these

8:27

goobers to jump into something with

8:29

me. My wife is joking that

8:31

Belchora won. And it hurts my

8:33

soul just a little bit, but

8:36

she's right. She literally did, yeah.

8:38

She did, she absolutely did. We

8:40

are literally recording this right now

8:42

at 7.47 p.m. Eastern Time on

8:44

Sunday, November 10th. This will be

8:46

released in six hours and change.

8:48

I'm going to have just enough

8:51

time to like cry through the

8:53

edit as I kill my third

8:55

born child tonight. Like that's what

8:57

it feels like. Oh, Trevor. So

8:59

yeah, that's it. We'll be back.

9:01

It'll just take a little bit.

9:03

This has been a difficult period

9:06

of time for everyone. The last

9:08

couple of years have not been

9:10

particularly kind, but it will go

9:12

on in one way or another.

9:14

It has been an interesting couple

9:16

of years, like all of us

9:19

have gone through a number of

9:21

pretty large changes and we're definitely

9:23

going to take the next couple

9:25

months to try to figure out

9:27

where we are right now, see

9:29

what kind of capacity we would

9:31

have for a future project, future

9:34

show. So stay tuned. Oh, we'll

9:36

definitely be back. I had too

9:38

much fun doing this for too

9:40

long to just kind of sit

9:42

and not do anything. Yeah. I

9:44

will reincorporate it outside of Michigan

9:46

though. It's going to be moved

9:49

to North Carolina. That's one of

9:51

the things that I'm going to

9:53

be doing over the next two

9:55

months is making sure that all

9:57

that paperwork is done and the

9:59

reincorporation happens in North Carolina. Rejigger

10:02

all of our company shares around

10:04

patrons if you want to reach

10:06

out. I know that there is

10:08

at least one storyline that I

10:10

was... bringing the fruit. in the

10:12

next episode, I was gonna start

10:14

releasing a new character that was

10:17

built by one of the patrons

10:19

and I wanna reach out to

10:21

you Arnold and make sure that

10:23

I take care of you. But

10:25

we will be back. I can

10:27

say with pretty much complete surety

10:30

that it's not gonna be another

10:32

two e podcast though. So if

10:34

that's what you're holding out for,

10:36

I don't think it's gonna be

10:38

that. I want more narrative focus.

10:40

You know, you GM 150 sessions

10:42

and D20 systems get kind of

10:45

old pretty quick, especially when you're

10:47

trying to tell a compelling story

10:49

and you feel hamstrung by the

10:51

rules sometimes. No, maybe we'll just

10:53

do an anthology show, you know,

10:55

pick up a system for 10

10:57

episodes and run through a quest

11:00

or two and then go into

11:02

the next one. Maybe we'll do

11:04

something. A book show, you know,

11:06

we've talked about and I mean,

11:08

there's no reason we can't do

11:10

both. A war hammer novel club

11:13

podcast is so easy to put

11:15

together, especially since, you know, we

11:17

all read pretty quickly, I think.

11:19

And, uh, mica, knowing literally less

11:21

than nothing about war hammers got

11:23

to be hilarious for people. Even

11:25

Sarah has agreed. to listen in

11:28

on a couple. I really want

11:30

to do Gaskill Throcket with her.

11:32

That'd be hilarious. I've got that

11:34

sitting literally right here. Yeah. So

11:36

guys, listeners, community, I can't help

11:38

but feel like I've let you

11:41

down in more ways than one.

11:43

I gotta say I really love

11:45

you guys. You guys have gotten

11:47

me through a lot of tough

11:49

times over the past couple years.

11:51

that I've really just wanted to

11:53

quit, like everything, not just the

11:56

show. And I felt... like there

11:58

were people out there relying on

12:00

this in some extent and it

12:02

helped. So thank you for that.

12:04

So yeah I've been dreading this

12:06

all week and true to form

12:08

it absolutely sucked. And the show

12:11

was a doing this was a

12:13

a form of constancy and like

12:15

you know. I guess regiment is

12:17

a word for it. Like it

12:19

was always, you know, something to

12:21

do every week that I could

12:24

rely on where I just got

12:26

to play make believe and disconnect

12:28

from the rest of the regular

12:30

world. Yeah, I think it qualifies

12:32

as some sort of therapy. Definitely.

12:34

I'm like personally, I'm really bad

12:36

about keeping in touch with people

12:39

that I don't see every day.

12:41

So like just having this opportunity

12:43

to like hang out with Jake

12:45

in particular and also kind of

12:47

Trevor, he's okay. Hang out with

12:49

him. Have fun like that that

12:51

really was invaluable. I'll always remember

12:54

come trees for as long as

12:56

I'll live Mm-hmm. I remember where

12:58

I always remember where I was

13:00

when that episode was recorded Annie

13:02

hold me and let's think about

13:04

the come trees on the boo

13:07

And now I get to tend

13:09

the come trees You can 11

13:11

the come trees if you want

13:13

to I'm sorry Yeah, I'm going

13:15

to like I mean, yeah, definitely

13:17

going to absolutely Also another the

13:19

other favorite show like you guys

13:22

You know, you think this is

13:24

bad You know, we will have

13:26

to take a hiatus until the

13:28

beginning of the year But look

13:30

at it this way nobody got

13:32

hit by a car Right as

13:35

what happened with the first time

13:37

that we had to take a

13:39

hiatus because Raven got so fucked

13:41

up and couldn't wipe his own

13:43

blood. No, we didn't take hiatus

13:45

though. We like we caught up

13:47

Like he was back because we

13:50

had recorded like 13 episodes before

13:52

release episode one, which we hadn't.

13:54

It was an internal hiatus. Right,

13:56

it was definitely an internal hiatus.

13:58

We had to. for a while

14:00

listeners. You never had to deal

14:02

with that, but we did Raymond's

14:05

inability to commit to anything. I'm

14:07

surprised he got married. And then

14:09

at this time, I was working with

14:11

Raymond, and I was working with Raymond,

14:13

and I was seeing that he was

14:15

doing work in the thing, and it

14:17

got really tense for a little bit.

14:19

I'm like, wait, you say you can't

14:21

record, but you're working like every day.

14:23

You can't just sit around and like, dick

14:25

around with us. And he's a lot worse.

14:28

And I was told to stop working because

14:30

it's that bad. I'm like, oh, I feel

14:32

like a dick. I'm sorry, Raymond. He's like,

14:34

no, no. A lot of people were saying

14:37

that to me. So, yeah. Turns out getting

14:39

hit by a car rough on your

14:41

body. Especially when he had a motorcycle,

14:43

what happens. Yeah, yeah. It's one thing

14:46

when you're in a car and you

14:48

could hit by another car like, oh,

14:50

whiplash, that's got to kind of hurt.

14:52

Raymond was airborne. Raymond was

14:54

airborne. You guys haven't met

14:57

Raymond in person, but Raymond's

14:59

not a large man. And he's like,

15:02

he's like my size, but just

15:04

like, he's your height. Fuller, fuller,

15:06

fuller, but, but larger. Yeah, yeah,

15:08

no, exactly. He's, he's fuller. He's

15:11

a fuller mica, he's mica's

15:13

height. So instead of being like

15:15

some kind of avian-encrypted,

15:18

Raymond's like a chupicabra.

15:20

He's like a mole person. I love you

15:22

Raymond. I hope you hear this. I'm going

15:24

to send this to you because Raymond has

15:26

no idea what's going on. I haven't talked

15:29

to him since he was on the show,

15:31

you know, briefly a few weeks ago. And

15:33

that was great to talk to him again.

15:35

Don't get to see him nearly enough.

15:37

Especially now that you live in the

15:39

opposite coast from Raymond. Right, exactly.

15:41

But yeah, I'm going to keep the discord

15:43

open. I don't know. Why don't you guys make some

15:45

noise in one of one of the... Chat rooms

15:47

inside of the Roll for Intent Discord,

15:50

maybe you can put in suggestions for

15:52

different kind of engines or things you may

15:54

be interested in seeing. Yeah, I can't say we'll

15:56

never ever do 2E again, but I can't see

15:58

doing a long form. Show again. again, it's a

16:00

lot. It's a lot to run that

16:03

and try to keep it interesting. And,

16:05

you know, it's not easy, especially trying

16:07

to keep it interesting for people that

16:09

aren't sitting there playing it, right? I

16:12

remember when we started out, you said

16:14

that like, abomination vaults, that's only gonna

16:16

take like a year, maybe, right? Year

16:18

and half. I asked to make a

16:20

hundred eighty five episodes. I estimated a

16:23

hundred and eighty five episodes. Okay, okay.

16:25

Yep. Now we'll never know,

16:27

Trevor cannot be wrong. That's actually

16:29

what it is. There you go.

16:32

That's what it is. I'm like

16:34

the, I'm like the Tutsi pop

16:36

owl. A what? A toot. The

16:38

Tutsi, the Tuts, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

16:40

I thought you said a what?

16:43

You bite it so that you

16:45

never know. Exactly, I'm biting the

16:47

Tutsi pop right now. We're biting

16:49

the Tutsi pop. your SOS to

16:51

the world because we know that

16:53

Mike has actually chained up in

16:56

my basement. What what anything you

16:58

guys have to say to the

17:00

listeners I have I have poured

17:02

out my the the the cavernous

17:04

dark black inky depths of my

17:07

cadaverous soul so it's up to

17:09

you guys. Yeah so I I

17:11

don't like parasocial relationships I think

17:13

they're like inherently toxic. They're gross

17:15

and we like intentionally tried to

17:18

avoid that with that ship this

17:20

show that said the community that

17:22

we have in the discord like

17:24

there's a number of very faithful

17:26

listeners people have been very active

17:29

in it. If you know who

17:31

you are. I hope that you

17:33

guys stick around and continue to

17:35

be engaged with whatever it is

17:37

we decide to do in the

17:40

future 100% I met quite a

17:42

few of you in person and

17:44

it would suck that the last

17:46

time I saw you. was the

17:48

last time I ever see you.

17:51

I think this show doing this

17:53

whole little production. really helped keep

17:55

me grounded for a long period

17:57

of time. And I really don't

17:59

want to see the community or

18:02

the things that we did just

18:04

kind of go away all of

18:06

a sudden. I think after a

18:08

period of just, you know, trying

18:10

to spend time with family over

18:12

the holidays if you can, and

18:15

then coming back to the new

18:17

year and continuing to do what

18:19

we like to do is very

18:21

important to me. And from the

18:23

beginning, it was never about whether

18:26

or not anybody was particularly interested

18:28

in listening to it. It was

18:30

just something that I was a

18:32

part of that I think for

18:34

the first time in my life,

18:37

I wasn't embarrassed of. You know

18:39

what I mean? Like I could

18:41

show this to people and be

18:43

proud of it because it was

18:45

funny and the production quality was

18:48

high and other people liked it.

18:50

So stick around and come and

18:52

being part of the next thing

18:54

that we make that I'm actually

18:56

not embarrassed of. And I'll make

18:59

sure you're embarrassed of it. I'm

19:01

just embarrassed of you. So the

19:03

truth comes out. This is why

19:05

the show is ending. Obviously not

19:07

well enough. Jesus, right. You know

19:10

what? When we first started the

19:12

show, I think Jake was like

19:14

50 pounds lighter, but he also

19:16

looked like he was dead. Yeah,

19:18

I, when I say that the

19:20

show was like really integral to

19:23

my survival and well-being, I mean

19:25

it. When this whole thing began,

19:27

I was not in a very

19:29

good place. I actually looked at

19:31

some photos of me from like

19:34

two and a half, three years

19:36

ago, and I look like a

19:38

ghoul. So things are better now,

19:40

thankfully, but we're not just going

19:42

to let this float away because

19:45

there are some rotten apples or

19:47

some things were said or there

19:49

was a miscommunication or a misalignment

19:51

of, you know, ideals for lack

19:53

of a better word. This will

19:56

still be a safe place and

19:58

inclusive for anybody and everybody who

20:00

wants to listen, unless you're a

20:02

Nazi. Fuck off if you're a

20:04

Nazi. I think that's all I

20:07

really got to say. Stick around.

20:09

We'll be back. It hurts, but

20:11

we'll live. If only Todd had

20:13

some way to make a prolapse

20:15

in his joke, right, as we

20:18

were rolling out. Does anyone have

20:20

a like Stephen Segal reference or

20:22

something? Absolutely not. No, absolutely not.

20:24

No, uh-uh. I do, that reminds

20:26

me of a joke though. I

20:29

will give you this one. Why

20:31

did the seaman crux the road?

20:33

Why Trevor? Because I wore the

20:35

wrong pair of socks today. Who

20:37

does that? Who jerks off of

20:39

it and socks? It's no idea.

20:42

I just, I heard it the

20:44

other day. I thought it was

20:46

one of the most disgusting things

20:48

that ever hurt. No, but I

20:50

agree Jake. Jake like... That sounds

20:53

horribly uncomfortable. Like unless you don't

20:55

wear real socks. No, I don't.

20:57

I don't think that's the problem

20:59

here. I think it's just like,

21:01

you know, socks in general, that

21:04

kind of material. It looks like

21:06

I just reset your brain there

21:08

for a second, Mike. I guess

21:10

I've always also questioned the method,

21:12

like you're like ham-hocking it with

21:15

your sock on the whole time

21:17

or you just using it for

21:19

like a catch spin. You know,

21:21

like, who the fuck does that

21:23

for why? That you, like, you

21:26

could, fuck, like, that's just, those

21:28

poor socks. Are you, like, squirting

21:30

the lube, squirting lube into, like,

21:32

the neck of the sock, or

21:34

does like pool in the bottom?

21:37

Like, what, what are the actual

21:39

mechanics of this? Are we wearing,

21:41

like, no shows, or are these,

21:43

like, there you go. That's another

21:45

complication. I think there's also, like,

21:48

like, like, like, like, So maybe

21:50

we just don't get it. I

21:52

don't know. I don't know if

21:54

my case or not. I'm assuming

21:56

you're not, because you're saying that

21:58

you aren't. I just I

22:01

I don't I don't know I like is so

22:03

quiet feet Michael looks terrified and quiet I'm just just like

22:05

would it be a funny bit

22:07

if we left off with, like,

22:09

off with like that I'm a that I'm a

22:11

foot guy like would that that that that

22:13

funny content? content I

23:29

know. You