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2:11

And good evening everyone, welcome

2:13

to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm

2:16

Sean the Fort Chopforker, that's

2:18

Vance Nesbitt, Henry May, James

2:20

Baker, and Matt Arner here

2:22

tonight talking to you about

2:24

a very interesting subject that,

2:26

you know what, we've never

2:28

talked about on this show

2:30

before, ever. I think Henry

2:33

and the history of Sasquatch

2:35

Experience. No. Somebody's meat. That was

2:37

me. I apologize. Damn it, Vance.

2:39

Anyhow, as much as I love

2:42

hearing the sound of my own

2:44

voice, take me out. Now, you

2:47

know what it does to that,

2:49

right? Easy, pilgrim, easy. This is

2:51

my family show. Happy St. Patrick's

2:54

Day to everybody. Aaron Dobra. And

2:56

I hope you're all in this

2:58

great day here. Beautiful

3:01

day for most of us looks

3:03

like some of the severe weather

3:05

behind most of us and just

3:07

an apology to all our listeners

3:09

that we've been kind of absent

3:11

for the last few weeks I

3:14

think we've all been hit with

3:16

every kind of flu every kind

3:18

of stomach virus and every personal

3:20

thing we could go through the

3:22

last few weeks that's kind of

3:24

made it difficult for us all

3:27

to collectively join together and it's

3:29

always better. But as I was

3:31

getting into this saying, we've

3:33

never talked about this before.

3:35

And tonight we're going to

3:38

talk about shooting Bigfoot. We're

3:40

going to talk about the

3:42

Justin Smea incident. Actually, we

3:44

kind of spurned by watching

3:46

that great documentary of

3:49

the men who killed Bigfoot on

3:51

Smalltown Monsters, which is superbly

3:53

done video by Eli Watson

3:55

under the STM label. and

3:57

if you haven't got a

3:59

chance Check that out. So... Yeah, it's

4:01

only been out for a couple of

4:03

weeks now. Right, right, right. We got

4:05

a do our roll call. We got

4:08

Mr. Scott. There, Scott, good to see

4:10

you. Mr. Hyde, Mr. Steve, welcome. Kim.

4:12

If you plan a sasquatch and regularly

4:14

water it, does it grow a new

4:16

one? When you harvest it and can

4:18

tell when it's ripe. Well, if you

4:21

smell them enough, you can tell they're

4:23

ripe. That's right. And you got to

4:25

squeeze the tush. Oh, good. Yes, Grish,

4:27

by balance. And a roll call so

4:29

far. And of course, we've got other

4:31

folks that we can't see, but glad

4:33

you are here with us tonight. So Vance,

4:36

well, I guess before we get started, Matt,

4:38

did we want to talk about some

4:40

exciting stuff that we had going on?

4:42

And it's been kind of busy for

4:44

you and I in terms of intake.

4:47

It asks for Bigfoot sightings. So go

4:49

ahead, give us a little rundowndown on

4:51

that. Well, we actually had

4:53

a couple of reports

4:56

come in that were fresh.

4:58

And when I say fresh,

5:01

I mean, they were absolutely

5:03

fresh. So the first one,

5:06

we jumped on really, really

5:08

quick. And it was

5:10

actually... you know, the person had

5:12

reached out to other groups as well. And

5:14

next thing you know, after I think it

5:17

was 24 hours after we spoke to him,

5:19

it was blasted all over Facebook. So that

5:21

kind of killed our idea of going up

5:23

there and, you know, researching in that

5:26

specific area before it really hit the

5:28

public, but I was actually just

5:30

out there today out there today out

5:32

there today, it really hit the public,

5:34

but I was actually just out there

5:36

today out there today out there today

5:38

out there today out there today out

5:40

in that I didn't stop by

5:42

that specific area, but I

5:45

was out in Center County

5:47

earlier today. But the second

5:50

one's pretty interesting as well.

5:52

I'm still making coordination here

5:55

to do a phone interview

5:57

with the witness. He believes...

6:00

he saw something in his

6:02

backyard and he actually tested

6:04

a track that he found

6:06

that he found the very

6:08

next day. So we're, you

6:10

know, playing email tag right

6:12

now to try to set

6:14

up a time that we

6:16

can go up and see

6:18

him, check out the area.

6:20

It's just kind of strange.

6:22

I had been saying that

6:24

between January and March in

6:26

this particular area we seem

6:28

to have you know either

6:30

some sort of reports come

6:32

in and it really came

6:34

through it came through later

6:36

and that may have been

6:38

because of the you know

6:40

colder temperatures we actually had

6:42

a real winter this this

6:44

past winter so With the

6:46

very end of that, nothing's

6:48

really growing right now. We're

6:50

just starting to see the

6:52

growing season basically start, but

6:54

two weeks ago we had

6:56

really nothing going on. So,

6:58

you know, if anything's out

7:00

there looking for food, they're

7:02

going for... you know, the

7:04

easiest thing which would be,

7:06

you know, hitting maybe town

7:09

dumps or where this place

7:11

was, there was a hatchery

7:13

nearby, so interesting stuff. But

7:15

we collect the information, you

7:17

know, we have a friend

7:19

of ours that puts all

7:21

this into basically data format

7:23

and, you know, we'll use

7:25

that for, you know, trending

7:27

places absolutely checking these places

7:29

out in the future now

7:31

you and I did interview

7:33

the one witness by the

7:35

phone for an hour yes

7:37

and we had a really

7:39

good conversation but the hard

7:41

part of it came when

7:43

it was blasted all over

7:45

social media sure the exact

7:47

location by the way not

7:49

a general location yes and

7:51

that kind of really diminished

7:53

what Matt and I felt

7:55

we could get from it.

7:57

Now I think it's still

7:59

worthy to go out there

8:01

at some point, but I

8:03

think we chose to do

8:05

it after it calmed down

8:07

a little bit and I

8:09

had a foot thing going

8:11

on which prevented me from

8:13

getting out there easily. But

8:16

as the weather's warm up

8:18

a little bit, I think

8:20

maybe it's time we could

8:22

go down Matt, Matt, and

8:24

check it out. uh... when

8:26

it's died down a little

8:28

bit because i just feel

8:30

that if we go out

8:32

there now anything that we're

8:34

gonna we're gonna take away

8:36

could possibly be contaminated or

8:38

i happen so i haven't

8:40

told uh... from a friend

8:42

of mine that lives out

8:44

there that ever since that

8:46

report hit face book that

8:48

particular parking lot where uh...

8:50

where the witness that had

8:52

parked his truck has been

8:54

full day and night ever

8:56

since that report was posted.

8:58

So I'm sure there are

9:00

plenty of people going out

9:02

there, you know, just... Well,

9:04

it's frustrating for us. Yep,

9:06

absolutely. And you know, I

9:08

also reached out to the

9:10

BFRO investigator on Facebook, as

9:12

I sent a friend request,

9:14

which might be a little

9:16

off-putting, but I don't have

9:18

any other contact for him,

9:20

just to see if we

9:22

could, you know, share notes

9:25

or whatnot, and I've gotten

9:27

nothing back, but... I'm not

9:29

happy at all that the

9:31

area was just blasted like

9:33

that on social media and

9:35

some people should just know

9:37

better. This isn't one of

9:39

the situations where more boots

9:41

on the ground help. It's

9:43

really a lot more of

9:45

more people in that area

9:47

you're going to contaminate and

9:49

the witness was still very

9:51

gun-ho. He texted me yesterday

9:53

that he's back and is

9:55

still in I mean he's

9:57

still been in contact with

9:59

me mad I hadn't had

10:01

a chance to talk yet

10:03

so he's been regular contact

10:05

with me about it which

10:07

is you know telling in

10:09

terms of you know reliability

10:11

and credibility he's not trying

10:13

away and I don't think

10:15

our reservation was ever really

10:17

that this guy's not being

10:19

honest with us, I think

10:21

it's really just all of

10:23

a sudden we're going to

10:25

have all the saturation and

10:27

it's going to be useless.

10:29

And again, if we give

10:32

an area, and out of

10:34

respect for landowners, out of

10:36

respect for other people that

10:38

are there in the area,

10:40

we try, if we're going

10:42

to say something publicly, we're

10:44

not going to give that

10:46

exact, exact location. And I

10:48

mean, this was put out

10:50

there as to what parking

10:52

lot he was at, what

10:54

stream he crossed, you know,

10:56

right down to the tree,

10:58

that the peak was made

11:00

from. So, you know, and

11:02

the one thing is is

11:04

that we're talking about an

11:06

area that's a mix of

11:08

both wooded area and farmland.

11:10

And so this patch of

11:12

woods, albeit, you know, larger

11:14

than what most people might

11:16

be used to, uh... is

11:18

still relatively small in that

11:20

patchwork uh... is so uh...

11:22

if there's if there was

11:24

anything that was there i'm

11:26

sure they're long gone right

11:28

right now and hopefully they

11:30

didn't get picked up in

11:32

the tornado that we just

11:34

had up there yeah right

11:36

up in the research area

11:39

yeah absolutely So that's our

11:41

research update guys just to

11:43

fill everybody in on what's

11:45

been going on I know

11:47

our patrons have been a

11:49

little active too But we're

11:51

going to be bumping that

11:53

back up now as we're

11:55

getting more out there. We

11:57

got a lot going on

11:59

Again this spring into the

12:01

falls we get ready for

12:03

the Ohio Bigfoot Conference less

12:05

than just a little over

12:07

a month away now at

12:09

this point ED all of

12:11

us going to be there

12:13

three about six weeks live

12:15

and in color We're going

12:17

to be having a good

12:19

old time so Check us

12:21

out, hit us up, we'll

12:23

be there. So Vance, this

12:25

was your show, this is

12:27

you wanted to hit this

12:29

topic, I'm gonna throw it

12:31

to you, I'm gonna let

12:33

you take us through this

12:35

very interesting situation. Yeah. Well,

12:37

let me start off by

12:39

making an analogy. I don't

12:41

know if any of you

12:43

gentlemen or are great listening

12:45

audiences ever had this type

12:48

of an experience. Let's say

12:50

you go to YouTube and

12:52

you see a video pop-up

12:54

of the greatest hits of

12:56

a certain year that really

12:58

affected you, like say for

13:00

me 1976. Oh, the greatest

13:02

hits of 1976. Oh, okay,

13:04

I'm kind of in a

13:06

nostalgic mood and let's, so

13:08

I hit play and we're

13:10

listening to some songs from

13:12

1976, and then a song

13:14

comes on and I'm like,

13:16

wait, I never heard this

13:18

one before. That's how I

13:20

felt about the Justin Smea

13:22

story. I never heard this

13:24

story before and I've been

13:26

involved in the Bigfoot community.

13:28

uh... for well over twenty

13:30

years now and i never

13:32

heard the story of the

13:34

man who shot bigfoot and

13:36

small town monsters came out

13:38

with a wonderful documentary like

13:40

you know shawm mentioned earlier

13:42

that eli watson narrated uh...

13:44

and edited by sef breed

13:46

love And so I'm watching

13:48

this and I'm like, wow,

13:50

this is really intriguing. And

13:52

so I watch the entire

13:55

documentary. Now, to be fair,

13:57

there's one thing about what

13:59

Seth does when he comes

14:01

out with his documentaries is

14:03

that he does not play

14:05

one side of the field

14:07

or the other. He plays

14:09

it right down the middle.

14:11

So he gives you the

14:13

pros and the cons. And

14:15

Eli did the same thing.

14:17

He's not saying this story

14:19

is... Factual story is giving

14:21

you the negatives and the

14:23

positives. So the video or

14:25

the documentary rather starts out

14:27

with when Justin shared his

14:29

story the negative feedback that

14:31

he got online of people

14:33

just calling him every name

14:35

in the book and being

14:37

a family friendly show I'm

14:39

not going to use some

14:41

of the profan or profound

14:43

language that was used to

14:45

call him but I was

14:47

like well this is kind

14:49

of interesting but I wasn't

14:51

there so I can't say

14:53

the guy is full of

14:55

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But there were three points

15:14

in the video that Eli

15:16

did with him and Eli

15:18

said the same thing. He's

15:20

not going to call this

15:22

a factual story or non-factual

15:24

story. They just did an

15:26

interview with Justin Smea on

15:28

his account. So I encourage

15:30

our entire listening audience to

15:32

go and watch the video

15:34

or the documentary from Small

15:36

Town Monsters because it was

15:38

so well done. It's very

15:40

well done. Just like everything

15:42

else that Small Town Monsters

15:44

puts out, it's a great

15:46

production. But this one I

15:48

found kind of fascinating because

15:50

I found three points that

15:52

left me scratching my head.

15:54

And I was like, I

15:56

have questions here. And I'll

15:58

start off with the first

16:00

one. And I don't want

16:02

to taint to anybody's version

16:04

if they haven't watched this

16:06

yet. But I just found

16:08

it kind of interesting. Justin.

16:11

goes through the story of

16:13

how they approached in a

16:15

Bronco in the Sierra mountains

16:17

and he grew up in

16:19

this environment. His father taught

16:21

him hunting and fishing so

16:23

he's part of this entire

16:25

environment and that brings about

16:27

a different personality to a

16:29

person altogether. When you grow

16:31

up in this environment you

16:33

know everything about it. He

16:35

grew up in this environment

16:37

and he grew up in

16:39

this environment and he stated

16:41

that They had tags for

16:43

deer and bear, but they

16:45

were in different areas to

16:47

go and hunt. So they

16:49

were in a deer tag

16:51

area, and they're often a

16:53

very remote area. Small town

16:55

monsters, Eli brought us into

16:57

the area. Justin brought us

16:59

to the area where he

17:01

said this encounter happened, where

17:03

he shot a bigfoot. Right.

17:05

Two of them, to be

17:07

precise. The first thing I

17:09

took away in watching the

17:11

documentary was he said that

17:13

Justin is in the passenger

17:15

seat of the Bronco. His

17:18

friend is driving the Bronco.

17:20

Justin sees this dark image

17:22

and assumes it's a bear

17:24

in the passenger seat. And

17:26

what he said, he

17:28

opened the door of

17:30

the Bronco and got

17:32

out and put aim

17:34

on the individual. Now,

17:36

Justin stated he shot

17:38

it with a rifle,

17:40

but Justin got out

17:42

of the truck and

17:44

on the small town

17:46

monsters documentary, he's doing

17:48

a bow action. He's

17:50

like, I've got it

17:52

in my sight. Well,

17:55

If you're recreating the account with

17:58

a rifle... Why are you doing

18:00

a bow action? Now he is

18:02

a bow hunter and a rifle

18:04

hunter, but this is exactly what

18:07

he did. Matt, I would say

18:09

to you, well, what happened? Well,

18:11

I drew my gun and in

18:13

your holding it as you're holding

18:16

a pistol a nine millimeter, whatever,

18:18

and I shot the guy because

18:20

he was approaching me. I don't

18:22

understand why he used the. symbology

18:24

of drawing a bow and arrow

18:27

when he shot it with a

18:29

rifle. And so I scratch my

18:31

hand and going, yeah, that doesn't

18:33

really seem right to me. Well,

18:36

now hold on a second there,

18:38

because that's okay. Before we jump

18:40

ahead, we hit some of these

18:42

points. Could it have just been

18:45

a natural reaction as he does

18:47

more bow hunting than rifle hunting?

18:49

You know, could it just be...

18:51

Just playing devil's advocate, right? Because

18:53

I think one of the problems

18:56

I have with the whole SMAA

18:58

situation is sometimes the evidence doesn't

19:00

add up with the story. And

19:02

so I think is this another

19:05

one of these situations? Because I

19:07

have to say, if he's made

19:09

this whole situation up and it's

19:11

a lie, he's a pretty damn

19:14

good liar. No, I totally agree

19:16

with you, and this is why

19:18

I started this off by saying

19:20

I don't know I wasn't there.

19:22

Well, none of us were, and

19:25

I think what's the hard part

19:27

about all this, because there is,

19:29

he does take you through the

19:31

story and he does try to

19:34

provide evidence. I mean, no, agreed.

19:36

Bake, I absolutely agreed. Bake, did

19:38

you want to point where we

19:40

jump? Hold on, Vance. I think

19:43

the key points of the story

19:45

is, if it is a made

19:47

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19:49

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Called anybody. Because the way

20:17

he tells us, he tells

20:19

it as a... Close to

20:21

your mic. I am a

20:24

deer and bear hunt. I

20:26

understand the... He kills two

20:29

of them, I believe. And

20:31

he explains why there wasn't

20:34

a... He explains, or he

20:36

explains, why they couldn't get

20:39

back... Like he had reason

20:41

why he did was, he

20:44

had people that we know,

20:46

experts, to back up a

20:49

lot of the clique, he

20:51

said by knowing. This is

20:54

true, then this would happen,

20:56

like, directly said, oh yeah,

20:59

100% belief. This is plausible.

21:01

The issue I have, the

21:04

story, isn't the story at

21:06

all. I think it's a

21:08

good story. His friend, it

21:11

looks like it happened. But

21:13

what I have problems with

21:16

is the documentary later, pedaling

21:18

and the way he feels

21:21

about researchers that kind of

21:23

turned me off. That's

21:27

a fair statement because I was

21:29

like 100% like he's got a

21:31

story he under but you could

21:34

tell that That story was prepped

21:36

like you and prep a

21:38

witness on the stand Matt You

21:41

know because he had this is

21:43

where it was at this is

21:45

where we hunted this is what

21:48

we usually like he did the

21:50

one thing we always asked for

21:53

he gave us the before the

21:55

middle and the after instead of

21:57

just giving us the five-second clip

22:00

Okay, and they were prepped.

22:02

So as far as the story...

22:04

I like the story. I even

22:07

believe, I love the way it

22:09

was presented. I love how small

22:11

towns monsters presented it. I love

22:14

the whole thing. What he did

22:16

like was the ending, and if

22:19

you've seen the video, it's only

22:21

about 45 minutes, and if you

22:23

Google it, you'll see it.

22:25

It's free. Excuse me. You will

22:28

notice near the end. He kind

22:30

of browns out and says, you

22:33

know, some things that are really

22:35

derogatory towards, well, I feel us.

22:37

You know. But I mean you

22:40

guys can continue but I just

22:42

wanted to put that in before

22:45

right to from no no and

22:47

that's completely fair That's completely

22:49

fair Yeah, I will go on

22:51

to my second point was When

22:54

this entire event happened to him

22:56

and he said he shot What

22:59

he believed to be an adult

23:01

male? and that he shot a

23:03

juvenile sometime later in the same

23:06

event. He did not have his

23:08

dog with him, but he brought

23:11

his hunting dog with him

23:13

to go try to recover the

23:15

juvenile which he said he buried

23:17

under a bush. Why was not

23:20

his hunting dog with him when

23:22

they went out on this expedition?

23:25

That didn't make sense to me.

23:27

And there may be a very

23:29

good explanation, I don't know. He

23:32

just said, yeah, I brought my

23:34

hunting dog out with me because

23:37

he can sniff out, you know,

23:39

these dead carcass and go pick

23:41

him out. But he didn't have

23:44

the dog with him during this

23:46

event. And then the last point

23:49

I'm going to make and then

23:51

I'll leave it up to everybody

23:53

else to make their analogy. He

23:56

said, once he shot the

23:58

juvenile, he picked it up. He

24:00

looked at it the partner that

24:03

he was with he kind of

24:05

threw it on the ground the

24:07

partner saw it They didn't know

24:10

what to do because they knew

24:12

the game war was at the

24:15

end of the trail on their

24:17

way out. Now, generally, game trails

24:19

as far as those individuals

24:21

are concerned, they will have a

24:24

dog with them to sniff out

24:26

whether you tagged a deer or

24:29

a bear or something else. Okay,

24:31

I understand that. So let's hide

24:33

the body. We can get out

24:36

of here and we'll come back

24:38

and retrieve it later when the

24:41

game warden is not there. So

24:43

he said they put the

24:45

juvenile under a bush. He physically

24:47

was showing on the documentary kicking

24:50

out dirt and covering it with

24:52

large debris and large rocks. Now

24:55

I understand that Dr. Meldrum and

24:57

Randall's went out there to investigate

24:59

this. And on the documentary, Justin

25:02

states, well, yeah, we covered it

25:04

with rocks like that one over

25:07

there, which was about maybe

25:09

10, 15 feet away. Where did

25:11

all the rocks go? Where did

25:13

all the large debris go that

25:16

they said they covered the juvenile

25:18

with? It wasn't there. I don't

25:21

see anybody picking up these big

25:23

rocks and moving them 20, 30

25:25

feet away to try to find

25:28

a juvenile body. It wasn't there.

25:30

So I, I, again, I was

25:33

left scratching my head going, well,

25:35

then where is all this debris

25:37

that you said you buried the

25:40

juvenile with? It's not there. So

25:43

I'm just going to leave it

25:46

at that. I'm not calling the

25:48

guy any of the names that

25:50

the internet called him. I wasn't

25:53

there, but it is like James

25:55

said, it's a fascinating story because

25:57

he did give very certain descriptions.

26:00

of what happened that is very

26:02

believable that when they spotted this

26:05

thing it stood up and put

26:07

its arms up and he took

26:09

a shot and hit it in

26:12

its left side and he said

26:14

boom you know you could see

26:16

the the debris of blood and

26:19

it was tripping and falling and

26:21

making its way off into the

26:24

woods and trying to make a

26:26

getaway and then he discovers two

26:28

juveniles that were chattering with each

26:31

other that seems to be a

26:33

pretty extreme story to just make

26:35

up out of the top of

26:38

your head as a Bigfoot story,

26:40

to do what? Become financially wealthy?

26:43

No, without any evidence, no, but

26:45

it's a fascinating story, it truly

26:47

is. And I'm not gonna sit

26:50

here and put Justin in the

26:52

BS artist, I'm just not gonna

26:54

do that. Well, I don't know

26:57

if he can, because I mean,

26:59

the reality is, well, I am,

27:02

there goes, I was gonna let's

27:04

hear it. Let's hear it. Let's

27:06

go, Henry. Here

27:09

is the reason

27:12

I think his

27:14

stories will shit.

27:17

Well, okay. This

27:19

is the reason

27:21

is because when

27:24

they act to

27:26

find the quote-unquote

27:28

remained as a

27:31

flesh, right? Yes.

27:33

Mm-hmm. Attended. They

27:36

said off to catch him who

27:38

said, oh, it must be Sasquatch.

27:40

Just arbitrarily out of the blue

27:43

says it must be Sasquatch because

27:45

everything to her is Sasquall. Right.

27:48

And she doesn't know what the

27:50

hell she's wing. Well, when that

27:52

sample was sent to Brian Sykes

27:55

and read his book The Nature

27:57

of the Beast, he talks all

27:59

about it. That sample turned out

28:02

to be from a bit. But

28:04

I think this is what I

28:07

think Justice Meade did. I got

28:09

two bits out of season probably

28:11

thought he'd get in short and

28:14

decided to cover it. And then

28:16

just, you know, and then decided

28:18

to claim that he shot two

28:21

saskwatch. That's what I think happened.

28:25

Well, that's a really good point

28:27

that you bring up, Henry, because

28:29

I didn't bring that up in

28:31

all this, that he said, yes,

28:34

I've got these, you know, these

28:36

flesh samples. He sent them off

28:38

to Randall's. He sent them off

28:40

to Meldrum, and he sent them

28:43

off, but yet nothing kind of

28:45

seemed to develop from that. whatsoever.

28:47

Well, like if you have this

28:49

flesh sample, something would have come

28:52

out of it. And, you know,

28:54

kudos to Randall's first stating what

28:56

he did. He stated, he didn't

28:58

know what to make of the

29:01

guy, but he went out there

29:03

and took him seriously, but he

29:05

didn't know what to make of

29:08

any of this, but nothing turned

29:10

up out of this. And I

29:12

appreciate and, you know, with him

29:14

working with the Olympic project. give

29:17

the guys the kudos working on

29:19

the Olympic project every single one

29:21

of those guys are so golden

29:23

staunch with me personally in their

29:26

research you know and with Corson

29:28

boy let me tell you these

29:30

guys are in it and they're

29:32

in it deep so if they

29:35

had any kind of evidence even

29:37

a strand of evidence I think

29:39

they would have brought it forward

29:41

but Nothing really came of any

29:44

of this. Well, go ahead, JB.

29:46

So, a couple of key points

29:48

you said earlier, which I tried

29:50

to get in, but then... happen.

29:53

You said about the dog. Well

29:55

the only reason I had a

29:57

dog the second time was is

30:00

because Meldrum knew a guy locally

30:02

that had dogs that could sniff

30:04

out blood and he called a

30:06

favor and to get the dogs

30:09

there. As far as as as

30:11

far as like the carcass and

30:13

things like that there were a

30:15

lot of inconsistency with that like

30:18

he cut off so much of

30:20

it. I honestly if I had

30:22

time to cut off some parts

30:24

I picked ahead. You know, and

30:27

brought it with me, but that's

30:29

me. Okay. Like, paper just cuts

30:31

off heads, just runs. You've already

30:33

committed, I'll go in a whole

30:36

way, man. Fair enough. Steve chemming

30:38

that shit. Where are the top

30:40

of your head? You are three

30:42

states, right? You ever watch Conair?

30:45

That makes complete sense. Yeah, no,

30:47

no. We, we get you. The

30:49

thing is, one thing he points

30:51

out that I know is true.

30:54

And forker knows is true. If

30:56

an animal dies in the woods,

30:58

even if you cover up, within

31:01

a week, coyotes, everything else, that

31:03

every carnivore in the planet is

31:05

going to rip a little piece

31:07

off and drag. Now as far

31:10

as the rocks and stuff like

31:12

that, the guy said, I dug

31:14

it, I grabbed as much stuff

31:16

as I could for 15 minutes.

31:19

You know, and he says it.

31:21

He did a shitty job. I

31:23

mean, he's right about it. What

31:25

I would say is the one

31:28

key that a lot of his

31:30

facts roll together and that's where

31:32

I say I kind of agree

31:34

That there were a lot of

31:37

easy facts, but I think we

31:39

need to remember is His story

31:41

covered a lot of things that

31:43

we that we like why didn't

31:46

they have a dog the second?

31:48

Why do you have a dog

31:50

sick time? Well, he explained and

31:52

like I said is I think

31:55

he tried to legitimize his story

31:57

by using the Olympic products but

31:59

project by using, you know It's

32:02

like people are attorney train time.

32:04

It's like it's like people who

32:06

say cliff pyramid. So this is

32:08

right. No, you had a drink

32:11

with bare men and he's not

32:13

an issue. Then right. the same

32:15

thing because i know right acknowledge

32:17

you have the same agreement i've

32:20

been in those meetings and there's

32:22

you know um but i think

32:24

Matt had some things to say

32:26

so i'm gonna shut up till

32:29

at least the whole horn go

32:31

ahead Matt well i mean i

32:33

don't know how much time we

32:35

have before the bullhorn but i

32:38

think what you need i'll plug

32:40

it in as soon as your

32:42

friend of Yeah, so here's where

32:44

I'm at. He has been consistent

32:47

through the years. And I have

32:49

followed this since the story, it

32:51

was, it came out as rumors

32:53

on the old, I think it

32:56

was the Bigfoot evidence page that

32:58

somebody had shot a Bigfoot and

33:00

they had. a part of the

33:03

carcass available. And through that, I

33:05

pretty much saw the story involved

33:07

in real time. And then we

33:09

got to meet who Justin was.

33:12

And there are some parts of

33:14

the story, though, that just kind

33:16

of give me the red flags

33:18

pop up. And Henry was really

33:21

eloquent in saying that He

33:23

was not out there to

33:25

hunt in a traditional ethical

33:27

manner. Yes, yes. So he

33:29

has a bear tag for

33:31

another part of the, another

33:34

part of the Sierras. He's

33:36

out there, he sees, you

33:38

know, one possibly two bears.

33:40

And what does he do?

33:42

He pops the shots off

33:44

from inside the truck. You

33:46

know, I mean, you know

33:48

we've been out you know

33:50

in the woods and and

33:52

you know even in Pennsylvania

33:54

you know people still do

33:56

that but I mean that

33:58

is like the most unethical

34:00

way to take an animal.

34:02

So especially when you don't

34:04

have a tag for that,

34:06

knowing that the fishing game

34:08

officer is at the end

34:10

of that trail pretty much

34:12

checking everyone coming off that

34:14

mountain. So he obviously shot

34:16

at something. The one thing

34:19

that gets me though is

34:21

when that uh... they called

34:23

the steak which was the

34:25

uh... the part of the

34:27

carcass that was that was

34:29

still uh... still there came

34:31

back just being bare and

34:33

as opposed to being anything

34:35

else and so did he

34:37

did he actually poach a

34:39

bear and this was just

34:41

his way of you know

34:43

perhaps he's i don't know

34:45

you know uh... i think

34:47

he has done a polygraph

34:49

if i'm not mistaken I

34:51

don't know, it's just, the

34:53

other thing too is, again,

34:55

as I saw this play

34:57

out in real time, there

34:59

were people that came back

35:01

to that, to that general

35:03

area. And one of probably

35:06

the better thermal images came

35:08

from Bartitino, who was in

35:10

that particular area where the

35:12

Shah, he was him and

35:14

Rosa Hobby. and they were

35:16

able to to get three

35:18

creatures on thermal that were

35:20

surrounding the campsite so I

35:22

don't know you know it

35:24

really really leaves me scratching

35:26

if it was to go

35:28

to court you know I

35:30

think you'd have a hung

35:32

jury out there. Well, I

35:34

think the one tell for

35:36

me, and then we're going

35:38

to go to the bullhorn,

35:40

then we'll come back, is

35:42

you know, Bart Catino, somebody

35:44

I've been acquainted with for

35:46

many years in this research,

35:48

you know, his take... on

35:50

it is the most important

35:53

to me. Because if anybody's

35:55

good, you know, he's got

35:57

a, he's real credential, he's

35:59

got a background in finance,

36:01

you know, which is a

36:03

world just full of bullshitters

36:05

and hucksters. And if he

36:07

can survive that and be

36:09

able to have integrity, which

36:11

BART does to no end,

36:13

I think he'd be pretty

36:15

good at sussing out the

36:17

bullshit of. of Jessen's mail.

36:19

And I think the problem

36:21

is when it becomes Bigfoot

36:23

it becomes more fantastical, right?

36:25

And you know I don't

36:27

agree with people calling him

36:29

a murderer and a killer

36:31

and because you know that's

36:33

just not, I don't know,

36:35

that's not beneficial or helpful

36:37

to anything. And he has

36:40

taken his beatings by the

36:42

way. Let's not say it's

36:44

been easy for Justin. I

36:46

don't want to climb on

36:48

that and continue it. And

36:50

it's just, what a mess.

36:53

Just, and the fact that

36:55

this happened in 2010 is

36:58

what had happened. You know,

37:00

we're almost 15 years now

37:03

past this. Easily. You know,

37:05

where are we at with

37:07

any of these other samples

37:10

that have been provided? Mm-hmm.

37:12

And so we'll leave on

37:15

that note. We'll come back

37:17

folks right after this. You're

37:20

listening to the Sasquodge experience.

37:22

Sean Forker, James Baker, Henry

37:24

May, Vance Arner, Matt Arner.

37:27

I'm James Panker. I just

37:29

threw myself off. We'll see

37:32

it a couple of minutes.

37:34

I knew he'd take the

37:36

man's name. That'll have her.

37:39

News team! Assemble! Bigfoot! Okay!

37:41

That's fun, you're fun! Where

37:44

are you from? Cleveland West,

37:46

I thought so, because you

37:49

said Bigfoot. If you were

37:51

from the Northwest like myself,

37:53

you would have said Sasquash.

37:56

That's the difference. That really,

37:58

you know. Ray's nose is

38:01

whether you call him Sasquatch

38:03

or Bigfoot. Do you think

38:06

he exists? Why? Because it's

38:08

more fun? Ah yes, because

38:10

it is fun. Till you

38:13

get dragged out of your

38:15

tent by the ankles and

38:18

are used as a tree

38:20

knocker, then your opinion changes.

38:22

Well, top of the evening

38:25

to you all lads and

38:27

lassies. Happy St. Patrick's Day.

38:29

I don't know why that

38:31

sounded so Canadian,

38:33

but anyway speaking

38:35

of symbolics from

38:38

CBS News Assemblyman Chris

38:40

Rogers Democrat of Santa

38:43

Rosa California authored a

38:45

legislative bill AB 666

38:48

in hopes of making

38:51

Bigfoot the state crypted

38:53

What's encrypted? Well, it's an

38:55

animal being or entity that

38:58

has not been proven to

39:00

exist, but has been reported

39:02

by eyewitnesses or other sources

39:04

of evidence. You know, thank

39:06

Lochness, monster, and abominable snowman.

39:09

Shows you the research that

39:11

this article has. The last

39:13

recorded spotting of the large

39:15

muscular hairy ape-like looking creature

39:17

in the state, according to

39:20

the BFRO, was in Humboldt

39:22

County California in September of

39:24

2024. Hikers hear chatter and

39:27

whoops of a large animal

39:29

in Founders Grove which

39:31

is 33 miles southeast

39:33

of Eureka according to the

39:36

database. There are 48 reported

39:38

sightings in Humboldt dating

39:40

back to 1957 where

39:43

three children have daytime

39:45

sightings near Eureka. Now, closer

39:47

to Los Angeles, back in

39:50

1993, a man remembers a

39:52

sighting while driving on

39:54

a lonely, dark, two-lane

39:56

road near Gorman, the BFRO

39:59

reported. Fact or fiction!

40:01

The creature does get

40:03

around. While California lists

40:06

463 sightings and Washington

40:08

State reports 724 possible

40:10

Sasquatch sightings according to

40:12

the BFRO. Beyond the

40:15

Eureka, and I'm doing

40:17

air quotes with my

40:19

fingers, motto and the

40:21

bare flag, the official

40:24

state symbols are extensive

40:26

with the California State

40:28

Library, listing over 40

40:30

state registered symbols. Denham

40:33

is the state's official

40:35

fabric. The saber-toothed cat

40:37

is the official state

40:39

fossil, and the state

40:42

rock is serpentine. This

40:44

is just to name

40:46

a few of the

40:48

lesser knowns. So, could

40:51

Bigfoot become the state's

40:53

official cryptid? It takes

40:55

41 votes in the

40:58

California State Assembly before

41:00

it comes law. When

41:02

we come back, it's

41:04

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Experience for Monday Night, St. Patrick's

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43:33

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43:35

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43:38

the work day tomorrow, so don't

43:40

drink too much. Welcome back folks.

43:42

We're having a spirited discussion tonight

43:44

about shooting Bigfoot. Did it or

43:46

didn't happen. Let's see, and also,

43:49

Vance, thank you for plugging that

43:51

event, the PA Bigfoot camping weekend.

43:53

Matt and I will be speaking,

43:55

and Jimmy will be there, so

43:57

he'll probably be speaking too, because

43:59

Baker always gets roped in, but

44:02

he never gets billed. We always

44:04

have to say that. He never

44:06

gets... But he always gets it

44:08

roped in. So... You got a

44:10

free lunch or something. I thought...

44:12

You know, somebody did make mention

44:15

of a polygraph test, but Scott

44:17

made a really good point. Scott,

44:19

our good friend, you know, our

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Patreon, and Avilisner, a polygraph test

44:23

doesn't show if you're telling the

44:25

truth or not. It just indicates

44:28

that you believe what you're saying.

44:30

Right. An interesting take on that.

44:32

Gentlemen, as we as we left,

44:34

I was just talking about our

44:36

friend Bart Catino and, you know,

44:38

my belief in Bart. Where are

44:41

you guys at with some of

44:43

the, you know, you mentioned the

44:45

Olympic Project. Guys, what do you

44:47

think? Some of our esteemed peers,

44:49

they're bought him. I

44:51

have the right to believe

44:53

what I want. Hey, this

44:55

is America. We all have

44:57

the right to believe whenever

44:59

we want. You're just not

45:02

going to let us hurt

45:04

you. You're just not buying

45:06

America. As long as it

45:08

doesn't hurt somebody else. Right.

45:10

You know, I give the

45:12

the kudos to the fact

45:14

that Dr. Meldrum participated in

45:16

the investigation along with Randall.

45:18

He engaged in this investigation

45:20

because It was that compelling

45:22

for them to do this

45:24

and to completely unearth every

45:26

bit of molecule and evidence

45:28

that they could find in

45:30

the area to try to

45:32

prove this as a real

45:34

point. And they were being

45:36

completely honest of what their

45:38

opinion was of Justin himself.

45:40

you know Randall stated yeah

45:42

you know he saw him

45:44

as a redneck and but

45:46

he didn't just he did

45:48

not just wipe that off

45:50

the page to say this

45:52

guy full of you know

45:54

BS he took him at

45:56

his word and they looked

45:58

for every bit of evidence

46:00

that they could possibly find

46:02

and of course you know

46:04

it ended up that none

46:06

of them discovered anything or

46:08

uncovered anything that was attributed

46:10

to yeah this could have

46:12

possibly have happened but it

46:14

doesn't seem that Meldrum has

46:16

been out there talking about

46:18

this. He's not, go ahead

46:20

James. It just seemed to

46:22

me like he pulled some

46:24

favors to help the guy

46:26

out in the Olympics project

46:28

and he pulled some favors

46:30

because he knew people in

46:32

that area. It'd be as

46:34

if if me and Sean

46:36

saw some in Pennsylvania and

46:38

Meldrum knew a guy and

46:40

we were like that with

46:42

him. Yeah, but I think

46:44

Meldrum has been there. Right,

46:46

but if it didn't, it

46:48

didn't seem like, I remember

46:50

at OBC. there was a

46:52

situation where people brought cast

46:54

to multiple groups, I want

46:56

groups, I'm not pointing somebody

46:58

specific, multiple groups brought cast

47:00

to Meldrum and he looked

47:02

him over and he goes,

47:04

these are really nice, look

47:06

at some of these high

47:08

points, but he never said

47:10

this must be a Bigfoot.

47:12

He just pointed out evidence

47:14

that pointed that way, but

47:16

then when they left the

47:18

table, It was like, he

47:20

completely believes my sightings and

47:22

blah blah blah. I'm like,

47:24

back a notch, what he

47:26

said was, what you had

47:28

had promise. You know, there's

47:30

a difference between first base

47:32

and coming home, okay? You

47:34

know, all right. Henry, did

47:36

you want to add to

47:38

that? Because it sounds like

47:40

you were agreeing with Baker

47:42

there a little bit. No,

47:45

I'm yeah, I was basically

47:47

agreeing with James Baker just

47:50

because just because Meldrum may

47:52

may give you a little

47:54

bit of kind of encouragement

47:56

Yeah, encouragement doesn't me believe

47:58

you. Right, right. It's like

48:01

saying strippers love you. Well,

48:03

I don't know. Well, I

48:05

don't know. Well, I don't

48:07

know. I appreciate it. I

48:09

had to go there. So,

48:12

so not to, this was

48:14

like the perfect segue, you're

48:16

talking about strippers. So, yeah.

48:18

I know so we have

48:20

oh this shows are getting

48:23

interesting it is not not

48:25

not respect though but but

48:27

we have Justin who who

48:29

came out what did he

48:31

get out of him doing

48:34

this out of him you

48:36

know recounting his story with

48:38

you know with having all

48:40

these people come in he

48:42

really I mean it really

48:45

kind of hurt his his

48:47

life, you know, quite right,

48:49

as he was under a

48:51

microscope. But the one thing

48:53

is, is he was never

48:56

after money. You know, I

48:58

mean, you know, he wasn't

49:00

going around, you know, doing

49:02

anything like, and of course,

49:04

you know, I'm thinking of

49:07

right around that same time

49:09

too, was Rick Dyer, you

49:11

know, and his hoaxes where,

49:13

hey, I shot a Bigfoot,

49:15

you know, and it was

49:18

eating ribs, You know, right,

49:20

that was me all along.

49:22

You know, here's a guy

49:24

who believes, you know, he

49:26

believes that what, you know,

49:29

what had happened that day,

49:31

even if it put him

49:33

into, you know, possibly some

49:35

legal issues, but he stood

49:37

by that story. And, you

49:40

know, again, you have other

49:42

people that, that will go

49:44

out there and trying to

49:46

monetize that he didn't, right

49:48

that at all. Right. No,

49:51

I agree with you mad

49:53

because he made that very

49:55

clear in the documentary that

49:57

he did with Eli Watson.

49:59

He said, I didn't get

50:02

into this to make money

50:04

off of it. or become

50:06

wealthy, I didn't. I'm just

50:08

sharing an experience that I

50:10

had. Okay, I'm good with

50:13

that. But then I look

50:15

at Henry's perspective of all

50:17

of this and I'm like,

50:19

yeah, I can agree with

50:21

that too. And so I'm

50:24

still completely divided on what

50:26

has happened here. I just

50:28

can't make. sense of either

50:30

side because I agree with

50:32

what Henry has to say

50:35

and I agree with what

50:37

I brought forth as and

50:39

there's a couple of issues

50:41

here that don't make sense

50:43

to me but then when

50:46

he says it well I

50:48

didn't do this to make

50:50

money. I'm just kind of

50:52

left speechless on that whole

50:55

point but that's what makes

50:57

this whole subject interesting. Yeah,

51:00

go ahead guys. I and I

51:02

was gonna say like I said

51:04

he put he put all this

51:07

out You know, he knows now

51:09

if he's gonna try to draw

51:11

a tag You know, you know,

51:13

he's gonna have a California fishing

51:16

game all over him, you know,

51:18

probably from the next 20 years

51:20

Right to make sure that that

51:22

everything's on on top It's probably

51:24

not going to be able to

51:27

shoot out a, you know, out

51:29

the car window anymore, but probably

51:31

not the best thing to do.

51:33

But again, you know, like I

51:36

said, this impacted his life detrimentally.

51:38

You know, coming out, even again,

51:40

when it initially hit the internet,

51:42

it was an unidentified person. It

51:44

wasn't anything. They didn't initially say

51:47

his name, and then he came

51:49

up. Then and said okay, this

51:51

is you know, this is Justin

51:53

he's the one that did this

51:56

and you know and it went

51:58

from there. Well even his friend

52:00

kind of backed away with it

52:02

as quickly as possible. Their stories

52:05

did sync up but then again

52:07

like I said if the conversation

52:09

was happening at a table where

52:11

they said you know this is

52:13

what you say this is I

52:16

say blah blah blah but you

52:18

know I just there's a lot

52:20

to the story that made sense

52:22

from a perspective of like he

52:25

was a hunter and you knew

52:27

that because there were certain parts

52:29

of the conversation that made sense

52:31

like hey I hit a body

52:34

and when I came back three

52:36

weeks after a blizzard there was

52:38

nothing left which could have happened

52:40

because when it's cold animals will

52:42

find warm food you know like

52:45

so I mean it's not it's

52:47

not unrealistic on what he said

52:49

it's just that some of the

52:51

and some of the things like

52:54

yes maybe he did kill two

52:56

bears and but i don't know

52:58

if i believe that as much

53:00

because then why would he make

53:03

a point of a story i'd

53:05

have just hit him in the

53:07

woods and hope nobody noticed well

53:09

maybe it was right did he

53:11

have any priors for poaching or

53:14

any other past experience or running

53:16

with rangers yeah we don't know

53:18

that right and that could be

53:20

the impetus for him to want

53:23

to create a cover story or

53:25

something interesting to get people to

53:27

not believe him because perhaps he

53:29

was involved in something he shouldn't

53:31

have been doing and he's done

53:34

it in the past. That's just

53:36

a theory. There's no proof of

53:38

that. I'm not saying that's what

53:40

happened at all, just a set

53:43

of facts which could, a set

53:45

of opinions that could meet the

53:47

fact. So if I plan on

53:49

killing people on a bike trail,

53:52

I should make them like going

53:54

to kill people on a bike

53:56

trail. Stop it. Okay. Yeah, and

53:58

now I'm accomplice and going to

54:00

jail. I'll see you in prison

54:03

tomorrow. Good. So look at this,

54:05

look at this like it was

54:07

gonna be presented in court. So

54:09

we don't have a body. Right.

54:12

We have no evidence that there

54:14

that there was a body to

54:16

begin with. Just a steak that

54:18

turned out a bear steak. We

54:21

have, and again, you know, even

54:23

at that point, grab a hair,

54:25

grab, grab the, a fair, you

54:27

know, you know, But you have

54:29

nothing there. You have a, you

54:32

know, you have a statement, stating

54:34

that the person was doing, you

54:36

know, an illegal activity. You have

54:38

the friend who does back up

54:41

the story, but you know, he

54:43

hasn't gone on, as far as

54:45

I know, he hasn't done the

54:47

probably enough. And he won't go

54:50

on the record with it either.

54:52

Correct. Right. Correct. So if you're

54:54

if you're looking at this and

54:56

James brings up a great point,

54:58

if we're not talking about a

55:01

big phone, we're talking about, hey,

55:03

he, he saw a hiker in

55:05

the woods and he thought it

55:07

was a bear and he decided

55:10

to pop a shot off and,

55:12

oh my God, the hiker died.

55:14

If we can't find a body.

55:16

And there's no evidence that there

55:19

was harm that day. And you

55:21

know, and then lastly, of course,

55:23

you know, if it's a hike

55:25

or you're gonna, you know, the

55:27

person will be reported missing. Okay,

55:30

that might be one thing. But

55:32

just say that nobody's reported missing,

55:34

you know, what do you have

55:36

at that point? A jury's gonna

55:39

sit there and say, I don't

55:41

know, you know, I don't think

55:43

this guy did it. Well, not

55:45

even it could even press charges

55:47

without a body. No, we've done

55:50

that before we've done that before

55:52

somebody fed a body to the

55:54

pigs So well you had some

55:56

sort of circumstantial evidence. Oh, we

55:59

did right With this there's nothing

56:01

besides that steak right and right

56:03

with the steak that has been

56:05

tested as bare right you know you

56:07

yeah would you get a DA to be

56:10

able to say yeah you know what let's

56:12

charge him for murder he had a bear

56:14

steak you could you could get a grand

56:16

jury to convict on a hand sandwich

56:18

trust me and well yeah that's a

56:20

good point bake you know that's a

56:23

good point some of these counties it's

56:25

just you and the judge and they

56:27

both know each other each other If

56:29

you ever heard of the Dolly

56:31

Parton song, get out of

56:34

Georgia. He watches a lot

56:36

of TV folks. He's well

56:38

read. You know, I had

56:40

the thought too while watching

56:43

the documentary. If it

56:45

was a juvenile that

56:47

they shot or that he

56:49

shot, why didn't he bag

56:51

it? Because he made

56:53

one simple point. There was

56:56

a game warden at the

56:58

end of the trail that

57:00

had a dog. So if he

57:03

were to have bagged the

57:05

juvenile and put it in

57:07

the back of the truck

57:09

and the dog detected it,

57:12

I think all things

57:14

would have been off the

57:16

tangent right there. I think

57:18

everything would have come loose.

57:20

and maybe that's why he

57:22

panicked and left it there

57:24

under a bush but I

57:27

think I would have taken

57:29

the chance and and wrapped it

57:31

up and put it in the

57:33

truck and said hey yeah we

57:36

didn't get anything have a great

57:38

day we're out of here maybe

57:40

at least have that evidence with

57:42

you I don't know maybe he

57:45

didn't have good past experiences with

57:47

The Rangers. No, that's

57:49

very possible. That's very

57:52

possible. Oh, you know.

57:54

Oh, go ahead James.

57:56

Well, if you watch the movie,

57:58

the one thing he points out

58:00

is he didn't take any evidence

58:02

with him because he was worried

58:05

that he that there were he

58:07

kept saying about special forces and

58:09

people that were trained to screw

58:11

him over and that he was

58:13

a little paranoid when it came

58:16

by ops right but the other

58:18

reason was is he said something

58:20

that clicks on my head now

58:22

well probably because he got caught

58:24

doing stuff before Whatever. I can't

58:27

say, hey, whatever, you know, stuff

58:29

on the internet stays on the

58:31

internet, whatever. Okay, but here's the

58:33

thing. He said it's a male

58:35

and two juveniles. They were talking

58:38

to Mike's themselves. He killed two

58:40

out of three. So the question

58:42

is, is when he killed them

58:44

and kind of buried their bodies

58:46

in 15 minutes, I'm sorry I'm

58:49

ruining the plot. But the thing

58:51

is, is you have a sauce

58:53

watch that supposedly still exists. And

58:55

then where's mom? So how do

58:57

you know that whatever it was

59:00

that survived in that area didn't

59:02

drag those bodies off to somewhere

59:04

else? Very true. Right. So no,

59:06

very true. I understand why he

59:08

didn't take as much evidence, even

59:11

though I would have said screw

59:13

it. He even mentions I should

59:15

have took pictures. I could have

59:17

done all these things. But when

59:19

I got home, this popped into

59:22

my brain and the moment I

59:24

was just freaking out and digging

59:26

all. Well, listen, we all had

59:28

that moment. Yeah, I would have

59:30

been kind of freaked out too

59:33

and probably have not thought of

59:35

those things either. Right. That's legitimate.

59:37

I want to add one last

59:39

point, well, actually two last points,

59:41

because I know we're running close

59:44

to the time, but the one

59:46

is if he fired that shot

59:48

inside that Ford Bronco, for one

59:50

thing, when powder explodes. you're going

59:52

to have not just the the

59:55

spent black powder all over the

59:57

place but you're also going to

59:59

have that odor inside that inside

1:00:01

the cabinet of that that for

1:00:03

it's going to smell like somebody

1:00:06

fired a shot, which that's going

1:00:08

to raise the eyebrows of the

1:00:10

game officer down at the bottom

1:00:12

of the mountain, because he's going

1:00:14

to be like, okay, who is

1:00:17

in here shooting from in this,

1:00:19

because he would be able to

1:00:21

smell that. The other thing too,

1:00:23

and just a side dot here,

1:00:25

we were talking about the, if

1:00:28

they had a dog down there

1:00:30

at the bottom of the mountain.

1:00:32

they had a yeti cool yeah

1:00:34

yeah yeah and you know what

1:00:37

you could you could put whatever

1:00:39

you went in there and in

1:00:41

a grizzly bear can't even sniff

1:00:43

it so hopefully we can get

1:00:45

yeti as a as a new

1:00:48

sponsor wow yeah and that's the

1:00:50

part that i did miss Matt

1:00:52

now what i would say His

1:00:54

specific words was, he got out

1:00:56

of the Ford Bronco and took

1:00:59

aim at this bean and fired

1:01:01

the shot, even though he was

1:01:03

doing the bow and arrow insinuation.

1:01:05

He said he did get out

1:01:07

of the vehicle and took the

1:01:10

shot. But you're right about the

1:01:12

Yeti. I never gave that a

1:01:14

consideration. Yeah, you could put something

1:01:16

in there and... I don't think

1:01:18

anything would be able to pick

1:01:21

up a cent from that. That's

1:01:23

a good point. We do firearms

1:01:25

training for with the vehicles and

1:01:27

even if you're outside the vehicle

1:01:29

and you take a shot and

1:01:32

the inside the inside still still

1:01:34

has that odor. I thought you

1:01:36

were going to have firearm training

1:01:38

in accidents when they got cooler.

1:01:40

Folks? Yeah, there's nothing finer than

1:01:43

the smell of gunpowder. Let me

1:01:45

tell you. And that'll be the

1:01:47

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