0:03

It looked like somebody was bent

0:06

over and had their head in the

0:08

window of the deer blind and it

0:11

either heard me or smelt me and he pulled

0:13

his head out of the tent and stood straight

0:15

up and that

0:18

shocked me. They

0:24

don't make people that big. The

0:31

way it moved almost

0:34

as if it was gliding across the beach. I've

0:38

never seen anything move like that in my life.

0:45

They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

0:49

It sounded like a language and they were

0:51

chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards,

0:53

back and forwards. I

0:57

know what a bear looks like and there is no way

0:59

on this planet that what I saw bears.

1:05

911, what are you

1:08

reporting? Jesus

1:12

Christ, you better turn,

1:14

see him. Hello?

1:17

Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? Do

1:20

you see him now? Yes, the

1:23

book of identity. Uh-oh. This is Brian

1:25

from Ohio.

1:31

O-H. Ohio! And

1:33

you're listening to... The best quadrant in the whole

1:36

universe. Sasquatch, Brian. Here we go. The best quadrant

1:38

in the whole universe. Sasquatch, Brian. Welcome

2:02

to the show

2:05

everyone. Thanks

2:28

for being here tonight. I had a great show planned

2:30

for you. We'll be chatting with

2:32

Ken. Ken comes to us

2:34

from Ohio. Back

2:36

in 2019, he was kind of

2:38

doing a last two raw with

2:41

the boys out there

2:43

camping. They had

2:45

an unexpected visitor. I kind of like Ken go

2:47

into it. If you've had

2:49

an encounter and you'd like to be on the

2:51

show, shoot me an email. My

2:53

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2:56

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2:58

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3:00

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3:05

I'll be back tomorrow night for the members. But

3:09

tonight, let's actually jump into it. I

3:11

want to welcome Ken to the show. Ken,

3:14

thanks for coming on. Thank

3:17

you, Wes, for having me. It's a pleasure. Now

3:20

you have this encounter back in 2019 in Ohio.

3:25

If you would, Ken, just kind of start

3:27

from the beginning. What were you doing and

3:30

what happened? So

3:32

to kind of trace back to the time, so

3:35

there's four of us, fresh out

3:37

of college, undergraduate students,

3:40

pretty much just graduated back in May of

3:42

that 2019 year. We

3:46

were all excited to just enjoy

3:48

the summer before we had real

3:50

jobs. So we

3:52

all decided to plan a camping

3:54

trip. For us,

3:57

the best location was Cuyahoga

3:59

Valley National. Park. Really

4:01

that was about 30-35 minutes from Cleveland where

4:03

we were going to school. So

4:06

that made the most sense for us. So

4:08

this happened right around July

4:11

or August of that

4:13

summer. I can't exactly remember the

4:15

exact date when it happened but

4:17

it was right around that time. So

4:20

we went there and we sat

4:22

our camp up. Everything was going

4:24

great. The vibes were

4:26

awesome. We were just drinking beers, just

4:28

being guys, young guys. All

4:31

of a sudden one of

4:33

the guys said, hey, what's

4:35

going on? And

4:38

I was like, the park's closed. They said, we

4:40

probably shouldn't be out there hiking. You

4:42

never know what's going to happen. If

4:44

a park ranger is going to catch

4:47

us or whatever, there could be any

4:49

animal in there. You don't know.

4:51

There could be a predator. But as

4:54

we started drinking more, our

4:57

bravery and our liquid courage

4:59

came into fruition. So

5:02

we were parked probably, I'd say,

5:06

a mile and a half from this trail and

5:09

we all decided to start

5:12

walking there. So we were

5:14

camped probably, let

5:16

me see, from the river, I'd

5:19

say two

5:21

miles and from the path, maybe another

5:23

mile and a half. So the river

5:25

was quite a bit away. So

5:28

we started walking there and everything was

5:31

good. It wasn't fully dark out yet, but

5:35

the darkness of the night was starting to set in. It was

5:38

right around dusk time. So we were hiking

5:41

and we were about 30 minutes then to

5:43

this

5:46

hike and things started to get

5:48

a little eerie. We started

5:50

hearing branches, hearing

5:52

things moving around. When

5:54

you got a little bit of alcohol in you, you might

5:56

think, oh, it's just my mind playing with me. You're

5:59

not all there coherently. We

6:02

keep walking down this trail and

6:05

we start getting stuff thrown

6:07

at us. At

6:09

first it's not much. We

6:11

got a couple sticks here and there

6:14

thrown behind us. We're thinking

6:16

maybe it's just an animal or

6:18

something small, but we

6:21

started taking a little bit more serious when things

6:23

started getting worse. We started getting

6:25

a little bit of rocks thrown at us.

6:28

The rocks weren't huge, but

6:30

they're stuff that came from the river like small

6:32

pebbles and stuff. They didn't hit any of us,

6:35

but they hit behind us. So you could tell

6:37

there was something messing with us. All of

6:40

us are talking. We're like, somebody's playing a prank on

6:42

us. We thought somebody's

6:44

pranking us, maybe teens, because it was

6:46

the summer time so teenagers go out

6:48

there, hang out and stuff. So you don't

6:50

know who's out there. It's after dark and

6:52

you don't know what's going on. But

6:55

as time went on, we went

6:58

down the trail. We were

7:00

starting to get a little nervous. So

7:02

all of a

7:05

sudden, as we were walking, we

7:07

started smelling something and it didn't

7:09

smell good. It had

7:12

this pungent smell to it, almost like

7:14

rotten eggs, like sewage.

7:17

So me, I'm thinking, maybe it's just

7:19

something in the water. We're

7:22

around a swamp, so that could attribute to it.

7:25

But

7:29

my other buddy was walking

7:31

and he's like, something

7:33

doesn't feel right. There feels like there's something

7:35

in the woods here watching us, like a

7:38

predator or something. The woods just

7:40

didn't feel right. You know how you feel

7:42

that way? You just feel like

7:44

something's off. So we

7:46

all felt that same way. So

7:49

really, none of us had any flashlights on us

7:51

except our phones. So we

7:54

all decided to turn our phones on

7:56

and use that light to guide us. So, you

7:59

know, You know, it just

8:01

didn't feel right. We were walking, you

8:03

know, there's no other light around, no

8:06

ambient light whatsoever. You know,

8:08

you're scared. You feel like you're on the set of

8:10

Blair Witch or something back there. I mean, these woods,

8:13

you feel creepy. You know, it just doesn't

8:15

feel right. And

8:18

we all kind of scared ourselves. We psyched

8:20

ourselves out. So we started running. And

8:24

we're like, you know, what the hell is going on

8:26

here? You know, we

8:29

got to figure this out. We got to get out of here. And

8:32

all of a sudden, you know, we hear stuff behind

8:34

us. We

8:36

feel like somebody's chasing us. We hear stuff in the

8:38

woods around us. And

8:41

then we're running probably, I can't remember if it's

8:43

like two minutes. We're all running for two

8:45

minutes straight back to camp. You just get the

8:47

hell out of these woods. And

8:51

we all stop to catch our breath. And like,

8:53

guys, you know, catch your breath, get

8:56

it together, and just give it

8:58

a moment. And

9:00

it was probably not even 45 seconds

9:03

later that we were all

9:05

standing there and we heard this loud.

9:08

It was almost like a... I couldn't even

9:10

describe it. It's almost like

9:12

a combination of a bear, like an angry

9:14

bear, or like

9:16

a pack of wolves rallying at you. I

9:19

mean, I can't even explain it, but it was

9:21

just... Once you hear it, you just don't

9:23

forget it. So we

9:25

heard that. And that didn't last maybe longer

9:27

than five seconds. And

9:30

after that, you know, we were just

9:32

stone cold frozen. None of us could

9:34

move. We couldn't think. We

9:37

were just trying to process what happened. We're like,

9:39

what in the heck just happened? So,

9:42

you know, we're looking around. I'm looking

9:44

at my other buddy next

9:46

to me. And I know he had a gun

9:48

on him. And I'm like, hey, you know, get

9:50

that out. We don't know what's going on. So

9:53

he ended up shining it. I was saying

9:55

it was a Beretta 9 millimeter. He ended

9:57

up shining it into the tree line. And

10:01

we saw something we never

10:03

wanted to see ever

10:06

again. I

10:08

don't even know what kind of hue

10:11

make a compare to this. This

10:13

thing had to be at

10:15

least seven, seven and a

10:18

half feet tall, like

10:20

Andre the Giant size. I mean,

10:22

I'm close to six foot, you know,

10:24

240 pounds. And

10:27

I'm looking at this thing and it's at

10:29

least another foot and a half taller than I

10:31

am now, at least, you know, two of

10:33

me wide. This thing had

10:35

it been, you know, five, 550 pounds, just

10:39

outrageously big. And

10:41

we're all just standing there, you know,

10:44

we couldn't move, we're like stones, like we're just

10:46

shocked. We

10:48

don't know what to do. And

10:50

as soon as that light hit that thing,

10:54

you saw a little glare of the eyes, not quite like

10:58

a deer, but you saw a little glare of

11:00

the eyes, like yellowish glare. And

11:02

as soon as the light hit it, it

11:05

moved right behind this giant oak tree it

11:07

was standing by. And

11:10

he was, you know, pointing the light around that

11:12

area and it seemed

11:14

like it vanished. It wasn't there ever. It

11:16

just disappeared out of thin air. Whatever

11:21

it was, didn't want to be seen, but whatever it

11:23

was, wanted to let us know we shouldn't have been

11:25

there. Almost

11:27

like it was watching out for the area, kind

11:30

of like, you know, an overspier, overwatch type thing.

11:34

So after this, we're like, we

11:37

got to get the hell out of here. So

11:39

we immediately we ran back, you know, gathered our

11:41

breath, ran it back fast as fast as we

11:43

could back to camp. You

11:45

know, we're just sheer terror at this point.

11:48

My one buddy, I won't

11:50

mention his name, but he peed in

11:53

his pants. He was so scared. We

11:56

got back to our tents. And

11:59

I just remember. getting back and just trying

12:01

to unzip it as quick as I could. And I

12:04

was fumbling with my hands. My hands were,

12:06

you know, I couldn't

12:08

even open the tent. So

12:11

my other buddy had to open it for us, but

12:14

we had two tents set up at this camp

12:17

and they were parallel from each other. And we

12:19

had this fire pit right in the middle. And

12:22

the fire was still burning from earlier. So

12:25

you could smell it, you know, and everything. Fire

12:28

wasn't too big. So we're just, you know, we just

12:31

got to get in our tents, you know, leave the

12:33

fire. Be so

12:35

as we're, you know, running

12:37

into our sleeping bags, like just

12:40

getting our sleeping bag, like just forget this

12:42

happened. This thing's not going to mess with

12:44

us anymore. We're young, dumb and stupid. We're

12:46

like, oh, this, you know, we're not in

12:48

danger whatsoever. Even though this

12:50

thing just presented itself to us, it could

12:52

tear us all in from limb. But,

12:55

you know, as the night goes on, I'd say

12:57

this is probably the occurrence happened around 10 30.

13:02

And as the night progressed, I'd

13:05

say from 12, maybe

13:07

the two 30 in the morning, you hear

13:10

all types of things off and on you

13:13

hear, you know, hear our stuff outside. We

13:15

had a couple pots and pans. We heard

13:17

those like something was, you know, coming up

13:19

to it and knocking it

13:21

over. We had a bunch of

13:23

eating utensils out on the table. Those

13:26

were knocked over. We

13:28

had the fire going. The fire

13:30

was extinguished. I don't know how

13:32

this happened. And like I

13:35

said, there was all kinds of stuff overnight

13:37

that we heard. I, I

13:39

was just, you know, shaking in my

13:41

bag. I didn't know what

13:44

to do at that point. I just felt helpless.

13:46

You know, you feel defenseless. You just like, you know,

13:48

you're just, just stay in one place. I

13:51

was, you know, at that point, I was just like, whatever

13:53

happens to me happens to me. If I die, I die.

13:55

At least I die with my friends. So

13:58

at that point, you know, we made it through. the

14:00

night somehow. And

14:03

in the morning, we woke up, we

14:05

were all nervous to open our tents because we didn't

14:07

know what we were going to open it to. But

14:10

we opened our tents. And

14:12

to our surprise, our

14:15

camp had been destroyed.

14:17

All our eating utensils were on the

14:19

ground. There were sticks

14:21

thrown everywhere. The logs

14:23

that had been in the fire were strewn

14:25

apart. We had

14:28

multiple things. One of our buddies had a

14:31

backpack and it had multiple things

14:33

in it, all kinds of stuff, like survival

14:35

gear and all that. It was

14:37

open, ripped open, and stuff

14:39

was just thrown all over the

14:42

campsite. It opened it up and just

14:44

threw it everywhere. So

14:46

we're like, what the heck? This

14:48

is insane. We didn't know

14:50

the process. And we're still in a shock

14:52

from what happened the previous night. And

14:55

like I said previously,

14:58

we had found a pile

15:00

of stones right next to

15:02

the fire pit. These weren't

15:05

just any stones. These were like

15:07

boulder sized rocks. Somebody would have

15:09

had to pick these up.

15:11

I mean, maybe one or two people even pick these

15:14

rocks. I mean, they were heavy rocks and

15:16

put these neatly in perfectly right next

15:18

to the fire. There's probably five or

15:21

six of them piled up and there

15:23

was two piles of them. And

15:26

we were looking at this thing and we're

15:28

just in a shock. What could

15:30

have done this? What could have piled

15:32

this up? There's no way a bear could have done this. I

15:36

know bears are pretty smart. They go through

15:38

stuff. They go through trash. But

15:40

I don't think a bear had the mental

15:42

capacity to figure this one out, stack these

15:44

up perfectly like this. So

15:48

we're all talking to each other. We're like, we're

15:51

never going to come back here again. We just

15:55

had bad luck. Whatever. to

16:00

us didn't want us to be here. It just

16:03

didn't feel like a welcome feeling. So

16:07

looking back on it in 2024, I'm like,

16:09

I can't believe that happened. I can't believe

16:11

I saw in flash and

16:13

blood what I believe to be bigfoot,

16:16

saw-scratch. I just can't

16:19

fathom that this happened

16:21

to me and four of my friends. And

16:24

ever since then, it affects

16:26

you mentally. I haven't

16:29

wanted to talk to anybody about it.

16:31

I think it's crazy that this happened

16:33

to me. And I think other people think

16:36

I'm crazy. But as I listen

16:38

to this podcast, I've

16:40

had the courage to come out and speak on it. Because

16:42

I hear more and more about

16:44

this same area. And I've heard

16:47

a couple podcast episodes recently regarding

16:49

the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. And

16:52

it wasn't explicitly stated it was where this was, but

16:54

I know in Ohio, there's only one national park. It's

16:56

this one. So I might as

16:58

well come out and share my experience. Give

17:01

the listeners something they want to hear feed into

17:03

this stuff going on around

17:05

this area. But ever

17:07

since that time, I've

17:10

processed this differently. I've just

17:12

shut this out. My

17:14

three other friends, one of

17:16

them lives up in Wisconsin, up near the

17:19

Upper Peninsula, Michigan, that area there. He's

17:21

studying anthropology right now. So he's actually, this

17:23

has taken such an interest in him that

17:26

he decided to take this on instead of

17:28

this. My other

17:30

friend moved down to Dayton. I

17:32

don't hear from him anymore, really.

17:34

He's into some narcotics and

17:37

stuff like that to cope with things. And

17:39

then our other friend refuses to even

17:41

talk about this whatsoever. He

17:45

just wants to think it

17:47

was some anomaly.

17:49

And at the time, I don't know

17:51

what he... He thinks

17:53

he was on some stuff to this day. He

17:55

says that he was smoking

17:57

some marijuana. saw.

18:00

That's what he wants to believe. With

18:03

the three other of us, we know what

18:05

we saw and we're

18:08

wholeheartedly believers in this

18:11

being. Yeah, I

18:13

always love when critics bring up that argument.

18:15

You know, you can smoke all the weed

18:18

you want, you can drink all you want,

18:20

you're not going to have delusions of

18:22

seeing giants, wrong chemical.

18:25

But you know, I wanted

18:27

to ask you about the rocks. You know,

18:29

and I know that you don't know, and

18:31

I don't know, but what's your opinion on

18:33

why? Why would it stack up all those

18:35

rocks by the fire? I honestly,

18:38

I think that it put stones there

18:41

to remind us what

18:43

we saw in that this thing

18:46

wanted us to know that, you

18:49

know, it spared us, it

18:51

didn't do anything to us, but it spared us and

18:54

wanted to let us know that we shouldn't have

18:56

been out in the park past eight o'clock. And

18:59

we should have listened to our, we should have

19:01

all listened to ourselves and not done this and

19:04

went out, explored like this when the park

19:06

closed down. But I still

19:08

think to this day that it

19:10

put those stones

19:12

up for a reason. And it did that,

19:15

because it wanted us to know that it was there,

19:17

it was watching us. It

19:20

had the capacity to kill us, but

19:22

it didn't, it chose not to, which

19:25

to me, in my mind, I

19:28

see the Bigfoot Sasquatch, and whatever you want

19:31

to call it, I see it as more

19:33

of a spiritual being something supernatural.

19:36

I think there's many

19:38

species of it. If you want to ask

19:40

me to be honest, I think there's several

19:42

species of Sasquatch. I think there's good

19:45

ones, I think there's bad ones, but I

19:47

think this one was one of the good ones. I

19:49

think what it was doing to us on that trail

19:51

was playing with us, kind of toying with us, you

19:54

know, hey, you know, don't

19:57

mess with me, but I want you to know I'm here

19:59

and I want you to know I'm here. you know what you're doing isn't right.

20:02

I gotcha. Kind of like a calling card, kind of

20:04

like I was here. Um,

20:07

you know, I've heard this behavior before and I want

20:09

to, I'll share with you my opinion on what I

20:11

think it was doing with those rocks,

20:14

uh, and I'll come back to that in a moment, but when

20:17

it was kind of rummaging around through camp,

20:19

did it vocalize at all? You

20:23

know, thinking back on it,

20:25

I, when I did hear, I did hear,

20:28

um, some footsteps.

20:30

Outside, but you know, being

20:32

in the woods, you know, it could be

20:34

anything. It could be, you

20:36

know, coyotes. Um, I heard

20:38

multiple things through the night. And at that

20:40

point when I was sleeping in the tent, you know,

20:42

I was out in and out of sleep. So

20:45

I'm like, you know, is it just my

20:47

mind messing with me? What's going

20:49

on here? Um, but I did

20:51

hear some footsteps. I heard some

20:53

rustling of our tent itself. Um,

20:56

and I did. Think

20:58

I saw a shadow come by the tent at

21:00

one point. Um, I couldn't

21:02

describe what the shadow was, but it was so

21:05

fast. The shadow went by it

21:07

very quickly. And I was,

21:09

you know, I, I was like, Oh my Lord. Like,

21:11

I didn't know if it was, you know, the trees

21:13

messing with me out because we were in a wooded

21:15

area. I didn't know if the trees going back because

21:17

there was wind, you know, granted this

21:19

is the summer time, you know, the weather's variable.

21:21

Luckily it didn't rain or anything, but there was

21:23

wind at that time going around. Um,

21:26

so I, like I said,

21:29

I heard some, a little bit of

21:31

rustling outside the tent, but I didn't

21:33

hear any growling outside the tent. I

21:35

didn't hear any, um,

21:37

you know, soft squash noises or sounds

21:39

like that. Thankfully we only

21:41

heard one. So, um,

21:43

yeah, that that's what I heard as

21:45

I slept. And

21:47

when you guys got up in the morning and you're

21:49

kind of examining the whole

21:52

campsite and what, what actually

21:54

happened, did you notice that it

21:56

had taken anything? So.

22:00

It's funny because our

22:02

one buddy, he's a vegan and

22:04

he brought a vegan meal

22:08

and he had a pot

22:10

of beans and

22:13

lentils. And this beans and

22:15

lentils was sitting by the fire

22:18

and he woke up and he's like, where's my,

22:20

you know, I had my pot of beans here.

22:23

I guess to him it was a nice pot

22:25

that he brought. It was a pretty nice pot

22:27

and set that he

22:29

brought. And that pot set in

22:32

the beans was nowhere to be found.

22:35

That was right by where the rocks were, right by

22:37

that fire pit. And that

22:39

was gone. And he was the same one

22:41

that actually brought that backpack with, you know, the survival gear

22:43

and all that stuff in it. All

22:46

his stuff was thrown, you know, all around the

22:48

campsite. But it did take

22:50

that pot of beans. It took that. You

22:53

know, Ken, in a lot of encounters

22:55

when people have these things on their

22:58

property, you'll hear about them

23:00

having like a gifting stump where

23:03

they'll gift something to Sasquatch and

23:05

Sasquatch will leave something back. I

23:07

think they're leaving a tribute, but

23:10

I don't want to get caught up in

23:12

this moment with the minutia of labels. But

23:14

you often hear of them taking something,

23:16

but also leaving you

23:19

something. And it makes me wonder

23:21

if it took the beans

23:23

and left that stack of rocks

23:26

as kind of an exchange or kind of

23:29

like a deal back and forth as opposed

23:31

to kind of what you were thinking earlier

23:33

as far as, you know, this

23:35

thing wanted to let you know it was there. I

23:38

almost wonder if it was like an exchange or

23:40

something like that. What are your thoughts? I

23:43

didn't think of it that way. I

23:46

actually I think that's a good

23:48

explanation for that. I mean, very

23:51

well could have in

23:53

its mind thought that it was

23:55

more of a trade. It was trading these

23:58

rocks in nature. for

24:00

this pot of beans. That very well could be

24:02

true. It made

24:04

me wonder, when you were talking about your

24:07

campsites already trashed, so it already

24:09

sent you a message, but the

24:11

rock thing kind of threw me off.

24:13

I was like, well, why would it take the

24:15

time to kind of stack up rocks like that?

24:18

But I've heard of them doing weird stuff

24:20

like that before when they take something from

24:23

a camp or even

24:25

people's property. They'll leave weird

24:27

stuff like that. Before

24:30

you guys even saw the creature,

24:33

you talked about hearing this growling.

24:36

Was the growling only... Was

24:38

it one thing growling at you? Yes.

24:41

So it was right at

24:43

this location that he shined the light on.

24:45

It was the distance and the direction that

24:48

the growl came from. And it

24:51

was one growl. And like I said, it

24:53

probably lasted about five to eight seconds somewhere

24:56

in that time frame. And

24:58

you heard it. When

25:00

you hear it, you never forget it. It's

25:02

just something that sticks with you.

25:05

It's indescribable to me. It's

25:07

not like the Ohio howl that was recorded. It

25:09

wasn't anything like that. It wasn't a howl.

25:11

It was more like a deep

25:14

growl. Like it

25:17

was mad, but it wasn't like

25:19

it wanted to kill us. But it was

25:21

like a growl, almost like a guard

25:23

dog standing in a fence growling at you, letting

25:26

you know that you shouldn't be there and

25:29

it sees you. That's probably the best way to

25:31

describe this growl. It

25:33

was deep. It

25:35

was something like a bear. You

25:38

could tell this thing was huge. Whatever

25:40

it was, this barreled, deep growl

25:42

is probably the best way I can describe it.

25:46

The other thing I was curious about, Candice,

25:49

you were recounting what happened to you. You

25:52

talked about your buddy having a gun and he

25:54

put his gun up, but you're also talking about a light. Was

25:56

the light on the gun? It was a light. Wasn't

26:00

like a separate flashlight that he

26:02

had? Yes.

26:05

So he had that Beretta on

26:07

him and he had that

26:09

flashlight on him. And that was all he had

26:11

as far as I know. I had like a pocket

26:14

knife on me. This thing wouldn't have done anything. My

26:17

other buddies didn't have anything on them, but he was

26:19

the one that did have this gun on him. You

26:21

know, he brought it with them just for protection to

26:24

the woods. He's

26:26

one of those types of guys. He's kind of

26:28

like a survivalist type guy. He

26:31

always has something on him just for protection. But

26:33

you know, luckily he had that on him and

26:36

he was in such a shock. He didn't even think

26:38

of trying to shoot at it or anything. He was

26:40

just kind of in a shock, just

26:43

point, just pointing the light at where this thing

26:45

was. And I'd say the

26:47

distance from where he was standing with the

26:49

gun to the tree

26:51

line was probably 30

26:53

or 40 feet. So

26:56

when he shined that light on it, we got a

26:58

pretty good view of this thing.

27:01

And like I said, it was

27:03

bigger than any human. Like, you

27:05

know, the closest thing I could compare

27:07

it to maybe like Andre the Giant. It was

27:10

just wide, huge, very tall.

27:13

It was dark brown. It

27:15

had some black to it as well. That's what

27:17

I remember about this thing. Dark brown and black.

27:20

And it used the oak tree as

27:22

cover. So, you know, a

27:25

little bit of its body was actually

27:27

hidden because of this tree. But for the

27:29

most part, you could probably see, you know,

27:32

three quarters of its body and the tree

27:34

was concealing the rest of it. Yeah.

27:37

I'm really curious on what stands out to you when

27:39

he hit it with the light. Before

27:41

I ask you that, you know, before

27:44

you had this incident happen to you, what

27:46

was kind of your take on the whole subject

27:49

of Sasquatch? So

27:51

I've always been a believer myself.

27:54

I've always believed in the unknown. I believe in

27:56

ghosts. I believe in the paranormal. So. I

28:00

went into this thinking, I

28:04

was the one that suggested we don't go in the

28:06

woods because there could be anything in these woods. So

28:09

I was the one with more of

28:11

that sense that these things

28:13

do exist and some

28:15

of these things aren't out to help you, they can

28:17

harm you. My other buddy

28:20

that had the firearm on him, he

28:23

reads up on Bigfoot things. He

28:27

believes in cryptids

28:29

and all that. So he's a believer.

28:32

The other two really didn't care whatsoever.

28:35

These guys, they don't care about any of that. They're just

28:37

going to the woods, going there to

28:39

camp and have a good time. They're outdoorsy people.

28:41

They like to hike and stuff like that. But

28:45

I definitely think after this, it

28:47

changed their perspective on

28:49

their beliefs. I certainly think they

28:51

walked away from this experience with

28:54

a whole other perspective and set of beliefs than

28:56

they had before. Can

28:59

I always say you can believe in Bigfoot

29:01

all day long, but it's very

29:03

different when you see it in person? I

29:06

think it definitely changes your whole perspective

29:08

in your reality as well. I

29:11

know just from listening to a lot

29:14

of the podcasts and watching a lot

29:16

of encounters, a lot

29:18

of similar things that happened to us.

29:23

The pungent smell, the

29:25

smell of rotten eggs,

29:28

sewage, your

29:30

hair stands up, you're just frozen.

29:33

A lot of these encounters I've

29:36

listened to and I've watched videos

29:38

of, just a lot of those

29:40

things that have commonalities compared

29:42

to our experience. This

29:45

many people have experiences and

29:47

they experience this horrible thing or it could

29:49

be a positive thing to some people when

29:51

a horrible thing to other people. I mean,

29:53

really, it's your

29:56

perception of your experience.

30:00

life, you know, it's your

30:02

perception is definitely your reality. And

30:04

it applies with encounters with these

30:07

things. I couldn't agree more. You

30:09

know, when he hit the thing with the

30:12

light, I realize all this is happening very,

30:14

very quickly. But when your buddy

30:16

put the gun up to with the light

30:19

and it shined on this saying or

30:22

some details that kind of stand out to you

30:24

even today. So

30:27

there wasn't anything

30:29

about this thing that

30:32

was like a man. To me,

30:36

I mean, there's no man

30:38

that's this wide in the waist. There's

30:41

no man that had that amount of hair on

30:43

them. And the hands,

30:45

you know, the one hand was resting on

30:47

the tree. It looks

30:50

like almost like, you know, something out of a movie.

30:53

It was very cartoonish the way it looked.

30:56

Thinking back, I was, you know, 30,

30:58

31 feet away. I'd

31:01

say 30, 35 at the most. You

31:03

know, looking back at this thing, you know, this

31:06

is a pretty bright light. And when it flashed on it,

31:09

it was it was it was scared of this light.

31:11

And I think that's why it retracted. But, you know,

31:13

details. I really think that I saw

31:16

what was a Sasquatch. This was no man.

31:19

I think, you know, you really

31:21

have to be a talented,

31:23

practical, faxed person to make make something

31:25

like this come to life. You

31:28

know, the amount of hair that would be required, you know,

31:30

the amount of gelatin that you'd have

31:33

to put into a suit to recreate this. I

31:36

truly do feel that what

31:38

I saw was was something

31:40

that was unhuman and it was

31:43

inhumanoid, that's for sure. I

31:45

did get sort of a glimpse at the face. And

31:48

like I said, I saw the eyes. They weren't like a

31:50

deer, but they were. They had a little bit of a

31:52

yellowish tint to them. The mouth.

31:55

I couldn't really make the mouth out, but I did see

31:57

part of the nose. The nose

32:00

was. was, you know, protruded out.

32:03

And I did kind of see it kind of

32:05

made out that it was like a, you know,

32:07

kind of like an old looking face. That's

32:09

probably the if I feel like if I would have had

32:12

a closer look, like maybe, you know, 10 feet away, not

32:14

that I wanted to be that close to it, but I

32:16

feel like it would have got a better picture what the

32:18

face look like. But from that

32:20

distance, you know, the only thing I saw was

32:22

that a face, you know, it looked kind of

32:24

look like it was worn down, like an old,

32:26

like type of primate looking face. Definitely

32:29

didn't look human whatsoever, but it had, you know, had

32:31

the eyes, had the nose, had the mouth, had

32:34

those human features, but it had more of

32:36

a primate, you know, rugged, worn

32:38

look to it. It's the best way I

32:40

could describe it from that distance. And

32:43

I think I caught it in the beginning, I might have

32:45

missed it, so forgive me. But from

32:48

the point where you guys saw this

32:50

creature to the distance to

32:52

get back to camp, what kind

32:54

of distance was that? I think he said earlier,

32:56

it was a couple miles. So

33:00

that was about a mile and

33:02

a half from this trail. So

33:05

we stood, our camp was

33:07

in the Boston Mills

33:09

area of the Cuyahoga Valley National

33:12

Park. And this trail, this

33:14

towpath trail was probably about a mile and

33:16

a half away. And this

33:18

towpath trail actually leads off into the woods

33:20

into a hiking trail. So that's actually where

33:23

we saw this thing was on that hiking

33:25

path. So that towpath is where it was

33:27

nesting with us. It's wide

33:29

open, that towpath is probably 30 feet wide.

33:32

And that's right next to the Cuyahoga

33:34

River, that towpath. So that's,

33:36

you know, that's where it was throwing rocks at

33:39

us and sticks were falling and stuff like that.

33:42

That's where that happened. But the camp where

33:44

we had our stuff thrown around,

33:46

that was about a mile and a half away from

33:48

this trail. You

33:50

know, what's, what's creepy though is unlike

33:53

any other animal on the planet, when

33:55

they encounter mankind, they flee. It's like

33:58

this thing followed you back to camp. Right.

34:01

It followed us back. And like

34:04

I said, it took, I

34:07

can't even remember how long it took for us to run

34:09

back to the camp. But it felt

34:12

like an eternity. When you're in an experience

34:15

like that, high stress

34:17

crisis situation, your heart's racing out

34:19

of your chest, you

34:21

just want to survive. And at that point, we were

34:24

just running as quick as we could back

34:26

to camp. And by the time we got back there,

34:28

we were just all winded. It was almost felt

34:32

like we ran five miles. I mean, it

34:35

was that bad. We were

34:37

just trying to catch our breath and calm

34:40

ourselves down. But I don't think any

34:42

of us relax whatsoever that night,

34:44

that night in that tent. After

34:47

seeing this saying, which as you describe

34:49

it, it's huge, and you guys

34:52

get back to camp, why not leave at that

34:54

point? We

34:57

at that point, we just

34:59

felt it was in our best interest

35:01

just to get back into

35:03

the tent and try to forget about it.

35:06

So at that moment, I truly don't know why we

35:08

didn't just get in our car and go. Thinking

35:11

back on it, it was

35:13

probably a dumb decision on our part

35:15

to stay there after seeing that, that

35:18

this thing is in the woods still. But

35:21

at that moment, we were young,

35:24

fresh out of school. We still had

35:26

the beer and stuff in us, the

35:28

liquor and things like that. We were

35:30

all just probably not the best state of

35:32

mind to get in our cars and drive either.

35:35

So we

35:38

decided to just stay there. Yeah,

35:41

I think you guys made the right

35:43

decision, especially if you've been drinking. Packing

35:46

up in the middle of the night, sometimes that

35:48

sounds like a great plan on paper, but executing

35:51

it is very different. It can be

35:54

a little bit tougher than you might

35:56

think, especially if you guys have been

35:58

drinking. Let me ask you,

36:00

it comes into your camp, it kind of

36:04

tears everything up, throws everything

36:06

around, takes your buddy's

36:08

beans. Why do

36:10

you think it didn't hurt anyone? I

36:14

don't know. That's a good question. And thinking

36:16

back to the experience, I always

36:18

ask myself that question. Why

36:21

did it decide to leave

36:24

us be? Because it very well could

36:26

have grabbed our tent and tossed us. This

36:28

thing had that strength,

36:31

that outwardly strength, that superhuman strength, it probably

36:33

could have taken the tent and threw us.

36:37

But I don't know why it didn't harm

36:39

us. And going back to that

36:42

spiritual aspect, I wonder

36:44

if they have

36:46

that sense of right and

36:49

wrong, if they just believe that

36:51

based on what we

36:54

were doing there, how we were acting

36:56

and how we reacted to seeing it at

36:59

first. We didn't shoot at it. We

37:01

weren't harmful to it. We

37:04

didn't chase it when it backed away. So

37:06

thinking back in my mind, I think back

37:08

and think that it was

37:10

more of a good Sasquatch. I think it didn't

37:13

want to harm us, but it just wanted to

37:15

kind of mess with

37:17

us and let us know, hey, you

37:20

shouldn't have been wandering back here, but

37:22

I'm going to let you know that I'm here. I'm

37:27

protecting this park. It was my

37:29

sense, I felt like it was more of a protector

37:31

of the national park than anything. Ken,

37:34

did you guys ever go back or did you

37:36

ever go back by yourself? So

37:39

my one buddy that lives in

37:41

Dayton has gone back. He went back a

37:44

year or so ago with

37:46

his girlfriend and they were just there to hike. He

37:48

didn't go anywhere near the path because

37:50

it's still hard for him. You

37:52

go anywhere near the campsite whatsoever,

37:56

but they did go to another part of the park and hike,

37:58

but he's been back to that park. just

38:00

to hike and enjoy

38:02

it recreationally. The

38:04

other two have not, and I

38:06

personally have not been there, but I

38:08

plan on making a

38:10

trip back at some point soon to

38:13

go walk around that area where it happened.

38:15

I think I've come to the

38:17

point where I've come to

38:19

terms with what happened, and I just wanna go back and

38:22

kinda walk through at least

38:24

the towpath and the hiking area. I

38:26

wanna go past where that happened

38:28

as well. I have

38:30

no reason to go back to the campsite. I'm not planning a

38:32

camping trip or anything back there, but I do

38:35

wanna go back and walk around the area. It

38:37

is a beautiful park. There's a lot to

38:39

appreciate about it. Yeah,

38:41

I think sometimes it's good to go back. It's

38:44

good for the soul to go back, even

38:46

though you really don't want to, and it'll

38:49

probably be uncomfortable going back. I

38:51

do think it's important. Earlier

38:54

you talked about Sasquatch, more

38:57

on the spiritual side. I ask everyone on the

38:59

show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's

39:01

your take, Ken? This

39:06

is through watching multiple

39:09

videos, podcasts. I

39:12

truly think that Sasquatch is

39:14

a supernatural being, and

39:16

this is my honest thoughts on it.

39:18

I think that there's many of them. I

39:21

think some of them work in conjunction with

39:23

each other. I

39:25

do think that other cryptids are aware of them

39:27

as well. I wouldn't say

39:29

the cryptic community all gets along, but

39:32

I do think that some of them work

39:34

in conjunction with each other, and they

39:37

know they're there. They

39:39

all know where each other are. I think

39:41

that those areas

39:43

where they all, people see them

39:45

and stuff, I think there

39:47

could be multiple of them at the same time

39:50

in that area, but you just don't see them.

39:52

I think they hide very well, conceal themselves, but

39:54

I definitely think they do travel in groups. I

39:57

definitely think that in the

39:59

supernatural. aspect of it, for it to

40:01

just kind of vanish like that.

40:03

I'm not saying it vanished in the thin air,

40:06

but as big as this thing was,

40:09

I think if it ran, it

40:12

would make some type of noise where

40:15

you can hear sticks, you

40:17

can hear leaves, you can hear it running. We

40:19

didn't hear that when it vanished. It just

40:21

kind of stepped back, took a

40:24

step back behind the tree and it

40:26

was gone. It was very dark

40:28

too at that point, but like I said,

40:30

that aspect of Sasquatch makes me believe

40:32

that it's a supernatural being. So

40:35

that's my take on Sasquatch. So

40:38

when you say like it's supernatural, what do

40:40

you mean like a ghost or like a

40:42

demon? I guess when you

40:44

use a phrase like or the term supernatural,

40:47

what do you mean? So

40:50

I've kind of fed into the idea of the portals,

40:53

but these things use portals to travel

40:55

as well. Now I

40:57

might be completely wrong and some people might

40:59

think I'm extremely crazy in the Sasquatch community,

41:02

but I do think these things can

41:05

travel between portals to get

41:07

to locations very quickly. I've heard

41:09

stories of people watching

41:12

these things take one big

41:14

step or one or two

41:16

steps in traveling over a great amount of

41:18

space. So I think something

41:22

like this has that capacity to do that.

41:25

There's some supernatural aspect behind it. If

41:27

it can jump, if it can run,

41:30

and it can cover amount of area and

41:33

so little time, I certainly

41:35

think there's a supernatural degree behind that.

41:39

Yeah, I understand the way you feel. I

41:41

often think there's more going on here than

41:44

just a normal animal we haven't caught

41:46

up with. You know after this encounter,

41:48

Ken, how did this kind of affect

41:51

you? Have you been out camping or

41:53

anything since? So

41:56

I've had a scar since

41:58

that time. Believe

42:01

it or not, I haven't camped one time

42:03

since then, not one single time. I

42:05

have not camped there. I haven't camped there.

42:08

I haven't camped anywhere in the US. I

42:10

don't really go out after

42:13

8 o'clock anymore outside. So

42:16

if I need to take the trash out, I'll

42:18

do it 5.30, 6 o'clock at night. Once

42:22

it gets dark, obviously if I

42:24

have to go somewhere and I have to go somewhere at

42:26

night, I have to. I have no choice, but I don't

42:28

go out of my way to go walk around the woods

42:30

at nighttime anymore. Since

42:32

then, no. I'm an

42:34

avid believer this thing exists and I'm an avid

42:36

believer that it could be anywhere near me at

42:38

any time. It's not

42:40

limited to one area. I

42:42

certainly think these things travel

42:45

all around. Ohio being

42:47

part of the Appalachian

42:49

Trail, really, that area, we're not far

42:52

from the Appalachian Trail. I think these

42:54

things travel through that area quite frequently

42:56

and I think they veer off

42:59

and I think that's what happened with this one.

43:01

It ended up in that area, Cuyahoga Valley

43:03

National Park. I

43:05

think you guys handled it better than I

43:07

would have because I would have probably done

43:10

something stupid like started firing at this

43:12

thing. It's probably for the

43:14

best you didn't, but after

43:17

the scary night, you see this thing

43:19

and then it comes into your camp

43:21

and destroys your camp. After

43:23

going through all of this, if you

43:25

had the chance, would you want to see another one?

43:29

I'll be honest with you, I don't

43:32

know. I can't answer that truthfully. After

43:35

what I saw, I don't know if I want to see

43:37

it again. I certainly

43:39

want to see a

43:42

really good video that somebody captures

43:44

of this thing because in

43:46

the moment, we all had our phone

43:49

lights on, but we did not think for one

43:51

second that we were going to take a video

43:53

of this thing. Just didn't register in our minds

43:55

to do it. I think, honestly, that

43:57

kind of attributes to the lack of a video.

43:59

of video evidence that we have of these things.

44:03

People being in sheer terror, sheer shock,

44:05

they don't even think of doing it

44:07

at the moment. Everybody says, I

44:09

don't want anybody captured this on video. Why

44:12

hasn't anybody shot one yet? If they

44:14

really exist, why hasn't anybody physically

44:18

captured and or got

44:20

really good video evidence to this

44:23

thing? I

44:25

think these things have a way of putting

44:27

this fear of God into people that

44:30

you don't want to get it on video because

44:32

whatever you're looking at obviously

44:35

doesn't want to be videotaped. I

44:37

think to this day, as soon as you shine that light on

44:39

it, it did not want to be seen. Like

44:42

I said, it was maybe one

44:44

or two seconds that we

44:46

actually saw visualization of this thing in front of

44:49

us and then it vanished.

44:52

Yeah, I can tell you in most encounters, 99.9%

44:54

of the time, the eyewitness is more worried about

45:00

self-preservation than, hey, let

45:03

me document this moment in time in my

45:05

life about seeing this weird creature. People

45:08

don't think about pulling their phones out.

45:10

I want to ask you about the light. When

45:13

you guys shine the light on this thing, you

45:15

had mentioned it backed off and kind

45:17

of went back behind the tree. What

45:20

do you think it was about the light that got

45:22

the same to back off? I

45:25

honestly think back on it, Wes. That

45:28

light is pretty blinding. That

45:31

light that he had on that gun, it's probably at

45:33

least a thousand lumens, LED. When

45:36

you get that shine in your eyes, I know just

45:39

me, if I had that shine in my eyes, it would hurt

45:41

pretty bad. Thinking

45:43

back on this to this day, I think when

45:45

that light hit it, it was like a beam

45:47

hitting its eyes. I think

45:49

personally, it may have painted

45:52

a little bit in the eyes. It wasn't pleasant

45:54

for it. I think that's why it backed

45:56

off. When

45:58

we ran away, I think... I think it kept a certain

46:01

distance from us as well. It kind of

46:03

followed us from behind and

46:05

tailed us back to our location. It knew where

46:07

we were. I certainly think

46:09

it has a great sense of smell as well.

46:12

It had our scent, I'm sure, and it

46:14

knew where we were. It tracked us right back. You

46:18

know, as I'm thinking about what happened to

46:20

you guys at night, I almost wonder if

46:22

it wasn't so much the light, but

46:24

it was the gun. The

46:27

flashlight was on the gun and he pointed the

46:29

gun at this thing. It makes me

46:31

wonder if that's why it came in and kind

46:33

of wrecked your guys' camp. Yeah,

46:37

I'm wondering, honestly, because a 9mm certainly

46:39

can do some damage, but there's something

46:46

that big. I don't even think a

46:48

.44 Magnum or something of that caliber could take

46:51

it out. It

46:53

certainly means a whole lot more than a 9mm. You

46:55

do anything to a soft squash, in my opinion.

46:58

Hearing stories from Skinwalker Ranch, that

47:00

guy shot whatever

47:03

it was out there with a .357

47:05

Magnum multiple times and still walked up and

47:07

went off. Not saying

47:09

that's the same type of situation, but just

47:11

making a parable between guns. I

47:14

don't think a gun could do anything with

47:16

this thing, is my personal opinion.

47:19

Yeah, I agree with you. A 9mm is not going

47:21

to take this thing down, but it

47:23

doesn't know that it's a 9mm. I

47:27

had this old crazy Native

47:29

American that I was buddies with. He's

47:32

since passed away and got rest his

47:34

soul. He had

47:36

told me one time, you don't even have to

47:39

point a gun at them. Pick up anything and

47:41

point it at them and they'll back off. That's

47:44

why I was trying to figure out why would it

47:46

come in and wreck your guys' camp, take

47:48

the beans and peace out. I

47:50

kind of think it maybe it was, it had

47:53

recognized that gun. There's a lot of eyewitness

47:55

accounts to where these things seem

47:57

to recognize a weapon.

48:00

And I almost wonder if that's why it

48:02

backed off and then came back to kind

48:05

of give you a camp of what for for

48:07

pointing a weapon at it. You

48:11

really don't know the type of vision these things

48:13

have either. You know, they very well could have,

48:15

you know, superior vision. We have

48:17

no clue what kind of vision these things have.

48:19

It could have instantly, like you said, was recognize

48:21

that that was a weapon, recognize

48:23

the flashlight on the weapon and

48:26

recognize the way he was pointing the gun at it

48:28

in a intimidating

48:30

demeanor, say hey back off,

48:33

you know, we're armed. He

48:35

very well could have could have done this in

48:37

a kind of a retribution style

48:39

coming back and saying, hey, I'm the boss.

48:42

You know, I run stuff here. That was that's kind

48:44

of my take on what he did. He

48:47

or she I don't know what type of gender it

48:49

was. But to me, if I

48:51

could best describe this, this was definitely a male. Yeah,

48:54

it kind of sounds like it. And

48:57

I really appreciate you sharing this

48:59

encounter because it really helps me

49:01

because you'll hear accounts to where

49:03

like the rocks, they'll take

49:05

something from you, but generally

49:07

they'll leave something. And

49:09

I know when you guys came out of the tent

49:11

in the morning, you guys saw those rocks and we're probably

49:13

thinking, you know, what in the world? But

49:16

you didn't put two and two together with the

49:18

beans. And I'm not saying that's why I stacked

49:20

the rocks. I'm just giving you my opinion, of

49:22

course. I mean, I don't

49:25

have one of my garage I'm studying so I

49:27

could be 100 percent wrong. But

49:30

any on that coming in and kind

49:32

of wrecking the camp, I

49:35

don't think it was so much a light. I think it was

49:37

a gun that kind of pissed it off. But

49:40

again, you know, I'm kind of Monday

49:42

morning quarterbacking. I wasn't there. Just

49:45

opinions, of course. But I

49:47

really appreciate you coming on, Ken, and

49:49

sharing with us what happened to you. I

49:52

really enjoyed chatting with you, Ken. Absolutely

49:55

was. It was an honor to be on. Like

49:57

I said, I've been listening to your show. for

50:01

probably two years now. So I listen to it

50:03

every morning on the way to work, and I

50:05

listen to it. I try to

50:07

finish my episodes on the way back from

50:09

work. So I consider myself a veteran listener

50:11

on your show, and I

50:13

really appreciate you having me on. It

50:15

was an honor to share my story

50:18

with everybody, and hopefully the listeners, this

50:20

piques their curiosity, maybe about the national

50:23

parks, get some more people

50:25

out and exploring. Certainly

50:27

that's what I wanted to do with this experience. Thanks

50:31

again, Ken. And that's it

50:33

for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter,

50:35

shoot me an email. My

50:37

email address is Wes

50:40

at sasquatchchronicles.com, and

50:42

if you get a chance, check

50:44

out sasquatchchronicles.com. You can

50:46

become a member and get additional

50:48

shows. You know, I

50:50

came across this the other day in my

50:53

feed, and I really wanted to kind of

50:55

share it with you guys. You

50:57

know, in these current times that we live

51:00

in, there's so much that separates us as

51:03

a people, or we think that

51:05

we have that perception that we're separated by

51:07

so much, but you find

51:09

out in hard times that there's

51:12

very little that separates most Americans.

51:15

Bob Riley once said, "'Hard times

51:17

don't create heroes. "'It

51:19

is during the hard times "'when the hero

51:22

within us is revealed.'" What

51:24

I'm about to share with you is

51:27

the rest of the story on

51:29

what happened on 9-11. You may

51:31

not have heard. Ordinary people

51:33

becoming heroes. It's

51:35

moments in time like this that remind

51:37

me why I love this country so

51:39

much and why I love my

51:42

fellow countrymen. Until

51:44

next time, everyone. I

51:47

thought I was watching a movie, Towering

51:49

Inferno at first, and

51:51

then I looked real close, and I noticed

51:54

it was the World Trade Center. I

51:56

was compelled because I'm the type of person

51:58

that can't stand bars. and watch

52:01

other people suffer. And

52:04

to me, they were suffering. They wanted to get off

52:06

the island. And there was no way

52:08

for them to get off the island other than the

52:10

water. And I had noticed

52:12

when I was watching the television, I saw a

52:14

lot of, you know, the ferries coming up into

52:17

the slips and taking people off. I said, fine,

52:19

we could do the same thing. I

52:21

could take people on my boat, get

52:24

in there, take them where they have to go. And

52:27

that's what we did. The

52:33

The The

52:36

The The The

52:42

The The The

52:48

On the morning of September 11th, when

52:50

the towers came down, millions

52:53

of people ran for safety. Hundreds

52:56

of thousands of them ran south to the

52:58

water's edge. That's

53:01

when they realized that Manhattan is

53:03

indeed an island, and

53:06

that they were trapped. They

53:09

were feeling helpless, and that's

53:11

the worst feeling in the

53:13

world. What was a person on

53:15

the ground going to do? Buildings

53:17

were down, people laying

53:19

under the rubble of the building, firemen,

53:24

civilians. My wife was there,

53:27

and I turned around, I said, I've got to go do something.

53:30

Just like that. She looked at me, she says,

53:32

what are you going to do, you maniac? I

53:34

says, I'm going to take the amberjack up into the

53:37

city and help. She

53:39

says, but what if they're attacked again? I

53:42

says, well, then that's something I have to live with. I

53:45

says, I have to do what I have to do. I

53:48

says, and nobody can stop me right now. Even

53:51

if I save one person, or I rescue

53:53

one person, there's one person less

53:56

that will suffer and die. It

54:02

was just a madness

54:04

on one side and

54:07

wanting to help people

54:10

on the other side. They

54:23

were just streaming out of the buildings and the

54:25

first mode of transportation they saw was a ferry

54:27

boat. That's

54:29

when they knew, this is how I'm getting out of here. So

54:32

they didn't even care where the boat was going. There

54:36

wasn't panic in New York in

54:38

the beginning, just volume. There

54:41

wasn't until the first building

54:43

fell that there was panic. You

54:52

heard the building went down, but we're in the slip so we

54:54

can't see it. That's

54:56

when we started letting go and then all of a sudden, it

54:58

engulfed. You

55:01

couldn't see anything. People

55:04

were actually jumping into the river and

55:07

swimming out of Manhattan. Boats were

55:10

very nearly running them over. These

55:13

people wanted out of Manhattan no matter any

55:16

way they could. Somebody wants you to go

55:18

over there. Every

55:23

mode of transportation out of Manhattan was

55:25

shut down. All

55:28

the subways were shut. The tunnels were

55:30

all closed. They closed the bridges. They

55:32

closed everything immediately. Boats,

55:35

usually an afterthought in most New Yorkers'

55:37

minds, were for the first

55:39

time in over a century the only way

55:41

in or out of

55:43

Lower Manhattan. I

55:46

was not evacuating people. Anybody can get

55:48

over here without evacuating people. The process

55:50

that actually hadn't already started, there were some

55:52

boats that were grabbing people

55:54

and people were lighting up at the walls. On

55:57

the left, on the left, on the left. Is

55:59

this human nature? Were

1:02:00

rescued from Manhattan by boat. It

1:02:03

took less than nine hours I

1:02:11

believe somebody has a little hero in them You

1:02:13

gotta look in and it's in there

1:02:16

It'll come out and need to be I

1:02:19

have one theory in life. I Never

1:02:22

want to say the word I should have If

1:02:25

I do it and I fail I tried If

1:02:29

I do it and I succeed Better

1:02:31

for me and I tell my children

1:02:34

the same thing Never go

1:02:36

through life saying you should have if

1:02:38

you want to do something You

1:02:41

do it You

1:03:23

You