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She was a solid player, but not too flashy.
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And when the NWSL draft came around in 2013, she
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got passed up. So instead,
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she headed to an open tryout with the Portland
2:09
Thorns. There, her future would
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be decided by her new coach, soccer legend,
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Cindy Parlour-Cone. Mona just
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stuck out to me and she was just such a
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young kid right out of college and
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just such a great sense of humor,
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never took herself too seriously except
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on the soccer field. She
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made the team, and this undrafted
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rookie, somehow against the odds, found
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herself starting
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in her very first professional
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game. To
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go from an open tryout to
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starting on a pro team and
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not only starting, but significantly
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contributing, just speaks volumes
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to Mona in her personality.
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She's this, like, fearless
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woman. Fans loved
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Mona Shim, the fearless woman.
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What a ball by Mona Shim! Goal boards! The
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finish this time from who
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else? Mona Shim! And
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there's a goal! Mona Shim for the fourth
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straight game by Rebecca
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De Nis! The way
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the fans would come to our games and support us
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felt like a dream. Portland
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already had a hugely popular men's
3:25
team. The Timbers. So
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the Thorns had built-in fan support
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and immediately drew huge crowds. And
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those Portland fans were organized. They
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called themselves the Rose City Riveters. They
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made elaborate banners, sang chants, and gave
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goal-scores bouquets of roses. Mona
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had never
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experienced anything like it. Every
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time I got off the field, I wanted more. I
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was like, that was so fun, can we do it again? Like, right
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now? The
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Thorns made it all the way to the NWSL Championship
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where Mona started the game and played the full 90
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minutes. When the Thorns beat...
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the Western New York Flash
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2-0, she became a champion. It
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was definitely the best year I ever
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had playing soccer. It was just so fun.
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Mauna exceeded all expectations
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and the league exceeded hers. She
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had a winning season, a competitive team,
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a supportive fan base, and a great
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coach. This was the promise
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of 99, what we all imagined
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a pro league would look and feel like. But
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then after the season ended, Cindy
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resigned for family reasons.
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A few days later, the Thorns announced the new
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head coach.
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I didn't know much about him other than that
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he was the coach for the Philadelphia
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independence before the WPS
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bowl did. Her new coach
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would be Paul Riley.
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I'm Brianna Scurry, and from Religion
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of Sports and PRX, this
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is Counter Attack. Stay
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with us. The
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WPS
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After the NWSL's first season, the
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league expanded to add another team, the
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Houston Dash. Houston was allowed
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to poach players from other teams to build their
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roster, players who weren't protected
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by their coaches, and they chose Mauna.
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She loved her life in
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Portland. She did not want to go to Houston.
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I kind of took a firm stance and was
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like, well, I'm at least going to make it known that I
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don't want to go. And if I have to,
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then I will. But
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I might as well try to see if I
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can stay in Portland. She
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never spoken to the
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new coach before, but she got his
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phone number from a teammate and decided to call
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him to ask for help. I said,
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hey, will you keep me or
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somehow get me back because I'd love to play
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for this team. And I hear you're
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a great coach. He
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told her he'd try. A week later,
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the Thorns gave up their first pick in the
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college draft to keep Mona on the team. So
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Mona Shim was staying in Portland, and
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she had Paul Riley to thank. Getting
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Mona back was fantastic. I know she's
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excited I spoke to her already since the draft.
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But under Paul, season number two was
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different. Mona lost
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her starting spot. Now she was
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a late-game sub. Which by
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itself would have been fine, but Mona says
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Paul made getting benched somehow feel personal.
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He was really volatile.
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Like, I've never heard someone not
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even yell. He would rip
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players, just rip people
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apart. Like, I was too
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heavy that I wasn't fast enough.
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And he would say really fucking
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weird analogies. Like, you're slower
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than my grandma and she's been dead for so
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many or whatever. Like, there
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wasn't any player who I think
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escaped his criticism and his
7:02
lashing out, I would say. Like, he
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lashed out at everyone at some point. But
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he had favorites. And
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Sinead was that player the first year.
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Paul had traded away his first draft
7:18
pick to keep Mona on the Thorns.
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He traded his second pick to reunite
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with midfielder Sinead Farley.
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You could just tell he was sort
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of obsessed with her. He said
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her name with the most frequency. Like, he
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called her Shay. And so
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much of it was like, be more like Shay
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or do this or look at Shay. At
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the same time, he was very critical of
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her. And if she made a mistake,
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he would make her know
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that she made a mistake in front of the whole group.
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I was kind of like in awe of her, but
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I also didn't envy her because
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he was so focused
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on her, like hyper focused on her, and
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also her personal life.
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Like, you could tell they had a history.
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He talked to her differently.
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And he acted like he had this
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really close relationship with her, but it was
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clear to me that she was kind of like putting
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up a boundary.
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Of course, Mona didn't know what had happened
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between Sinead and Paul. No one did.
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But Mona didn't think too much about it. She
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was just focused on winning her starting spot
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back. He knew I wanted to
8:24
be in that position. And
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he was basically like, if you take your career
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seriously and in the offseason training with
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Sinead and getting fit with Sinead, he could see
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me being a core part of the team.
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She spent the offseason doing exactly what Paul
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suggested, training with Sinead. The
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two of them grew close.
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We trained pretty much every day in the offseason.
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I'd done everything Paul asked me to do.
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And so I showed up and I was ready to go.
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Paul noticed. He spoke with reporters
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after the first preseason practice.
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We got a good group and I think in a place like Mona
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Shim have come in really prepared, completely
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different from 12 months ago. Paul
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had gone from barely acknowledging her during
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training sessions to giving her the feedback
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and attention he only reserved
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for his favorites.
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Now he said her name alongside
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Sinead's.
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Mona was a starter again. Good
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crossing to the box, falls for Mona Shim! It's
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2-0! It's
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a great finish for Mona Shim.
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You were either in the in crowd or the out crowd. And
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it was very clear that I was now in the in
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crowd.
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And being in that group was
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like,
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I don't know, you're proud to be in that group. You felt
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like you really worked hard and earned it. And
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Paul saw you in a positive light.
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He wanted to talk to me all the time about film,
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about our shape. Like
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he would text me things that were positive.
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And I saw other people
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in the position I was in the previous year.
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Moana felt like she was playing some of her best
10:02
soccer ever.
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Paul was pushing her and it was working.
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But in a lot of
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ways, she missed Cindy's coaching
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style. Cindy's conversations
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were always related to soccer.
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His check-ins were like he was prying
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and just had like an interest
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that went beyond what kind of a player
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I was.
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He started with praise and
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he used that
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attention as
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sort of like a gateway
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and then started talking to me about my relationship. It
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was hard to say how he got from A to B, but
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this is not comfortable and
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now I'm saying things that I don't really wanna
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talk to you about,
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but I couldn't pinpoint exactly when that happened
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because he was so good at it.
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One night after a home game, Paul joined the
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rest of the team at a bar.
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He put down his card and bought drinks for everyone,
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classic Paul.
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He spent the night fixated on Moana and
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Sinead, who had recently dated a woman.
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He was asking us inappropriate questions the whole night.
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Have you guys ever kissed? Have you ever like
11:14
hooked up? I room you together and
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you're both attractive women. Are
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you really lesbians? If you are, like then
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you must have kissed before.
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Sinead and Moana were the last players left
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at the bar. They still needed to get
11:29
their gear from the stadium and Paul lived in
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that direction anyway, so they walked together.
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We really had to go to the bathroom because we were drinking
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all night and there was nowhere
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to use the bathroom along the way, so we went
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up to his apartment.
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Paul offered them more drinks. He
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like turned on music and asked me if I would dance
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with him and just
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like came up behind me and put his hands on my hips.
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She could overlook his comments, but
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now,
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just like he had with Sinead in the van. he
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was crossing a physical boundary. He
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wasn't that drunk, but it was like the playfulness
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and the way he asked questions
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that you couldn't really challenge
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him on because it was like, oh no, I'm
12:13
just being playful. Come on, stop
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making a big deal about it.
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He put his hands on Mano when she didn't want
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that. And just like Sinead, she
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didn't feel like she could tell her coach to stop.
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You don't really know what else to do then to
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laugh it off. Like it's just very
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clearly unprofessional. But at
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the same time, like you don't want to make it a big deal because
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if you make it a big deal, then you're
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challenging him. And when you challenge
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someone like that, it usually doesn't end
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well for you.
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Sinead and Mano had enough. When
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Paul went to the bathroom,
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they wanted to make a break for it. We
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were like, we have to get out of here. And
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we put our drinks down, went to the door and we're
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kind of like, how did we walk out while
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he's in the bathroom? Like, no, he'll hate us for that. We won't
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be on his team anymore.
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They were standing by the door, ready to attempt
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a graceful exit when Paul came out.
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We both had partners. So we were like, we have
13:09
to go home or tired. We were trying, you know,
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whatever excuse we could come up with. He
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was kind of like playing with us.
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Like, oh, you're leaving already? Like you just got
13:19
here, sort of a thing. There definitely
13:21
was this understanding of
13:23
like Paul wanted more. And
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it was us kind of
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in whatever ways we could sending
13:31
the message of, no,
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we can't.
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And then he floated the idea of like,
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if we kiss,
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what could we get from that?
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If we kissed in front of him, our team wouldn't
13:44
have to run the suicide mile.
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The suicide mile is when you run back and
13:50
forth on the touch lines as fast as you can. It's
13:53
pretty brutal. So they liked the idea of skipping
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it.
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Kissing each other would give Paul at least some
13:58
of what he wanted.
15:59
tells you what happened and there's also obviously
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alcohol involved, you just like question
16:06
yourself. You doubt yourself. You
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just second-guess what your memories
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were. So
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Sinead stayed quiet. Paul
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would always say to me, we're taking this to our grave,
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Shay. I literally swore,
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like within myself, I was going to die with
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no one knowing about that.
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I
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thought not saying something was
16:27
protecting me. I didn't know that
16:30
he could get in trouble.
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After Philly's missed championship, the
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women's professional soccer league collapsed under
16:40
the weight of internal legal battles and financial
16:43
strain.
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But Paul was still in her life. He started
16:46
a semi-pro team and invited Sinead
16:48
and all his best players from over the years to
16:50
come train and stay sharp
16:52
in the hopes that a new league would be forming again
16:55
soon. There was somewhere they could play
16:57
and at least like he could train them and
16:59
the girls could be together. At first,
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Sinead said no and stayed home. She
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didn't want to look at this man, much less
17:06
play for him again. I was like,
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I'm done with soccer. Like I can't go.
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I don't want to go do this and be
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with this person. Soccer
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was over. At that moment,
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it felt like it was over. And the only
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thing that soccer
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was to me
17:26
at that time was just like these
17:28
awful memories with this coach and this like
17:31
negative, nauseating feeling.
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But without soccer,
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she felt totally lost.
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It just felt so bad. I couldn't
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like, I
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didn't know how to function. I literally
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just like didn't know how to function. I
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went back to my parents' house and
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was like really depressed and just
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not okay. And
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I didn't know where to go. Yeah,
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I just didn't feel
18:03
like there was anywhere I could go. So
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New York felt like the best option. At least
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I had soccer. I just wanted to
18:11
get it back. Giving
18:13
up soccer was painful. The thought
18:15
of seeing Paul was painful. But
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her old teammates kept telling her to come.
18:20
Already had a place for her to stay.
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In the end, soccer won.
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So she got in her car and drove to Long
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Island.
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But when she got there, she froze. The
18:34
reality of facing Paul again put her in a tailspin.
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So she called her childhood friend Bridget. She
18:41
was so ashamed, she hadn't even told
18:43
her what had happened. I
18:44
remember you calling, and you're like, I cannot get out of my car.
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And I'm like, you just need to go to
18:49
practice. And it was so not like you. Yeah, I
18:51
would never do that. You would never be late
18:53
for practice. And for you to
18:56
not be able to physically get out
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of the car, I was like, OK,
19:00
something is going on.
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Yeah.
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I eventually got out of my car and
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was just doing circles. I
19:10
never made it to practice.
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And I was a fucking wreck in New York.
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There was a seven-day period where I was just
19:18
out every single night. Basically,
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it was like blacked out for a week. I
19:23
just didn't want to be a lot. Like, I would have rather just
19:25
been dead. If I died from alcohol poisoning,
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fine. That would be better than what I'm experiencing
19:30
right now. I know. It was a really scary
19:32
time. Your mom and I and
19:35
your sister and I and my sisters, we'd
19:37
all just have phone calls being like, what
19:40
are we going to do here? Her
19:43
drinking was only making things worse, but it
19:45
was an escape. And that's what she wanted
19:47
more than anything, to
19:49
just escape. And
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even though Sinead was back on the pitch, she
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lost her confidence, her joy.
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I was like, he's only playing.
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I froze in this situation and I
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didn't stand up for myself.
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In college, being raped by someone
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that I thought was my friend, I
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did say no multiple times, it didn't matter anyway.
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In 2013, Paul's semi-pro team
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disbanded because a new league was forming again.
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The
22:23
National Women's Soccer League was creating
22:26
yet another chance for women to go pro,
22:28
this time with a new funding model that
22:30
included support from U.S. Soccer. And
22:33
here's where Mana and Sinead's stories merge.
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At this moment, Mana, the
22:37
undrafted rookie, is trying out with the Thorns,
22:40
impressing her coach as a fearless woman.
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And Sinead is going to play for Kansas City.
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Paul helped facilitate that too since he wasn't
22:47
coaching that year.
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It was a new league, a new team, a
22:51
new coach. It was a fresh start,
22:53
but Sinead didn't feel any better.
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Her mom, Janelle, picked up on it too.
22:58
I had gone out to Kansas City to see her,
23:01
but I remember thinking, what the hell happened?
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Actually, it was shocking to me.
23:06
She shaved her head because she didn't want men to
23:09
be attracted to her
23:10
and she kept drinking heavily.
23:12
Her mom was worried.
23:14
And then Janelle got what, at the time,
23:16
felt like a promising phone call
23:18
from Paul. Cindy had just left
23:20
and Paul was taking over coaching the Thorns. He
23:23
floated the idea of bringing Sinead to Portland.
23:25
And Janelle was relieved. Of
23:28
course, Paul called, well, I'll get her into Portland.
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You know, and me thinking, oh, well,
23:33
she played really good under him in the
23:35
independence. So from my perspective, I'm
23:37
like, oh good,
23:39
that'll definitely be better. If anybody
23:41
can bring out the best back in her again, it'll
23:43
be Paul. Everyone in league wanted
23:45
to play at Portland because of the stadium and
23:47
the fans. Like, it was the best in
23:49
the world for women's soccer at that time.
23:52
Even if it meant facing Paul again, it
23:54
felt like maybe it was worth it.
23:57
I just blamed everything on myself.
24:00
and told myself that if I really wanted
24:02
to have
24:03
a good life and a good career, Portland
24:06
was the spot.
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I just had to be stronger and I
24:10
could continue pretending like nothing
24:12
ever happened and it was up to me to
24:15
suck up basically everything that happened.
24:18
At first it felt like she and Paul were on good
24:20
terms.
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They joked around with
24:22
each other and he put her in a starting lineup.
24:25
She hoped no one could tell that anything was off.
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I started dating this woman
24:30
on my team and he was
24:32
so weird about it.
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He was like talking to other players
24:37
about that I'm not a real lesbian.
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Like he would pull players aside and tell them
24:42
he was really concerned about me and that
24:45
it was affecting my performance.
24:48
Players would come tell me this and
24:50
I'd be so fucking pissed but
24:52
I never said anything to him. I
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had already felt so trapped and
24:58
I was so
24:59
angry and I had nowhere to
25:02
put it. She couldn't escape
25:05
her past with Paul as much
25:07
as she tried to block it out. It
25:09
was this thing that I basically avoided and
25:11
pretended didn't exist yet
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it was part of every single second of my day. I
25:17
felt like I was just on this path of decay and I was
25:19
just going to do that until I died.
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Like I just didn't care
25:24
about anything and it
25:27
showed.
25:33
She was in the same place she'd been in before.
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Continue facing Paul every day or give up
25:38
soccer. Ultimately
25:39
her body chose for her. We
25:42
had a player injured. See
25:46
fairly down on the ground right now.
25:48
Playing in a way game against the Chicago
25:50
Red Stars she just collapsed.
25:54
I just like went completely black.
25:56
I was just so dizzy and it just felt like
25:59
my body.
25:59
I could not do it anymore. I could not be
26:02
in this environment anymore, but
26:04
I could never go out on my own. I
26:07
just couldn't take soccer
26:09
how it was anymore. And
26:12
my body just completely gave
26:14
out.
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And
26:17
Shanine Farley will come off. The
26:21
doctors checked for a concussion and did a CT
26:23
scan, but they couldn't explain it. She
26:25
was out for the rest of the season.
26:28
And then when the season ended, she
26:30
started getting back in shape. This
26:33
is when Shanine and Mano start training together.
26:35
I found a little bit of healing in
26:38
that off-season actually.
26:41
I felt like I created space, like
26:44
between Paul and also
26:46
between kind of what had happened. You
26:50
convince yourself, you're like, oh, I'm kind of like
26:52
over it. And then it was after that,
26:54
you just moved on to the next person.
26:58
And that next person was Mano.
27:07
After that kiss in Paul's apartment, he
27:10
started moving his one-on-one game tape
27:12
sessions with Mano from the stadium to
27:14
his place. And then
27:16
there was the time he asked Mano to go
27:18
to dinner with him under the guise of talking about
27:21
soccer. She met him at
27:23
his favorite Italian restaurant downtown.
27:25
He ordered a bottle of Riesling
27:27
and Acelbucco for them to share. The
27:29
whole thing just embarrassed her. I
27:32
was kind of like, are there any fans in the restaurant?
27:34
Who'd be like, why is Mano
27:36
eating dinner with her coach at
27:39
this fancy restaurant?
27:40
I remember getting up and going to the bathroom and
27:44
patting my face and looking in the mirror and being like,
27:47
what the fuck? I could not believe
27:49
that I was in that position. We're
27:51
not talking about soccer. This
27:53
is absolutely not someone I'm attracted
27:55
to, but he is taking me on a date.
27:59
Paul tried to say that.
27:59
sit next to her on flights, found reasons to
28:02
text her, assigned her personal errands.
28:05
He would boss us around and then be like, oh great,
28:07
you did it. And that's like, you
28:09
know, a check mark, good job. And
28:11
so one night on the road, he like asked
28:13
me to get him a bag of chips from the lobby.
28:16
It was annoying, demeaning really. But
28:19
when he asked Mana to bring the chips to his room,
28:22
that was an alarm bell. Mana
28:24
was rooming with Sinead that night, and
28:26
Sinead knew from her own experience that
28:28
Paul's request probably wasn't innocent.
28:31
But she couldn't warn Mana without divulging
28:34
her secret. So Sinead told
28:36
her, take him the chips, but
28:38
if you're not back in five minutes, I'm coming to get
28:40
you.
28:43
I stepped in and
28:44
he was just in his underwear and he like
28:47
closed the door.
28:48
And he stood between me and the door and
28:50
told me to get on his bed to watch film. And
28:53
I mean, I knew what he wanted at that point. He
28:55
was in his underwear. And
28:58
I just got up and was like, no, I have to go, we
29:00
can't do this right now.
29:02
I was starting the next day. So
29:04
I was kind of like, if I upset
29:06
him, I might not start. And that's a risk I'm
29:09
taking by leaving right now.
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I was ashamed. Just
29:14
like,
29:15
I think frustrated with myself that I let this,
29:17
I felt like I let this happen in
29:20
my career, right? It's like, oh my God, this
29:22
is affecting my work. When really it's
29:24
like, of course it was. And I guess
29:26
he's my coach and this is what he did. But just, I
29:29
felt like I did something wrong to let
29:31
this get to this point.
29:34
About a month later, Mona wrote
29:36
Paul an email, subject line, concerns.
29:39
Paul, as you've surely noticed,
29:42
I've had a hard time in the last couple of weeks. We
29:44
both know that your interactions with me have been
29:46
inappropriate and it has negatively affected
29:49
me in my performance. And Paul punished her for
29:51
it.
29:51
I stopped playing regularly.
29:55
I wasn't a starter anymore. He
29:57
was distant,
29:59
but I think. I think
30:01
a little scared actually. I think he saw
30:04
me
30:05
taking control of the situation and
30:08
prioritizing myself and my
30:10
wellbeing over playing time
30:12
and my relationship
30:13
with him. Like
30:16
I just didn't give a fuck at that point.
30:18
Mona knew she wanted to file a formal complaint,
30:21
but she didn't know how. She
30:23
had no idea if the Thorns or even
30:25
the NWSL had an HR department.
30:27
Sinead
30:28
wanted no part of it.
30:30
When she said she was reporting, the
30:33
only thing I felt was fear. Like
30:35
I was afraid of my position
30:37
at the Thorns being done. I was
30:40
afraid that this thing that I was trying to hide
30:43
would come out. Reporting
30:45
was like one straw
30:47
being pulled and like the whole thing would crumble.
30:50
Sinead seemed afraid to rock the boat, so
30:52
Mona told her friend and Thorns teammate Alex
30:54
Morgan.
30:56
Alex also played on the national team, so
30:58
she had experience with the US Soccer Federation,
31:01
which at the time was managing the league.
31:03
Mona hoped Alex might be able to help
31:05
her figure out how to file a complaint.
31:08
She was very quickly like, fuck this,
31:10
I will support you
31:12
in any way that I can
31:14
and let me know what that looks like.
31:20
But neither of them could
31:22
find any official league policy. There
31:25
was no league HR department, no
31:27
reporting mechanisms in place. So
31:29
Mona decided to go straight to the top. First
31:32
she sent an email to the owner and the general
31:34
manager of the Thorns. She included
31:36
Paul Riley. Then she forwarded
31:39
her message to the commissioner of the league.
31:41
Her timing was deliberate.
31:43
She waited until the
31:44
end of the season to do it. I
31:46
didn't want to ruin our season. I
31:49
was really concerned about hurting the team and
31:52
felt like
31:55
they don't deserve to suffer, even though in
31:57
hindsight we were all suffering.
31:59
because Mona expected a scandal.
32:02
Mona expected Paul to get fired,
32:05
and she didn't want to leave her teammates without
32:07
a coach during
32:08
the season.
32:09
After Mona sent her email, the
32:11
Thorns conducted a short week-long investigation.
32:14
They interviewed Sinead.
32:16
They called me into the stadium.
32:18
I wasn't treated like I
32:21
had anything to do with the incident. They
32:23
wanted to know if what Mona
32:25
was saying was true. They wanted to know
32:27
who I told because it wasn't going to be good
32:29
for the club, for people to find out.
32:32
And it was like 20 minutes, and
32:34
that was it. In
32:38
September 2015, the Thorns
32:40
terminated Paul Riley's contract, but
32:43
they didn't tell the press why. Instead,
32:46
the Thorns GM simply issued a statement
32:48
thanking Paul Riley for his services.
32:52
Paul Riley hasn't responded to a request for comment, and
32:57
he hasn't been charged with any crimes. He has denied these
32:59
allegations to other news outlets. At
33:01
the time, reporters weren't
33:03
sure what to make of Paul's departure.
33:06
News coverage
33:06
of the announcement pointed out that the Thorns hadn't
33:09
made the playoffs. Maybe Paul got let go because
33:11
of results. To
33:13
Mona, it felt like the people in power were concerned
33:15
with protecting him,
33:17
and
33:17
that he was not allowed to be in the right place. They
33:20
were concerned with protecting him and not her. To
33:23
them, this was just something that needed to be managed,
33:26
swept under the rug.
33:28
I felt totally let down, and
33:32
just like
33:33
lonely and sad,
33:36
and
33:39
insignificant.
33:40
I just felt like it minimized my whole experience.
33:44
And by the time the next season began,
33:47
Paul Riley was coaching a different team in
33:49
the National Women's Soccer League.
33:56
Next time on Counterattack, women
33:58
across the country begin... speaking out. Sexual
34:01
harassers and attackers are unmasked
34:04
by the Me Too movement. The way the
34:06
hashtag exploded shows us that
34:08
while we all thought we were alone, we're not. And
34:11
Sinead starts to see her experience with
34:14
Paul very differently. I
34:16
went to therapy and they were like, it
34:18
sounds kind of like you were groomed.
34:21
I was fucking livid.
34:30
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