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The best women's soccer players in the world
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play in WPS, and the best
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of the very best are here today in Rochester.
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This was something Sinead Farley couldn't
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even have imagined as a little kid,
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watching us 99ers win the World Cup. It
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was her rookie year in the Women's
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Professional Soccer League, and her
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team, the Philadelphia Independents, made
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it to the finals. The Flash and
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the Independents, the 2011
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WPS Championship
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game is underway. They
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are awesome. Scrappy, hardworking,
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and tough as hell. They don't have
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the star power of the other teams, but
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they have the fight. And
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they have two-time
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coach of the year, Paul Reilly. Don't underestimate
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the importance of good coaching. Paul
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Reilly, figuring the right way to advance
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throughout the season. The stands are packed
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and the crowd is lively. It's
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tied at zero, and neither team
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wants to give an inch. When the
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game is unexpectedly stopped.
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The entire WPS Championship game
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is on hold for a squirrel who
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has taken complete control of the 18. As
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they chase the squirrel around trying to trap
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it in a box, the camera cuts to Abby
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Wambach on
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the sidelines. She's a local
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legend in Rochester, a star
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on the U.S. Women's National Team and on her
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WPS team, which just got eliminated
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by Philly in the semifinals. Abby,
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how does it feel? A fantastic year so
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far. With the World Cup,
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you had great success. The national
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team had just returned from the 2011 World
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Cup, where they made it to another final.
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They lost to Japan, but their performance
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had reignited interest in women's soccer.
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Now she was there trying to direct some of
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that World Cup attention towards the league. Because
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she and everyone in it knew it was precarious.
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You know, it's a celebration of soccer today. I
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think that the WPS is a great avenue
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for people to get out and see not just stars from
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the U.S., but stars from all over the world.
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This was now the... second attempt at
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a women's professional league since the US's 99
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World Cup win. The first
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league folded after just a few years, and
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at this point it was clear that the WPS
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was also in danger of sinking.
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But that was the last thing on Sinead's mind. She
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was having a great season. She'd
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been a starting midfielder in every game until
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a recent injury. But Paul Riley
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had gotten her back into shape in time to
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start her in the final. Sinead
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had never heard of him before being drafted, but she learned quickly. In the
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league,
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he
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had a kind of cult following. The
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way that players talked about him, the way he was
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with his coaching staff, like he was at the
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top. He made all the rules.
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Everyone listened. Everyone respected him. He
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was in full power. Paul
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demanded excellence. Held them
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to the highest standards. He drilled
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players over and over until they
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did everything exactly as
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he wanted. He ran them hard
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too. It was brutal. But
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Sinead wanted to be pushed. She
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was all in.
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I definitely put him on a pedestal
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and I wanted him to like me. I wanted
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him to play me, obviously. Yeah,
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I wanted to like prove myself to him
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and be in his good graces. And
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it felt like that's where you had to be.
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And she was. Sinead was
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having the season any rookie would dream
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of. A starting position in a championship
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game and a coach who really believed
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in her and had the power to make
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her
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a superstar.
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But he also had the power to manipulate
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her and to take it all away.
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young players mentally too, with
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that same intensity. We were winning
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1-0 in the state cup final and there
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was a ball over the top and a girl was running on and I just
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came flying and took her out, got a red card,
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got kicked out of the game, walked over to the bench, had never
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had a red card in my life so I didn't even know what to
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do. I was crying on the bench and I
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looked up at him and he said, don't look at me, you have to go over
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there. And I had to go in the bleachers. And then
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we lost 7-1. And
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after the game he was like, you remember
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this. But one mistake does.
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I still have like the silver medal in my
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childhood room with a post-it on it that
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says, never forget. And I
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was just like, I'll never let this happen again.
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But for every criticism, Paul would also
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lavish praise on Michelle. Once
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she got into high school and got her own cell phone,
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he text her. This stuff he was texting
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me was literally like how
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much of a star I was, what my future was.
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You have the world at your feet and at your hands.
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But Paul's feedback wasn't always constructive.
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He could be an asshole and he would say terrible things
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to the players on my team. I mean, say
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like to a 15-year-old girl, like you
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would win that header in the midfield if you didn't have
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the refrigerator on your ass. Or
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a minute on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.
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There are plenty of girls on our team with eating disorders.
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Another girl on my club team who's having heart palpitations
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because all she drank was diet shakes all day.
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We would just be like, how little can
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we eat at lunch? And I'd just have a salad.
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And that's like what we knew.
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Obviously it's dangerous for a coach to
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talk like that to anyone, but especially
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with teenage girls. I mean,
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to me, as a coach, if you feel like
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your players are coming in unfit, then run
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them more. Don't degrade them.
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Because it's their nature as driven athletes
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to be obsessive. That's what it takes.
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So how a coach channels that ambition,
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it's vital.
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know if there's a way to convey that desperation
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that we feel, except that like it's everything.
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How much can you put up with how much can you sacrifice
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to achieve the dream? And it's
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unfortunately not just like the hours you put in
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on the field.
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You see this light at the end of the tunnel, but it's
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not just in your control. Actually,
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so much of it is out of your control. There's
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this whole pathway and you need to play consistently
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and you need to play well and you need to
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have your coaches speaking well of you.
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Like if your coach wants you to text him back, you're going to
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text him back.
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If they're making you feel uncomfortable, but you're
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getting on the field, okay.
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We are just living in sacrifice every
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day for this one thing. And
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there's usually one man at the head of it that controls
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it.
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Michelle's right.
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The truth is men have always been the gatekeepers
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in women's soccer.
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Even when we make gains, the men often
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come out on top.
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Remember title nine, the landmark
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bill that poured money into girls and women's
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sports. Well, that also
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meant better paying coaching jobs. And
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guess who got those jobs?
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The higher up the chain of command you went,
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the less likely you were to find a woman at
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the table. Athletic directors,
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investors, lead commissioners, the
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head of US Soccer Federation, historically,
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overwhelmingly men. And
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to be fair, some of those men were great.
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I mean, I owe my career to some fantastic
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male coaches, but we
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were still women playing
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soccer in a man's world. This
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is how it's always been. The 99ers
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had broken through that boys club and
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given Michelle and Sinead and all the little
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girls hope that they too could be taken
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seriously as players. But
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still, we were rarely considered for any
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position of
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real power. And
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not just that, an undercurrent of sexism
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followed us everywhere we went,
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one that focused more on our physical appearances
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than our achievements.
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You could see it in headlines like the
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babe factor in soccer team success
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or talented and sexy US
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team has it all. David Letterman
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called us soccer mamas when we all
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went on his show.
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But women's soccer never had enough support
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from sponsors or fans. So
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the league was always operating on a shoestring
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budget
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with most players at the bottom of the pay
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scale.
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In her rookie season with the WPS, Sinead,
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the number two draft pick, says she
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signed a contract for about $15,000. So
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she stayed in her hometown. I agreed
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to live at home with my parents. It
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was just like, I'll just deal with the money that
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I have. I can afford to buy food and
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that's all I care about.
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I talked to Sinead about this because I lived
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it too. I played a season
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for the Washington Freedom and during
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home games we had to share locker room
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space with high school volleyball players.
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You're living your dream and you're
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playing pro but you're
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like, this was my dream? Yeah,
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like this is it? It seemed like
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I thought it was going to be. Everyone
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is acting out of survival mode. You know,
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the culture too of pro is like, if
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you're not going to do it, there's going to be someone else that's going to come
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in and do it. And so
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you're trying to survive, you're trying to hold on to this dream.
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Sinead had wanted to go pro so badly
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that she left college before graduating
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to play at the top level of women's soccer
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in the country.
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In the world even.
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But in a lot of ways, it felt like a step down.
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It was a big transition. Yeah, especially
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coming from lots.
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of funding, lots of high
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level facilities, weight
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rooms, all these specialized
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coaches to a
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pro league that you would think in your mind
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should be another step up, but
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dramatically not that at
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all. And then the constant
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feeling
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of being labeled pro,
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but not feeling like it at all on
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any way, shape or form. There's a sense
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of we just need to be grateful
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that we have a job at all because
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there's complaining among
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the team a lot, like, why don't we have this, like
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basic necessities, but no one
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actually saying things. And
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some older players, I remember them like
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trying to justify why we
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had to just accept what we had. It was like,
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we're still trying to make it work. We
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want the fans, we want
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little girls to still want to aspire
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to be here. If we're
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really talking about what's happening behind the scenes,
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no one's going to come watch us. No one's
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going to want to play pro. We
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didn't want to ruin that dream. It was like ruining
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little girls dreams.
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So let's pretend that this
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is amazing. Let's just be grateful
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that we're here, that we're getting paid and we have
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a feel to show up to.
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That field, by the way, was the
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exact same place she had practices
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during her club days in high school.
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It wasn't what she had imagined, but it
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was playing pro soccer. So
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what if she had to make some sacrifices
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along the way? But
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the national team was different. We
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were paid more, but also we could get
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endorsements. So when national team
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players went back to their league team locker rooms,
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the difference was palpable. Probably
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every girl that plays in the end of ESL has dreamed
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of playing on the US national team.
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Michelle Betos again.
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We'd play a game like what's the craziest thing you would do to be
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on the national team? What's the craziest thing you would do
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to whatever? And it's like, got bad. sports
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are cutthroat as it is because you always want more and you
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want to play and you want to start. But I think it's this almost
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other level of cutthroat because it's like you're
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fighting to literally have a livable wage.
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Here, if you're not making on the
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higher tier of a salary,
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your entire life is a sacrifice. You're
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probably not having a family because you can't support
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one. You may be working another job.
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Like I needed a car and I
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bought a car for $500 on Craigslist that
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didn't have a roof. Like it had rusted off.
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They called it rusty and I
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didn't have a gas gauge so I just run out of gas like all
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the time.
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And the discrepancy between like being
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the 20th player on the national
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team and the 21st that doesn't make the roster
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like your lives are night and day.
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But even in this highly competitive environment,
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Sinead stood out.
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Partway
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through her rookie year, she got called
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up to the national team training camp.
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The World Cup was coming up pretty soon. Erika
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Walsh was the assistant of the
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U.S. team at that time and she had come to
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the game to get me. And
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she was like, Lindsay Tarpley just got
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her and we think he'd be a good fit.
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I'm going to take you to camp with me. I know
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it's last minute, but I figured I would just like come
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get you and bring you with me.
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This
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was a huge opportunity for Sinead,
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not just because of the pay, but because of the game.
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She'd be playing on an international stage among
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the world's very best. She
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thought Paul would be delighted.
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He was really upset that
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they came and took me without
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telling him.
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Paul had sent other players to the national team, but
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with Sinead, it was different. I
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felt this divide like I had to choose
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between the U.S. team and Philly. Like where
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does your loyalty lie Sinead? No
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competitive coach wants to give up one of their strongest
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players during the season,
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but the league isn't the end of the line. If
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you have a great player, you want
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them to improve their skill set to grow,
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to have a chance to compete and represent
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their country on a global stage. Sinead
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ended up going to camp, but her heart
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wasn't in it. She didn't really connect
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with the team, and the whole time,
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she felt like she was betraying Paul and her
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teammates in Philly.
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When the U.S. national team later called
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her to offer her a spot on the World
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Cup squad, she said
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no. I remember
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when I turned down the national team, being
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like, I can't wait to tell Paul, like, he's
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gonna be so proud of me, and he was.
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Sinead's mom was confused. The
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national team had always been her daughter's
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dream,
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but Paul assured her that it was Sinead's
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choice to stay with Philly.
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It was where she was happy, where
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she belonged. She wanted to stay here,
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and he made it sound like, oh, we're
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taking such good care of her, and we've got this
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great team.
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That just took him at face value. He
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seemed like a great guy and
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a great coach who clearly saw something
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in her daughter and was invested in her
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success. I really enjoyed
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being with Paul. Like, he was good fun, but I
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mean,
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I didn't really know him as a person other than every
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time I saw him, he would arm
17:23
around, and oh, how's it going? And we're taking
17:25
such good care of Sinead, and she's doing this,
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and she's doing that, and she's great.
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But there
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was something Janelle found odd. With
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Sinead living at home, she noticed dramatic
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changes in her daughter. She was
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training really hard, but also partying
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harder than ever, and Paul was
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part of that too. That
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would have been the one thing
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I didn't care for with Paul, that
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he was so involved
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in the whole drinking with
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the players.
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friend
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went to meet up with Sinead. The team
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had gone to a bar to celebrate, and
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Paul was there.
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He
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made it his business
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to know a lot about his players,
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especially during late nights at the bars.
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He had a way of asking about sensitive
18:49
details. One night Sinead
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even told him about the abusive relationship
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she'd been trying to get out of for years. And
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there was something else. He
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had comments about
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how I could get any guy I wanted, and just comments
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like that. But I didn't think
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it was weird. That just felt
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normal within the culture. Sometimes
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he would say those things to me or
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one or two other players while other people were
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around. You're watching
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how everyone else is reacting, and it's just
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laughter. And be like, ha ha,
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okay. Just trying to like
19:27
not reject your coach.
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At the time Sinead was a 21 year old
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rookie.
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Paul was 47 and married.
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The sexual comments were uncomfortable
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at times, but also, on
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this team anyway, normal. I've
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already been through college. I've already been
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sexualized by men
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and objectified and had to
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laugh my way through a bunch of comments
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like that before. I knew how
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to not upset
19:55
a man, neutralizing
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the situation almost. Stay
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with us. Sinead
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had passed up the chance of a lifetime
20:06
to play for the national team. And when
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Philly made it to the league championships, it
20:10
felt like maybe she'd made the right decision.
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It wasn't the World Cup, but this team,
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this coach, they were her family. The
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championship game was intense. And
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even though Philly was the underdog going in,
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they held the Western New York Flash at
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0-0 through the first half.
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Then,
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in the 64th minute, New
20:38
York scores. And
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is up by one. Until
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the final minutes of the game. When
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Philly's Amy Rodriguez equalizes
20:47
and sends the game into overtime.
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The game is still tied after overtime. And
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so the championship will be decided on
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penalty
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kicks. After the
21:06
first four kickers, it comes down
21:08
to Philly's Laura Del Rio. She
21:11
steps up to take the kick.
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The
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kick is blocked. New
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York wins. 2011 WPS
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champions.
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Sinead and her teammates are gutted.
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It was just really, really tough. I
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just remember feeling so defeated,
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like mentally, emotionally, physically.
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Our owner rented out a bar for us. We
21:41
had food and free drinks. And
21:44
it was like a celebration of our season, slash
21:47
like a drowning of our sorrows and how
21:50
just upset we were. Eventually,
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everyone decided to head back to the hotel and
21:57
keep the party going in the lobby.
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went back together to the hotel, like coaches,
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staff, members on the team, we all
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stuffed into this van. And everyone's
22:07
not looking. We're all just trying to fit 30 people,
22:09
basically, in one 15-passenger van. So
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everyone's squishing. All the seats are already done.
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So I'm squishing back to go in the back row. And
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Paul's sitting there. People are already sitting on people's
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laps. So I'm now sitting on his
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lap.
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Paul grabbed me just around
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my hips.
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My stomach dropped. And
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I felt really uncomfortable. I
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was trying to see if anyone else
22:42
saw. I
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felt claimed in that moment.
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He had made up his mind and
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took it to the next step by actually touching
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me.
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It had made it real. I could blow
22:58
off the comments. And there was still
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that boundary there that it wasn't physical.
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And there was this line cross. This
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doesn't feel right. Yet
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I feel powerless. Like, I don't have a choice.
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That I have to do what he says. That I can't reject
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him in this moment. It would rupture
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any relationship I have with him, and
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hence, like, my career, but also
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change the mood of our whole team hanging out right
23:23
now and causing an issue.
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I
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had no power to be like, don't touch
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me there. That feels uncomfortable.
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That was like such a pivotal moment. Sorry.
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It like flashes through my brain.
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Because it just felt like the moment I felt
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completely imprisoned.
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It was like this decision had been
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made by him.
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and I couldn't go back on it.
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And yeah, that was the
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same night that we had sex. Paul
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Riley later denied ever having a sexual
24:20
relationship with Sinead, but
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she remembers things very differently.
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She says that the day after, she
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felt ashamed, violated
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even, but also sad
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because that relationship she had with Paul
24:37
as her coach, her advocate, her
24:39
mentor, it would never be the
24:41
same, but it
24:43
was done.
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And now this coach with all the power
24:48
had even more.
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He held the secret that
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she felt could destroy her. She
24:55
didn't tell anyone what happened. And
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a few months later, under the weight of some
25:00
internal conflicts and financial strain, the
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league folded. Two
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leagues in less than 10 years had collapsed.
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The reality was that leagues come and
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go, but powerful coaches remain.
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They are the ones who train you, play
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you, help you chase your dream.
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They hold the keys.
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The league wouldn't take care of her, but Paul would. And
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so Sinead would keep quiet for
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now.
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Next time on Counterattack,
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Paul moves on to a new league, a
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new team, and a new player.
25:42
I could not believe that I was in that position.
25:45
We're not talking about soccer. This
25:47
is absolutely not someone I'm attracted
25:49
to, but he is taking me on a date.
25:54
But this time, she has no
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intention of keeping quiet.
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There is a lot of information online about sexual
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grooming, including how to recognize the
26:14
warning signs and what to
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do if you or someone you know is
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being groomed for an abusive relationship. Counterattack
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is hosted by me, Brianne Scurry. Jessica
26:28
Pupovack is our senior producer. Josie
26:32
Holtzman is our lead producer. Carly
26:34
Perruccio is associate producer. Our
26:37
editors are Rachel Ward and Michael
26:39
Garofalo. Liz Boyd
26:41
is our fact checker. Merit Jacob
26:43
is our engineer. Production
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support from Megan Coyle, Sarah McCrory
26:47
and Sylvie Douglas. Special
26:50
thanks to Victor Bueller, Chelsea Murata,
26:53
Kevin Sullivan, Joe Levin and
26:55
Dana Hooper.
26:57
Our executive producers are Gotham Chopra,
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Amit Sankaran and Adam Schlossman.
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Counterattack is a production of Religion
27:09
of Sports and PRX. If
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you like what you hear, please follow us, subscribe
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and leave us a review at ROS Presents
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Counterattack. From
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PRX.
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