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Welcome to Sad Boys, a

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podcast about feelings and other things

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also. I'm Jarvis. What if I

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did like an NPR version of,

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what would that sound like? We

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would start with like some temporary

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label. Welcome to Sad Boys, a

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podcast about feelings and other things

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also. I'm Jod Abramrod.

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I'm IRA Glass too. Okay. We've got

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me back, now I'm more powerful. Now

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you're not made of glass. Also I'm

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like... I've disappeared from the

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radio, I feel like.

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Those and IRA glass

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houses shouldn't throw... Alleged

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stories that are properly

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researched. Oh, oh, oh,

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oh, oh, snap. Take

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that NPR from like

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15 years ago, that

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one time you did

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that? Yeah, who even knows?

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Who is the guy who does

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the daily? Oh, Michael Babaro.

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And his... This is really

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mean. And I want to say

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this because I have, I sound

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weird also. But every time

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Michael Pabaro. Michael Pabaro.

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Does his little thing. Here's

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the things you need to

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notice. Here's the thing you

1:13

need. Michael. Relax. Just do

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it. I think it's like become

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a thing. It's done. And so

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he just like leans into it.

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It's his catchphrase.

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It's the reason I don't listen

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to the daily, not because if

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I try, I go like, oh,

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I'm so sad. I haven't listened

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to the daily in a long time.

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I haven't listened to NPR.

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I've been out of my NPR

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bag. When I was fresh out

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of college, I was working at

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this job I hated, but I

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had my own office. Company

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name, location, other employees.

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And you were in Arizona, I thought

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that it was just Phoenix because of

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like... No, it was founded in Phoenix. I

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thought it was rising again, like a

2:00

bird. Like a firebird. I did not

2:02

work in this department, but there was

2:04

like a call center department where you

2:07

would call people and try to get

2:09

them to sign up. Yeah. And they

2:11

got in trouble for their really messed

2:13

up labor practices. Yeah. Because if your

2:16

numbers weren't up, they would put you

2:18

in the red room with no windows

2:20

and it was painted red. And you

2:23

couldn't leave unless you were allowed out.

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So there was a lawsuit. You couldn't

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leave it unless you were all loud

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out. That is breaking so many laws

2:32

and the Geneva Convention. That's breaking just

2:34

like basic instinct. That's like hierarchy of

2:37

needs cruelty. Well, so there was a

2:39

lawsuit and my ex who also worked

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at University of Phoenix at the time

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got a chunk of money because... He

2:46

worked there during that time in that

2:48

department. I was so depressed, I hated

2:50

working there so bad. It was like

2:53

truly soul-sucking and I would just listen

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to NPR all day long and pretend

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to be typing. I just have my

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little radio. I just feel like back

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in the day, this is maybe 10

3:04

years ago, during March Madness, they would

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have a fake spreadsheet button. that like

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if your boss came over your shoulder

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you could like click it and it

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would like look like it was you

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were doing work that's hilarious and I

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was like who would need this and

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then it's bad job yeah it's like

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when you have a very because I

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was you know young and I just

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didn't you know hadn't worked in the

3:30

number of times I would in a

3:32

emergency scenario we're in case of emergency

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command one tab Google calendar calendar calendar

3:37

Let me just double check what reason

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I'm so fast with my keyboard shortcuts.

3:41

Dude, I'm fucking quick draw McGraw when

3:44

it comes to like... You guys can't

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read what I'm doing, I'm holding command

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shift and I'm making the bracket left

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and right. I mean... I'm so good

3:53

at looking productive. My friend, Tristan, would

3:55

fall asleep at his desk sitting up

3:58

with his hands on the keyboard. but

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he would just put the Google search

4:02

home screen. And I'm like, dude, search

4:04

for something. He's like, no, I'm

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just imagining, I'm crafting the best

4:09

search. Work. When he searches in

4:11

Google, he doesn't once a day.

4:13

Google goes incredible. Wow. This is

4:15

a very considered search and not

4:17

a lot of people really think

4:19

before they say. You guessed that

4:21

I'm feeling lucky. Yeah. You got

4:23

it exactly right. I'm feeling like

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he is such a vestige of

4:27

old. The gone time. Uh, no

4:29

it's still there because of comfort

4:31

I think. But it doesn't pop

4:33

up on the home screen like it

4:35

used to. Yeah, well it's just

4:37

the like, it's literally just the

4:39

take the first option from the

4:41

search. Yeah. Oh, never mind, never.

4:43

What's that saying? I'm feeling stellar,

4:46

aren't relaxed. Art-relax. Artistic. I

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thought that said Arabic. I'm

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far away. I feel like

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it. I don't know. I'm not a

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fan of Kitchy Copy. It really

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does grow in my gears. Partiful.

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If anybody listening to uses part

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of all, I do appreciate it.

5:03

It's a lot for like socializing

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and people putting things together. However...

5:07

If you send invites on it,

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it goes, erm, if no

5:12

one has told you this

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day, you're epic! Yeah, it

5:16

really is like that. Bacon

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legend, W. I heard the

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word adulting said unironically recently,

5:22

and I apologize to a

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ginsey person who was within

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earshot for my generation's mom

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doing. That one's tough. What is

5:30

so, is, okay, obviously cringe.

5:32

Often just it kind of calcifies because

5:34

it's stuff from the past and you

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seem it's like reverse nostalgia right you

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remember a cringe version of yourself from

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the past you hear a thing it

5:43

looks in adulting is next to ermogur

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That stuff you know what it is

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about adulting is it feels to me

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insecure It's very much like I'm a

5:52

little baby in a suit. It's fear driven. Yeah.

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And that I'm not a real I'm not a

5:56

real adult. Don't get mad at me. Yeah. I'm

5:58

actually just a kid The math isn't math

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thing. Yeah, the math isn't math

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thing and I'm just a kid

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actually. Let's figure out some. What

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are some peeps? You're of the,

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you're like two years old. What's

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the quintessential millennial term that you

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would make fun of? What jumps

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to mind? I mean... Maybe it's

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because he just said about ermica

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ermoger is one, but also yeah

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adulting You couldn't even say it

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your mouth was like yeah, it's

6:27

like there's certain my body rejected

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it. Well, there's a thing. There's

6:31

like a phoneme acquisition period in

6:33

child development where like if you

6:35

don't learn certain sounds, there's a

6:37

whole COVID generation that can't say

6:39

me thinks. Yeah, yeah, that's the,

6:42

like you can't even look at

6:44

it at advice animal because it'll,

6:46

you'll have like a, you'll go

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into epileptic shock. The impact wants

6:50

to be in a pelactic shock.

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I also think of like, like,

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like, fallactic older memes that are

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like, winning. Oh, like, like, um.

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I think of like salty or

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extra yeah or like extra those

7:03

are those are those are those

7:05

are ones that are um like

7:07

that in glorious bastards oh very

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very good vintage there or whatever

7:12

it's like it's like it's like

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oh oh he's not European we

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don't count like this oh yeah

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wow extra I think that's so

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like maybe a matter I think

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that's like I haven't heard it

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so long wow it just like

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really like went I remember when

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I first moved to LA, a

7:31

mutual acquaintance of me and Jarvis,

7:33

who I won't name, when I

7:35

moved here, she was like, let's

7:37

get coffee together or whatever. And

7:40

I was like, cool. And I

7:42

was like, oh, how are you

7:44

liking LA? And I knew LA

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already before I moved here. I

7:48

already knew I liked it. You

7:50

know, you had a gift. And

7:52

she was like, you know, I'm

7:55

too extra for the people here.

7:57

And I was, I immediately was

7:59

like, that sounds like a you.

8:01

problem actually. Yeah, everyone I

8:03

know keeps being rude

8:05

to me. That's the

8:07

extra but on the

8:09

opposite end of that

8:11

basic. Basic. What

8:14

about pumpkin spice

8:16

latte? Yes, oh baby. You

8:18

can call me Signore

8:20

to awesome. Signoree

8:23

to awesome. Well, I don't

8:25

know. Signoree to.

8:27

Welcome to the grind.

8:30

How may I help you?

8:32

Pumpkin spice latte, please. I

8:34

want it freezing, though.

8:36

Actually, I just want

8:38

a regular coffee. Those

8:41

white girl pumpkin spice

8:43

latets, annoy me. I

8:45

mean love. Her name? Signorita

8:48

Awesome. This guy has Superman's

8:50

chin? And his hair is like,

8:52

he looks like he should be

8:54

Superman. He's like, uh, what, Superman

8:57

in like a 50s version. LA

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is full of people like this,

9:01

where they have like, they're distractingly

9:04

attractive. It's like, how do you,

9:06

you can't play a normal person?

9:08

You're not allowed to be a

9:11

barista. Move aside. You have to look

9:13

like me. You have to look like me.

9:15

Chalax is like, like why

9:17

are you saying that? The geology.

9:20

Chalax, yeah, that one's like, we

9:22

thought, like, that's lost media. Like,

9:24

like, we, I thought we lost

9:26

the scrolls. I think the Berlin

9:29

Wall fell then after that. Yeah,

9:31

wow. I would say the kid

9:33

get really mad at me, because

9:35

I said, take a chill pill.

9:38

We were like eight years old.

9:40

Yeah, that's not real. Now, you

9:42

just stop saying it. I do.

9:44

I do like using like older

9:47

stuff. Like I, there was a period

9:49

and I, maybe we'll start saying

9:51

this again, I would say rad.

9:53

I say rad and radical because

9:55

I think it's funny. I think

9:58

it's fun. And then these days. And

10:00

I don't know where I got

10:02

this from, but I will say

10:04

that rules. I love that. I

10:06

think I got this from Jordan.

10:09

I keep saying that rocks. That

10:11

rocks. I'll say no du, because

10:13

I think it's funny. No, du

10:15

is funny. No, I honestly. There's

10:17

no better feeling in the world

10:19

to me for some reason than

10:21

seeing like a terrible take or

10:23

something like that rocks. That's so

10:25

true. Oh yeah. I will instantly

10:27

hit a like hell yeah brother

10:29

if someone like says the inward

10:31

to me on like an Uber

10:33

like if a white band just

10:35

like yeah I have for sure

10:38

it off. So true. The one

10:40

thing that's kind of hit Sad

10:42

Boy's team like a virus is

10:44

just. doing like read it voice

10:46

yes um like like like literally

10:48

all of us have done it

10:50

at some point another feel a

10:52

little guilty yeah I do think

10:54

it is your fault you are

10:56

patient zero Austin is redic core

10:58

also to be fair I think

11:00

he got it from you originally

11:02

too young actually it would make

11:05

sense I've been texting erm to

11:07

people a lot yeah no I

11:09

hit er a lot you're really

11:11

thinking that's happening right now Scream

11:13

Queens. Actually, Katie's as guilty as

11:15

me. I think we egg each

11:17

other on them. Might be words.

11:19

So like that. Yeah, I think

11:21

you too need to be separated.

11:23

Rad's a weird one, because that

11:25

was me and my my sort

11:27

of friends who are like 15

11:29

were very much like Ameribou, like

11:32

like lapping, you know, kind of

11:34

stuff. Thankfully, pretty Mr. Beast kid

11:36

voice. So we still sounded the

11:38

same as we did. But Rad

11:40

was part of our wearing. flat

11:42

caps and like like US thrash

11:44

metal scene had kind of bled

11:46

in so it's a lot of

11:48

like bright colors H&M red H&M

11:50

sweater hoodies but there's like a

11:52

goofy looking hot dog design on

11:54

it or something like that. One

11:56

thing that you know our conversation

11:58

about um millennial Stupidity.

12:01

There's a millennial terms

12:04

and stuff, cringeness, right?

12:07

There's like a weird turn

12:09

happening now, where there's Gen

12:11

Z tick-tockers and

12:13

stuff that are like romanticizing

12:16

being a millennial. No offense

12:18

to millennials, I am one.

12:21

But it feels like a...

12:23

It's a bad time. Like,

12:25

millennials kind of got the

12:27

short... straw in a lot

12:29

of situations. I think got the

12:32

short straw. Well, but I'm

12:34

talking about how millennials

12:36

graduated from college

12:38

into a recession. Yeah, true.

12:41

Had like very few financial

12:43

and work opportunities

12:45

and then COVID and then. I'm

12:47

like, I think, and this

12:49

is just my personal opinion,

12:51

I think Gen Z has

12:53

it worse because because

12:55

we, like millennials. Got

12:58

to like get to live life a little bit

13:00

like our thing is like you're

13:02

buying too many lattes That's why

13:04

you can't afford a house. Why

13:06

don't you buy diamonds and and

13:09

but like Gen Z is like

13:11

oh the world is ending We

13:13

got promised and betrayed they never

13:15

got any promise. It's not like

13:17

just a recession. It's like we

13:19

feel like we're on the brink

13:22

of economic collapse Yeah, depending on

13:24

where you are in Gen Z

13:26

you either finished college or finished

13:28

high school into lockdown where you

13:30

like lost very valuable years of

13:33

like social development I guess I'll say

13:35

it's not a competition I

13:37

think it is not it's not

13:40

a it's not a trauma

13:42

competition I all times are bad

13:44

every time has their you know

13:47

Vietnam War whatever there happened

13:49

It's interesting, like, the fact

13:51

that we're about to see

13:53

people romanticizing millennials, especially being

13:55

like one generation removed from

13:57

it, because like, you know,

13:59

people be like, oh, I wish I

14:01

grew up in the 80s. Oh, well,

14:03

were my decides the 80s? Or, uh,

14:05

but it's basically yesterday. Yeah, but it's

14:07

like, this once it's imagined as 2013.

14:09

I'm like, no, Gen Z grew up

14:11

in 2013. We did live in 2030.

14:13

We did live in 2030. So like

14:15

you were a little baby. Like I

14:17

didn't, I was born in the 90s,

14:19

but I didn't really live in the

14:21

90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:23

So I think is like I think

14:25

is like I think is like, I

14:27

think is like, I think is like,

14:29

I think is like, I think is

14:31

like, I think is like, like, I

14:33

think is like, I think is like,

14:35

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

14:38

like, like, I think is like, like,

14:40

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

14:42

like, like, like, like, like, like, to

14:44

the millennial shorties. We do have the,

14:46

it's much easier for us to be

14:48

nostalgic for our era because it has

14:50

a very comfortable separation line between pre

14:52

and post internet where the, even though

14:54

the internet is around when we are

14:56

relatively young, it's so kind of, now

14:58

it's so atomized to the point where

15:00

there is always more than you can

15:02

handle and there is always something to

15:04

hate you and vice versa. most of

15:06

the things we can be nostalgic for

15:08

are playing a split screen game, sat

15:10

together, or even playing Runscape, but you

15:12

are being a kid. I can't imagine

15:14

what a summer off of school for

15:16

a Gen C high schooler is now,

15:18

because all of the same social performance

15:20

and engagement is present, the exact same

15:22

amount it would be at school. I

15:24

feel like as a millennial, I went

15:26

through a, like... We experienced at the

15:28

beginning of the social internet. It was

15:30

hours too, which is... Yeah, and so

15:32

it's like, I remember being off from

15:34

school and then getting FOMO because people

15:36

were hanging out and posting about it

15:38

on Facebook, you know what I mean?

15:40

That would be literally any time something

15:42

would happen. Your feed would just be

15:44

whatever happened. That would be your Facebook

15:46

feed was the thing you went to

15:48

last night. I want to ask peeps

15:50

what they think about, like... The

15:53

Jordan's point about when you

15:55

go into a holiday or

15:58

you're away from... or whatever,

16:00

does it feel like you're

16:03

on vacation or do you

16:05

feel like you're still

16:08

connected to tethered to

16:10

like the world? Well

16:12

it depends on what, like

16:14

at which point in my life

16:17

because you know when I was

16:19

a kid it was a lot of,

16:21

I got my first like eye

16:24

touch or like phone that

16:26

could do things other than

16:28

call my mom. iPod Touch. Oh,

16:30

I Touch. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, never

16:32

heard that before. Um, I like that.

16:34

When I was like, I was probably like

16:37

11 12 when I got my

16:39

first one. And so like I

16:41

was like the first time I

16:43

played games and stuff. So like

16:45

until until then, it was, you know,

16:47

my. Mom would call my friend's mom and

16:49

they would arrange for us to hang out

16:51

and so it was a lot of playing

16:53

on time doing all that's not being on

16:55

the internet an iPad Yeah, peeps is going

16:57

to be available that weekend They're

17:00

pretty busy right now, but I think

17:02

we can make a playtime work If it's

17:04

like um if I'm not hangout friends,

17:06

it was a my sister and I

17:08

were sitting around the computer in my

17:10

dad's office playing club penguin or weapons. Okay,

17:12

yeah, so that's relatable to me.

17:14

Yeah, so you have seen me sitting around the

17:17

server spamming a sad face because one of

17:19

my friend's logoff. Oh, no, I was on tune

17:21

town when you were doing that. Oh, I was out of

17:23

town. I was in Club Edward. I was on a

17:25

ski trip. But as I got to like middle

17:27

school, it was a lot of just like, actually,

17:30

when I got to middle school. all

17:32

I was doing when I wasn't in

17:34

school was playing Minecraft. I think there

17:36

was a solid two summers where I

17:38

was sitting, I would wake up, sit

17:40

on the couch, play Minecraft, go to

17:42

bed, wake up, play Minecraft. Like it

17:44

was just like a chicken guy. And

17:46

that's what I started. That's when I

17:49

started getting like online friends. And a

17:51

lot of my friends growing up were

17:53

online. Yeah. So it's like, I didn't

17:55

really have a lot of that like,

17:57

besides like my three friends at school.

18:00

There is a sustained level of like intimacy

18:02

to... like online relationships or like online friendships

18:04

and community, I think sometimes gets unfairly minimized

18:06

or like derided due to it being like,

18:08

you don't know anyone online, you don't, they're

18:11

not the real them, it's performance. But like,

18:13

come on, come on, when I'm 15, I'm

18:15

as performative, as I would have been if

18:17

I was like active on Instagram or something.

18:19

It's just that now... I get to, you

18:21

know, do that jadex thing where they go

18:23

like, when we played on a slide it

18:26

was covered in broken glass and every swing

18:28

was on fire and I get to talk

18:30

about it and kind of memory hole, like

18:32

the grandest scariest stuff. But I think my

18:34

brain would maybe get overloaded by knowing so

18:36

much about so many people, even if it's

18:39

only the best foot they're putting forward, knowing

18:41

what like... Every single one of my friend's

18:43

family looks like from Instagram knowing what every

18:45

single one of their hobbies are. It would

18:47

be like. Yeah, and it's also interesting because

18:49

like as we got to the late middle

18:51

school, high school phase, I was, you know,

18:54

online less and hanging out with in your

18:56

life friends more, but growing up with this

18:58

technology and like wanting to like, remember funny

19:00

moments, we always had our phones at recording

19:02

each other. recording in hopes we'd get the

19:04

funny thing that the funny friend said right

19:07

you know and so it's and that's like

19:09

a thing that like we just didn't have

19:11

phone batteries that lasted that yeah it was

19:13

really practical yeah like the home like the

19:15

home camcorder that your mom went make home

19:17

videos on the doctor is in is probably

19:19

what they say when they go to work

19:22

But you don't experience that to you Jordan

19:24

because you never go to the doctor you

19:26

dumb donkey me up I'm

19:28

sorry for bothering you

19:30

could you help me

19:32

I'm sick it's daunting

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because my cell phone

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like I for my generation I

21:32

was pretty early to having

21:34

a lot of online

21:36

friends and having a lot

21:38

of online community because it

21:40

was something that like not a lot of people

21:42

I knew could relate to if I were ever

21:44

even talk about it. But

21:46

it does feel nice it's

21:48

almost like it's something you

21:50

build completely yourself.

21:53

These aren't like kids you went to school

21:55

with like a bunch of my friends when

21:57

I was like 13, 14. I just Scottish

21:59

guy. I met on Xbox Live and we're

22:02

all basically the same person and

22:04

we're all sharing a community because

22:06

we all needed friends, you know,

22:08

and but instead of like seeing that as

22:10

a, I have nobody else to reach out

22:12

to, it was like, these are my friends.

22:15

My mom didn't call that mom and said

22:17

this up. This is like, we're like an

22:19

office. We're like, we're buddies. This is

22:21

interesting this idea that there are

22:24

two Gen Z's. It's just different.

22:26

I was kind of talking about

22:28

this too. Yeah, I do think

22:30

this is really true. And also,

22:32

like, I just want to like

22:34

preface or, you know, interject into

22:36

this conversation that like

22:38

generations aren't all encompassing

22:41

into personal identity. Like

22:43

there are so many people who veer

22:46

away from these descriptors. You know, even

22:48

though they were like. living in this

22:50

time period. But that's what I kind

22:52

of get like, you know, there's always

22:55

like the GenZ versus millennial war on

22:57

TikTok. Like I get videos that are

22:59

like millennial core and it's like, it's

23:01

like the same three people being just

23:04

cringe people. And I'm like, no, that's

23:06

not millennials. That's just these three people

23:08

being weird. Well, and the fact that,

23:10

like, I asked you previous if you

23:13

were an iPad kid. I think iPad

23:15

kids had more money. You know what

23:17

I mean? Like there's class

23:19

divides, there's other elements that

23:21

would change the experience. You

23:24

have to have like the time

23:26

and resources to encounter these

23:28

problems, right? To know, to be

23:31

able to riff on millennials

23:33

or vice versa, you have to, I

23:35

don't know. Be online enough to be exposed

23:38

to it. Why the fuck else would you

23:40

know about home? So that just happened and

23:42

anyone that makes their identity like Um

23:44

like oh, I'm a millennial and I

23:46

hate you know, but like you're just

23:49

proving everyone's point. Why are you labeling

23:51

it so hard? Bless you. Yeah, and

23:53

there's truly two millennials to like people

23:55

who didn't get the internet until late

23:57

high school college and the people who

24:00

got it when they were in

24:02

middle school or whatever. You know,

24:04

it's like, it's very different experience.

24:07

I've also experienced, I don't know

24:09

Jordan, if you've experienced this, but

24:11

like, we are chronically online. It's

24:14

just like, it's a part of

24:16

our lives, it's a part of

24:18

our jobs, and it used, like,

24:21

I, when I engage with people

24:23

from our, let's say old co-workers,

24:25

your old friends from different areas

24:28

of our life, in some ways.

24:30

The way that I feel like

24:33

they communicate with me is a

24:35

little time capsaled. Yeah. And I,

24:37

I'm not saying that for better

24:40

or for worse, but I just

24:42

notice that. Because they're writing you

24:44

letters. They're saying it's been a

24:47

fortnight since our last course of

24:49

my love. I just think that

24:51

a lot, the reason that my

24:54

communication style has changed over time

24:56

is because I've always just been

24:58

so online and that's the place

25:01

that. I'm, that's the language that

25:03

I'm speaking. Yeah. And for my

25:05

friends that are chronically offline, they

25:08

might still hit me with an

25:10

ermoger, you know. I feel the

25:12

same way with, I feel like

25:15

I'm always explaining internet stuff to

25:17

people just because it's like, this

25:19

is my job and I'm way

25:22

more online than a lot of

25:24

my friends at my same age.

25:26

unavoidable maybe I don't want to

25:29

be a phone bad black mirror

25:31

good guy but there is an

25:33

element to like think I'm not

25:36

I don't post really ever but

25:38

I have my thumb rhythmically involved

25:40

with social media to the extent

25:43

where I will open actually everything

25:45

at because I want to hang

25:47

it with croc I pop it

25:50

open only one of those guys

25:52

that like at's croc download this

25:54

for some fucking reason and then

25:57

I pretty much immediately close but

25:59

The way my brain works, anything

26:02

I'm... trying to do offline is

26:04

conscious. I'm still, I'm still like

26:06

fighting the synapses to go and

26:09

take a walk instead of do

26:11

the natural normal thing, which is

26:13

scroll. Oh, 100%. That's like base

26:16

brain. Uh, can I read this?

26:18

Because I think, I just think

26:20

it's so funny. It's pretty good.

26:23

Imagine. It's 2013. A new episode

26:25

of Girls just dropped. You're a

26:27

millennial woman living in Green Point,

26:30

Brooklyn. Trying to make it as

26:32

a slam poet. Make it as

26:34

a slam poet is hilarious. 2032.

26:37

Has anyone ever made it? That's

26:39

like a black white ass. Like.

26:41

You're dating a man who makes

26:44

buzz feed quizzes. Life is good.

26:46

Life is probably not good. 2013.

26:48

I don't. I think that's the

26:51

man who makes buzz feed quizzes.

26:53

probably went to school for journalism

26:55

is trying so hard to be

26:58

a journalist but can't get any

27:00

job but Buzzfeed quiz guy where

27:02

he's not making enough money. Yeah,

27:05

slam poet. Yeah, you have a

27:07

day job. You don't like each

27:09

other very much, but you're still

27:12

dating because you are on a

27:14

lease. Yeah, you can't afford to

27:16

make it. As a slam poet

27:19

implies that it's not going away.

27:21

You're working at an entry-level job

27:23

at capital one. What's the, wait,

27:26

what's the result? of being a

27:28

slam poet. You're on Wiling Out?

27:31

That's the end. I don't know.

27:33

Oh, this is so funny. I

27:35

would have been a great millennial.

27:38

I would work at ID and

27:40

my friends would work at Vice

27:42

and Buzzfeed News. And we'd write

27:45

listicles and Twitter. Listicals being romanticized

27:47

is insane. Unfortunately. I was too

27:49

busy being in the sixth grade

27:52

to participate. Twitter and its prime.

27:54

Did I remember? Did Twitter in

27:56

its prime the true early days

27:59

of Twitter? It was like Ashton

28:01

Kutcher was the most famous person

28:03

on Twitter. A plus K, that

28:05

was his at. And we followed him,

28:08

like Jesus. It was all shower thoughts.

28:10

Yeah, it was like, pooping, RN. It

28:12

was like, what would it, so you

28:15

out-hot eat the food, but what are

28:17

the goals? It was just shower thoughts.

28:19

It was like, ah, peak. And the

28:22

caption that poses like, why

28:24

is Genzi suddenly jealous of

28:26

millennials? And it's like, no. Oh no,

28:28

but so back then they were just

28:30

doing this so it must have all

28:33

been good. No, millennials were having their

28:35

own issues at that time. And

28:37

all you saw was consistently been

28:39

bad. It's so insulting to call

28:41

someone a Buzzfeed writer about it.

28:43

The idea of like complementary being

28:46

like, dude, you wrote listicles

28:48

as a job. You made that Harry Potter

28:50

sorting quiz show well. Buzzfeed was

28:52

such a like punching bag for

28:55

so long. Especially the Buzzfeed website

28:57

like and. I yeah it's so funny to

28:59

see that it's like if you know there's

29:01

like if one of these was like

29:03

I wish I could go back to

29:06

the pick of comedy with like Big

29:08

Bang Theory everyone was making fun of

29:10

Big Bang Theory well that was what

29:12

you think of the show yeah the

29:14

online contingent were not the reason that

29:16

show was successful that what the Buzzfeed

29:18

writers weren't the ones being like oh

29:21

dude I love Big Bang Theory they

29:23

just had to write here's the top

29:25

ten penny moments of things were

29:28

Bubbling under and a lot

29:30

of the issues that we have

29:32

now were issues in the past

29:35

or were kind of

29:37

developing into the current

29:39

day issues like Peeps what

29:41

is your view of the

29:44

economy? Oh, the economy right

29:46

now. Yeah, right now

29:48

Peeps you're a health care

29:51

executive? Watch your back.

29:53

CMO. It bad. It's really

29:56

bad. Yeah. Especially when I

29:58

hear all of the, oh wow. Why does

30:00

Jensen not want to buy a

30:02

house? Why does Jensen not want

30:04

to have kids? Like we can't

30:06

afford ourselves. Yeah, what's the outcomes

30:08

razor on that one? Just never

30:10

wanted comfortable lifestyle. My mom and

30:12

stepdad said, why are you throwing

30:14

your money away on rent? You

30:16

should buy a house. Right, classic.

30:18

Oh, cool, how? It's the, yeah,

30:20

the loyati, Drake. My, we, the

30:22

other day we were plugging our

30:24

childhood homes into Zillow and I

30:26

found out that my childhood home

30:28

sold, now it's not in a

30:30

neighborhood, you wouldn't want to live

30:32

in the house, you wouldn't want

30:34

to live in the neighborhood, the

30:36

houses, and more than likely, I

30:38

had a great childhood, all things

30:40

considered, but in 2010. The house

30:43

that I Griffin sold for $20,000

30:45

which is crazy the small fucking

30:47

house The price was the same

30:49

as the number of years It

30:51

was probably like unlivable or whatever

30:53

at the time and they like

30:55

renovated it and then it's sold

30:57

again for $40,000 Yeah, it is

30:59

still a cheap house today, but

31:01

watch this real quick because I

31:03

want to see this guy's man

31:05

The millennials and genziers who are

31:07

complaining that they can't buy a

31:09

house are not working for minimum

31:11

wage These are people making 60

31:13

70 80 90 thousand dollars a

31:15

year who can no longer afford

31:17

a house But minimum wage workers

31:19

are also complaining because they can't

31:21

afford rent if you look back

31:23

to 1980 the rent was two

31:25

hundred and forty three dollars minimum

31:27

wage was three dollars in ten

31:29

cents meaning your monthly gross was

31:31

four hundred and ninety six dollars

31:33

So to rent this apartment it

31:35

would be forty eight point nine

31:37

percent of your gross income back

31:39

in seven. the federal minimum wage

31:41

is $7.25 giving you $11.60. You

31:43

can't even get an apartment with

31:45

the federal minimum wage, but let's

31:47

be generous and double the federal

31:49

minimum wage because people at Walmart

31:51

and fast food joints are making

31:53

$14.50 to $15. So $14.50 would

31:55

bring you to 23.20. So technically

31:57

you're making more, but this is

31:59

your gross and it'd be $75%

32:01

of your gross income. Yeah, which

32:03

is double the federal minimum wage.

32:05

you have money for? It's weird

32:07

that people don't acknowledge how shitty

32:09

it is. Well, and I get,

32:11

you know, it's like the generation

32:13

does, but like people in power

32:15

are like lie through their teeth.

32:17

Because it doesn't benefit them, honestly.

32:20

Yeah, because then they're, then they

32:22

have to solve it. If they

32:24

say it's a problem. I would

32:26

say that this is me being

32:28

a perpetual pessimist and a hater,

32:30

but a peep. They actually benefit

32:32

from our desperation. Oh for sure.

32:34

And they want us to work

32:36

constantly. I mean that's the foundation

32:38

of the feudal system. It's like,

32:40

is there a comparison the other

32:42

day of the function of oppression

32:44

is a steam engine? Because the

32:46

more you oppress and the more

32:48

you restrict, this was in reference

32:50

to like religious doctrine and stuff,

32:52

but it applies here as well,

32:54

where the fewer opportunities and fewer

32:56

levers that you offer people. the

32:58

more like homogenous the group focuses

33:00

like hey you can't drink booze

33:02

you can't check off you can't

33:04

do the you know you can't

33:06

do whatever was like my better

33:08

till the fields I guess like

33:10

what else I'm gonna do in

33:12

my time and now it's like

33:14

well you can't buy a house

33:16

you can't do any of these

33:18

things we're still gonna make a

33:20

lot of TV that talks about

33:22

the American dream you can still

33:24

watch blue bloods and think that

33:26

cops are a cops are epic

33:28

wag yeah but they're also gonna

33:30

shoot gonna shoot It's a cope,

33:32

I think, as part of it.

33:34

Like, how nice would it feel

33:36

to be like, you're like, just

33:38

completely, it takes someone there, completely

33:40

financially secure, nothing is in their

33:42

way, but they have been, it's

33:44

one of those kids, like, grew

33:46

up, middle, upper, middle class, but

33:48

was taught the value of the

33:50

dollar. So that when they get

33:52

a job from their uncles, their

33:54

uncles, uncles, they can pretend they

33:57

built it themselves. How nice would

33:59

it be to be that person

34:01

still think you, air quotes, struggled

34:03

because the switch costs more now.

34:05

But you also. get the sweet,

34:07

sweet privilege of judging your peers

34:09

because they chose to work at

34:11

Walmart. Like, what do you want?

34:13

No one to work at Walmart?

34:15

Well, okay, it's also, like, there's,

34:17

um, everyone's like, well, no one

34:19

wants to work. And I sent

34:21

Jacob a video of someone who

34:23

made a little animation thing that's

34:25

like. over the course of the

34:27

past like two months, I've applied

34:29

to 64 jobs, 48 didn't respond,

34:31

19 rejected me, and one after

34:33

four interviews also rejected me. And

34:35

it's like, yeah, I've had so

34:37

many friends personally who have been

34:39

through this process and I've been

34:41

applying, applying, applying, and you can't

34:43

even, like some of them. Yeah,

34:45

here it is. Well, like half

34:47

the jobs are fake. Yeah. Like

34:49

so many jobs are false advertised.

34:51

And then it's full of... They're

34:53

like ghost jobs. All of the

34:55

more prestigious roles for like a

34:57

middle class role are less impactful

34:59

than working at a fast address

35:01

than working at Walmart. They make

35:03

work jobs. You sit and you

35:05

open the Excel folder. and then

35:07

you jump on over to Google,

35:09

you close as soon as your

35:11

boss walks by, but you sit

35:13

amiably because Bank of America has

35:15

too much money to know what

35:17

it's spending it on. True. My

35:19

building manager the other day said...

35:21

Name, address. I'm so frustrated with

35:23

him, I'm really close to saying

35:25

his name and manager. There was

35:27

an open apartment and he said,

35:29

I'm trying to hire a cleaner

35:32

to come and clean this open

35:34

apartment. But no one wants to

35:36

work these days. Well, it's that

35:38

no one wants to work for

35:40

what you're willing to pay. Well,

35:42

so I said- No one wants

35:44

to have no money. I know

35:46

cleaners. I can recommend some to

35:48

you. How much are you offering?

35:50

He said $50. What? $50. No

35:52

one wants to work these days.

35:54

And I said, oh yeah. Of

35:56

course, no one wants to work

35:58

for $50 to clean a whole

36:00

ass. apartment. That's insane. Could it

36:02

be? There's something here that's stopping

36:04

them from being willing to do

36:07

it. I think it must be

36:09

laziness. It can't be that I'm

36:11

paying them like one-third of a

36:14

steam sale. Yeah, dude, I'm humble

36:16

bundling these fucking cleaners. It must

36:18

be. You and all your friends

36:20

should want to clean my place for a

36:23

nickel. I mean, I guess I have to

36:25

do it yourself and I said, yeah,

36:27

for $50, yeah, you have to do

36:29

yourself. If they clean, how long does

36:31

it take them, right? And then you

36:33

could say to them, wow, it took

36:36

you three hours to clean. You

36:38

just priced your own labor for

36:40

like less than $20 an hour.

36:42

Gotcha. Walmart or like fast food

36:44

places are trying to offer people

36:46

like, oh, we're paying up to

36:48

$19. If you're like a manager,

36:50

like the store manager, like, oh,

36:52

$19 an hour. And then. I've literally

36:54

seen people applying for McDonald's Walmart

36:57

target. They will not hire anyone

36:59

and it's like you are begging

37:01

people to come work for you

37:03

and then you're rejecting everyone

37:05

even when I was in school like I

37:08

was in a situation where the market

37:10

was so favorable to my specific skill

37:12

set that I like low-key had on

37:14

accident because I didn't know going into

37:16

my major that it was going to

37:18

be a thing that was like going

37:20

to be booming at the time that

37:22

I you're just interested in I was

37:24

just interested in it and the and

37:26

and what's crazy is that there was

37:28

even this era in like 2013 to

37:30

maybe even 2020 where everyone was on

37:33

there like learn to code shit where

37:35

it was like Oh, this fucking teacher,

37:37

they should just fucking learn to code

37:39

this fucking bus driver if they're

37:41

not happy about the economy.

37:43

They should just like learn a new

37:45

trade or whatever. And now with like,

37:47

uh, like generative AI and also with

37:50

like kind of the market being what

37:52

it is. There are a lot less

37:54

of those jobs for like programming and

37:56

stuff like that and the judge. And

37:58

they're paying less. Like I'm in my

38:01

little ivory tower being like, oh,

38:03

you should actually learn a marketable

38:05

skill. Oh, well, I learned to

38:07

code and now how that how's

38:09

that working? Well, there's so many

38:11

people. You have to learn to

38:13

drive a bus. You have to

38:15

you have to predict if I

38:17

could predict the market I'd be

38:19

rich. Well, now you should learn

38:21

to drop ship. Oh, and even

38:23

drop shipping is like. Like, drop

38:25

shipping is the ancient scrolls of

38:27

like that type of like hustle

38:29

thing. Now you gotta like sell

38:31

a course about selling courses. Drop

38:33

shipping feels like I'm being like,

38:35

it's such an old hat way

38:37

of, it's just classic scam, get

38:39

rich, quick, whatever. That is like

38:41

if somebody was like, no, I'm

38:43

not really an organ officer, I'm

38:45

like a belly taker, I'm like

38:47

a belly taker. lack of things

38:49

that we actually need like mechanics

38:51

electricians plumbers that sort of thing

38:53

like people aren't going into those

38:55

trades because you know you you

38:58

are being told you should code

39:00

or whatever teachers or teachers like

39:02

it's like can't name like a

39:04

more important like role for our

39:06

society to just be laying by

39:08

the way side It's very much

39:10

like no one wants to work

39:12

anymore. Like, oh, you have to

39:14

pay for your own supply. My

39:16

sister is a teacher. But like,

39:18

oh, you have to pay for

39:20

your own supplies out of your

39:22

own fucking small ass. Like, first

39:24

of all, you're not making that

39:26

much money doing it with. And

39:28

then on top of that, you're

39:30

being asked to perform above and

39:32

beyond, not to mention your job

39:34

extends outside of the traditional 95.

39:36

You would have to be learning

39:38

the code during nap time. I

39:40

saw a tick talk of a

39:42

teacher that. had gone through like

39:44

500 pencils within like the first

39:46

two weeks of school because kids

39:48

weren't returning them and so they

39:50

were like I've started asking them

39:52

like they take a pencil I

39:54

take their phone and they have

39:56

to like so they have to

39:58

give the pencil back or like

40:00

or like something like that you

40:02

know they have to give me

40:04

something that they don't want to

40:06

leave behind. Right, it's like your

40:08

ID. Leaving your ID somewhere, like

40:10

I'll be back, like, because they

40:12

can't afford more pencils. My mom

40:14

used to be on the school

40:17

board for her tiny town and

40:19

the school board had the teachers

40:21

make Amazon wishless and it's like

40:23

that we can't operate this way.

40:25

They're not getting crazy. It's like

40:27

the community should not have to

40:29

rally. together to be able to

40:31

do one of the most basic

40:33

things that a community should do.

40:35

The mission of like a guild

40:37

should not be to keep themselves

40:39

alive. It should be to like

40:41

thrive. And that, again, universal basic

40:43

income is it gets, again, the

40:45

greatest trick the devil ever played

40:47

is that merit is the only

40:49

thing that should exist for some

40:51

reason, but like universal basic. And

40:53

the success is a meritocracy. It's

40:55

pure meritocracy and the universe. No

40:57

one has ever presented a real

40:59

argument against UBI because the real

41:01

argument, well the arguments they make,

41:03

is just a repackaging of... It's

41:05

not fair. It values what I

41:07

did. It kind of be like...

41:09

So he is like a livable...

41:11

If everybody just got up a

41:13

billion dollars and I didn't, it

41:15

was five hundred dollars a month

41:17

and in the meantime go to

41:19

trade school. Like that is what

41:21

UBI is typically... and a lot

41:23

of Europe is like applied as,

41:25

right... Because we are here so

41:27

brainbroken, so warped, that the idea

41:29

of getting something for air quotes

41:31

nothing, which makes no sense. It

41:34

doesn't make any sense. It's like

41:36

when someone doesn't want to like

41:38

pay taxes, it's like, well, I'm

41:40

not getting anything from it. It's

41:42

like, oh, okay, then you are.

41:44

only you're like a sociopath who

41:46

only believes in themselves. Don't use

41:48

the roads. Yeah, exactly. It's like,

41:50

and it's like, yes, you could

41:52

have an argument about how the

41:54

government is allocating funds, but the

41:56

kind of like sort of trying

41:58

to erode the concept of the

42:00

concept of government is it. Like,

42:02

makes sense, right? Yeah, sure. The

42:04

concept of community makes sense. Like,

42:06

um, delegating responsibilities to, um, the

42:08

people you have delegated. Like, yeah,

42:10

yeah. But it's just that those

42:12

people, they get made out. Well,

42:14

not all of us can, if

42:16

there's 10 of us, and we

42:18

all have to do a certain

42:20

job, not all of us can

42:22

learn to code. Yeah. Because we're

42:24

just gonna have 10 coders

42:26

and no one who can

42:28

fucking fix the pain. What's

42:31

wrong with you? What's going

42:33

on at the top of

42:35

his head? He looks kind

42:37

of like old Minecraft-steep. I

42:39

just want to say he

42:41

has always been a fake-ass piece

42:43

of shit. What about the

42:45

work ethic of Gen Z? What

42:48

do you guys think about the

42:50

younger generation and

42:52

how they work, don't work,

42:54

move around, job-wise, what they

42:56

expect? How they, yeah, their

42:58

gate and how they levitate

43:00

often. What do you think

43:02

about the Genzies vertical leap? If

43:05

they got hops. I notice the black

43:07

ones don't jump as they used

43:09

to. Sorry, he didn't say that.

43:11

Where's the, why don't we got

43:13

as many Larry birds? What happened

43:15

there? Blah like Larry birds. Usually

43:17

this long hair over here. This bee.

43:19

Duck to it. I don't like stereotypes

43:21

of any kind. I think

43:23

there are ambitious industrious

43:25

industrious people. in your generation,

43:28

there were in our generation,

43:30

there were also deadbeats.

43:32

It's just a very... So far so

43:35

good. You know, it's so

43:37

individual. Okay. If you're seeing at

43:39

Dollar Tree on your timeline,

43:41

that's because they're under

43:43

fire after a manager

43:45

in Indiana posted, help

43:47

wanted, but only for boomers

43:50

and not Gen Z because,

43:52

quote, don't know what work

43:54

actually means. And then I

43:57

apologize for us closing again.

43:59

My two new cashiers quit because

44:01

I said their boyfriends couldn't stand

44:04

here for their entire shift. Don't

44:06

hire Gen Z. They don't know

44:08

what work actually means. Don't hire

44:10

them? Don't fire all women from

44:12

game development. Get a job, but

44:14

don't hire. Like literally, it's like,

44:16

literally, why aren't they buying houses?

44:18

That's called, that's a lock. You've,

44:20

like, you've soft lost, Gen Z

44:22

for getting a job. Don't, don't,

44:24

don't hire Gen Z. Gen Z,

44:27

get a job. It's not going

44:29

to grow up. Stay a child.

44:31

My first job was at the

44:33

San Rio store. I loved Hellicadi.

44:35

And I was 16 or 15.

44:37

I was young and most, you

44:39

know, I became friends with my

44:41

coworkers. I look at a, and

44:43

we were kids. We wanted our

44:45

boyfriends to stand there or whatever.

44:47

We want, we goofed off. We

44:49

played, when the manager was gone,

44:52

we've played like our. Hip-hop music

44:54

or whatever she didn't like us

44:56

playing you know, you're I call

44:58

it crap Here's the thing like

45:00

if you're getting the work done

45:02

great. It's the dollar store relax

45:04

It's like it's kind of the

45:06

like hey, we're a family mentality,

45:08

but with less Less kind of

45:10

Vaseline with like a little less

45:12

grease on it. Yeah, it's just

45:14

like hey, we're a family and

45:17

that's why you work late and

45:19

then this one's like hey you

45:21

need to work late or I

45:23

will Remove your personhood. I will

45:25

take away your ability to be

45:27

a person I worked at an

45:29

ice cream shop in a car

45:31

shop for a while and I

45:33

would have friends come over and

45:35

then when I have a customer

45:37

I go oh it's like I

45:40

go all the customer I do

45:42

my job and I go back

45:44

and I go back and go

45:46

buy it for you to go

45:48

there. And it's like if I

45:50

admit a corporate job and I'm

45:52

in an office and my best

45:54

friend or my boyfriend or my

45:56

boyfriend or whatever is standing there

45:58

the whole time I'd be like

46:00

you. I'd like me get out.

46:02

like in like where we met

46:05

when we were together we were

46:07

however exploitative any workplace can be

46:09

that hey you got a working

46:11

right and grind and you shouldn't

46:13

work too long but you should

46:15

can I give you a call

46:17

on the weekend that kind of

46:19

stuff it's not the ask we

46:21

would make of anyone but we

46:23

were partly bought in because there

46:25

was a promise there was a

46:27

hey you will Be

46:30

you will rise in this company.

46:32

It's almost implicit. You will rise

46:34

in this company and With a

46:36

lot of startups tech startups, especially

46:38

you're usually taking a hit to

46:40

salary If with small startups because

46:42

of like how much funding they

46:44

have but then you get as

46:46

a part of your compensation package

46:48

actual stock in the company which

46:50

means that there is a financial

46:52

correlation between how well the company

46:54

does and how well you do.

46:56

But the labor wasn't equal and

46:58

the facilities managers didn't make as

47:00

much as somebody else? Yes, and

47:02

there's a million more stories of

47:04

those companies that completely zero out.

47:06

And you have to know that,

47:09

like, I went to go work

47:11

at patron for the mission knowing

47:13

that my, because I like wanted

47:15

to feel some sort of actualization

47:17

in my work. and also knowing

47:19

that any stock was lottery tickets.

47:21

Yeah, I literally didn't have any

47:23

conception of, I didn't know I

47:25

was getting stock until I already

47:27

had about two years of it.

47:29

I literally, I just never even

47:31

thought about it. I was, you

47:33

know, I was 21 and I

47:35

went there because I had been

47:37

begging them to let me do

47:39

work for free. And then finally

47:41

in college, they let me start

47:43

doing stuff. I get the visa

47:45

move there, get into it. And

47:48

I, again, very fortunate. Very fortunate.

47:50

I could have been manipulated. I

47:52

was like, prime candidate for somebody

47:54

to get underpaid and overworked and

47:56

so and so. No one wants

47:58

to work anymore. It's like, okay,

48:00

well, would you work for free?

48:02

for one dollar when are we?

48:04

Was it allowed? It's just like

48:06

why this person isn't a doctor

48:08

because they're horrible at triage. Yeah.

48:10

I'm just making a joke but like,

48:12

because if this person is

48:15

a franchise owner or not

48:17

if they're just a manager, Dollar

48:19

Tree is like, a lot of

48:21

them are like famously under

48:23

staffed and and like. This

48:25

person is being crunched by

48:28

corporate and they're placing the

48:30

blame on the level below

48:32

them and that's how like

48:34

that's how this ruling class succeeds

48:36

is because you're blaming the

48:38

entry-level employees or the people

48:40

who do just want jobs

48:42

and think that a job

48:44

at dollar tree isn't going to

48:46

be like It's like not the army or

48:49

whatever. Well, it's like who else do you

48:51

yell? You got to yell at. You can't

48:53

yell at your boss. So now you have

48:55

to impose your power and then you feel

48:57

powerless and so you just go, it's the

48:59

generation. I'm struggling too. You know, it's that

49:01

kind of thing. It's like, because when I

49:03

see that, I'm like, okay, yeah, you can

49:05

be an asshole and I'll still like defend

49:08

your personhood. I want you to also to

49:10

also get the health. I don't want you

49:12

to. be under the stress that you're probably

49:14

under, right? I also think

49:16

that like we do not, the

49:19

older generations tend to be

49:21

so harsh on young people

49:23

and forget that they were

49:25

the exact same way. Like they,

49:27

when these boomers had jobs as

49:29

teens, if they had jobs

49:31

as teens, They probably were

49:34

not great workers because they

49:36

were learning, right? They weren't, the

49:38

if is a good point. I

49:40

mean, having a part-time job while

49:42

living with your parents at home

49:44

at that period of time,

49:46

actually, like the mid-2000s

49:48

is not even really this, like

49:50

for a very long time, would

49:53

supplement a savings account. You could

49:55

move at a home if you

49:57

went to college with thousands of

49:59

dollars. Right. Because you worked two

50:01

shifts a week for a few

50:03

years at the local retail store.

50:05

Right. Because the, because you could,

50:07

it's numbers. Meanwhile, like, Gen Z

50:09

is like trying to make ends

50:12

meet and staring at the, the

50:14

calendar where it says overtime, overtime,

50:16

and then still like not finding

50:18

a way to make it work.

50:20

But then there's no empathy. It's

50:22

much easier to assume that everything

50:24

is the same and you actually

50:26

were exceptional than it being a

50:28

different time and the variables and

50:30

circumstances having changed. Because that means

50:32

your success is actually not as

50:34

valuable. Yeah, now we put an

50:36

asterisk on my success. Clutch my

50:38

pearls I might have. Excuse me,

50:40

it's you for no reason doing

50:42

it. I got my first job

50:45

at 15 and was there for

50:47

four years. about two years into

50:49

that got a second job was

50:51

working at both places most every

50:53

day and then from 15 to

50:55

22 had four jobs between that

50:57

time didn't move out until I

50:59

was 23 because I couldn't afford

51:01

to do that until then and

51:03

it's like yeah it's just it's

51:05

not the same as it was

51:07

and you people it's so crazy

51:09

because like the hierarchy of needs

51:11

and desire has not changed So

51:13

they look at generation and think

51:15

non-critically and say, well, I guess

51:18

they don't want to work. Okay,

51:20

we'll keep going. That's not genetically

51:22

they don't. Do you think it

51:24

was like radiation from Chernopol? No,

51:26

it's literally keep going because, okay,

51:28

so, because the previous generation raised

51:30

them. Yeah. So they're yours. This

51:32

is anecdotal and you're damning a

51:34

whole generation off of. A few

51:36

tweets and so that's why I

51:38

like Jane Doe or whatever her

51:40

name is like she she was

51:42

at least a little bit more

51:44

nuanced. Did you have it we

51:46

might? of watching the show, this

51:48

was like maybe last year, the

51:51

9 to 5 girl. Do you

51:53

remember that like quick moment? Well

51:55

I don't know if we watch

51:57

it on the show, but I

51:59

was just in an Uber where

52:01

this guy was talking to me

52:03

about a 9 to 5 girl

52:05

who like who like does lives

52:07

or does short form where they

52:09

like do content about their... nine

52:11

to five job but then like

52:13

somehow like bought a house oh

52:15

they were like you got a

52:17

hustle and then they're like something

52:19

isn't adding up here she's got

52:21

like the inverse of this because

52:24

it was it was a viral

52:26

clip that went around maybe maybe

52:28

two years ago but it's somebody

52:30

who was went to college at

52:32

kind of like early COVID had

52:34

gotten out had a degree that

52:36

facilitated them moving into from the

52:38

college who went to in New

52:40

York to moving into an office

52:42

role But I think maybe they

52:44

were living in like Jersey and

52:46

having to go in. Yes. And

52:48

they were just making this video,

52:50

saying I have to travel. Talking

52:52

about how it's rough. I have

52:54

to drill two and a half

52:57

hours to get to the office

52:59

and then once I am there

53:01

at 9 a.m. I have to

53:03

wait for people coming in. And

53:05

she's like, how do people have

53:07

time for anything? I watch that.

53:09

And my very first instinct was

53:11

like, sorry Donna that's life. And

53:13

then I caught myself and went,

53:15

yeah, but she's completely right. Like

53:17

if she was like, I'm in

53:19

medical debt because someone drunk drove

53:21

into me and we're like, well,

53:23

it happens. Yeah, no, this is

53:25

insane. If she shouldn't have to

53:27

do that. It's also, she is

53:30

unfortunately a woman online and if

53:32

she expresses any sort of quandry,

53:34

then. It's her fault and she's

53:36

like actually a bimbo. Maybe they

53:38

should not have a DII style.

53:40

And then actually like all these

53:42

negative things that are just being

53:44

projected on her because of like

53:46

internalized and externalized misogyny. Should we

53:48

pass? on the rest of this,

53:50

Dr. Phil, because it just makes

53:52

me mad. Well, I want to

53:54

see what the boomers say. Well,

53:56

there's like someone in hoopierings that

53:58

I want to hear from. Isn't

54:00

D-I-style people? Now hiring baby boomers

54:03

only, thanks. Done. So apparently they

54:05

had a... I'm here to stoke

54:07

divisiveness here across generation. So here

54:09

is a one-sided take that I'm

54:11

gonna make you all fight about.

54:13

But I don't have an opinion.

54:15

You go ahead and say it.

54:17

And I'm not a doctor, and

54:19

you should not look into my

54:21

history whatsoever. They had a problem

54:23

with... Yeah, I guess. But I

54:25

think they're being wasted showing up.

54:27

You can't assume that because a

54:29

few Genz people are, they're all

54:31

like that. And also, like, Loki,

54:33

that sounds illegal. Open discrimination and

54:36

bragging about it. I think Dollar

54:38

Tree agreed with you because they

54:40

did put up this statement. The

54:42

manager in question is no longer

54:44

employed. Oh, is that an own,

54:46

right? Like it's like, oh, like,

54:48

kind of what I was saying,

54:50

like, I get, I get it,

54:52

right? Like, they, their actions have

54:54

consequences, but it's hard for me

54:56

to be like, unless they're my

54:58

direct manager, at which case, if

55:00

they wrong me, then damn you,

55:02

but, but in the, but in

55:04

this situation, it's like, okay, so

55:06

they were misguided about. the root

55:09

of the problem, but it is,

55:11

they were just a manager who

55:13

was being crunched by this famously

55:15

understaffed thing. And so they just

55:17

had an outburst. And so they

55:19

were, they were punished. Like this

55:21

sounds like a dollar tree problem,

55:23

not a person problem. Or it's

55:25

a systemic problem at the police.

55:27

It's, it's, it's an issue of

55:29

like, okay, well, who, what sacrifice

55:31

is the company or the people

55:33

involved willing to make? What. Guy

55:35

Fawkes, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

55:37

uh, uh, uh, effigy, can we

55:39

burn, which satisfies them? What sacrifice

55:42

do you need? We'll stab a

55:44

goat? Oh no, okay, you want

55:46

this person fired? Okay, I'll... whether

55:48

or not that's reasonable, but we'll

55:50

do it for you and they

55:52

can, I don't know. To be

55:54

fair, something that is a little

55:56

bit of an epidemic, and I

55:58

think we've all been guilty of

56:00

it different times, especially online, is

56:02

a little bit of blood thirstiness

56:04

and a little bit of catharsis

56:06

that comes from, yes, that lady

56:08

that said the end word is

56:10

dead now. Oh, she should never

56:12

work again in this town. Like,

56:15

look, if it is a teacher

56:17

that like, there was like a

56:19

teacher that war, like, like, a

56:21

Native American headdress and she got

56:23

fired from the school and everyone

56:25

was like, yes, that's what you

56:27

need. I'm like, no one even

56:29

talked to. Yeah, you say there's

56:31

no point in your whole life

56:33

where you also thought that was

56:35

okay. Yeah, it does feel like

56:37

the bloodsport of like, we're in

56:39

the Coliseum and I've watched them

56:41

be be beheaded before my very

56:43

eyes. I'm here to celebrate. Huzzah!

56:45

They're not real. They're gladiators. It's

56:48

fine. Ah yes, the VP and

56:50

investor relations for Dollar Creek. Investor

56:52

Relations. Gool. Yeah, the VP of

56:54

Gool Incorporated. Necromancer, at Dollar Tree

56:56

Incorporated. All right, great dude. Congrats.

56:58

Randy Gully. Not saying that the

57:00

other person wasn't wrong, but you

57:02

know what I mean. It's like,

57:04

it's weird to root for the

57:06

like, the corporation won. Nothing was

57:08

fixed, but one of them was

57:10

killed? Yeah. Dollar Tree released a

57:12

statement that did not approve or

57:14

condone the sign. John's a professor

57:16

and he says his Gen Z

57:18

students are lazy, less motivated, only

57:21

interested in themselves, and need to

57:23

socialize more, that they're consumed by

57:25

their phones. You say if somebody's

57:27

up, give it a presentation or

57:29

whatever, not them, they don't even

57:31

pay attention to it. They seem

57:33

to want to focus on their

57:35

phones more than listening and learning.

57:37

You know who's focused on their

57:39

phones? My fucking barons! Yeah, because

57:41

the stuff on my phone is

57:43

funny, and you're boring and not

57:45

interesting. I get it. It's famously

57:47

been boring forever. I get it.

57:49

I do get it. As an

57:51

ADHD haver, I had to force

57:54

myself to sit in the front

57:56

row of like lectures because I

57:58

would just be on my laptop,

58:00

which I also had. It wasn't

58:02

even my phone. But it's like,

58:04

okay, well, we're kind of being

58:06

conditioned by our phones to be

58:08

on our phones all the time.

58:10

Exactly what I was gonna say.

58:12

Like, they're all Gen Z and

58:14

they're fucking phones. Everyone's all, all

58:16

the boomers are always like, oh,

58:18

you got to put down that

58:20

damn phone. We've had them since

58:22

we were babies. And we have

58:24

been conditioned to be addicted to

58:27

them. And all the bright colors

58:29

and all the sensory that's happening.

58:31

It's like an extra limb. Well,

58:33

and how many parents were like,

58:35

hey, baby, you're being annoying. Play

58:37

games on my phone. Don't call

58:39

me big. Play dual junk. And

58:41

shut up. I do. Was a

58:43

matter of day. Hey baby. Baby.

58:45

Play games on your phone. Me

58:47

to my wife. It was out

58:49

there. No, to be rude. You

58:51

guys just didn't have the fucking

58:53

literacy to do it. Like a

58:55

lot of these guys are like,

58:57

kids are always on their phone.

59:00

It's like, yeah, because you need

59:02

your nephew to show you how

59:04

to unlock it. But legit, boomers

59:06

are on their phones and iPads

59:08

all the time. Like, it's not

59:10

a generational thing. If my grandma's

59:12

stories were on her phone, then

59:14

she would be staring at that.

59:16

Yeah. She'd be gone. The thing

59:18

I wanted to say though, is

59:20

that like, when I was younger,

59:22

we weren't allowed to have our

59:24

phones out at school, but guess

59:26

what became a gigantic problem that

59:28

necessitated needing communication at all times

59:30

in the event of an emergency

59:33

at school? Yeah. You know what's

59:35

like, oh, okay, so yeah, what

59:37

happens when you don't have, like,

59:39

if I was a parent, I'd

59:41

my kids gonna have a phone?

59:43

Well also a lot of education

59:45

happens online now. And if I'm

59:47

not on my phone in class,

59:49

if you take my phone away,

59:51

I'm on my phone too much,

59:53

the teacher takes it away. in

59:55

the back. I'm talking to my

59:57

friends and said, I'm doodling on

59:59

a piece of paper. So I

1:00:01

have, I was a teacher for

1:00:03

a very, very brief time. You

1:00:06

had done your Barbie. You were

1:00:08

Barbie. You were Barbie. I told

1:00:10

Maxism at the Sanrio store. Yeah.

1:00:12

So me and Hello Kitty were

1:00:14

coworkers. We would take our smoke

1:00:16

breaks together. No, I was a

1:00:18

teacher for a very, very brief

1:00:20

time and the. thing that you

1:00:22

get taught as a teacher is

1:00:24

that there's no bad students there's

1:00:26

only bad teachers yeah because your

1:00:28

goal is to keep every kid

1:00:30

in that class engaged yeah and

1:00:32

And the bad teaching, it can

1:00:34

be a resource issue, but it

1:00:36

is, the result is the same.

1:00:39

It is an invasion job. I'm

1:00:41

not gonna say that's easy to

1:00:43

do. Information job and a performance

1:00:45

job. Like you have to, you

1:00:47

have to imagine every day, you

1:00:49

have to fucking perform in an

1:00:51

engaging way. It's an impossible task.

1:00:53

That is somehow in a world

1:00:55

where all labor is not equal.

1:00:57

Is position not just below doctor?

1:00:59

not just below any kind of

1:01:01

health. If you're a teacher you

1:01:03

should go be a successful performer.

1:01:05

It is the lowest thing. Being

1:01:07

a teacher is outside of various

1:01:09

levels of like trade work comfortably

1:01:12

considered in the US the lowest

1:01:14

trade you could have. But you

1:01:16

know who doesn't get taught how

1:01:18

to teach? University professors. Yeah. They

1:01:20

only get taught the subject matter.

1:01:22

Because I went to grad school.

1:01:24

No one taught me how to

1:01:26

teach. Like they just, you. Learn

1:01:28

the subject matter, that's it. Yeah.

1:01:30

And then they set you off

1:01:32

in front of a classroom, and

1:01:34

guess what? You're boring as shit.

1:01:36

And that is also, it's a

1:01:38

thing at a lot of institutions

1:01:40

that are research bases that faculty

1:01:42

is not always there to teach.

1:01:45

They're there to do research. And

1:01:47

so there's an adversarial relation. between

1:01:49

actually doing lecture and doing what

1:01:51

they really are there for, for

1:01:53

grant money and for furthering their

1:01:55

own individual resume of their body

1:01:57

of work. The lecture is like

1:01:59

a side thing. It's especially impossible

1:02:01

because we do not educate our

1:02:03

educators the way they should be

1:02:05

educated. And then they get blamed

1:02:07

also. And then they tend to

1:02:09

get educated. at the college level.

1:02:11

Most faculty now are adjunct faculty.

1:02:13

They don't get paid very well.

1:02:15

But then we give them limited

1:02:18

resources, then we give them low

1:02:20

pay. Like it's just, it's a

1:02:22

shitty system. It's the system's fault.

1:02:24

But it can't be, because you

1:02:26

can't do anything with that. That's

1:02:28

how it works. Yeah, that's the

1:02:30

crazy thing. It's like, no, but

1:02:32

wait, but isn't that the whole

1:02:34

point of all of it? Your

1:02:36

vibrators going on. What the hell?

1:02:38

One time I had my clippers

1:02:40

in that bathroom and I could

1:02:42

have sworn when I walked by,

1:02:44

like, Jordan had just flipped on

1:02:46

my clippers and started using them

1:02:48

and I was like, I don't

1:02:51

think that's what happened, but it

1:02:53

might have been. I stay strapped.

1:02:55

Yeah, our fellow loves to shave.

1:02:57

Well, actually, well, the reality is

1:02:59

that fellow. guest suppress doesn't shave

1:03:01

and then we're just like the

1:03:03

podcast is having a car. I

1:03:05

do want to say it's like

1:03:07

my final thoughts on like where

1:03:09

Genzi is right now because I

1:03:11

notice on the notes there was

1:03:13

like oh Genzi's growing up really

1:03:15

fast, Genzi is another one thing

1:03:17

that I have heard a lot

1:03:19

is like Genzi copes with humor

1:03:21

too much. And I feel like

1:03:24

that ties into like the growing

1:03:26

up too fast. It's like we

1:03:28

have had access to every horrible

1:03:30

thing on the planet ever since

1:03:32

we were babies Yeah, because we've

1:03:34

had access to the internet since

1:03:36

then and I think I think

1:03:38

it's like cope with What else?

1:03:40

Yeah We're like, well, we've been

1:03:42

desensitized to every tragedy at this

1:03:44

point. I lucked out by being

1:03:46

desensitized. Did, I, have ever talked

1:03:48

about how I was on Four

1:03:50

Chan when I was younger? Crazy

1:03:52

place. You and me on slash

1:03:54

B slash. Yeah, dude, fucking insane

1:03:57

place. Like the, the, um, I

1:03:59

think you saying softlocked was actually

1:04:01

like a really good way to

1:04:03

put it. Like we. Have the

1:04:05

world at our fingertips, but we

1:04:07

can't do anything with it at

1:04:09

this point and we and it's

1:04:11

reminding you that you get he

1:04:13

is everything and you can't have

1:04:15

it We all need to be

1:04:17

more empathetic Towards each other about

1:04:19

like what we're going through online

1:04:21

and off like I just think

1:04:23

that Especially looking at Gen Z

1:04:25

and how much Shit that young

1:04:27

people have had to go through

1:04:30

and thinking about the the fact

1:04:32

that older generations are like, suck

1:04:34

it up, walk it off, like

1:04:36

this horrible mentality that doesn't help

1:04:38

anything. And Gen Z and millennials

1:04:40

who kind of went through this

1:04:42

with Gen Z, need to keep

1:04:44

that energy because Gen Alpha is

1:04:46

about to start posting. Oh, they

1:04:48

have been. You know what I

1:04:50

mean? We've seen the Gen Z.

1:04:52

Gense is preemptively started going at

1:04:54

them to cut it like a

1:04:56

proxy wall. It is very fun.

1:04:58

It's like a little bit. They're

1:05:00

like, no, no, I'm the, what

1:05:03

is, it's like, uh, we were

1:05:05

just talking about this, like the

1:05:07

trauma Olympics, where they're like, no,

1:05:09

it was, they're trying to get

1:05:11

the word out, but it was

1:05:13

worse for them. Yeah, I was

1:05:15

holding a big lollipop as well.

1:05:17

They're barely, they're like, they're like,

1:05:19

like, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,

1:05:21

hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,

1:05:23

hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,

1:05:25

hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,

1:05:27

hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,

1:05:29

hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm,

1:05:31

hmm, h me being the youngest

1:05:33

kid in my family versus like

1:05:36

my nephew who's like the new

1:05:38

youngest kid in the family and

1:05:40

the shortest he'll go up to

1:05:42

me and be like did you

1:05:44

know that Pikachu is yellow and

1:05:46

I'll go I've known that since

1:05:48

before you were born and I

1:05:50

actually know his shiny is a

1:05:52

darker yellow and that's yeah but

1:05:54

name the type of yellow I

1:05:56

bet you Did you know that

1:05:58

zebras are actually black with white

1:06:00

stripes? And I go, yeah, I,

1:06:02

yeah, obviously I knew that. I,

1:06:04

obviously, I knew that. I, obviously,

1:06:06

when you're a fucking Zinko. Shut

1:06:09

up! My, my nephew started like

1:06:11

trying to turn into a super

1:06:13

sayan and I was like, who

1:06:15

taught you that? Where did you

1:06:17

learn that from? You're too young

1:06:19

to know what that is. There

1:06:21

is I think a genetic component

1:06:23

to being a black node. I

1:06:25

think Dragon Ball, you're like born

1:06:27

remembering the freezer saga? Yeah, right.

1:06:29

It's a genetic memory. Right. And

1:06:31

you know pickle was black in

1:06:33

your blood. Similar to Anisagia, I

1:06:35

think my closing thoughts are like,

1:06:37

every generation is gonna have like

1:06:39

a different way of reacting to

1:06:42

certain events or a different outlook

1:06:44

on life. Yeah, we're all forging

1:06:46

the fire. But if we can

1:06:48

all just like have a bit

1:06:50

more grace with each other and

1:06:52

like. how we've each grown up

1:06:54

and how the world was then

1:06:56

versus now, then we could like

1:06:58

understand that better. And also, Jen's

1:07:00

like, I saw when Jacob pulled

1:07:02

up that TikTok for just a

1:07:04

moment about the girl being like,

1:07:06

I have to travel to enough

1:07:08

hours every day. The top comment

1:07:10

was just welcome to the world.

1:07:12

It's like yeah, but the world

1:07:15

doesn't have to be that Yeah,

1:07:17

watching a problem doesn't yeah mean

1:07:19

all my family go conscription to

1:07:21

World War two and got exploded

1:07:23

Yeah, there's a wall. Yeah, and

1:07:25

I feel like Gen Z and

1:07:27

like some like most of millennials

1:07:29

are like trying to actively change

1:07:31

that and change the system and

1:07:33

try to make it not that

1:07:35

way But then everyone else that

1:07:37

like grew up when they could

1:07:39

afford a house was like that's

1:07:41

just how it works. have and

1:07:43

will always have the natural instinct

1:07:45

to lean back to the propaganda

1:07:48

I got as a kid. It's

1:07:50

there. My neurons are, the foundations

1:07:52

of them are, you work hard,

1:07:54

buy the house, you get, and

1:07:56

you don't bloody complaint. and stiff

1:07:58

up a lip, don't let me

1:08:00

moan about nothing. And like, even

1:08:02

now when I talk to my

1:08:04

family, I like feel myself, because

1:08:06

it's a proper Northern family, and

1:08:08

like they will just, I feel

1:08:10

like. All the member of my

1:08:12

family fell down the stairs and

1:08:14

broke two ribs, which is for

1:08:16

anyone, big deal. It's especially a

1:08:18

big deal when you're a little

1:08:21

older, and it could have, like,

1:08:23

had a longer impact, it might

1:08:25

not heal very well. And then

1:08:27

I come here, I come here

1:08:29

the other year. And they moved

1:08:31

out of the mail. Oh, okay.

1:08:33

That's the kind of welcome to

1:08:35

the world mindset. It's like, well,

1:08:37

that's how things happen. But if

1:08:39

you share that natural instinct, chances

1:08:41

are if you're listening to the

1:08:43

show, you're probably in support of

1:08:45

universal health care, right? Is it

1:08:47

unsolicited advice? Anytime you feel your

1:08:49

instinct brating against somebody else sharing

1:08:51

their trauma or complaining, default back

1:08:54

to the way. people talk about

1:08:56

healthcare, where your first instinct is

1:08:58

always, that's not fair, you should

1:09:00

work harder. How you always hear

1:09:02

that, especially from boomers. And pause

1:09:04

yourself and go, it is a

1:09:06

bummer that Gen X's would ride

1:09:08

on a metal slide with glass

1:09:10

on it and hit their head

1:09:12

and spit those stupid stories they

1:09:14

tell. That is a bummer. No,

1:09:16

it's not. being complete, like a

1:09:18

high percentage chance of being unhoused,

1:09:20

but a degree of empathy will

1:09:22

bring you peace because you're not

1:09:24

at war with someone you're like,

1:09:27

well, that you should have to

1:09:29

do X, Y, Z, it's like,

1:09:31

why, so I can be like

1:09:33

you, you fucking sad, SAC? Yeah,

1:09:35

you're so angry. Why would I

1:09:37

want that? So that I can

1:09:39

yell at someone else? Yeah. Jordan,

1:09:41

my way of stopping that train

1:09:43

of thought that you're talking about,

1:09:45

where I'm like, Have like a

1:09:47

little mantra of look at the

1:09:49

system not the individual the individual

1:09:51

is Probably in a system that

1:09:53

is making them act a certain

1:09:55

way right so that's why I

1:09:57

can't even though they're being an

1:10:00

asshole I can't like jump for

1:10:02

joy in the dollar tree manager

1:10:04

getting fired. You know what I

1:10:06

mean? So much more prefer that

1:10:08

they change their mind. That

1:10:10

would be the choice. I think a

1:10:12

lot of people wouldn't. A lot

1:10:14

of people would like the

1:10:17

blood. So now they're probably

1:10:19

going to get bitter about

1:10:21

Gen Z even more because

1:10:23

they're like, because Gen Z,

1:10:25

they're the ones who made

1:10:27

it go viral. Yeah. Jordan

1:10:29

in our meeting yesterday you'd mentioned the

1:10:32

new season of black mirror yes now

1:10:34

for people who know it's like if

1:10:36

what if your phone was mental what

1:10:39

if you're it was just like wacky

1:10:41

dude and also have you noticed we

1:10:43

live in a society looking at my

1:10:46

hands shaking it's like I I do

1:10:48

think that black mirror has had some

1:10:50

some heaters but it's also had some

1:10:52

beaters I yes it's here before I say

1:10:55

it before I say it again I don't

1:10:57

think there is a show that I

1:10:59

It's one of those things where I'm

1:11:01

just like, yeah, I watch every single,

1:11:03

I follow the same team and I

1:11:05

watch them every single season and I

1:11:08

watch them every single season and I

1:11:10

wear their jersey and I'm like, no,

1:11:12

I hate that team. I'm like, I

1:11:14

watch every single season of like Marry,

1:11:16

as soon as it comes out, I

1:11:18

binge watch it, I rewatch all episodes

1:11:21

and I complain about it constantly, but

1:11:23

there's no way to deny it's one

1:11:25

of my favorite shows, one of my

1:11:27

favorite shows, and then. Stinkers

1:11:30

that shouldn't be stinkers even even

1:11:32

if it's a cringe premise. It's

1:11:34

done so poorly doesn't make sense

1:11:36

like I was like beside myself

1:11:38

like I had started I was

1:11:40

like hanging out with a friend and

1:11:43

I'm like I'm sorry I

1:11:45

have to text Jordan my

1:11:47

thoughts really quick because um

1:11:49

yeah this would include some

1:11:51

spoilers for episodes one through

1:11:53

three but mainly episode one

1:11:55

of the new season of

1:11:57

black mirror called common people

1:11:59

which has the uh Unfortunately,

1:12:01

terminal diagnosis of being one of

1:12:03

those first episode of a season

1:12:05

of Black Mirror that is awful,

1:12:07

which they keep doing. That happens

1:12:09

all the time for some reason?

1:12:12

Yeah. This discussion includes a discussion

1:12:14

of like a family member passing

1:12:16

away and like questions of euthanasia

1:12:18

and stuff like that. But it

1:12:20

is, I will say, so absurd.

1:12:22

Do you need any context before

1:12:24

you read these? I actually know.

1:12:27

I think they they are the

1:12:29

this actually is a perfect experience

1:12:31

for watching it. Okay great. I

1:12:33

think it's this summarizes it. I'm

1:12:35

watching common people. It's fuck it's

1:12:37

fucking it pissing me off. It's

1:12:39

fucking pissing me off. This is

1:12:41

the stupid shit I've ever seen

1:12:44

in my life. Why are they

1:12:46

making Rashida Jones do this? I've

1:12:48

a big I have had a

1:12:50

crush on Rashida Jones for most

1:12:52

of my adult life. Nine minute

1:12:54

break. I am so mad. This

1:12:56

is so stupid. It's only getting

1:12:59

stupid. Wow, this is just comedy.

1:13:01

It doesn't even remotely succeed at

1:13:03

what it's trying to do. Now

1:13:05

introducing a Rivermind fent. Oh my

1:13:07

god, the parkor thing? I'm going

1:13:09

to lose my mind. This episode

1:13:11

is, what if Netflix was your

1:13:14

brain? No, it is not. That

1:13:16

one is... The worst episodes of

1:13:18

Black Mirror. are typically where none

1:13:20

of the law is in the,

1:13:22

there's no background gags with a

1:13:24

better word for them. There's no

1:13:26

like, oh, you know, one of

1:13:29

my favorite episodes, everybody hated it

1:13:31

at the time, because people are

1:13:33

stupid and I'm smart, but an

1:13:35

entire history of you, it's the

1:13:37

third season of, the episode of

1:13:39

the first season, and it came

1:13:41

after two kind of more bombastic

1:13:44

episodes that I've ever seen with

1:13:46

a pig and I'm on. Oh,

1:13:48

yeah. Ex Factor, but it's mental

1:13:50

what if your phone was a

1:13:52

TV. No, there's that bombast missing

1:13:54

the third one, but it's all

1:13:56

about, you know, everyone has a

1:13:59

chip in there. you record everything

1:14:01

you see. And one of the

1:14:03

teeny little details of that episode

1:14:05

is that part of the reason

1:14:07

this guy's kind of crashing out

1:14:09

is because his career is falling

1:14:11

apart because he is a lawyer

1:14:14

and they don't matter anymore because

1:14:16

everyone records everything they see. I

1:14:18

didn't notice he was a lawyer

1:14:20

till the third time I watched

1:14:22

it because the world building serves

1:14:24

the story as opposed to the

1:14:26

exact opposite which is these every

1:14:29

episode that's like... What if you

1:14:31

got a like every time you

1:14:33

went to the toilet? It just

1:14:35

feels like... Okay, I think that

1:14:37

when Blackmear succeeds, it is like

1:14:39

thought-provoking in some sort of novel

1:14:41

way. Sticks with you. And sticks

1:14:43

with you, and that is increasingly

1:14:46

difficult as the landscape of technology

1:14:48

in our lives has changed. And

1:14:50

it runs this cautionary tale risk

1:14:52

of like... when the technology catches

1:14:54

up to some of the premises,

1:14:56

it, they can start to like

1:14:58

lose their sheen a little bit.

1:15:01

Yeah, because we know the results.

1:15:03

Because we know the results. And

1:15:05

one weird thing about the later

1:15:07

scenes of Blackmira is that they're

1:15:09

no longer trying to project forward.

1:15:11

into the dark spiral of technology

1:15:13

becoming more deeply ingrained into our

1:15:16

lives. It's almost like a commentary

1:15:18

on the current moment. Yeah, it

1:15:20

should be called bad phone. And

1:15:22

then when it reveals, it reveals

1:15:24

that it knows less about the

1:15:26

thing that it's talking about than

1:15:28

I do, or then even the

1:15:31

average viewer might. It speaks volumes

1:15:33

that the prohibitive amount of money

1:15:35

for the dilemma that the couple

1:15:37

in the first episode bump into.

1:15:39

is the amount of money that

1:15:41

rich writers think poor people have.

1:15:43

Okay, okay, okay, okay, so I'm

1:15:46

just gonna, I'm just gonna full,

1:15:48

full stop spoil this episode. It's

1:15:50

called common people. It should be

1:15:52

called, what if Netflix was put

1:15:54

in your head? Yeah, no. is

1:15:56

literally, it's, it feels like a

1:15:58

fucking comedies. It's like an S&L

1:16:01

sketch. Yes, it is a parody.

1:16:03

It like has beats that are

1:16:05

comedy but are not played for

1:16:07

comedy. So I'm like, what the

1:16:09

fuck is going on? And it

1:16:11

does too, very prolific comedic actors.

1:16:13

Chris O'Dowd from the crowd. And

1:16:16

there, they're a couple that, uh,

1:16:18

there. a little poor you know

1:16:20

what I mean like they live

1:16:22

a normal life but they're the

1:16:24

best times they have are going

1:16:26

to the restaurant and eating a

1:16:28

burger there are normal couple that

1:16:31

like while the writers room is

1:16:33

like what are we getting from

1:16:35

Sweet Green and like that you

1:16:37

know ordering the thing like there

1:16:39

are normal couple that I don't

1:16:41

know owns a house if they

1:16:43

actually like live in a beautiful

1:16:45

home and they drive like a

1:16:48

1976 Volvo adds up and and

1:16:50

and they're like a little dirty

1:16:52

looking I feel like they're like

1:16:54

I feel like they make them

1:16:56

look more disheveled they're just bojo

1:16:58

like cool the sheet yeah so

1:17:00

then and Rashid is a teacher

1:17:03

so they're like okay what kind

1:17:05

of jobs don't make money okay

1:17:07

teachers what are we go what

1:17:09

do we go and then and

1:17:11

then what does Chris O'Dow do

1:17:13

he works at the the manual

1:17:15

labor It works at the moving

1:17:18

boxes and metal around. Literally it's

1:17:20

like making things spark with a

1:17:22

tool. Every time you see his

1:17:24

work, it's like one guy welding

1:17:26

at another going like, hmm, how

1:17:28

many wood do we need? And

1:17:30

then 12 guys standing a fucking

1:17:33

round. So where does it start

1:17:35

pissing me off? Okay, so title

1:17:37

sequence. Yeah, yeah. So then, so

1:17:39

Rashida is a teacher and she,

1:17:41

while doing her teaching. Oh, before,

1:17:43

before doing her teaching, we get

1:17:45

a little bit of a reveal,

1:17:48

which. It almost doesn't feel like

1:17:50

it even needs to be a

1:17:52

part of the episode, but fortunately

1:17:54

for us it is. Because you

1:17:56

thought it was too short. One

1:17:58

of the, one of Chris. So

1:18:00

doubts Mike is his character's name.

1:18:03

One of Mike's co-workers is a

1:18:05

sociopath and he's fucking around on

1:18:07

the job. He's not carrying a

1:18:09

box with some metal. By the

1:18:11

way, uh, Chris had out's character,

1:18:13

Mike, who works at the Mid-Ho

1:18:15

Labor Factory, has a job that

1:18:18

is the embodiment of the meme,

1:18:20

name a job harder than this.

1:18:22

And it's the people working at

1:18:24

the oil refinery. Refinery. Like, literally,

1:18:26

he needs to be doing on

1:18:28

and good honest work. And then

1:18:30

the fucking Hollywood elitist, like, what

1:18:32

is... We're on season seven of

1:18:35

this. Who's the dude who writes

1:18:37

all the episode? He's like a

1:18:39

great guy talent. He is a

1:18:41

well off British guy that recently

1:18:43

knows that Cameron Fuck Pigs is

1:18:45

because he went to Oxford Cambridge

1:18:47

kind of environment. You know, it's

1:18:50

not his fault, but he's old

1:18:52

money. So well, that's, it's like

1:18:54

just out of touch, right? But

1:18:56

like what blew my mind is

1:18:58

that he wrote other episodes that

1:19:00

weren't as bad as this. And

1:19:02

so I'm like, what did you,

1:19:05

were you fucking? Okay. It makes

1:19:07

you wonder what the actual. Because

1:19:09

it's a writer's room. One of

1:19:11

the issues. No, that doesn't happen

1:19:13

anymore. He's writing it all himself.

1:19:15

Like I think the way. Two

1:19:17

or three, I guess with Beech-K-L-E,

1:19:20

I'm not sure. So I think

1:19:22

the way a lot of shows

1:19:24

are working now, they have essentially

1:19:26

one writer. And if that writer

1:19:28

requests a mini room where the

1:19:30

mini room just pitches that might

1:19:32

be. Yeah. Like. For the most

1:19:35

part, like, for example, Last of

1:19:37

Us is written by Craig Mason,

1:19:39

that's it. You know, and he

1:19:41

claims he doesn't have any help,

1:19:43

who knows if that's actually true,

1:19:45

but like... He has Neil Drugman

1:19:47

running around to me, like, whatever,

1:19:50

the mushroom was different. Yeah. Okay,

1:19:52

so anyway, I just, I was

1:19:54

like beside myself during a lot

1:19:56

of this, so... The episode is

1:19:58

blissfully, great news, very long. It's

1:20:00

so long. So anyway, they needed

1:20:02

to have to have this part

1:20:05

where there's a sociopath who works.

1:20:07

the working factory. And he kills

1:20:09

time by watching twitch. TV. No,

1:20:11

just kidding. By watching Tik Tak

1:20:13

Live. No, just kidding. It's a

1:20:15

website called. Now, I'm gonna now

1:20:17

step aside to say, we've experienced

1:20:20

a long line of fake companies

1:20:22

in our time. This one is

1:20:24

the most on-the-nosedly called. dumb dummies.

1:20:26

It's where people go to torture

1:20:28

themselves for content but for a

1:20:30

to make a pittance of cash.

1:20:32

It is it makes you wonder

1:20:34

whether the incredibly small amount of

1:20:37

money is a misunderstanding of the

1:20:39

economy or if it's just a

1:20:41

misunderstanding of the media landscape. It's

1:20:43

like, I'm not saying that Twitter

1:20:45

streamers are, or all Twitterers are

1:20:47

swimming in cash, because it is

1:20:49

one of those situations where it's

1:20:52

like, if you're the crim de

1:20:54

la crim, but we know a

1:20:56

lot of people who are like,

1:20:58

you know, trying to cross over

1:21:00

into doing it full time. But

1:21:02

none of them are drinking piss

1:21:04

for $20 dollars. One time use

1:21:07

only. I mean, one of the

1:21:09

problems also, this is one of

1:21:11

those, um... It's a it's a

1:21:13

contemporary black mirror episode where it's

1:21:15

sure they're fudging the timeline a

1:21:17

little bit But it's modern. So

1:21:19

it's not like you know, they're

1:21:22

not driving We had fancy smooth

1:21:24

car or a hover car. There's

1:21:26

nothing to extrapolate from it It

1:21:28

the show is telling us this

1:21:30

is normal reality, but there's Robobies

1:21:32

and outside of that it's just

1:21:34

it's distracting because we live now.

1:21:37

We that's like we live in

1:21:39

this time this could have this

1:21:41

by spending I don't know 60

1:21:43

minutes watching streamers you would get

1:21:45

a better sense of like you

1:21:47

could have fleshed that out in

1:21:49

a more meaningful way so that's

1:21:52

what we had I should point

1:21:54

out to Charlie broker for a

1:21:56

really long time. He's been a

1:21:58

bit advocate of technology in a

1:22:00

relatively positive way and is a

1:22:02

huge fan of video games. He's

1:22:04

sort of a show called Screen

1:22:07

Wipe and some like associated shows

1:22:09

where every year he'd talk about

1:22:11

the media of the year. Funny

1:22:13

guy, he'd present it directly. And

1:22:15

he was insightful and like pretty

1:22:17

foundational in like a new... what

1:22:19

I think has become the modern

1:22:22

style of kind of fun kind

1:22:24

of snarky but like artistic review

1:22:26

stuff this is like the in

1:22:28

the 2000s so just no it's

1:22:30

I guess he just aged out

1:22:32

dude I don't I want to

1:22:34

I want to be nice again

1:22:36

no I I'm like gonna say

1:22:39

that like you take a lot

1:22:41

of shots you're gonna have some

1:22:43

misses for sure and so I'm

1:22:45

not trying to make this an

1:22:47

indictment on him or his talent

1:22:49

because clearly he's very talented however

1:22:51

The dumb dummy shit is dumb

1:22:54

as hell. It's a website where

1:22:56

anybody can sign up and they

1:22:58

immediately have an audience. Un realistic.

1:23:00

If you have an audience and

1:23:02

a chat moving like that, you're

1:23:04

making more than $20. There's a

1:23:06

total at the top of the

1:23:09

screen. The guy's already written douche

1:23:11

bag on his chest and is

1:23:13

ringing this. Yeah, and the things

1:23:15

that people do, and this is

1:23:17

trigger warning for like body horror.

1:23:19

That's not real, but it'll be

1:23:21

like pull out a tooth. For

1:23:24

like a dollar and we should

1:23:26

point out the so Rachita Jones

1:23:28

requires a surgery so I just

1:23:30

wanted to set the stage for

1:23:32

the dumb dummy thing but then

1:23:34

so cut back to Rachita Jones

1:23:36

teaching class and she drops dead

1:23:39

basically she does a comical collapse

1:23:41

she in a wide shot in

1:23:43

and it's like they we never

1:23:45

get a Here's where this came

1:23:47

from. It's just, oh, surprise. Rashida

1:23:49

Jones died, but it's because she

1:23:51

had like a brain issue. She

1:23:54

falls over the same way you

1:23:56

would if a grand piano landed

1:23:58

on your head in a cartoon.

1:24:00

She was like, yeah. And then

1:24:02

here comes the whole episode. Look

1:24:04

out. Here comes the plot. They,

1:24:06

there's. an experimental, like they're talking

1:24:09

to a doctor, and Mike is

1:24:11

like, is there anything we can

1:24:13

do? And she's like, well, if

1:24:15

you, that scene right there, that's

1:24:17

the doctor, Chris O'Dowd, is the

1:24:19

shoulder. And he goes, is there

1:24:21

anything you can? He's in dark

1:24:24

hallway. She goes, she goes, yeah,

1:24:26

it's a dark, it's the least

1:24:28

lit hospital in the world. It's

1:24:30

dark because this, this scene is

1:24:32

sad. Yeah, they never turn the

1:24:34

lights on in their house. And

1:24:36

then she goes, she goes, well,

1:24:38

if you'd asked me a week

1:24:41

ago, there wouldn't be, and then

1:24:43

stay where Tracy Ellis Ross is

1:24:45

right there. They say, well, if

1:24:47

you had asked me a week

1:24:49

ago, I wouldn't have had anything,

1:24:51

but there might be something we

1:24:53

can try. Enter Tracy Ellis Ross,

1:24:56

a. person who a year ago

1:24:58

had an experimental procedure but now

1:25:00

is the CEO or whatever, like

1:25:02

she is the salesperson such only

1:25:04

point person for this new experimental

1:25:06

biotech company called Rivermind where they

1:25:08

solve your brain injury by creating

1:25:11

a model of your brain, storing

1:25:13

it as a backup, and then

1:25:15

basically 3D printing that piece of

1:25:17

your brain or whatever. They have

1:25:19

like a... Handwave, wait, because technology

1:25:21

doesn't exist, so you always have

1:25:23

to be like, oh, yeah, and

1:25:26

we created this organic matter, that's

1:25:28

the breakthrough. And when they do

1:25:30

this, this is where, despite the

1:25:32

initial 10 minutes just being, like,

1:25:34

not very, literally just not interesting,

1:25:36

it's construction, and this dialogue is

1:25:38

not being that compelling. I, this

1:25:41

is where I'm like, okay. I

1:25:43

actually have no problem with this

1:25:45

concept. If there was a breakthrough

1:25:47

like this, a company would create

1:25:49

a product out of it. However,

1:25:51

however, where it starts to become

1:25:53

absurd, is. They do the surgery

1:25:56

and then she immediately wakes up

1:25:58

and they're like back to normal.

1:26:00

Except here's the thing, Rivermind is

1:26:02

a subscription plan. It's like your,

1:26:04

now your brain's Netflix, now your

1:26:06

brain's a subscription, you have to

1:26:08

pay so much. and they don't

1:26:11

even know going into it how

1:26:13

much is going to be a

1:26:15

month. Oh, actually, it's $300 a

1:26:17

month. Well, that's a lot. Surprise.

1:26:19

Yeah, $300 a month is a

1:26:21

lot. And then- This is a

1:26:23

good for a brain. It does

1:26:26

keep you alive. Health insurance doesn't

1:26:28

obviously cover this. And this thing

1:26:30

is so new, yet doctors are

1:26:32

like promoting it. And now, and

1:26:34

now, Rashida Jones has subscription brain.

1:26:36

And the way that they describe,

1:26:38

and this is where I got

1:26:40

mad at the TV, they describe

1:26:43

how it works, and they said

1:26:45

that they used the cloud to

1:26:47

replace the part of the brain.

1:26:49

And I said, they would never

1:26:51

do that. And then I said,

1:26:53

what happens if you go under

1:26:55

a tunnel, do you just fucking

1:26:58

die? You know what I mean?

1:27:00

And, uh, and so she has

1:27:02

subscription brain. And they, uh, and

1:27:04

she has, she has, these days,

1:27:06

she's, yeah, she has such a

1:27:08

brain. And then they're like, um,

1:27:10

we use cell towers, but they're

1:27:13

cell towers that we own, also

1:27:15

a thing that would not happen,

1:27:17

because you would not create, create

1:27:19

infrastructure, because the issue is, like,

1:27:21

just. There's no other like brain

1:27:23

death from it. She just goes

1:27:25

to super sleep. She goes to

1:27:28

super sleep. But then there starts

1:27:30

this series of The couple going

1:27:32

back to Tracy Ellis Ross and

1:27:34

expressing a new problem they have

1:27:36

with the product and every single

1:27:38

time like a fucking improv scene

1:27:40

escalating its comedy. There is a

1:27:43

new product that she's trying to

1:27:45

sell them and and and and

1:27:47

she the game is oh you

1:27:49

didn't know this important detail about

1:27:51

the thing that you 100% would

1:27:53

have found out if you were

1:27:55

signing up for something like this.

1:27:58

And with a little button the

1:28:00

button on every exchange is he

1:28:02

is a more insulting name. for

1:28:04

the old one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:28:06

So literally it's like, she like

1:28:08

goes into a new neighborhood and

1:28:10

doesn't have service and so she

1:28:13

fucking dies again. And then they

1:28:15

go, then they have, they back

1:28:17

up, they turn around, they take

1:28:19

a ewe, she's back. And then

1:28:21

they, oh, actually only one neighborhood

1:28:23

range. Your T-Mobile range is just

1:28:25

actually, you're fucking, uh, go-to-head-up, Burbank,

1:28:27

or whatever, yeah. We don't, that's

1:28:30

outside of our service area, but good

1:28:32

news, we just installed new towers that'll

1:28:34

support that, but you have to sign

1:28:37

up for Rivermine Plus. And then they

1:28:39

were like, Rivermine Plus? And she's like,

1:28:41

yeah, what you have is Rivermine common.

1:28:43

Which terminology wise. I get what they're

1:28:46

doing? Yeah, common would be

1:28:48

the internal name. But that

1:28:50

is not what something would

1:28:52

get published as. No, literally

1:28:54

it's like they basically, oh

1:28:56

no, you've got Rivermind broke

1:28:58

bitch. Yeah. And actually you've

1:29:00

got, and you need to

1:29:02

upgrade, and by the way,

1:29:04

it's an additional $800 a month.

1:29:06

And they're like, oh, we can't

1:29:08

afford that. And then... Which now

1:29:10

is in the realm of like

1:29:12

a financial issue. But the initial

1:29:15

$300 in the text, like in

1:29:17

the way that it is produced,

1:29:19

is it seems indistinguishable to

1:29:22

them. They're like, well,

1:29:24

they are struggling for

1:29:26

that $300, and then when they

1:29:28

raise this price and they get

1:29:31

it, they go, I'll just take

1:29:33

some overtime. They get it, and

1:29:35

now, um, the cycle continues.

1:29:37

What's the new problem? Rashida

1:29:40

Jones is doing ads. She starts

1:29:42

what if your brain did ads

1:29:44

because you like are on an

1:29:46

ad based subscription? What is the

1:29:49

message of that? Is the message

1:29:51

that Netflix has a lower tier

1:29:53

subscription where you pay for ads?

1:29:55

I think the message is what

1:29:58

if your brain did ads? And

1:30:00

guess why that would never happen?

1:30:02

No advertiser would pay for it.

1:30:04

When Rashida Jones is having sex

1:30:06

with their husband to go, are

1:30:08

you having trouble getting it up?

1:30:10

Try this ED medication. And then

1:30:13

she faces back in and is

1:30:15

like, what happened? And it's just,

1:30:17

it's they're pushing their luck constantly

1:30:19

because. Again, it's a contemporary story.

1:30:21