0:00

Sacred Symbols is sponsored by

0:02

OperaGX. The web browser made

0:04

specifically for gamers, tech enthusiasts,

0:07

and those who want lots

0:09

and lots of options. You

0:11

can download the app completely

0:14

for free right the second

0:16

by heading to operagx.org/Sacred Symbols.

0:19

That's operagx.com/S-A-C-R-E-S-Y-M-B-O-L-S. Again for the

0:21

powerful, free and extremely useful

0:23

OperaG- and extremely useful Opera

0:26

Opera. to operaGX.G.G. slash sacred

0:28

symbols. This podcast is

0:30

brought to you by aura. Imagine

0:32

waking up to find your bank

0:34

account drained, bills for loans you

0:36

never took out, a warrant for

0:38

your arrest, all because someone committed

0:41

a crime in your name. It

0:43

sounds like a nightmare, but for

0:45

millions of people each year, it's

0:47

reality. And here's the scariest part.

0:49

By the time companies tell you

0:52

your data was stolen, it's already

0:54

been nearly a year. Two hundred

0:57

and seventy seven days. That's how

0:59

long on average hackers have to

1:01

use your social security number, open

1:03

accounts, take out loans, and destroy

1:06

your credit. Before you even know,

1:08

you've been exposed. By the time

1:11

you get that breach notification email,

1:13

the damage is done. Your

1:15

identity stolen. Your financial future

1:17

at risk. And the company

1:20

that lost your data, they'll

1:22

just apologize and move on. Hackers

1:24

aren't waiting. Why are you? This can all

1:27

sound really scary, which is why I'm

1:29

so glad we're partnering with aura. Hackers

1:31

don't wait, so why should you? aura monitors

1:33

the dark web 24-7 for your

1:35

phone number, email, and social security

1:37

number, because the moment they show

1:39

up for sale, criminals are ready

1:42

to use them. If aura detects

1:44

your info, you'll get an instant

1:46

alert, so you can act before

1:48

the damage is done. What if

1:50

your identity is already stolen?

1:52

Criminals can take out loans,

1:54

max out credit cards, and banish.

1:56

That's why ORA provides up to

1:58

$5 million in identity theft. and

2:00

a US-based fraud resolution team that

2:02

works around the clock to shut

2:04

down fraud fast and get your

2:06

life back on track. Your personal

2:08

data is a goldmine for hackers, and

2:11

ORA helps lock it down. With a

2:13

VPN for For

2:26

a limited time, ORA

2:28

is offering our listeners

2:30

a 14-day trial, plus

2:32

a check of your

2:34

data to see if

2:36

your personal information has

2:38

been leaked online. All

2:40

for free when you

2:42

visit ora.com/defense. That's ora.com/defense

2:44

to sign up for

2:46

a 14-day free trial

2:48

and start protecting you

2:50

and your loved ones.

2:53

That's a-u-r-a.com/defense. It's

2:56

turnie time! And with Van Dool's dog

2:58

of the day, you can get a

3:00

daily profit boost storing the college conference

3:02

championships to bet on any underdog. So

3:05

get ready to celebrate some upsets. No

3:07

one saw that coming. Except

3:10

for me, baby! 21 plus

3:12

and President Select States. Optane

3:14

required. Minimum Plus 100 odds

3:16

required. Bonus issued its non-withdrawable

3:19

profit boost tokens. Restrictions. Restrict

3:21

and supply, including token expiration,

3:23

token expiration expiration. Greetings

3:26

and Salutations, welcome.

3:28

Greetings and Salutations,

3:31

welcome. Greetings and

3:33

Salutations, welcome back

3:36

to Sacred Symbols,

3:38

a PlayStation podcast.

3:41

This is episode

3:43

number 353. My name

3:45

is Colin Moriarty. I'm

3:48

joined as always, Jesus

3:50

Christ. We keep going. Oh,

3:52

of course not. Oh, of course not.

3:54

Hey, keep going. First Reagan, how are you today, my

3:56

friend? Good to see you. The sweatshirt is looking great.

3:58

We don't sell that one anymore. Yeah, this is

4:00

vintage. You'll be able to find this

4:03

in 50 years in a goodwill, assuming

4:05

we still have goodwill on earth. Right.

4:07

But I'm doing pretty good. I'm doing

4:10

pretty good. I'm doing all right. We're

4:12

recording a little bit later today. Yeah,

4:14

thank you. Which was fine by me.

4:17

I can wake up a little bit

4:19

later. But I was like, oh, I

4:21

have more time than usual. I'm going

4:24

to go. We're going to go out.

4:26

I'm going to get myself. There's

4:28

a place here. It actually did

4:30

pretty good, they make a pretty good big egg and

4:32

cheese. I was like, you know, I'm gonna walk over

4:35

there. And I was walking about it and I realized

4:37

I misjudged the distance. So I like, I was trying

4:39

to get back just in time. And so I sprinted

4:41

about halfway. But I made it. I made it. I

4:43

made it. Good. Well, you hit, I mean, obviously,

4:46

here you are. Good to see. Yeah. Got a

4:48

little tough to hair coming out the front, you

4:50

look very handsome. You look very handsome. You look

4:52

very handsome. You look very handsome. Little.

4:54

Little. Little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4:57

Yeah, thank you for we're recording an

4:59

hour later than we usually do

5:01

because I suspect that this episode

5:03

won't be very long I say that and

5:06

then who knows But also I've been like

5:08

my sleep schedule is just so fucking crazy

5:10

right now I was up until six in

5:12

the morning the other day. Oh shit like

5:14

I just can't sleep And so I'm gonna

5:17

probably get dementia soon and die

5:19

But in the meantime I thought I would

5:21

try to get what I really needed today

5:23

was an extra hour because you know to be

5:25

fully transparent is I think we've discussed in the past

5:28

like the ad market is not great right now for

5:30

a lot of podcast it hasn't been for a while

5:32

like ads are softer and then we randomly got two

5:34

ad reads for this show which I was like oh so I

5:36

have to like write those ads and stuff so I needed

5:38

a little bit more time so I appreciate you guys

5:40

going a little bit later but it's good

5:42

to be here with you Dustin Berman executive

5:44

producer good to see you today how are you Good. Yeah,

5:47

honestly when you said yesterday you

5:49

wanted to record an hour later,

5:51

I was happy. It's been a

5:53

busy few days here in the

5:55

last stand network with the Nintendo

5:57

switch news. So we've got two new

5:59

episodes. out of punching up and the

6:01

one today was Gene had some

6:04

hands-on with the switch too so we

6:06

did a video with him and Brad

6:08

talking about it but the embargo was

6:10

at 9am and I just don't when

6:13

it comes to embargoes I never trust

6:15

a scheduler I'm like I'm not gonna

6:17

be the guy right that fucks

6:19

up someone else's embargo I'm

6:21

just not gonna do it so

6:23

while it wasn't super early I was

6:26

up a little earlier than normal to

6:28

to make sure that that that got

6:30

out on time. So yeah, everybody

6:32

go check out the switch to

6:34

coverage because we did quite a

6:36

lot. Yeah, I just want to

6:39

look, it's just a special episode,

6:41

not even numbered, which is good,

6:43

because that would have really annoyed

6:45

me. I was debating about it,

6:47

which is good, because that would

6:50

have really annoyed me. I was

6:52

debating about it, and then I

6:54

thought about the numbering. I didn't

6:57

even, so technically on patron. So,

6:59

But yeah, just a special episode

7:02

for everybody. Great, now I

7:04

got to pay Gene twice. Yeah, thanks

7:06

a lot. Sorry. Well, no, no, no, he

7:08

wasn't on the first one. Oh,

7:10

okay. Well, you don't, you don't,

7:12

you don't pay me shit for

7:14

the extra punching up episodes. Well,

7:16

it's nothing extra for being

7:18

on punching up. You pay

7:20

pretty well, don't you? Well, I'm, I

7:22

didn't say that. I just said I

7:25

don't get paid anything extra to be

7:27

on punching up. So you're net, you're

7:29

neutral. Yeah, and what you're paying people.

7:31

That's good. To remind people, my back

7:33

hurts, so I'm just going to be leaning back a

7:35

lot, looking like I'm mad. I've been looking at videos and

7:37

I'm like, my arms are always crossed. I'm like, yeah,

7:39

there's always a stern look about you. Yeah, we get into

7:41

that, I think, a little later in the show. Yeah, we

7:43

will. And a lot of people wrote in about Nintendo as

7:46

well. So a lot of people want to talk about

7:48

Nintendo, we want to talk about Nintendo, we will

7:50

talk about Nintendo, we will talk about Nintendo, we

7:52

will talk about that, we will talk about that, we

7:54

will talk about that, of course. There's not a

7:56

huge amount of news otherwise, but that makes perfect

7:58

sense when you think about it because obviously... everyone

8:00

is staying out of the way of Nintendo

8:02

and letting them do their thing. I think

8:05

that's very wise. So we'll talk about that.

8:07

But this is a PlayStation podcast. It's Sacred

8:09

Symbols. Sacred Symbols. The PlayStation Podcast is a

8:11

PlayStation podcast. In Sacred Symbols. Sacred Symbols. The

8:13

PlayStation Podcast in fact is the name. And

8:16

you can get it three days early and

8:18

Ed Free Over. On. And you can get

8:20

it three days early and Ed Free Over.

8:22

And Ed Free Over. Get RSS functionality and

8:25

so on and so forth. There are of

8:27

course dollar and two dollar tiers and ten

8:29

dollar and twenty five dollars tiers depending on

8:31

what you want, but go and explore. Explore

8:33

both the website and yourself at patreon.com/last and

8:36

media. Explore your bodies. Just don't explore yourself

8:38

with the website. Right. explore your but not

8:40

someone else's body but explore your own on

8:42

patreon.com yeah yeah put a piece of tape

8:44

put a piece of tape over your webcam

8:47

whenever you're on patreon on our patreon yeah

8:49

exactly because we are a piece of tape

8:51

over my my laptop camera yeah really I

8:53

remember I was talking about this a long

8:56

time ago Chris but that when I saw

8:58

an image of Mark Zuckerberg in a meeting

9:00

at Facebook with a fucking piece of tape

9:02

over his camera I'm like if he's doing

9:04

it Then obviously something's a miss and then

9:07

of course the reports came out being like

9:09

oh, yeah people at Amazon listen to you

9:11

over the fucking Alexa all the time It's

9:13

like oh good man. Let's have all these

9:15

live cameras live mics great Yeah, yeah, I

9:18

mean the PS5 controller literally has Yeah, I

9:20

want to rip it out. I wish I

9:22

remember when it was announced. I'm like I

9:24

wonder if we could take it apart just

9:27

rip the microphone out of it I mean

9:29

you could yeah, but it like I don't

9:31

like I don't am I'm like I'm like

9:33

I always can hit the button and then

9:35

who knows if it works or not but

9:38

when I turn the control around I always

9:40

hit the button so it turns orange the

9:42

Right yeah it bothers me though that like

9:44

whenever there's something about the orange light on

9:47

the on that mute button that really bothers

9:49

me because I'm just like I don't like

9:51

that all light is on to indicate that

9:53

something is off. You know what I mean?

9:55

Like it's something in my brain that's like,

9:58

I don't, I feel like it should be

10:00

the opposite in some way. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

10:02

I totally agree. Yeah, because yeah, it's, it's,

10:04

it's the IO, it's on. It's funny man,

10:06

like I think, I still have, I'm still

10:09

scarred of the PlayStation Vita version of PlayStation

10:11

All-Stars Battle Royale, Battle Royale, because it would

10:13

go, it would, they must have, they must

10:15

have patched, just, just, just, just, just, just,

10:18

just, just, just, just, just, just, at some,

10:20

at some, at some, at some, at some,

10:22

at some, at some, at some, at some,

10:24

at some, at some, at some, at some,

10:26

at some, at some, at some, at some,

10:29

at some, at some, It was the only

10:31

video game I knew that ever did this

10:33

and I played the shit out of it

10:35

is people know it would your mic would

10:37

just be live Oh, yeah, and like it

10:40

took me rounds to figure out I'm like

10:42

oh my god dude like what have we

10:44

even been saying? You know? Because I think

10:46

like at some point because someone's like oh,

10:49

hey or whatever I'm like what what? What?

10:51

Yeah, the shit out of someone with fucking

10:53

Dan Fortescu or whatever the hell I was

10:55

doing? The laundry room is

10:57

back here, I'm pointing at it.

10:59

And I always walk in there

11:01

naked with my laundry before I

11:03

get in the shower to throw

11:06

it in there. And I'm like,

11:08

what if the camera was just

11:10

on it? I'm just like, you

11:12

just see Colin's fucking plump white

11:14

body. Oh, that fat dong. Fat

11:16

dick. Well. Well, it's going to

11:18

be here with you guys today.

11:20

Sacred Symbols Plus, by the way,

11:22

I mentioned that earlier. That's our

11:24

supplement on patreon.com/Last Day Media for

11:26

our big fans where we get

11:28

into interviews and deep dives, game

11:30

discussions, so on and so forth.

11:32

Recently put up a split fiction,

11:34

review discussion, review discussion, that, and

11:36

so on and so forth. Recently

11:38

put up a split fiction review

11:40

discussion that Dustin and Hoag participated.

11:42

including, I have the notes here

11:44

actually, yeah, we talk a lot

11:46

about like Sony's position of kind

11:48

of putting them, they're the ones.

11:50

that predicated the game of like

11:52

we're going to have like an

11:54

arms race on how games look

11:56

and now they're suffering from it.

11:58

So we talk a lot about

12:00

that. Talk about steam on Xbox

12:02

and the rumors there and then

12:04

we talk about youbsoft which actually

12:06

there was an update today with

12:08

the youbsoft stuff where I'm pretty

12:10

sure they got sued by their

12:12

own shareholders over the deal with

12:14

Tencent to renegotiate the price because

12:16

I think they realize that they're

12:19

going to be stuck with this

12:21

increasingly worthless stock that is prede

12:23

Prince of Persia and steep. or

12:25

whatever, so they need to get

12:27

out of that. So I want

12:29

to talk to Hoag about that.

12:31

We're not going to talk about

12:33

that here. I need to read

12:35

the documentation, but I suspect he'll

12:37

be on the show again soon

12:39

again into all of that. So

12:41

yeah, we'll look forward to that.

12:43

Rajib Basu wrote in on, hello,

12:45

CDC, wrote in on, hello, CDC,

12:47

would you be willing to have

12:49

a temporary recurring segment in the

12:51

coming weeks to talk about the

12:53

last of a season two, complete

12:55

with season two, complete with spoilers.

12:57

No, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't,

12:59

I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't,

13:01

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't, because

13:03

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't, because

13:05

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't, because

13:07

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't, because

13:09

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't, because

13:11

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't, because

13:13

I wouldn't, because I'm, because I'm,

13:15

because I'm, because I'm, And that

13:17

will not be the weekly episode

13:19

of sacred symbols plus. So these

13:21

will be additive episodes of sacred

13:23

symbols plus. I got to figure

13:25

out who's going to participate. The

13:27

one thing that I know is

13:29

that I want it to be

13:32

the same group for every episode

13:34

because what we did the first

13:36

season and whatever that was, 22,

13:38

23. What I recall was that

13:40

we would switch people in sometimes

13:42

and then they have things to

13:44

say or like that we've already,

13:46

in other words, it wasn't a

13:48

continuous conversation. Honestly, Dustin, the group

13:50

that I'm thinking of is me,

13:52

you, and Micah. I don't want

13:54

to put anyone, I mean, anyone

13:56

can participate, but let's be honest,

13:58

I don't feel bad about asking

14:00

you and Micah to do things.

14:02

So, certainly. Right. So, um, that's

14:04

what I'm thinking we're going to

14:06

do. Yeah. The thing that we

14:08

need to figure out how... If

14:10

that's the day we want to

14:12

release those extra episodes. No, I'm

14:14

not worried about the... I'm not

14:16

worried about the scheduling. Oh, okay.

14:18

We'll just... We'll record and publish

14:20

them on Monday or something. Don't

14:22

worry about that. Okay. Yeah, we're

14:24

going to continue to publish things

14:26

on Sundays. In fact, we have

14:28

a few things lined up for

14:30

Sundays that are going to be

14:32

very fun, I think very soon.

14:34

But yeah, don't worry about that.

14:36

Don't fear about that. These will

14:38

just be little supplements, little celebrations.

14:40

Yeah. And until dawn, I think,

14:42

is next Friday? So maybe we'll,

14:44

what will we do? Yeah, maybe

14:47

we'll just go see it and

14:49

record it that day or something,

14:51

I don't know, that night, or

14:53

maybe that weekend, just get it

14:55

out of the way, and then

14:57

that will be a core episode

14:59

of, we can sit on that

15:01

for even a week if we

15:03

want to, we'll figure it out,

15:05

we'll sit on that for even

15:07

a week if we want to,

15:09

we'll figure it out. And leave

15:11

us nice reviews on podcast services.

15:13

You can leave a comment on

15:15

the video. You can like us

15:17

on YouTube. Find us on all

15:19

the different social media platforms. Do

15:21

whatever it is you want to

15:23

do. Just make sure to be

15:25

exploring your body while you're doing

15:27

it. Let's get into some topics

15:29

of discussion. You didn't like that,

15:31

Chris? What? You didn't like that?

15:33

Oh, no. I just, I just,

15:35

I feel like I was going

15:37

to be recurring every now and

15:39

again. No. I'm no stranger to

15:41

that. Yeah, I beat something. There's

15:43

a few things I beat. All

15:45

right. We like to beat things

15:47

down here. Oh, we like to

15:49

beat our meat a little bit

15:51

more deliberately down here. Little more

15:53

finesse. Yeah. It's all in the

15:55

wrist boy. It's all in the

15:57

little more pazares. Ellie. Oh no!

16:00

Al Zafino wrote in to us on

16:03

Patreon. Remember, look for the different threads

16:05

in the newsfeed on Patreon each week

16:07

for the different shows. You can submit

16:09

to them. We pour through them for

16:11

the various shows and then pull your

16:13

inquiries out. So many of you wanted

16:16

to talk about Nintendo. There's only so

16:18

much to say about Nintendo. So not

16:20

a lot of inquiries about other things.

16:22

We had like 200 inquiries or something

16:24

this week, but I would say half

16:27

of them. We're about Nintendo. So we'll

16:29

get there. Hope all as well. Last

16:31

July, Colin was kind enough to read

16:33

my comment about my wife finishing her

16:35

chemo treatments. I'm happy to say she

16:37

recently had her first scan and everything

16:40

came back clean. Her name is Crystal,

16:42

by the way. I believe you guys

16:44

speculated her name was Alberta, which made

16:46

us laugh. I wish I remembered. Her

16:48

name was Alberta, which made us laugh.

16:51

I wish I remember these things. It's

16:53

because his name is Al. No, her

16:55

name is Alberta. I was curious you

16:57

guys ever thought about being the next

16:59

generation of the next generation of gamers.

17:01

Last week you guys made an eye-to-eye

17:04

comment and I explained to my son

17:06

what the brown eye is so he

17:08

understood the reference. He thought it was

17:10

the funniest joke you'd ever heard. You

17:12

guys are speaking to a lot more

17:15

adolescents than you realize. Keep being great

17:17

to stay well. That's crazy. Nine years

17:19

old, the brown eye, I mean, reduce

17:21

it to its essence. That's not that

17:23

bad. No. Little boys telling fart jokes

17:25

and poop jokes and poop jokes and

17:28

they understand it. So like, right. I

17:30

would have a problem if it was

17:32

sexualized if it was sexualized. But actually

17:34

that's totally an agnostic term in my

17:36

opinion. Yeah, so you mean like within

17:39

the first five minutes if we were

17:41

talking about Colin's big flat plumpy dick,

17:43

for example, beating it off. That might

17:45

be fun explaining that one, Al and

17:47

Alberta got a lot to explain to

17:49

little Alberts. It's kind of funny to

17:52

imagine that we would be like some.

17:54

I don't know when I was a

17:56

kid it was like Mark Levin when

17:58

you were you were probably younger it

18:00

was like Rush Limbaugh I love the

18:03

idea of just like we are that

18:05

for like Just some random kids out

18:07

there, you know. Yeah, just just trapped,

18:09

you know, in the car in the

18:11

back seat of a fucking Highlander with

18:13

their fucking dad playing the shit with

18:16

me talking about beating meat in a

18:18

southern man voice. It's a very curious

18:20

situation for... I'm sorry a little one.

18:22

It'll be over soon. Yeah. Dustin, did

18:24

you know what a brown eye was

18:27

when you were nine years old? I

18:29

don't think so. Yeah, it was a

18:31

little, probably behind on some lingo as

18:33

though I have learned some recent lingo.

18:35

My friend Brandon, I've mentioned many times,

18:37

he's always keeping me appraised. I learned

18:40

about the huzz recently, which is just

18:42

another word for hoes. Oh, okay, cool.

18:44

I like that's the huzz. Yeah. So

18:46

I'm trying to keep up to date.

18:48

The sluts. The whores. explaining the brown

18:51

eye to your nine-year-old isn't that bad

18:53

in comparison to all the other shit

18:55

on the show. I'm just thinking about

18:57

a dad explaining that joke and that's

18:59

what got me. Can you, I think

19:01

about this, I obviously don't have children,

19:04

maybe I will one day, but it's

19:06

like, when can you see eye to

19:08

eye with your child? And I'm not

19:10

talking eye to brown eye. In other

19:12

words, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

19:15

sit down with a little, so Al

19:17

and Alberta, with Alberto. Right? And he's

19:19

nine years old. And they're like, this

19:21

is what the brown eye is. Now

19:23

you kind of have to accept that

19:25

he's not going to tell his friends

19:28

or say something off kilter in school.

19:30

Right? Because then it makes you look

19:32

like a bad parent or like you're

19:34

careless. Sure. When can you be on

19:36

the level with the child in other

19:39

words? Like I'll give you an example.

19:41

When I was in middle school, I've

19:43

said this before, and I've said this.

19:45

They would often like once once every

19:47

few weeks even but like once a

19:49

month would just be like don't go

19:52

to school on Friday we're gonna go

19:54

to a movie and I So I

19:56

used to see like all these movies

19:58

like the first showing. Like the, like,

20:00

and I knew better than the say

20:03

that I was doing that. Right. Right.

20:05

I wasn't going into Catholic school on

20:07

the Monday and being like, yeah, my

20:09

mom and dad brought me to see

20:11

deep impact. You know, sure, yeah. So

20:13

I wonder, so the same thing here

20:16

with Alberto, where I'm like, can we

20:18

trust that he's not going to go

20:20

to school, talk about his teachers brown

20:22

eye or something? And then bring great

20:24

shame on the Zafino family. I don't

20:27

know. That's the gamble. I would argue,

20:29

like, I don't know, like, I feel

20:31

like 10 or 11. He's right on

20:33

that cusp. I don't think it's that

20:35

big of a deal. I just think

20:37

it's, I think the concept of explaining

20:40

that to a child is hilarious. Especially

20:42

like, unprompted. Because like, I'm not sure,

20:44

like, like, we're assuming that the kid

20:46

was like, what's that the kid was

20:48

like, what's that the kid was like,

20:51

what's like, like, like, like, Right, but

20:53

we prompted the question. But the boy

20:55

didn't prompt. That's what I'm saying. I

20:57

wonder if there was even a quag.

20:59

I like the idea of like us

21:01

saying that and then him just turning

21:04

with a blank stare being like, you

21:06

want me to explain this son? So

21:08

you don't repeat this? I don't know.

21:10

I mean kids are saying all sorts

21:12

of crazy shit anyway, whatever. I don't

21:15

even know what they're talking about half

21:17

the time. Now I realize like the

21:19

new term people say is crashing crashing

21:21

crashing. It's funny because it's like, I

21:23

don't even feel like, like who, I

21:26

really love the etymology of these things

21:28

and how unknowable they were, like who

21:30

started that? Someone started saying that. I

21:32

think about that with so many different

21:34

things. Of course the great example is

21:36

420, right? And how they have tracked

21:39

down where that came from and like

21:41

Santa fucking cruise or something in the

21:43

60s and they used to meet at

21:45

420 after school to smoke. But it's

21:47

like, how did that just become a

21:50

thing? And then someone innocuously, like one

21:52

day was like, yeah, I'm off school,

21:54

I can meet at 420. And then

21:56

like, fucking 70 years later, it's just

21:58

like part of the vernacular. I find

22:00

that quite interesting, personally. It's awesome. Yeah.

22:03

Well, you can even see like now,

22:05

maybe we discussed this lightly, but when

22:07

we, growing up, even five years ago, he said

22:09

a goon, it's like, oh, it's a henchman.

22:11

Right. But now to goon, being a goon, being

22:13

a gooner, completely different.

22:16

Definitely. Hockey goon is like the

22:18

name I would think of the most

22:20

with that, like that was like a

22:22

tournament. Well, that's like a tournament. Well,

22:24

that's like a whole different. Well, that's

22:26

like a whole different. You

22:28

can't even begin to imagine.

22:31

You're slapping your nuts around

22:33

with a hockey stick, perhaps?

22:35

Ooh. It's like the fucking

22:37

ice capades. Alsifino, thank you

22:40

for writing in. Alberta? Be

22:42

well. And congrats to his

22:44

wife, who's cancer-free. Yeah, that's why

22:46

I said Alberta. Oh, right, right.

22:48

I thought that was the kid.

22:51

I thought that was the kid.

22:53

No, Alberto, yeah. He's going up

22:55

in Alcatres after this. We're on

22:57

one today. We got a little,

23:00

we got a little bit of

23:02

a, got a little bit of

23:04

a routine going on here. Yeah.

23:06

What's the thing that you sent

23:09

us, Colin, where he's like, let

23:11

us sit down and do improv,

23:13

improviseable, oh, is that Lee of

23:16

Decid? Yeah, I'm improvisational comedy. In

23:18

improvisational comedy. Oh, no, it's not

23:20

Ted, what's, what's that British show?

23:22

Oh, what's that British show? Yeah, I know

23:25

what you're talking about. One of the very short-lived,

23:27

all other things he does is short-lip, that's British.

23:29

But yeah, I know, I didn't know, I wasn't even familiar with

23:31

it until I saw that clip, and I just thought it was

23:33

so funny. By the way, you guys didn't respond to the

23:35

clip that I sent you last week of the guy talking about

23:37

how he has four days and one day. Did you did

23:39

you what you know I do remember that now,

23:42

but it was late at night and I thought

23:44

I'll watch it tomorrow and then I forgot

23:46

Dude, it's so funny because there's it's

23:48

a video that's so funny on like

23:50

seven different levels that you have to

23:52

watch it over and over again to

23:54

get the To get why it's so funny

23:56

like it's funny immediately, but like if

23:59

you continue to watch it, there's other things that are

24:01

funny about it. It's a guy basically saying that he lives his life

24:03

in six-hour increments. Oh, I did see this. I have seen this. I

24:05

remember when you said it, I was like, I think I've seen that

24:07

before. And what's funny about it, like my favorite part about it, is

24:09

he says something, well, here, hold on, I'll see if I can get

24:11

it loud enough. Oh man. People love it when we do this on

24:13

the snark tank when we pull up, when we pull up videos on

24:15

videos on our videos on our videos on our phones, when we pull

24:17

up videos on our phones, when we pull up videos on our phones,

24:19

when we pull up videos on our phones, on our phones, on our

24:21

phones, you, you, you, on, on, on, on, on, on, on our phones,

24:23

on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on,

24:25

on, on, on is

24:27

6 a.m. to noon and I'm

24:29

not crazy. You're crazy for thinking

24:31

it takes 24 hours just like

24:33

some dude in the cave did

24:35

300 years ago. My second day

24:37

starts at noon and goes till

24:39

6 p.m. That's day two. And

24:41

then the next day is 6

24:43

p.m. midnight. What I've done now

24:45

is I've changed a manipulated time.

24:47

I now get 21 days a

24:49

week. Stack it up over 10

24:51

years and you're fucking dead. But...

24:53

Dude, there's the funniest thing is

24:55

in the beginning. See if you

24:58

can identify what's funny about this,

25:00

because when Mike and I identified

25:02

that this is what he said,

25:04

I thought it was the funniest

25:06

part of the video, hold on.

25:08

This is why I wanted to

25:10

get into it. He said 6am

25:12

to noon, and I'm not crazy.

25:14

You're crazy for thinking it takes

25:16

24 hours, just like some dude

25:18

in a cave did 300 years

25:20

ago. Yeah, yeah. That is the

25:22

funniest part of the video. It

25:24

is pretty good. It's fun, dude.

25:26

I, he thinks caveman times are

25:28

300 years. Yeah, exactly. Well, I

25:30

guess it would be if under

25:32

his understanding of time, it kind

25:34

of would be, you know? There's

25:36

like, there's, there's a time dilation

25:38

argument there. Where like if he

25:40

thinks that much, if he thinks

25:42

there's 21 days in like a

25:44

day or something, how does that

25:46

stack up over time? Like would

25:48

it be further away or closer

25:50

or closer? I don't know. That

25:52

video is insane. I sent you

25:54

a video of this clip of

25:56

some guy watching that Kanye interview

25:58

and he just... Oh yeah. And

26:00

he skips. He's like, oh I

26:02

just... I just skipped 10 seconds

26:04

into this Kani interview. And it's

26:06

just like the guy walking into

26:08

Kani's house and you see the

26:10

phone, skip 10 seconds and he

26:12

walks out in the black KK

26:14

get up. It's like, it's incredible,

26:16

it's incredible. There are two responses

26:18

to this that I think are

26:20

funny is one is the guy

26:22

saying like things are getting crazy

26:24

because now things are being measured

26:26

in days per day, which I

26:28

think is like the funniest. Yep,

26:30

that sounds like... Oh my god,

26:32

that, the caveman 300 years ago

26:34

thing like that is the fucking,

26:36

I was belly laughing when I

26:38

heard that, I was fucking brilliant,

26:40

is he's fucking brilliant, is he

26:42

being facetious? I don't know, but

26:44

he's definitely dominating me, I mean

26:46

there's like no doubt that a

26:48

guy like that with that kind

26:50

of drive, he does more in

26:52

one of his six hour days

26:54

than I do in probably a

26:56

week. Well yeah, he's psychotic. He's

26:58

clearly a psychopath. That's insane and

27:00

his family hates him. Yeah Fucking

27:02

awesome. I love my god. That's

27:04

like one of my favorite. That's

27:06

a low-key. That's a fucking banger

27:08

of a video in mind. Yeah.

27:10

It sums up the internet bro

27:12

culture, especially like so well. It's

27:14

so good. That guy's a fucking

27:16

artist. I don't know if he

27:18

knows it or not. Sacred Symbols

27:20

is sponsored by OperaGX, the web

27:22

browser made specifically for gamers, tech

27:24

enthusiasts, and those who want lots

27:26

and lots of options. Learn more

27:28

for yourself right now at operagx.org/Sacred

27:30

Symbols. For decades now, we've interfaced

27:32

with the internet via a browser.

27:34

It's how you've always gone to

27:36

your favorite websites, for instance. And

27:38

over all of these years, the

27:40

major players in the space have

27:42

changed time and time again, at

27:44

least for the most part. You

27:46

don't hear much about Netscape Navigator

27:48

and MSIE anymore, do you? But

27:50

actually, one player in the browser

27:52

wars from the mid-90s is still

27:54

very much on the scene, opera.

27:57

And as they've been quietly churning

27:59

away behind the scenes for all

28:01

this time, they stumbled upon a

28:03

revolutionary idea back in 2019. A

28:05

deeply specialized browser for those who

28:07

are, well, a little too online.

28:09

This idea is OperaGX, a browser

28:11

that comes packed with tons of

28:13

tools while limiting its footprint on

28:15

your computer so that it eats

28:17

up as few of your precious

28:19

resources as possible while you're playing,

28:21

say, a game or streaming your

28:23

content or just having like 8,000

28:25

windows open for totally arbitrary reasons.

28:27

OperaGX supports a ton of its

28:29

own mods for sure are many

28:31

thousands of them that do everything

28:33

from customizing fonts to monitoring the

28:35

brightness of whatever you're looking at.

28:37

But the most interesting thing from

28:39

my perspective is the inclusion of

28:41

some otherwise external options that with

28:43

OperaGX come built in as a

28:45

standard. OperaGX is fully integrated with

28:47

ChatGPT for instance, while you won't

28:49

have to download any external ad

28:51

blockers or VPNs because all of

28:53

that functionality is built right in.

28:55

And hey, if you're wary because

28:57

you've been using something else for

28:59

a really long time, that totally

29:01

makes sense. Just know that you

29:03

can import all of your settings

29:05

though, from say, Chrome, right into

29:07

OperaGX like your browser history, bookmarks

29:09

and cookies. Oh, and OperaGX is

29:11

compatible with every extension on Chrome

29:13

on Chrome too. That's kind of

29:15

crazy. Why not try operaGX for

29:17

yourself today? You can download the

29:19

app completely for free right the

29:21

second by heading to operagx.org/sacred symbols.

29:23

That's O-P-E-R-A-G-X-D-S-L-S-S-A-C-R-E-D-S-S-A-C-R-E-D-S-E-D-S-E-D-S-E-D-S-A-S-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I Sacred Symbols is sponsored

29:25

by Nord-VpN, a powerful tool for

29:27

those that want maximal options while

29:29

online, tools that can protect your

29:31

data, allow you to spoof your

29:33

location, and so much more. Learn

29:35

more for yourself at your convenience

29:37

by heading to nord-vpn.com/sacred. Vpens or

29:39

virtual private networks are so inherently

29:41

and blatantly useful that even borderline

29:43

luddites like yours truly know what

29:45

the deal is. See, Vpens have

29:47

a wide range of uses for

29:49

the whole family. And if you

29:51

just wrap your mind around their

29:53

full functionality, well... It's unlikely you'll

29:55

ever go back. NordVP wraps all

29:57

the perks of deploying a VPN

29:59

into a single, easy to use,

30:01

easy to understand, and affordable. package

30:03

with a litany of obvious uses.

30:05

I'll give you a personal use

30:07

case for me, which is sports.

30:09

With abusive local blackout rules, arbitrary

30:11

lines drawn between who can and

30:13

cannot watch an event by country

30:15

borders and so on, I've deployed

30:17

a VPN on more than a

30:19

few occasions over the years just

30:21

so I can see what I

30:23

can see what I want to

30:25

see. And you can do the

30:27

very same thing with Nord VPN,

30:29

tricking your local network into thinking

30:31

you're in a different place in

30:33

the country or world so that

30:35

you too can enjoy the fruits

30:37

of say the fruits of say

30:39

the fruits of say the fruits.

30:41

Maybe that's just me, but I

30:43

know a lot of you out

30:45

there love soccer, for instance, and

30:47

Nord-V-P-N is particularly useful there. But

30:49

there are a ton of other

30:51

uses worth noting too. An underappreciated

30:53

aspect of Nord-V-P-N is your ability

30:55

to spoof your location to get

30:58

cheaper products, better deals, and so

31:00

on. Access foreign auctions, price match

31:02

by region, and whatever else to

31:04

your heart's content. all the while

31:06

making public Wi-Fi way safer to

31:08

use. And of course, it'll block

31:10

ads, scan downloads, and warn you

31:12

about shady links too, no problem.

31:14

With 7,300 servers and counting in

31:16

118 countries around the world, NordVP

31:18

runs on just about everything you

31:20

can imagine, your iOS and Android

31:22

phones, your Windows, Mac, and Linux

31:24

computers, and even your gaming hardware.

31:26

So as you can blatantly see

31:28

Nord-VP rules, and you should check

31:30

it out for yourself. To try

31:32

Nord-VPN risk-free, risk-free, risk-free. head to

31:34

nordvpn.com/Sacred Today. That's N-O-R-D-V-P-N-D-P-N-O-R-D-P-N-O-R-P-N-T-to-N-T-to-N-to-N-O-R-D-to-N-O-R-D-P-N-P-N-O-R-D-P-P-N-O-R-D-P-P-P-P-N-N-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-N-N-N-N-N-N-N-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O- I was

31:36

watching the latest from one of

31:38

my favorite YouTube channels, Idiots and

31:40

Cars, highly recommended. I don't know

31:42

this channel, and I'm very eager

31:44

to get into it, especially because

31:46

there are apparently 150 episodes of

31:48

it at least. When I noticed

31:50

something peculiar, in Idiots and Cars,

31:52

number 150, at the 342 mark,

31:54

you can see a Florida man

31:56

driving in reverse down the left

31:58

lane of some four-lane road. The

32:00

background audio is of our very own Sacred

32:02

Symbols podcast playing with Chris Reagan going on

32:04

about some final fantasy nerd shit. The question

32:06

is who is this mysterious Sacred Symbols listener

32:08

capturing the latest escapades of Florida Man?

32:11

What else have you caught Florida Man doing while

32:13

listening to Dustin Drone on for 15 to 20

32:15

minutes about each topic every show? There's a link.

32:17

So if you guys want to find it, it's idiots

32:19

and cars number 150 from the YouTube channel idiots

32:21

and cars, which is a hundred ninety five thousand,

32:24

idiots and cars, which is a hundred ninety five.

32:26

And the time stamp is 222

32:28

seconds, so that would be 342.

32:30

And Sacred Symbols is clear as

32:33

day playing in the background. Chris,

32:35

what's going on with you? Because

32:37

this happened to your other show,

32:39

Snark Tank, as well. Yeah. Another

32:41

online funny video situation. This is

32:43

a... This reminds me that yes,

32:46

the show actually does get

32:48

listened to by people, and it's not

32:50

just a fake game that someone's

32:53

coordinating on me. It's surreal

32:55

to see this. I love this shit,

32:57

but like it does kind of put

32:59

into perspective, it's like, oh yeah, there

33:01

are a lot of people, like genuinely

33:04

listening. It doesn't feel that

33:06

way, like it feels that way,

33:08

like it feels that way, like it feels

33:10

that way when we do a live show,

33:12

you know what I mean? Or like when

33:15

we're in person meeting, but like most of

33:17

the time it just kind of feels like

33:19

numbers on a board, doesn't really seem

33:21

like, I understand now. that I'm in

33:23

like a live studio space with like

33:25

an audience or whatever but like if

33:27

you're out of that space for it's

33:29

very easy to forget. And so seeing

33:31

shit like this like makes my day

33:33

man I love this. The yeah the

33:35

last one was Star Tank in like

33:37

the background of some dash cam footage

33:39

of some other guy getting into a crazy

33:42

accident and it's weird it's it's cool I

33:44

love stuff like this and it also reminds

33:46

me that like oh we're just the mathematics

33:49

of it for both of my shows it's just like

33:51

oh it's cool to know that Both of these things

33:53

are popular enough to be seen in like the wilderness

33:55

in this capacity. You know what I mean? Like it's

33:57

cool, because I don't really think about it that way.

34:00

I think we just meet up here

34:02

and tell horrible dick jokes. Yeah. Talk

34:04

about crank and hogs. Crank and hogs.

34:06

On the new season of crank and

34:09

hogs. Oof. Dustin, any thoughts on being,

34:11

well you weren't in it I guess,

34:13

but we're there nonetheless. In spirit, that

34:16

was a pretty funny clip too. Yeah.

34:18

Well we hear stories of things that

34:20

happen to people all the time while

34:23

they're listening to the show but it's

34:25

a rare moment where one of these

34:27

is captured on video and so I

34:30

absolutely love seeing this so and it's

34:32

it's just I love that someone just

34:34

found it out in the wild too

34:37

these these types of things happen every

34:39

once in a while where someone's I

34:41

mean Instagram video from I don't know

34:44

if it was some like fitness Instagram

34:46

Tik Talk guy And at one point

34:48

in the video, there's a guy that's

34:51

like in the background wearing a sacred

34:53

symbol shirt, just like mysterious, you know,

34:55

there is, just for a second. It's

34:58

like George Lucas going into the office

35:00

building. Yeah, in the documentary. So it's

35:02

nice, it's fun. So please, you know,

35:05

if you are listening to Sacred and

35:07

you got a dash cam, if you

35:09

wreck your car, send it in. Or

35:12

have a loved one, send it in

35:14

if you're, you know, you know, dead.

35:16

We talk about George Lucas way too

35:19

much for a PlayStation podcast, but I

35:21

still don't understand what he's doing in

35:23

some of these shots that he's in.

35:26

Like where are you going? You're George

35:28

Lucas, like what are you even doing?

35:30

You know, you're going, you're eating a

35:33

Panda Express? I'm just vibing out. But

35:35

no, Pan Express is fine, it's just,

35:37

if I were George Lucas, I would

35:40

hire someone to make me an exact

35:42

replica of whatever it is I wanted

35:44

in my house. Right. Like, I don't

35:47

know, I'm just like, go, go, you

35:49

don't need to be at the fucking

35:51

mall, George. Go back to the Skywalker

35:54

Ranch. Yeah, like, he really can just

35:56

do what, like, there are people who

35:58

are infinitely less famous than him, or

36:01

infinitely less influential than him, I should

36:03

say, who also can do whatever they

36:05

want. You know what I mean? Like,

36:08

what the fucking, like, and then meanwhile.

36:10

Yeah, George Lucas has just ate a

36:12

food, not even in a panda expression,

36:15

like a mall food court. Right. Yeah,

36:17

with like a panda express. Right. Like

36:19

that's even, I don't know if that's

36:22

crazier or less cra, you know what

36:24

I mean? Like, is it crazier for

36:26

him to be in a mall in

36:29

the first place? Right. Dana panda express,

36:31

like I kind of feel that way.

36:33

Yeah, you're right. I think you're right.

36:36

And I feel like there's a gambit

36:38

in his mind in his mind. Even

36:40

people that are not really very connected

36:43

to Star Wars or India or anything

36:45

like that know who George Lucas is

36:47

I mean But it can't be me

36:50

right? Right. Yeah, like it can't be

36:52

me. It couldn't it couldn't be him.

36:54

Yeah, and I wonder if that's Because

36:57

dead up if I saw George Lucas

36:59

in a fucking food court. I would

37:01

100% know is him and I'd be

37:04

like I'm going to talk to George

37:06

Lucas See what happens. I think there's

37:08

too much doubt in people. I think

37:11

everybody's like, yeah, that can't be him.

37:13

And he's probably sitting there, man, like,

37:15

I'm hidden in plain sight. Like a

37:18

Jedi. Like a Jedi. Like a Jedi

37:20

assassin. They'll never find me. Gonna eat

37:22

my Chinese cholupa, or whatever the fuck

37:25

they make it. I've never had Pan

37:27

Express in my life, actually. I've had

37:29

it last time in high school. And

37:32

there was something, you know when you're

37:34

a kid and you just don't understand

37:36

anything, so there's like something almost like

37:38

romanticized about it, it's like, oh, it's

37:41

fall, mall food, Chinese food, that's awesome.

37:43

And then like years later, you're like,

37:45

dude, you like were surrounded by amazing.

37:48

Sajuan Chinese food like you could trip

37:50

over. I know, I know. I know.

37:52

China Express or like whatever, you had

37:55

to express? It's like, come on man.

37:57

It's how I felt when I was

37:59

like 10 years old that my parents

38:02

would order like dominoes. I was like,

38:04

what are you doing? Yeah, that's going

38:06

on. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

38:09

Yeah, that, that, that, that, to be

38:11

fair, like, I don't know, 99 thin

38:13

crusts crust dominoes, kind of slapped in

38:16

a way that like, kind of slapped

38:18

in a way that like, like, like,

38:20

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:23

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:25

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:27

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:30

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

38:32

like, like, like, like, right we ordered

38:34

delivery dominoes like what it's important in

38:37

the history of dominoes that we remember

38:39

that dominoes was actually good once and

38:41

then it got bad and that was

38:44

the whole ad campaign right and they

38:46

got better and they got better again

38:48

and I all we've I mean we

38:51

talked about this way too much for

38:53

a sacred for a PlayStation podcast but

38:55

it's like sometimes I'm in the mood

38:58

for bad pizza yeah sometimes I want

39:00

bad pizza like I'm like yeah Papa

39:02

John sounds like it's really good right

39:05

now I'm getting on it Just pepperoni

39:07

basic. Yeah, a little more this George

39:09

Lucas sitting in a dominoes like I

39:12

want everything on one pie Hot and

39:14

ready the pepperoni is the key to

39:16

all of this I want the pepperonies

39:19

to emanate from the center. It's like

39:21

a Fibonacci spiral. It's it twirls I

39:23

don't know what the fuck we're talking

39:26

about I know it's like not even

39:28

Andreas Len Artson wrote in and said

39:30

hi, during your plastic straw discussion last

39:33

week, I couldn't stop thinking about the

39:35

Swedish word for it. The word is

39:37

sugrur, which translates to sucking pipe. Just

39:40

thought I should share, all the best

39:42

from Sweden. I don't understand what's going

39:44

on with foreign languages of any kind.

39:47

I don't know why some of them

39:49

are so comical. You know, everyone always

39:51

makes fun of Dutch, but I feel

39:54

like some other really strong competitors in

39:56

the world. the Scandinavian languages are probably

39:58

in that. in that conversation,

40:00

if I'm being honest. Yeah, absolutely. Speaking

40:03

of sucking pipe. You're like, all right,

40:05

so it's sugar-ore with a little line

40:07

over the O. I don't even know.

40:10

Is it a line or is that

40:12

a new layout? What is that? No,

40:14

it's two dots. It is two dots.

40:17

It is two dots. It looks like

40:19

a line from here. Probably because I'm

40:21

blind, I'm blind, I don't know. I

40:24

have no idea. I have no idea.

40:26

I have no idea. I can't speak

40:28

Swedish on it. That's my, that's the

40:31

only way that I could even get

40:33

close to that area of the world.

40:35

Right. Everybody's Russian over there to me.

40:38

But could, so, sucking pipe is, is

40:40

the word for straw, but is there

40:42

also a Swedish euphemism for that because

40:45

it's so sexual. Right. I don't know.

40:47

Probably, probably Hergen-Durgen or some shit. Hergen-Durgen,

40:49

Hergen-Gendurgen. Oh my goodness. Hopball as well

40:52

as well in Sweden-Swen-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-Swed-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S Andres, thank you

40:54

for writing in. Sir Jordan said, hey

40:56

Colin, do you have any new gardening

40:59

or log on care plans this year?

41:01

How are the perennials coming in? I

41:03

just thought I got a quick check

41:05

on the best house in the neighborhood.

41:08

Thanks for all the entertainment. I'll hang

41:10

up and listen now. Let me tell

41:12

you something. So glad you asked. Few

41:15

things going on in the world of

41:17

Collins Yard. Number one, I got two

41:19

mose in before anyone got one in

41:22

this year. Okay? Because the grass is

41:24

fucking roaring, roaring, roaring, roaring, roaring, roaring,

41:26

roaring, roaring back. aerated, we've overseeded, we've

41:29

put the nitrates on it, we've done

41:31

all sorts of things to it, then

41:33

by we mean the person I pay

41:36

to do that. And now, and you

41:38

know, and then it starts to turn,

41:40

you know, and then it's spring, there's

41:43

just a little, little hint, little whisper

41:45

of heat and sun, and these things

41:47

are fucking roaring back, and I got

41:50

a mow the lawn, so I've already

41:52

done it twice, it's been a lot

41:54

of fun. Everything seems to be coming

41:57

back nicely. The ginkgo tree is budding

41:59

very nicely. The

42:01

crate myrtle out front looking good.

42:03

It's very boring, isn't it? I'm

42:05

sorry. I realize as I got

42:07

older, these are one of the

42:09

few joys I have in my

42:11

life as the yard. Kind of just

42:13

poking around out there, keeping it

42:15

nice. The perennials are looking good.

42:17

Thank you. We're going to get annual

42:20

soon. Get going with those as

42:22

well. Shout off all the fellow

42:24

yard enthusiasts. I know you're out there.

42:26

I hear from you ever went

42:28

on again. Enjoy your mow as

42:30

well. Colin using a cat

42:32

is a living fleshlight wrote in. Oh my

42:34

god. So it said hello sacred crew. Yeah

42:36

that was a little disturbing isn't it? Yeah.

42:39

Benjamin Franklin. I feel like this is a

42:41

little unfair yeah because like they're paying for

42:43

me to say that on the show but

42:45

now they're kind of getting twice as much

42:47

value by like I feel like the second

42:49

you see a name like this you shouldn't

42:52

be you shouldn't read it. You know what

42:54

I mean? Because they're double dipping in some

42:56

sense. It's interesting. Okay. I don't know. I

42:58

don't know. I don't know. I don't like

43:00

it. Let's ponder it. Let's ponder it. So

43:02

it's a low sacred crew. Benjamin Franklin once

43:04

said he'd give up excessive eating, drinking, and

43:07

even chess in favor of exercise so he

43:09

can get rid of his crippling gout, but

43:11

he never did. With that in mind, what

43:13

things do you indulge in that are clearly

43:15

bad for? when I was losing weight about

43:17

a little over a year ago now. There's

43:19

nothing that I engulf in that's like really

43:22

that bad that I think of. I mean,

43:24

I'll never give up coffee ever. Yeah, but

43:26

is it coffee for you? No. I mean,

43:28

it can be. I've drank enough coffee to

43:30

make it bad for me. You know, you're

43:32

riding a razor's edge of total meltdown sometimes.

43:34

It's zero calories, right? If you drink it

43:37

black. Yeah. I've always confused by that like

43:39

how can that possible. Surely like how could

43:41

it exist as something you know but also

43:43

be zero calories like water I get. This

43:45

is very mysterious. Well why does water why

43:47

does water make sense and the other thing

43:49

doesn't? Hmm. It's not a nutrient it's like

43:52

the it's like the I don't know my

43:54

chemistry well enough anymore but it's like the

43:56

agent or something or whatever it is it's

43:58

like the the conduit by which everything works

44:00

like everything has water in it. So it

44:02

would make sense that it, yeah, but I

44:04

guess you're right, like I just, I don't

44:07

really understand how that works. But I believe-

44:09

They're gonna be honest with you. I really

44:11

still to this day don't even fully understand

44:13

what a calorie is. People talk about like

44:15

on burning calories and it's like, and I've

44:17

heard the explanation a million times, but to

44:19

me, like when I hear it, I'm like,

44:22

I fail to connect it to anything of

44:24

meaning. A unit of energy equivalent to the

44:26

heat energy needed to raise the temperature of

44:28

one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

44:30

The fuck does that mean to me? You

44:32

know what I mean? Like, when you hear

44:34

that, you're like, oh, I guess a lot

44:37

of these are bad. Like, I don't know.

44:39

I have no idea what the fuck this

44:41

means. Yeah. Food is the thing, though, for

44:43

me, I think. Where I'm just like, I

44:45

don't know. Pizza's not good for me, but

44:47

like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I

44:49

don't, I don't, whatever. Right. Right. Right. Like,

44:52

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, so

44:54

little, like, so little, so little, so little,

44:56

so little, so little, so little, so little,

44:58

so little, so little, so little, so little

45:00

in this, so little in this, like, like,

45:02

like, so little in this, like, like, like,

45:04

like, like, like It gives me as much

45:07

joy as a good slice, or like a

45:09

good like a good meal, or like a

45:11

good drink, like, eh, whatever. Eating is definitely

45:13

for me too. The weed's probably, probably bad

45:15

too, although, did we talk about this, well,

45:17

maybe this is one of the reasons why

45:19

I shouldn't stop smoking, I don't remember if

45:22

we talked about this on this show or

45:24

another show, but it came up recently that

45:26

I was like, maybe it was on consolation,

45:28

that doctors just don't seem to give a

45:30

fuck. I always come, you know, they ask,

45:32

do you drink? Do you smoke? Do you

45:34

work out? Do you, and so I'm like,

45:37

do you drink? Yeah, occasionally. Like, sure, yeah.

45:39

Do you smoke? And then I'll always say,

45:41

I don't smoke cigarettes or tobacco, I smoke

45:43

weed. And they're like, yeah, we mean tobacco.

45:45

And then they move on to the next

45:47

question, like it didn't matter. It happens every

45:49

time with like a dozen doctors in my

45:52

own. I'm like, so

45:54

no one seems to

45:56

give a shit. Like

45:58

no one has ever

46:00

in a doctor's appointment

46:02

ever been like, you

46:04

should stop smoking marijuana. No,

46:08

never happened. Never happened to me. I've

46:10

been told to drink less. I've been told

46:12

to eat less. I've been told to

46:14

eat better and all the rest. And but

46:16

never that never like, yeah, you should.

46:18

So I don't worry so much about that.

46:21

I worry more about the food. And

46:23

it's the same thing where like I have

46:25

great blood pressure. I'm not diabetic or

46:27

anything. And I'm of a reasonably healthy weight.

46:30

But and I work out every day. I

46:32

do a ton of cardio, but my cholesterol

46:34

is like really high. And

46:37

right, where they tried to put me on

46:39

a statin last year and I just didn't do

46:41

it mostly because I was going to do

46:43

it. And then every fucking person I talked to

46:45

was like, oh, you shouldn't do that. Like

46:48

I was like, why OK? OK, so I

46:50

was like, all right. I guess I'm just not

46:52

going to do it. And I just ignored

46:54

it. And I actually have a check up like

46:56

the one year check up with this person

46:58

in May maybe. So we'll see. But I've tried

47:00

to just check the cholesterol by eating less

47:02

mayonnaise, less cheese and fewer eggs and hoping that

47:04

that kind of does the trick. But I

47:06

think I mean, I could eat way better than

47:08

I do. And again, I only do OMAD

47:10

because it's the only way to stop myself from

47:12

eating like a glutton. So

47:15

that it's become it's been so many

47:17

years now that it's not even a problem

47:19

or even something I think about. Yeah.

47:21

I think the way that I think about

47:23

it is like the way I think.

47:25

Like if you have up this way, if

47:28

you have five

47:30

thousand dollars and a hundred years left

47:32

to live, you're not particularly rich, right? Like

47:34

it's not a particular that's like a

47:36

poultry sum of money in comparison. But if

47:38

you've got five thousand dollars and you've

47:40

got a week left, you have a pretty

47:42

good week, I think. Yeah, sure. And

47:44

so for me, I'm thinking like, if I,

47:46

you know, if I eat this burger

47:48

and it shaves off a little bit of

47:50

time, it actually increases the value of

47:53

the money that I have ever so slightly.

47:55

That's interesting. Yeah, it's my way of

47:57

diluting myself into killing myself slowly. Well, I

47:59

mean sure it is dark to say

48:01

but I generally agree with you where I'm

48:03

like I would rather just die sooner

48:05

and eat what I want like I I'm definitely

48:07

gonna watch To me and you can clog

48:09

your arteries and have a heart attack and have

48:11

a stroke And there's all sorts of ways

48:13

you can die, but the one major thing is

48:15

like watching one's weight I think and just

48:17

like I won't let myself and haven't

48:19

let myself get very

48:22

heavy at all because That

48:24

I know is a precursor to a bunch of

48:26

problems for you So as long as I like

48:28

keep that in check and work out. I've realized

48:30

in doing all the walking I've been doing I'm

48:32

walking a 10k every day Good.

48:35

It's like that's yet. It feels good and it's like but

48:37

it's like That's got to mean

48:39

something You know counteracting in

48:41

my body somewhere like the

48:43

cheese or something right exactly trying And

48:47

by the way, I just rod dog those those walks. I

48:49

don't even listen anything. I'm literally

48:51

just like I'm literally just

48:53

stoically thinking about my life Not

48:56

on the phone and nothing like that Yeah,

48:58

it's nice to be out there be sometimes that

49:00

my old job where it's like you had

49:02

like a stressful day or something You

49:04

just got to drive home with no no

49:06

music right nothing right. You just got

49:09

a Gotta be You

49:12

know totally absolutely 100 % I look forward to

49:14

it actually All right, let's

49:16

get into this thing that we were gonna talk about

49:18

earlier Gavin wrote in instead a CDC colon Why do

49:20

you look pissed off on camera? Seriously, I listen

49:22

to your podcast in video form and oftentimes when

49:24

Chris or Dustin are venting away on a topic

49:26

My eyes are sometimes drawn towards Collins screen and

49:28

you often just looks incensed I feel frightened every

49:30

time and almost guilty for looking at Colin when watching

49:32

the show anyway Keep up the great content.

49:34

I don't know if I have resting bitch face I

49:36

guess I kind of do but I don't Mean

49:38

to I I get into a

49:40

zone where I'm a listening face Where

49:44

I could feel it in my own my own head

49:47

actually like my eyes sharpen a

49:49

little bit and I I'm listen. I'm

49:51

that's like my listening mode and There's

49:54

like a pressure on my eyes like I don't know if people

49:56

can understand what I'm saying I'm like almost looking in a direction and

49:58

like and taking in the words The cross-arm

50:00

thing that I realize I've been doing

50:02

recently, though, has been mostly for my

50:04

back. It feels good to do this.

50:07

Yeah. So that's why I've been doing

50:09

it. But yeah, those two things taken

50:11

in concert with each other, I think,

50:13

can lead to an intimidating image. Not

50:15

intimidating, who's intimidated by me. But an

50:18

image of anger and resentment. And I

50:20

assure you, I don't feel that way.

50:22

I'm just... This is just my this

50:24

is my body. This is who I

50:26

am. Yeah, can't do anything about it

50:28

I'm very cognizant of that because I've

50:31

been told for a long time that

50:33

like I look at my resting face

50:35

is deeply like I think an uncle

50:37

told me like a long like when

50:39

I was like seven or something like

50:42

you look like you're about to fire

50:44

me just before Christmas and I was

50:46

like oh I should do something about

50:48

that so I've thought like I kind

50:50

of just like I kind of just

50:52

like I kind of just like I

50:55

kind of just like I kind of

50:57

just like I kind of just like

50:59

I Because then it helps me. You

51:01

know, it benefits me to look that

51:03

way. But yeah, some people have serious

51:05

faces. Just as what is. That happened

51:08

to me a lot when I first

51:10

started on this show is that people

51:12

were saying I looked angry. I've kind

51:14

of like Chris adapted in some ways

51:16

where if I feel like I'm smiling

51:19

a little bit, it's actually a neutral

51:21

face. So I've learned to just kind

51:23

of do that a little bit most

51:25

of the time. Um,

51:27

maybe I should be like...

51:30

Wow! How about that? Is

51:32

that a good face? Dude,

51:34

is that Chris's resting face?

51:36

I don't know if I've

51:38

ever seen his face from

51:40

Chris. Yeah. This is me,

51:42

this, this is me just

51:44

like sitting there and... That's

51:46

what I, that's why I

51:48

look at when I'm in

51:50

front of the computer. It's

51:52

completely like... I'm not on

51:54

this video, I'm probably like...

51:56

So I'm sorry I didn't.

51:59

to come off that way,

52:01

Gavin. Thank you for writing him. Jeff

52:03

wrote in and said, hey guys, I hope the

52:05

listeners can learn something from my recent

52:07

experience. Years ago, you read my submission

52:10

about how my wife eats all of

52:12

her food layer by layer. For example,

52:14

she eats a lot of her food

52:16

layer by layer. For example, she eats

52:18

a sandwich by eating the slice of

52:21

bread by layer. For example, she eats a

52:23

sandwich by eating the slice of the slice

52:25

of bread, then each of the work with

52:27

work. Her friend immediately made a comment about

52:29

the strange way that my wife eats. She

52:31

said that her husband listened to a video

52:33

game podcast and remembered overhearing them talking about

52:35

this exact situation. I was hoping my wife wouldn't equate it

52:37

to me as the write-in years ago. She also doesn't listen to the

52:39

show, she also doesn't listen to the show, but knows that I did

52:41

years ago. She also doesn't listen to the show, but knows that I

52:43

do, but knows that I do, but knows that I do. But knows

52:45

that the show, but knows that I do, but knows that I do,

52:47

but knows that I do, but knows that I do, I do, I do, but knows that I

52:49

do, I do, I do, I do, I do, but knows that I do, I do, I do, I do,

52:52

but knows that I do, I do, but, I do, I do, I do, but, I do, I do, I

52:54

do, I do, but, I do, but, I do, but, Also a husband

52:56

of the new friend, please stand

52:58

down and don't mention this

53:00

post to your wife for God's

53:03

sake. Oh, we got another one

53:05

on the clock. Oh, Jesus Christ.

53:07

Very exciting. Listen, Jeff, I'm

53:09

gonna, I'm gonna level with

53:11

you. Your wife is an Eldrich

53:13

creature that is eating her food

53:15

wrong, and you're not in the

53:18

wrong for noticing it. If you

53:20

eat a burger like that in

53:22

front of me, if I present

53:24

you, a burger, Toppings, all the rest,

53:26

and you take off the top bun

53:28

and start eating it. And you eat

53:30

the entire thing. Without touching any

53:33

other part of the burger, I'm

53:35

the problem for noticing that. I

53:37

don't think so. Sorry about that.

53:39

I'm wondering about the mechanics of

53:41

other food. Does she, like for a

53:43

taco, does she dump out the meat?

53:46

You know and eat the the

53:48

shell? I wouldn't think what she

53:50

does is she opens the taco

53:52

eats the meat out and then

53:54

eats the the tortilla. Right

53:57

right. That's weird. I'm sorry

53:59

that's I'm sorry, I know some

54:01

good lawyers if you need one. So

54:03

let me know. Jesus Christ, man.

54:05

It's funny though, because he's literally

54:07

doing the exact thing that got

54:10

him in trouble in the first

54:12

place while telling people to not

54:14

shit where they eat. Right. Like, hey,

54:17

don't write in with the quirks about

54:19

your wife to this show. He wants

54:21

out. After he literally just said that

54:23

she's pissed. Yeah. So now this could

54:25

reach it. Who knows? Could reach it.

54:28

Who knows? I'm familiar with. But

54:30

like this is crazy, like I

54:32

mean dude, he wants the divorce,

54:34

he's like, yeah, like I mean

54:36

like, here's something that could have

54:38

fixed all this. Was that you? No.

54:41

Like it's not, it's not like you're

54:43

lying about like some crazy, like

54:45

it's a white lie, it's not,

54:47

it's not crazy, you know, although

54:49

if you're scared enough to do

54:51

that I guess. Yeah, but you

54:53

clearly want to be out of

54:55

here. So like, you know, Godspeed,

54:58

Jeff, spelled wrong. Yeah, G. Off.

55:00

Yeah, G. Off. Uh, you know. Survive.

55:02

Survive. You know, that's like,

55:04

I always think about Robertite

55:07

Jr. in, uh, Traffic

55:09

Thunder, where he's like

55:11

begging Ben Stiller to

55:13

like survive all those

55:15

bullet wounds. He's like,

55:18

survive, survive. I love that

55:20

movie. That movie. It's great.

55:22

Jeff, good luck to you. And

55:25

be well. Yeah, be well, all right, let's get into

55:27

some game conversations here. It's time. Yeah, wasted enough time.

55:29

Oh, can I bring one thing up? Because I saw this I saw this

55:31

just before the show. It doesn't really mean anything because we

55:33

don't really know I mean, it's it's very much a kind

55:35

of a nothing thing, but like the Marathon Twitter account just

55:37

became active again after like a year or some or like

55:39

many many, many, many months. They just tweeted like some like

55:41

kind of like kind of like, like, like, like, like, like,

55:43

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

55:45

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

55:47

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

55:49

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

55:51

like, like, like Or at least based on my history

55:53

with Bungee, it seems like that's what it's going to

55:56

be. It could just be nothing, but it seems like

55:58

they're active again. Indicates that. might be

56:00

seeing something about Marathon pretty

56:02

soon. That was literally just before

56:05

we sat down to record this. Yeah,

56:07

I'm looking at it now. Yeah, Marathon,

56:09

the game, their Twitter account. And there's

56:11

not much to talk about really

56:13

with it, but it's worth mentioning.

56:15

I wonder what's in it. I wonder

56:17

what's, I wonder what's, I wonder what's,

56:20

I wonder what this is. Yeah, there'll

56:22

be some sleuts out there figuring

56:24

it out, it's not a bad idea. Oh yeah. Oh

56:27

yeah, someone's gonna break this thing open. This is pretty cool. Okay,

56:30

cool. Good eye. Yeah. Other things that I wanted to bring up

56:32

here, just a quick shout out, Devin McCarthy wrote in, said

56:34

Sacred Gents, quick shout out to the great work Barry's

56:36

doing over at Lillimo, picked up super perils of baking,

56:38

picked up Superperils of baking, picked up Superperils

56:40

of baking, picked up Superperils of baking, picked

56:42

up Superparals of Baking'am, picked up Superperils, picked up

56:44

Superperils of the great work Barry's, Latchi, Latch Key Kid

56:46

Latch Key Kid, Latch Key Kid, Latch Key Kid, Living,

56:48

Living, Latch Key Kid, Living, Latch Key Kid, Living, Living,

56:50

Latch Key Kid, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch,

56:53

Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch, Latch,

56:55

Yeah, slip up and see flawless runs split across

56:57

my screen, I dial a little inside. But those

56:59

railiard cart levels are dialed in just

57:01

right and keep me for coming back for

57:03

more. This whole game is a reminder that

57:06

not everything needs to be a $100 hour

57:08

$80 epic. Sometimes you just want something fun,

57:10

sharp and satisfying. That takes you

57:12

back a bit. Massive props Barry. Thank you

57:14

and fuck me, of course. But

57:17

props, props, props, the Barry. He

57:19

did a great job with superperils

57:21

of baking. And we're all not

57:23

in the camp, but it's going

57:25

in the camp soon. Thank you

57:28

and thank you and fuck me

57:30

is awesome. Saying fuck me

57:32

is such a fuck is so

57:34

funny. It is good. This podcast

57:36

is brought to you by aura

57:39

by the time you hear about

57:41

a data breach your information has

57:43

already been exposed for months on

57:46

average companies take 277 days to

57:48

report a breach That's nine months

57:50

where hackers have access to your

57:53

personal data your name address phone

57:55

number even your social security

57:57

number before you even know

58:00

it's out there. Think about it. Nine

58:02

months is enough time for criminals to

58:04

open accounts in your name, rack up

58:06

debt, and disappear. All while you're

58:08

left dealing with the mess. And

58:10

when the company finally tells you, it's

58:12

too late, the damage is already done.

58:15

Data breaches aren't slowing down. They're

58:17

getting bigger, and the delays in

58:19

reporting them aren't helping. Right now,

58:22

your personal information could already be

58:24

on the dark web, and you

58:26

wouldn't even know it. How long do you

58:28

want to wait before taking action? That's why

58:30

we're thrilled to partner with aura. aura

58:32

monitors the dark web for users' phone

58:35

numbers, emails, and social security numbers,

58:37

delivering real-time alerts if any suspicious

58:39

activity is detected. Additionally, aura provides

58:41

up to $5 million in identity

58:44

theft insurance, offering a robust safety

58:46

net in the event of a

58:48

worst-case scenario. aura goes the extra

58:50

mile by scanning the dark web for

58:53

your sensitive info and alerting you instantly

58:55

if anything is found. And, if ID

58:57

theft strikes, no need to panic. Or

58:59

as US-based 24-7, broad resolution team works

59:01

around the clock to fix it fast

59:03

and get you back on track. Or

59:05

as a complete online safety toolkit,

59:07

which includes a variety of other

59:09

features to keep you safe online,

59:12

including a VPN for secure browsing,

59:14

data broker opt-out to stop companies

59:16

from selling your personal information. A

59:18

password manager to help you create

59:20

and store strong passwords, and more.

59:22

For a limited time, aura is

59:25

offering our listeners a 14-day trial

59:27

plus a check of your data

59:29

to see if your personal information

59:31

has been leaked online. All for

59:33

free when you visit aura.com/defense. That's

59:36

aura.com/defense to sign up for a

59:38

14-day free trial and start protecting

59:40

you and your loved ones. That's

59:43

a-u-r-a.com/defense. Certain terms apply, so be

59:45

sure to check the site for

59:47

details. Let's talk about Angie. Anyone

59:49

who owns a home. how much

59:52

work it takes whether you're dealing

59:54

with daily maintenance emergency fixes or

59:56

even a dream renovation it's so

59:59

hard to the right help. Luckily

1:00:01

Angie's been connecting people with

1:00:03

skilled pros for 30 years and

1:00:05

they've made it easier than ever

1:00:07

to get your home projects done

1:00:10

well because Angie gives you access

1:00:12

to nationwide network of trades people

1:00:14

with the right skills experts in

1:00:17

over 50 categories from plumbing and

1:00:19

landscaping to roofing and remodels. Just

1:00:21

bring Angie or project, answer a

1:00:23

few questions, and Angie connects you

1:00:26

with nearby pros who match your

1:00:28

needs. You can easily read, reviews,

1:00:30

check out photos of past work

1:00:33

and request and compare quotes to

1:00:35

find your best price, which means

1:00:37

you could tackle that next home

1:00:39

project in just a few taps.

1:00:42

So join the millions of homeowners who

1:00:44

use Angie to care for their

1:00:46

homes. Download the free Angie app

1:00:48

today or visit angie.com. Scrupulous

1:00:51

Freddy wrote in and said, hey fats, this one's for

1:00:53

Colin. Is it just me or did you exhibit

1:00:55

a complete 180 on your opinion regarding smaller interstitial

1:00:57

games last week? I distinctly remember that you agreed

1:00:59

with Sean Layton in the past about a greater

1:01:02

push for games like Miles Morales and Lost Legacy.

1:01:04

Why then would a 12 or 15 hour God

1:01:06

of war side game be a wasteful endeavor? Curious

1:01:08

to learn your thoughts. First of all, and I'm not

1:01:10

going to say very much about this, is that like, like,

1:01:12

I have one source that if he... like told me what

1:01:14

the game is basically and I just haven't

1:01:17

been able to verify it yet I don't

1:01:19

know if you saw it Dustin I saw that

1:01:21

come through very interesting yeah I

1:01:23

haven't verified that I haven't worked

1:01:25

to verify that information yet but maybe I

1:01:27

will and if it comes out before we

1:01:29

are able to you know for the news

1:01:32

is it comes out or leaks before that

1:01:34

we'll let you know what what it is at

1:01:36

that time but um yeah so um The

1:01:38

thing with, is it interesting writing, because I

1:01:40

saw a few people who have written it

1:01:43

about this, is no, I don't feel like

1:01:45

I have, because it's about the people that

1:01:47

are doing those games. I believe that

1:01:49

Sony should explore smaller games, interstitial

1:01:51

games, even in big series,

1:01:54

if that's what you want to do. But

1:01:56

I don't think that that's a good use of

1:01:58

time for major studios, no. I think the

1:02:00

major studios have so much writing on

1:02:02

their product, they need to work on the

1:02:05

big products. And then there should be an association

1:02:07

of smaller studios that are able to

1:02:09

work on some of these games. I

1:02:11

think some of these studios are just

1:02:13

a little too precious with their IP,

1:02:15

which I appreciate and respect, but I

1:02:17

appreciate and respect, but at some of

1:02:19

these studios are just a little too precious

1:02:21

with their IP, which I appreciate and

1:02:23

respect, if you want to, the

1:02:26

contradiction personally, but I do appreciate

1:02:28

you writing about. I respect that.

1:02:30

This is a PlayStation podcast, but

1:02:32

Nintendo is a relevant mover and

1:02:34

shaker in our industry. PlayStation games

1:02:36

are now on switch. Whether it's MLB

1:02:38

the show, whether it's Horizon, Lego Horizon

1:02:40

Adventures, whether it's Pat upon one and

1:02:42

two, and so on and so forth.

1:02:44

Freedom Wars, it's not incredibly uncommon

1:02:46

now, and I think it's going to

1:02:49

happen more and more, particularly from

1:02:51

the second party and external stuff.

1:02:53

But the big news here is

1:02:55

the announcement of switch to the proper

1:02:57

announcement of it including what it's going

1:03:00

to be and all the rest and so I

1:03:02

want to just say this up top like a

1:03:04

lot of you wrote in about just the same

1:03:06

stuff like the price the cartridges the

1:03:08

games I see you I can only use a

1:03:10

few of these questions though. So I'm sorry that

1:03:13

so many of you wrote in about that I

1:03:15

saw your your write-ins I just can't

1:03:17

use your stuff Ben wrote in and said

1:03:19

hey CDC. What are your thoughts on the

1:03:21

switch to pricing to pricing? And he calls

1:03:23

at the base PS5 like a base like

1:03:25

that you would play, which is kind of

1:03:27

sounds cool. And the games still will

1:03:30

seemingly cost $80 digital and $90 physical.

1:03:32

I don't think that $90 physical thing

1:03:34

for it personally is true, but we'll

1:03:36

get into that. Is this a sign of the

1:03:38

times? Will PlayStation soon follow suit

1:03:40

and raise their game prices? So

1:03:42

it's an interesting way to look at

1:03:44

it. Before we get into those questions

1:03:46

about how it affects others, I assume

1:03:48

we should get everything on the everything

1:03:50

on the record. taking Gene's place there

1:03:53

because he was at the event. And so I don't

1:03:55

want you to feel like you need to be too

1:03:57

redundant, but we should get some of this stuff

1:03:59

out there. I have questions too,

1:04:01

because I'm not really fully aware

1:04:03

of what's going on either. I

1:04:05

mean, I read everything, but I didn't

1:04:07

watch the presentation. So switch two

1:04:09

is announced, $450, $80, $80 games,

1:04:12

at least some of them, but

1:04:14

that's their top line. And what are

1:04:16

our thoughts here? How do you feel

1:04:18

about what was shown? Are you excited?

1:04:20

What is it, June 6 or something

1:04:22

like that? Four or fifth? Early, early

1:04:24

June, whatever. What are your thoughts?

1:04:27

Yeah, I'm very excited. I think

1:04:29

the hardware is actually a lot

1:04:31

more impressive than I thought it

1:04:33

would be. It's got a 1080P

1:04:36

screen, which we knew, but the

1:04:38

part that this was rumored a

1:04:40

few weeks ago, I wasn't sure

1:04:42

what to think about it, but

1:04:45

now it's true. It's 120 hertz

1:04:47

screen and HDR. So,

1:04:49

pretty impressive. Unexpected for

1:04:52

that. The hardware I think looks

1:04:54

great and it was just confirmed

1:04:56

today that it is using DLS

1:04:58

upscaling and has retracing in it.

1:05:00

And some of the examples of

1:05:02

different things we've seen on it look

1:05:04

really good. It's running, I just saw

1:05:07

today, I'm a little curious about the

1:05:09

technical aspects, but I saw that Breath

1:05:11

of the Wild and Tears of the

1:05:13

Kingdom are running at 4K60 on it,

1:05:15

which there has been rumors about a

1:05:17

60FPS version of Breathof Breath of the

1:05:20

Wild for a while, but. 4K60 on

1:05:22

this handheld is pretty awesome, pretty

1:05:24

cool. The new games of course I

1:05:26

thought look really fun, both of

1:05:28

them really interesting to me as

1:05:31

far as Mario Car World and

1:05:33

the Donkey Kong game. And you

1:05:35

touched on this Colin but Ben

1:05:37

says here about the $80 digital

1:05:39

90 dollar physical. This is something

1:05:41

we talked about on punching up

1:05:43

because that was the reporting we

1:05:45

saw from insider gaming because they

1:05:47

had seen some kind of leak of

1:05:49

or something posted about in some

1:05:51

non-U.S. territory, non-U.S. country about

1:05:54

that being the pricing. Since

1:05:56

then, both Best Buy Target

1:05:58

Walmart have listed. their pre-orders,

1:06:00

and that's not the case. So Mario Cart

1:06:03

World is $80 physical or digital. There's no difference

1:06:05

in price. I ranted pretty hard about that

1:06:07

on the episode, but we're working off the

1:06:09

information that we had at the time. Yeah,

1:06:11

that's the danger of doing that. That's why

1:06:14

I'm not crazy about even doing the live

1:06:16

stream stuff, because it's just like, we don't

1:06:18

really know. I have to read the

1:06:20

press releases and study. Yeah, so that's

1:06:22

not the case. But yeah, I mean,

1:06:25

a huge part of the conversation as

1:06:27

Ben brings up here is the 449

1:06:29

price point and the games. I think

1:06:31

the hardware, I kind of expected it

1:06:33

to be $500 just because of how

1:06:36

the market is looking at the price

1:06:38

of newer devices like PS5 Pro and

1:06:40

Steam Deck and things like that

1:06:42

and Nintendo being Nintendo. I expected

1:06:44

to be 500. A lot of

1:06:47

people expected 400. So I think

1:06:49

for 49 for what you're getting

1:06:51

seemingly with the better specs than

1:06:54

I expected. I think that's totally

1:06:56

reasonable. But yeah, the big

1:06:58

thing is about the price of

1:07:00

the games. And Nintendo is really

1:07:02

kind of exploring different price points

1:07:04

for a lot of games. We haven't

1:07:07

seen people really, I mean, we've seen

1:07:09

PlayStation do this a little bit with

1:07:11

smaller games being a little cheaper, but

1:07:14

the Donkey Kong game is $70 and

1:07:16

Mario Kart world will be 80. So

1:07:18

it's not even a flat. 80 across

1:07:20

the board. There is some

1:07:22

shenanigans with their upgrade

1:07:24

pricing like if you buy a

1:07:26

switch to edition of Breath of

1:07:28

the Wild. I believe that it

1:07:31

is 80. So, oh no, no. It's tears

1:07:33

of the kingdom is 80 because

1:07:35

the regular, the pricing

1:07:37

is all over the place. I

1:07:39

can't even remember it now. It's

1:07:41

okay. No, be good. So, um, do

1:07:44

we want to get into the price

1:07:46

stuff now? Like, well, I've tried, I,

1:07:48

looking ahead here. Let me see. Let me see.

1:07:50

Let's get it, let's get everyone's thoughts, I

1:07:52

guess, before I. Okay, well, let's get, let's

1:07:55

get Chris on the, on the record and see

1:07:57

what he thinks, because I have no idea what

1:07:59

Chris thinks. Chris, where are you on

1:08:01

the switch too? Yeah, I mean, I was not

1:08:03

the mark for this thing anyway, to

1:08:06

be fair. Like I was kind of,

1:08:08

I was only curious to see what

1:08:10

would be there from like a, from

1:08:12

just like a, from a cross sectionality

1:08:14

aspect. Like I wonder if there's gonna

1:08:16

be any PlayStation stuff there. I wonder

1:08:19

if there's gonna be any Xbox stuff

1:08:21

there. And these spoilers, not really, not

1:08:23

at all. So that kind of was

1:08:25

just the only thing that I was

1:08:27

really curious about. I was really never

1:08:30

going to get this hardware, or at

1:08:32

least at the very least, I wasn't

1:08:34

going to get it on like, I wasn't

1:08:36

a mark for a day one purchase, maybe like

1:08:39

later down the line. But I don't know,

1:08:41

I think 449 is like a reasonable kind

1:08:43

of price. I just think 80 bucks is kind

1:08:45

of, I don't know. But it is going to

1:08:47

be, this is how it, this is the nature

1:08:49

of economics and inflation and inflation

1:08:51

and all that stuff, like, like, like,

1:08:54

like, like. I don't know if I'm going

1:08:56

to pay $80 for a video again.

1:08:58

Generally. But that, you know, things

1:09:00

are going to, things are expensive

1:09:03

now. And things are going to

1:09:05

get way crazier if the news

1:09:07

is any indication. So like, enjoy

1:09:09

it while it's this low. Yeah,

1:09:11

I was thinking the same thing.

1:09:13

It's not even the Chinese tariffs

1:09:15

are significant, but

1:09:17

there's actually tariffs against like

1:09:20

Vietnam and others where things have

1:09:22

kind of been. Yeah Taiwan right

1:09:24

where but my suspicion is is

1:09:27

that like perhaps these are

1:09:29

negotiating tactics to just get

1:09:31

everyone the drop back to zero

1:09:33

like percent hours for everyone but

1:09:35

I just don't know the the only thing

1:09:38

I I get afraid of is like how

1:09:40

what is what is the tolerance of

1:09:42

the video game companies to

1:09:44

withstand these costs and the answer

1:09:46

is there isn't probably much of a

1:09:48

tolerance but none of them will be

1:09:51

dealing with it. really except for the

1:09:53

hardware manufacturers because I think that all

1:09:55

people are going to do is not by physical

1:09:57

games unless you're like a real physical game.

1:09:59

Like, the easy way to circuit, the games

1:10:02

are not really going to be that affected

1:10:04

by it because it's like the easy way

1:10:06

to circumvent that's because they're digital packages

1:10:09

and they're not going to be tariff.

1:10:11

Doesn't matter where they come from. But the

1:10:13

hardware is going to be a problem and

1:10:15

that's why we know Sony has onshore

1:10:17

like apparently hundreds of thousands of

1:10:19

PS5s at least in preparation for like

1:10:22

above and beyond what their normal cycle

1:10:24

of consoles coming in just to get

1:10:26

ahead of them and because now the

1:10:28

tariffs are up. as of that they

1:10:30

were recording, actually, they begin.

1:10:32

So anything that's coming up

1:10:34

now is going to be tariffed. So

1:10:36

I do believe that we will

1:10:38

see hardware, console, hardware, go up

1:10:41

in price. It has to, actually.

1:10:43

Like there's just no way that

1:10:45

these companies are going to eat that,

1:10:48

I don't think. You know, it's

1:10:50

just too much money. It's not

1:10:52

going to be Brazilian style, like,

1:10:54

$2,000 for a console, but it's going

1:10:56

to be. If the tariffs are 25. something

1:10:58

like that, $125 tax on it. So this

1:11:01

is kind of the disappointing thing

1:11:03

to me about the tariff policy, about

1:11:05

the way it's being deployed is like,

1:11:07

even as a protectionist, I don't think

1:11:09

there are just there just needs to be

1:11:11

a bunch of carveouts and I'm not saying

1:11:13

that because we care about video games. Rather,

1:11:15

it's like, there are just a bunch of

1:11:18

things we're not going to do. And so like

1:11:20

charging more for those things doesn't really

1:11:22

make any sense. It's like, go after cars

1:11:24

and TVs and TVs and TVs and

1:11:27

fucking phones. I don't care. But console

1:11:29

gaming consoles aren't going to be made

1:11:31

in the United States or in

1:11:33

Western Europe like that. There's not. So

1:11:35

it's it's weird to go out or not go

1:11:37

after that, but to just have this all

1:11:40

inclusive policy, I think, as opposed to being

1:11:42

like very surgical, but widespread if that's what

1:11:44

you want to be. So that's the thing

1:11:46

that like to me, I feel like could

1:11:49

affect our space in terms of the cost

1:11:51

in that in some sense, the 449 pricing

1:11:53

seems like It's baking in a

1:11:55

$50 price increase or something that

1:11:57

would be right. Yeah, because there

1:11:59

They must have, Mike and I were talking

1:12:02

about this on our walk yesterday, is like

1:12:04

they must have a lot of hardware here

1:12:06

already. You would assume. So, and these

1:12:08

companies are not stupid. If anything, they

1:12:10

knew that, you know, the administration

1:12:12

was fairly transparent about the

1:12:15

day this was gonna happen, which was the

1:12:17

second going into effect of third, and so

1:12:19

hopefully these guys were able to move, but

1:12:21

I don't know how fast you can move,

1:12:23

I don't pretend to understand the

1:12:26

logistics of these sorts of situations.

1:12:28

But what else, so there's that

1:12:30

big component of it and I

1:12:32

think that's really important. And

1:12:34

I don't want to ignore that. But as far

1:12:36

as the hardware itself, it's like, I

1:12:38

think the price is just too high. I was

1:12:40

surprised that even at 449 I think

1:12:42

that that's too expensive. But that's a

1:12:45

relative term because it doesn't matter. It's

1:12:47

like what people will tolerate and I

1:12:49

think that I'm all over the map here. Let

1:12:51

me reduce it to this. It

1:12:53

doesn't really matter what happens with the switch to

1:12:56

as far as pricing or availability is concerned because

1:12:58

there's a group of people that are just going

1:13:00

to buy it, support it, and get it out

1:13:02

there. And that group of people is bigger in

1:13:04

Nintendo's history than it's ever been. If you

1:13:06

look at the NES to the S&ES, which

1:13:08

is the only generations in Nintendo's history, where

1:13:11

they had a successful second launch, right? So

1:13:13

like a console came out and then a

1:13:15

subsequent console came out and was actually really

1:13:17

successful. But even then it went from 62 million

1:13:19

to 50 million to 50 million. And, which

1:13:21

is crazy, the Super Nintendo is

1:13:23

so good. And then it went from, at

1:13:25

the N64, 32 million, Game Cube, 22 million,

1:13:28

and it was, you know, it was

1:13:30

not good until the Wii. But you're

1:13:32

thinking about a switch that has sold

1:13:34

150 million in counting. Now, even

1:13:36

if a lot of people have

1:13:38

multiple switches, I mean, that's still

1:13:40

120 million people or something. Like,

1:13:43

whatever it is. That's a huge group

1:13:45

of latent switch fans. And unlike the

1:13:47

Wii era. Which was the only other Nintendo

1:13:49

era where they had an enormous amount of

1:13:51

console players like that. The WERA died,

1:13:53

like halfway through and just kind of went away.

1:13:55

Even though it was still there, it didn't really

1:13:57

care. No one really cared. That's why I was...

1:14:00

so surprised, Skyward Sword selling

1:14:02

three million coffee or something

1:14:04

at the time, I was like, that was so

1:14:06

bad. Because they had like, you know, 80

1:14:08

million wheeze or something in the wild. It's

1:14:10

different now. So even if the baselines remain

1:14:12

kind of similar in the same, even if

1:14:14

you had a drop off that was like

1:14:17

the Wii U, you would still be looking

1:14:19

at 30 or 40 million switches to

1:14:21

people in the first few years that are

1:14:23

really interested in one. What

1:14:25

happens beyond that I don't know. I

1:14:28

think it's unreasonable to expect

1:14:30

that they'll make another

1:14:32

unit that will sell 150

1:14:34

million units. Yeah. I just,

1:14:36

that's really tough. It's crazy that

1:14:39

they did that. I think a lot of

1:14:41

it was ingenious what they've

1:14:43

done with it. They revived and

1:14:45

made a whole new hybrid vertical

1:14:47

that has given everyone permission

1:14:50

to pursue this tech. They've

1:14:52

kept things cheap. They're heavily

1:14:55

relied on their own games. This

1:14:57

seems to be less something they're

1:14:59

trying to do less now. A lot of third

1:15:01

party stuff. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks,

1:15:03

co-founder of Angie. When you use

1:15:06

Angie for your home projects, you

1:15:08

know all your jobs will be

1:15:10

done well. Roof repair? Done well.

1:15:12

Kitchen Sink install? Done well. Deck

1:15:14

upgrades? Done well. Electrical upgrade? Done

1:15:17

well. Angie's been connecting homeowners with

1:15:19

skilled pros for nearly 30 years.

1:15:21

So we know the difference between

1:15:23

done and done well. Hire high

1:15:25

quality pros at angie.com. So I

1:15:27

feel like they're in a good

1:15:30

position and it's not a matter

1:15:32

if it's interesting to me

1:15:34

or not, because it's not interesting

1:15:36

to me at all. I don't

1:15:38

think it was a, it's an

1:15:40

especially intriguing machine. I'm not the

1:15:42

target audience. Right. And while I

1:15:44

was really surprised by how fickle

1:15:46

the Nintendo audience was with the

1:15:48

Wii U, I just don't think

1:15:50

that that's gonna happen again

1:15:53

because the switch has remained relevant

1:15:55

and is bigger than the Wii and

1:15:57

a more hardcore machine than the Wii.

1:15:59

And so I just think that that's

1:16:01

going to have more inertia into the next

1:16:04

generation. But do I think, and I think

1:16:06

it could be a hundred million unit

1:16:08

seller. It's not going to be like some

1:16:10

little thing. But I just think, think

1:16:13

about PS2 getting into 150, it's like

1:16:15

that's never going to, that's like

1:16:17

not really possible. Like there's,

1:16:19

there's, there's a whole confluence

1:16:21

of things that got it

1:16:23

to that. International availability, it

1:16:25

was manufactured, So that PS5 is

1:16:27

probably going to get to 100

1:16:29

million is pretty great because it

1:16:31

doesn't have any of those

1:16:33

advantages and so Nintendo needs to

1:16:36

look at it the same way Right I think

1:16:38

our understanding of like what a

1:16:40

console's ceiling for sales is like

1:16:42

it's kind of grossly like skewed

1:16:44

because of those things where it's like okay

1:16:47

you have like yeah the PS2 like

1:16:49

you said with the DVD player and

1:16:51

then you have the Wii which was

1:16:53

marketed as like People in the gaming

1:16:55

space knew it was a game console,

1:16:57

but it was kind of marketed outside

1:16:59

of that. Like my mom had a

1:17:01

Wii, you know, and she wasn't playing

1:17:03

games on it. She just had like

1:17:05

Wii Fit and stuff. So like that

1:17:08

audience was like so much more casual.

1:17:10

So like there were a lot of wheeze

1:17:12

out there, but like not a lot of

1:17:14

them were being used in a way

1:17:16

that was like really doing much for

1:17:18

the studios that were making games for

1:17:21

it. They used once for like wee

1:17:23

bowling and then never again, you know, that's

1:17:25

I don't think that's I don't think

1:17:27

that's true with the switch necessarily I

1:17:29

think the switch is like it is

1:17:31

a casual machine in this in some

1:17:33

sense But it's not marketed towards

1:17:36

like people who wouldn't use it

1:17:38

You know, it's actually like a bit

1:17:40

of sophisticated tech especially back especially back

1:17:43

when it came out in 2017 and

1:17:45

I remember being like transfixed by how

1:17:47

interesting of an idea it was and

1:17:50

that's a new one for that reason

1:17:52

because the curiosity is like kind of not

1:17:54

there. This is more iterative. This is more,

1:17:56

you know, sned to any S kind of

1:17:58

situation where it's like this. is the same thing

1:18:01

but better. I could do more. It's got a

1:18:03

little more features a little bit, but

1:18:05

like not really. Like the mouse thing is

1:18:07

cool. I think like, I think the only

1:18:09

thing that's really compelling me to get

1:18:11

this machine later down the line really

1:18:14

is the inclusion of mouse controls for

1:18:16

like certain games. Like I think that's

1:18:18

like a really interesting and a

1:18:20

really smart idea. But um. Yeah, it's

1:18:23

just I think you're gonna have some peel

1:18:25

off with the people who just jumped on

1:18:27

to this new Nintendo thing that was exciting

1:18:29

and new and innovative and novel Now that

1:18:31

you have something that is more iterative and

1:18:33

not poking that same curiosity or intrigue, but

1:18:35

it's still going to be a shit ton

1:18:38

of people The second there's a new

1:18:40

animal crossing the second there's a new

1:18:42

3d Mario game the second there's a new

1:18:44

Zelda the second there's a new smash

1:18:46

people or if there is going to be a new

1:18:48

smash I don't even know what their opinion on

1:18:50

that is but You know that's it's gonna

1:18:52

it's gonna do very very well, but

1:18:55

I do think that ceiling is kind of

1:18:57

I think it's a manufactured ceiling

1:18:59

in somewhere Now the one thing I want

1:19:01

to what I want to leave this

1:19:03

for now and then we'll get into

1:19:06

what we're going to talk about next

1:19:08

Dustin with game pricing and all the rest

1:19:10

and all the other stuff you want to

1:19:12

talk about is I think it would

1:19:14

be incredibly foolish to

1:19:16

underestimate Nintendo I've made

1:19:18

this mistake multiple times and

1:19:20

a reluctant Nintendo fan when you know during

1:19:22

the I really came to love the Game

1:19:24

Cube but I wasn't blown away by it

1:19:26

until a little ways in you know I had

1:19:29

it immediately but I was still like all the

1:19:31

PS2 and even the little bit of the

1:19:33

Dreamcast and other things and and certainly

1:19:35

in the Wii era I was like I can't

1:19:37

fuck this company is dead to me and then

1:19:39

during the Wii era I'm like maybe this company's

1:19:41

dead like it seemed that it's hard

1:19:43

to imagine that that was kind of we

1:19:46

were talking earnestly at that that time I

1:19:48

remember very clearly the op-eds and the

1:19:50

thing pieces and the podcast or whatever,

1:19:52

will Nintendo publish their games on

1:19:54

PlayStation? Like that was an actual

1:19:56

thing people were saying because the Wii

1:19:58

U is selling so poor and the 3DS

1:20:01

was, did respectively at 70, 75 million,

1:20:03

but you know, it took a while. And

1:20:05

as you guys might remember, it

1:20:07

launched really poorly and they dropped the

1:20:09

price. It seemed like they were in trouble.

1:20:12

Like they, and I remember even making

1:20:14

the case at the time, and I

1:20:16

still think it's, it's, it's not correct

1:20:18

obviously, but I think it would

1:20:20

be awesome as if they just

1:20:23

stopped making hardware and put their

1:20:25

games and like focused on extracting

1:20:27

power out of other people's machines.

1:20:29

The one thing that I think this

1:20:31

is very unintuitive, and I

1:20:33

think people don't understand

1:20:35

this, is that PlayStation

1:20:38

makes way more money than

1:20:40

Nintendo. Like more than two times,

1:20:42

I think, the amount of revenue.

1:20:44

This is because Nintendo is

1:20:47

very reliant on itself.

1:20:49

And Sony is very reliant

1:20:51

on everyone else. What I

1:20:53

mean by that is Sony is getting

1:20:55

30% cuts of every game you can

1:20:58

imagine, many of them are not going

1:21:00

to be on switch and aren't on

1:21:02

switch. People play fortnight there, people play

1:21:04

all these different, you know, they're

1:21:06

just getting a shit ton of latent

1:21:09

money. Nintendo doesn't have that,

1:21:11

they rely on their own, they have a

1:21:13

little bit of that obviously, but

1:21:15

not nearly as much, and they're

1:21:17

very reliant on their own product.

1:21:19

And so... They have a way to

1:21:21

kind of be patient, burn things slowly.

1:21:24

They just have way greater control

1:21:26

economically over their own

1:21:28

situation in a way that they never

1:21:30

did before. And it would be really

1:21:32

surprising to me, I guess, is what

1:21:35

I'm saying. It would be very

1:21:37

surprising to me if switch 2 wasn't

1:21:39

a hit. Because then that really means

1:21:41

that even the switch stuff is

1:21:43

fickle and then you really never

1:21:45

know. And really the only company.

1:21:48

And it sounds fan boyish, but it's just

1:21:50

an observation. The only the

1:21:52

only gaming hardware company that really

1:21:55

has had successive like uninterrupted hit

1:21:57

consoles is PlayStation. And

1:22:00

none of them selling fewer than

1:22:02

85 million units and the

1:22:05

PS3 or PS5 is obviously going

1:22:07

to pass that this year probably.

1:22:09

So yeah. It's interesting to

1:22:12

just think about the different

1:22:14

ways that they approach the

1:22:16

same problem and how

1:22:18

complementary they are to each other.

1:22:20

Like PS5 and switch can live

1:22:22

together and will switch to. If

1:22:24

anything, I think switch two will

1:22:27

be more aggressive about going after

1:22:29

the games that would typically not

1:22:31

be available on it. I

1:22:34

think Borderlands for for instance

1:22:36

is interesting. Now is it gonna run

1:22:38

at 30 frames a second, 1080P,

1:22:41

maybe? I don't know. Dude,

1:22:43

Cyberpunk is running at 40. On an

1:22:45

old build, that's what Gene said,

1:22:47

I think. Oh, baby. All right, now,

1:22:49

Dustin, what did you want to

1:22:51

talk back to software? Well, no,

1:22:53

the game pricing thing, I think, is

1:22:55

the main thing, at least when, for

1:22:58

punching up a lot of people

1:23:00

writing in, and I'm assuming a

1:23:02

lot of people wrote in here,

1:23:04

just because people are wondering, what

1:23:07

an $80 game means for the

1:23:09

rest of the industry. I'm a

1:23:11

little, I was thinking about this

1:23:13

this morning, is that part of

1:23:15

the problem for me, I really

1:23:17

want to know how Mario Cart

1:23:20

world does at $80 dollars. Is

1:23:22

the desire for Mario Cart high

1:23:24

enough in the consumer's

1:23:26

minds that it can withstand

1:23:28

an $80 price point, thus sending

1:23:31

a signal potentially? The

1:23:33

problem is it's a packing

1:23:35

game. So most people are going

1:23:37

to get it with a console and

1:23:40

then it's a $50 game. So

1:23:42

it's not really a good testbed,

1:23:44

but... All you know for weeks on the

1:23:46

show we've been talking and not just us

1:23:48

but everyone has been talking about this idea

1:23:50

of like could grant theft auto be the

1:23:53

game that breaks the barrier breaks the seal

1:23:55

of a game that is a AAA game

1:23:57

that costs more than $70 at launch that

1:23:59

isn't like a. special edition or

1:24:01

something like that. And so

1:24:04

I'm curious. I kind of think

1:24:06

that I think that this game

1:24:08

will be successful regardless

1:24:10

of the price tag.

1:24:13

I think other Nintendo

1:24:15

IP could also be

1:24:17

successful at $80. I'm not saying

1:24:19

I like spending more money for

1:24:21

a game, but I just think

1:24:23

that the market has shown

1:24:26

that it will withstand that.

1:24:28

because of the desire for

1:24:30

the product is high enough.

1:24:32

And will that mean that

1:24:34

Ghost of Yote comes out? And

1:24:36

they're like, all right, well,

1:24:38

Nintendo did it. They got the pass.

1:24:41

Could we do it too? Yeah, it's an

1:24:43

interesting question. I want

1:24:45

to get into this. The

1:24:48

unfortunately named cum materia wrote

1:24:50

in. Oh. Said, hey CDC. A

1:24:52

long time listener, first time

1:24:54

write in. So Nintendo has finally revealed

1:24:56

the price of their new console of the

1:24:59

Nintendo Switch 2 and its software, and it

1:25:01

has sparked the conversation about game

1:25:03

pricing again. On one hand, I

1:25:05

understand where the outrage comes from

1:25:07

because wages have stagnated with productivity

1:25:09

overcoming it, it's seemingly decreasing, it's

1:25:11

seemingly decreasing our purchasing power to

1:25:14

decades, it's seemingly decreasing our purchasing

1:25:16

power to decades prior, it's seemingly

1:25:18

decreasing our purchasing power to decades

1:25:20

prior to decades prior, it's seemingly decreasing

1:25:22

our purchasing power to the production from,

1:25:24

for them or their own somehow. My

1:25:26

question is what needs to change

1:25:28

in order to come close to appeasing

1:25:30

both sides and is it even possible?

1:25:33

Does it come from a further

1:25:35

exploration of scope and respective pricing

1:25:37

as Colin has mentioned? Thank you

1:25:39

guys for your time. Also I've

1:25:41

been listening to Colin Talk PlayStation

1:25:44

since I was eight years old because of

1:25:46

my older brother turning 23 this month.

1:25:48

So thanks for all the hard work over

1:25:50

the years and I hope you feel old I

1:25:52

do. Thank you Tom material. So there is

1:25:54

a tension here because, and I think it

1:25:57

is an important topic, Dustin, to talk about,

1:25:59

and we'll get. Chris on the record

1:26:01

too is like, many things economically

1:26:04

can be true at the same

1:26:06

time. There's no doubt that there

1:26:08

is a problem comparable to

1:26:10

the cost of living, what

1:26:12

people are earning on average, and

1:26:15

then what even luxury is

1:26:17

like gaming cost, and the

1:26:19

discrepancy between these things.

1:26:21

People's wages aren't keeping

1:26:24

up with inflation. Things are

1:26:26

not great economically. They haven't

1:26:28

been for years. I mean,

1:26:30

we've talked about this is like,

1:26:32

I'm so sick of the smoke and mirrors

1:26:34

economy stuff. It's kind of why I, it's

1:26:36

part of the reason why I support shaking

1:26:39

things up and trying different things

1:26:41

with protectionism and so

1:26:43

on in some cases is, it's like,

1:26:46

who's benefiting just the rich and

1:26:48

the wealthy, the working poor are

1:26:50

desperate, the middle class is becoming

1:26:53

increasingly desperate. So it's not a great

1:26:55

situation out there. And that. is the, and

1:26:57

it bothers me when statistics

1:26:59

are like, oh, the unemployment rate is

1:27:01

this and all the rest, I'm like,

1:27:03

I just feel like we all understand

1:27:05

that a lot of this stuff is

1:27:08

fake. It's always revised later, it's never

1:27:10

right, and it's about the pain you feel

1:27:12

inside, like when you go to the pump

1:27:14

or when you're at the grocery store

1:27:16

or whatever, it's just, it's your

1:27:18

like reality. It's like, it's the

1:27:21

lived experience as it were, if you

1:27:23

want to use that term. And

1:27:26

that's the cloud over everything.

1:27:28

But it doesn't also change

1:27:30

the realities on the ground

1:27:32

for the manufacturer of the different

1:27:35

things that we buy and purchase

1:27:37

or whatever. And the only thing

1:27:39

that I guess is relevant

1:27:41

is what people can withstand

1:27:44

before they simply don't buy

1:27:46

something anymore. That's the real

1:27:49

sticking point. And I honestly

1:27:51

don't think $80 games is going

1:27:53

to change much. We

1:27:55

said before that because of the

1:27:58

because inflation got so crazy. during

1:28:00

COVID, like horrible, which is

1:28:02

part of the problem we find

1:28:04

ourselves in is like this just

1:28:06

latent, like we basically lost 20% of

1:28:08

the value of our money. Like no

1:28:11

one wants to talk about that because

1:28:13

it's horrible to think about, right?

1:28:15

And that needs to be ameliorated

1:28:18

and fixed while the cost of

1:28:20

manufacture goes up, while all these

1:28:22

trade wars happen, while all this

1:28:24

shit is going on. And it makes

1:28:26

for a very unsteady situation

1:28:28

situation. I'm

1:28:30

concerned about, the thing is that we have

1:28:32

so many things to be concerned about

1:28:34

that, I'm like, I don't even care

1:28:37

about the gaming industry in this regard,

1:28:39

it's like, whatever man. Like what's

1:28:41

gonna happen to what is gonna happen

1:28:43

to what we have, bigger fish to fry.

1:28:45

But I think that if you want to

1:28:47

just be in real terms, like the Nintendo

1:28:49

fan base is I think hardcore enough

1:28:51

to buy an $80 or Mario card game

1:28:53

by the millions, and basically manufacture

1:28:55

some level of consent as

1:28:58

you're companies to go, but

1:29:00

I don't think I would love

1:29:02

for Sony to be solid

1:29:04

enough to know that they

1:29:06

shouldn't do this in the

1:29:09

generation. That like these

1:29:11

price increases don't typically

1:29:13

happen in the generation.

1:29:16

They did in the PS3

1:29:18

generation. Well, actually not. It

1:29:20

was like the PS2 to

1:29:23

PS3 generation was the jump to

1:29:25

60. The jump to 70 happened with the

1:29:27

PS5 generation. The jump to 80 I think should

1:29:29

just happen with first party and second

1:29:32

party in the PS6 generation. And I think

1:29:34

everyone can kind of absorb that. But

1:29:36

Nintendo did everyone a big solid and

1:29:38

the one company that I think about

1:29:41

more imminently in this regard is take

1:29:43

two. Because I think they're just gonna

1:29:45

charge $80 for grandeth auto anyway. I think

1:29:47

that was always gonna be their plan. But

1:29:49

I think that they understood that there was going to

1:29:51

be some sort of PR consequence for it. Probably

1:29:53

wouldn't have really been that consequential because they're making

1:29:55

so much money on the game anyway. But now

1:29:57

they're just like, oh, like, we can still do it. We were going.

1:30:00

going to anyway, I mean

1:30:02

this is my hypothesis, and we

1:30:04

don't even have to worry about

1:30:06

the PR, I mean the PR will be

1:30:08

totally disingenuous because

1:30:11

look at Nintendo and we're

1:30:13

selling Grand Theft Auto 6,

1:30:15

not like a billion dollar

1:30:17

game, not respectfully

1:30:19

a Mario car game that could

1:30:21

run on the PS4. So I think there's,

1:30:24

so in other words all of

1:30:26

this can be true. And actually

1:30:28

just is true, it's all fucked up.

1:30:30

But I think the mistake people make

1:30:33

is they're like, because the worker

1:30:35

is suffering, games shouldn't go

1:30:37

up in price. And I'm like, it's not

1:30:39

that easy. The tension is in between

1:30:41

them about what the worker can

1:30:43

withstand. But if the worker needs

1:30:45

to be paid more, doesn't the person

1:30:48

making the games? If price

1:30:50

of manufacturers going up for all

1:30:52

of these items, wouldn't it be the

1:30:54

same for games? This is the thing

1:30:56

that people have to kind of

1:30:58

internalize, I think, because

1:31:01

it's also true. And I'll say,

1:31:03

my personal take is $70 to $80

1:31:05

isn't that big of a deal. But

1:31:07

if you really have a, and I think

1:31:09

that if you can't afford an

1:31:12

$80 game, you can't afford a

1:31:14

$70 game based on the value

1:31:16

of $10, unfortunately. I wish $10

1:31:19

was like a really meaningful amount

1:31:21

of money still, but it's not.

1:31:24

It sucks. That's like, you know, you can get

1:31:26

like a, you know, a fucking super-sized

1:31:28

meal at McDonald's maybe, or something.

1:31:30

It's crazy how much the value of dollar

1:31:33

the dollar has eroded. So my thing is,

1:31:35

is like, if people are scared off by

1:31:37

that price, I think I get it, money's tight.

1:31:39

It's really hard out there. I'm totally

1:31:41

sympathetic to it. And maybe we should

1:31:43

just be not focusing on luxury things

1:31:45

like this at all, by old games,

1:31:47

old hardware. But I

1:31:49

just think that that resistance against these prevailing

1:31:51

wins is not going to matter and Nintendo's

1:31:53

going to make a lot of money doing

1:31:55

this. And it's just given others permission

1:31:57

to do it too. But I just hope it doesn't have.

1:32:00

this generation with everything. That would be

1:32:02

lame. I still think $70 is a

1:32:04

good price point. It sucks that inflation

1:32:06

ate it, but I just don't think

1:32:08

people are going to respond well to

1:32:11

some of that stuff. Comparable that what

1:32:13

Nintendo is able to get away with.

1:32:15

So that's a lot. Chris, do you

1:32:17

have anything you'd like to add? Take

1:32:20

it away. Well, I don't know. I

1:32:22