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Welcome to episode for your Russia Limbaugh,

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the man behind the Golden EI B microphone.

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If you haven't heard episodes one through

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three, you can always go back and

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listen to those exclusive stories from

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people who knew Rush on and off the air,

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including Dawn and Brian, who were

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with Rush and me in the E I

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B Southern Command studio every day

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for more than twenty years. But today

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we have a very special episode for you.

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We have a chance to hear from Russia's

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brother, David Limbaugh. Now

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I've known David for

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a very long time decades,

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and David and I are

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friends, and I want to tell you something about David.

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And this is very

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touching to me, and

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it's something that I will always remember.

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When the day,

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that day that Rush gave us the bad

0:53

news about his diagnosis, it

0:56

was a very tough day. I got a call

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um before the show

1:02

ended that day from David,

1:05

and David just said, James,

1:07

I'm just calling to see whether you're all

1:09

right. We're all worried about you because we

1:12

know how much you love Rush. Of

1:14

course I broke down, and

1:16

of course you know David was was

1:19

just as emotional as David

1:21

can be under those

1:23

kind of circumstances. We were all just on

1:25

the edge. And and and that's

1:27

who David is, and and that's who this

1:30

family is. I

1:32

knew Rush and David's mom,

1:35

Millie, and I hung out with Millie

1:38

and I

1:41

rocked David's one of David's

1:44

daughters to sleep

1:46

while we were all traveling somewhere with

1:48

Rush to to on on

1:50

one of our great traveling adventures. I don't

1:52

even remember where we were going, but

1:54

I just remember hanging out with them.

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You hear this expression, the salt of the earth,

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the Limbaugh family. I've

2:02

met so many of them. These

2:05

people are the people that you would want

2:07

to be your neighbors. They're the people

2:10

you would want to be your friends. These

2:13

are the people that you would want to be

2:15

your family. And you'd

2:18

be grateful if you were in their

2:20

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2:23

do they love this country, not only

2:25

do they love their family, they

2:28

love their friends, and they

2:30

create an incredibly loving environment.

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us David Limbaugh, Russia's

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brother. David. Welcome, How are you hey,

4:36

James, How are you doing? Thanks for having me on. I

4:39

am so pleased that you're here. David,

4:41

how are you doing. I am still in a

4:44

state of shock and disbelief.

4:46

I wake up some days and I still can't believe

4:49

it when I hear Russia's voice.

4:51

I'm still part of my mind still

4:54

can't wrap around that Russia's gone.

4:57

Yeah, it is really u very

5:00

hard to believe, and it's

5:02

tough and I kind of compartmentalize

5:06

sometimes and deal with it that way.

5:08

But I was very surprised

5:10

the way it hit. I mean, we expected him,

5:13

and we knew it was it was going to happen,

5:15

but I didn't think it was imminent. And then when Catherine

5:18

called and said he had really taken

5:20

a turn for the worst, my heart sunk. And then

5:23

it was downhill from that point.

5:25

So yeah, I was kind of shocked,

5:28

even though we had been well prepared

5:30

for it. So, David,

5:32

I want to go back with you today to

5:35

the beginning of David

5:37

the younger Brother. I want to know

5:40

what life was like in

5:43

the Limbaugh household. I

5:45

have I have had the wonderful

5:48

opportunity of meeting your mom.

5:50

I never met your dad, but

5:52

I met your mom. And she was

5:55

such a wonderful and delightful

5:57

person. She had sparkling blue

6:00

lies. She would send me music. I

6:02

don't know whether you know that or not. She would send me

6:04

cassettes with music. Yeah,

6:06

yeah, that she who wanted me to hear that. She had

6:08

an infectious laugh. She was

6:11

just such a wonderful

6:13

person. What was

6:16

it like growing up in your house?

6:18

Well, my mom and dad were both unique

6:21

characters in their own right, very different.

6:24

My dad was, as I said in that

6:26

tribute I wrote to Rush, he was a lawyer's lawyer

6:28

and brilliant and

6:31

uh he was pretty serious most of the time

6:33

and had a worse bark

6:35

than his bite. Uh. He was

6:37

tender at heart. But you know, some people

6:40

sometimes people thought he was gruff, but the truth

6:42

is he was. He was really good to us, but

6:45

he disciplined us, don't get me wrong. And

6:47

my mom was just a cut up. She

6:49

was a comedian and always

6:52

funny and happy, and everybody loved

6:54

her, and and everybody loved my dad too. Don't

6:56

get me wrong. People would come over. This was the interesting

6:59

thing. They come over to our house when we

7:01

were kids in high school, and

7:03

people would our friends

7:05

would sit around in the living

7:08

room and just listen to my dad pontificate

7:11

about politics and religion, mostly politics,

7:13

and so it is. It is gratifying to

7:15

me to see Rush in his career,

7:19

put together both of the best

7:21

attributes of my parents, uh

7:23

and turn it into the most successful

7:25

radio show in American

7:28

history. So that's really cool to me. It's I see

7:30

both my parents in Rush, the best of both

7:32

of both of them. And your granddad

7:35

was still Rush had your granddad

7:38

on the air. Your granddad lived

7:40

to be over a hundred years old, and

7:43

he was active. He was still practicing

7:46

lawl right when you would coming here. Oh yeah,

7:48

I joined the firm

7:51

in and my grandfather

7:53

was still there, the patriarch, My dad was there,

7:55

my uncle was there, my cousin Steve

7:58

uh so a lot of balls there at the time.

8:01

In fact, our cousin John started out there

8:03

too, So it was very limball

8:05

heavy and there were some non limballs there too.

8:07

And my grandfather continued

8:10

until probably nineteen ninety

8:12

three or four, when he was almost

8:15

a hundred four. He died at a hundred four, but

8:17

he practiced law almost until the

8:19

very end. My dad died four or

8:21

five years earlier than my grandfather, so

8:23

my grandfather outlived him and

8:25

um, but my grandfather was amazing in

8:28

terms of how vibrant

8:30

he was and how brilliant he was

8:32

still at at an very

8:34

old age. Okay,

8:37

so your kids, what

8:39

kind I look at my

8:41

childhood and I contrasted

8:44

to what I see kids

8:47

going today, and I am so grateful

8:49

to God that I had

8:51

what I considered to be a normal childhood.

8:55

You know, went to church, went

8:57

to school. You know, two parents in the home.

9:00

You know, we did things that most middle

9:03

class families did. You know, you go to the church,

9:05

picnics, you do? You

9:07

know? I was a little mischievous in school

9:09

and once in a while, and

9:12

and and but it was normal. What

9:14

was your childhood like? This sounds

9:16

like a leading question based on information

9:19

you have may have been supplied to you about

9:21

our past. And I don't know whether or not to

9:23

invoke the fifth or not at this point,

9:26

I need to know what your intentions are. My

9:29

intentions are you with FBI? What

9:33

was it like, David? That's all my intentions

9:36

are you? You wouldn't Russian brothers.

9:38

You're not that far apart in age. Now.

9:40

He's two years older than I am, or

9:43

he was two years older than I am. And

9:45

Uh. We were mischievous

9:47

as kids. I mean, I mean, if I told some

9:49

of these stories, I wonder if the statute

9:51

of limitations is still open

9:53

on a few of the felonies we committed. But

9:59

I mean we were We were really bad

10:01

on prank phone calls. I mean, it was pretty

10:04

much harmless stuff, and we were creative.

10:07

As I think I saw in one of these Steve

10:09

Martin movies or I can't

10:11

remember the name of it, one

10:13

of his daughters, who was mischievous, called it

10:15

a dark gift. Well, she had nothing

10:17

on us. We we were gifted. We

10:20

had a dark gift for mischief, and

10:22

we pulled pranks on people all the time, since

10:25

we sent cabs to people's houses that

10:27

that didn't order, and we ordered pizzas, then

10:29

sent a cab for the pizza to Uh

10:31

to pick up the piece and take it to the people's house. We

10:33

ordered cabs for residents addresses

10:36

that were non existent, and then we're

10:38

sitting in the houses by the uh

10:41

these non existent residents, and watched

10:43

these cab guys perplexed. And

10:45

I mean it was terribly mean in retrospect, but you

10:47

know, we we had uh slowly

10:50

formed conscious consciousness at

10:52

the time, So that's my only excuse.

10:55

But we we had a lot of fun. What

10:57

was your favorite one? If you

10:59

had to pick, Okay, your favorite

11:01

too, there was I

11:03

wonder. I hope no one's still around that

11:06

that would have been a victim of this.

11:08

But we we had to know

11:10

your Bible contest and know your

11:12

American history contests. So we would call people

11:14

randomly out of the phone book

11:16

and ask them, uh,

11:19

certain totally easy questions

11:21

and then they'd answer them. We'd get them

11:23

right, and so we we told them

11:25

they'd win prize money. So we sent cabs

11:27

to pick them up and take them to a

11:30

certain hotel in town to pick up

11:32

their prize money. Keep in mind

11:35

that there was no contest, there

11:37

was no prize money. The cab people

11:40

weren't in on it, so I mean, it was

11:42

it was pathetic how bad we were, but did

11:44

you ever get busted? Not for that.

11:47

We we got busted. I got taken

11:49

to jail on Halloween for throwing balloons at

11:51

people's cars. Rush was less

11:53

was not part of that misdemeanor. But

11:56

we were eight kids,

11:58

We were walking around, we threw I mean, we didn't hurt

12:00

anything. We bet we got we got taken

12:02

to the police station. But no, we just we

12:04

just had a lot of fun doing crazy stuff.

12:07

But most of it was not miss if I just say

12:09

that because Russ was so tickled about

12:11

it talking about those things we did in

12:14

later years. But Rush was very interested

12:16

in baseball, uh and pursued

12:19

pitching and and uh he was

12:21

a good batter and very good picture. Yeah.

12:24

Now when you look back on it, did

12:26

you get any hints? Did you

12:28

did you notice anything? Because Russ

12:30

just talked before about when he started

12:33

to call games on

12:36

using the the TV, turning the sound

12:39

down on the TV and calling

12:41

a baseball game or the

12:43

the carvel toy

12:45

with radio. Did you was

12:48

that like, were you conscious

12:50

that something was going on there or was

12:52

it just kind of he's you know, well

12:56

it was We lived

12:58

on Sunset for twelve Sunset

13:00

and Cape Girardo Missouri,

13:02

and I specifically remember

13:05

that toy at that address, and

13:07

it would you could broadcast on the A M

13:10

radio waves within the confines

13:12

of your home, and so my mom and I would

13:15

listen to Rush broadcast

13:17

either as a DJ, spinning records

13:19

and giving his little commentary

13:22

as he went, or announcing baseball

13:25

games as he watched

13:27

it on TV and turning down Dizzy

13:29

Dean or whoever the baseball

13:31

announcer was at the time. So yes,

13:34

and I think your question is did

13:36

we recognize his talent at

13:38

that time when we were just really young,

13:41

We probably recognized most his enthusiasm

13:44

for it, in his devotion

13:46

to it. But when we moved over to the other

13:48

house and he was fifteen, he

13:51

went to Dallas

13:53

to take to get his radio license, I

13:55

don't know the technical term.

13:59

Yes, and then he then he became a

14:01

radio disc jockey

14:04

on the local station. He was really

14:07

really talented, especially for his age,

14:09

and people started noticing

14:11

how gifted he was. We we did some tapes,

14:14

kind of made an audio movie

14:17

and that it was just totally creative and

14:20

hilarious and Rush. Rush

14:22

could do voices. He was a mimic.

14:25

He was an impressionist. The

14:27

first moment that Trump does

14:29

anything that he is, the unraveling

14:32

of an Obama agenda item. Obama's

14:34

gonna be on TP. Hey, you know what'll

14:37

gleat you're exclusive Trump Trump about

14:39

Detroit Obama. Sometimes,

14:43

you know what I was on a stage like this, I wish I

14:45

weren't married. And I can say what I I

14:47

really think. I

14:50

don't mean that in a negative way. I'm happy. I'm

14:52

happy, wink wink, you

14:55

know what I mean. So

14:57

what does my voice sound like? You roy,

14:59

sound like Stephen Hawking or something? So

15:02

like a union FuG that's really chipped

15:04

offered me. And if I don't say the right

15:06

thing here, I might be in some trouble exactly right.

15:09

Uh And I know that people

15:11

think he brilliant because the way he speaks, and

15:14

people think people are brilliant because the way they

15:16

speak. They say a lot because that's how

15:18

you make people think of thinking when you're talking. And uh

15:20

so, yeah, if I weren't married to her,

15:25

As you know, in each episode, we've been

15:27

sharing the biographical journey of Russia's

15:29

life, chapter by chapter, narrated

15:31

by some of Russia's colleagues and closest

15:33

friends. Today, well, this guy

15:35

needs no introduction. Long time

15:38

listeners to Rush knew him as

15:40

f Lee Levin. Today he's

15:42

a huge star in his own

15:45

right, radio broadcaster

15:47

Mark Levin the Life of

15:49

Russia Limbaugh, Chapter four, narrated

15:52

by Mark Levine. Despite

15:55

being fired from his first three jobs in

15:57

radio, Jeff Christy a k

15:59

A. Rush Limball didn't stay down for

16:01

long. He worked aggressively to

16:04

return to the airwaves, and by nineteen

16:06

seventy five landed the afternoon show

16:08

at top forty k u d L in Kansas

16:11

City. Still,

16:14

Russia's time at k u d L was

16:17

short lived, listening

16:19

barely two years before he was let go. For

16:23

the first time in his life, Russia had

16:25

become disenchanted with radio. After

16:28

serious thought, he chose to temporarily walk

16:30

away from his dreams of a successful

16:32

radio career. In nineteen seventy

16:34

nine, Rush said, a new career course

16:37

major League Baseball. Remember my father

16:40

when I when I quit radio, was the happiest

16:42

he ever was. I quit radio age because

16:44

I figured it burned out, that was playing records

16:47

the son, what does that mean? I mean, where is that going

16:49

to take you? When I got that job of the Kancity

16:51

Royals, making thirteen thousand

16:53

dollars. He was happier than

16:56

he had ever been. Russia's four years with the

16:58

Royals were successful at had

17:00

to a lifelong friendship with Hall of Famer

17:02

George Brett. After baseball, Rush returned

17:04

to radio in three as the

17:06

afternoon news and sports anchor at

17:09

k m b Z Radio.

17:14

The first time in his career used

17:16

his given name on the airwaves, Rush Limbaugh.

17:18

But he even boasted to his general manager

17:21

quote, It's only a matter of time before

17:23

you're going to fire me. Russia's prediction

17:25

became his reality, and after less

17:27

than a year at camb Z, he was

17:29

out by Rush

17:32

replaced Morton Downey Jr. In mid days

17:34

on kf b K and Sacramento. Kf

17:37

b K was a perfect fit for Rush,

17:40

and he was soon dominating the market in his time

17:42

slot. I finally got to do a radio show the way

17:44

I wanted to do it, the things that I cared

17:46

about, the things I thought people would listen to, and it

17:49

was basically just sharing

17:51

my passions. I love sharing my

17:53

passions. I come up with things are passion and I want

17:55

everybody to know about it and want everybody experienced

17:57

it. I want everybody to agree, and

18:00

finally all came together for me in Sacramento,

18:02

California. After three years of ratings

18:04

success in Sacramento, Rush left

18:06

KFBK to become part of ED McLaughlin

18:09

snowly formed e f M Media

18:11

Network. Still, his departure

18:13

from kf b K was better. Sweet. I'm

18:16

just the guy in the radio. When I started this

18:18

thirty years ago, I never envisioned

18:20

any of this happening. What I wanted

18:22

to become was the best radio

18:25

guy in the country. I had this great opportunity.

18:27

I could be me, I could be

18:29

honest, I could talk about whatever I wanted

18:32

to talk about, and there was nobody that could

18:34

tell me I couldn't. And I have to, folks,

18:36

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18:38

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18:40

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20:06

Rush was it disc jockey at

20:09

a young age. He's a teenage disc jockey

20:11

in Cape Girardo. Did

20:14

this lead to him being popular?

20:16

Was he in the m crowd in

20:18

school? How did that affect his life and

20:20

and how did it affect the family's life?

20:23

Well, Rush was never really

20:25

into school and he was not that

20:28

social at a young age when he was

20:30

just a workaholic. He was so into

20:34

his radio show, uh

20:36

that that he worked all the time, and

20:38

he just loved it. And but it's kind of a

20:40

foreshadowing of what would happen. I mean, imagine

20:43

having been diagnosed with

20:45

terminal cancer in his final year. He

20:48

gets his life energy uh

20:51

of course from the family and friends, but

20:54

his primary source of energy and

20:57

motivation to live, in my opinion, was

21:00

his love for his audience and and what

21:02

he did, uh, and his

21:04

job. He loved doing what

21:06

he did, and that was the case when he

21:09

first started out. So while he would

21:11

have been popular had he had had his

21:14

priorities been there, he mainly

21:16

just loved to work. But

21:18

he developed some friends in in the class

21:21

ahead of him a few years later when

21:23

he was like seventeen and eighteen. They

21:25

they took a particular interest in Russi.

21:27

He was more mature minded than and

21:30

more serious. I mean, he's a comedian, don't me

21:32

wrong, but you know what I mean, he's he's a serious

21:34

minded person in his real life. And

21:37

so he's a guy who never wore blue

21:39

jeans. For example, I

21:41

could never remembering him wearing blue jeans. And

21:43

these guys sought him out, these older

21:45

guys, and they ended up becoming really good

21:48

friends. They were at our house all the time, and I I

21:50

latched onto them like a little kid. But

21:52

it was just fun having those guys around. And so Rush

21:54

was extremely popular with them and they

21:57

looked up to him. They saw his talent from

21:59

an ELA's. But truthfully, before that, I

22:01

think he didn't have as big

22:03

as social life because he was more into

22:06

his work and that that. You

22:08

know, it's almost like he was

22:10

a mirror of his younger self from

22:12

what you were describing. Yes, that is

22:14

so true. And he

22:16

always stayed true to himself. He he did

22:19

what he wanted to do. Uh, and luckily

22:22

what he wanted to do was productive and

22:24

wholesome. I mean, he wanted to be on the radio

22:26

and he wanted to work hard, and those are

22:28

all obviously good values.

22:30

Uh. There's been a lot of you didn't ask me this,

22:33

but I might as well anticipate it and answer it. People

22:35

have said, well, your dad wanted him. He was

22:37

probably disappointed because he didn't go to college

22:40

and didn't become a lawyer and all that.

22:42

And my dad, like any parent back

22:45

then, wanted us to go to

22:47

college. But he never pressured

22:49

Rush to go into law.

22:52

My dad was not that way. He just believed that

22:55

the best avenue to becoming well rounded

22:58

for later success was college. You

23:00

know, they they betted heads about that because Rush

23:02

saw no value in it. He knew,

23:04

he knew his own head, he knew his own

23:06

heart, he knew he didn't want to do it. He did

23:08

it on his own. He did it his way. My

23:11

dad has been unfairly criticized for pressuring

23:13

Rusciple or he never did it, and he never

23:15

did it. He did want to keep him in school, and I

23:17

think that was a reasonable thing, and even Rush would have

23:19

said later, there's no way my dad

23:21

could have anticipated that Rush

23:24

would break all odds and be phenomenally

23:26

successful, not going the conventional route.

23:29

So I think Rush, as

23:32

you say, from the from the time he was

23:34

young until the time he died,

23:36

knew his own head, and he was a

23:38

reflection of his when when he was

23:40

an older person, he was a reflection of his younger person.

23:43

But that's simply because because he never changed,

23:45

he always knew what he wanted and he went for

23:47

it. Well, I want to talk to

23:50

you about you for a few minutes, because

23:52

you just said something about you

23:54

knew what you wanted to do earlier on

23:56

in life. Too, and you

23:58

wanted to be a lawyer, and

24:01

did you also want to be a writer. Because

24:03

you're an accomplished writer. Between

24:06

your writings on the political and

24:09

cultural scene in America

24:13

and you're exceptionally gifted

24:16

books on Christianity,

24:19

you have carved out a real niche for yourself.

24:23

Interesting question, I I have. Uh, I

24:25

first one to acknowledge that that, regardless

24:27

of how well I've done, I wouldn't have been able

24:29

to uh reach

24:31

the levels I have, which are very

24:34

modest compared to what Russia did. Not that I'm competing,

24:36

It would be foolished to put myself

24:38

in competition with him. But uh,

24:41

it would not have been possible it

24:43

had Russian out open those doors. Now, I was already

24:46

a lawyer before Rush God

24:48

his syndicated show and all that, so I

24:50

was doing fine. But he opened

24:52

some doors for me in both my writing

24:55

profession and my legal profession that

24:58

we're just awesome. The opportunity

25:00

to work on his radio

25:03

contract and and then

25:05

watching his success inspired me to

25:08

want to become a writer, a better

25:10

writer, And um, hey,

25:12

my brother is doing it. Maybe I Maybe I

25:14

I come from the jet same gene pool. Maybe I have enough

25:16

talent to do a little bit better

25:19

than I'm doing. So it was inspirational and he was

25:21

always supportive of that as I As

25:23

I also said in the tribute, but you you

25:25

you to answer your specific question that

25:27

I always know that I wanted

25:30

to do these things. I can give you tangible

25:32

answers to that as proof that I did.

25:35

One is I remember in

25:38

in Franklin school when I was in second

25:40

grade, Mrs Swink, our teacher,

25:42

asked us to draw a picture of what how

25:45

we envisioned ourselves. Uh,

25:47

it went working when we grew up, and I drew

25:49

a picture of a courtroom. And I don't know why

25:51

I remembered that all my life, but I just did.

25:54

And I never deviated for wanting to become

25:56

a lawyer. I always wanted to become one until I became

25:58

one. Okay, I'm kidding.

26:00

I'm kidding. No, I've enjoyed

26:02

it. I've enjoyed it, but I but I glamorized

26:05

it all the way through. I I was one

26:07

of these weird guys that even like law school because

26:09

I just loved the study of law. Now, the practice

26:11

of law, the general practice of law

26:14

is a hard grind and very stressful, and

26:16

it is not as glamorous

26:18

as you anticipate that it will be. But then

26:20

if you can specialize and you

26:22

get a better idea of what you're doing, then you feel

26:24

better about it. And that's what I would recommend

26:27

anyone to do. So I knew that I wanted

26:29

to be a lawyer from an early age. And you asked me about writing

26:31

why. I was a fanatic on the

26:33

Hardy Boy books. I read all the Hardy

26:36

Boys books and Tom Swift

26:38

was kind of a science fiction thing. Ken Holt,

26:41

Rick Brant all these series and

26:43

they can go back and check. And I

26:45

was a fanatical reader of those kinds of

26:47

books. And uh, I

26:50

was so into that those books

26:52

that I started writing my own books.

26:54

Although what I called the book was like seven

26:57

handwritten pages and I'd color

26:59

them. The cover I would draw, and I had

27:01

no talent to draw, but I so I had like

27:04

forty five books, seven

27:06

page books, mystery books. And I call him

27:08

the Right Brothers. And I was obviously just imitating

27:10

the Hardy Boys. But so yes, from

27:12

that age, I was probably in second

27:15

and third grade when I did that. That's amazing.

27:17

Did you read Nancy Drew? No? Because

27:19

I thought it would be a little feminine. So

27:22

no, I didn't always wondered about it, but

27:24

I never Some of our girlfriends good

27:27

I know, I know it was good, but you know, false

27:30

pride, false mail. Now that I'm a full

27:32

blown feminist, I'd probably go back and read them.

27:34

I read The Hardy Boys,

27:37

the Bobsy Twins. I

27:39

mean I would read yeah, yeah, yeah,

27:41

all of that stuff. Tom Swift, that Tom

27:44

Swift books were excellent. Yeah, I had the

27:46

whole series. Yes, oh oh,

27:48

I got it. I got an interesting tidbit about

27:50

my dad to show you. I

27:53

don't know why, but when I when I

27:55

came an adult, I thought back on this

27:58

story. I uh,

28:00

and and what it says about my dad. My

28:03

dad was just a he was. He

28:05

was a voracious reader. I get distract

28:07

and it takes me longer. Rest was like my dad. He

28:09

was a steel trapped mind. And I'm not cutting

28:12

myself down. I'm just saying the

28:14

Rush had my dad's ability to

28:17

read fast and to comprehend. One

28:19

time when I was into the I think I think

28:22

it was Tom Swift's first book, like

28:24

The rocket Ship to the Moon or something like that.

28:27

By the way, they're two Tom Swift's

28:29

series one when my grandfather was a kidter

28:32

and then when one we were a kid, or maybe

28:34

my dad. But I was so enthused

28:36

about the book when I was reading it, I asked my

28:38

dad if he would read it and then talk to me about

28:40

it. Now. Had I had one of my kids asked

28:43

me to to reign in my A D.

28:45

D And read a kid's book at that time, I would have.

28:47

I would have faked it somehow, but my dad,

28:50

I don't. I got up in

28:52

the middle of the night one time, I walked down

28:54

the stairs and I walked into the living room where

28:56

he sat in his rocking chair, and he

28:58

always had a card table in front, and he was

29:00

reading in the middle of the night, he was reading

29:02

that book. And uh so he actually

29:05

read the book and I that was that.

29:07

In later years, that has been very

29:09

touching to me to think about that. Wow.

29:13

My my dad was in World War Two but

29:15

in um Flu in

29:21

the China Burma what they call

29:23

the China Burma Theater, and a

29:25

good friend of his was also in the

29:27

same place, and they wouldn't

29:30

talk about it. My brother

29:32

and I would would ask, you know, we'd

29:34

watch a war movie kids

29:36

on TV. What was it like. I

29:39

wouldn't tell us. Um,

29:41

he simply would not talk about it. None.

29:46

Let's jump ahead. You know, Russia had

29:49

went through a series of jobs, but

29:52

the big success had eluded

29:54

him. He had been fired a few times, he

29:58

you know, and I'm sure that those no

30:00

one likes to get fired, So I'm

30:02

sure he had to go through some

30:04

grief with all of that. At

30:07

one point he left radio

30:09

to work with the Kansas

30:11

City Royals. And do

30:14

you remember anything about Pilli's perog you're

30:16

off doing law. You guys have grown

30:18

now you're often two different directions where you

30:20

still in touch with each

30:22

other. What was that like? Yeah, I think

30:24

what you're getting at is

30:26

is inquiring about

30:29

his professional growing pains. And

30:31

I would say, yes, he definitely had

30:33

him. He he knew again he wanted

30:35

to be in radio. But

30:37

it's one thing to say he wanted to be in radio

30:40

and he knew that's where he belonged, and another

30:43

to believe that it would end up happening.

30:45

Because you can think you're the best person that ever

30:47

lived at a certain uh profession

30:50

or skill and still not have the

30:52

circumstances in life UH

30:54

develop and materialized to enable

30:56

you to to actualize your potential. And

30:59

so I think through

31:01

a series of firings

31:03

and obstacles, he

31:05

was getting pretty discouraged. He was not

31:07

a person to adapt. Again,

31:10

it goes back, he's never really changed. He

31:12

always wanted to be who he wanted

31:14

to be, and that is a commentator.

31:17

At the time, there wasn't There weren't really

31:19

even any talk shows, not just political talk

31:21

shows. There just weren't any talk shows that I

31:23

remember. But Rush always wanted

31:25

to comment. So when he when he did, when he

31:27

spent spun records for these shows, he

31:30

would always comment and he and it

31:32

was funny and he was talented, but that was

31:34

not his job description. So these program

31:36

directors invariably got

31:39

irritated with him and told him to curve it down. That

31:41

was not what he was supposed to do, and invariably

31:43

he would disobey because that he knew.

31:45

That's where that's where his destiny

31:48

was. Not because he was intrinsically

31:51

insubordinate. That's not why he got fired. He

31:53

got fired because, Uh, he

31:55

just did what he thought he

31:57

was born to do. Not that he thought through this film

32:00

sophically, but he kind of just did what

32:02

he did and when he get fired a

32:04

few times, then he talked to my dad and mom

32:06

and okay, let's go the conventional route.

32:09

So he'd worked for the Royals, and I think

32:11

he enjoyed it, okay, but he's mostly bored.

32:13

He was director of group sales and he sold

32:16

tickets and he was really good at what he did, but

32:19

it was just not for him, and so he

32:21

was just looking for a way out and he'd

32:23

get he'd get opportunities, and he would go and

32:25

get fired again. It wasn't until uh

32:28

he was and you've heard this story. Wasn't until

32:30

he went to Sacramento that some

32:33

program director finally let him be

32:36

himself and then he just

32:38

flourished like a rocket ship.

32:40

It was explosive. I mean,

32:42

I went out there to to Sacramento

32:45

to see Rush and he took me to Alliance

32:48

Club luncheon that he was

32:50

the invited speaker because he was already

32:53

a big celebrity in Sacramento.

32:55

And I had no idea. I had no idea he

32:57

was a celebrity really because he didn't brag

32:59

about it. He he just did what he did.

33:02

I think he might have taken me there with the

33:04

hidden purpose of letting me see just

33:06

how talent he was. And I went

33:08

there and I'm sitting there, I can't. I don't think I've ever

33:10

heard a better speaker in my life. And I'm going, Wow,

33:13

I'm blown away by my own brother. But when

33:15

we were growing up, we didn't do a lot

33:17

of talking. We did a lot of listening. My dad

33:19

was the talker, and so I didn't

33:22

particularly know that Rush was as

33:25

uh talkative as he was capable

33:27

of being when he got on the air. And I think this

33:29

is true a lot of celebrities they said Johnny Carson

33:32

was a little bit shy in his personal life. Rush

33:34

wasn't shy, but he wasn't a

33:36

real talkative person. I mean, he

33:39

was one on one, but he wasn't the guy guy

33:41

that would go just be the life of the party

33:43

and entertain people. But when when he got on

33:45

the air, he lit up. As you know,

33:48

when I was with him at that Lions Club

33:51

luncheon, my my jaw was dropping

33:53

at how talented he was. It's not that I didn't

33:55

know he was smart. I just hadn't seen

33:57

that side of him. And it's it's

33:59

funny because you know, I saw that side of him

34:01

next the rest of his life after that. So

34:04

David, now let's jump to

34:06

New York and the next

34:08

thing you know, he's becoming a

34:11

household name. Were

34:13

you surprised by any of this? What

34:15

was the reaction inside your family,

34:18

your extended family as well as you

34:20

know of the family. Well, I

34:22

think and I remember this,

34:25

and I could be off by one or two, but

34:27

I think rest started with fifty six stations.

34:30

The sheer talent, uh

34:33

is what led to the to the explosion

34:36

of the number of stations, and within a matter

34:38

of years, I don't know how many years, he was up

34:40

to six hundred stations, and he held him for

34:42

the rest of his career. My mom,

34:44

I will say, my mom was

34:47

always his biggest supporter and

34:49

she was so thrilled with with

34:51

this success. She always knew how

34:53

talented he was and it was just

34:56

extremely gratifying for

34:58

her to see it. My dad was more of a skeptic

35:00

because again he my

35:02

dad, I think, had this preconceived

35:05

notion that to succeed

35:08

you had to go through the traditional

35:10

route, college and all that, and he

35:12

he was slow to realize that

35:14

Rush had broken through. But once Rush

35:17

did break through, my dad was

35:19

blown away. I'm not saying my dad wasn't

35:21

a big supporter of Rush, but he wasn't

35:23

as predisposed

35:26

too. It happening the way

35:28

it happened. And I remember, and you might

35:30

have heard this story or read it in one of the

35:33

various biographies

35:35

of Rush, were my mom and dad are sitting

35:37

around while Rush is

35:39

being interviewed by Ted Copple on the

35:42

what was it not? The what do you call that? Yeah?

35:45

Nightline? And he

35:48

Rush made some profound,

35:50

articulate response to something Ted Copple

35:53

asked him, and Rush turned

35:55

my my dad Russia and I always

35:57

called my dad affectionately Rush.

36:00

So Rush our dad

36:02

turned to each other, not to him. We

36:05

wouldn't have dared do that, but

36:07

but so

36:10

he he uh turned to my mom,

36:12

Millie, where does he get this? In other words,

36:14

can you believe how talent he is? And my

36:16

mom turned in and says, well, you silly, and

36:19

and the and the answer was, of course

36:21

that he got it from both of them. But but it

36:23

was my way of my it was my

36:25

dad's way of rhetorically affirming

36:29

just how great Rush was. And

36:31

that was just a cool turning point, I

36:34

think. And I'm glad that Rush got a chance

36:36

to actually know that you know,

36:39

and and to understand that that his

36:41

parents knew, both of them, and

36:43

and and the the extended family too knew

36:47

this talent. How was it for you,

36:49

because all of a sudden, here you are.

36:51

Your brother's famous. It's not

36:53

and famous a double edged sword. It's not

36:55

just the good stuff, it's all the horrible

36:58

stuff that comes along with beings, and

37:00

that stuff impacts the family too. What

37:02

was it like? Well, it's interesting.

37:05

I when he was in Sacramento,

37:08

and I'm just a

37:10

general practitioner of law, he

37:13

he asked me to review his contract,

37:16

his radio contract. Well, I didn't know anything about radio

37:18

contracts, and he wanted to trust me

37:20

enough to do it even though I had no expertise in it. And

37:23

when he did his when he was asked to do his syndicated

37:25

show, he asked me to do the contract.

37:27

Well, I had no clue about the

37:30

business aspects of of syndication.

37:33

But I remember I think I spent

37:36

twelve hours preparing that contract to submit

37:38

to Ed McLaughlin and his lawyer. His lawyer was

37:40

Howard Howard Abraham's really good guy

37:43

and New York lawyer. I hadn't dealt with any New York

37:45

lawyers and prepared that contract and

37:47

and so that was really

37:50

cool that rush brought me. And I was a little intimidated,

37:52

a little nervous, But I will tell you

37:54

in terms of how it affected. His fame affected

37:57

me multifaceted. But one

37:59

one thing I remember. I was so excited

38:02

when he finally inaugurated

38:04

his national show out of New York and

38:07

uh he I remember

38:10

driving in town. I went and I went

38:13

out in my car to listen to the radio. And

38:15

when I was so excited when

38:17

he came on, I I got goose

38:19

bumps. I said, that's to me. Nobody

38:21

was with me, that that's my brother. I said,

38:24

that is so cool. And so

38:26

I was in ecstatic about

38:28

his success, so proud of of what he had

38:31

done and what he was doing. And I saw, wow,

38:33

you know all. And I even said to Ed McLaughlin,

38:36

I said, I there's no reason and

38:38

just what Ed said, there's it's there's no reason

38:40

what he did in Sacramento won't translate

38:42

to the rest of the country. There's no way it won't.

38:45

I mean, I was convinced. Once I heard him in Sacramento,

38:47

I knew and so I was I

38:49

was so supercharged. Uh

38:52

with that. Now that's

38:54

the upside to to it,

38:56

the negative, a negative side of this, a

38:59

potential of his site. And what he did was

39:01

he very controversial on politics.

39:04

Well, I happen to believe exactly like he believes

39:06

politically, And so anytime

39:09

anybody would would give him

39:11

grief over that, I was just defensive,

39:14

a protective on his behalf.

39:16

And if they would go after him, I would

39:18

I would be very upset about it. But

39:21

it never bothered me. And since oh, this

39:23

is gonna hurt our reputation, our family's

39:26

reputation because he's controversial, No, I

39:28

was totally proud of what

39:30

he was doing because I think he was making

39:32

a difference and and mainstreaming

39:35

conservative thought. I mean, Bill Buckley

39:37

of course is the father of the modern

39:39

conservative movement. I'm not talking about Russell Kirk

39:41

and all these intellectual people, but

39:44

Buckley brought it, Uh, brought

39:46

the conservative movement to the forefront,

39:49

and then Rush brought it to the mainstream.

39:51

And what he did, but the downside

39:54

to me seeing him be

39:56

savagely attacked and scapegoated,

39:59

that deeply bothered me through the years

40:01

personally. And that's where he that's

40:03

where he did. He finally just said, I've got

40:05

to do my own thing, and I'll do it. Well.

40:08

I can't. I can't be all things to all people.

40:10

And he ended up being one of the most charitable

40:12

people, celebrities or people

40:14

period. In fact, as a

40:16

as a collateral point, he wasn't

40:19

just charitable with

40:21

charities. He was so generous

40:23

with the family, with other

40:26

people, with fans. Uh.

40:28

He gave gave away so many things.

40:31

He's he's been so generous to

40:33

me and my family, And sometimes he

40:36

would offer stuff so much that you'd

40:38

feel guilty. And then I

40:40

finally realized, I gotta not make

40:42

this about me, because HiT's

40:45

one of his greatest joys is giving things

40:47

away that he likes himself,

40:49

such as his uh Apple products.

40:52

And so if he wanted to give me four watches,

40:55

I was, uh, you know, I can't.

40:58

I finally said, okay, give my So one

41:00

time he gave me four four Apple

41:02

want this hilarious. I mean, it's it's

41:05

disgraceful if you if you're a non capitalist.

41:08

But he gave me four watches and I put them

41:10

all on my wrist. This is like a year before

41:12

he died. Put every one of them. There were

41:14

different colors. I took a picture of him, send it to

41:16

him. So here I'm wearing all the watches and

41:18

he just loved it. I mean he you

41:21

saw it, didn't He give you those phones all

41:23

the time and the iPads and watches? Oh

41:25

yes, oh yes. He was so generous

41:28

and just, and he loved being generous

41:30

with the people that he loved and new sister,

41:32

you know, he was amazing.

41:37

First off, today, Happy birthday to my brother

41:39

David. He turns a weaven today.

41:42

I don't know this

41:44

is the eleventh's it's

41:48

just birthday as sixty five

41:51

today, and he doesn't

41:53

look a day over. I'm telling you

41:55

forty every wait, so

41:58

happy birthday day of nickname him doctor.

42:01

I gave him a brand new I've

42:03

fallen ten my brother for

42:05

his birthday about two

42:08

or three weeks ago. So I wouldn't forget it. So I wouldn't

42:10

forget it. So,

42:13

David, time is dwindling down

42:16

here sadly, and I want to ask you one question.

42:19

What's the one thing about Rush

42:21

as a person that

42:25

very few people know or

42:29

people would be surprised to hear about

42:31

him. Is there anything that comes to your mind I'd

42:35

have to think about this. I'm never good at these open

42:38

ended questions like that, But I would say

42:40

he was not an extrovert uh

42:43

in his private life. I

42:45

was even surprised when I

42:48

first started seeing him

42:51

display his talent and how he

42:53

would light up in front

42:55

of an audience. I just never saw.

42:57

I mean, I saw glimpses of that when he would

42:59

perform on the radio and all that,

43:01

but I had no idea the extent

43:04

to which Uh he would become,

43:06

not a different person, but a more open

43:09

person. It's an interesting paradox

43:11

to me that he he

43:13

doesn't He didn't open up to that many

43:15

people in his private life now. A lot of times, by the way,

43:17

he would open up to me when we were younger and have

43:20

a girl problem. We'd share these issues.

43:22

What do you think of this? Does she still like me? Does she

43:24

not like me? So he would open up to me, and I'm sure

43:26

it's his real close friends. But on

43:28

the air, I think you would agree that

43:30

he considered his audience intimate

43:33

and he would tell them his deepest,

43:35

innermost thoughts. And I don't know about

43:38

you. I think that is so cool,

43:40

and I think that's one of the things that

43:42

has made him uniquely popular among

43:45

his audience that developed a bond, and

43:47

and since he's died, I

43:49

have received thousands

43:52

of communications, emails,

43:54

Twitter, messages, Facebook,

43:58

personal letters, unbelievable

44:00

numbers of people who would say who do

44:03

say I loved

44:05

him? I feel a personal void. He

44:07

was the best friend I never met. Now this is sounds

44:09

like a cliche unless you read

44:12

They're not just saying, oh, I love your brother passively.

44:14

No, they're saying I feel wounded.

44:18

I feel a hole in my heart that he died.

44:20

It is an active presence,

44:23

centered deeply

44:25

abiding love that

44:27

he generated with millions

44:30

of people. I mean, I don't remember being

44:32

in the studio the day a guy called

44:35

in and tried to explain it

44:37

all, and he just ended up. He think he ended

44:39

up in tears and ended us putting us in tearious

44:42

when he said, I just need to hear your police because

44:44

it had becomes that much

44:46

of a comfort to just

44:49

hear his voice. And

44:51

people try to figure out why he was so successful,

44:54

you you just can't put it in a

44:56

easy define herble box.

44:59

He had some the attributes that

45:02

went into that final product, and I think

45:04

a lot of it had to do with with his personality

45:07

is openness, his love of his audience,

45:09

his love for what he did, his intelligence,

45:11

his wit, his genuine

45:15

interest fascination with politics,

45:17

and his uncanny, I would say,

45:19

unparalleled insight into

45:21

politics. As he used to talk about laughingly

45:25

being able to see the stitches on the fastball.

45:27

Well that is a great metaphor. He could see

45:30

the stitches on a fastball. Maybe

45:32

I should add to this that so many

45:34

people who don't get it, see,

45:37

they just don't get it. And these are not the

45:39

ones who ended up being his fans. Are the people

45:41

who think he was full of himself, he was a

45:44

megalomaniac, that he was a narcissist,

45:46

because he would brag all the time. That

45:49

was all stick. Don't get me wrong,

45:51

he knew he was talented, but when he was talking about

45:53

his talent, it wasn't to brag. It was

45:55

just to be over the top ridiculous

45:58

and and just to be a performer.

46:01

And and it stuck. Those kind of things, and people

46:03

that understood Rush understood

46:06

that he was saying these things tongue in cheek, even

46:08

though at the same time he did know he was

46:10

very talented. But that wasn't the reason he was saying

46:12

it. He was saying it just for blister and

46:14

just me. But he didn't. Here's what bothers

46:16

me. He never said other than when he

46:18

was joking and putting people on

46:21

for a routine. He

46:23

always said what he believes. So you read these

46:26

stories and they say he's bombastic, and he

46:28

wasn't bombastic. And that's another thing.

46:30

By the way, he might have started off being

46:32

a little bigger than life, but as as as his show

46:34

evolved in these later years,

46:37

they talked about him being mean. Have you ever heard

46:39

him be mean to a caller? It's the

46:41

most unfair thing in this crap

46:44

about him being a racist. I just,

46:47

I just it blows my mind. He

46:49

was the tip of the spear. He took

46:52

the arrows for all of the rest of us

46:54

and for the country, and people

46:56

now are taking some of the heat. He

46:58

took it before all the rest of us,

47:01

and he had no one defending I mean, we all

47:03

tried to defend him. There was no mechanism to

47:05

defend him. And he was the toughest guy

47:07

I've ever seen, not just in the way he fought cancer

47:10

and bounced back and powered through that last

47:12

year, but his whole career who

47:14

could be deaf and be a radio host.

47:17

And he overcame that, He overcame addiction,

47:19

he overcame all the obstacles

47:22

that were placed in front of him, and all

47:24

the hate for media matters and the rest,

47:27

and he powered through bigger than every

47:29

one of them to be the most successful

47:31

person that I've ever met in my life, and

47:33

that everyone, at least on our

47:36

side ended up loving. And I am really

47:38

really proud of him and really miss

47:40

him. David. Thank you me

47:43

too, And David, I'm happy that

47:45

you shared and and and and those

47:47

people that are listening to our

47:50

podcast series got

47:52

a chance to know a little bit more about

47:54

you two. And aside

47:56

from all of the other accomplishments as

47:59

an author, as a columnist,

48:02

and as a great

48:05

guy, you are one of the nicest,

48:08

most incredible men I've ever

48:10

met. It runs into family thank

48:13

you, So are you just so? I I don't

48:15

want to affirm everything you say and come across

48:17

is conceded. I don't think I am

48:19

and this isn't false modesty.

48:21

I have been so blessed. I don't think I'm

48:24

particularly gifted in any of those areas

48:26

that I've done, but I. I hope that I've

48:28

done as well as I could do in in

48:30

the with the opportunities that I

48:32

was given. It's an honor to represent the people

48:34

I've represented. But I will repeat none

48:37

of that would have been possible without Rush. I

48:39

wouldn't have had the confidence to do it,

48:41

nor would I have had the opportunity. And the

48:43

fact that that I have, the fact that

48:45

he wanted me to and

48:48

open doors for me and tried to

48:50

get me to and to encourage

48:52

me in my career, both careers writing and law,

48:55

shows what kind of selfless person he was.

48:57

Just another aspect of his

48:59

self selflessness and brotherly love.

49:02

So thank you for the compliments. But I realized,

49:04

tell if I had not had these

49:06

boosts and these opportunities, that would never have happened.

49:09

I'm just grateful for everything that has happened,

49:11

and thank you for your kind words on that. All

49:13

right, David, thank you so much. We'll talk my

49:15

man. Love you, David, Thank you so much.

49:18

Thank you you too, Love you too. So

49:21

have no fear. My brother, noted

49:23

columnist, attorney, broadcast

49:26

agent, audio video expert

49:28

send me a little note last night and said, are

49:31

you okay? How are

49:34

you holding up. I said, well, what

49:37

because it was about nine. He

49:40

said, well, all this demonization. I said, what

49:42

demonization? I haven't seen any tonight. Oh

49:44

it's all over the place, is well, I haven't had the television

49:47

on him, been doing other things. God

49:50

love it. My little brother David,

49:53

My little brother David m

50:01

thanks for listening to episode four. My

50:03

very special thanks to Russia's brother David.

50:06

Now on our next episode, You're not

50:08

gonna want to miss this. It was a

50:10

very special moment in the life

50:12

of not only Rush but Russia's fans.

50:15

The night Rush was awarded the Medal of

50:17

Freedom by President Trump. Sean

50:19

Hannity joins me to discuss that night on

50:21

our next episode. It was a night that surprised

50:24

all of us, including Rush himself.

50:27

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