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get moving. Hi everybody, I'm

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Justin Jacobson with Restoration Games.

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I am the co-founder with

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my partner of crime Rob

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Davio. And my official title

0:54

is the board game necromancer.

0:56

which was a title bestowed upon

0:58

me by a Roy candidate. The

1:00

idea of being, of course, that

1:02

we take old games out of

1:04

print, mostly from when we were kids

1:06

and other time, you know, 60, 70s,

1:09

80s, 90s, into the 2000s now, we've

1:11

been around long enough, modernize

1:13

them, bring them back for today's

1:15

gamer, and bring them back to

1:17

life. So, happy to be on tonight.

1:19

And I'm Rob Davio. I'm

1:21

gonna skip the honorifics. My

1:29

name is Marty. I'm from Molling-Dice

1:31

and Techy names. As always joined

1:33

by. Hey, Tony. And we are excited

1:36

to bring a game of Rankin with

1:38

two of our good buddies from over

1:40

the years, Justin and Rob, and you

1:42

heard a very detailed introduction from Justin

1:45

early on, who these guys are, which

1:47

means we don't have to go through

1:49

it right now. So instead, we're going

1:51

to jump right into our game of

1:53

Rankin. So if you haven't heard Rankin,

1:56

this is how it's going to work.

1:58

We're going to give each, everybody's going

2:00

to get a list of three items.

2:02

as strawberry vanilla or chocolate. They're going

2:04

to rank those any way they want

2:07

and they're going to tell us why

2:09

and then we'll have some banter around

2:11

that. And to kick us off, Tony,

2:13

why don't you give us the first

2:16

list? I'll be happy to give us

2:18

the first list and this takes me

2:20

back to a very fond memory that

2:22

I have of when we met Mr.

2:24

Davio and he was in Charlotte at

2:27

a game day celebration and he comes

2:29

up to us and says, hey welcome

2:31

and his hands are covered in dough.

2:33

He was making bread. So my rank

2:35

for you gentlemen is Fakasha sourdough cornbread

2:38

Who goes first Rob First of all

2:40

first because it's yeah you go first

2:42

I just want to say I have

2:44

no memory of this thing I don't

2:47

remember that I'm pretty sure I've I

2:49

don't remember being at that convention I

2:51

mean this one seems pretty straightforward to

2:53

rank on taste I thought I was

2:55

going to be all clever and come

2:58

like why was I at a convention?

3:00

It's not out of character to just

3:02

I'm just going to make some bread

3:04

here and on the show floor but

3:07

I was a little okay yes I

3:09

do remember now. All right I mean

3:11

this one seems pretty straightforward to rank

3:13

on taste I thought I was going

3:15

to be all clever and come up

3:18

with like. Some clever way to rank

3:20

them, but at least for this one.

3:22

I'm just going to go with the

3:24

obvious one in rank for my personal

3:26

preference Okay, so I'm not limited to

3:29

30 seconds again Am I? Okay, just

3:31

making sure So first for me is

3:33

going to be cornbread low good cornbread

3:35

Especially if you can get some good

3:38

honey butter on it or if it's

3:40

got something in it some jalapeno or

3:42

something is also good. I like I

3:44

like a good cornbread and specifically corn

3:46

muffin One of my favorites I like

3:49

fajas as well. Again, you can also

3:51

put stuff in it, herbs or vegetables,

3:53

things like that, like a nice roasted

3:55

tomato on top or roasted onions, things

3:57

like that. So I like that. as

4:00

well, especially dipping in some good olive

4:02

oil. Sounds good to me. And then

4:04

last I'll go sourdough. No, it's not

4:06

a slacker by any stretch. I like

4:08

a good sourdough bread. It's just, usually

4:10

for me, it's a little bit more

4:13

of a vehicle for the butter than

4:15

it is, you know, in its own

4:17

ring. So that's my ranking for those

4:19

three. So Justin, I'm going to ask

4:21

you your question. We had this discussion

4:23

on rolling dice and taking names about

4:26

cornbread and taking names about cornbread and

4:28

how to make it. One of the

4:30

things, cream corn, yes or no, to

4:32

make it. All right, I'm about to

4:34

turn some people off here, or maybe

4:36

not, I don't know. But my

4:38

prep, my all-time favorite is just

4:40

jiffy corn muffin mix out of

4:43

the box. Add the egg, add the

4:45

milk, and that's the way I like

4:47

it. I have made with cream

4:49

corn and some other of these

4:51

recipes, and they're all good. I

4:53

just don't think they add much

4:56

for me, so. Okay, very good.

4:58

Mr. Davio. Well, I got so many things

5:00

I want to say. I don't like

5:02

my favorite type of cornbread or the

5:04

fact that Justin's, I love how you

5:07

ranked your bread taste by how

5:09

much stuff you could put on

5:11

the bread, right? And then you

5:13

got down to Saturday, like, nothing

5:15

against it. I guess you can

5:17

make a sandwich or something. And

5:19

I'm like, I don't think this

5:21

man likes bread. I think he

5:23

likes toppings. Also, I'm not going

5:25

to get into a dissertation between

5:27

cream corn, northern bread, cornbread, southern

5:29

cornbread, cheese, the difference between, you

5:31

know, big difference between northern

5:33

cornbread and southern cornbread.

5:35

Well, I am curious. I don't think

5:38

I've had, I had, I had, northern

5:40

cornbread. Southern cornbread tends to be

5:42

whiter, less sweet, usually put in a

5:44

hot skillet, so it's like, crisp beer,

5:46

like. You see the look we're

5:48

giving you? Yeah, no, sweet.

5:50

How can anything be less

5:52

sweet than southern cornbread? Are

5:54

you sure it's not because

5:56

you're drinking the sweet tea

5:59

with the cornbread? No. traditionally

6:01

and then Northern corporate tends to

6:03

be thicker cakey or sweeter like

6:05

a big slab like you know two inches

6:07

tall. Okay so it's a denser cornbread

6:10

because you're right ours has a

6:12

more of a crumb to it.

6:14

Yeah. Okay everybody just needs to

6:16

calm down because there's two types

6:18

of cornbread here in the South

6:20

and I for sure like the

6:23

more cakey yellow sweeter version of

6:25

cornbread over anything else. That's just

6:27

Northern invasion versus... I don't like

6:29

that dry crumbly cornbread. Well it's

6:31

not dry but it crumbles better

6:33

so it can go into your

6:35

chili and I mean I'm just

6:38

saying yeah you could put honey

6:40

butter on it too by the

6:42

way I don't know if I

6:44

mention that since cinnamon honey butter

6:46

yeah you just like cake well

6:48

it doesn't all right but Rob

6:50

so please rank yours rank yours

6:52

I'll rank them in order from

6:55

most likely to make to least

6:57

likely to make, which coincidentally, is

6:59

the same order as Justin's. I

7:01

see if I could guess. Because

7:03

cornbread is a quick bread, right?

7:05

So you just throw the stuff

7:07

together, whether you're going from a

7:09

jiffy box or making a bespoke

7:11

one. But that could be done

7:13

in half an hour to an hour,

7:16

like start to finish. It's pretty

7:18

flexible about the pans you use,

7:20

and it's relatively hard to mess

7:22

up. At the end of the day,

7:24

you'll have cornbread. And then sourdough if

7:27

you're doing it right like get going

7:29

on a starter like it's 20-20 again

7:31

Let that thing cook in the fridge

7:33

or really not cook but sort of

7:35

blorp and blueball and you know do

7:37

all this stuff and manifest and then

7:39

you can finally make a loaf of

7:41

bread But at that point you're on

7:43

the sort of starter train and you

7:45

got to be making like a loaf every other

7:47

day Or it'll take up your whole fridge and

7:50

I just don't like making bread or eating

7:52

bread enough to sort of do that. So

7:54

I don't think I'll ever make sourdough and

7:56

I'm okay with that. But interesting

7:58

facts, sourdough bread. Has

8:00

nearly no gluten in it Hmm

8:02

compared to other breads. It's either

8:04

sour nor a dough discuss. It's

8:07

actually both of those things really

8:09

I did not realize that I

8:11

don't know why I mean could

8:13

you in likeness or did you

8:15

just make I don't know I

8:17

can silently Google it while I

8:19

talk about other things. Okay, I

8:21

appreciate that. Oh Marty. Yeah, he

8:23

Googles. Mine's going to kind of

8:26

be in the same water mine

8:28

based on what goes good with

8:30

the meal. And it's going to

8:32

be cornbread first. I can always

8:34

do cornbread, whether it be like,

8:36

you know, skillet cornbread, whatever I

8:38

do like, tend to be on

8:40

the sweeter side, honey butter is

8:42

always amazing on it. And then,

8:44

did I pronounce it? It was

8:47

a fricata, fricata, hey pronounce it.

8:49

Yes, that too. The bread I

8:51

was making when you met me.

8:53

Yes, yes, which was absolutely amazing.

8:55

Fantastic stuff. Sourdough is fine, but

8:57

it's got to be done in

8:59

a certain way for me to

9:01

want to eat it because one

9:03

time I tried sourdough pancakes and

9:06

that was the worst thing I've

9:08

possible. It was horrible. It was

9:10

bad. That's a bad mix. I

9:12

went to a special pancake house.

9:14

I was like, we make sour

9:16

sourdough pancakes. That sounds interesting. I

9:18

couldn't even eat it. It was.

9:20

And then ever since then, I've

9:22

kind of turned on sourdough a

9:24

little bit. So, okay. Well, it

9:27

probably was interesting. Yeah, it was

9:29

interesting. Not good. Okay, so Rob,

9:31

did Google come through for you?

9:33

It's something about the fermentation process

9:35

of sourdough tends to break down

9:37

the gluten and make it easier

9:39

for people with gluten sensitivities to

9:41

digest. If you have celiac, it

9:43

won't work. So it's more like

9:46

a low gluten than a type

9:48

of person who. shouldn't eat a

9:50

lot of it. A genuine sourdough,

9:52

I think I could look it

9:54

up again. But I remember when

9:56

my daughter was having trouble with

9:58

gluten four or five years ago,

10:00

was something like a tenth of

10:02

the amount of gluten or active

10:05

gluten. There's a whole thing about...

10:07

fermentation and different types of malolactic

10:09

acid maybe that comes into play

10:11

with sourdough but then again I

10:13

just could be saying phrases that

10:15

I don't mean anything I heard

10:17

it just like seeing it on

10:19

the internet it must be true

10:21

I'm not sagely when you said

10:23

it so I agree I think

10:26

I think you're a spot on

10:28

Rob I cannot dispute what you're

10:30

saying so I was close it's

10:32

malolactic fermentation and malic acid Let

10:34

me just say, Marty, this is

10:36

probably the most intellectual rank we've

10:38

ever had. When it comes to,

10:40

if we ever talk about food

10:42

and Robazon, it's always a learning

10:45

experience. I love it. Absolutely. Gosh,

10:47

you came up to food and

10:49

what's yours? Well, mine is based

10:51

on the level of success to

10:53

enjoyment I've had with making bread

10:55

and fakashia. I made an amazing

10:57

one with a pesto. It was

10:59

unreal and it was with a,

11:01

I made it to go with

11:04

a beef bergillon that we were

11:06

having and everybody loved it. Cornbread,

11:08

like you said, it's so easy

11:10

to make and just throw it

11:12

in there. I am struggling with

11:14

my sourdove. I made a decent

11:16

one today, but Rob, it was

11:18

an 18-hour fermentation and I just

11:20

fed the stupid starter. I'm almost

11:22

ready to starve the starter. If

11:25

I do not have success with

11:27

the very next one, the starter

11:29

will die. Yeah. It's like getting

11:31

a pet. It's like, what's the

11:33

little toy? The Tamagocchi? The Tamagocchi.

11:35

The Tamagocchi. Like, yeah, like, Neopets

11:37

and all these things. Like, you

11:39

just have to keep doing. I

11:41

mean, make some cool bread. Like,

11:44

if this is if you own

11:46

a bakery or you own a

11:48

bakery, you know, love making bread

11:50

every day. Fantastic and it just

11:52

keeps getting more and more interesting.

11:54

Yeah, my wife wants me to

11:56

use the discards, Marty, to make

11:58

other things. And I'm like, I

12:00

just don't want to invest that

12:03

much time in doing discard, the

12:05

sourdough discard cinnamon rolls and things

12:07

like that. They all sound great,

12:09

but man, I just, I don't

12:11

know. So anyway, wait for retirement.

12:13

Yeah, there you go. When you

12:15

retire, then you got time to do

12:17

all this sort of stuff. Well, I

12:19

can keep that thing alive for four

12:21

more years than I'm good to go.

12:23

It's an 80-year-old sourdough that somebody

12:26

brought to me from work. Yeah,

12:28

there's some in France that are

12:30

over 400 years old. Yeah, there's

12:32

decades old stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Well

12:35

before I get to my question,

12:37

so obviously you guys with restoration

12:39

games and I've had, I mean,

12:41

amazing success for the past few

12:43

years, especially with their last couple

12:46

big games, Return to Dark Tower,

12:48

and Thunder Road vendetta, which you're

12:50

welcome. For those who don't know

12:52

this story, Tony and I've been

12:54

begging them for years. Please do

12:56

this game. And by the success

12:58

of this game, I think, I

13:00

obviously went very well. Y'all are on,

13:03

you did another run, right? And the

13:05

print run with the Kickstarter? Well, yeah,

13:07

we did another print one. We

13:09

also did a second Kickstarter

13:11

for the expansion, Carnival of

13:13

Chaos, last year that fulfilled

13:16

at the beginning of this year.

13:18

Yep. We actually covered on the show. No,

13:20

end of last year. End of last year.

13:22

It all blurs together. Yeah. So yeah, it's

13:24

been super successful for us. And I know

13:27

the couple of those games right there were

13:29

like big kick starters But and it seems

13:31

to me you got this one base

13:33

game that y'all have been writing for

13:35

years with a lot of success that

13:37

typically doesn't go to Kickstarter Most of

13:39

them don't they just go straight to

13:41

retail and that's unmatched so get us

13:43

up to there I know you just

13:45

released the richer version of the game.

13:47

So how's that been going for you

13:49

and if you can share any future

13:51

plans of what you got? Plan for

13:54

that game, let us know. Sure, but yes,

13:56

obviously it's been an

13:58

incredibly successful release. the

14:00

first three sets in 2019 and

14:02

so it's still going strong I'd

14:04

have to count the sets over

14:06

on my it's got to be

14:08

over 20 now it's pretty yeah

14:10

somewhere around there I'd say and

14:12

we did just release the Witcher

14:14

sets towards in the last year

14:16

and I think they're just hitting

14:18

a retail earlier this year and

14:20

again also been successful it's it's

14:22

very consistent for us it's super

14:24

great fan base We have a

14:26

really dedicated competitive scene. They're actually

14:28

getting ready to do a big,

14:30

they do a semi-annual tournament. I

14:33

think they're switching up the format,

14:35

but they're doing their big tournament

14:37

as just getting ready to launch

14:39

soon this spring. And that's always

14:41

fun to watch too. So yeah,

14:43

it's been doing really well for

14:45

us. We announced recently that the

14:47

next set coming out will be

14:49

Battle Legends volume three, which is

14:51

obviously the third in that line.

14:53

It's going to be the last

14:55

of the Battle of Legends sets,

14:57

not the last unmatched sets, still

14:59

going strong, but I'm sure Rob

15:01

would be happy to tell you

15:03

a little bit more about Battle

15:05

Legends Volume 3. It will be.

15:07

I remember who's in it. I'm

15:09

counting sets. Oh, it's so funny,

15:12

like by the time the sets

15:14

are ready to come out, we're

15:16

like three sets ahead on the

15:18

in development. So we're working on

15:20

stuff now that's not coming out

15:22

until 26 or even 27. It's

15:24

23 sets including Battle Legends, volume

15:26

three is where we are. I

15:28

know one of the people in

15:30

number three is a local hero

15:32

here in North Carolina. Uh, who

15:34

is that? Blackbeard, Mr. T. Oh

15:36

yeah. He's a local legend down

15:38

there? Yeah. Yeah. He was called

15:40

off the coast of North Carolina

15:42

and lived in North Carolina for

15:44

a while when he got, when

15:46

he stopped being a pirate. He

15:48

lived in North Carolina for a

15:51

day. Just for, then he moved

15:53

back to being a pirate. Oh,

15:55

okay, yeah, property taxes. Yeah, Battle

15:57

Legends Volume 3, or Battle Legends.

15:59

line is basically where we started.

16:01

We wanted to sort of take

16:03

these characters from legend and lore

16:05

and myth and or semi historical

16:07

and put them together and sort

16:09

of like, this makes sense, but

16:11

not really. Like everyone comes from

16:13

a different place. This is our

16:15

third and final one and the

16:17

characters are Blackbeard as we mentioned,

16:19

Loki, the Norse god, not the

16:21

Marvel version of Loki, but the

16:23

O. G. Loki, Pandora, Pandora, Box,

16:25

and then Chupakabra. Talk to me

16:27

a little bit about this Pandora

16:30

thing. So while you're playing, you

16:32

just go around, look, hey, the

16:34

box is open, the box is

16:36

closed, the box is open, the

16:38

box is closed. Kind of, yeah,

16:40

actually. Okay, yeah. So I'm a

16:42

little bit like trying to, I

16:44

don't know what we've said publicly.

16:46

I was like, interesting, let's see,

16:48

I'm usually the big blabbermouth, but

16:50

I, I told Suzanne, our brilliant

16:52

marketing manager, that we were going

16:54

on tonight, like, We haven't started

16:56

reveals yet for about legends volume

16:58

three so that will start that

17:00

later this month We'll start seeing

17:02

stuff, but yeah, she basically You

17:04

know, there's a little bit of

17:06

chance there right you're opening the

17:09

box and there's a little bit

17:11

of risk there Just what is

17:13

what is what is revealed? What

17:15

is revealed later in the month?

17:17

I didn't say anything. It's no

17:19

surprise that Pandora, you know, has

17:21

a box. I mean a mechanic

17:23

that deals with the box. Yeah,

17:25

yeah Yeah, so it also is

17:27

interesting because we've had one figure

17:29

from Greek mythology in each of

17:31

the Battle Legend sets. So Medusa,

17:33

then Achilles, and now Pandora. So

17:35

I just thought that was kind

17:37

of cool. What can I say?

17:39

I have a degree in classical

17:41

history. So I hope that I

17:43

know we haven't seen anything yet,

17:45

but I hope that one of

17:48

the black beard cards is one

17:50

of him with candles in his

17:52

beard. because he won't work. No

17:54

spoilers, but yeah, I mean, I

17:56

will say that it. there for

17:58

that was the thing that I...

18:00

Tony you look confused. I will

18:02

say a couple things. One, the

18:04

art is great. We have a

18:06

different artist for each of the

18:08

different heroes which is something we moved

18:10

to. It just makes it a lot

18:12

easier for production but it also is

18:15

cool because we get more different artists

18:17

in the line which with a set like a line

18:19

like a match makes a lot of sense. But

18:21

we also put a lot of

18:23

effort into a lot of the

18:25

historical stuff so... Anything that's historically

18:27

accurate, you should expect to see

18:29

represented generally for those types of

18:31

things. I remember there was, you know,

18:34

he's got some guns, I don't think I'm

18:36

spoiled, that's much of a spoiler, but I

18:38

think they were like the wrong direction

18:40

and we like changed the direction

18:42

or something because it was left-handed

18:44

or right-hand. I can't even remember,

18:46

but it was that attention to detail.

18:48

So yeah, I think you're safe there. Yeah,

18:51

from start to finish, we're all nerds.

18:53

authentic nerdy Easter eggs into our

18:55

games we do. That's cool. We have

18:57

a great, my favorite meeting all week

19:00

is we have one meeting on Thursday

19:02

every week where the whole team is

19:04

welcome and basically it's show and

19:06

tell. We get to see all the cool

19:09

art stuff that's been done over

19:11

the course of the week and that's

19:13

a lot of fun for everybody and

19:15

but then also you'll get people like

19:18

oh by the way I think that

19:20

pistol is facing the wrong way.

19:22

Okay good. And the last follow-up,

19:25

something really near and dear to

19:27

my heart, is how is Unmatched

19:29

Adventures Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles coming

19:32

along? It's coming along well.

19:34

It's in production as we

19:36

speak. This was our first,

19:38

obviously, Wichita was our first

19:40

truly licensed product. This one was

19:43

our first with dealing with a major

19:45

like company, you know, Paramount,

19:47

Viacom. And it's a much bigger project

19:49

than just a couple of standard sets.

19:51

It's a lot of stuff in there.

19:54

So like the approvals take a long

19:56

time and so it's a big production,

19:58

but it's coming looks up. amazing.

20:00

The decks are super fun. Just

20:02

lots of cool stuff. And anyway,

20:04

so we're going to be fulfilling

20:07

that later this year to people

20:09

who back the Kickstarter somewhere around

20:11

August. And then I think the

20:13

retail release is slated for September.

20:15

Of course, everything I say about

20:17

releases and whatnot kind of has

20:19

an asterisk while we're dealing with,

20:21

you know. the current environment let's

20:24

say for production and freight and

20:26

fulfillment and whatnot. Yeah. But right

20:28

now we're still on track. All

20:30

right I'm gonna kick out my

20:32

first rank them so all of

20:34

us are somewhat sports fans here.

20:36

I'm gonna pause for a minute.

20:39

We are recording on the night

20:41

of the NCAA College Tournament Championship

20:43

and we scheduled it early so

20:45

that Justin could go watch his

20:47

alma mater Duke play. But unfortunately,

20:49

and I was not, I was

20:51

pulling for you, Duke lost in

20:53

the semi finals. And look, ACC

20:56

has had a horrible year and

20:58

we needed some sort of redemption,

21:00

so I was pulling hard for

21:02

Duke. So, and what a way

21:04

to lose, you got robbed. That

21:06

was, I was an absolute gut

21:08

punch, that game. I don't, we

21:11

don't need to say any more

21:13

about it. No, we can. It

21:15

was a hardest game for me

21:17

as a fan. I'm a fan

21:19

of multiple sports, you know, in

21:21

South Florida. You know, rooted for

21:23

a bunch of different teams down

21:25

here, but I've been a. Duke

21:28

was the only one that rejected

21:30

me. So you get no tears

21:32

from the worst gut punch of

21:34

a loss that I've had. The

21:36

way they lost was brutal. Yeah.

21:38

All right. Sorry. Right. Right. Right.

21:40

Well, two things. Red Sox fan

21:43

here. So I've had a few

21:45

of those. 2003 versus the Yankees

21:47

was the worst. And second of

21:49

all, all the colleges I applied

21:51

to. Duke was the only one

21:53

that rejected me. So you get

21:55

no tears from him. Justin got

21:57

in. Well, a couple things. One,

22:00

that was law school. I'm not

22:02

sure how much they can. But

22:04

all. My daughter, my younger daughter

22:06

is just in the, is a

22:08

senior this year and she just

22:10

got rejected by Duke like the

22:12

week before. So it was a

22:15

little bit like, you know, maybe

22:17

bad karma for them. Maybe they

22:19

should have let her in. I'm

22:21

just saying. Wait a minute. You

22:23

don't get some sort of legacy

22:25

sort of deal? Evidently not. I

22:27

mean, to be clear, I met

22:29

my wife of Duke, so we

22:32

both went there. Both my parents

22:34

went to Duke and met there.

22:36

And I guess it wasn't quite

22:38

enough. How much of you contributed?

22:40

Not enough. There it is. And

22:42

there's no building named after me

22:44

also. I'll be clear about that.

22:47

All right, so here's mine. Here

22:49

we go. Very straightforward. Football, basketball,

22:51

baseball. Rank those in any way

22:53

you want and then tell me

22:55

why. I think Justin, you went

22:57

first last time. So let's go

22:59

over to Tony and give you

23:02

guys time to think about it.

23:04

I didn't write it down quickly.

23:06

Baseball. You have to write this

23:08

down? You know. I'm just trying

23:10

to think of an interesting way

23:12

to rank him. Football, basketball, baseball.

23:14

Okay, I'm ready. Okay. All right,

23:16

I'm going to rank these based

23:19

on my ability. In front of

23:21

the mic, please. I'm sorry. I'm

23:23

going to rank these based on

23:25

my ability to get a good

23:27

nap. while watching out from home.

23:29

I'm watching. Okay. And even if

23:31

we were to say a good

23:34

nap while there, a NASCAR race

23:36

with the mmm. Oh man, I

23:38

can. You never have been to

23:40

a NASCAR race. Have you rubber

23:42

any auto race of any kind?

23:44

I presume, right? No, no chance.

23:46

Right. All right. You say you're

23:48

from you play. Anyway, Duke. I'm

23:51

going to go with easiest way

23:53

to get an app for me

23:55

is baseball's number one. output me

23:57

to sleep in a heartbeat. And

23:59

then football, just because it's so

24:01

slow, and then. basketball. Constant up

24:03

and down action and until you

24:06

get to the last two minutes

24:08

and then I can get it.

24:10

So the naps not as strong

24:12

because the last two minutes is

24:14

so boring with all the fouls.

24:16

So that for me is how I

24:18

would rank that. All right Rob.

24:20

I'm going to rank mine from

24:23

least embarrassing to

24:25

most embarrassing if I

24:27

tried to play it. I'm trying

24:29

to predict. Go ahead. Least

24:31

embarrassing would be baseball. I

24:33

watched baseball, you know, I

24:35

picked pick up baseball. I

24:37

could be a bad baseball player

24:40

and I would know what I would

24:42

need to do to try to get

24:44

better stick me in some, you know,

24:46

right field or something like that where

24:49

even though I will drop it because

24:51

I won't be able to judge a

24:53

fly, I'll be able to pick it

24:56

up quick enough. I think the second

24:58

one is where it gets tough

25:00

because I think that I, assuming

25:02

we're not playing like NFL

25:05

speed, I think I could

25:07

play certainly backyard pick up

25:09

football, run, throw, catch sort

25:11

of thing and sort of

25:13

fake people out basketball. I

25:15

presume. Yeah, I mean, I'm

25:17

assuming we don't have like

25:20

a full linebacker coming at

25:22

me. And then the last one

25:24

is basketball, like, I. I

25:26

didn't reach this scintillating five

25:28

foot six height until I

25:30

was 18 years old. Like

25:33

I literally have never played a

25:35

pick up game of basketball in

25:37

my entire life. Really? Yeah. I mean,

25:39

I've, you know, played, you know, horse

25:42

and shot free throws or dribbled. I

25:44

like, I don't think I could dribble

25:46

and walk. Did you play any

25:49

organized sports? I was on swim

25:51

team. I was real good at

25:53

swimming. Okay. Cool. Okay. Yeah, you

25:55

can. Okay, name the second. Yeah,

25:57

yeah, name the second person who

25:59

is. foot stops. Mugsy Boats? Boos! Yes,

26:01

Charlotte Ordinate, Boos. Yes, far, you and

26:04

far between, no question. Yeah. This is

26:06

a good time for me to mention

26:08

by the way, I was actually a

26:10

very good basketball player in my youth.

26:13

Oh cool. Played a lot of pick-up

26:15

basketball throughout college and in law school,

26:17

which was really cool. You played for

26:20

Duke? No, but this is where we're

26:22

going with this. So you go to

26:24

the just the regular old intramural intramural

26:26

gym, gym, you know, you know, you

26:29

know, you know, you know? would go

26:31

to play pickup games and before the

26:33

season started before like the college basketball

26:35

season all the college players and the

26:38

former college players would go and play

26:40

pickup games in the intramural gym with

26:42

the regular schmose. So I played basketball

26:44

with Grant Hill who dunked on me.

26:47

Would have been a great poster if

26:49

someone was taking a picture. A whole

26:51

bunch of people from around that time.

26:53

I played with Johnny Dawkins. I was

26:56

my favorite. He was, you know, Hall

26:58

of Fame, Point Guard, fantastic player. So

27:00

anyway, that was a ton of fun.

27:03

But anyway. I got school by the

27:05

Wolfpack ladies, don't pick up games on

27:07

Saturday morning. Yeah. They were mean. God,

27:09

they were mean. I mean, I do

27:12

wish I was into more into basketball

27:14

or college basketball. I live like... 30

27:16

minutes away from Yukon. And not too

27:18

far from Springfield. The Springfield, the Basketball

27:21

Hall of Fame is about two miles

27:23

from where I live. I've been there

27:25

once. Really? Yeah. I do not really.

27:27

Okay, cool. And that means you're close

27:30

to the Volley Ball of Fame too.

27:32

Keep going right up the road, yeah.

27:34

Okay. Very good. Wow, more interesting stuff.

27:36

You're running. Mine? My turn. OK. I'm

27:39

going to rank. So another little fun

27:41

fact about me. I did sports announcing

27:43

in college, which was a ton of

27:46

fun. I actually thought I was going

27:48

to do that for a while. I

27:50

had demo tapes. all this I realize

27:52

that's not really a very realistic career

27:55

and also not a great you know

27:57

you're on the road a lot like

27:59

there were a lot of reasons I

28:01

was like I it would sound it

28:04

fun but not for me so I'm

28:06

gonna rank these in order of most

28:08

favorite to announce versus least favorite and

28:10

I'm actually gonna go originally I was

28:13

ranking like my favorite like to watch

28:15

whatever I'm gonna go essentially in reverse

28:17

order for favorite to announce baseball hands

28:19

down vest to announce There's a lot

28:22

of time, you can chat, there's some

28:24

great, you know, home run calls are

28:26

great, there's lots of good plays, you

28:29

catch raises like all over the place,

28:31

like it's a ton of fun to

28:33

announce. I used to do some pretty

28:35

good impersonations from some baseball announcers, I'm

28:38

definitely doing that now, but. My second

28:40

favorite one was because I went to

28:42

school in New Jersey. was Bob Murphy

28:44

used to do for the Mets. Bob

28:47

Murphy, here, so I read that guy,

28:49

I used to do a really good

28:51

Bob Murphy impersonation. Anyway, basketball is my

28:53

second favorite because it's like nonstop action.

28:56

It's just, it's a lot of fun.

28:58

And then football, sort of my least

29:00

favorite, still kind of fun, but it's

29:02

also a lot of like technical painting

29:05

the picture. like they're in this formation

29:07

and this person's out wide and this

29:09

person you know it's like a lot

29:11

of like lined up in the eye

29:14

formation you know in motion yeah third

29:16

and eight here's the snap it's not

29:18

quite as much fun to announce as

29:21

the other sports so that's my ranking

29:23

so my ranking is going to be

29:25

in least the one I want to

29:27

attend least the one I enjoy attending

29:30

the least the one I enjoy attending

29:32

least is actually football and it's because

29:34

unless you got a really good seat

29:36

Half the game you're not going to

29:39

see what's going on. You know, if

29:41

you're towards the end zone or whatever,

29:43

and the plays on the other side

29:45

of the field, you better hope there's

29:48

a decent scoreboard. showing you what's going

29:50

on because you're looking from behind them

29:52

and you can't see a thing so

29:54

you miss a lot of the game.

29:57

So unless you got like 50 yard

29:59

seats back up high enough to see

30:01

both sides it's just harder to follow.

30:04

Second is basketball at least it's a

30:06

little bit more consolidated. I was just

30:08

sitting in the student section in college

30:10

all the time, you know, at least

30:13

I could kind of see the other

30:15

end of the court on what was

30:17

going on there. So that was just

30:19

a bare experience and it's just constantly

30:22

moving. So there's always something going on

30:24

so it's easy to follow. The most

30:26

one for me to actually tend is

30:28

baseball. Yes, it's slower and all this

30:31

stuff, but it's an experience with the

30:33

family because we go. Baseball stadiums have

30:35

the best food. They got all these

30:37

special, you know, you know, Entries and

30:40

stuff that you can get at the

30:42

ballpark and you just sit there and

30:44

chat with friends and then watch a

30:47

pitch Then chat with friends. It's just

30:49

a good social time. So yeah, we

30:51

had a we went to the minor

30:53

league game at jetcon Before the show

30:56

started that was a ton of fun

30:58

last year and that was a blast

31:00

and we did just that we sat

31:02

there ate some food and just talked

31:05

to each other and watched the game

31:07

in the process. It was a good

31:09

game too. I actually think certainly for

31:11

an for an NFL NFL game than

31:14

a baseball game with all the commercial

31:16

timeouts and things like that. There's just

31:18

a lot of like 100% pure downtime.

31:20

Nothing happens like between plays and more

31:23

breaks and things like that. Yeah, at

31:25

least in between innings at baseball games,

31:27

they try to entertain you with the

31:30

mascot races or something like that. There's

31:32

usually something going on the field in

31:34

between the innings. Yeah, you didn't put

31:36

hockey on there. I would be the

31:39

best at hockey out of You know,

31:41

auto. Really? That playing hockey? I grew

31:43

up in Maine. There was, for winter,

31:45

there was an ice rink in my

31:48

backyard. Like. I'm actually a big hockey

31:50

fan. So probably, I mean, the Panthers

31:52

are doing well. I was, you know,

31:54

and, but yeah, I like hockey. Yep.

31:57

So Rob, what you, yeah, so Rob,

31:59

how about that class act of, I'll

32:01

screw up as name of Avechk. Avechk.

32:03

Avechkin? Avechkin? Avechkin? And not going into

32:06

an empty goal to break Greski's record.

32:08

But he did it the following night.

32:10

With the exact same number of games

32:12

as Greski did I heard. Wow. Really.

32:15

Yeah. That's. And I would have known

32:17

nothing about this, but I heard

32:19

it on the radio for five seconds

32:21

the other day. And I was like,

32:24

oh cool. Yesterday, I think. Dinner Tabletoal.

32:26

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I was trying to

32:28

throw yeah, I went to the

32:31

dinner table with my wife and

32:33

started talking about tying Gretzky's goal

32:35

record She would look at me

32:37

like she'd be like you know

32:39

who you're married to right? All

32:41

right, so here's a question for

32:43

you. So you guys got the

32:45

unmatched games coming out and stuff.

32:47

We aren't that far away from

32:50

summer conventions and everything like that.

32:52

Are you going to have any

32:54

retail stuff that you're going to

32:56

be releasing at Origins or GenCon

32:58

or is still to our lead

33:00

even announced that? At Origins, it's

33:02

the most recent thing will be

33:04

the Witcher unmatched sets. And then

33:06

GenCon Battle Legends Volume 3 will

33:08

be out by GenCon. And that's

33:11

probably the new stuff that we

33:13

have for now. Okay. All right. So

33:15

is is that match kind of your

33:17

evergreen? Is that kind of your foundation

33:19

for the company right now or

33:22

is that not a fair statement?

33:24

I think it's certainly a fair statement

33:26

in terms of, you know, we have

33:28

a very strong foundation with

33:30

unmatched sort of a regular

33:32

cadence of like very solid releases

33:35

and then that's supported by, you

33:37

know, two or so Kickstarter's year

33:39

for our bigger games or bigger

33:42

projects. And between those two and

33:44

then it's interesting we our team's gotten

33:46

a little bigger recently and things

33:48

like that and we're always looking

33:50

to see like our on our

33:52

product line sort of other things

33:54

that we can be doing and

33:56

we have interesting stuff but

33:59

there's always. You know, it's complicated.

34:01

It's tough. I mean, yeah, I would

34:03

say unmatched and the Thunder Road and

34:05

Return to Dark Tower are like a

34:07

nice little triad of brands that we

34:09

have that we can do something new

34:11

to or just re -release or do another

34:14

print run or another crowdfunding thing if

34:16

we wanted to do so. And then

34:18

we're always trying to bring new things

34:20

in and sometimes it does okay. Sometimes

34:22

it lasts a couple years. Sometimes it's

34:24

not what people want. That's nature of

34:26

the business. Sure. Okay, so I don't

34:29

know if Marty's got this type of

34:31

question and Marty, if you do tell

34:33

him not to answer, but so Dark

34:35

Tower came what, 2022? Is that when

34:37

it came out in 2022? We kickstarted

34:39

it right before what was it called?

34:42

Oh yeah, COVID. COVID pandemic. I

34:45

was just kind of curious. I mean,

34:47

so now you've gotten three years with

34:49

the hardware. Has anything started cropping up

34:51

or? It's funny. When we designed it,

34:53

we were our biggest fear was that

34:55

we would have some failure issues with

34:57

the tower or something or they would

34:59

break down whatever it would be. And

35:01

we're like, the one thing we don't

35:03

want to be doing is how are

35:05

we going to get people a replacement

35:07

tower? And so we

35:09

ordered, I can't remember, was like

35:11

a lot. It was like 10 ,000

35:13

replacement towers pre -packaged, ready to ship.

35:16

It wasn't 10 ,000. It can't ,000. It

35:18

was a lot. It was like

35:20

2 ,000. 2 ,000 towers in their own

35:22

individual boxes, not with the whole

35:24

thing. Here you go. Sorry about that.

35:26

And I think we've, the failure

35:28

rate's been just infinitesimally small, like literally

35:31

less than 100, I think, that

35:33

we had to ship out. So it's

35:35

been pretty crazy how well that

35:37

thing was designed. They

35:39

put in so much time

35:41

and effort in the engineering and

35:43

the design and working with

35:45

the manufacturer and refining it. And

35:47

it seemed like a real

35:49

pain in the butt at the

35:51

time, but it paid off,

35:53

I guess, you can say for

35:55

sure. So cool. Okay. I

35:57

was just kind of curious about

35:59

that because, you know, as

36:02

things age, wear and tear anything

36:04

mechanical. How you feel? Yeah, knees. Mostly knees. Yeah. It's

36:06

interesting. The thing that is, you know, harder to keep up

36:08

is with the app because stuff will change and because it's

36:10

got Bluetooth, you know, if anything changes with

36:12

Bluetooth, I know something. I don't

36:14

understand half of it, honestly. We

36:16

have top people on it. But, you know,

36:18

they'll say, oh, like, they did

36:20

say screwed something up with something

36:22

with the Bluetooth. We got to

36:24

fix it. I was like, okay.

36:26

But, you know, you know, we

36:28

have people to do. Yeah, that's

36:30

I didn't think about that from

36:32

the challenge aspect. But yeah, always

36:35

updating software. Yeah. Yeah.

36:37

Tony, do you mind if

36:39

I do my next rank them?

36:41

I know what's your turn. I

36:44

don't, this is your show, dude.

36:46

I'm just one for the ride.

36:48

Oh, geez. See what I got to

36:51

put up with y'all. All right,

36:53

here we go. rankings. Godzilla.

36:56

King Kong Rodin. And

36:58

I'm going to go first this

37:00

time. I'm just going to

37:02

go from my favorite,

37:05

to least favorite, favorite

37:07

by far, and it's always

37:09

been since the 70s, Godzilla.

37:11

Godzilla is my man. I

37:14

love that monster. I love

37:16

the movies. I saw Godzilla

37:18

minus one four times in

37:20

the theater, three colored, one

37:22

black and white. I own

37:24

the blue ray. I just,

37:27

it's just, I love everything

37:29

about him. He's a cool

37:31

monster. All right, enough on

37:33

him. Next is Rodin. Love,

37:35

flying, flying terradactyl is basically

37:37

what it is, really

37:39

cool, cool monster also

37:42

from those classic Japanese

37:44

monster movies. And last, yes,

37:46

the old US-based King Kong, I

37:48

was never really a big

37:50

King Kong fan. It's a giant

37:52

ape. I just never saw the

37:55

big appeal of the big giant

37:57

ape. But that's, that's me. Okay.

37:59

I wouldn't rank him that way,

38:01

I'm just saying. Oh, I mean,

38:04

how would you rank him? How

38:06

would you rank him in? Well,

38:08

I'm gonna rank him based on

38:10

the fact that opposable thumbs. So

38:12

King Kong, number one. I mean,

38:15

my gosh, man, how can he

38:17

not be number one? The man,

38:19

King, first off, he lives off

38:21

electricity, which I never understood, but

38:23

that's beside the point. King Kong

38:26

has opposable thumbs, he can open

38:28

up cans, he can open up

38:30

bananas, he can do all these

38:32

fun things. Then we'll go to

38:34

Godzilla, who, he's close to having

38:37

opposable thumbs, he could be arms,

38:39

and it's hard for him to

38:41

do anything and hold a can.

38:43

You know, he can't, you know,

38:45

slug one down with his fellow

38:48

monsters, and you're, for Rodan. It's

38:50

just a flying terror diagonal. He

38:52

may poop on you. What else

38:54

is he going to do to

38:56

you? It's not like he's going

38:59

to do anything else to you.

39:01

Come on. It's just a freaking

39:03

flying dinosaur bird. There you go.

39:05

Opposable firms is how Tony ranks

39:07

them. Right, Justin, what about you?

39:10

Well, I was going to do

39:12

opposable thumbs, but I guess I'll

39:14

come up with something else. So

39:16

I'm going to go with specific

39:18

favorite movies of them. Excluding monsterverse.

39:21

Just leaving the monsterverse out. Okay.

39:23

The legendary movies. No particular reason.

39:25

So I'm going to go with

39:27

first is going to be Godzilla.

39:29

I agree. Godzilla minus. I can't

39:32

remember one, right? I was ready.

39:34

It's minus one or minus one

39:36

or minus one. Minus. Minus zero

39:38

wouldn't make any sense. Minus zero.

39:40

That movie was amazing fantastic. I

39:43

really really enjoyed it. And so

39:45

yes, that was definitely a good

39:47

one. And then I'm gonna go

39:49

with King Kong. I actually really

39:51

like the remake with Jack Black

39:53

and all those folks I thought

39:56

was actually really good but the

39:58

original is such a classic also

40:00

it's like I'm a little bit

40:02

of a film buff I'm not

40:04

like a complete you know weirdo

40:07

or anything but the first one

40:09

is such a classic movie and

40:11

is so important to sort of

40:13

the history of cinema that I

40:15

think it's it's also it's both

40:18

of those but I would say

40:20

the more recent one the more

40:22

modern one The Peter Jackson one.

40:24

I actually really enjoyed it. And

40:26

then the last one's gonna be

40:29

Rodin. Perfectly fun movie. Nice can't

40:31

be movie. The traditional movie. I'm

40:33

sure he's been in other I

40:35

know he's been in other movies,

40:37

but I'm not even sure if

40:40

I've seen any other than the

40:42

original Rodin movie, which is again,

40:44

it's perfectly fine, but it's not

40:46

up there with those other two.

40:48

I know he's least likely to

40:51

most likely to terrify me as

40:53

a child in the 70s. Okay.

40:55

So least likely would be Rodin,

40:57

because I had never heard of

40:59

him, and I had no idea

41:02

what it was. So like that,

41:04

and I probably would have thought

41:06

dinosaurs were cool. You probably would

41:08

have just, oh, the sculptor, you

41:10

mean? Rodin? Yeah. I know. That's

41:13

how much I know of that

41:15

character. Then it would have been

41:17

Godzilla. And the most terrifying would

41:19

have been King Kong, because I

41:21

got that, a giant, you know,

41:24

ape. And when my was, I

41:26

have two younger brothers, my, I'm

41:28

the oldest, and the middle brother

41:30

had a, the 1976 King Kong

41:32

movie, he had like a rubber

41:35

King Kong toy that he used

41:37

to carry around, and. Both of

41:39

us would have nightmares of King

41:41

Kong and being eaten by guerrillas

41:43

and we would still continue to

41:46

play with this thing and still

41:48

continue to have nightmares and at

41:50

no point did it, you know,

41:52

my mom accidentally lose this thing.

41:54

But you know, King Kong always

41:57

had sort of this deep... seated

41:59

fear from that toy and being

42:01

a kid and the movies coming

42:03

out and then I'm like, gorilla was,

42:05

I could understand a gorilla reaching in

42:07

my window to, you know, pull me out. Plus

42:10

New York's a lot closer to you than

42:12

Tokyo, so. statistically that

42:14

is correct much more likely to

42:16

be attacked by calling absolutely yes

42:18

yeah it's a fair statement that's

42:20

a fair statement now of course

42:22

this was kind of a front-ended

42:24

question because that's going to listen

42:26

to ask you guys about a

42:28

kickstarter that you got coming up

42:31

you guys love to take old

42:33

games and remake them and you've

42:35

done it again so why don't

42:37

you tell us about it yeah

42:39

I basically begged Marty that if

42:41

we could come on because you guys

42:43

have been our sort of good luck charm

42:45

for our crowdfunding campaign. So

42:47

thank you for letting us come on

42:49

and mention it to people. Rob, I don't

42:51

know if you want to talk about the

42:54

game itself and then I'll go into the

42:56

specifics of the campaign maybe. Yeah, we've been

42:58

working on for a couple years a game

43:00

called Battle Monsters. which is a

43:03

combination in reboot, it's a restoration

43:05

as we do of battle masters,

43:07

which was in the early 1990s,

43:09

two armies fighting on a very big

43:11

board, like a twister man, sort of

43:13

size. I was often had to be

43:15

played on the floor, and it was

43:17

sort of nights, you know, soldiers versus

43:19

orks and trolls and things like that.

43:21

So that was sort of a root,

43:23

and then... We are doing it based on

43:25

the monster verse from legendary film. So

43:27

it's battle monster. So it's King Kong

43:30

and it's God's So I'm going to

43:32

let Justin go into the the deep

43:34

dive there But each person controls

43:36

a Titan and then like different factions

43:38

and you have a giant monster

43:40

fight. So you're going to be

43:42

sending your trucks and your planes and

43:45

your drones and various things to control

43:47

different parts of the board, but

43:49

the object remains to beat the snot

43:51

out of your opposing Titan You know, you

43:54

start out with kind of low level

43:56

and then everything's leveling up and there's

43:58

card play and there's dice and various

44:00

things and then the winner is the

44:02

one who defeats the enemy Titan. It

44:04

is, I don't know, it probably takes

44:07

an hour and 15 minutes, an hour

44:09

and a half to play. There's gonna

44:11

be two different games and there's gonna

44:13

be so four Titans and four different

44:15

factions that come with them with different

44:18

characters from the movies and different cards

44:20

and things that you can do and

44:22

there's four different boards. It is still

44:24

very, very big, but we've made it

44:26

you can play on a table now.

44:29

So the exact, so it's like, you

44:31

got a good sized dining room table,

44:33

you can play on this, but it's

44:35

still huge. The Titans are, I don't

44:37

remember the exact height, six, seven inches

44:39

tall, you know, next to tiny miniatures.

44:42

Yeah. The board is like two downforce

44:44

boards side by side, roughly. So, like,

44:46

three feet, three feet. We're still playing

44:48

with it, which is why I'm hedging

44:50

my bets. The dining table is about

44:53

three feet across. So we want the

44:55

board to be a little smaller than

44:57

that, so it's not quite edge to

44:59

edge on some areas. You know, so

45:01

it's 30 to 35 inches square. It's

45:04

going to fight in different places from

45:06

the movies and then the boards have

45:08

different sort of, you know, like you're

45:10

in Boston in one. And so there's

45:12

bridges and things that you have to

45:15

do. Boiler, that was Rob. For the

45:17

record, that was Rob. Yeah, well, it's

45:19

a hometown. Previously unreleased information. Okay. Boston

45:21

map. Boston is previously unknown to anyone.

45:23

Well, it could be a hypothetical. Yeah,

45:26

that's just an example of what it

45:28

could be. It could be providence, it

45:30

could be Worcester. Could be Saugus. What

45:32

about Tewksbury? Could be Tewksbury. Could be

45:34

Hewesbury. So can you say what the

45:37

four Titans are? Is that better now?

45:39

Yeah, that we've revealed. So it's funny,

45:41

I just want to preface it real

45:43

quickly. When I went to talk to

45:45

them about the license, originally the idea

45:47

was to put them in on match

45:50

somehow. And when we sort of got

45:52

down to brass tax, we're like, it's

45:54

just doesn't work like Godzilla versus... King

45:56

Arthur is like you can't see by

45:58

hands if you're not watching the video

46:01

but it's like just the scale was

46:03

way off and Battle Monster Battle Masters

46:05

was something that was sort of on

46:07

our short list for a while and

46:09

the scale just made a lot of

46:12

sense. But the two sets are one

46:14

is Godzilla versus King Gedora which is

46:16

a little bit of the original the

46:18

monster verse Godzilla King of the Monsters

46:20

movie is where those two base off

46:23

and finale takes place in Boston. just

46:25

saying that that's a fact about the

46:27

movie. And then the other set is

46:29

Kong versus Mecca Godzilla and they obviously

46:31

faced off in the Kong versus Guilla

46:34

versus Kong movie where they fought the

46:36

three of them fought but that's the

46:38

two for those that set. Yeah and

46:40

so those are the four Titans we

46:42

actually have some other surprises so you

46:45

definitely want to check out the Kickstarter

46:47

campaign if it interests you. So when

46:49

is this campaign launch? We are launching

46:51

on Hollow Earth Day. See what I

46:53

did there? April 22nd is Earth Day,

46:55

but it's Hollow Earth Day for us.

46:58

That was Susan's thing, by the way.

47:00

April 22nd. And so importantly, I want

47:02

to mention now for people are listening.

47:04

If you're at all interested, you think,

47:06

oh, I'll check it out, whatever. Go

47:09

now to just Google Kickstarter Battle Monsters.

47:11

It'll pull up the page for us.

47:13

Make sure the Restoration Games page. There's

47:15

a notify me on launch button if

47:17

you click that. If you're at all

47:20

interested, you click that. If you click

47:22

that and then you end up backing

47:24

later, you get a copy of the

47:26

game or whatever it is, you will

47:28

get a free collectors coin. So we've

47:31

done this sort of coin, these really

47:33

cool coins for all of our other

47:35

campaigns, whether it's on Match Adventures or

47:37

Thunder Road or Dark Tower. And it's

47:39

sort of become a little bit of

47:42

a signature item for us. And well,

47:44

you basically can get a free coin

47:46

if you're in a backing. I will

47:48

also mention, you'll see it on the

47:50

page there, one of the things Rob

47:52

talked about was these character cards, so

47:55

in addition to the tanks and the

47:57

planes and stuff, and then of course

47:59

the Titans, big part of these movies

48:01

is the characters, really big cast, lots

48:03

of people in them, and they're sort

48:06

of, one of the things I really

48:08

like about the movies is how they

48:10

make the humans matter. They had these

48:12

big moments, even though it's ultimately like,

48:14

you know, Godzilla is fighting Mecca, Mecca,

48:17

or whatever it might be, or whatever

48:19

it might be, right. And so the

48:21

way we do that is we have

48:23

these cards that have characters from all

48:25

the different media from the Monsterverse. And

48:28

they have these sort of one-time, big,

48:30

impactful moments in the game. So you'll

48:32

play a card, you'll choose when to

48:34

play it, and have this big impact

48:36

on the game. So you get these

48:39

characters in it, but they're not like

48:41

a teeny, eeze, wincy figure, like on

48:43

the board running around. It wouldn't really

48:45

make a lot of sense. So one

48:47

of the things. that I, first of

48:50

all, let me say this, every single

48:52

person who backs will get a free

48:54

four pack of character cards in addition

48:56

to the ones that come in the

48:58

regular game box. So every game box

49:00

comes with five characters for each faction,

49:03

so ten characters per box, twenty characters

49:05

altogether between the two boxes. In addition

49:07

to that, if you back, everyone who

49:09

backs will get this little four character

49:11

promo pack, and I got permission from

49:14

Suz to spoil this. So this is

49:16

authorized. One of the characters in the

49:18

pack, I just want to ask you

49:20

this question. How are you familiar with

49:22

any board game that has Samuel Jackson

49:25

in it? I'll wait. I don't think

49:27

so, I couldn't think of one. Him

49:29

himself? No. Okay. Oh, he's he in

49:31

this? Preston Packard from the Kong Skull

49:33

Island movie, right? He's the head of

49:36

the army unit that goes in and

49:38

that was really the one of the

49:40

first movies. The first Kong movie. We

49:42

have a character card with him on

49:44

it. So he will be in there.

49:47

So if you're Samuel Jackson fan, even

49:49

if you don't like anything else, get

49:51

it just for that cart. Oh, that's

49:53

cool. That's cool. So you mentioned the

49:55

tanks and stuff. Are those, are those

49:57

figures, miniatures? Yep. Those are figures or

50:00

miniatures. They'll be on like a little,

50:02

um, not a stand, a tray. Like

50:04

a matchbox type size. No, they're smaller

50:06

than that. Okay. Just if people play

50:08

like the things we've been using for

50:11

comps just a prototype have been from

50:13

access and allies to give you a

50:15

general sense of the scale of things.

50:17

Yeah, so you'll have a squad of

50:19

like two or three on a base

50:22

and they move together and they'll have

50:24

a little like a little health peg

50:26

when they're dead. That was one of

50:28

the challenges from a design point of

50:30

view is if it's just monsters fighting

50:33

each other, why do you need tanks

50:35

and airplanes and Samuel Jackson, you know,

50:37

Bobby, units don't mean as much, oh

50:39

they mean too much, like and then

50:41

you know how come the Titans just

50:44

don't go and step on everyone and

50:46

then you don't have to worry about

50:48

them anymore and how do the characters

50:50

matter but not matter too much and

50:52

I'm real happy with where we ended

50:55

up like it's taken a long time

50:57

to get there but everything is a

50:59

part like your units are important the

51:01

characters are important the Titans are important

51:03

like being in certain places and the

51:05

board is important and the board is

51:08

important and it plays you know pretty

51:10

briskly because at the end of the

51:12

day it's monsters punching each other so

51:14

we wanted to make sure you know

51:16

we didn't have rules that say like

51:19

rule four point two point one point

51:21

one consult the anatomy chart yeah I

51:23

won't spoil any of the details but

51:25

I will say we actually have a

51:27

brand new dice mechanic that I'm super

51:30

excited for people to see it came

51:32

out so cool it works perfectly for

51:34

this game And it's funny I was

51:36

asking Jamie from Secret Cabal who plays

51:38

a ton of these miniatures games like

51:41

if he had ever seen another game

51:43

that had a mechanic like this because

51:45

I was like it's it's one of

51:47

those ones where it's like it's hard

51:49

to believe no one came up with

51:52

this before and he couldn't think of

51:54

one so yeah it's possible so mobile.

51:56

us know if there's something out there

51:58

but there has to be someone out

52:00

there yeah I don't see it often

52:02

but I was like I remember it's

52:05

in the meeting where like it was

52:07

no on the team he's like what

52:09

if we just do this I'm like

52:11

what and then he said again I'm like what

52:13

and then he said it again I'm like yeah

52:15

that sounds cool no we didn't I'm

52:17

like someone's have to have done this before

52:20

but it works for us like not that

52:22

a dice mechanic you know mechanic needs to

52:24

be like unique in every like unique in

52:26

every game but this one's just a little

52:28

different Go ahead Tony. No, I

52:31

was going to ask. So Rob, and

52:33

your long history with board games, have

52:35

you ever, did you play the original?

52:37

Because when Mari was telling me about

52:39

this the other night and I went

52:41

out and did the old board game

52:43

geek look up on this, I had never

52:46

heard of this game. And I mean, you know.

52:48

I had heard of it, but I had

52:50

just graduated college. So I

52:52

probably wasn't playing, you know, I

52:54

didn't have a room to play

52:56

on the floor. And it would

52:58

have been strange. playing with a

53:00

four-foot game. So I didn't play

53:02

it when it came out. I was

53:05

aware of it and I knew of

53:07

it and it was designed by

53:09

Steve Baker who was my boss

53:11

at Hasbro for 10 or 12

53:14

years. He also did hero quest

53:16

and a number of other things

53:18

and now he works with us

53:21

at restoration. And so are

53:23

you his boss? What's that? I...

53:25

Are you nominally in the sense

53:27

that everyone on the team is

53:30

on paper, but I'm not going

53:32

to tell Steve what to do.

53:34

Oh, they'll say, oh, that's

53:37

kind of cool. Yeah, it's

53:39

interesting. The original game was,

53:41

I talked to Stephen about

53:43

it a little bit, and

53:45

it was originally like, it

53:48

was sort of like my

53:50

first war hammer types, like

53:52

there's... It's the chaos and

53:54

the order armies, right, or

53:56

the two armies. And he

53:58

was trying to get a little

54:01

bit more to it, but then, you

54:03

know, marketing people and the, or not

54:05

the, but the, the business people, like,

54:07

oh, you can't do this, and the

54:10

board couldn't, they want, there was this

54:12

sort of a floor war series that

54:14

they had just done. Torpedo Run was

54:16

in there. I don't know if you

54:18

remember that one. Yeah, exactly. They told

54:21

him it could, the box couldn't be

54:23

that big. So that's how he sort

54:25

of ended up at this twister mat.

54:27

But yeah, so like all we do

54:30

with all our games, like it was

54:32

really cool for kids back then, like

54:34

that's what it was sort of positioned

54:36

for, but you know, and if you're,

54:39

for pure nostalgia, you can, you know,

54:41

certainly play that, but we obviously, you

54:43

know, especially when we had the monster

54:45

verse license. We knew we were going

54:47

to make these huge miniatures. It's not

54:50

a cheap game, you know, there's a

54:52

lot of plastic in there and a

54:54

lot of gameplay, so we wanted to

54:56

make sure that that that that that

54:59

that that that that play experience. interesting

55:01

and exciting play experience out of it.

55:03

So, but no, Tony, I didn't play

55:05

it until we started working on this

55:07

game. Okay. I was just kind of

55:10

curious. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

55:12

What we like to do when we,

55:14

you know, announce we're doing it or,

55:16

you know, behind the scenes at a

55:19

convention, we, you know, like you would

55:21

run into a, hey, we're thinking of

55:23

doing this game. Did you play it

55:25

and if they said yeah, yeah, yeah,

55:28

I love I loved it like what

55:30

do you remember and we're always looking

55:32

for those things that people remember and

55:34

they say oh it was huge though

55:36

this was like it was really big

55:39

had this you know and then in

55:41

Battle Masters it had a was it

55:43

had a Battle Masters it had a

55:45

a was it a troll a giant

55:48

an ogre it was an ogre on

55:50

one side and a cannon on the

55:52

other that had sort of a special

55:54

mechanism for how it worked which was

55:56

just a little different from the regular

55:59

Godzilla. It's going to be very different

56:01

now. So have you haven't announced what

56:03

the MSRP is going to be in

56:05

the Kickstarter for each of the boxes,

56:08

right? We haven't. Honestly, we'll probably be

56:10

working on that almost up until the

56:12

day. We do, like part of it

56:14

obviously is, again, with the tariffs and

56:16

stuff, we're constantly monitoring that, seeing what

56:19

we, you know, how we're gonna deal

56:21

with that. So I certainly don't want

56:23

to announce anything yet in terms of

56:25

that. Okay, so I know things are

56:28

changing. You can buy one, you can

56:30

buy the other, I'm sure there's a

56:32

combo deal where you can get both

56:34

together sort of deal. Yeah. Looking at

56:37

your crystal ball, when are y'all wanting

56:39

to possibly ship this to backers? I

56:41

know it's like early next year. I

56:43

don't know if it's next year or

56:45

something like that. I'm usually a person

56:48

like Justin and Tell you where meetings

56:50

like we can't be late. We need

56:52

to stick to schedule all this terror

56:54

of stuff. I'm like we will have

56:57

it done when we get it done,

56:59

but it'll be next year. We are

57:01

giving ourselves now usually give or take

57:03

about a year after a Kickstarter to

57:05

deliver. We've been trying for nine months

57:08

and it would always be closer to

57:10

10 or 11 to get everything done

57:12

and this has a license or there's

57:14

extra steps and things like that. So,

57:17

you know, a year ish after. Are

57:19

you having to go back to them

57:21

to get constant approvals? There was a

57:23

game released recently where a publisher was

57:26

telling us that it was... It was

57:28

almost as much fun as a root

57:30

canal but worse, where they were constantly

57:32

having sin proofs in and proof and

57:34

proof. It was like, take a step

57:37

forward, three steps back. You know, like

57:39

they didn't catch the first one. So

57:41

I was just kind of curious, how

57:43

does that work for y'all? So it's

57:46

different for every licensor. So CDPR with

57:48

which was a completely different experience than

57:50

it's been working with Viacom. I think

57:52

I mentioned earlier. They had this, you

57:54

know, you know, huge. portal that it's

57:57

all automated and you submit stuff and

57:59

all that stuff. I will say this,

58:01

legendary has been the easiest to work

58:03

with. They've been fantastic. So I hope

58:06

this is. successful because I would love

58:08

to work with them again on something

58:10

like I mean I have I don't

58:12

even want to say it because we

58:14

have no plans for it but like

58:17

they have other properties that I would

58:19

certainly be happy to to work with

58:21

them on. They've been a real joy

58:23

to work to work with. Okay. Okay.

58:26

The miniature is going to be pre-painted?

58:28

Quick question. Not pre-painted. That will be

58:30

painted. No. Yeah. Most likely. That's usually

58:32

what we do. I think that's the

58:35

expectation here. I will say this is

58:37

pretty cool. We hadn't done this before,

58:39

but because the, especially the figures for

58:41

the Titans are so like critical to

58:43

the experience, we actually set some out

58:46

to be professionally painted on the page

58:48

so that people could see like, you

58:50

know, what you could do with them.

58:52

And we just got a couple back

58:55

and they're amazing. So I'm looking forward

58:57

to seeing what people do with that.

58:59

That's one of my favorite things about

59:01

a match is people are constantly. Posting

59:03

on social media when they paint or

59:06

even dark tower someone just painted the

59:08

other day painting the minis and seeing

59:10

what they do with them. It's a

59:12

lot of fun Sorry, I was just

59:15

actually looking up legendary pictures and what

59:17

other stuff they have Oh, they got

59:19

dune interesting Oh Pacific Rim uprising. I

59:21

mean that kind of fits in this

59:24

geez a little bit a little bit.

59:26

It's a kage you know that he's

59:28

saying anything So to kind of wrap

59:30

this up, it was April 22nd, the

59:32

launch date. I just immediately thought it

59:35

was going to be Kaise you, but

59:37

it's Titan's, okay. That's sort of like

59:39

their proprietary, or I guess, yeah, proprietary.

59:41

I would say it's sort of, they're

59:44

trying to essentially keep that proprietary to

59:46

distinguish it from just, Kaiseu, but yeah,

59:48

they call them Titan. So to kind

59:50

of wrap this up, it was April

59:52

22nd, the launch date. Yeah. There's going

59:55

to be two sets that you can

59:57

choose from. This game is two-player only.

1:00:00

No, we let me just say

1:00:02

no and leave it at that.

1:00:04

Yeah, there's more. Yeah, I don't

1:00:06

know. We probably shouldn't say more

1:00:08

than that at this point. Okay,

1:00:10

no. So at least two player.

1:00:12

Yeah, it plays 60 to 90

1:00:15

minutes 60 minutes to an hour

1:00:17

15. I mean, it's one of

1:00:19

those things, like the first time

1:00:21

you play is going to be

1:00:23

longer, but both people know what

1:00:25

they're doing 60s. Well, and because

1:00:27

of the complexity of this, we

1:00:29

have to play on tabletop simulator.

1:00:31

And we always talk about how

1:00:34

some games have a tedious tax

1:00:36

tax, like manipulating things and picking

1:00:38

up. Whenever we have a physical

1:00:40

one at the table, it goes

1:00:42

like 20 minutes faster than playing.

1:00:44

And also, as we play, as

1:00:46

designers, we can go like, blah,

1:00:48

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

1:00:50

blah, blah, blah. Sounds real good.

1:00:53

TTS tax, I like that. I

1:00:55

got a member of that. I

1:00:57

know exactly what you mean. All

1:00:59

right, so anything else to add?

1:01:01

For this big, it's going to

1:01:03

be your big launch for 2025,

1:01:05

this is kind of your big

1:01:07

one, right? That we've announced so

1:01:09

far, yeah. That we've announced so

1:01:12

far, okay, wow, okay. So we'll

1:01:14

see you in two months? Longer

1:01:16

than that. So, give you the

1:01:18

fall. Yeah. I'm just asking. Well,

1:01:20

Tony, we got one more Rankin

1:01:22

question from you. Do we really

1:01:24

need to do this? Fine. Because

1:01:26

I've got three here and I've

1:01:28

been jotting them down. You thought

1:01:31

I was writing down your stuff.

1:01:33

No, I was actually jotting down

1:01:35

my other rankums. Okay. Which would

1:01:37

be hard for me to top?

1:01:39

Yeah, but it's hard for me

1:01:41

to top bread. But, unless it's

1:01:43

peanut butter or juice butter. Tell

1:01:45

us, what can you top bread

1:01:47

with? Oh, I'm going to come

1:01:49

off like for a scump here.

1:01:52

Okay. So here it goes and

1:01:54

not that I'm, I could not

1:01:56

look at all 23 copies of

1:01:58

unmatched in it, given a lot

1:02:00

of time. But rank the following,

1:02:02

Genghis Khan, Hannibal,

1:02:05

Eric the Red. And

1:02:07

we'll start with Marty.

1:02:10

Do you need to write

1:02:12

any of these down or

1:02:14

are you good? No, I

1:02:16

got it. Yeah, so I'll

1:02:18

rank these in. People

1:02:20

I would most like

1:02:22

to meet. Eric the Red,

1:02:25

number one, biking,

1:02:27

very cool. I don't know.

1:02:29

End of Vikings. Vikings were

1:02:32

cool. Second, you know, come

1:02:34

on, riding elephants. That'd be

1:02:36

cool, see. Okay, who'd you say?

1:02:38

You said Hannibal, right? Hannibal. Hannibal.

1:02:41

Hannibal. Hannibal. Hannibal. Hannibal. Hannibal.

1:02:43

Annable rode the Alps through

1:02:45

the Pyrenees and the Alps.

1:02:47

Yes, yes. All right. So,

1:02:49

y'all know that I want

1:02:51

to make Gangus Khan. That

1:02:53

was not a very nice

1:02:55

fellow. So I'm not sure I would

1:02:58

be around after I met him saying

1:03:00

he was misunderstood He

1:03:02

was misunderstood built the wall

1:03:04

They built a wall and

1:03:06

they challenged him Just saying

1:03:08

okay, that's fair. That's fair.

1:03:10

All right. All right Justin.

1:03:13

What you got? I just heard today

1:03:15

that it was snowing where some

1:03:17

of our team members live and

1:03:19

for those who don't know I

1:03:21

live in South Florida. So I'm

1:03:23

going to rank these based on

1:03:26

Uh, temperate climate to least temperate

1:03:28

climate. Okay. So I'm gonna, I'm

1:03:30

gonna start with, um, Hannibal, uh,

1:03:33

nice warm temperate climate. Then I'm

1:03:35

gonna go to Genghis Khan, uh,

1:03:37

definitely he has an elevation issue,

1:03:39

but still within a slightly more

1:03:41

temperate zone, the way, till we

1:03:43

get to Errik the Red, which, you

1:03:46

know, I, come on. Who needs, who

1:03:48

wants to live up there? I saw

1:03:50

how these people live up in these

1:03:52

crazy places where it's like snowing and

1:03:54

April, it's, it's insane. A man settled

1:03:57

Greenland. Come

1:03:59

on. You know, keep

1:04:01

going further south. And

1:04:03

he did. Yeah, not

1:04:06

enough. Not enough alligators

1:04:08

in Greenland. Keep going.

1:04:10

All right, Mr. Davio,

1:04:12

see if you can

1:04:14

top that fine, rank

1:04:16

them based on. 100

1:04:19

temperate. Yeah, temperate. Latitudes.

1:04:21

Least valuable to most

1:04:23

valuable Scrabble names. Eric

1:04:25

Hannibal, King is com.

1:04:29

Wow. That's clever. Oh, I'm not

1:04:31

sure. Seven letter, one, two, three,

1:04:33

four, five. He's counting up the

1:04:35

letters. Okay. Well, Khan's on the

1:04:37

board. I'm sure Khan's already. Genghis

1:04:39

Khan, two G's in a K.

1:04:41

I didn't do the math, but

1:04:43

Hannibal, that's all one letter things.

1:04:45

And then Eric's four letters. A

1:04:47

bunch of files. The K's worth

1:04:50

five. That's good, something good. Okay,

1:04:52

that's an eight point name. That's

1:04:54

an eight point name right name

1:04:56

right name right there. from an

1:04:58

unmatched, but I'm gonna go to,

1:05:00

in my opinion, military genius and

1:05:02

what they were able to accomplish.

1:05:04

So that would be, Hannibal was

1:05:06

number one in what he was

1:05:08

able to do during the Punic

1:05:10

Wars and how he just, hey,

1:05:12

come on, come at me Rome,

1:05:14

what are you gonna do, right?

1:05:16

He absolutely should have had that

1:05:18

war and then he duked it

1:05:20

at the last minute. So nice,

1:05:22

nice full circle. Well done. Big

1:05:24

show. And I actually, I'll stop

1:05:26

with Justin. I know how beautiful

1:05:28

it is when a sports team

1:05:30

that you like loses. I've been

1:05:32

through it, but I couldn't help

1:05:34

with that one time. And now,

1:05:36

now I'm good. Hey, hey, Marty,

1:05:38

we just, we just got viral

1:05:40

here, but we're gonna put that

1:05:42

out on the, on the, on

1:05:44

the, on the, we do. Whatever

1:05:46

you do, do not go on

1:05:48

the interwebs to like restoration game

1:05:50

social media accounts and say he

1:05:52

duped it. No, no. That kickstarter

1:05:54

got me. Please don't make me

1:05:56

go viral. I have other things

1:05:58

I want to do with my

1:06:00

life. And then Gingus Khan overcoming.

1:06:02

the altitude overcoming the terrain overcoming

1:06:04

all that to basically conquer that

1:06:06

other continent over there and then

1:06:08

come on like I said Greenland

1:06:10

was he fighting penguins no there

1:06:12

are no penguins up there he

1:06:14

wasn't fighting anything I know they're

1:06:16

polar bears maybe yeah he was

1:06:18

polar bears or something that's pretty

1:06:20

that's pretty intense did he find

1:06:23

did he discover any other place

1:06:25

besides Greenland He might

1:06:27

have made into the Canadian maritime.

1:06:29

That's what I thought. Was it

1:06:31

Nova Scotia or Newfoundland or something

1:06:33

like that? Newfoundland. Yeah, I don't

1:06:35

know. I'm pretty sure it's Newfoundland.

1:06:38

If only we could Google this.

1:06:40

I thought that was Rodin who

1:06:42

discovered that. What's that what's that

1:06:44

name? I don't even know the

1:06:46

name of that thing. Rodin. Rodin.

1:06:48

So yeah, so those are those

1:06:51

are mine based on of course

1:06:53

their military genius and You know,

1:06:55

hey, most of my history is

1:06:57

known from watching YouTube videos on

1:06:59

oversimplified. Listen, there's been someone, there's

1:07:01

been at least one fan deck

1:07:04

for all three of those guaranteed

1:07:06

for a match. Yeah, I noticed

1:07:08

in your in your legends that

1:07:10

of the four, three of them

1:07:12

came from, what was it, design

1:07:15

deck challenges or something? Yeah. Yeah,

1:07:17

we had a contest back during

1:07:19

the lockdown of the pandemic and

1:07:21

we had, it's been so long,

1:07:23

three winners, four winners. So we

1:07:25

had two winners, two winners, but

1:07:28

so many good ones. We had

1:07:30

like eight runners up or something

1:07:32

and we are almost through all

1:07:34

the winners and runners up. It's

1:07:36

just like things just kept getting

1:07:39

bumped. So what's about it? Give,

1:07:41

give, give, give. Uh, it was

1:07:43

mostly Greenland. He didn't, he didn't

1:07:45

discover it. We just know about

1:07:47

him. All right. Yeah. So that

1:07:49

Gounbion Olson first cited Greenland. Yeah,

1:07:52

and I don't know, you know,

1:07:54

the Viking TV show, they say

1:07:56

it was kind of based on

1:07:58

Eric the Viking series. show of

1:08:00

free songs. That was a Vikings?

1:08:03

Yeah. That's what I said. Never

1:08:05

mind. Eric the Red Sun was

1:08:07

the more well-known Leaf Eric Sun.

1:08:09

Leaf Ericson. That's who I was

1:08:11

trying to think. Yeah, not Eric

1:08:13

the Red. Was it he in

1:08:16

the Bee cheese or something? Yes.

1:08:18

Leaf Garrett. Leaf. Yeah, he was

1:08:20

the one who made it to

1:08:22

Newfoundland is his son. Thank you.

1:08:24

His family destiny to just keep

1:08:26

going one island west. I was

1:08:29

close. I was just one generation

1:08:31

removed from that. That's not too

1:08:33

bad. So Erica was the first

1:08:35

successful permanent settler of Greenland. Oh,

1:08:37

okay. Okay. All right. And he

1:08:40

was there because apparently he was

1:08:42

such a colossal ahole. He was

1:08:44

banished from Norway and Gavig kept

1:08:46

just going to different places. Like

1:08:48

a little light manslaughter sort of

1:08:50

jerk. Eh. For biking, that's, you

1:08:53

know. It's in your blood. So

1:08:55

it just made me think about,

1:08:57

you talked about Rodin discovered, you

1:08:59

found, you know what you think,

1:09:01

so legendary pictures, the monster verse

1:09:04

has a lot of other monsters,

1:09:06

I know you can't say anything

1:09:08

yet, but I mean there's other

1:09:10

guys in there, there's Mothra, and

1:09:12

there was some other people in

1:09:14

the movie, so again, April 22nd,

1:09:17

if you want to see maybe

1:09:19

one of your favorite monsters shows

1:09:21

up, because I believe in, was

1:09:23

the king of the monsters where

1:09:25

like every monster showed up? Didn't

1:09:28

row dance up in there to

1:09:30

be clear there these figures are

1:09:32

super big So just said okay,

1:09:34

so maybe no flying Caterpillar or

1:09:36

anything like that or a big

1:09:38

mall. So we'll see Oh So

1:09:41

anyway guys, it has been fantastic

1:09:43

having you on again. We've I

1:09:45

can't remember the last I mean

1:09:47

the first time we were had

1:09:49

you on is years ago years

1:09:51

ago. I know we've had Rob

1:09:54

on many times probably even pre-restoration

1:09:56

games. I believe Yeah, the last

1:09:58

time I think we were on

1:10:00

is when we had a design

1:10:02

retreat down in North Carolina two

1:10:05

years ago. And we did a

1:10:07

food tasting test. He came over

1:10:09

and we did a food thing

1:10:11

and I ate liver mush, liver mush,

1:10:13

which wasn't that bad. It was the.

1:10:15

Boiled peanuts that I'm still look at

1:10:17

all the blood pressure pill behind me.

1:10:19

That's from one boiled peanut Yeah, my

1:10:21

favorite comment was why is everything brown

1:10:24

on this plate? Yeah, you eat with

1:10:26

your eyes for what my eyes are

1:10:28

saying now is no. Thank you. I

1:10:30

think this is the it's so funny.

1:10:32

So my wife Vanessa when I got

1:10:34

groceries night and she says here I

1:10:36

got some liver musch case you want

1:10:38

to make a sandwich sometimes. So there

1:10:40

you go. It's a staple food in

1:10:42

the Connell household. I just have It

1:10:44

was more like the name liver motion

1:10:46

knowing it's over the actual taste

1:10:49

was delightful. Yeah, it's uh, it's

1:10:51

very sausage-like. So yeah, you can put

1:10:53

it between two sourdough slices, it's really good.

1:10:55

Hey, I need to try that sometime, make

1:10:57

me some homemade sourdough, bring it to game

1:11:00

night, and I'll let you know how it

1:11:02

is. Okay, done, done. I brought a full circle.

1:11:04

Yeah, it's professional right there. What cons we

1:11:06

all be at this year, case people want

1:11:08

to come and see, and see, and check

1:11:11

out all your games and everything. Well, we'll

1:11:13

be at Origins and GenCon for sure. I'll

1:11:15

personally be at Dice Tower East. It's right

1:11:17

up the road for me. So we will

1:11:19

also be at Paxun Plugged at the end

1:11:21

of the year. Those are the three that

1:11:24

we pretty much go to every year and

1:11:26

then various members of the team

1:11:28

go to other conventions sort of informally.

1:11:30

We're always looking to see if there's a

1:11:32

fourth one we want to add in or drop

1:11:34

one or move one around, but we've been

1:11:37

on that rotation for those three for those

1:11:39

three for about six years. Yeah, one of

1:11:41

these years, so my, as I mentioned, my

1:11:43

older daughter, my youngest daughter is going off

1:11:45

to college, I'll officially be an empty nester

1:11:48

come August, and I, we don't know, we talked

1:11:50

a couple of times, but either Southern Fried

1:11:52

Game Expo or Tantrum Con, I'm definitely

1:11:54

going to try and make one of these years,

1:11:56

so. Yeah, this year, Southern Friday is, same

1:11:59

time as Origins. I know yeah, it's

1:12:01

because the all-star games in Atlanta

1:12:03

so they had to had to

1:12:05

move it to avoid because the

1:12:07

hotel is right beside the the

1:12:09

brave stadium and that's where everybody's

1:12:11

at. I'll even I'll even offer

1:12:13

a bedroom at Marty's or mine

1:12:15

if you come to tantrum con

1:12:17

because it's in Charlotte. Or would

1:12:19

you stay at the hotel? It's

1:12:21

a lot easier. I mean, you're...

1:12:23

Or that, yeah. Well, I'll drive

1:12:25

you. Well, if I want liver

1:12:27

mush, Tony. I'll take care of

1:12:29

you. Hey, you can get that

1:12:31

at the hotel. There's a restaurant

1:12:33

that we go to every year

1:12:35

that's right across the street from

1:12:37

Charlotte Hornets Arena that has liver

1:12:39

mush. So I got you set.

1:12:41

It's a soul food place of

1:12:43

some of the best fried chicken

1:12:45

you'll ever have. All right, I

1:12:47

like that. Yeah, yeah, every time

1:12:49

I take somebody there, they're just

1:12:51

super impressed with what they have

1:12:53

there. All right, so you're going

1:12:55

to be at Origins and GenCon.

1:12:57

By chance, will Battle Monsters, we

1:12:59

have demos of that game at

1:13:01

those conventions. Yeah, we should have

1:13:03

demos at both Origins and GenCon

1:13:06

for sure. Yep. Excellent. Excellent. And

1:13:08

finally, if people want to follow

1:13:10

your own social media. where can

1:13:12

they where can they find you

1:13:14

so they can keep a track

1:13:16

of the kickstarter or other news?

1:13:18

Sure I want to mention also

1:13:20

we've been working on our website

1:13:22

and if you haven't been in

1:13:24

a while we revamped it and

1:13:26

they're working on it constantly it's

1:13:28

really coming along nicely that's restoration

1:13:30

games.com obviously I'm still on Twitter

1:13:32

I'm lingering there but it gets

1:13:34

harder every day I'm not going

1:13:36

to lie it's at restoration game

1:13:38

also on Blue Sky which I

1:13:40

find a little bit more enjoyable

1:13:42

it's just Basically like Twitter without

1:13:44

the crazy bots, which were also

1:13:46

restoration games. And then I think

1:13:48

technically we have a Facebook account,

1:13:50

but I don't use it. So

1:13:52

I wouldn't I wouldn't go there.

1:13:54

Affiliate Justin. I know. There's a

1:13:56

really good Facebook group. The unmatched

1:13:58

community over there is really good.

1:14:00

The dark tower community is good.

1:14:02

So. And obviously I should mention

1:14:04

our discord too. I think we

1:14:06

have a link to that on

1:14:08

our website I'm pretty sure but

1:14:10

yeah you can find our restoration

1:14:12

games discord is actually really hopping

1:14:14

Johnny you might say and especially

1:14:16

like for a match but everything

1:14:19

else is on there too so

1:14:21

excellent all right Guys, thank you

1:14:23

once again. And if everybody out

1:14:25

this listening or watching, thank you

1:14:27

for doing that. This is the

1:14:29

first time that we've done the

1:14:31

rank of like this. It's like

1:14:33

its own format. It's on episode.

1:14:35

If you like this and would

1:14:37

like to see some more, let

1:14:39

us know. Come on our Discord

1:14:41

channel or let us know on

1:14:43

social media. It's like, hey, that's

1:14:45

cool. I like I have the

1:14:47

guest in here. Kind of integrate

1:14:49

the rank of questions into the

1:14:51

episode. And maybe we will. be

1:14:53

there. We'll be doing our strike

1:14:55

term in it again. I know

1:14:57

that is super crazy, super busy,

1:14:59

but always know that we'll have

1:15:01

two seats for you if you

1:15:03

want to come. Thank you. For

1:15:05

sure. Nobody took us up on

1:15:07

the invite, Tony. You see that?

1:15:09

It's always, it's always, there's always,

1:15:11

GenCon's gotten so bananas these days.

1:15:13

GenCon is just a giant business

1:15:15

meeting with time for games. I

1:15:17

haven't played a game at GenCon,

1:15:19

a 10 years. Oh, that's what

1:15:21

we can still go out on

1:15:23

the field and do a pickup

1:15:25

game. That's fine. We'll do that.

1:15:27

You said you could play pick

1:15:30

up baseball. We'll do it then.

1:15:32

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