0:00

It looked like

0:02

somebody like somebody was

0:04

bent over and had their

0:07

head in the window of

0:09

the deer blinding. of It either

0:11

heard me or smelt me and he

0:13

pulled his head out of the heard me

0:15

or smelled me and

0:18

he pulled his head

0:20

out of the tent

0:22

and stood don't make

0:24

people that that that

0:27

shocked me. The

0:31

way it moved. Almost as if it

0:33

as if it was

0:35

gliding across the beach. beach. I've

0:37

never seen never seen anything

0:39

move like that in my life. my

0:41

life. They were screaming at each other in

0:43

were screaming at each other

0:45

in like a language and they sounded

0:47

like a language and

0:50

they were back back and

0:52

forwards, back and forwards, back

0:54

and and forward, back and forward. what

0:56

a bear looks like and there

0:58

is no... way on this

1:00

planet that what I bear looks

1:04

like and

1:07

there is

1:10

no way

1:12

on 9

1:14

-1, what are you reporting?

1:16

planet but somebody out here.

1:19

What's going on now, sir?

1:21

That son of a

1:23

bitch is about 6... Yes,

1:27

I'm looking right in. Welcome

2:00

to the show everyone. Thanks

2:02

for being here tonight. Got

2:04

a great show planned for

2:06

you. We'll get to Bigfoot

2:09

here in a second. I

2:11

wanted to share with you.

2:13

We'll get to Bigfoot here

2:15

in a second. I wanted

2:17

to share with you a

2:19

real threat that is already

2:22

here. There's a very high

2:24

percentage of you listening that

2:26

will face this attack in

2:28

the near future. I'm going

2:30

to show you how to

2:32

spot fake AI. There was

2:35

this company, it's called the

2:37

Wizz CEO incident, and basically

2:39

within this corporation, it's still

2:41

a big company. I think

2:43

Google was going to buy

2:45

them for like $23 billion

2:48

or something like that. But

2:50

what happened in this company

2:52

is... They had such a

2:54

strong security measure that any

2:56

time money was moved or

2:58

money was transferred or Any

3:00

major decisions that were made

3:03

within this company It would

3:05

have to come directly from

3:07

the CEO He would actually

3:09

have to make a phone

3:11

call down there and have

3:13

whatever needs to be done

3:16

be done and so these

3:18

attackers Cloned the CEO's voice

3:20

and actually started calling around

3:22

the company around the company

3:24

transfer, you know, they stole

3:26

money, they stole, they made

3:29

a mess of things. The

3:31

article reads, the AI threat,

3:33

it's real, man, it's here,

3:35

take the Wizz CEO incident,

3:37

where attackers used AI perfectly

3:39

to replicate an executive's voice

3:41

to authorize a fraudulent transfer,

3:44

bypassing traditional security measures. Friends,

3:46

we need to be on

3:48

alert. This is serious. Don't

3:50

forget to visit the Confessionals

3:52

podcast.com and buy some merch.

3:54

Don't worry about having trouble

3:56

finding where on the site.

3:59

I made a huge window

4:01

you have to close to

4:03

go anywhere with all my

4:05

crap in it. Need a

4:07

Christmas gift? Get a mug

4:09

with my face on it.

4:12

Give it to family, you're

4:14

at odds with. The Confessionals

4:16

podcast.com. Now friends, the Whiz

4:18

CEO incident goes much deeper.

4:20

The co-founder Asaf Rappaport noted

4:22

that his employees had been

4:24

targeted by a deep fake

4:27

attack just two weeks ago.

4:29

Dozens of my employees got

4:31

a voice message from me,

4:33

he explained. The attack tried

4:35

to get their credentials. Friends,

4:37

the AI threat, it's real,

4:39

and it's here. This isn't

4:42

fear-mongering, it's a wake-up call.

4:44

The identity security revolution isn't

4:46

coming, it's here. I don't

4:48

understand, the card says, A.I.

4:50

Tony, out. What is A.I.

4:52

Tony? Is this the...closing? We'll

4:56

do it live. Okay. Well

4:58

do it live! Fck it!

5:00

Do it live! I can't

5:02

outright it and we'll do

5:04

it live! Fckin' thing sucks!

5:06

One thing that you'll notice

5:08

is AI is unable to

5:10

have an authentic human expression

5:13

or emotion. I know AI

5:15

is unable to accomplish this

5:17

now and it won't be

5:19

able to accomplish it in

5:21

the future. And there's kind

5:23

of a reason why I

5:25

won't bore you with the

5:27

details. But I can't make

5:29

A.I. Tony laugh. I can't

5:31

make A.I. Tony cry. I

5:33

can't make A.I. Tony be

5:35

depressed. As the technology grows

5:37

and it grows and it

5:39

grows exponentially every day. And

5:41

it gets better and better

5:43

and better. It still won't

5:46

be able to accomplish those

5:48

things. The ears hear anger,

5:50

but the brain isn't buying

5:52

it. Closing? Thing sucks. Do

5:54

it live! Fuck it, I

5:56

will write it and we

5:58

will do it live. We

6:01

will do it it live! You know, it's

6:03

interesting. You can actually

6:05

it's interesting. You can

6:08

actually program and respond recognize

6:10

and respond to human

6:12

emotions actually it can't

6:14

actually express those same emotions

6:16

the almost like the machine

6:18

lacks that spark of

6:20

humanity. You'll also notice that Tony's

6:22

volume The amplitude voice voice

6:24

doesn't change In fact,

6:26

when you look at it

6:28

like an an wave wave,

6:30

you can download download like Adacity or

6:32

Garage what I'm talking about

6:35

I'm talking notice that notice that

6:37

AI's is perfect. When the

6:39

When the human voice

6:41

speaks, it's never perfect. And

6:43

we don't sit like robots

6:46

when we're expressing anger, for

6:48

example. for We're animated. we're Our

6:50

head is moving. head is And

6:52

Bill's volume and his voice

6:54

is all over the place.

6:56

the place. You can tell he's truly

6:58

pissed. pissed. We'll do it

7:00

live. live. Okay. Well do it live!

7:02

Do it live! I can't Do

7:05

it it and we'll it and we'll do

7:07

it live! thing sucks!

7:09

I say all that to say this.

7:12

You're all that to say

7:14

this, and working at a job,

7:16

and one of your coworkers

7:18

wants you gone. The coworker decides

7:20

he's going to clone your voice

7:22

and have a secret recording

7:24

of you saying terrible things, saying

7:26

and then he's going to release

7:28

it to some of your going

7:31

to a fake some who is

7:33

concerned. under a fake right? who Especially not

7:35

at a school? happen right? Especially not at

7:37

a school? Baltimore A teacher is accused

7:39

of using AI to make

7:41

his boss boss appear racist. I'll explain

7:43

how he did it it

7:45

how he messed up. up. I'll

7:47

play the audio. it's but

7:49

he doesn't use any

7:52

racial slurs slurs his his AI. I'm

7:54

I'm assuming he wanted

7:56

this guy gone, not killed. killed. morning,

7:58

we're knew this morning more about... What

8:00

can happen when artificial intelligence is

8:02

using with bad intentions? A former

8:04

high school athletic director in Baltimore

8:07

County in custody in connection with

8:09

a AI generated impersonation of the

8:11

school's principal. Allison is back now

8:14

in studio with more on this

8:16

story and she has the details

8:18

on what happened here. This is

8:21

a wild story, was Baltimore County

8:23

police say they believe 31-year-old Dezondarian

8:25

is behind an AI-generated racist voice

8:27

recording that circulated on social media

8:30

earlier this year. Police say the

8:32

former Pikesville High School athletic director

8:34

created the audio recording as retaliation

8:37

against the school's principal when his

8:39

contract was not renewed. The recording

8:41

impersonated the principal's voice and it

8:44

included racist and anti-Semitic insults about

8:46

students. charging documents state that the

8:48

audio clip was originally sent to

8:50

a friend group of three teachers

8:53

including Darion. Now one of those

8:55

educators admitted to police She sent

8:57

the clip to a news outlet

9:00

and a student because she knew

9:02

that student would spread that clip

9:04

around. Darian originally denied any involvement,

9:06

but police have now connected the

9:09

email address that sent that audio

9:11

clip to his grandmother's house out

9:13

in LA with a recovery phone

9:16

number being Darian's own cell phone.

9:18

Baltimore County police say that the

9:20

former athletic director was taken into

9:23

custody yesterday morning at B.W.I. Marshall

9:25

Airport as he was attempting to

9:27

board a flight. Now Baltimore County

9:29

state's attorney Scott Shellenberger said that

9:32

the case appears to be one

9:34

of the first of its kind

9:36

nationwide. He said the Maryland General

9:39

Assembly may need to update state

9:41

laws to catch up with the

9:43

nefarious possibilities of this new AI

9:46

technology. Man we knew what we

9:48

knew it could be used in

9:50

these kinds of bad ways, and

9:52

here's one example please Absolutely, yeah,

9:55

you you definitely got to be

9:57

on the lookout for this kind

9:59

of stuff now, and yeah, that's

10:02

it's very sad And I'll play

10:04

the the fake AI of the

10:06

principle Again, it's racist, but the

10:09

whole recording is so ridiculous. It's

10:11

almost laughable. So in order to

10:13

clone someone, I need about 30

10:15

seconds or so of a sample

10:18

of that person's voice. I would

10:20

prefer two minutes, like a two-minute

10:22

sample, but not a lot. You

10:25

really don't need a lot with

10:27

AI. And the other thing, too,

10:29

like for the CEO. I don't

10:31

want to go to YouTube and

10:34

grab a sample of him at

10:36

a conference or speaking at an

10:38

event because it however you record

10:41

the sample is how the AI

10:43

will interpret it. So for example

10:45

if I record like this... I

10:48

kind of like AI Tony more

10:50

than the actual Tony. Now when

10:52

I clone my voice it's going

10:54

to sound like I'm that far

10:57

away as opposed to me talking

10:59

right now. You know, I seriously

11:01

don't understand why I have to

11:04

constantly put up with these dumbasses

11:06

here every day. So when this

11:08

gym teacher actually created the sample

11:11

or recorded the principal, this actually

11:13

probably was from his office. You'll

11:15

hear a lot of background noise,

11:17

but you'll also notice that he

11:20

doesn't know what to do with

11:22

the background noise. And so in

11:24

between each sentence, you hear it

11:27

drop off like it's clipped. Like

11:29

it's clipped. The other thing he

11:31

does is in AI you can

11:33

exaggerate someone talking. Again you can't

11:36

create emotions or expressions but you

11:38

can over exaggerate someone talking and

11:40

so it kind of gives that

11:43

appearance of there's emotion behind it.

11:45

Probably got a heater or a

11:47

fan or do you hear it

11:50

clip off? Dumbass is here every

11:52

day. This right here. So

11:56

what he's doing is he's going into

11:58

AI he can't fear out how

12:00

to accommodate for

12:03

that background noise. he's typing

12:05

in in a sentence for the the

12:07

say. say, for For example,

12:09

this is one. This is

12:12

clip one. He's This is clip

12:14

and He's cutting and pasting that.

12:16

it in it in the file and not

12:18

even paying attention to the background

12:20

noise. to the This is

12:22

Clip noise. This is This is

12:25

This is clip so on. so on.

12:28

Between these ungrateful black kids who can't

12:30

test their way out of a paper bag. out

12:32

of a or these teachers who don't get it.

12:34

How hard is it to get these students

12:36

to meet their grade to get these students to meet

12:38

their grade level and Ravenel should have

12:40

never been higher. and Ravenel should have

12:42

never been And don't let me get started

12:44

on DJ. I'm gonna drag his black on DJ. here

12:47

one way or another. his black ass out here one

12:49

guy right there, guy he says I'm where

12:51

that guy out. drag the guy

12:53

he's referring to? to is actually

12:55

the person who wrote this this. AI

12:57

audio file. And file. there And what

13:00

he did there is he typed

13:02

that sentence in all probably two There's

13:04

probably two exclamation marks.

13:06

I guarantee I guarantee he

13:08

regenerated, regenerated. was He was

13:10

tweaking with that exaggeration tool

13:13

kind of speed it up of speed it up

13:15

a little bit where it sounds like he's pissed.

13:17

But But again, if if you look

13:19

at the audio file, that's no

13:21

louder than when he was talking

13:23

in the beginning. in The audio and

13:25

the amplitude never changes. changes. I'm

13:28

I'm going to get something to something to stick. I'm

13:30

just sick of being out - of these

13:32

people. of these people. And if I

13:34

have to get And if I have to get

13:36

one more complaint from one more Jew in this

13:38

community, I'm gonna join the other side. join the other

13:41

side. And And that very last clip,

13:43

every time he talks, it's a

13:45

different clip. it And he turned it

13:47

down there in the beginning. the You

13:49

can tell the audio has been altered.

13:52

So he probably turned that down in the

13:54

beginning where he's kind of rambling to

13:56

himself down to to like

13:58

probably minus 15 DB. and then as

14:00

he's talking he amplifies different areas the

14:03

last part he really amplifies and I

14:05

wish you I wish I could show

14:07

this as a presentation to really show

14:09

you guys what I'm looking at but

14:12

there's nothing authentic about this recording first

14:14

of all it's all piecemealed together I

14:16

mean without even knowing this was AI

14:18

or what had happened That would be

14:20

my very first comment. This whole thing

14:23

has been pieced together. The other thing

14:25

is, there's obvious signs that it's AI.

14:27

It's not a real person talking. And

14:29

when you listen to the recording, it

14:31

makes no sense. So you walked into

14:34

this guy's office and he made several

14:36

racist comments and there's no real context

14:38

behind it? Like, where's the before and

14:40

after? You just walked in, bam, hit

14:43

record, capture all this, you know, stop,

14:45

I'm out of here. There's nothing about

14:47

it that sounds authentic. And I'm really

14:49

glad that this guy got caught. I

14:51

think it's disgusting personally. I know why

14:54

I do AI with, I play with

14:56

Tony's voice and some other people, but

14:58

it's in good fun. They know I'm

15:00

not going to, you know, do anything

15:03

on a level what this guy's doing.

15:05

And... You know, this guy could have

15:07

ruined this principal's life. If everyone would

15:09

have bought into this as being real,

15:11

he would have ruined this guy's life.

15:14

And you know, for like the last

15:16

10 years, I've been begging for regulation

15:18

and AI, because it will just become

15:20

a weapon. Normally I don't like to

15:22

do long interest like that, but I

15:25

feel like it was really important because

15:27

I do feel like we're going to

15:29

see more and more of this sort

15:31

of thing going on. and

15:34

you know know, it

15:36

isn't just AI audio the visual

15:38

visual is right track with

15:40

the track with the

15:42

audio. really It's terrifying

15:45

blamed you could be

15:47

blamed for just

15:49

about anything. And they're

15:51

like, Hey, we hey

15:53

we video. you on Hey,

15:56

we got this

15:58

recording of you talking.

16:00

talking And you had

16:02

no part of

16:05

it. And what's the

16:07

deal with those

16:09

teachers in that school?

16:11

I don't get

16:13

not going to the

16:16

to being like, Hey,

16:18

we got this

16:20

audio file. we got this

16:22

know, can you tell

16:24

us what's going

16:27

on? It's a little

16:29

long. going on, it's a little something

16:31

like that. They they pass

16:33

it off to other teachers it off

16:35

to other teachers, get it out there

16:37

and burn this guy to

16:39

the ground. You know who needs

16:41

enemies when you have co -workers

16:43

like that you have coworkers be chatting

16:45

with we'll be and Reno and Whalen, who

16:47

an encounter in Alberta, Canada? The

16:50

first incident they had found

16:52

this found this the guys got

16:54

a pretty good cast a post

16:56

the pictures below below.

16:59

Fast forward to October of this

17:01

year. brothers actually a glimpse of

17:03

the creature the creature of let

17:05

the guys go into that. the

17:07

guys go also wrap up with

17:09

Angel, with who is from

17:11

Georgia. Georgia. She had an encounter

17:14

in 2013 kind of let kind of

17:16

let Angel go into that.

17:18

If you've had an encounter

17:20

and you'd like to be

17:22

on the show, be shoot

17:24

me an email. me an My

17:27

email address is is west at sasquatchchronicals.com and

17:29

you get a chance a

17:31

out check out sasquatchchronicals.com, a member and

17:33

get additional shows. additional jump into

17:35

it tonight. it I want to

17:37

welcome to welcome the show. to the show. Waylon,

17:39

thanks for coming on. coming on. Yeah,

17:41

no no worries. Yeah, we also we

17:43

also have your brother, Reno. Reno, thanks

17:46

thanks for being here, here, ma'am. Yeah,

17:48

Yeah, thanks for having me, Wes. me, if

17:50

you would, of walked me of walk me into

17:52

this whole thing, because you guys had found

17:54

this this and then later on,

17:56

both of you got a glimpse

17:58

of the creature. of the creature. you would kind

18:00

of start from the very beginning. And

18:02

I know this takes place up there

18:05

in Alberta Canada. It was in the

18:07

fall up here and I went hunting

18:09

with one of my buddies. He's an

18:11

older gentleman who doesn't walk very good.

18:13

He has some back issues and stuff.

18:15

So we took the quarter like the

18:17

four wheeler, I don't know what you

18:19

guys call it down there, but we

18:22

went up north of his place and

18:24

we live like pretty much if you

18:26

go north of his house. You got

18:28

like 200 miles of bush until you'll

18:30

hit like service roads or rigs and

18:32

stuff. Yeah, there's not a lot of

18:34

settlements up from here, north of here

18:37

really. So we were up there probably

18:39

three, two or three miles north of

18:41

his house, there's some cut lines and

18:43

stuff, and then there's actually a couple

18:45

fields knocked back way up in there,

18:47

like meadows almost. So we were looking

18:49

for track for elk and whatnot, and

18:52

we come around this one corner and

18:54

the cut line gets kind of narrow

18:56

and it look kind of soggy. So

18:58

he was actually worried he might get

19:00

stuck. So I volunteered the, I was

19:02

on the back of the quad with

19:04

him. So I hopped off to just

19:06

see how moist it was because it

19:09

looked kind of muskegee. So I was

19:11

walking in front and I get up

19:13

40, 50 yards in front of the

19:15

quad. And all of a sudden I

19:17

noticed these trackways that don't look like

19:19

nothing I've ever seen. I've been hunting

19:21

since I was 12 years old. But

19:24

yeah, I wasn't really sure what I

19:26

was. But the weirdest part of the

19:28

whole thing was the spacing between the

19:30

two, that's what kind of really put

19:32

me on edge, was because there's one

19:34

print plain as day, but like four,

19:36

four and a half feet in front

19:38

is the next one. And there's no

19:41

other tracks around, and then you look

19:43

up the next one, you look up

19:45

the next one, you could follow it

19:47

for about, I want to say, 15

19:49

or 20 paces, and he's in his

19:51

50s. Yeah, I kind of threw him

19:53

through a loop too, like big time

19:56

hunter and he's like, I've never seen

19:58

any of this. This is crazy. la

20:00

dee la di da. so.

20:02

actually we went back the next

20:04

day and I casted couple of

20:06

them and still have them Yeah,

20:09

I'm looking at this print. You

20:11

guys did a good job at casting

20:13

this print. And I mean, it's...

20:15

Right next to your foot or someone's foot. And

20:18

if anyone wants to check

20:20

it out, go to chronicles calm

20:22

Underneath this episode, I'll post

20:24

the picture. How

20:26

big do you think that print actually was? I

20:29

think on the tape measure between 14 and

20:31

15 inches for the length and the

20:33

width was 6 or 7 inches for the

20:36

width on that. Yeah,

20:38

so many encounters come out of

20:40

Alberta. I've talked to so many,

20:42

so many Canadians from there. And

20:45

it's probably my favorite province because

20:47

I know at the best geography

20:49

anyway, because I have spoken to

20:51

so many Canadians there. but But, so

20:53

you know, when you find this

20:55

print, are you thinking Sasquatch or

20:58

are you thinking like, this is

21:00

some guy with big feet that doesn't have

21:02

his shoes on. Well, at

21:04

the start confusion because I was trying to work

21:06

it out, thinking maybe a double grizzly step

21:08

or something because there's a few up in the

21:10

area, but. as you look closer, you can see

21:12

it's one continuous track. It's not a double print.

21:14

And then also the fact that there's... one

21:17

print, the next print, the next print, they're

21:19

spaced out so far. And up here, it's

21:21

like. You can talk about,

21:23

big like not common to talk about

21:25

big but you're not gonna get like

21:27

at publicly or anything. because I think

21:29

most people up here have had

21:31

seen maybe something or they've heard of

21:33

someone who's seen something. so it's not

21:35

as taboo up here really Yeah,

21:38

definitely that. Canadians are pretty open

21:40

about it. I think it's because

21:42

of the long history. I mean,

21:44

the whole term sasquatch actually comes

21:46

from Canada, from the Sahelish people,

21:48

But but you know, I know

21:50

they didn't call it Sasquatch, but

21:52

that's how we pronounced it and

21:54

we just kind of went with

21:56

it. On this trip, you guys

21:58

find these tracks And and

22:00

again, the admire the fact that you

22:02

guys cast Sam. but did anything else

22:04

happen on this trip? Nothing

22:07

on on that trip. No, then, yeah, and

22:09

then really we didn't really have any

22:11

more there, there although I

22:13

didn't go hunting around there much for

22:15

the next couple the next on this of years.

22:17

And then just on when we had

22:19

the encounter that we did. we had the

22:21

All right. So did. All right, so I'll

22:23

do like before, before, but to

22:25

it. up to it. So this the

22:28

day before Thanksgiving. Me

22:30

mean, well, we're gonna smoke

22:32

a brisket for Thanksgiving, so... so

22:35

we bought one the day before. then

22:37

we went out to that property.

22:39

property because he owns like a

22:41

butcher shop sort of thing. Like

22:43

he has butchering sort of thing.

22:45

and Like he has butchering supplies a smoke

22:47

house, so a smoke out, so. to

22:50

We went over to his shop, no one's living

22:52

there, right? the the guy

22:54

who's living there, he got sick. sick. and

22:56

he was going for for like, I I don't

22:58

know, maybe a month, a month, so been there for a

23:00

month. there for a month. like we go

23:02

over there. we go over the smoke the think

23:05

we started at I think we right? at

23:07

And then, right? And then, so

23:09

Wilhelm was in the shop. was in the shop

23:12

and the was smoking was smoking no

23:14

service inside the shop so I

23:16

just stayed in my truck. I just stayed

23:18

I was parked and I was parked

23:20

and back of my my trucks

23:23

like the woods, right? woods, right? And

23:25

anyways. like he's inside. I'm I'm on

23:27

my my phone like listening to music

23:29

and stuff. and and the whole

23:31

time. the whole time it it just felt like, I

23:33

don't know I know, I just had this weird

23:35

feeling, man, like. man like I was just looking over

23:37

my shoulder the entire time. the in my

23:39

truck. time in my truck and not usually

23:42

like out by. out by Stuff like that,

23:44

you know, you know like just just because we don't

23:46

sound too far away, like it never

23:48

bothered me sort of thing. me sort

23:50

of thing whole time out there, out

23:52

there like I I was just. Always looking

23:54

over my shoulder. like I just had a a

23:56

out feeling and then we wrapped up

23:58

at around around three three of them and then we

24:00

went back to my place, put in

24:03

the oven, like went to bed and

24:05

cooked it. And then the next day,

24:07

like Thanksgiving Day, we went back out

24:10

there to cut up the brisket with

24:12

his meat slicer and like back you

24:14

can seal everything and stuff. So the

24:16

next day we went back at like

24:19

2 p.m. and Waylon's inside cutting the

24:21

brisket. Well, we both are and I

24:23

had to go charge my vape because

24:26

it died. So I went out to

24:28

my truck. And when I plugged it

24:30

in, I looked up and looked up

24:32

and across the road, where there's a

24:35

gravel road at the end of his

24:37

driveway, and there's a, there's like a

24:39

farm, like a farmer's junk, like junk

24:42

stuff that he has, like, he has

24:44

like old vehicles and there's a trailer

24:46

without its siding on, so it has

24:48

like white tie par showing, and you

24:51

can kind of see all that stuff

24:53

behind the trees. And when I looked

24:55

up, I noticed. something black moving in

24:58

the trees like there's a little like

25:00

triangle opening and the only reason I

25:02

saw it is because it was in

25:04

front of the the building so it

25:07

really stood out and it looked like

25:09

it looked like a head peeking out

25:11

behind a tree and going back in

25:14

and out and in so like and

25:16

there is no wind that day it

25:18

was the only thing moving I was

25:20

like huh what's that? So I'm looking

25:23

at it for a bit, looking at

25:25

it for a bit, I'm probably standing

25:27

there for like five minutes looking at

25:30

this. And then Whaling comes and finds

25:32

me, he's like, hey, like, are you

25:34

gonna come come and help me? I

25:36

go like, dude, what is that? And

25:39

he looks over and he's looking at

25:41

it, he's like, I don't know, and

25:43

I'm thinking myself like, like, The people

25:46

that own that place like I thought

25:48

it was people moving stuff in inside

25:50

and outside of the trailer Like I

25:52

I thought there was a deck like

25:55

on that side of the building because

25:57

that's how high up it was. That's

25:59

the only thing I could think of

26:02

like, oh it has to be someone

26:04

moving stuff inside and outside of this

26:06

building. I was probably like 120 yards

26:08

away from it. And so Whaling came

26:11

out, we're both looking, we're both like

26:13

120 yards away from it. And so

26:15

Whaling came out, we're both looking at

26:18

it, he's like, yeah, that is weird.

26:20

He goes back and then going back

26:22

in. and then I wave like I

26:24

waved at it because it looks like

26:27

I don't know like someone kind of

26:29

looking at me or something so I

26:31

waved at it and after I waved

26:34

at it this thing started rocking man

26:36

all the way out into the opening

26:38

and then all the way in it

26:40

looked like ahead just all the way

26:43

out all the way in all the

26:45

way out all the way in and

26:47

I've heard on your show before people

26:50

have seen them doing that rocking thing

26:52

and I thought like I thought myself

26:54

like is this what I'm looking at

26:56

but I couldn't really believe it because

26:59

that that property isn't like way way

27:01

out in the bush or anything like

27:03

I figured like if I'm gonna see

27:06

something weird it's going to be like

27:08

an hour in the bush when I'm

27:10

like doing oil field work or something

27:12

you know so I I really like

27:15

dismissed it and just made up other

27:17

ideas of what I saw right? I'm

27:19

like, huh? It just looked like a

27:21

silhouette. Like, it just looked like a

27:24

silhouette of a head, a head in

27:26

a shoulder. Yeah, like when I saw

27:28

it, you could see like a head

27:31

in a shoulder almost peaking out. And

27:33

at the time, like, there's quite a

27:35

few people who'll go around to old

27:37

yards and try to like pick stuff

27:40

up. So I thought maybe there was

27:42

like, maybe like a junkie or something

27:44

hanging out like. going through the house

27:47

because it's an old derelict house out

27:49

there maybe trying to find something worth

27:51

anything to take. So I just thought

27:53

maybe it's that I'll go see on

27:56

the way out when we're leaving because

27:58

I just had to get this. meet,

28:00

cut up, and kayak, and everything, packaged

28:03

up. So I was like, oh, slow

28:05

down when we go by and see

28:07

if someone's got like a little car

28:09

or something hidden in there, because, yeah,

28:12

don't really want them hanging around the

28:14

property out there. So when we went

28:16

to pull out, I pulled up, and

28:19

there's just like, like an approach and

28:21

the grass since this old derelict yard

28:23

is like, I don't know, knee high

28:25

almost, and there's no tracks, no nothing.

28:28

And that's what I kind of like,

28:30

that's kind of weird, that's kind of

28:32

weird. At the time, when Reno came

28:35

back in after he saw it really

28:37

started swaying, I didn't know about that

28:39

until like that night when we got

28:41

back to the house, he's like, oh

28:44

yeah, that thing started really moving when

28:46

I was looking at it. And I

28:48

was like, oh shit. But yeah, so

28:51

then we went back the next day

28:53

and gauged the height and whatnot, because

28:55

I was like, huh, that's weird. So

28:57

I got him to drive back to

29:00

the shop where we were standing. and

29:02

then I stuck my arm all the

29:04

way up and he said he could

29:07

just barely see my hand through that

29:09

gap because there's a fairly large gap

29:11

where the two trees bowed open made

29:13

an opening and I'm six foot four

29:16

and when I was standing on that

29:18

I was probably another foot in the

29:20

air and then my arm up maybe

29:23

another two so you're talking like nine

29:25

nine and a half feet up yeah

29:27

that thing's huge man now it makes

29:29

a lot of sense why Reno thought

29:32

it was standing on a deck Are

29:34

you guys closer to Wood Buffalo or

29:36

are you more on the Peace County

29:39

side? Fairly close to the Peace River,

29:41

north of the Peace River, up in

29:43

that area, but like we're fairly close

29:45

to the British Columbia border. Like we're

29:48

about an hour away from that. So

29:50

it's not really central Alberta. It's like

29:52

north-western Alberta. And so Waylon you were

29:55

basically think it was some weirdo out

29:57

there and it wasn't it was it

29:59

until Reno kind of told you what

30:01

he had seen of it swaying from

30:04

side to side and You know kind

30:06

of realizing how big it is is

30:08

kind of when you were like oh

30:11

maybe this was a Sasquatch. Yeah pretty

30:13

much right like it was later on

30:15

when all of a sudden I just

30:17

dismissed it instantly didn't think much I

30:20

had other stuff on my mind at

30:22

that moment and yeah after we got

30:24

back and he mentioned that and I

30:27

was like oh you actually saw it

30:29

sway out he's like yeah I'm like

30:31

huh I kind of wondered how high

30:33

that is then we went back and

30:36

after seeing how it was I was

30:38

like yeah okay there It definitely wasn't

30:40

a person because there's nowhere to stand

30:43

in there. Like I had to stand

30:45

on the back of this truck and

30:47

lean all the way out and stretch

30:49

my arm all the way out and

30:52

up and then he could barely see

30:54

it in the one corner of that

30:56

opening. So it's not like someone had

30:58

a 45 gallon drum out there and

31:01

was standing on the top of it

31:03

peeking around. And where you saw the

31:05

track line and you guys have got

31:08

those casts and now you're on this

31:10

property, are they kind of close to

31:12

each other? Yeah, no, so like this

31:14

farmyard area is actually my older gentleman

31:17

who I hunted with, it's his property.

31:19

He recently built a nicer property somewhere

31:21

else, so this is just kind of

31:24

like his shop and stuff. His newer

31:26

property doesn't have a shop, so he

31:28

goes out there right now and then

31:30

to do stuff, but no one really

31:33

stays out there. So when we were

31:35

hunting north of this place, it was

31:37

that place. It was about two, three

31:40

miles north of this place is where

31:42

we were hunting. This yards like there

31:44

like yard where this all happened is

31:46

probably 50 yards from the gravel road

31:49

and then the ditch and then there's

31:51

probably Five yards of trees like it's

31:53

not super thick, but it's not really

31:56

open either and Yeah, so looking around

31:58

there. There's not a lot of undergrowth

32:00

around them trees, but then when you

32:02

get a little bit off the trees

32:05

into the yard. It's all knee-high grass

32:07

and we went back. You couldn't really

32:09

see a trackway or anything like there

32:12

was one little gear path which was

32:14

just kind of the grass pushed out

32:16

of the way where you can see

32:18

maybe a couple of deer a moose

32:21

or something walk through there and I

32:23

mean it could have took that path.

32:25

but I did not see any definitive,

32:28

like its own trackway or its own

32:30

tracks or anything. There's nothing really there

32:32

to see in that aspect. I gotcha,

32:34

so you guys actually looked around for

32:37

any other evidence. Let me ask you,

32:39

Reno, I mean, when you saw this

32:41

creature, you waved at it and it

32:44

started swaying. I kind of think that's

32:46

like nervous behavior. When I waved at

32:48

it, I think it did nothing for

32:50

a little bit, then it started swaying.

32:53

Swang all the way into the opening

32:55

then all the way out and all

32:57

the way in and then all the

33:00

way out like Maybe it's like new

33:02

I saw it and then it started

33:04

doing that but It was definitely weird

33:06

and like it was on Thanksgiving So

33:09

another thing that went through my mind

33:11

was like all right, so maybe let's

33:13

just say this this might be a

33:16

crackhead scoping out buddy's yard for stuff

33:18

to steal but why are you wearing?

33:20

all black, you know, and why are

33:22

you all the way up in a

33:25

tree? And when I waved, you know,

33:27

if that was a person, like, oh,

33:29

hey, I'm caught, you know, you're not

33:32

going to start swaying back and forth,

33:34

you know. Yeah, and you know, Canadians

33:36

are pretty cool. I mean, if you

33:38

say, hey, I'm over here, you wave,

33:41

you know, they're going to wave back

33:43

to you, even someone who maybe doesn't

33:45

belong there. he would have been like,

33:48

oh, you know, I've been seen and

33:50

take off. This property that you guys

33:52

saw this creature on, have you talked

33:54

to your friend, the guy that actually

33:57

owns it, and asked him if he

33:59

had actually seen anything on this property

34:01

before? No, no, he hasn't seen anything

34:04

weird or anything like that, but we

34:06

told him about it, he's like, huh?

34:08

And he believed us and stuff, but

34:10

he's an old hunter from way back,

34:13

so even back that day, he'd seen.

34:15

a finger too and he had friends

34:17

who'd seen a finger too and there's

34:20

one fell up here. or even started

34:22

trying to document, he was a well-off

34:24

fellow from up here, and he actually

34:26

got very into the subject, and he's

34:29

one of the property owner's friends of

34:31

ours. And yeah, he actually made like

34:33

a documentary on the subject because he

34:35

had quite a few encounters, maybe two

34:38

or three up in this area. It

34:40

makes me wonder if it was just

34:42

kind of passing through, and it was

34:45

just a chance encounter of seeing one,

34:47

and it got curious on what... you

34:49

know, Reno was doing over by the

34:51

truck, or maybe it spelled that brisket.

34:54

Yeah, right, right. It's hard to say.

34:56

I wouldn't think there'd be any, I

34:58

mean, they could hang around this area,

35:01

like there's a lake not four or

35:03

five hundred yards south of the property,

35:05

like a fairly good size little lake,

35:07

and then yeah, there's moose, deer, elk,

35:10

everything all over up here. Yeah, is

35:12

that the slave lake? No, it's not

35:14

that big of a lake. It's like,

35:17

oh, what the heck is it called?

35:19

I think it's called Black Duck Lake

35:21

or something like that. It's a smaller

35:23

lake, like it's nothing you can ever

35:26

go to. It only takes up maybe

35:28

140 acres, maybe less. It's more like

35:30

a swamp. I gotcha. Yeah, I guess

35:33

Slave Lake is kind of more in

35:35

the middle of Alberta. Let me ask

35:37

you, Rino. You know, I know what

35:39

you saw was kind of a glance

35:42

and, you know, it's moments like these

35:44

that really make you look into the

35:46

subject. I ask everyone on the show,

35:49

what do you think Sasquatch is? What's

35:51

your take, man? Honestly, man, I have

35:53

no idea. Like, I used to think

35:55

that they're just an ape, you know,

35:58

undiscovered ape. Just an animal. I have

36:00

no idea. Like, I always just thought

36:02

he was an animal. Always, but then

36:05

I started listening to your podcast, right?

36:07

And some of the stories... Like, it

36:09

makes me question it because why would

36:11

these people come on and make up

36:14

these crazy stories? Like, that's not happening,

36:16

right? So, I don't know, I think

36:18

there's more stuff to it than just

36:21

an ape. Yeah, you and me both,

36:23

Reno, you know, it's one of those

36:25

things to where I really want it

36:27

to be an ape, but then you

36:30

hear... all these bizarre things that go

36:32

on over and over and over again

36:34

and you know you're hearing from hunters

36:37

and you know it's like are you

36:39

sure that was glowing eyes are you

36:41

sure that that wasn't eyes shine and

36:43

you know I wasn't there but you

36:46

hear that sort of stuff over you

36:48

know it's one example you hear it

36:50

over and over and over again and

36:53

it makes you wonder man you know

36:55

and even when you talk to some

36:57

of your first nations people much like

36:59

our native Americans you don't quite get

37:02

So much of a clear picture of

37:04

it being just an animal. Some tribes

37:06

will say that, but most tribes kind

37:09

of have this weird stuff that goes

37:11

on with these creatures as well. It's

37:13

so hard to say. What about yourself,

37:15

Whalen? What do you think that they

37:18

are? Well, yeah. I've heard lots of

37:20

stories, some things that just don't really

37:22

add up to it being strictly a

37:25

flesh and blood creature. And also like

37:27

the natives up here, they call these

37:29

creatures scook them like animals with power,

37:31

but like not an animal like something

37:34

more than an animal. But yeah, like

37:36

scook them like medicine, right? So I

37:38

don't know. I actually believe that they

37:41

are, yes, they are physical, but maybe

37:43

they're somehow tied into interdimensional things. I'm

37:45

something more than we can grasp at

37:47

the current, current moment is what I'm

37:50

thinking it is. Which pretty much the

37:52

same thing, but uh... Yeah,

37:54

if I had to take a guess

37:56

I'd probably say that. Like I truly

37:58

believe these things can be. shot and

38:01

they can't bleed. But I also think

38:03

like I've heard stories people having trails

38:05

and all of a sudden they vanish

38:07

and no one knows. Yeah there's even

38:09

a lot of places here in the

38:11

Pacific Northwest called Skukam and some tribes

38:14

do call them skukam. It's interesting you'd

38:16

mention it meant medicine. I always thought

38:18

it meant like large size or strong

38:20

and brave. I mean I could be

38:22

wrong. I was always under the impression

38:24

that's what that word meant. but maybe

38:27

it has different meanings. Every dialects a

38:29

little different on their direct interpretations, but

38:31

how I was always explained it by

38:33

like my uncles and relatives who were

38:35

more native is that it meant like

38:37

power, strength, something along those lines, but

38:40

something like more than physical. Like they'd

38:42

say when to go is scookum or

38:44

sasquach, just scook them like creatures of

38:46

power, sort of. Yeah, I just looked

38:48

it up. You're right. It does have

38:50

different meanings. You know, it doesn't mean

38:53

like little man here in Washington or

38:55

in the States anyway, but all the

38:57

meetings are kind of the same. This

38:59

property that you guys went to, is

39:01

it something you have plans on going

39:03

back? Is it an area where, you

39:05

know, you guys go for Thanksgiving there

39:08

in Canada? No, it's actually close to

39:10

our family. It's placed, like, like, it's...

39:12

I don't know, maybe seven or eight

39:14

miles from our folks' place. And also,

39:16

our buddy stays out there every now

39:18

and then, like, our buddy who owns

39:21

a property has a friend who stays

39:23

out there every now and then, and

39:25

sometimes we go over and visit him

39:27

if he was up. But other than

39:29

that, yeah, we don't really go out

39:31

there for any occasion. And it's really,

39:34

it's just every now and then, if

39:36

our friends stand out there, we'll swing

39:38

by, or yeah, sort of that situation

39:40

or if we have to use. because

39:42

they got like meat set up in

39:44

the shop for processing and eat like

39:47

a big smoker a big grinder big

39:49

bad and saw and stuff. So if

39:51

we were hunting, we might go out

39:53

there and process our animal there. And

39:55

I know you guys went back to

39:57

do measurements and stuff, but with it

40:00

being so close to your property, have

40:02

you gone back since then? Yeah, yeah,

40:04

no, we've gone back quite a few

40:06

times, probably half dozen times since. Not,

40:08

and we haven't seen anything really, as

40:10

of late. So I'm assuming whatever this

40:13

creature was, it wasn't. hanging around at

40:15

least, maybe got drawn in by the

40:17

smell of the smoke that night when

40:19

we were smoking that meat all night?

40:21

That's why I think, like, I think

40:23

it was drawn in by what was

40:26

going on, like the smoke or whatever.

40:28

I had that weird feeling, kept looking

40:30

over my shoulder the whole time, so

40:32

I kind of think that something was

40:34

watching from the woods. And there's no,

40:36

like, like, buddy, he took his dogs

40:39

down to his other property. So there,

40:41

there's literally no dogs there. no one

40:43

there for like over a month and

40:45

then I think the next day was

40:47

just curious to see what we're doing

40:49

there if I had a guess. Yeah

40:51

that makes some more sense I agree

40:54

with you Reno I think that's what

40:56

brought it in and you know maybe

40:58

it was passing through but maybe it

41:00

wasn't because we guys got those prints

41:02

was not far away from this place

41:04

but I'm kind of with you I

41:07

think maybe the smell of the food

41:09

brought it in and the encounter doesn't

41:11

shock me one bit like I said

41:13

before I've had so much come out

41:15

of Alberta and it has a long

41:17

history down there. You guys have got

41:20

Banff, you guys got Jasper, I mean

41:22

there's a long history of Sasquatch there

41:24

in Canada, especially where you guys are

41:26

at, you know, a little bit further

41:28

south, but you know, as far as

41:30

historically, but nowadays, it's more up in

41:33

your guys' area. I would love to

41:35

know if you guys go back and

41:37

check on the property and... If anything

41:39

else happens. Yeah, for sure. Well, definitely,

41:41

it'll be the first person who knows

41:43

if we see something. else

41:46

up here. Well I Well,

41:48

I appreciate it,

41:50

fellas. And I appreciate

41:52

you guys coming

41:54

on, coming on. Reno thank you

41:56

Thank you so much

41:59

for coming on,

42:01

man. man really chatting with

42:03

you. with you. Yeah Yeah,

42:05

right on Thanks for

42:07

having me. having me like

42:09

know my encounter

42:12

wasn't as creepy or

42:14

extravagant as other

42:16

peoples, but, you know,

42:18

I saw something, I

42:21

listened to your podcast. I

42:23

thought you might want to hear

42:25

might the prints and stuff. Prince

42:27

glad so I was glad you took you took to

42:29

get me on on here. No, thank

42:31

you for taking the time

42:33

to come on. come on. You You

42:35

know, it's most encounters are like this,

42:37

kind of what you and

42:39

your brother experienced. And, kind you

42:41

know, and you know every show hearing hearing

42:43

where on the on the edge

42:45

of being killed, should you should

42:47

probably start questioning what I'm doing

42:49

because it's it's not Yes, Yes, those

42:51

encounters happen But you know most you know,

42:53

most encounters are like what

42:55

you and your brother experienced. But

42:58

I I appreciate it. thanks

43:00

so much so much for

43:02

coming on. Yeah, for sure, for

43:05

sure, man. Thanks for having

43:07

me. me. It's of last of

43:09

last there. But to be I

43:11

appreciate on my spin on

43:13

Yeah, I I saw and telling

43:15

my Yeah, absolutely. and whatnot. Yeah, absolutely.

43:17

Americans are rooting for

43:19

you, Canada. Canada. This is rooting

43:21

for you. for you. Next

43:44

up on show, I

43:47

I absolutely. to welcome welcome

43:49

Angel thanks for coming

43:51

on. for Thank you.

43:53

Thank you. and you

43:56

had this encounter in

43:58

2013 Georgia. kind of

44:00

If you would kind

44:02

of start from

44:05

the beginning, what were you

44:07

you doing? and what happened? At

44:09

the time I was married it was

44:11

me and my husband and his parents

44:14

and my mom we were all up

44:16

what they called the upper field where

44:18

they had their watermelons and pumpkins planted

44:20

and we had gone up there to

44:23

check on everything because my father-in-law had

44:25

been having issues with he thought work

44:27

out he's getting into his pumpins and

44:29

like just splitting them in half. So

44:32

we all went up there to check

44:34

on those and they ended up having

44:36

to put a scarecrow up thinking that

44:39

it was the coyotes. We were all

44:41

standing around talking and we just, me

44:43

and my mom were standing there talking

44:45

and Mother-in-law too and we heard like

44:48

a tree fall and I made the

44:50

comment, I wonder if that's a Bigfoot

44:52

knocking a tree over and my mother-in-law

44:54

at the time just laughed it off

44:57

like ha-ha, those things don't exist, you

44:59

know. And the property borders the wildlife

45:01

management in the area. you know there's

45:03

been sightings before in that area and

45:06

they just blew it off I didn't

45:08

but I really didn't talk about it

45:10

because you know when you believe in

45:12

somebody else doesn't believe then it kind

45:15

of raises that that boundary and I

45:17

was just like I'm not even going

45:19

to pursue it anymore I'm not going

45:21

to say anything else about it and

45:24

then We just went on about our

45:26

business, but my father and all at

45:28

the time couldn't figure out like what

45:30

was getting into his pumpkins because it's

45:33

not like it was a bear or

45:35

a coyote. It's like something was taking

45:37

it and just splitting them apart and

45:39

eating the insides out of them. And

45:42

I told them too. I said, well,

45:44

if it was like a bear or

45:46

a coyote, they would like be bite

45:49

marks, not like somebody takes it with

45:51

their hands and pulls it apart. That's

45:53

what it looked like, like somebody was

45:55

pulling an apart and something was eating

45:58

the insides and just leaving the rind

46:00

of the pumpkin. And there were several

46:02

times that that happened with their watermelons

46:04

too, and I was just like, this

46:07

isn't normal. This isn't something that a

46:09

coyote or a bear would do. This

46:11

has to be something else. But it

46:13

never really dawned on me that, you

46:16

know, it could have possibly been a

46:18

big foot. That never really dawned with

46:20

me until the day we heard the

46:22

tree fall. And then another incident that

46:25

happened fairly close to that, like within

46:27

a couple weeks on their property, on

46:29

their property where they live. When those

46:31

two encounters happened, I was kind of

46:34

like, yeah, we've got we've got something

46:36

going on here. Yeah, and that's interesting

46:38

with regard to the pumpkins and watermelons.

46:40

I can't think of too many other

46:43

things that would do that. Tell me

46:45

about the next incident before we get

46:47

to where you actually saw the creature.

46:49

The second incident had happened, me and

46:52

my mom and husband at the time

46:54

was coming home, and I want to

46:56

say we were coming home from church,

46:58

but I can't really honestly remember, but

47:01

I do know we were coming home

47:03

from church or town or somewhere, and

47:05

it had been raining on this incident.

47:08

The second incident, it was raining, and

47:10

we had pulled in, and where we

47:12

lived, his cousin lived in the house

47:14

next to us, and we stayed in

47:17

the mobile home behind it, and his

47:19

cousin ran out with a gun. shooting

47:21

towards their chicken coop and he's like,

47:23

did y'all see that? And I was

47:26

like, I didn't see it at the

47:28

time. I said, what was it a

47:30

bear? He said, no, a bear doesn't

47:32

run on two legs like that. I

47:35

said, and what is it? He said,

47:37

some big hairy creature was trying to

47:39

get the chicken pen. Well, I didn't

47:41

think anything of it. We all went

47:44

in the house. Well, I had to

47:46

come back out, I think, I can

47:48

get my phone or phone charge and

47:50

get my phone charge or phone charge

47:53

or out of the car. And as

47:55

I went around the car, there was

47:57

a footprint and I had that footprint

47:59

in a picture on another phone and

48:02

I'm trying to get that phone charge

48:04

where I can get the footprint off.

48:06

And that was a footprint that I

48:08

will never forget. I even sent it

48:11

to my friends and I was like,

48:13

look at this huge footprint, like this

48:15

is not. This is not a normal

48:18

human footprint and I called my husband

48:20

at the time and his cousin over

48:22

and they're like I can't explain that

48:24

footprint and it's just I knew by

48:27

the footprint what it was and I

48:29

think at the time my husband at

48:31

the time I think he finally realized

48:33

that it was something to it more

48:36

than a bear or anything like that

48:38

But he just didn't want to say

48:40

anything in front of them because he

48:42

didn't want the harassment of him kind

48:45

of believing. It was like 14 inches

48:47

in length. And you could see the

48:49

toes, like the imprint of the toes,

48:51

was like you could really see that

48:54

this was not a human foot. And

48:56

I think when I sent you the

48:58

email, it was like 14 inches in

49:00

length and like 8 inches in width.

49:03

I mean, it was two of my

49:05

hands I could put beside it and

49:07

this footprint was bigger than both of

49:09

my hands put together. I will never,

49:12

and I, that's one time my boyfriend

49:14

is like, I wish I could get

49:16

that picture and send to you because

49:18

then that would make you understand really

49:21

how big this footprint was. Yeah, I

49:23

would love to see it. I know,

49:25

sometimes. I have old phones I can

49:28

even tell you where they're at but

49:30

for sure if you find it I

49:32

would love to see it and he

49:34

said that was your cousin that saw

49:37

the creature? It was actually my husband

49:39

at the time it was his cousin

49:41

that saw the creature because he ran

49:43

out of the house with his shotgun

49:46

shooting at it and I was just

49:48

like when we got there I was

49:50

like what's going on he's like y'all

49:52

didn't see that and I was like

49:55

no because the way their chicken coop

49:57

was set up it was behind a

49:59

tree. So I didn't really see, I

50:01

really didn't see the creature when we

50:04

pulled in, but then when I came

50:06

back out to the car to get

50:08

my phone is when I realized the

50:10

footprint, I was like, did he circle

50:13

by? the house and then come back

50:15

like he was going back towards the

50:17

chicken pen or did that footprint did

50:19

he walk up that way and we

50:22

just happened not to run over the

50:24

footprint because I mean the footprint there

50:26

was only one and it was just

50:28

as plain as day beside the car

50:31

and that's what I told my husband

50:33

at time I was like I can't

50:35

figure out if that footprint was there

50:38

and we just somehow didn't run it

50:40

over. Or maybe there was more there

50:42

and we just never looked for them

50:44

and maybe ran some over because the

50:47

way our yard was was like really

50:49

muddy. So there could have been more

50:51

footprints and we just didn't even think

50:53

to look because of all the excitement.

50:56

That property where they live is close

50:58

to John's Mountain. So both the encounters

51:00

we've had has been close to Fort

51:02

Mountain and John's Mountain. But these two

51:05

happen in Sugar Valley near the Johns

51:07

Mountain side. Yeah, it does kind of

51:09

make you wonder if it kind of

51:11

backtracked and came back or if those

51:14

prints were already there. How many years

51:16

later was it that you actually saw

51:18

the creature? It was the winner of

51:20

2003. I just about know it was

51:23

mid-December. My niece had actually moved down

51:25

from... I want to say Virginia or

51:27

Minnesota, she was living up there and

51:29

she had moved down and my mom

51:32

had actually lived in Murray County at

51:34

the time and we were leaving her

51:36

house. We had been over there all

51:38

day and we were actually heading back

51:41

to where the second incident happened, but

51:43

we had just turned. There was a

51:45

four-way stop and we had just turned

51:48

and my niece was driving and we

51:50

were just talking like random conversation and

51:52

all of a sudden this thing. And

51:54

it was all of seven to eight

51:57

foot tall, leaped. And when I say

51:59

leaped, he didn't, he didn't miss a

52:01

beat over the road. He never touched

52:03

about the black. He just leaped out

52:06

in front of us. And my niece's

52:08

exact words was wholly blank. What was

52:10

that? And it scared her so bad

52:12

that she would not get out of

52:15

the car. She put the car in

52:17

part, jumped over the seat into the

52:19

passenger seat and told me you're driving

52:21

us home. And she, to this day,

52:24

will not talk about that incident. She

52:26

believes, but she will not talk about

52:28

it. It's definitely something you won't forget.

52:30

It was tall and definitely Harry. Harry.

52:33

And I mean, there's no human because

52:35

my brother tried to recreate the steps

52:37

and there's no way and he's six

52:39

foot three. There's no way that he

52:42

could recreate what me and her saw.

52:44

This thing was tall, hairy, dark brown,

52:46

and it was right at dusk like

52:48

when, you know, when it's just first

52:51

getting dark, but our headlights, you could

52:53

tell very clearly he just come up

52:55

out of the ditch. cross the road

52:58

and went out into the field and

53:00

was gone in a blink of an

53:02

eye. And it was it was definitely

53:04

something you won't forget. Makes me wonder

53:07

if it was the same one that

53:09

was actually trying to get into the

53:11

chicken coop. Did you and your former

53:13

husband's cousin, did you guys ever sit

53:16

down and kind of compare notes? We

53:18

didn't because... They don't believe and they

53:20

just would laugh it off and be

53:22

like, ha ha, you know, you're you're

53:25

exaggerating all this. My niece on the

53:27

other hand, she said, I wouldn't doubt

53:29

if that's what it was that was

53:31

trying to get in the chicken coop

53:34

that day because I had told her

53:36

the story after our signing and she's

53:38

like, I wouldn't doubt it. And you

53:40

know, if you do research all in

53:43

Gordon County, America County, there's been sightings

53:45

by other people. So I know they're

53:47

around here. You've just got to be

53:49

lucky enough to run into one. Was

53:52

there any more activity on the property

53:54

after you had actually seen it or

53:56

did it? It kind

53:58

of dropped off after

54:01

2013. 2013? Um, actually

54:03

we actually we had moved after

54:05

that and then shortly after that's

54:07

when we had divorced. So we

54:09

really, you know, after 2013, we

54:11

moved off that property. They

54:13

might still be They might

54:16

still be know. I don't know,

54:18

but not they are, they've not said

54:20

anything about I have not had have

54:22

not had any other encounters or anything

54:24

since then. And I've and

54:26

I've been hacking pretty frequently, so. So...

54:28

up till this past year and I'm

54:31

not had any more counters. more I

54:33

ever not but. I ever will, As far as

54:35

on that property, you know, know,

54:37

I don't know of anything. You

54:39

Yeah, I think any I think any

54:41

is kind is kind of a shock

54:43

to the system. you know when But you know

54:45

when it's happening on your property or, you know, I

54:47

know you know, I know you guys were in

54:49

a car but when it happens that close.

54:51

it kind of of hits different, it's

54:53

very eye eye opening. I ask everyone on

54:55

the show, the do you think do you think

54:57

What's your take? is? What's your take?

55:00

You know, I was talking to my boyfriend

55:02

about that and I honestly can't answer I you

55:04

know, I hear a lot of people say

55:06

they think know, I hear a lot of people say they Some

55:08

say they think a primate I honestly

55:10

don't know. it's I know they're

55:12

among us. don't know. I know know,

55:14

I think if you respect them, I

55:16

they respect you. them, they but I

55:18

honestly can't answer what they are. And I've

55:20

even researched trying to get answers and I

55:22

just, I can't

55:25

answer that honestly honestly with.

55:27

Yeah, it's so hard to say so hard

55:29

to say what they are. about

55:31

I was talking about this the

55:33

other day, I think on a member

55:35

show. But you you know, when the the

55:37

was discovered, I think it was

55:40

1902, I think it was 1902, would come

55:42

back would come back and they would have these

55:44

stories about, you know, this man

55:46

this man-like creature they would run into.

55:48

It wasn't a monkey. it It wasn't,

55:50

but But within those encounters, when

55:52

they came back, back. you never heard

55:55

of any weird stuff. stuff. People weren't

55:57

saying, while their eyes glowing or just

55:59

vanished. or so it's like when you get it's

56:01

like when you get something

56:03

like that, it's like, do do

56:05

you do with it there's just just

56:07

so many weird things with this

56:09

subject. But I really appreciate

56:12

you taking the time to come

56:14

on. I I really chatting with

56:16

you. with you thank you Thank you, thanks again

56:18

Thanks that's it for And that's it

56:20

for tonight, everyone. if if you've

56:22

had an encounter, shoot me

56:24

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56:26

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56:28

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